-- Weightlifting & Nutrition Thread -- v9.0 Optimized

[Ryad]

wait a second arent you the one that was complaining about love handels??? haha...

im outi

Roberth

lol, no. I was only trying to learn about losing weight and where it is lost first/last. Just got Curious, as I am planning on getting big, and packing some fat is almost inevitable if you want to get big fast, hopefully not too much...

[HeaT]

lol, no. I was only trying to learn about losing weight and where it is lost first/last. Just got Curious, as I am planning on getting big, and packing some fat is almost inevitable if you want to get big fast, hopefully not too much...

oh ok, my bad HAHAHA...

im outi

Roberth

[Soldier Zero]

I'm finding it really difficult to get in 3000+ good calories a day. Any tips? I eat fruit and yogurt and such, but I can't break over 3000 unless I really push my eating. I'm good on protein intake though, so no worries there.

Oh yah, I'm a hardgainer on a bulking cycle, that's why all the calories haha.

I've also started indoor rockclimbing to augment my lifting. What do you guys think of this activity? Beneficial? Detrimental?

Can you post what a typical day is like? The more specific, the better the advice that can be given.

[fernando's nuts]

When bulking your supposed to cut out all types of cardio that would be detrimental to your growth.
So Id lift/do more compound type lifting an stop rock climbing. If anything do 5-10 min of LIGHT cardio.

You could try a weight gainer in the morning, those easily pack anywhere from 1000-1100 calories alone and you could add bananas or pb to them. That way you can supplement the rest of your calories and macros throught the day easier.

[Ryad]

When bulking your supposed to cut out all types of cardio that would be detrimental to your growth.
So Id lift/do more compound type lifting an stop rock climbing. If anything do 5-10 min of LIGHT cardio.

You could try a weight gainer in the morning, those easily pack anywhere from 1000-1100 calories alone and you could add bananas or pb to them. That way you can supplement the rest of your calories and macros throught the day easier.

Man, the weight gainer I have packs 1100 in 4 scoops. I just take 3. I am worried that my body simply cant digest and use that much calories in one sitting, so it will just go to waste/fat. What do you think about that? and why morning specifically? Is it because you are very low in energy reserves from sleep?

[Soldier Zero]

Man, the weight gainer I have packs 1100 in 4 scoops. I just take 3. I am worried that my body simply cant digest and use that much calories in one sitting, so it will just go to waste/fat. What do you think about that? and why morning specifically? Is it because you are very low in energy reserves from sleep?

You probably will pack on fat with a weight gainer.

[Mr.Noodle]

I got a problem when I run. When I run for 1-2 minutes, my ankles, feet, and knees start to hurt. The ankles and feet hurt the most while the knees hurt a little. It pisses me off because I know I can run longer. I stock shelves for my job and I'm constantly walking or standing 8 hours a day(I get 1 hour break though) and I'm wondering if that's a factor.

I'm 5"10, 155-158 lbs. I run 3-4 times a week on cement.

[SEbastard]

I'm finding it really difficult to get in 3000+ good calories a day. Any tips? I eat fruit and yogurt and such, but I can't break over 3000 unless I really push my eating. I'm good on protein intake though, so no worries there.

Oh yah, I'm a hardgainer on a bulking cycle, that's why all the calories haha.

I've also started indoor rockclimbing to augment my lifting. What do you guys think of this activity? Beneficial? Detrimental?

Fats are your friend.

Add peanut butter, almond butter, sunflower seed butter (trader joes has an AWESOME one), and the like to everything.

Grind up a cup of oats, some protein powder, and a coupld tbsp of peanut butter, and thin it out with water as much as you need to get it down, and it will be over 1,000 calories. Do that once a day, you shouldn't have trouble getting in another 2,000 calories with "regular" meals.

Also, if you have sandwiches, add in some avocado, as they add some easy extra calories, healthy fats, and taste delicious.

Also, eat 3 whole eggs, and 3 egg whites for breakfast every day. Has been some recent studies showing the cholesterol in them helps add on lean mass.

[denjin]

I was telling my friends about some pain that was coming from running.

A good friend of mine said we should try running on sand at the beach.

Hands down, immediately I felt better.

The only downside is that I like to just leave the house and boom, go straight into running.

[SEbastard]

I got a problem when I run. When I run for 1-2 minutes, my ankles, feet, and knees start to hurt. The ankles and feet hurt the most while the knees hurt a little. It pisses me off because I know I can run longer. I stock shelves for my job and I'm constantly walking or standing 8 hours a day(I get 1 hour break though) and I'm wondering if that's a factor.

I'm 5"10, 155-158 lbs. I run 3-4 times a week on cement.

Why run if it causes you pain? Why not use an eliptical, or better yet, do some HIIT on a heavy bag.

[ejdge]

I got a problem when I run. When I run for 1-2 minutes, my ankles, feet, and knees start to hurt. The ankles and feet hurt the most while the knees hurt a little. It pisses me off because I know I can run longer. I stock shelves for my job and I'm constantly walking or standing 8 hours a day(I get 1 hour break though) and I'm wondering if that's a factor.

I'm 5"10, 155-158 lbs. I run 3-4 times a week on cement.

Avoid running on cement/concrete as much as possible! That shit kills your knees. Find a nearby track and I guarantee you your pain will go away. If you HAVE to run on a hard surface, get a good pair of running shoes. You'll only cheat your body in the future if you don't invest in some.

I box regularly and run 5 days a week. I used to have similar problems with sore knees and shin splints. After I bought myself a pair of Mizunos (sp?) and ran on a track, I haven't had the problem since.

[Mr.Noodle]

Unfortunately the closest track is 20-30 min walk from my house. I guess I gotta make that sacrifice. I currently own a pair of Nike Air Equalon.

I do some boxing myself. I'll ask you some stuff through PM.

[Green]

i didnt think they would be the same, just thought my squats would be more than my deads.
Deadlift > squats > bench

[denjin]

Deadlift > squats > bench

That's interesting, Green.



Saw some things on TV. Apparently, dried prawns are a good snack 'cause it's loaded with proteins?

Something's wrong with eating seafood all the time right? (Aside from the money.)

I was thinking, what about eating peanut butter all the time?

(Bread expires too fast, so the plan is peanut buttter on plain crackers.)

[SEbastard]

That's interesting, Green.



Saw some things on TV. Apparently, dried prawns are a good snack 'cause it's loaded with proteins?

Something's wrong with eating seafood all the time right? (Aside from the money.)

I was thinking, what about eating peanut butter all the time?

(Bread expires too fast, so the plan is peanut buttter on plain crackers.)

I pick up miltons multigrain from trader joes, if you keep it in the fridge, it can last at least 2.5 weeks............not long enough? Throw it in the freezer, will last a while, keeps it's texture pretty well.

Not sure about dried prawns. Only downside with seafood is the mercury level in them, just find a site that lists the levels, and you should be fine. Other downside is shrimp are high in cholesterol...........food cholesterol levels effect on cholesterol in your body is still being debated.

[denjin]

I pick up miltons multigrain from trader joes, if you keep it in the fridge, it can last at least 2.5 weeks............not long enough? Throw it in the freezer, will last a while, keeps it's texture pretty well.

Not sure about dried prawns. Only downside with seafood is the mercury level in them, just find a site that lists the levels, and you should be fine. Other downside is shrimp are high in cholesterol...........food cholesterol levels effect on cholesterol in your body is still being debated.

I heard about the cholesterol one. Mercury? Shit, I was hoping that was tuna only.

Any idea on the peanut butter?

[SEbastard]

I heard about the cholesterol one. Mercury? Shit, I was hoping that was tuna only.

Any idea on the peanut butter?

As long as you have no peanut allergies, and it fits your daily calorie macros, you should be fine.

Just make sure it's "natural" peanut butter, other stuff, jiffy, etc, has trans fats in them to keep them solid. Any that the oil separates in the jar, is usually natural.

Feel free to sub in other nut butters though to change things up. Almond, sunflower seed, etc, all healthy fats, and good sources of calories.

[Rhio2k]

Try Smart Balance Omega Peanut Butter...with omega-3's from flax oil, no trans-fats, and no messy super-separated peanut oil.

[Sexperienced.]

does the purity of the omega3 make a difference? i have access to purest omega3 supplement on the market which is fucking expensive and prescription only. will i be better off getting cheap GNC or healthfood type fish oils?

[Biggzy]

Lost 6 lbs in the past few weeks. I'm happy even though I was trying to bulk for a while then just got lazy with the number of meals and calories.

I'm down to 188lbs. I'm assuming its because I've been walking after all of my workouts along with playing hockey one day a week. I'm beginning to think its better to be lean than massive, but I'm not sure yet lol.

[wepeel]

Yahoo has consistently been putting up crappy "Featured" columns on its main site, and one of them was related to nutrition. It was a video link to abcnews talking about certain "healthy" foods being rich in fat. At first I thought they were gonna talk about certain plants or whatnot, but this dude immediately starts off on Diet Soda.

Jesus...is America that behind on common sense? Or are the citizens just in denial of the stupidity of their daily intake? Who the heck still falls for the "Diet Soda" label nowadays? How hard is it to just switch to water? Sorry but when I see "news reports" like this I can't help but shake my head...

[Daddyneptune]

Does anyone else work 3rd shift and finds it a little difficult to get in the gym?

[maxx]

if your trying to bulk up and eat alot does it matter u have to shit like right after u eat?

[Ryad]

if your trying to bulk up and eat alot does it matter u have to shit like right after u eat?

what? if you are shitting right after you just ate, you are not shitting what you just ate, you are shitting something you ate hours ago... just go when you gotta go... no changing that

[maxx]

what? if you are shitting right after you just ate, you are not shitting what you just ate, you are shitting something you ate hours ago... just go when you gotta go... no changing that

nah its not like immediatly after i eat but its close to it..and its always after i just eaten not before then. so i always semi feel hungry again.

[Ryad]

nah its not like immediatly after i eat but its close to it..and its always after i just eaten not before then. so i always semi feel hungry again.

Oh. Yeah, I think thats normal. My guess as to what is happening is that when you are eating you are filling up your stomach, intestines etc... and you are pushing what you ate previously down, hence feeling the need to shit. Thats what I think is happening. Happens to me too. You are definately not shitting what you just ate, it takes about 12-24hrs normally for food to pass through the body. The only difference is I dont actually feel hungry unless I miss a meal (3hrs after a meal would be a miss). I don't think you can possibly control that. All I would say, if you are really trying to gain mass, and you get hungry, just eat. Maybe you digest a lot faster and use up more energy a lot faster than normal people.

[maxx]

Oh. Yeah, I think thats normal. My guess as to what is happening is that when you are eating you are filling up your stomach, intestines etc... and you are pushing what you ate previously down, hence feeling the need to shit. Thats what I think is happening. Happens to me too. You are definately not shitting what you just ate, it takes about 12-24hrs normally for food to pass through the body. The only difference is I dont actually feel hungry unless I miss a meal (3hrs after a meal would be a miss). I don't think you can possibly control that. All I would say, if you are really trying to gain mass, and you get hungry, just eat. Maybe you digest a lot faster and use up more energy a lot faster than normal people.

aiight coo coo thanks mang. im on a mission to bulk up a lil before school starts in september. starting next week imma be at the gym 2-3 times a week, have to give my body a rest this week cuz its still recovering from a bboy jam i was at. plus i do martial arts n stuff.

[Ryad]

aiight coo coo thanks mang. im on a mission to bulk up a lil before school starts in september. starting next week imma be at the gym 2-3 times a week, have to give my body a rest this week cuz its still recovering from a bboy jam i was at. plus i do martial arts n stuff.

No prob. Yeah, I read about you and martial arts in the mma thread. To be honest, you would bulk up a lot faster if you just concentrated on it and cut out the cardio, and worked out at least 4 times a week, but thats probably a sacrifice you aren't willing to make.

[maxx]

No prob. Yeah, I read about you and martial arts in the mma thread. To be honest, you would bulk up a lot faster if you just concentrated on it and cut out the cardio, and worked out at least 4 times a week, but thats probably a sacrifice you aren't willing to make.

yeah i know the tkd/dance has really made it hard for me to gain weight. i'm constantly burning off anything i eat so i gotta just outeat my workout in essence.

[Ryad]

yeah i know the tkd/dance has really made it hard for me to gain weight. i'm constantly burning off anything i eat so i gotta just outeat my workout in essence.

Its more than just outeating. Your body usually enters one of two states. Anabolic and Catabolic. Anabolic is associated with building mass and catabolic with the opposite. When you are doing both things, your body is being counter-productive. Concentrating on keeping you body in the anabolic state most of the time is crucial to bulking up.

[denjin]

Its more than just outeating. Your body usually enters one of two states. Anabolic and Catabolic. Anabolic is associated with building mass and catabolic with the opposite. When you are doing both things, your body is being counter-productive. Concentrating on keeping you body in the anabolic state most of the time is crucial to bulking up.

Please elaborate.

[maxx]

Its more than just outeating. Your body usually enters one of two states. Anabolic and Catabolic. Anabolic is associated with building mass and catabolic with the opposite. When you are doing both things, your body is being counter-productive. Concentrating on keeping you body in the anabolic state most of the time is crucial to bulking up.

uhhh u didnt explain how to do that. if i dont know how to..none of wat u said matters.

[Soldier Zero]

Part 1
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=459474&cr=dietAndNutrition
Part 2
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=465979&cr=dietAndNutrition

Talks about the anabolic/catabolic effects on body from weight training and how to minimize the negative aspects.

maxx, basically you have to eat a lot more calories to supply your body with energy from all your activities. If you're on the skinny side, definitely take in more carbs, especially on the days you lift.

[maxx]

Part 1
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=459474&cr=dietAndNutrition
Part 2
http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=465979&cr=dietAndNutrition

Talks about the anabolic/catabolic effects on body from weight training and how to minimize the negative aspects.

maxx, basically you have to eat a lot more calories to supply your body with energy from all your activities. If you're on the skinny side, definitely take in more carbs, especially on the days you lift.

this is what i currently look like

http://a826.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/51/l_bd3c486fa284007d54c72d4441852851.jpg

[Soldier Zero]

this is what i currently look like

http://a826.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/51/l_bd3c486fa284007d54c72d4441852851.jpg

If you lift 3 times a week, I say a diet consisting of high protein and healthy fats with moderate carb intake should be good. This is assuming you're gonna bulk and don't mind gaining some fat. If you want to keep it minimal, eat moderate carbs on days you lift and low carbs on days you don't. Try getting the extra carbs mostly from beans, fruits, and vegetables. Whole grain foods for your post-workout meal are good.

[Bullet Tooth]

I need some help guys. Lately when I lift, the underside of my left forearm really hurts, but it's only when I curl. Anybody know what the problem could be? I tried to let it heal for sometime but it just comes back.

[Ryad]

I need some help guys. Lately when I lift, the underside of my left forearm really hurts, but it's only when I curl. Anybody know what the problem could be? I tried to let it heal for sometime but it just comes back.

Try switching to dumbell curls if you have been doing barbell curls. I get that kinda pain from barbell curls, but I work through it.

Eat fava beans people. High in protein, high in fibre and tastes awesome if you know how to cook it.

[uknowuwishuwereme]

Either I was sleeping on the wrong side of the bed today or I just started working on my forearms. When I woke up today, my wrist felt super cramp. I hope this is normal.

[Ryad]

I need some help guys. Lately when I lift, the underside of my left forearm really hurts, but it's only when I curl. Anybody know what the problem could be? I tried to let it heal for sometime but it just comes back.

Wait.... just one arm? Is one of your arms stronger than the other?

[Bullet Tooth]

Yeah it's just one arm. No my arms are equally strong. It happens when I put any kind of pressure either curling or pushing down. I did some curls yesterday and it hurts right now.

[maxx]

If you lift 3 times a week, I say a diet consisting of high protein and healthy fats with moderate carb intake should be good. This is assuming you're gonna bulk and don't mind gaining some fat. If you want to keep it minimal, eat moderate carbs on days you lift and low carbs on days you don't. Try getting the extra carbs mostly from beans, fruits, and vegetables. Whole grain foods for your post-workout meal are good.

i dont mind gaining some fat as long as i can keep my abs lol.

[tech master]

i dont mind gaining some fat as long as i can keep my abs lol.

my friend, that is hard to do while bulking!

[Ryad]

Yeah it's just one arm. No my arms are equally strong. It happens when I put any kind of pressure either curling or pushing down. I did some curls yesterday and it hurts right now.

Damn, the fact that it happens on one arm only is troubling. I don't know what to tell you about that. Does it feel like a sharp pain, soreness or burning

i dont mind gaining some fat as long as i can keep my abs lol.

lol, the abs are the first to go..., for me at least

[Bullet Tooth]

Sharp pain. It only hurts at my first curl. Then it hurts again when I release my grip on the bar.

[Ryad]

Sharp pain. It only hurts at my first curl. Then it hurts again when I release my grip on the bar.

Damn. You gotta make sure you aren't fucking up your elbow joint. If you are sure it is actually muscle and not bone/ligament then it won't be as serious, but I would say go see a physiotherapist if it persists. Try lighter weights and use dumbells if you are willing to continue.

[Soldier Zero]

I need some help guys. Lately when I lift, the underside of my left forearm really hurts, but it's only when I curl. Anybody know what the problem could be? I tried to let it heal for sometime but it just comes back.

A few questions might offer some solutions. How much time did you give it to heal? What are you using to curl, dumbbells, barbell, EZ curl bar, or something else? Are you confident that your technique is good?

[tech master]

joint support supplements has solved a bunch of sharp aches and pains i've had from working out. might want to try that too. i use universal's animal flex

[Figcoinc]

Hey everyone I haven't posted for a bit, but my last diet venture went to shit. Actually it was going pretty good until I got extremely sick. I had my gallbladder removed because of it. Which is a good thing because it has been hurting me for years. Though, I had to stop exercising (doctors orders) so I can heall up externally, and internally. I just been cleared, but gained all my weight back. :sad:

I turn 30 this Nov 4th, and want to lose weight badly. It is beyond a need now. It is now time to change my life. I think it will help myself physically, mentally, and spiritually as well. Now that my first time got fucked up I need to get back into it.

I figure I will do running. I usually go into work at 9. I can wake up at 6:30 and run around my block. It is about a mile and a half long run. Not too huge, but good enough for me (out of shape as I am) to get a good sweat going. I figured do this every Mon/Wed/Fri. Then do some weights in between. I do not want to burn myself out so please tell me if I am over doing it.

My goal is to be at 200 pounds (currently 235) by Nov 4th. Is that possible without hurting myself, or making life so hard that it may fuck me up in other things (like school). I seriously just need a plan.

I also need supplement help. How are things like hydroxcut? I never took them when I was a swimmer. Of course I got a multi-vitamin to help me out. I don't drink soda (maybe 1 or 2 a week...maybe). Thanks for the advice everyone ahead of time!

[Doc Holliday]

Deadlift > squats > bench

Real talk. Best lift evah.


Does anyone else work 3rd shift and finds it a little difficult to get in the gym?

I do. 6pm to 6am. I get into the gym in the early afternoon. And I've got school on one of those days.

[Soldier Zero]

I figure I will do running. I usually go into work at 9. I can wake up at 6:30 and run around my block. It is about a mile and a half long run. Not too huge, but good enough for me (out of shape as I am) to get a good sweat going. I figured do this every Mon/Wed/Fri. Then do some weights in between. I do not want to burn myself out so please tell me if I am over doing it.

My goal is to be at 200 pounds (currently 235) by Nov 4th. Is that possible without hurting myself, or making life so hard that it may fuck me up in other things (like school). I seriously just need a plan.

I also need supplement help. How are things like hydroxcut? I never took them when I was a swimmer. Of course I got a multi-vitamin to help me out. I don't drink soda (maybe 1 or 2 a week...maybe). Thanks for the advice everyone ahead of time!

Lifting will be a bigger contributer to weight loss than running will and it's definitely possibly to lose the weight by November 4th.

I don't think you need hydroxycut unless you're trying to get very lean. A multi-vitamin is good. Whey powder post-workout would be helpful. The best thing to be taking is fish oil.

You mentioned school which really is a pain to schedule around. I tried 2 different things. First was fitting half of my workout into the weekend. I did this because I didn't have to worry about getting to class. So either it would be exercise Th-Sun or Sat-Tues. The 2nd thing I did was trying to lift in the weekdays which was tough. I had to go to the gym late nights or mid-afternoon. I had to choose the days that were my least busiest which went well, but my schedule was more packed (cause of school work).

Check out pages 210 & 211 of this thread, there's a lot of info you can check out.

[Figcoinc]

Lifting will be a bigger contributer to weight loss than running will and it's definitely possibly to lose the weight by November 4th.

I don't think you need hydroxycut unless you're trying to get very lean. A multi-vitamin is good. Whey powder post-workout would be helpful. The best thing to be taking is fish oil.

You mentioned school which really is a pain to schedule around. I tried 2 different things. First was fitting half of my workout into the weekend. I did this because I didn't have to worry about getting to class. So either it would be exercise Th-Sun or Sat-Tues. The 2nd thing I did was trying to lift in the weekdays which was tough. I had to go to the gym late nights or mid-afternoon. I had to choose the days that were my least busiest which went well, but my schedule was more packed (cause of school work).

Check out pages 210 & 211 of this thread, there's a lot of info you can check out.

I will check out those pages. :tup: Time is a HUGE factor for me. I am in a masters program and work 40+ hours a week. Fun stuff I know. :rofl: So it hurts the workout time seriously. I will check those pages as well to see what can help.

[Bullet Tooth]

A few questions might offer some solutions. How much time did you give it to heal? What are you using to curl, dumbbells, barbell, EZ curl bar, or something else? Are you confident that your technique is good?

I gave it about two weeks to heal. I just completely avoided doing anything with my arms. But as soon as I started back up it returned.

I'm pretty sure I'm not doing anything wrong. I took weights in high school and lift with a friend who lifts regularly.

[VG Emblem]

Need some quick advice:

Let's say I'm around 180-185 pounds (5'9" or so height) and decently muscled with about 10% bodyfat. I don't have a gut but I don't have abs either (only a feint outline is visible). At the moment I'm basically trying to become leaner but not lighter, as in, I want to add muscle and shed some fat. I think around 10-15 pounds of fat loss and 10-15 pounds of muscle gain will put me right where I want to be.

I like the weight I'm at for power, considering that I train Muay Thai. However, I could much better utilize my weight by becoming more powerful and lean. I also lift somewhat, but need to seriously get into it (need a goddamn gym membership...soon).

Enough story, my question is just:

Would Muscle Milk (http://www.amazon.com/Muscle-Milk-Cookies-Cream-4-96/dp/B0011V4PWQ/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_2) or Cytogainer (http://www.amazon.com/CytoSport-CytoGainer-Maximizer-Protein-96-Ounce/dp/B000G766SC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1216887545&sr=1-4) be more beneficial towards achieving my goal? I already use Muscle Milk (usually right before bed), and it's done me some good, but I think that the gainer would help to add the muscle I need (which would burn fat). However, I don't want to gain fat, at all. Which one?

[CrotchMonkey]

I'm 5'9" and about 145-150 pounds. I recently lost 10 pounds through dieting (1700 calories fats/protein) and boxing yet I'm still fat. A lot of people I talk to say that my weight is perfect for my height and that it is not fat at all. In fact most people I talk to who are in that weight range are quite lean.

So why am I still fat? What should I do? Lose more weight? I can't handle this diet anymore so I'm taking a break but fuck man I love beer lol.

[Rooks4]

I'm in a situation where it's hard for me to get to the gym consistently.. I was going really early in the morning for awhile, but havnt done it do to work.. I'm working over 40+ a week and it's not physically draining but mentally I'm drained, so it's hard to go after work too :/. When I was going, it was 90/10 cardio to weight training.., I don't really care about gaining mass, but I really want to lose my beer belly and gain some definition...

I started by fixing my diet - I eat a lot of fresh fruit and veggies, but I only eat twice a day,.. No breakfast, lunch at 11ish (normally not very healthy) and then dinner around 7 when I get home from work... I've lost around 8lbs and am now 204 at 6'.

It's hard for me to lay off the boos but I've drastically cut back, only drink water in the day, and now take a multi.

Can pushups/situps supplement gym work if I do them nightly? Or is there really just no substitute? (I also have sharp back pain/spasms when doing situps... I blame weak back muscles/belly... But I have no basis for that.., should I be concerned or is it normal when you are out of shape?)

I guess I'm just looking for some basic info and guidance... What's the "best" alchohol to drink in terms of Alchohol? Something has to be much better than a 6er of beer.. :)

[Adam Warlock]

wright training..

Dude, you can't just train to be me. you have to be born gifted with that shit.

As for alcohol, I don't know about calories but vodka is the "cleanest" of liquors. beer is bad because of the carbs and the carbonation is bad for your stomach muscles.

[Rooks4]

Dude, you can't just train to be me. you have to be born gifted with that shit.

As for alcohol, I don't know about calories but vodka is the "cleanest" of liquors. beer is bad because of the carbs and the carbonation is bad for your stomach muscles.

Horrible typo lol...

Vodka eh? Damnit I hate vodka. Plus, you need something to mix it with which fucks yo' drink up. How bad is Scotch or Whiskey? I can at least splash that with water to make it drinkable.

[Adam Warlock]

No idea. Drinking goose straight up actually isn't that bad. I'm gonna look it up and then let the thread get back to nutrition and weightlifting. I bench 225 getting out of bed everyday.

Edit: After googling the shit out of this, apparently alcoholic drinks don't contribute to weight gain and may infact cause weight loss. Alcohol isn't used efficiently in the body so it doesn't get properly digested, and what does get digested helps speed up your metabolism. Hmm. You guys jog. I'm gonna funnel a gallon of vodka.

[AzN_Skater]

I'm 5'9" and about 145-150 pounds. I recently lost 10 pounds through dieting (1700 calories fats/protein) and boxing yet I'm still fat. A lot of people I talk to say that my weight is perfect for my height and that it is not fat at all. In fact most people I talk to who are in that weight range are quite lean.

So why am I still fat? What should I do? Lose more weight? I can't handle this diet anymore so I'm taking a break but fuck man I love beer lol.

I'm 5'11" 155 lbs and I'm lean as fuck. I have a bit of a gut (which I'm trying to get rid of). Stop drinking beer lol. And I think you just need definition. A lot of people confuse lack of definition with being 'fat', which is not true at all.

[Soldier Zero]

Would Muscle Milk (http://www.amazon.com/Muscle-Milk-Cookies-Cream-4-96/dp/B0011V4PWQ/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_2) or Cytogainer (http://www.amazon.com/CytoSport-CytoGainer-Maximizer-Protein-96-Ounce/dp/B000G766SC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1216887545&sr=1-4) be more beneficial towards achieving my goal? I already use Muscle Milk (usually right before bed), and it's done me some good, but I think that the gainer would help to add the muscle I need (which would burn fat). However, I don't want to gain fat, at all. Which one?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cs/gainer.html

It's a weight gainer so I'd avoid it. Has a load of carbs (though in 4 scoops) and it's not worth it.

Muscle Milk is a little high in saturated fat. A casein powder with digestive enzymes would be best since you usually take it before bed. It's just good ol' protein.

I'm in a situation where it's hard for me to get to the gym consistently.. I was going really early in the morning for awhile, but havnt done it do to work.. I'm working over 40+ a week and it's not physically draining but mentally I'm drained, so it's hard to go after work too :/. When I was going, it was 90/10 cardio to weight training.., I don't really care about gaining mass, but I really want to lose my beer belly and gain some definition

If it's really a battle to get to the gym, buy some adjustable dumbbells and a bench (assuming you can). It's definitely a hassle to get to the gym if your busy with other things.

I started by fixing my diet - I eat a lot of fresh fruit and veggies, but I only eat twice a day,.. No breakfast, lunch at 11ish (normally not very healthy) and then dinner around 7 when I get home from work... I've lost around 8lbs and am now 204 at 6'.

Twice a day isn't gonna be enough. For breakfast, if you have no time to spare then make it quick with cereal, milk, and a piece of fruit (Multigrain Cheerios are good). It's better than nothing in the morning. Ideally, 5 meals a day would yield greater results. If you eat 3 times a day, supplement 2 with meal replacements, snacks, or your own custom shakes.

Can pushups/situps supplement gym work if I do them nightly? Or is there really just no substitute? (I also have sharp back pain/spasms when doing situps... I blame weak back muscles/belly... But I have no basis for that.., should I be concerned or is it normal when you are out of shape?)

It can't beat the gym, but it would help if you have no other means of exercising. Weightless squats and fast-paced jump roping be done at home too.

[HeaT]

Edit: After googling the shit out of this, apparently alcoholic drinks don't contribute to weight gain and may infact cause weight loss. Alcohol isn't used efficiently in the body so it doesn't get properly digested, and what does get digested helps speed up your metabolism. Hmm. You guys jog. I'm gonna funnel a gallon of vodka.

:rofl:

im outi

Roberth

[VG Emblem]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cs/gainer.html

It's a weight gainer so I'd avoid it. Has a load of carbs (though in 4 scoops) and it's not worth it.

Muscle Milk is a little high in saturated fat. A casein powder with digestive enzymes would be best since you usually take it before bed. It's just good ol' protein.
Hmm, that makes some sense. What would you suggest? This? http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/cas.html

The thing is, I actually liked Muscle Milk and think it was helping. My tub of it is about to run out, so I was going to order more, but then I wondered if something specifically geared towards adding lean muscle would be better. I already take regular whey protein, although I know the difference between that and casein. I'm still going to have to think about this...

[uknowuwishuwereme]

12 hour Dymatize.

[Soldier Zero]

Hmm, that makes some sense. What would you suggest? This? http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/cas.html

The thing is, I actually liked Muscle Milk and think it was helping. My tub of it is about to run out, so I was going to order more, but then I wondered if something specifically geared towards adding lean muscle would be better. I already take regular whey protein, although I know the difference between that and casein. I'm still going to have to think about this...

That should be fine. There's also Muscle Milk Light which has less sugar and saturated fat if you wanna stick with that.

I recently heard it's good to switch up your protein supplements after every tub to get the most benefits. Apparently, your body develops food tolerances quite easily. So after going through a tub of casein, try some soy protein, and then something else after that.

[VG Emblem]

That should be fine. There's also Muscle Milk Light which has less sugar and saturated fat if you wanna stick with that.

I recently heard it's good to switch up your protein supplements after every tub to get the most benefits. Apparently, your body develops food tolerances quite easily. So after going through a tub of casein, try some soy protein, and then something else after that.
Hmm, I'm thinking about ordering some Cytogainer and Casein. Cytogainer for either mornings or random protein feedings throughout the day, and the casein for right before bed. Fuck though, that's like $80, although it's going to last longer if the use is split up. Muscle Milk Light really doesn't appeal to me because it's not like regular MM was making me gain fat or anything (like I said, it seemed to have some effect).

Thanks for the advice, but still thinking about it.

[Biggzy]

I'm in a situation where it's hard for me to get to the gym consistently.. I was going really early in the morning for awhile, but havnt done it do to work.. I'm working over 40+ a week and it's not physically draining but mentally I'm drained, so it's hard to go after work too :/. When I was going, it was 90/10 cardio to weight training.., I don't really care about gaining mass, but I really want to lose my beer belly and gain some definition...

I started by fixing my diet - I eat a lot of fresh fruit and veggies, but I only eat twice a day,.. No breakfast, lunch at 11ish (normally not very healthy) and then dinner around 7 when I get home from work... I've lost around 8lbs and am now 204 at 6'.

It's hard for me to lay off the boos but I've drastically cut back, only drink water in the day, and now take a multi.

Can pushups/situps supplement gym work if I do them nightly? Or is there really just no substitute? (I also have sharp back pain/spasms when doing situps... I blame weak back muscles/belly... But I have no basis for that.., should I be concerned or is it normal when you are out of shape?)

I guess I'm just looking for some basic info and guidance... What's the "best" alchohol to drink in terms of Alchohol? Something has to be much better than a 6er of beer.. :)

I hear ya, its hard to get to the gym after work/school but I guess it just boils to how bad you want or need it. If I don't workout for 2 days I start feeling like shit, I take Sat and Sun off and workout Mon-Fri, once Sunday night rolls around I'm like this sucks I need to hit the weights.

Do you want to be more lean? You definitely need to eat more and breakfast is a must. I mean whatever works for you, but I do think eating at least 4 meals a day will help you lose weight. Drinking only water is great, an occasional diet soda isn't gonna kill you.

The boos I can sympathize, I only drink one night a week if any. Its either friday night or saturday night, both are so I won't be working out the next day as I'm just lazy from drinking the night before. I've lost over 60 lbs through the course of 3-4 years, and I didn't have to give up the stuff I love to eat or drink. Although I did cut back. Taking a multi is good.

I don't think pushups and situps will get the job done, but then again I don't know what you're looking for in terms of results. If time is a factor in the gym try and do a few compound exercises and then hit the cardio and call it a day. Let me know your schedule and I'll get more specific in terms of the workouts I'd recommend.

As for the alcohol, apparently vodka is the "cleanest", the majority of the liquors are about 64 calories per shot. I usually do 2-3 shots of rum and diet sprite. 2 of those bad boys and I've got a nice buzz going, am not hungover the next day, and its not that bad for you. Maybe 350 calories or so.

Anyways, I hope this was of some help.

[ssjbrydon]

i dont think its possible to be 10% bodyfat and not have abs.


kinda funny story unless its happen to one of yall. i was on the stairmaster and in front of me was a girl leaving the treadmills and another guy getting on going hard core from the first second. about 2-3 minutes into it his foot catches the side of the treadmill and he EATS the fucking track on the treadmill and flys back about a good 4 feet. it was hard to hold the laughter, i knew he wasnt hurt cuz he got up quick and tried to play it off. he got back on the treadmill and slowed down, then 5 minutes later he leaves. i feel sorry for that guy, i really do.

[CrotchMonkey]

I'm 5'11" 155 lbs and I'm lean as fuck. I have a bit of a gut (which I'm trying to get rid of). Stop drinking beer lol. And I think you just need definition. A lot of people confuse lack of definition with being 'fat', which is not true at all.

So then what should I be doing? Did I miss out on something growing up cause a lot of the 140-150 pound crowd are lean and most have never even worked out so wtf is wrong with me lol.

Lifting weights doesn't seem to be helping, especially since my numbers never go up no matter how hard I push it..

[Ryad]

So then what should I be doing? Did I miss out on something growing up cause a lot of the 140-150 pound crowd are lean and most have never even worked out so wtf is wrong with me lol.

Lifting weights doesn't seem to be helping, especially since my numbers never go up no matter how hard I push it..

Try lifting heavy.
Heavy weights and low reps instead of light weights high reps.

[Biggzy]

So then what should I be doing? Did I miss out on something growing up cause a lot of the 140-150 pound crowd are lean and most have never even worked out so wtf is wrong with me lol.

Lifting weights doesn't seem to be helping, especially since my numbers never go up no matter how hard I push it..

Cut out the beer. Also, what Ryad said.

I don't see how you anyone could be 5'9, 150 lbs and be fat.

SSJbrydon: God I love those stories. Everytime I see some fucker who tries to "showoff" at the gym, I hope he eats it or looks like a dumbass.

[Airex Hyuga]

Oh.. so long story short. You can't eat whatever you want, lift weights and turn out to be toned?

[kz0060]

So after going through a tub of casein, try some soy protein, and then something else after that.

I remember early in the thread Romie advising to stay away from soy products because they promote estrogen or something like that. I thought edamame would make for a good healthy snack cuz they're real fuckin' delicious and clean but I don't want to produce no female hormones and augment my man boobs I'm trying to lose T.T

[maelstrom218]

kinda funny story unless its happen to one of yall. i was on the stairmaster and in front of me was a girl leaving the treadmills and another guy getting on going hard core from the first second. about 2-3 minutes into it his foot catches the side of the treadmill and he EATS the fucking track on the treadmill and flys back about a good 4 feet. it was hard to hold the laughter, i knew he wasnt hurt cuz he got up quick and tried to play it off. he got back on the treadmill and slowed down, then 5 minutes later he leaves. i feel sorry for that guy, i really do.

That's why I avoid the treadmill. I'm a klutz by nature, so I stick with bikes. It's harder to screw up that way.

I remember early in the thread Romie advising to stay away from soy products because they promote estrogen or something like that. I thought edamame would make for a good healthy snack cuz they're real fuckin' delicious and clean but I don't want to produce no female hormones and augment my man boobs I'm trying to lose T.T

I haven't heard that. The only thing I heard about soy protein is that it's harder to process it into actual muscle mass than whey, which is why whey is usually a better choice.

Although considering Asian people's high intake of soy and our rather, um, unimpressive physical features, there may be some legitimate claim to the whole estrogen thing.

[Biggzy]

Oh.. so long story short. You can't eat whatever you want, lift weights and turn out to be toned?

Basically

[Soldier Zero]

I remember early in the thread Romie advising to stay away from soy products because they promote estrogen or something like that. I thought edamame would make for a good healthy snack cuz they're real fuckin' delicious and clean but I don't want to produce no female hormones and augment my man boobs I'm trying to lose T.T

Not sure about that, but it would have to be a substantial amount of soy to promote that much estrogen in your body. Oh and I meant using it as a protein for making meal replacements shakes, not post-workout. Should have mentioned that before.

[AzN_Skater]

So then what should I be doing? Did I miss out on something growing up cause a lot of the 140-150 pound crowd are lean and most have never even worked out so wtf is wrong with me lol.

Lifting weights doesn't seem to be helping, especially since my numbers never go up no matter how hard I push it..

Realistically, it could come down to genetics.

But yes, I would suggest lifting heavier with less sets, stop drinking beer, and once you feel you have gained a significant amount of strength, go into a cutting cycle. The cutting cycle should really see the fat melt away and the muscle you built during your strength/gain cycle will start to show.

And for the record, I'm 155lbs with 14% body fat. I don't know if that is good or not, but I look fat sometimes and really thin some other times. Could just be my perception.

[CrotchMonkey]

Cut out the beer. Also, what Ryad said.

I don't see how you anyone could be 5'9, 150 lbs and be fat.

SSJbrydon: God I love those stories. Everytime I see some fucker who tries to "showoff" at the gym, I hope he eats it or looks like a dumbass.

I think I'm just small jointed so like I'd have to be like 130-140 to look lean at this point. I'm going to start lifting heavy again while trying to keep boxing going at the same time.

I'll keep the calories low and see where I end up.

[SNAAAAKE]

fish oil is never bad for you right? this korean places down the block sells live salmon fish and I am eating this like everyday.

also anybody know anything about "fresca" soda ?? it has nothing..no calories/sugar/fat. just carbonated water and "natural grapefruit flavor" or something. I am trying to cut down on soda but I gotta drink something..cant be having water all the time.

and any reason to get organic pasta and eggs over regular stuff ??

[denjin]

If I HAD to get my workouts in three days in a row (aka: Fri Sat Sun), then how should I go about doing it?

I was thinking:
Fri: Deadlift, Squat, Lunges
Sat: Curl, Row, Shrugs(?)
Sun: Military Press, Bench Press, Dips

(Fuck…I need a fourth day for some core work…)

[tech master]

you dont wanna go upper body twice in a row. try switching up the sat and friday around so you get some rest between upperbody days.

Deadlifts and squats are core workouts =] Throw in an ab work out on your leg day and you'll get some good results.

[Soldier Zero]

fish oil is never bad for you right? this korean places down the block sells live salmon fish and I am eating this like everyday.

also anybody know anything about "fresca" soda ?? it has nothing..no calories/sugar/fat. just carbonated water and "natural grapefruit flavor" or something. I am trying to cut down on soda but I gotta drink something..cant be having water all the time.

and any reason to get organic pasta and eggs over regular stuff ??

3g of EPA & DHA combined should be daily max. Organic's always recommended if you don't mind paying the extra. Probably gives your body the best of the best in nutrients and what not without all that chemical bs from factory animals.

If I HAD to get my workouts in three days in a row (aka: Fri Sat Sun), then how should I go about doing it?

I was thinking:
Fri: Deadlift, Squat, Lunges
Sat: Curl, Row, Shrugs(?)
Sun: Military Press, Bench Press, Dips

(Fuck…I need a fourth day for some core work…)

It's tough. I wouldn't do deadlift and squat heavy in one session cause that's really taxing on the body. Put one on Fri and another on Sun plus power cleans to one of those days. Make Sat bench press, barbell row, and then some other uber compound upper body lift (pull-up with DB held with your feet?)

Core work, just add one exercise to the end of each session. The DB between your feet on pull ups should work your abs as well.

[LongSh0t]

I want to increase my leg flexibility (i.e. touch my toes). So, what are the rules for this? Can I stretch everyday, or only a few times a week? What kinds of stretches and for how long?

[Green]

Every day

http://exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

[denjin]

Deadlifts and squats are core workouts =]

Heh. Good one. Thanks.


Throw in an ab work out on your leg day and you'll get some good results.

Hm...seems good.


It's tough. I wouldn't do deadlift and squat heavy in one session cause that's really taxing on the body. Put one on Fri and another on Sun plus power cleans to one of those days. Make Sat bench press, barbell row, and then some other uber compound upper body lift (pull-up with DB held with your feet?)

Core work, just add one exercise to the end of each session. The DB between your feet on pull ups should work your abs as well.

I tried doing the "full body" then off then "full body." I don't feel like I'm getting growth. Thus I want to do full-leg days (the way I used to).

For me, the things I work on the deadlift feels VERY similiar to the stuff I work on squats.

Thanks, SZ. Thanks TM.

Magnus, you still around?

Also, do deadlifts and squats work your stomach? I'm guessing core = back and not front.

[tech master]

I want to increase my leg flexibility (i.e. touch my toes). So, what are the rules for this? Can I stretch everyday, or only a few times a week? What kinds of stretches and for how long?

stretching once a day is fine. it takes ab, hamstring, and calve strength. So really focus on flexing and maintaining resistance in those muscles. You can stand straight up with your legs across each other. ie your feet are touching side to side right next to each other as if you're standing normally except your left foot is where the right is and vice versa. use the front leg to keep the other leg straight keeping the under knee locked and just bend over and reach for your toes. then switch foot placement and do it again.

I find this easier than sitting down with your feet against the wall and reaching for your toes because this way you can use one leg to lock the other leg (no knee movement)

You can also try doing straight leg kicks. controlled and explosive.

standing splits work also. Put one leg straight out on to a bench or anything with height and slowly move your back foot out until you get a good stretch.


For me, the things I work on the deadlift feels VERY similiar to the stuff I work on squats.

Also, do deadlifts and squats work your stomach? I'm guessing core = back and not front.

Squats should tax your ass and legs a lil more and deadlifts should work out your back a little more.

Core is basically your torso (back and abs), more specifically the deeper muscles under your abs and back. hence the name "core" hehe

[Green]

Muscle involvement in squats varies tremendously depending on form.


*bad info removed*

[Soldier Zero]

Squats should tax your ass and legs a lil more and deadlifts should work out your back a little more.

Full back squat uses glutes and quads a lot with hamstrings to a lesser degree. Deadlifts should work your hamstrings predominantly. Specifically on the back, you're using your traps and all the muscles around your shoulder blades to keep them pulled together. Lower back should get zero work because you don't want it rounding out during the movement.

[Green]

On the contrary, I find that lower back is the target for deadlifting. I don't know how you're doing it, but if lower back isn't involved at all, I think you aren't doing deadlifts.

exrx agrees with me

http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/BBDeadlift.html

[Soldier Zero]

On the contrary, I find that lower back is the target for deadlifting. I don't know how you're doing it, but if lower back isn't involved at all, I think you aren't doing deadlifts.

exrx agrees with me

http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/BBDeadlift.html

Correct you are. I guess I was overzealous with the "zero work" and should have just stated not to round out the lower back.

[LongSh0t]

Every day

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That Web site is great. Thanks very much.

snip

That helps, thanks. Is there such a thing as stretching too much or for too long? I was thinking of sitting and stretching while reading a book or during some other sedentary activity. If I did, could I get results faster?

[Green]

That Web site is great. Thanks very much.



That helps, thanks. Is there such a thing as stretching too much or for too long? I was thinking of sitting and stretching while reading a book or during some other sedentary activity. If I did, could I get results faster?
You can do it frequently but I wouldn't suggest exceeding any sort of pain threshold.

[kz0060]

Post-workout meal question. I heard it's good take in a hefty amount of simple carbs right after exercising for an insulin spike. Does this mean I should choose white rice over brown rice because it'll be processed quicker? It seems kinda counter-intuitive b/c i thought it's best to choose brown rice whenever you can. Also heard fruit juice may also work so would OJ be a good enough source for carbs after a workout?

[denjin]

Correct you are. I guess I was overzealous with the "zero work" and should have just stated not to round out the lower back.

I'm glad to have seen this debate. Back strength is pretty much my main reason for doing deadlifts.

Still scares the fuck out of me when I feel the "burn" there though.



So, let's try it another way: I should have my pull / push days (I don't do upper/lower, like arms then legs), then on EACH day add a stomach movement to it?

Actually, do you guys do pull / push or do you do "top" / "bottom?"

Also, do you guys do things like curl OR pushup OR crunch? Or do you guys do the pushup + deadlifts / you don't do deadlifts but instead do "snatches?"

[Ryad]

I go for upper/lower body...

I should try this pull/push sometime

[tech master]

I'm glad to have seen this debate. Back strength is pretty much my main reason for doing deadlifts.

Still scares the fuck out of me when I feel the "burn" there though.



So, let's try it another way: I should have my pull / push days (I don't do upper/lower, like arms then legs), then on EACH day add a stomach movement to it?

Actually, do you guys do pull / push or do you do "top" / "bottom?"

Also, do you guys do things like curl OR pushup OR crunch? Or do you guys do the pushup + deadlifts / you don't do deadlifts but instead do "snatches?"

i've read articles saying to separate push/pull and others saying its actually beneficial to do push and pull the same day. However, Almost anyone will tell you not to workout when you haven't recovered. Thats why it just seems more logical to do do top/bottom splits and then if possible, incorporate a push pull scheme that seems like its working better for you.

[SEbastard]

I remember early in the thread Romie advising to stay away from soy products because they promote estrogen or something like that. I thought edamame would make for a good healthy snack cuz they're real fuckin' delicious and clean but I don't want to produce no female hormones and augment my man boobs I'm trying to lose T.T

There is still heavy debate about that. From what I have heard though, soy protein powder shouldn't be an issue, as most of the stuff they say causes estrogen production is processed out. Either way, it's still being argued about.

[SEbastard]

Post-workout meal question. I heard it's good take in a hefty amount of simple carbs right after exercising for an insulin spike. Does this mean I should choose white rice over brown rice because it'll be processed quicker? It seems kinda counter-intuitive b/c i thought it's best to choose brown rice whenever you can. Also heard fruit juice may also work so would OJ be a good enough source for carbs after a workout?

Juice isn't nearly as fast a carb as people previously thought.

The reason you would have white rice over brown rice is the fiber in the brown rice would slow digestion. You want those carbs replaced as fast as possible, so that you can return to a state where your muscles focus on rebuilding themselves.

Gatorade works, or pure dextrose if you are on a budget. Waxy maize starch is good as well, if you want to try out the latest craze. I've used it back when it first came out. Not sure it was any better, but it did feel better on my stomach than dextrose.

Just eating whole food though isn't bad, it's slightly less "efficient," but I don't think it's going to be a huge factor hindering your goals. Go for a bagel, white rice, white bread, white potato.....etc, if you are going the whole food route.

[kz0060]

Thanks bro :tup:. Got another food question. Would you eat the same kind of pre&post workout meal for an HIIT session as you would for a weightlifting session?

[Soldier Zero]

I'm glad to have seen this debate. Back strength is pretty much my main reason for doing deadlifts.

Still scares the fuck out of me when I feel the "burn" there though.



So, let's try it another way: I should have my pull / push days (I don't do upper/lower, like arms then legs), then on EACH day add a stomach movement to it?

Actually, do you guys do pull / push or do you do "top" / "bottom?"

Also, do you guys do things like curl OR pushup OR crunch? Or do you guys do the pushup + deadlifts / you don't do deadlifts but instead do "snatches?"

I do 4-day upper-lower split. My upper body days consist of pushes and pulls; one being vertical movements and the 2nd being horizontal. For legs, one day is hip/hamstring dominant and the other is knee/quad dominant.

[SEbastard]

Thanks bro :tup:. Got another food question. Would you eat the same kind of pre&post workout meal for an HIIT session as you would for a weightlifting session?

Nah, I wouldn't. That is if your goals are for fat loss overall.

If you do it first thing in the morning, drink some bcaa's or 10-20g's protein, then follow it up with a whole food meal 30-60 minutes after.

[VG Emblem]

I have a similar question to kz's, although it's about Muay Thai. What do you recommend after about an hour (or a bit more) of intense MT? It's more cardio than anything, but it requires a lot of punching, knees, kicks, even elbows, and sparring. My muscles usually aren't worn out, maybe a bit on the legs, and sometimes arms/neck when working on the clinch. I'm just about soaked in sweat after the workout, and a few times that I've weighed myself, there was about a 3 pounds difference between when I started and ended. However, I don't really want to lose weight, just some fat and put on some muscle, so this isn't that desirable.

What I've been doing is drinking some whey, maybe 15-20 grams (sometimes in milk), and then soon after eating a somewhat small meal, such as a can of tuna + bread. Is this good?

[The_Gunslinger]

Would you think it would be healthy to do cardio like 30 mins in the morning and like an hour at nighttime? Right now I lift weights twice a week at night but I just got a heavy punching bag so I was going to start hitting that in the morning then jogging/lifting weights at nighttime. Opinions please?

Also quick edit: What is the best way to tighten up loose skin aside from surgery of course? I recently lost a shitload of weight and I got some loose ass skin in some places

[The Mullah]

Cardio after weights is the best!, Better than in the morning!

Tonight i'll have 2 nigiri and some sashimi after i do legs + 20-30 mins of hiit cardio.

Then i'll have salad and wok fried turkey breast for dinner.

Fat loss gauranteed!

[kz0060]

Also quick edit: What is the best way to tighten up loose skin aside from surgery of course? I recently lost a shitload of weight and I got some loose ass skin in some places

Hmm, I would think maybe try packin' those puppies up with muscle?

[300 lb Eugene]

I almost forgot to put this up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsc2pxzwHH0

I didnt have access to the 120 lb dumbells anymore so i just use the 100's.
I can do at least 3 reps with 120's.

Im still trying to lower B. Fat. still hovering 19%-21%. :shake:
at least its not 27% anymore....

[SEbastard]

What I've been doing is drinking some whey, maybe 15-20 grams (sometimes in milk), and then soon after eating a somewhat small meal, such as a can of tuna + bread. Is this good?

May want to add a gatoraid in with your whey, if you are losing 3lbs of weight, that is some serious sweating. Make sure to hydrate while you workout as well.

[SEbastard]

Would you think it would be healthy to do cardio like 30 mins in the morning and like an hour at nighttime? Right now I lift weights twice a week at night but I just got a heavy punching bag so I was going to start hitting that in the morning then jogging/lifting weights at nighttime. Opinions please?

Also quick edit: What is the best way to tighten up loose skin aside from surgery of course? I recently lost a shitload of weight and I got some loose ass skin in some places

Depends on quite a few things, how long you were overweight, how old you are, how much you lost, etc.

I lost just under 100lbs when I was 21 (33 now). With ONLY a small weight bench, couple hundred pounds of weights, and a heavy bag.

I use to do a full body workout on the weights, followed by 45 minutes on the heavy bag. I judged if I was slacking or no, depending on if I completely sweat through my shirt and pants, lol.

did this 3 times a week, MWF then TUTHSAT I did 1 hour of boxing. Usually did drills where I would do 20-40 crunches, 20-40 push ups, then 3 minutes on the bag, and ran through that a couple times as well, to change things up.

when I had time, I added in morning workouts for 30-45 minutes as well. Twice a day works out great, but after a few months, you should take a week off to avoid overtraining. Listen to your body though.

I had a bit of loose skin in my ab area, it tightened up over the course of a year, also adding muscle helped quite a bit. People also recommend daily use of cocoa butter.........lots of anecdotal evidence, not much scientific....do with that info what you will.

Damn, this thread is getting me motivated to get back in the gym for sure. Had shoulder surgery a while back, been dealing with that shit(always properly warm up your rotator cuffs kids.)

[Ryuthe Wanderer]

I almost forgot to put this up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsc2pxzwHH0

I didnt have access to the 120 lb dumbells anymore so i just use the 100's.
I can do at least 3 reps with 120's.

Im still trying to lower B. Fat. still hovering 19%-21%. :shake:
at least its not 27% anymore....

I dunno if you have ever tried kettle bells w/pilates exercises. Basically high reps with a fifteen to thirty five pound weight with little to no rest and exercises that work stuff the bench press and preacher curl don't touch. I started it two months ago and it shreds me every time, head to toe, gives me strength, and increases endurance, along with sweating like a roast pig while cutting the abs. It combines large muscle groups with cardio, a very beneficial pairing. I wanted to lose ten pounds of fat and gain ten in muscle. In roughly two months I am well on my way, it will probably take another month to get where I want to. Anyway, just a thought.

[Rhio2k]

Uh...embarassing question here: anybody else get the squirt-cramps during hiit running? You know...in the words of Dave Chappelle "I felt a rumbling that could only mean one thing: mud-butt." I have a whey shake with water, instant coffee, 1 scoop of whey, a banana, and a tsp of creatine a half-hour before the exercise. Am I eating something wrong before running?

[Dj-DarK]

I almost forgot to put this up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsc2pxzwHH0

I didnt have access to the 120 lb dumbells anymore so i just use the 100's.
I can do at least 3 reps with 120's.

Im still trying to lower B. Fat. still hovering 19%-21%. :shake:
at least its not 27% anymore....

Strong lift. How much do you weigh?

Uh...embarassing question here: anybody else get the squirt-cramps during hiit running? You know...in the words of Dave Chappelle "I felt a rumbling that could only mean one thing: mud-butt." I have a whey shake with water, instant coffee, 1 scoop of whey, a banana, and a tsp of creatine a half-hour before the exercise. Am I eating something wrong before running?

ROFL! You hit the throne before you work out?

[Rhio2k]

ROFL! You hit the throne before you work out?

I did this morning...and this time, it happened on the way home. Before it would happen about 15 minutes into the session. I just wish it would stop happening, period. Never happens on weightlifting days.

[Dj-DarK]

I would say the coffee but thats my body. Try a day without a cup of joe in the morning.

[Soldier Zero]

Uh...embarassing question here: anybody else get the squirt-cramps during hiit running? You know...in the words of Dave Chappelle "I felt a rumbling that could only mean one thing: mud-butt." I have a whey shake with water, instant coffee, 1 scoop of whey, a banana, and a tsp of creatine a half-hour before the exercise. Am I eating something wrong before running?

Shoot for a small meal or snack instead. See if it affects you the same way or differently.

[ehwhoknows]

Muscle involvement in squats varies tremendously depending on form. If I cheat I can do a lot more weight if I use my ass, lower back, and muscles riding on the outside of the hip. If I do it properly, most of the burn comes from the mid-to-front section of the quads.

Um isn't this wrong? Proper form should mean you are working your posterior chain (glutes, hams, lower back) not your quads. In fact, if you are feeling it more in your quads you just turned it into more of a leg press than squats right?

[BustaWolfe]

Is too much protein bad for you? I recently bought the Myoplex original shake formula with 42grams of protein.

What exercises should i be doing if i want to have the cut/definition on the chest (right below the neck area - sternum?)

[Demix500]

Is too much protein bad for you? I recently bought the Myoplex original shake formula with 42grams of protein.

What exercises should i be doing if i want to have the cut/definition on the chest (right below the neck area - sternum?)

Too much anything is bad for you, although 42 grams of protein isn't nearly "too much" for someone working out. Any type of calories (whether protein or not) will turn to fat if unused. Take the shake within 30 minutes after workout

Do lots of chest exercises ( bench press, incline bench press, etc then isolated chess excerises). From personal experience, I've found the area you're describing is one of the last places on the chest the muscle will get defined.

[n8archer_XI]

I've heard the pills and supplements you can buy at a place like GNC to build muscle just make your body full of water, creating "fake" muscle? Is this accurate; it sounded like nonsense to me...

[blackstar14]

Question: I'm 135 and have very little body fat on me and I'm basically just curious if you think by me adding cardio back into my workout will that have any effect on my lifting? It sounds stupid but I just feel that if I start to do cardio and lose weight it'll have a negative effect on my lifting.

[Dj-DarK]

I've heard the pills and supplements you can buy at a place like GNC to build muscle just make your body full of water, creating "fake" muscle? Is this accurate; it sounded like nonsense to me...

Muscle is mostly water.

[BustaWolfe]

Too much anything is bad for you, although 42 grams of protein isn't nearly "too much" for someone working out. Any type of calories (whether protein or not) will turn to fat if unused. Take the shake within 30 minutes after workout

Do lots of chest exercises ( bench press, incline bench press, etc then isolated chess excerises). From personal experience, I've found the area you're describing is one of the last places on the chest the muscle will get defined.

should i alternate between a 20g and 42g depending on the type of work out I'm doing? Like you said any type of unused will turn into fat. So if i'm doing just like pushups as a maintenance workout, should i just drink the 20g one? I wanna pack on a few pounds also.

[n8archer_XI]

Muscle is mostly water.So if I want to look more buff after taking pills along with workouts and cardio, it's all legit and not a waste of time?

[VG Emblem]

should i alternate between a 20g and 42g depending on the type of work out I'm doing? Like you said any type of unused will turn into fat. So if i'm doing just like pushups as a maintenance workout, should i just drink the 20g one? I wanna pack on a few pounds also.
I believe that's a myth; protein can never become fat. Fat (obviously) and carbs can, especially if you're inactive. If you eat too much protein, it usually just goes through you unused.

...this also might be the answer to Rhio's problem.

SEbastard: Yeah, I'll try a Gatorade on the way home (I bike home about 2 miles from my training place) next time. Thanks.

[Demix500]

should i alternate between a 20g and 42g depending on the type of work out I'm doing? Like you said any type of unused will turn into fat. So if i'm doing just like pushups as a maintenance workout, should i just drink the 20g one? I wanna pack on a few pounds also.

Rule of thumb is 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. Just get the 42 grams immediately after your workout and spread the rest of your protein intake throughout the day - getting protein after a workout when your muscles are recovering is crucial for muscle growth.

Also try some weight gain products if you really have trouble gaining weight. I personally don't have any experience with these, but I've had a few friends who needed to pack some pounds for lacrosse who had success with them.

VG Emblem: Excess amino acids in your blood stream goes through you unused? I'm pretty sure they get broken down and used for other things.

[Dj-DarK]

So if I want to look more buff after taking pills along with workouts and cardio, it's all legit and not a waste of time?

Things you should look into:

Multivitamin
Whey Protein
Fish Oil
BCAA's
Creatine (Cycled)

If your trying to loose weight I would recommend a thermogenic/ECA stack.

[Soldier Zero]

Um isn't this wrong? Proper form should mean you are working your posterior chain (glutes, hams, lower back) not your quads. In fact, if you are feeling it more in your quads you just turned it into more of a leg press than squats right?

For a back squat, you work your quads, hamstrings, glutes, and lower back. It's a quad-dominant exercise. Doing squat varations, such as sissy squats or front squats, places less emphasis on the glutes and hams.

Is too much protein bad for you? I recently bought the Myoplex original shake formula with 42grams of protein.

What exercises should i be doing if i want to have the cut/definition on the chest (right below the neck area - sternum?)

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/dear.htm
^Good response to any protein concerns.

Definition comes from low body fat. Good pec exercises are flies, Gironda dips, and dumbbell presses. Just add a slight incline on the bench to work the upper area more, but also remember you get more shoulder work as well.

I've heard the pills and supplements you can buy at a place like GNC to build muscle just make your body full of water, creating "fake" muscle? Is this accurate; it sounded like nonsense to me...

Sounds bogus to me as well. The only reason I don't buy from GNC anymore is because they're on the pricey side. Most nutrition websites offer a wider selection of brands and cheap shipping on orders. 2 good websites I know of are:

http://www.dpsnutrition.net/
and
http://bodybuilding.com/store/

Of course there are others so see what you like the most.

[denjin]

Thank everyone for your input on the push-pull thing.

The "top-bottom" thing is interesting. What do you guys say to doing top-bottom back-to-back days? (I kind of already do: Lifting one day, and some leg/cardio the next. Not quite squats/lunges though.)


...protein can never become fat. Fat (obviously) and ...

Alright. I've read up/heard about this. The answer is "NO," it can't happen. It doesn't LITERALLY turn into fat.

However, on a I'm-an-average-guy-and-I-could-care-less-about-the-science kind of way, then yes, it does.

You work out a lot, then stop working out? You'll look terrible.

[VG Emblem]

Alright. I've read up/heard about this. The answer is "NO," it can't happen. It doesn't LITERALLY turn into fat.

However, on a I'm-an-average-guy-and-I-could-care-less-about-the-science kind of way, then yes, it does.

You work out a lot, then stop working out? You'll look terrible.
That might be true, but he was specifically worried that if he got too much protein, it would go unused and convert into fat (like carbs do).

[Demix500]

?
Calories from protein aren't used for energy. Whatevs. :confused:

[n8archer_XI]

Things you should look into:

Multivitamin
Whey Protein
Fish Oil
BCAA's
Creatine (Cycled)

If your trying to loose weight I would recommend a thermogenic/ECA stack.I'm not really looking to lose weight, because I'm only 20.9 BMI, but I'm lanky at 6'3"/167 lbs and need to bulk up a little...

[300 lb Eugene]

Strong lift. How much do you weigh?




My user name

[iwst99]

Starting a new regimen today. Will be doing Isolated muscle groups Mon, Tues, Thur, Fri morning (I go in at about 6am). And will be doing HIIT on Mon, Wed, Fri evening...I'm waiting an hour after I ate, which was about 40 mins ago, so I should be at the gym in 20 mins. I want to try this out, since I want to dedicate completely on weight training in the mornings, since my recent workouts have been really intense, and can't really do cardio and weight training right after another.:-\ I'll see how it turns out.

[SCOTT POPULAR]

Sup yall, Any thoughts on how to get cut? I'm not trying to put on any more weight now..

[VG Emblem]

?
Calories from protein aren't used for energy. Whatevs. :confused:
Well, I didn't say they were, I was just making the comparison to carbs because lots of people think that protein functions in the same way (it turns into fat if unused, for building/retaining mass or whatever in the case of protein).

[ehwhoknows]

For a back squat, you work your quads, hamstrings, glutes, and lower back. It's a quad-dominant exercise. Doing squat varations, such as sissy squats or front squats, places less emphasis on the glutes and hams.


You're right, for back squats you do utilize your quads too, rereading my post I make it sound like you aren't supposed to feel anything in your quads at all. What I meant was the majority of the work shouldn't be entirely on your quads. I also noticed some people might perform alternate versions of back squats, I personally prefer low bar back squats, the way powerlifters perform it, which wouldn't necessarily be quad dominant.

[Ryad]

Check this out (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7535770.stm)

[Soldier Zero]

Check this out (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7535770.stm)

Very interesting. For trying to burn more BF, I would take it. Of course, that's assuming there's no 'I Am Legend' side effects.

[Green]

Um isn't this wrong? Proper form should mean you are working your posterior chain (glutes, hams, lower back) not your quads. In fact, if you are feeling it more in your quads you just turned it into more of a leg press than squats right?
Actually, you're correct. I have to apologize for the misinformation.

[300 lb Eugene]

In case anybody is thinking of juicing-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_R9esnDzp0&feature=related

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69142

http://mmafightline.com/news/2007/114/ricardo_arona_307315.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k37UAUeSqtM&eurl=http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/bob-sapp-talks-about-steroids-720195/


There are 6 parts to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj3De6s3ZjQ

just dont do it. people. :shake:

[Epicurus]

In case anybody is thinking of juicing-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_R9esnDzp0&feature=related

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69142

http://mmafightline.com/news/2007/114/ricardo_arona_307315.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k37UAUeSqtM&eurl=http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/bob-sapp-talks-about-steroids-720195/




This is the kind of shit you end up believing when you fail to research steroids properly.



There are 6 parts to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj3De6s3ZjQ


And Gregg Valentino used steroids and a whole lot of other shit that people overlook. The reason his arms grew so big was because he injected a synthetic oil into them called Synthol. Like this guy who injects the shit all over his body (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj29BktIBkI&feature=related).



Christian Boeving talks a bit about steroids. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7qGvm05swQ)

[StriderMike]

I never knew this thread was on SRK. This is a lot of good info. I lift like it's a religion and I am always looking for tips and others input on what works and what doesn't...

[300 lb Eugene]

This is the kind of shit you end up believing when you fail to research steroids properly.


And Gregg Valentino used steroids and a whole lot of other shit that people overlook. The reason his arms grew so big was because he injected a synthetic oil into them called Synthol. Like this guy who injects the shit all over his body (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj29BktIBkI&feature=related).



Christian Boeving talks a bit about steroids. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7qGvm05swQ)


It always comes down to how a persons diet / exercise is before anything else.
roids is optional.

And synthol doesnt have any androgens in it. Its almost like a woman getting silikon implants.

That bodybuilder look like the guy from BIG TROUBLE LITTLE CHINA :rofl:

[akumatrunigga]

What is the panel's opinion of good weight benches? Ive been shopping around looking but since im starting over again what would be my best option. Should I go cheap or go for a more standard pricer one? Im considering the cheaper small ones since i live in a townhouse without a basment so there is not enough room in my place it other than my bedroom.

[Epicurus]

What is the panel's opinion of good weight benches? Ive been shopping around looking but since im starting over again what would be my best option. Should I go cheap or go for a more standard pricer one? Im considering the cheaper small ones since i live in a townhouse without a basment so there is not enough room in my place it other than my bedroom.

go to a gym, you'll find plenty there

[HeaT]

In case anybody is thinking of juicing-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_R9esnDzp0&feature=related

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69142

http://mmafightline.com/news/2007/114/ricardo_arona_307315.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k37UAUeSqtM&eurl=http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/bob-sapp-talks-about-steroids-720195/


There are 6 parts to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj3De6s3ZjQ

just dont do it. people. :shake:

you posted a video about bob sap talking about how creatine and protein is dangerous because they trained so hard...

...

i wanna see a creatine's highlight training video, that shit is hype...

im outi

Roberth

[Ex0dUs27]

You work out a lot, then stop working out? You'll look terrible.

so true. i look like shit right now. i always end up putting my routine on pause when finals come around, and its so hard to get back into it. im going back on my regiment Monday though.

2 a day workouts
2 a day cardio

Tuna rice, eggs in the diet
whey protein shakes twice a day
9 hrs of sleep

i do this for 2 weeks before school and ill prob lose 5 lbs. im thinking about doing a hydroxycut hardcore cycle but im not sure if i can keep the weight off. i have a low metabolism so i need to be exercising all the time, a lot, to look decent. It takes a lot of work it seems for me to have my body in presentable shape. 3+ months of hard dieting and work to get my weight down and what not. Yet i can lose it all in 2 weeks. fuck thi shit im going play basketball. *leaves*

[SEbastard]

go to a gym, you'll find plenty there

http://www.ironmaster.com/store/Super-Bench-pr-3.html

rated 1000lb (600 in upright position), and in when upright, takes up minimal space.

Shitload of optional attachments as well.
http://www.ironmaster.com/store/Super-Bench-c-2.html

I wouldn't waste my money on a cheapie bench, spend what.....100.....then in a year or so have to upgrade. May as well spend the extra now. If you need something to hold you over, pick up a used one on craigslist.

[300 lb Eugene]

There also a MAJOR SIDE EFFECT for taking No EXPLODE!!! :wow:

DO NOT TAKE THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE THISS COULD HAPPEN!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVSf5Fd8QBk

[Biggzy]

There also a MAJOR SIDE EFFECT for taking No EXPLODE!!! :wow:

DO NOT TAKE THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE THISS COULD HAPPEN!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVSf5Fd8QBk

I didn't watch that vid, but I can't take NO boosters. It sucks because for the first 30 minutes after taking them I have so much energy its ridiculous, but I get real dizzy after just one set so I just don't take them. I've tried White Flood and SuperPump250 and both had the same effect on me.

Took a week off (more like 5 days) due to classes for my job, but I was back at the gym today. Gonna start my supplements next week. Gonna start with Blue Up (test booster), SizeOn, Animal Pak, Fish Oil, Flaxseed Oil, and a shitload of protein. Once thats all done with, gonna hit up a can or two of M-Stak, GreenMAG (if I'm done with SizeOn), and Purple Wraath. Also, have a can of Animal Nitro I'm gonna try.

Any supplements you guys like that you've tried?

So far I have taken at some point or another

Animal Pak
Animal Stak
Animal M-Stak
Animal Test
Animal Pump
SuperPump
White Flood
Purple Wraath
Green Mag
ON 100% Whey
ON Casein
Fish Oil
Flaxseed Oil

[fistoftheryustar]

why is that less and less ppl seem to be taking protein bars? whenever i ask someone at the gym if they eat protein bars, they say "no no noo" as if it were the same as taking roids? the ppl that usually say this tend to be really really skinny

[Biggzy]

why is that less and less ppl seem to be taking protein bars? whenever i ask someone at the gym if they eat protein bars, they say "no no noo" as if it were the same as taking roids? the ppl that usually say this tend to be really really skinny

I would say that typically Protein bars have a good amount of sugar in them. Plus I just prefer a shake.

[Soldier Zero]

Gonna buy some Greens Plus eventually this week.

Anybody here do BB snatches? From a hang position, they're the most uncomfortable exercise I've tried. :arazz:

[iwst99]

I started adding HIIT to my workouts, plus playing tennis (which I used to do back in the day).

Saturday I did HIIT, then shoulders and triceps, then played some tennis about 2 hours later. GOD DAMN, I could tell I was tighter the next day. I eat right with 5-7 meals a day and no garbage and goal right now is definition.

For anyone here who has a tight body or showing abs, how long did it take you to get rid of the last bit of fat around your waist? That's what I've been going for now. Slow process, but getting tighter and tighter.

[SEbastard]

I didn't watch that vid, but I can't take NO boosters. It sucks because for the first 30 minutes after taking them I have so much energy its ridiculous, but I get real dizzy after just one set so I just don't take them. I've tried White Flood and SuperPump250 and both had the same effect on me.

Took a week off (more like 5 days) due to classes for my job, but I was back at the gym today. Gonna start my supplements next week. Gonna start with Blue Up (test booster), SizeOn, Animal Pak, Fish Oil, Flaxseed Oil, and a shitload of protein. Once thats all done with, gonna hit up a can or two of M-Stak, GreenMAG (if I'm done with SizeOn), and Purple Wraath. Also, have a can of Animal Nitro I'm gonna try.

Any supplements you guys like that you've tried?

So far I have taken at some point or another

Animal Pak
Animal Stak
Animal M-Stak
Animal Test
Animal Pump
SuperPump
White Flood
Purple Wraath
Green Mag
ON 100% Whey
ON Casein
Fish Oil
Flaxseed Oil

Tried just taking straight arginine? The products you have been taking tend to be full of stims for workout energy, and that is probably what is bothering you. Pick up some bulk arginine and try it with your pre and post workout drinks.

http://www.supplementdirect.com/?content=52&product_id=14297&PHPSESSID=618a39b34abcf226f9d6cc8c8504a4e0

also, saw you use animal products, they are great. More people need to pick up "animal flex" for joint support. It isn't really something you think about until your joints start to wear on you as you get older. Solid product, and has helped me a lot. Wish I had started with it in my 20's.

[SEbastard]

why is that less and less ppl seem to be taking protein bars? whenever i ask someone at the gym if they eat protein bars, they say "no no noo" as if it were the same as taking roids? the ppl that usually say this tend to be really really skinny

Some don't like they because they are full of glycerine. Some because they are full of artificial ingredients. I use them in a pinch, but bind the hell out of me....so I try not to. Better to keep a few rtd drinks around (muscle milk light, etc).

[Biggzy]

Tried just taking straight arginine? The products you have been taking tend to be full of stims for workout energy, and that is probably what is bothering you. Pick up some bulk arginine and try it with your pre and post workout drinks.

http://www.supplementdirect.com/?content=52&product_id=14297&PHPSESSID=618a39b34abcf226f9d6cc8c8504a4e0

also, saw you use animal products, they are great. More people need to pick up "animal flex" for joint support. It isn't really something you think about until your joints start to wear on you as you get older. Solid product, and has helped me a lot. Wish I had started with it in my 20's.

I haven't tried straight arginine. I've taken products with arginine in them but not by itself.

I just put an order in at BB.com

BSN Cellmass
Controlled Labs - Golden Finish
ON 100% whey Rocky Road
Anabolic Xtreme - HyperdrolX2
Anabolic Xtreme - Mass FX
AST Multi Pro 32X

Also, SEbastard, if you change your avatar I'll + rep and try to get you out of the red. That av is so annoying lol.

[Ryad]

I almost vomited working out my lower body today...

Broke my deadlift 5RM personal best by 10lbs...

I couldn't even finish my entire workout...

[Biggzy]

I was thinking the other day. Some of my friends are doing that Nike thing, where you buy this like chip or something and put it in your shoe and it records how much you run, and its posted on some Nike site and you can have teams that faceoff against each other for who can run the most miles in X amount of weeks.

So anyways, I was thinking we should have something kind of like that on SRK. Maybe we could have a contest or something, where those who are interested would post current pics of yourself and your physique (no homo), measure your weight and body fat percentage, then after like 6 months take pictures again and then we all vote for who we think is the most improved. We could all put like $5 in or something, or buy the winner Premium for a week/month/year, something like that.

Would anyone be interested? Or are you guys just like, "get a life."?

I think it would motivate people to stick with there workouts and train even harder. Could be fun.

[Ryad]

I was thinking the other day. Some of my friends are doing that Nike thing, where you buy this like chip or something and put it in your shoe and it records how much you run, and its posted on some Nike site and you can have teams that faceoff against each other for who can run the most miles in X amount of weeks.

So anyways, I was thinking we should have something kind of like that on SRK. Maybe we could have a contest or something, where those who are interested would post current pics of yourself and your physique (no homo), measure your weight and body fat percentage, then after like 6 months take pictures again and then we all vote for who we think is the most improved. We could all put like $5 in or something, or buy the winner Premium for a week/month/year, something like that.

Would anyone be interested? Or are you guys just like, "get a life."?

I think it would motivate people to stick with there workouts and train even harder. Could be fun.

I think that sounds cool.

How do you measure your body fat %?

[Epicurus]

Most supplement companies would quickly go out of business if steroids were legalized.

[Ryad]

Most supplement companies would quickly go out of business if steroids were legalized.

I don't agree. I for one wouldn't take em even if they were legal.
Unless I am missing another angle you may be addressing.

[AzN_Skater]

I was thinking the other day. Some of my friends are doing that Nike thing, where you buy this like chip or something and put it in your shoe and it records how much you run, and its posted on some Nike site and you can have teams that faceoff against each other for who can run the most miles in X amount of weeks.

So anyways, I was thinking we should have something kind of like that on SRK. Maybe we could have a contest or something, where those who are interested would post current pics of yourself and your physique (no homo), measure your weight and body fat percentage, then after like 6 months take pictures again and then we all vote for who we think is the most improved. We could all put like $5 in or something, or buy the winner Premium for a week/month/year, something like that.

Would anyone be interested? Or are you guys just like, "get a life."?

I think it would motivate people to stick with there workouts and train even harder. Could be fun.

Sounds good, I did this with one other friend for a couple months, it's pretty fun.

[HeaT]

Most supplement companies would quickly go out of business if steroids were legalized.

i disagree as well, why do you say this???

i do not not take them because they are illegal, i dont take them because they fuck you up health wise, and ethical reasons...

im outi

Roberth

[Epicurus]

i do not not take them because they are illegal, i dont take them because they fuck you up health wise, and ethical reasons...


Ethics?
Are you also against protein powder, creatine and vitamin pills? because that shit gives you an edge and can also fuck your health up if abused.

I don't agree. I for one wouldn't take em even if they were legal.
Unless I am missing another angle you may be addressing.


Steroids don't have negative health effects unless you abuse them or are just sensitive to them genetically--just like anything else.

The supplement industry is a billion dollar industry that essentially sells snake oil. There are a few decent products that work but the rest are unregulated, placebo cash cows.

They sell products that are advertised to have the effects of steroids, but in reality they don't do shit. All those XTREME fat burners and HARDCORE MUSCLE TEARING test-boosters are junk, yet people pay big bucks for them.

[Biggzy]

I think that sounds cool.

How do you measure your body fat %?

Hmm, I know at my gym they have trainers that will measure it for free using these caliper type things. I'm not sure how to do it yourself though. If you go to a university you should be able to get it done for free at the health center.

AzNSkater: Cool guys. Lets give it a couple weeks to wait for more people to see if they're interested. Then we can try and setup the rules, post the before pics, decide on a prize if any, etc.

[Soldier Zero]

They sell products that are advertised to have the effects of steroids, but in reality they don't do shit. All those XTREME fat burners and HARDCORE MUSCLE TEARING test-boosters are junk, yet people pay big bucks for them.

I don't pay big bucks for shit. :lol:

[iwst99]

I'm in...my main goal has been to get leaner and more definition, and build some more mass. I think i've seen those nike things being sold at my gym, wasn't sure what they were for though.

[Ryad]

Steroids don't have negative health effects unless you abuse them or are just sensitive to them genetically--just like anything else.

The supplement industry is a billion dollar industry that essentially sells snake oil. There are a few decent products that work but the rest are unregulated, placebo cash cows.

They sell products that are advertised to have the effects of steroids, but in reality they don't do shit. All those XTREME fat burners and HARDCORE MUSCLE TEARING test-boosters are junk, yet people pay big bucks for them.

Yeah I am aware of that, but long-term effects are still sketchy and rife with controversy. This uncertainty is what I am avoiding. I don't drink, smoke, or drink coffee for that matter. Coffee has its health benefits too but I would rather not develop a dependency on it and the source of its health benefits can be found elsewhere.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but when you stop using, isn't it very hard for you to maintain the gains achieved. Since muscle gained without steroids is proportional to the exercises performed however anabolic steroids allows the very rapid building of muscle at a much larger rate. When stopping, your body won't need all that muscle for the exercises you perfrom, so all that disproportionate gain is lost. If that is the case, the user will be hard-pressed to continue using it to maintain his body, making it a long-term commitment. That dependency and long-term commitment associated with it (and the shroud surrounding anabolic steroid long-term effects) is what I am avoiding.

If you could give me a link to research papers regarding a population study of moderate, high and non-steroid users and their long-term health conditions that does that would be helpful. Although controlling outside factors is pretty much impossible in population studies. Still, I can't find even one and I won't go believing either camp blindly, which leaves me no choice but to be safe than sorry.

Also, I thought it was a well known fact that nothing in the legal market works wonders l