-- Weightlifting & Nutrition Thread -- v9.0 Optimized

[mvsc2demon]

Protein and creatine are good, and they are not unhealthy. Also a multivitamin like Centrum Performance wouldnt hurt :bgrin:

[MagnusMadness]

Ok so I've finally gotten off my ass and going to the gym...I got my routine streight but always missing out on shoulder's...when should I work them out?

I currently do Chest/tricept, bicep/back, and legs. I don't know where to put my shoulder exercises

I've been going for about 5 months btw...seen some result. My chest has gotten a bit more defined and lost a lot of gut. Do I really need suplements? call me skeptical and misinformed but I think they are unhealthy

You can throw them in on any of those days...As shoulders get a lot of work on both chest and back days you wouldn't have to do alot for them....If I was to throw them in on chest day it would be two overhead pressing exercises and some form of reverse flies for the rear delts....don't worry about the frontal deltoid as it should be fatigued already....I would do chest first, then shoulders, then triceps....as tri's have gotten a ton of work already, two exercises should be enough at best....

If you add it to back do it after biceps and instead of reverse flies do upright rows or front raises as this time the rear delts have already taken a beating.

If you do them on leg day, be sure to hit all three heads and just go for it....only thing I would recommend is giving ample time between chest/back and shoulder workouts...Example....chest monday, back wednesday, legs/shoulders on friday.

Supps aren't bad for you. Hell even steroids aren't harmful to any sensible degree when used responsibly. I've finished my 2nd cycle with little to no sides and great gains in size and strength.

All Muscletech products suck. For creatine, i suggest higher-power or no-xplode. For great deals, go to bodybuilding.com they have the best prices on anything, their forums are great also.

Muscletech's products don't suck, they are very good...just overpriced...

[BloodRiotIori]

Heya, great thread, needed a bump~

Also, a quick question for the informed. I'm currently planning out a diet for mass lean/weight gain, and I'm planning out meals in terms of calories/proteins requirements and such. How do I measure how much calories/carbs/proteins are in foodstuffs like chicken, and fish? This would be for chicken and fish cooked in various ways (chicken usually roasted).

[ssjbrydon]

i find endurance is underrated these days. i have a friend who lifts weights a lot more than i do and can lift a little more than me, but i took his ass to the 400 yard sprint drill and he failed like ray charles in an eye exam. since then ive been wondering...

i dont study bodybuilders routines but i wonder how well in shape are these big 250+ lb all muscle guys? i cant see them being athletic at all.

[Steel Dragon]

Sup guys I'm new to this thread and was wondering if any one can post a good weekly routine for the upper body. I was thinking of trying Pitt's routine on the 1st page but I dont think some of those machines are available to me so can someone also give me alternative methods for those? i'll post back on whas not available.

[opticallyinviz]

I personally find Purple k to be by far the best creatine I've ever used. NO xplode is ok, but I really didn't find it to do very much.

some new personal bests in the gym lately though..

pressed 420...360 for sets
deads-450
squats 550

[MagnusMadness]

Heya, great thread, needed a bump~

Also, a quick question for the informed. I'm currently planning out a diet for mass lean/weight gain, and I'm planning out meals in terms of calories/proteins requirements and such. How do I measure how much calories/carbs/proteins are in foodstuffs like chicken, and fish? This would be for chicken and fish cooked in various ways (chicken usually roasted).

Grilled chicken and fish are pretty low in the calorie/carb department but high in protein. Grilled fish is excellent as it has omega 3 EFA's in it...which is why some people take fish oil or flaxseed oil as a supplement. First I need to know how much you weight, height and BF%...then I can figure what ur maintenance cals would be....then we go a little over that on a daily basis and spread ur cals/carbs/protein/fats out evenly over the course of 6 daily meals...and there's ur clean bulk...

i find endurance is underrated these days. i have a friend who lifts weights a lot more than i do and can lift a little more than me, but i took his ass to the 400 yard sprint drill and he failed like ray charles in an eye exam. since then ive been wondering...

i dont study bodybuilders routines but i wonder how well in shape are these big 250+ lb all muscle guys? i cant see them being athletic at all.


First off....being "in shape" is relative....if by in shape you mean cardiovascular endurance then it depends on how a person trains. Ur not going to find many bodybuilders who can run marathons, because excessive cardio is counterproductive to their goals. I will say this though....it's been proven that olympic powerlifters are faster than world class sprinters in the first 10 meters....due to their explosive or "dynamic effort" training methods.

Sup guys I'm new to this thread and was wondering if any one can post a good weekly routine for the upper body. I was thinking of trying Pitt's routine on the 1st page but I dont think some of those machines are available to me so can someone also give me alternative methods for those? i'll post back on whas not available.


A good routine would involve the use of free weights primarily. I can't just make up something outta nowhere though, as one routine could be drastically different than another and both be great workouts....I need to know how many days a week you plan on/can lift and how many of those days are going to be upper body and are you going to workout ur legs or not?? (you better) Also what is ur lifting experience?? Are you trying to gain mass or gain strength or a little bit of both?? Advanced routines/programs are best explained in detail in person at the gym...I could give you something basic with a little more info...

[mvsc2demon]

i found a great snack to make with sandwiches and its great. Its just around a buck in most stores. Its Called Brunswick. Its Boneless Herring Fillets. Just for one buck, it has 16g or protein and 1.0g of omega3 and just 130 calories. Just replace balogne/ham with it and add a slice of melted cheeese and you got a nice 300 calorie/30g protein sandwich. Also a protein shake with it wouldnt hurt.

[JuiceM0nkey]

JESUS CHRIST......if anybody has watched Mtv real life on steroids. All I have to say is those fucking 3 douche bags need to be shot.

Fucking what ever happened to just going to the gym and maximizing your own potential, then maybe after a few years think about getting on the gear!

Fucking people these days dont want to work hard for anything, they want the quick fix, sorry for the rant but you bodybuilders here will know what i'm taliking about!!!:annoy:

[DVD:madZ]

I heard that if you have a slow metabolism, taking steroids would be adding on excess calories. The guy told me just eating normal stuff is fine, like meat, nuts, etc. Is that true?

[Romie]

I heard that if you have a slow metabolism, taking steroids would be adding on excess calories. The guy told me just eating normal stuff is fine, like meat, nuts, etc. Is that true?

Using steroids you would probably need excess calories.

But yes, stay natural. I'd advise at least 5 years (if not more) lifting experience before even thinking about using. Then another couple months researching.

[opticallyinviz]

If not more.

[300 lb Eugene]

I recommend not using steriods at all...unless you want to walk around anxious and angry all the time while giving your heart a drug induced apotosis..

Not to mention .......um.......:tdown: down there...:sweat:...*ahem*...shrinking.:wonder:..err .....*cough*:shake:

[DVD:madZ]

Oh, I actually made a BIG typo...I meant protein (whey or any other for that matter, powder or some other form)...not steroids.

[orochi_shin]

I'm with Steel Dragon, I'm starting to do some serious weightlifting, but I really don't know what stuff to do. So far I'm mostly doing some benchpresses, and lot's of cardio. I'm 5'10, 221 lbs. I know I'm overweight, so I would love to lose some pounds and tone up a bit.

[Chaos]

Hey magnus tell me how gains kept. As detailed as you like and include your pct if you don't mind. To opticallyinviz what is your height/weight and are those lifts with or without lifting gear? Your bench is way out of proportion to your squat/dead is why I ask.

[Hurley Int.]

Man anybody take Muscle Milk protein? That stuff tastes soooo good and doesn't tear your stomach up. But I was wondering, is it an effective protein supplement for bulking up? Is there anything better that won't tear your stomach up?

[mightimao]

has anybody tried using "fat burners"?
i looked into hydroxycut, which uses an ECA (ephedrine - caffiene - aspirin) stack, which looks to be pretty effective.

i'm still bulking up now, but come spring time, i'm looking to start cutting.
would hydroxycut be an effective aid in stripping off the bodyfat?

any testimonials / reviews?

[Biggzy]

Man anybody take Muscle Milk protein? That stuff tastes soooo good and doesn't tear your stomach up. But I was wondering, is it an effective protein supplement for bulking up? Is there anything better that won't tear your stomach up?

I hear muscle milk is good for bulking. I'm currently taking ISOpure zerocarb whey protein, cuz I'm in the process of cutting now. So I guess it depends on what you want. but yeah i've heard good things about muscle milk.

Guy above me: I would not recommend fat burners, apparently they speed up your heart or some shit. Basically what it boils down to, is to stop being lazy. If you want to lose weight, start exercising and eating better.

[opticallyinviz]

im 205
i powerlift
and no i don't train with any gear, and i hate bench press shirts.

[mvsc2demon]

has anybody tried using "fat burners"?
i looked into hydroxycut, which uses an ECA (ephedrine - caffiene - aspirin) stack, which looks to be pretty effective.

i'm still bulking up now, but come spring time, i'm looking to start cutting.
would hydroxycut be an effective aid in stripping off the bodyfat?

any testimonials / reviews?
If you are going to try any, the only two I suggest is xenadrine efx, not nrg. And Lipo-6. I dont suggest any products from Muscletech. Some might work but they are overpiced and Lipo-6 is the best one out there right now. But yeah, if you are going to work out, just work out normally and instead of fat burners take other supplements like creatine, protein.

[Chaos]

OK interesting whenever I see big numbers on lifts other than deadlift you have to ask about gear because its getting ridiculous with 2-ply shirts and whatnot. Good numbers though congrats.

Secondly biggzy is completely clueless, fat burners are a necessary evil of weight loss below a certain point. If you are going to use one you want to have an ECA stack base, or just EC. Make sure you start at 1/3 or half daily doses and ramp up a bit to determine your personal reaction to the stimulants. And of course they ramp up your heart a bit, the way these things work is by raising basal metabolic levels. They are absolutely safe IF USED CORRECTLY, and probably less dangerous than most of the prescription non anti-biotic drugs you have taken in your life. They are NOT, however, a magic pill. Diet and cardio is still factor number one in weight loss.

[DaDesiCanadian]

I used to work out seriously, then somehow messed up my wrists. I stopped going to the gym for about 3 months, then went again, immediately started hurting again. My family doctor is a joke, "put ice on it". I'm gonna have to get x-rays or something done. Anyway, my question is, if i get them fixed up and start working out again does it take a long time to regain my previous strength? Is it like starting from scratch again, or are my muscles in some kind of retention? If it's a stupid question, sorry.:sweat:

[Pat the Great]

i've been lifting as a supplement to training boxing/muay thai/brazilian jiu jitsu, and i've been taking protein supplements and trying my best to eat as much as possible. i'm not really gaining weight though (6'3" 170lbs), and i'm considering trying to move up at least 10-20lbs because no one my height ever fights that light. thing is, i want it to be lean weight that, if possible, i can maintain with decent cardio. can anyone recommend a workout/nutrition regimen that can build me mass without compromising my cardio too badly?

[Biggzy]

OK interesting whenever I see big numbers on lifts other than deadlift you have to ask about gear because its getting ridiculous with 2-ply shirts and whatnot. Good numbers though congrats.

Secondly biggzy is completely clueless, fat burners are a necessary evil of weight loss below a certain point. If you are going to use one you want to have an ECA stack base, or just EC. Make sure you start at 1/3 or half daily doses and ramp up a bit to determine your personal reaction to the stimulants. And of course they ramp up your heart a bit, the way these things work is by raising basal metabolic levels. They are absolutely safe IF USED CORRECTLY, and probably less dangerous than most of the prescription non anti-biotic drugs you have taken in your life. They are NOT, however, a magic pill. Diet and cardio is still factor number one in weight loss.

Don't listen to this fuckin moron. He's one of those guys who probably buys gear from GNC, hahahahaha. Stay away from fat burners.

[Chaos]

Bigzy anyone in this thread who knows anything knows I've forgotten more about nutrition, bodybuilding and physiology than you know. Unless your ready to talk metabolic pathways then don't argue about fat burners. Its really annoying trying to help people when you are giving alternative advice out of your ass without the slightest clue as to what your talking about except for some hearsay bullshit you probably learned from your high school coach, if you were even athlete enough to make it past JV with all the rest of the wanna-be lifters.

[Biggzy]

Bigzy anyone in this thread who knows anything knows I've forgotten more about nutrition, bodybuilding and physiology than you know. Unless your ready to talk metabolic pathways then don't argue about fat burners. Its really annoying trying to help people when you are giving alternative advice out of your ass without the slightest clue as to what your talking about except for some hearsay bullshit you probably learned from your high school coach, if you were even athlete enough to make it past JV with all the rest of the wanna-be lifters.

You're right. Go ahead and take fat burners everyone, they're safe.

[Chaos]

Ok then please detail to me why they are not. Do you even know what is in the majority of these products? The catagories of them? Which work and which don't? Making an assinine statement like "fat burners aren't safe" is like saying "pain killers aren't safe". There are a broad range of products involved. Please enlighten us with something other than two sentence answers, and don't put in pseudoscience bullshit you read in the paper. Everyone is waiting, so put up or shut up.

[opticallyinviz]

Most fat burners aren't any worse for you than being fat is.

[Biggzy]

Ok then please detail to me why they are not. Do you even know what is in the majority of these products? The catagories of them? Which work and which don't? Making an assinine statement like "fat burners aren't safe" is like saying "pain killers aren't safe". There are a broad range of products involved. Please enlighten us with something other than two sentence answers, and don't put in pseudoscience bullshit you read in the paper. Everyone is waiting, so put up or shut up.

Well since fat burners speed up your heart rate unnaturally, that in its self is not healthy. People with heart palpitations, can have it lead to arrythmia or paroxysmal supraventricular tachycardia amongst other heart conditions. But what do I know, its not like I went to Med school or anything :wink: Now take a fucking walk you stupid hillbilly.

[Chaos]

Wow you google something and put it in here and now your a scientist. But y ou missed the point where the definition of paroxysmal (occasional) tachycardia (fast heartbeat) is one of the basic defining byproducts of SOME fat burners. So taking something that elevates heartrate can give you occasional elevated heartrate............REALLY?? Furthermore the condition doesn't even warrant concern unless there are underlying heart conditions like septal or valve defects, etc.

Your arguement against people with predisposing risk factors taking them is also ridiculous. As with any supplement there are groups of people who should not take them, and stating health risks to these people is like saying someone who just had triple bypass surgery shouldn't run the 400 meters for fun.

Any arguement about the relative risk associated with taking any substance should begin with the assumption that the people who will be taking it will be in a proper state of health to do so, and will take it as is directed. And again, and since you are utterly inable to provide contrary evidence, FAT BURNERS TAKEN AS DIRECTED BY PEOPLE WITHOUT PREDISPOSED CONDITIONS ARE SAFE. Refute that please.

[Biggzy]

Wow you google something and put it in here and now your a scientist. But y ou missed the point where the definition of paroxysmal (occasional) tachycardia (fast heartbeat) is one of the basic defining byproducts of SOME fat burners. So taking something that elevates heartrate can give you occasional elevated heartrate............REALLY?? Furthermore the condition doesn't even warrant concern unless there are underlying heart conditions like septal or valve defects, etc.

Your arguement against people with predisposing risk factors taking them is also ridiculous. As with any supplement there are groups of people who should not take them, and stating health risks to these people is like saying someone who just had triple bypass surgery shouldn't run the 400 meters for fun.

Any arguement about the relative risk associated with taking any substance should begin with the assumption that the people who will be taking it will be in a proper state of health to do so, and will take it as is directed. And again, and since you are utterly inable to provide contrary evidence, FAT BURNERS TAKEN AS DIRECTED BY PEOPLE WITHOUT PREDISPOSED CONDITIONS ARE SAFE. Refute that please.

REFUTE THE FACT THAT FAT BURNERS SPEED UP YOUR HEART RATE. REFUTE THE FACT THAT SPEEDING UP YOUR HEART RATE AT REST/WITHOUT DOING SOME TYPE OF AEROBIC ACTIVITY IS UNNATURAL AND UNHEALTHY.

Theres no point in arguing with you cuz you're obviously an idiot. So everyone take fat burners, they're safe just like cocaine. You can't even fucking spell and you're giving me a lesson in dietetics and nutrition. Get the fuck outta here. You wanna lose weight? Stop being lazy.

[Chaos]

There is no reason to assume that elevated heart rate in an otherwise healthy individual is any reason for concern. Merely becoming more cardiovascularly fit will decrease your resting heartrate, so do you think any increase is some catastrophic side effect? As long as your elevated heart rate is within normal limits then you are perfectly fine. A 5 BPM increase in pulse is of no consequence to someone who is not near borderline levels anyway. There have been NO documented cases of ephedra causing anything approaching death in healthy individuals taking recommended dosages. Do you take OTC allergy medication? Surprise basically all of them contain ephedra/alkaloids that have the same effect on heart rate. Unless you raise basal metabolic levels your going to have hell getting below a certain BF level.

Its painfully obvious that you can't provide any reason not to take fat burners. Again who said everyone should take fat burners? I said they would become necessary as your body approaches plateau points, which are a physiological fact. You called me an idiot. I said provide me with one reason to consider them unfsafe if taken correctly, you called me an idiot. I have stated that diet and cardio are the keys, yet you act like I'm saying they are unimportant. You compare ECA stacks and the like to cocaine.

The challenge still stands, give me one reason fat burners aren't safe if taken as directed by healthy individuals. One. And heres a hint, don't use google or whatever to find some medical terminology and think its going over my head.

[Biggzy]

There is no reason to assume that elevated heart rate in an otherwise healthy individual is any reason for concern. Merely becoming more cardiovascularly fit will decrease your resting heartrate, so do you think any increase is some catastrophic side effect? As long as your elevated heart rate is within normal limits then you are perfectly fine. A 5 BPM increase in pulse is of no consequence to someone who is not near borderline levels anyway. There have been NO documented cases of ephedra causing anything approaching death in healthy individuals taking recommended dosages. Do you take OTC allergy medication? Surprise basically all of them contain ephedra/alkaloids that have the same effect on heart rate. Unless you raise basal metabolic levels your going to have hell getting below a certain BF level.

Its painfully obvious that you can't provide any reason not to take fat burners. Again who said everyone should take fat burners? I said they would become necessary as your body approaches plateau points, which are a physiological fact. You called me an idiot. I said provide me with one reason to consider them unfsafe if taken correctly, you called me an idiot. I have stated that diet and cardio are the keys, yet you act like I'm saying they are unimportant. You compare ECA stacks and the like to cocaine.

The challenge still stands, give me one reason fat burners aren't safe if taken as directed by healthy individuals. One. And heres a hint, don't use google or whatever to find some medical terminology and think its going over my head.

I already went over your head, then you tried to use words like "argument" which you couldn't even spell. Then you expect me or anyone else to take the advice or information from someone who can't spell an otherwise common everyday word. Come now.

Then lets take a look at this statement shall we "There have been NO documented cases of ephedra causing anything approaching death in healthy individuals taking recommended dosages"...Well thats reassuring. I say they're not HEALTHY and unsafe, you begin talking about life and death. HAHAHAHA what does that tell you.

Oh and you may wanna use GOOGLE before you come on here making up facts.

Just some reads for ya chiefton.

http://www.ultimatefatburner.com/supplements/xenadrine-rfa1-review.html

http://exercise.about.com/cs/exercisehealth/a/fatburners.htm

http://www.annecollins.com/lose_weight/fat-burners.htm

And I also happen to love this title from CBS NEWS

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/17/eveningnews/main540848.shtml

Owned twice in one day.

[Romie]

I already went over your head, then you tried to use words like "argument" which you couldn't even spell. Then you expect me or anyone else to take the advice or information from someone who can't spell an otherwise common everyday word. Come now.

Then lets take a look at this statement shall we "There have been NO documented cases of ephedra causing anything approaching death in healthy individuals taking recommended dosages"...Well thats reassuring. I say they're not HEALTHY and unsafe, you begin talking about life and death. HAHAHAHA what does that tell you.

Oh and you may wanna use GOOGLE before you come on here making up facts.

Just some reads for ya chiefton.

http://www.ultimatefatburner.com/supplements/xenadrine-rfa1-review.html

http://exercise.about.com/cs/exercisehealth/a/fatburners.htm

http://www.annecollins.com/lose_weight/fat-burners.htm

And I also happen to love this title from CBS NEWS

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/17/eveningnews/main540848.shtml

Owned twice in one day.

Ephedra didn't kill the pitcher. It even said in the article he had other medical problems.

Ephedra is safe to take in the reccomended doseages, as with steroids. Congress overhypes things like this in order for it to get banned. Ephedra is safe if you don't already have underlying health problems. The only problem with these drugs is they can be fatal is they're abused. Taken properly they're safe.

[Chaos]

Wow. I type these things as fast as I can and don't go through them with spell checker, and thats your best ammo. Whenever someone goes to spelling its obvious they have no real factual basis to their claims. All you have is some overhyped idiocy about the ephedra ban, the exact kind of pseudoscience I was talking about. So now everything we read on the news is safe? LMAO.

You are a product of a culture that believes everything it reads yet is to lazy for the hard work of information gathering to understand an issue. Nothing you have presented is in the least bit scientific, its from chicken little websites with 40 year old women piling on the issue of the day without the slightest bit of an idea about what they speak. Face it you can't argue the issue intelligently so you run off and google stuff and put it in here, but nothing is from a reputed scientific or medical source.

As for ephedra killing that pitcher, he and his family should go to hell. He was 20-30 pounds over his last years playing weight, he was taking 3-4 times dosages recommended and he was wearing rubber weight loss gear while exercising. That is him commiting suicide, not ephedra killing him.

Also now the two people who post the most in here intelligently have shot you down, and I'm sure Magnus will be along shortly to pile on you dipshit.

[opticallyinviz]

Dude, I hope no one lays you out an eating plan to gain weight.

I do that shit for a living and it's $100 a person.

[Biggzy]

Wow. I type these things as fast as I can and don't go through them with spell checker, and thats your best ammo. Whenever someone goes to spelling its obvious they have no real factual basis to their claims. All you have is some overhyped idiocy about the ephedra ban, the exact kind of pseudoscience I was talking about. So now everything we read on the news is safe? LMAO.

You are a product of a culture that believes everything it reads yet is to lazy for the hard work of information gathering to understand an issue. Nothing you have presented is in the least bit scientific, its from chicken little websites with 40 year old women piling on the issue of the day without the slightest bit of an idea about what they speak. Face it you can't argue the issue intelligently so you run off and google stuff and put it in here, but nothing is from a reputed scientific or medical source.

As for ephedra killing that picture, he and his family should go to hell. He was 20-30 pounds over his last years playing weight, he was taking 3-4 times dosages recommended and he was wearing rubber weight loss gear while exercising. That is him commiting suicide, not ephedra killing him.

Also now the two people who post the most in here intelligently have shot you down, and I'm sure Magnus will be along shortly to pile on you dipshit.

Yeah man, those chicken little websites like CBS NEWS, they have no idea what they're talking about :rolleyes:.

You take weight loss pills and be a lazy whiny shit, and I'll do it the natural healthy way. Theres no point in arguing any further. You can google your shit for days. "ephedra death" is a classic one. I could pull up 50 other websites that tells you ephedra is no good for you. But you're right, lets all rely on the knowledge of "Chaos" from Alabama, than a broken down wannabe news station like CBS :wink:.

[Chaos]

Find peer reviewed medical journals or studies that say ephedra is unsafe for usage by healthy individuals or shut up. You don't know the difference between "news" and "fact". They are vastly different. The people writing these articles have no scientific qualifications, they are journalists who pick up whatever the hell is the hot button issue and run with it. The ONLY acceptable evidence to argue a point is a peer reviewed medical journal or scientific study. Not whatever propoganda the news people report. Open your fucking eyes and investigate the issue factually not by whatever your computer spits out. Editorial columns are not evidence, I can find tons of editorials that believe in UFO's and bigfoot.

Just who the hell are you anyway? What percentage bodyfat have you been at? What is your height/weight? How old are you? As far as I know your 150 lb. moron posting behind internet obscurity. I have been seen by dozens of people on this board who will attest that I'm a decently sized guy and have had many discussions on this board which prove that I'm in the know about diet and nutrition. Romie and I have discussed matters in this thread and the old one many times. Could you even follow the discussion of Magnus and I about PCT? You have no credentials and no crediblity period. If you doubted me listen to romie.

Unless you step up to the plate with legitimate information I'm through with you. All these "ephedra deaths" you refer to are a result of either

1. Product misuse (overdosing or using with blatantly defined pre-existing conditions)
2. Usage by individuals on other substances as well which make cause of death far from an open and shut case
or
3. Useage by people who were obese to begin with which is already killing their hearts.

Find some acceptable cases that don't meet this criteria and you have grounds for discussion. Quoting internet websites for truth is the epitomy of ineffectual debate. OH and btw almost all fat burners are ephedra free these days as it has been banned, so your entire arguement about ephedra is pointless you idiot. But you knew that already. Know what ephedrine is? HCL? Get a clue you arrogant prick and engage reality.

[Biggzy]

Find peer reviewed medical journals or studies that say ephedra is unsafe for usage by healthy individuals or shut up. You don't know the difference between "news" and "fact". They are vastly different. The people writing these articles have no scientific qualifications, they are journalists who pick up whatever the hell is the hot button issue and run with it. The ONLY acceptable evidence to argue a point is a peer reviewed medical journal or scientific study. Not whatever propoganda the news people report. Open your fucking eyes and investigate the issue factually not by whatever your computer spits out. Editorial columns are not evidence, I can find tons of editorials that believe in UFO's and bigfoot.

Just who the hell are you anyway? What percentage bodyfat have you been at? What is your height/weight? How old are you? As far as I know your 150 lb. moron posting behind internet obscurity. I have been seen by dozens of people on this board who will attest that I'm a decently sized guy and have had many discussions on this board which prove that I'm in the know about diet and nutrition. Romie and I have discussed matters in this thread and the old one many times. Could you even follow the discussion of Magnus and I about PCT? You have no credentials and no crediblity period. If you doubted me listen to romie.

Unless you step up to the plate with legitimate information I'm through with you. All these "ephedra deaths" you refer to are a result of either

1. Product misuse (overdosing or using with blatantly defined pre-existing conditions)
2. Usage by individuals on other substances as well which make cause of death far from an open and shut case
or
3. Useage by people who were obese to begin with which is already killing their hearts.

Find some acceptable cases that don't meet this criteria and you have grounds for discussion. Quoting internet websites for truth is the epitomy of ineffectual debate. OH and btw almost all fat burners are ephedra free these days as it has been banned, so your entire arguement about ephedra is pointless you idiot. But you knew that already. Know what ephedrine is? HCL? Get a clue you arrogant prick and engage reality.

I'm too lazy to read all that crap. So until you post up some information saying its 100% safe, shut your fuckin mouth.

[Romie]

I'm too lazy to read all that crap. So until you post up some information saying its 100% safe, shut your fuckin mouth.

Come up with studies saying it isn't safe.

In Utah the ban on ephedra was lifted because the government couldn't prove that it was a direct cause related to the deaths of athletes.

I doubt you could do better than the government.

[darthJones]

I am looking for a GOOD TASTING protein shake. Anyone have any suggestions? I used to use Grow! by Biotest but they do not produce it any more. I am almost through with my last container so I need an alternative. I am not interested in a shake that facilitates weight loss as I have no trouble losing weight. I'm one of those "lucky" people that has a hard time gaining anything.

[ChaosNightWolf]

Chaos is my hero

[DVD:madZ]

I started looking into muscle milk, but the fat content in it is through the roof! I'm wondering what good, widely avaliable protein powders are there that have a low fat content?

[Romie]

To both questions, Isopure. Look into their flavors.

[TehNewGuy]

What do liquid egg whites taste like? I heard they are tasteless and I can add them to my milk. If thats true, im probably gonna substitute these in instead of protein shakes.

[Taito]

Hey can someone offer advice for what to eat throughout the day while I'm at work? I'm in shape (not in peak physical condition but yeah), but I'd like to add some mass for all the time I'm gonna spend on the beach later this year.. my workout scheme is not bad but I'd say my biggest weakness is my inconsistent diet.. it was only recently that I found a whey protien shake that didn't destroy my lactose-intolerant stomach, and I really don't eat as frequently as I should.. anyway here's what I have planned so far but it's pretty rough:

7:30-- Scrambled eggs, oatmeal, fruits
9:00 or so-- Shake (30g of whey)
10-ish--Shake
Lunch at 11:00--Something with chicken breast or tuna in it
1:30 or 2:00-- Shake
After work-- Creatine + fruit juice
After workout-- Post-workout shake
Dinner-- Some kind of dinner.. I dunno, I don't really eat a lot at worknights, so I'm usually good with a sandwich wrap
before bed--shake

Oh and I weigh 180 lbs

What else can I add to this? What else can I eat for lunch or dinner?

[MagnusMadness]

CHAOS

My PCT just involved nolvadex this go around, I couldn't get my hands on any HCG this time but next time PCT will involve Nolv, HCG, Aromasin (steroidal aromatise inhibitor, and isn't made less effective when used in conjunction with Nolv post cycle) and Vitamin E (yes vitamin fuckin E)

I gained a little over 20 pounds this cycle and only lost 6 post cycle....I'm now around 5 weeks out too so I think I'll hold this weight easily until the next cycle....this cycle was relatively low dosed and prolly a poor choice of compounds and pct was a little lax so in light of everything I'm quite satisfied with the results....

As of today I put an inch on both arms, calves and neck, and 2 inches on my chest and thighs....waist stayed exactly the same, very pleased with that...

and of course since I took a conservative, educated approach to this cycle there were in fact......NO SIDES.

I'll post a link to the article on PCT at the bottom but this is what I'm going to do for my next PCT and I'll explain why.

Starting 1 week after the last injection:
Nolv: 20mg/day
Aromasin: 20mg/day
HCG: 500 IU's/day
Vitamin E: 1000IU's/day

Alright supposedly megadosing on Nolv does absolutely nothing...they found 20mgs/day to be the most a person needs and any more than that just doesn't do anything else except increase the risk of sides, for those of you that don't know nolvadex is a weak estrogen that competes for space at receptor sites to keep free floating estrogen from causing unwanted, estrogen related side effects post cycle and also promotes the natural production of testosterone by way of HPTA recovery....nolvadex IS superior to clomid

aromasin is a AI that isn't made less effective when used in conjunction with nolvadex post cycle and prevents the conversion of roughly 60-85% of androgens to estrogen....leaving enough estrogen in the body because some estrogen is needed for healthy joints among other things....aromasin also promotes natural test production.

HCG mimics LH which is what tells the leudig cells in the testes to produce testosterone and by flooding the body with this post cycle you will not only increase natural test levels more quickly but also cause a quicker return of size in the atrophied testes.

Vitamin E supposedly works in conjunction with HCG....allowing you to use slightly higher doses (500 iu's daily as opposed to 300 iu's) Leudig cell desensitization WAS addressed in the article which leads me to believe that the recommended dosages would in fact not be too much.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=58630

And chaos is in medical school as well and knows his shit like no other.

And the word "safe" is a relative term...How many people die in car wrecks daily?? Have they banned driving??

and another thing.....IF YOU HAVE NEVER DONE A CYCLE AND ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU SAW ON MTV AND WHAT YOUR FRIENDS TOLD YOU.....then shut the fuck up. Because you know nothing and have no means of carrying an intelligent conversation in relation to gear or pct.

[Biggzy]

CHAOS

My PCT just involved nolvadex this go around, I couldn't get my hands on any HCG this time but next time PCT will involve Nolv, HCG, Aromasin (steroidal aromatise inhibitor, and isn't made less effective when used in conjunction with Nolv post cycle) and Vitamin E (yes vitamin fuckin E)

I gained a little over 20 pounds this cycle and only lost 6 post cycle....I'm now around 5 weeks out too so I think I'll hold this weight easily until the next cycle....this cycle was relatively low dosed and prolly a poor choice of compounds and pct was a little lax so in light of everything I'm quite satisfied with the results....

As of today I put an inch on both arms, calves and neck, and 2 inches on my chest and thighs....waist stayed exactly the same, very pleased with that...

and of course since I took a conservative, educated approach to this cycle there were in fact......NO SIDES.

I'll post a link to the article on PCT at the bottom but this is what I'm going to do for my next PCT and I'll explain why.

Starting 1 week after the last injection:
Nolv: 20mg/day
Aromasin: 20mg/day
HCG: 500 IU's/day
Vitamin E: 1000IU's/day

Alright supposedly megadosing on Nolv does absolutely nothing...they found 20mgs/day to be the most a person needs and any more than that just doesn't do anything else except increase the risk of sides, for those of you that don't know nolvadex is a weak estrogen that competes for space at receptor sites to keep free floating estrogen from causing unwanted, estrogen related side effects post cycle and also promotes the natural production of testosterone by way of HPTA recovery....nolvadex IS superior to clomid

aromasin is a AI that isn't made less effective when used in conjunction with nolvadex post cycle and prevents the conversion of roughly 60-85% of androgens to estrogen....leaving enough estrogen in the body because some estrogen is needed for healthy joints among other things....aromasin also promotes natural test production.

HCG mimics LH which is what tells the leudig cells in the testes to produce testosterone and by flooding the body with this post cycle you will not only increase natural test levels more quickly but also cause a quicker return of size in the atrophied testes.

Vitamin E supposedly works in conjunction with HCG....allowing you to use slightly higher doses (500 iu's daily as opposed to 300 iu's) Leudig cell desensitization WAS addressed in the article which leads me to believe that the recommended dosages would in fact not be too much.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=58630

And chaos is in medical school as well and knows his shit like no other.

And the word "safe" is a relative term...How many people die in car wrecks daily?? Have they banned driving??

and another thing.....IF YOU HAVE NEVER DONE A CYCLE AND ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU SAW ON MTV AND WHAT YOUR FRIENDS TOLD YOU.....then shut the fuck up. Because you know nothing and have no means of carrying an intelligent conversation in relation to gear or pct.


HAHA you're a pussy, you can't get big without cheating.

[MagnusMadness]

HAHA you're a pussy, you can't get big without cheating.

Are you serious?? What kind of ignorant kid are you?? I plan to go pro in the next two years so you can suck my ass. I'm not some child who wants to look good in a sleeveless shirt, this is my career and my passion here.

Anyone who refers to gear as "cheating" is completely ignorant on the subject and falls under the "I shouldn't post because I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about" category...

[Biggzy]

Are you serious?? What kind of ignorant kid are you?? I plan to go pro in the next two years so you can suck my ass. I'm not some child who wants to look good in a sleeveless shirt, this is my career and my passion here.

Anyone who refers to gear as "cheating" is completely ignorant on the subject and falls under the "I shouldn't post because I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about" category...

HAHAHAHAHAHA POST OF THE YEAR, you wanna go pro, and you can't even put together a decent post cycle treatment. Keep dreaming there chiefton.

[MagnusMadness]

HAHAHAHAHAHA POST OF THE YEAR, you wanna go pro, and you can't even put together a decent post cycle treatment. Keep dreaming there chiefton.

And what would you recommend?? Seriously....I'm always open to new suggestions as we are all still learning...so enlighten us and provide links to research studies and/or medical journals...

FYI, pro's don't cycle off....maintenance doses is good enough for them...most get blood work done every six weeks...I have quoted some pro's as saying more than 4 weeks off is too much and placed no emphasis on PCT.

Chaos, back me up here...you have seen me and how far I've come in just this past year alone...

[Romie]

<---:amazed:

My camera phone sucks.

[MagnusMadness]

<---:amazed:

My camera phone sucks.

Good work man. Lookin pretty huge there...what are your stats?

What kinda program are you on right now??

I just started alternating periodization today, I think I'm really going to like it...

What's the matter biggzy?? Still no response?? Google not have shit on a solid PCT or something?? What does ur training look like?? Ever done a cycle??? What compounds did you use?? What did ur PCT look like?? How does ur diet look? What are your stats??

[Romie]

5'8"

About 225lbs.

I haven't worked out since August, I had surgery. I'm going to start again in the beginning of Feb.

[opticallyinviz]

no offense but you do show some signs of not having worked out
but i had surgery today so im gonna be having the same shit soon.

[Romie]

Yea, I'm smooth. Still look good in a shirt though.

[opticallyinviz]

that's all that matters
i dread not being able to work out, but better saving my back now then not being able to walk when im 30. what was your surgery?

and i supplement news i stocked up on a bunch of superdrol today cause i got lucky to find some; so im going to sell it for a great profit once there's absolutely none left to be found.

[Biggzy]

that's all that matters
i dread not being able to work out, but better saving my back now then not being able to walk when im 30. what was your surgery?

and i supplement news i stocked up on a bunch of superdrol today cause i got lucky to find some; so im going to sell it for a great profit once there's absolutely none left to be found.

Uhhh, they're selling superdrol at bulknutrition :confused:.

[Romie]

that's all that matters
i dread not being able to work out, but better saving my back now then not being able to walk when im 30. what was your surgery?

and i supplement news i stocked up on a bunch of superdrol today cause i got lucky to find some; so im going to sell it for a great profit once there's absolutely none left to be found.

Abscess in my chest. Stitches ripped open so I'm waiting for it to heal.

I hope everything turns out well.

[MagnusMadness]

that's all that matters
i dread not being able to work out, but better saving my back now then not being able to walk when im 30. what was your surgery?

and i supplement news i stocked up on a bunch of superdrol today cause i got lucky to find some; so im going to sell it for a great profit once there's absolutely none left to be found.

So steriods are bad unless ur 30, but pro hormones are ok??

[VXT]

Hey I've searched the thread but could have possibly missed it (being 15 pages and all), but around what body fat % would you start seeing a six-pack?

[Romie]

Hey I've searched the thread but could have possibly missed it (being 15 pages and all), but around what body fat % would you start seeing a six-pack?

12% for most.




I plan on starting again tomorrow. Some major cutting to do, never too early to look good for the summer.

[MagnusMadness]

12% for most.




I plan on starting again tomorrow. Some major cutting to do, never too early to look good for the summer.

Good luck man, I'm starting just a lil now and when I start my next cycle I might try some t3 and clen and really cut the cals

And 12 pocent is where you'll START to see some definition, but maybe not a six pack, depending on ur body composition.....me personally....I ONLY carry fat in my tummy....so the six pack will be the last thing to come for me I'm sure..

[opticallyinviz]

Never said I was taking them, I can't I have to get tested for tht stuff.

I said I'm going to sell it.

Read.

And clen is garbage, why would you even bother?

[kal el]

12% for most.




I plan on starting again tomorrow. Some major cutting to do, never too early to look good for the summer.

indeed!

this is me right now. i'm 5'8, about 198 lbs. i wanna get to a good, solid, ripped 180ish.

http://images3.pictiger.com/images/72/a8f1a2fc26e6f04736c749d8f80a3a72.jpg (http://www.pictiger.com/)

i haven't been on any supplements at all (save for a multi-vitamin) for the last 3 months. they're just damn expensive! but once i get some saved for those, i'ma get some.

can anyone recommend a good list of stuff to get? my goals are to gain strength without sacrificing symmetry. so some more muscle, but i don't wanna look too short due to width.

:rock:

[TehNewGuy]

lol...I still take flinstone vitamins because everything else tastes like Satan's asshole

[300 lb Eugene]

The Trim Spa Challenge ofically begins today........

So from now and 90 days later I have to show results.
My goal is to go from 19-21%% bodyfat to 9-10%.

[Romie]

indeed!

this is me right now. i'm 5'8, about 198 lbs. i wanna get to a good, solid, ripped 180ish.

http://images3.pictiger.com/images/72/a8f1a2fc26e6f04736c749d8f80a3a72.jpg (http://www.pictiger.com/)

i haven't been on any supplements at all (save for a multi-vitamin) for the last 3 months. they're just damn expensive! but once i get some saved for those, i'ma get some.

can anyone recommend a good list of stuff to get? my goals are to gain strength without sacrificing symmetry. so some more muscle, but i don't wanna look too short due to width.

:rock:

Multi and protien. That's pretty much all you need to cut.

[MagnusMadness]

Never said I was taking them, I can't I have to get tested for tht stuff.

I said I'm going to sell it.

Read.

And clen is garbage, why would you even bother?


Why would you get tested for pro hormones?? And I did READ, but selling something is condoning it's use...

Clen is garbage?? It has protein sparing, anti catabolic properties....for someone on anabolics this is a very good thing...throw in some t3 and use in conjunction with compounds that support LBM gains without fatty deposits...cut cals...and boom shredded in less than 12 weeks...

My next cycle starts in March and will be prop/tren acetate EOD....2cc's prop, 1cc tren. Mon/wed/fri....for 8 to 10 weeks.

[300 lb Eugene]

Heres me at 290 something...{how old is this?:sad:}

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/supersoniccheesy/2005.jpg

[opticallyinviz]

uh cause im a powerlifter?
clen for 8 to the 10 weeks?
why are you doing on mon/wed/fri exactly?
I'd be going for a 2 week cycle, and no more because of how fast the body adpats to clen.
there are reasons beyond adrenal downregulation for limiting adminstration of clenbuterol to two weeks, cardiac hypertrophy, coronary artery spasm, and thrombosis being the first that come to mind. The case for the interaction between H1 antagonism and inhibition of beta-adrenergic receptor densitization is pretty stretched. .. A better solution would probably be to use clenbuterol for SEVEN DAYS on, followed by a NON-STIMULANT (say MM4) burner for seven days, and then back to the clen. Given the half-life of the drug, you will be burning well into the second week while allowing for SOME receptor 'clean-up'.

[MagnusMadness]

uh cause im a powerlifter?
clen for 8 to the 10 weeks?
why are you doing on mon/wed/fri exactly?
I'd be going for a 2 week cycle, and no more because of how fast the body adpats to clen.
there are reasons beyond adrenal downregulation for limiting adminstration of clenbuterol to two weeks, cardiac hypertrophy, coronary artery spasm, and thrombosis being the first that come to mind. The case for the interaction between H1 antagonism and inhibition of beta-adrenergic receptor densitization is pretty stretched. .. A better solution would probably be to use clenbuterol for SEVEN DAYS on, followed by a NON-STIMULANT (say MM4) burner for seven days, and then back to the clen. Given the half-life of the drug, you will be burning well into the second week while allowing for SOME receptor 'clean-up'.


Whoa there....the clen will be 2 weeks on 2 weeks off...for reasons you already stated...the prop/tren cycle will be 8-10 weeks...10 weeks if sides aren't bad...but tren can be harsh...and for the cycle the injections will be EOD (every other day) or mon/wed/fri...

And you get drug tested for powerlifting?? Is it the same testing for bodybuilding?? Cuz we both know IFBB pro's aren't natural by any means...

[opticallyinviz]

ah that's not so bad then, should work well. clen is strong but you adapt to it and then it does nothing but drain your bank account.
yeah 10 weeks on tren might be tough to pull off unless you're lucky and dont get any sides going on.
ive heard some people say liquid clen is a bit unpredictable; but others have found it just fine; not something i think i'd every try though.

[Romie]

Whoa there....the clen will be 2 weeks on 2 weeks off...for reasons you already stated...the prop/tren cycle will be 8-10 weeks...10 weeks if sides aren't bad...but tren can be harsh...and for the cycle the injections will be EOD (every other day) or mon/wed/fri...

And you get drug tested for powerlifting?? Is it the same testing for bodybuilding?? Cuz we both know IFBB pro's aren't natural by any means...

Depends on the division. The naturals get tested.

[MagnusMadness]

ah that's not so bad then, should work well. clen is strong but you adapt to it and then it does nothing but drain your bank account.
yeah 10 weeks on tren might be tough to pull off unless you're lucky and dont get any sides going on.
ive heard some people say liquid clen is a bit unpredictable; but others have found it just fine; not something i think i'd every try though.

The great thing about this cycle is I'm only using short esters and the compounds are limited to 2...so if I'm seeing sides like bloat/water retention or early signs of gyno I know it's the prop, cuz tren doesn't aromatise....so I can just throw in an AI like aromasin or arimidex ( I may use one of them from the start) And if I must, I can just abort the cycle all together and since they both have short half lifes it will be out of my system really fast...

Wish me luck....this cycle will be pretty hardcore...more than I've ever done..

[Chaos]

The lamest people in the world are those who use and enter natty competitions after the esters clear. These are the truely insecure people....

[300 lb Eugene]

I say, people at Golds Gym must have ADD.
Do they really have to scream when they lift weights? :lol:
I was doing chest press and some random guy comes up and goes "hey Can I get a rep
in with ya?"
Theres about 5 other Chest press machines and he wants to use the weights in using, then he picks it up and starts lifting and yelling..

" YAAARAAAHH!!!" "AAAHHH!!" "RAAAAHA!!"

(translation)

"I WANT ATTENTION!!!! LOOK AT MEE, LOOK AT MEE, LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!"
:lame: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Mr Mort]

I say, people at Golds Gym must have ADD.
Do they really have to scream when they lift weights? :lol:
I was doing chest press and some random guy comes up and goes "hey Can I get a rep
in with ya?"
Theres about 5 other Chest press machines and he wants to use the weights in using, then he picks it up and starts lifting and yelling..

" YAAARAAAHH!!!" "AAAHHH!!" "RAAAAHA!!"

(translation)

"I WANT ATTENTION!!!! LOOK AT MEE, LOOK AT MEE, LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!"
:lame: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Shit, I know what you mean. This dude was on flat bench yelling his ass off, and I'm thinking he must be benching 300+, and when I turn and look, he's a stick figure beching 135! :lol: I'm all for exhaling as you push/pull, but c'mon...
I don't know what's worse, the show offs, or the fucking new year's resolosers. They have no fucking concept of gym etiquette; working out directly in front of dumbell racks, sitting at a piece of equipment and just talking on their cell, filling up their water bottle at a water fountain with a line of people behind them waiting, etc. I hate this time of year. It's crowded full of people who have no hope because they lack the willpower and discipline to stick with any kind of regimen.

[MagnusMadness]

I say, people at Golds Gym must have ADD.
Do they really have to scream when they lift weights? :lol:


I recommend not using steriods at all...unless you want to walk around anxious and angry all the time while giving your heart a drug induced apotosis..

Not to mention .......um.......:tdown: down there...:sweat:...*ahem*...shrinking.:wonder:..err .....*cough*:shake:

Stupid comments like these two really just piss me off. Do you really think Gold's is the only gym with screamers??

And the comment on steroids...have you ever done a cycle?? I can answer that....NO...otherwise you would know the difference between anger and being aggressive....and anxiety is a side effect of gear now too?? That's news to me...And giving ur heart a drug induced apotosis??? Medical studies I've read state that although the left ventricle can become TEMPORARILY enlarged, heart function remained UNAFFECTED...

And shrinkage of what? If ur speaking of testicular atrophy then yes that sometimes happens on longer cycles...but compounds like HCG combat such, but ur dick doesn't shrink at all...and ur sex drive goes thru the roof...

[Hoonyo]

does anyone have a bowflex

[300 lb Eugene]

Stupid comments like these two really just piss me off. Do you really think Gold's is the only gym with screamers??

No...But thats where I workout at . I didnt say Gold was the only gym filled with screaming.


And the comment on steroids...have you ever done a cycle?? I can answer that....NO...otherwise you would know the difference between anger and being aggressive....and anxiety is a side effect of gear now too?? That's news to me...And giving ur heart a drug induced apotosis??? Medical studies I've read state that although the left ventricle can become TEMPORARILY enlarged, heart function remained UNAFFECTED...

And shrinkage of what? If ur speaking of testicular atrophy then yes that sometimes happens on longer cycles...but compounds like HCG combat such, but ur dick doesn't shrink at all...and ur sex drive goes thru the roof...



I dont use steriods, Its not worth it, When you start putting such substances in your body
you're putting yourself at risk,no matter how long you use it. even at short term it can weaken your liver, heart etc.
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/SeniorColloquium/04/Kim%20P/pg%202%20Creatine.htm

Like I said many pages back.......... there is >NO< easy way to get in shape.
You have to do it the HARD way.

-There are no shortcuts.
-There are no substitute for exersise.
-There is no healthier way to live other than eating the right foods.
-Suppliments are not replacements for real food..

-Read the ingredients to whatever supplement you buy and check to see if it has anything that might cause a health concern ( like stuff with Ephedra in it)

- When you exercise you must use proper form, like dont lift your waist off the ground while doing Bench press, dont lean back while doing barbell curls Etc.

If i can lose 10 lbs and increase my strength without using Steriods then anyone can.

I also found this;
http://www.skiplacour.com/killing.htm
:angel:

[300 lb Eugene]

Shit, I know what you mean. This dude was on flat bench yelling his ass off, and I'm thinking he must be benching 300+, and when I turn and look, he's a stick figure beching 135! :lol: I'm all for exhaling as you push/pull, but c'mon...
I don't know what's worse, the show offs, or the fucking new year's resolosers. They have no fucking concept of gym etiquette; working out directly in front of dumbell racks, sitting at a piece of equipment and just talking on their cell, filling up their water bottle at a water fountain with a line of people behind them waiting, etc. I hate this time of year. It's crowded full of people who have no hope because they lack the willpower and discipline to stick with any kind of regimen.



Canada's the place to be right now...Hate Free.:sweat:

What made you move to the states?

[MagnusMadness]

No...But thats where I workout at . I didnt say Gold was the only gym filled with screaming.





I dont use steriods, Its not worth it, When you start putting such substances in your body
you're putting yourself at risk,no matter how long you use it. even at short term it can weaken your liver, heart etc.
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/SeniorColloquium/04/Kim%20P/pg%202%20Creatine.htm

Like I said many pages back.......... there is >NO< easy way to get in shape.
You have to do it the HARD way.

-There are no shortcuts.
-There are no substitute for exersise.
-There is no healthier way to live other than eating the right foods.
-Suppliments are not replacements for real food..

-Read the ingredients to whatever supplement you buy and check to see if it has anything that might cause a health concern ( like stuff with Ephedra in it)

- When you exercise you must use proper form, like dont lift your waist off the ground while doing Bench press, dont lean back while doing barbell curls Etc.

If i can lose 10 lbs and increase my strength without using Steriods then anyone can.

I also found this;
http://www.skiplacour.com/killing.htm
:angel:


I actually started to read the first link you posted on steroids....but when the very first fucking statement I read was completely ass backwards...I lost interest. ANABOLIC = GROWTH.........ANDROGENIC = MASCULINIZING.

Don't believe all the bullshit you read about steroids...I read one time that steroids were developed in the 1930's by german scientists to put meat on cows.

Not all steroids are harmful to ur liver, 17C Alpha Alkylated substances like winstrol and other oral steroids will affect liver values but if taken in conservative amounts for short periods of time with the proper liver care products....healthy individuals will be fine.

Medical studies showed that AAS user's left ventricle could increase in size up to 25%....heart function, however, remained unaffected, and that it would return to normal size after 6 months off...unless HGH was used in conjunction...

[Mr Mort]

Canada's the place to be right now...Hate Free.:sweat:

What made you move to the states?

I was 16 when my dad and I moved down here eons ago, and now I'm married.

It's a different world here than it was back home, that's for sure. People are way more stressed around here.

[Romie]

I dont use steriods, Its not worth it, When you start putting such substances in your body
you're putting yourself at risk,no matter how long you use it. even at short term it can weaken your liver, heart etc.
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/SeniorColloquium/04/Kim%20P/pg%202%20Creatine.htm




Nowadays most people educated on the subject take supplementary medications to combat the negative side effects of steroids. There are journals on the bb.com forums where the guys on cycle get their liver values checked bi monthly and everything is fine. Like I've been saying all along, steroid use isn't dangerous when taken properly, as with any drug on the market. It's the abuse that makes headlines, and the government demonizes it cause it can't heavily tax steroids... coughcoughtobaccocough..

[300 lb Eugene]

coughcoughtobaccocough..

Coughcoughcoughweedcough

:lol::lol:

____________
Random question: Why do they keep putting Arnold Swhartz. 60's/70's pictures
on the front of Muscle Fitness all the time? Is it because he was the biggest of his time?:wonder:
But then theres that Lou ( original Hulk) guy.

[Biggzy]

I actually started to read the first link you posted on steroids....but when the very first fucking statement I read was completely ass backwards...I lost interest. ANABOLIC = GROWTH.........ANDROGENIC = MASCULINIZING.

Don't believe all the bullshit you read about steroids...I read one time that steroids were developed in the 1930's by german scientists to put meat on cows.

Not all steroids are harmful to ur liver, 17C Alpha Alkylated substances like winstrol and other oral steroids will affect liver values but if taken in conservative amounts for short periods of time with the proper liver care products....healthy individuals will be fine.

Medical studies showed that AAS user's left ventricle could increase in size up to 25%....heart function, however, remained unaffected, and that it would return to normal size after 6 months off...unless HGH was used in conjunction...

BLAH BLAH BLAH, does it make you feel more safe and secure to back yourself up? There's no other way to look at it, steroids are not healthy. You just said, medical studies showed that blah blah could increase your left ventricle up to 25%. Please explain to me how this can be considered healthy. When you can't have kids in 5 years and are on constant mood swings of anger and depression, remember that it was all worth it. You're just too fucking LAZY to get big without steroids, you fuckin pussy!

[GETBUZZIN]

someone post what they eat every day. I just need a good picture of where to start. The problem is i have no idea what to eat to get in shape and healthy. I'm 5 feet 5 and 165. I would like to get down to 145-150. Thanks.

[MagnusMadness]

BLAH BLAH BLAH, does it make you feel more safe and secure to back yourself up? There's no other way to look at it, steroids are not healthy. You just said, medical studies showed that blah blah could increase your left ventricle up to 25%. Please explain to me how this can be considered healthy. When you can't have kids in 5 years and are on constant mood swings of anger and depression, remember that it was all worth it. You're just too fucking LAZY to get big without steroids, you fuckin pussy!


Are you still here?? Saying the same dumb shit?? What really IS healthy?? Run me through your weekly extra curricular activities and let's see how healthy they are. I don't think that steroids are necessarily GOOD for you, or will net me a longer lifespan...but for me and my new career, it's a necessary evil, and approaching it in the most intelligent manner possible is all I can do.

God people act like steroids kill millions every year...but in all reality, they are PRESCRIBED on a daily basis to people for a variety of reasons. My friend has low test levels and his doctor is going to put him on a heavy dose of test....now ask yourself this....if steroids are SO DANGEROUS...WHY WOULD HE BE PRESCRIBING THEM??? In the united states there are an estimated 1 million people on the juice RIGHT NOW....why not more documented cases of "roid rage" leading to domestic violence?? Why not more documented deaths that can SURELY be linked to steroids?? Does it just catch up to you one day when ur 40?? Well what about Arnold....and Franco Columbo....and Sergio...and Lou Ferigno??? Why aren't they dead yet?? They were freakin SCIENCE PROJECTS!!!

Hey Biggzy, would you call arnold a pussy?? Or ronnie coleman?? Or Jay Cutler?? Are those guys just big pussy cheaters too??

And If I'm so lazy then why would I have put the time into the extensive research I've done?? And why is it that I can count on one hand how many days I've missed in the gym in the past 2 years??

You are a fucking tool....you won't even back ur own ridiculous statements up, you just fucking shut up until ur ready to start shit again...

[300 lb Eugene]

:rolleyes:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/supersoniccheesy/shred.jpg

:lol::lol: :rofl:

[fishjie]

Hi guys. I'm looking to join a gym. So I'm wondering how much you guys pay for your memberships per month, or if you have an annual or lifetime membership, so I can get a rough idea of whats good when I start shopping. I'm looking to join something like 24 hour fitness right now.

I basically want a gym with:
free weights
workout benches / benchpress setups / squat setups / etc....
open late (I usually dont get off work until after 7 pm, also Im way too tired to work out in the morning)

Basically I want a place I can do weight training.

I recently graduated from UW, which had the BEST gym in like the entire planet, not only had a weight lifters paradise, but it also came coomplete with swimming pool, basketball court, boxing, track, and racquetball.

all for the low low price of 35$ every 3 monthes. Obviously I'm not going to get anything remotely as good in the real world.

so give me some input. The only other thing that really matters to me is that I dont like to wait in a long line for a bench, so I want a gym that is relatively free of crowd around 8-11 pm, which is when I'll come in. obviously i'll just have to visit each gym to see when peak hours are....


edit: about a few monthes ago I hurt my back while weightlifting. Its not really a pain per se, but there's this tickling sensation in the back of my upper left shoulder blade. It tingles every time I bench press / shoulder press / skull crusher / upright row / etc.... basically i decided to stop working out for a while to let it heal.

i wouldn't say it hurts, but theres definitely something wrong with it. it doesn't feel right. i'm pondering going to see a doc, but i'm not insured right now so dont wanna waste money. i'm thinking if i just wait another month it should heal up?

[The Mullah]

biggzy post up a picture, lets see how much muscle you're packing, you too magnusmadness. Both having a heated argument without knowing whether the other is a pencil neck who's full of shit.

[Romie]

biggzy post up a picture, lets see how much muscle you're packing, you too magnusmadness. Both having a heated argument without knowing whether the other is a pencil neck who's full of shit.

I concur.

Fishjie:

I paid 100 for 6 months at a local gym. Prices for places like NYSC are much higher. Like 75 a month. Crazyness.

And I go to the doctor for pretty much every little pain I have. You should probably go too if it's been happening for a while.

[akumatrunigga]

Well I have been working out like crazy for about a month or so. I didnt work out this morning cuz my ass was dead tired staying up late after the super bowl. I feel guilty that I didnt do any cardio, abs today.

My daily is routine is:
Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday (weights)
Monday, Wednesday, Friday (cardio, abs)
Saturday (run around the neighborhood)

I usually get up around 4:30am and start about 4:45am. After the workout, i use my blender to make a smoothie, take a shower, get dressed and and Im out the door. Every time, I feel so good about going to work on that day and shit. McD's has been cut out!, (just about all forms fast food; however though jamacian patties from 7-11 do be calling me at times :lol:)

Fruit (just about all of them)
Water
2% Milk
Organic Milk
Whole Wheat
2% cheese
Protein shakes
Egg whites
celery sticks

there are more but I have to go home im still at work and I need to get out of here. :lol:!!!!!

[mvsc2demon]

Hi guys. I'm looking to join a gym. So I'm wondering how much you guys pay for your memberships per month, or if you have an annual or lifetime membership, so I can get a rough idea of whats good when I start shopping. I'm looking to join something like 24 hour fitness right now.

I basically want a gym with:
free weights
workout benches / benchpress setups / squat setups / etc....
open late (I usually dont get off work until after 7 pm, also Im way too tired to work out in the morning)

Basically I want a place I can do weight training.

I recently graduated from UW, which had the BEST gym in like the entire planet, not only had a weight lifters paradise, but it also came coomplete with swimming pool, basketball court, boxing, track, and racquetball.

all for the low low price of 35$ every 3 monthes. Obviously I'm not going to get anything remotely as good in the real world.

so give me some input. The only other thing that really matters to me is that I dont like to wait in a long line for a bench, so I want a gym that is relatively free of crowd around 8-11 pm, which is when I'll come in. obviously i'll just have to visit each gym to see when peak hours are....


edit: about a few monthes ago I hurt my back while weightlifting. Its not really a pain per se, but there's this tickling sensation in the back of my upper left shoulder blade. It tingles every time I bench press / shoulder press / skull crusher / upright row / etc.... basically i decided to stop working out for a while to let it heal.

i wouldn't say it hurts, but theres definitely something wrong with it. it doesn't feel right. i'm pondering going to see a doc, but i'm not insured right now so dont wanna waste money. i'm thinking if i just wait another month it should heal up?
If the university that you graduated is in the town you are at, then try and go check if they have an alumni gym discount. My university does so i'll staying around my school gym long gone after i graduate.

[fishjie]

If the university that you graduated is in the town you are at, then try and go check if they have an alumni gym discount. My university does so i'll staying around my school gym long gone after i graduate.

yeah that was the first thing I tried. I told them I was willing to pay more to keep a membership there but they said no, i need someone who actually goes to the school, student or faculty, to sponsor me. I should probably look into that to see the exact details, because I actually do know someone who works at the school as a prof, but I figured it'd probably be a hairy process.

besides, the location doesn't work out very well for me, since where I live and work are far enough away that the rising gas cost makes it pretty inconvenient for me.

[MagnusMadness]

biggzy post up a picture, lets see how much muscle you're packing, you too magnusmadness. Both having a heated argument without knowing whether the other is a pencil neck who's full of shit.

I'll be glad to post up some before and after pics within the next 2-3 months.

[Biggzy]

Are you still here?? Saying the same dumb shit?? What really IS healthy?? Run me through your weekly extra curricular activities and let's see how healthy they are. I don't think that steroids are necessarily GOOD for you, or will net me a longer lifespan...but for me and my new career, it's a necessary evil, and approaching it in the most intelligent manner possible is all I can do.

God people act like steroids kill millions every year...but in all reality, they are PRESCRIBED on a daily basis to people for a variety of reasons. My friend has low test levels and his doctor is going to put him on a heavy dose of test....now ask yourself this....if steroids are SO DANGEROUS...WHY WOULD HE BE PRESCRIBING THEM??? In the united states there are an estimated 1 million people on the juice RIGHT NOW....why not more documented cases of "roid rage" leading to domestic violence?? Why not more documented deaths that can SURELY be linked to steroids?? Does it just catch up to you one day when ur 40?? Well what about Arnold....and Franco Columbo....and Sergio...and Lou Ferigno??? Why aren't they dead yet?? They were freakin SCIENCE PROJECTS!!!

Hey Biggzy, would you call arnold a pussy?? Or ronnie coleman?? Or Jay Cutler?? Are those guys just big pussy cheaters too??

And If I'm so lazy then why would I have put the time into the extensive research I've done?? And why is it that I can count on one hand how many days I've missed in the gym in the past 2 years??

You are a fucking tool....you won't even back ur own ridiculous statements up, you just fucking shut up until ur ready to start shit again...


Would I call Arnold a pussy? Or Ronnie Coleman? HAHAHA, you're comparing yourself to professionals with work ethic you couldn't even dream about. Gimme a fuckin break.

And don't give me this shit about therapeutic testosterone, the fuckin shit you guys take is way more hardcore and puts you above the higher end of the spectrum, which is 8 or 900 if I'm not mistaken.

Mullah: What the fuck would that prove? If I'm bigger and more defined than him, he'll just pull a juicemonkey and say thats either a) not me or b) photoshopped. Its pointless. Then if he's bigger than me I'll just blame it on the roids and that he's a fuckin lazy piece of shit.

[opticallyinviz]

im paying 250 for 6 months right now

[Biggzy]

im paying 250 for 6 months right now

Good lord what gym do you go to? My year membership was just a little over 180.

[opticallyinviz]

ah it's a gym in canada

but the 250 covers weights, cardio, sauna, unlimited tanning, blah blah blah
and my martial arts classes are in the same building; so it just makes life easier.

[The Mullah]

not everyone is like juice, and since a lot of poeple know you from tournaments, you couldn't be lying anyway. also, how do you know he doesn't have the same work ethic as a pro bodybuilder like ronnie, everyone has to start somewhere.

[Biggzy]

not everyone is like juice, and since a lot of poeple know you from tournaments, you couldn't be lying anyway. also, how do you know he doesn't have the same work ethic as a pro bodybuilder like ronnie, everyone has to start somewhere.

Of course I don't know that. But I'm just gonna assume that Arnold and Ronnie Coleman didn't spend alot of time on SRK, and were busting their ass in the gym.

[Chaos]

If your in the gym more than 90 minutes max lifting weights (and I'm assuming super supplemetation) your spinning your wheels anyway. That leaves 22 hours and 30 minutes to randomly check SRK.

[opticallyinviz]

nah of that 22 hours a pro sleeps at good 10-12
and another 4-6 eating
and then a couple of hours doing cardio at morning and night
they really dont get all that much free time

[Biggzy]

If your in the gym more than 90 minutes max lifting weights (and I'm assuming super supplemetation) your spinning your wheels anyway. That leaves 22 hours and 30 minutes to randomly check SRK.

Are you telling me that the professionals, only spend 90 minutes a day in the gym? WOW this is funny.

[Romie]

nah of that 22 hours a pro sleeps at good 10-12
and another 4-6 eating
and then a couple of hours doing cardio at morning and night
they really dont get all that much free time

Watching Ronnie's old video, he only sleeps around 7 hours. I assume most of them had full time jobs when they were starting, so bodybuilding didn't consume their whole day.

[opticallyinviz]

yeah true
ronnie naps a lot now that he's not a cop though
scheduled naps of course

i wouldnt want the lifestyle, that's for sure.

[MagnusMadness]

ah it's a gym in canada

but the 250 covers weights, cardio, sauna, unlimited tanning, blah blah blah
and my martial arts classes are in the same building; so it just makes life easier.


Does that 250 cover martial arts classes too?? What classes do you take anyway?? MMA?? I took a few MMA classes at another gym close to where I live but to keep doing them I have to sign up for a membership to their gym too...but I can't get out of my membership at Gold's yet...sigh...

And you powerlift right?? What kinda program do you follow?? Ever tried westside??

[JuiceM0nkey]

biggzy post up a picture, lets see how much muscle you're packing, you too magnusmadness. Both having a heated argument without knowing whether the other is a pencil neck who's full of shit.

LOL, this is some funny shit I'm reading. Here my 2 cents on this subject matter, take or leave it. I really don't care either way. I'm not going to prech some shit and say steroids are safe, because there not. Especially when some of these guys are on the gear 10 months out of the year.

But I will say when I'm on the gear getting ready for a bodybuilding or powerlifting comp. I'm on for a maximum of 10 weeks and no more then 800mg of gear combined.
Ex= 500mg of Deca and 175mg of oral Winstrol.

Yes, its not healthy to be on da juice, but for 10 weeks, its not any worse then most fucking idiots that smoke half a pack of smokes or fucking drinks a 6 pack of beer every 3 days!

I'm not condoning steroid use, but if your doing 1 or 2 ten week cycles a year, and are smart about your training and eating. Then fuck it, it cant be worse then these fucking high school kids smoking fucking weed everyweekend and fucking acting like douch bags when there drunk off there ass'es!

BTW: Getting ready for the Northern Kentucky Bodybuilding Nationals on march 18th.....wish me luck....LOL!!!

[MagnusMadness]

BTW: Getting ready for the Northern Kentucky Bodybuilding Nationals on march 18th.....wish me luck....LOL!!!

Good luck bro....march 18th huh?? I take it ur already dieting??? What do you plan on stepping on stage at?? And how much do you weigh now??

[MagnusMadness]

Of course I don't know that. But I'm just gonna assume that Arnold and Ronnie Coleman didn't spend alot of time on SRK, and were busting their ass in the gym.

Check my recent posts....this is the only thread I post in right now...and it's a weightlifting thread...I spend a grip of time on other bodybuilding forums though like IronMagazine.com....but look, I don't want to argue with you about anything anymore...that's not what this thread is here for anyway. Although we disagree on some things....we both prolly have a good idea of what we're doing and we should be trying to help all the other guys on SRK who don't know what's going on...and although I use AAS...you will notice I wouldn't ever recommend even small doses to other people....Unless you compete or plan on competing in the future, there's no reason to put ur body through that. Can we just bury this shit??

[Biggzy]

Check my recent posts....this is the only thread I post in right now...and it's a weightlifting thread...I spend a grip of time on other bodybuilding forums though like IronMagazine.com....but look, I don't want to argue with you about anything anymore...that's not what this thread is here for anyway. Although we disagree on some things....we both prolly have a good idea of what we're doing and we should be trying to help all the other guys on SRK who don't know what's going on...and although I use AAS...you will notice I wouldn't ever recommend even small doses to other people....Unless you compete or plan on competing in the future, there's no reason to put ur body through that. Can we just bury this shit??

Yeah thats cool, its squashed. I'm just a hothead online :bgrin:

Good luck on that competition Juice.

[The Mullah]

juice post up some weekly pics so we can see your progress!

[ChainZ]

Aight guys here's the deal. I recently started working out. I used to work a whole lot in the past so i'm not like really behind. I stopped for about a year and a half. so...like i was wondering. well i have this workout machine. And its pretty good. The only thing is that it doesn't have a standard sized bench. Just something to sit and work out on. So can anyone tell me a good workout schedule to follow. I really want to mass up. I'm 6'2 and i weigh 158. I used to work out a lot and i was buff and i maxed out weight at 172. So i really want to mass up. And get ripped. I don't take any suppliments whatsoever. I just eat and eat...but healthy. And another question if anyone knows. Are cokes bad to drink as a diet. Cause i haven't dranken one in like..3 weeks...So if anyone could help me out with a really good workout schedule that'll be great...thanks guys..peace

[MagnusMadness]

Aight guys here's the deal. I recently started working out. I used to work a whole lot in the past so i'm not like really behind. I stopped for about a year and a half. so...like i was wondering. well i have this workout machine. And its pretty good. The only thing is that it doesn't have a standard sized bench. Just something to sit and work out on. So can anyone tell me a good workout schedule to follow. I really want to mass up. I'm 6'2 and i weigh 158. I used to work out a lot and i was buff and i maxed out weight at 172. So i really want to mass up. And get ripped. I don't take any suppliments whatsoever. I just eat and eat...but healthy. And another question if anyone knows. Are cokes bad to drink as a diet. Cause i haven't dranken one in like..3 weeks...So if anyone could help me out with a really good workout schedule that'll be great...thanks guys..peace


There's lotsa good workouts.....and I don't really know what you mean when you say you have a "workout machine".....what does that entail??

I really recommend you get a gym membership if you're serious about working out...not only could I write up a dozen programs for you with that kinda equipment available...but you could also learn alot from just WATCHING other people lift, and stay motivated....

[Chaos]

Cokes are absolutely awful in any diet, be it bulk or cut. You might as well go into your kitchen and eat a few teaspoons of sugar, thats how useless they are. Number one rule of dieting, don't drink your calories.

Hey magnus you been back to the Chiropractor yet? I'm gonna call him this weekend and see if I can go by and talk to him when I'm in town next.

[MagnusMadness]

Cokes are absolutely awful in any diet, be it bulk or cut. You might as well go into your kitchen and eat a few teaspoons of sugar, thats how useless they are. Number one rule of dieting, don't drink your calories.

Hey magnus you been back to the Chiropractor yet? I'm gonna call him this weekend and see if I can go by and talk to him when I'm in town next.

I have not...next time I go I'm having X rays...I guess I'm a little better...and I've been stretching every morning ( Realizing now how tight my hamstrings really were) So as soon as I have an extra 100 bucks lying around I'm going back up there.

When are you gonna be back in town anyway?? We need to lift...

[JustBeenIced]

hey weird and possibly stupid yet serious question.

Cheese is supposedly heathy, but i heard that when you eat melted cheese, it's not good for you,

Any ideas why?

I just thought cheese was cheese

[300 lb Eugene]

hey weird and possibly stupid yet serious question.

Cheese is supposedly heathy, but i heard that when you eat melted cheese, it's not good for you,

Any ideas why?

I just thought cheese was cheese

It usually ends up here..http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/supersoniccheesy/eww.jpg

:wasted:

[TehNewGuy]

Question for people who have experience with creatine monohydrate: What does it taste like? Im thinking about picking some up eventually (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/creatine.html) and Im just curious. I want to try out MuscleTech's Cell Tech because of the variety of flavors, but for one its way too expensive and I dont see how 75g of carbs and all that sugar would help me get ripped.

[Romie]

Question for people who have experience with creatine monohydrate: What does it taste like? Im thinking about picking some up eventually (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/creatine.html) and Im just curious. I want to try out MuscleTech's Cell Tech because of the variety of flavors, but for one its way too expensive and I dont see how 75g of carbs and all that sugar would help me get ripped.

Regular creatine tastes like.... nothing. There's no flavor.

[MagnusMadness]

Question for people who have experience with creatine monohydrate: What does it taste like? Im thinking about picking some up eventually (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/creatine.html) and Im just curious. I want to try out MuscleTech's Cell Tech because of the variety of flavors, but for one its way too expensive and I dont see how 75g of carbs and all that sugar would help me get ripped.

Creatine will not help you get ripped by any means...it put's water weight on you...to get ripped to want to LOSE water weight...the 75g of carbs (sugar) is to cause an insulin spike to help with creatine uptake...

[ChainZ]

Had one question. I recently started working out and this is i have for a workout schedule....

Mon-bi's, tri's ??Is it ok to work out bi's and tri's the same day??
Tues-Back
Wed-Chest
Thursday-legs
Friday neck/shoulders

Any suggestions, hit me up. See i want to get built all natural. No muscle enhancing suppliments. But i've heard a lot about Whey protein. Is it good?

[MagnusMadness]

Had one question. I recently started working out and this is i have for a workout schedule....

Mon-bi's, tri's ??Is it ok to work out bi's and tri's the same day??
Tues-Back
Wed-Chest
Thursday-legs
Friday neck/shoulders

Any suggestions, hit me up. See i want to get built all natural. No muscle enhancing suppliments. But i've heard a lot about Whey protein. Is it good?

Yes it's ok to work bi's and tri's on the same day...but it's mostly unneccesary, and if you must work arms on a seperate day it should come last in the week....since you're not on the juice....five days might be a bit much and back and legs are the only days that really need to have their own seperate day...how bout this split

Monday: Chest/Bi's/Abs
Tuesday: Quads/Hams/Calves
Wed: Off
Thursday: Lats/LowerBack/Abs
Friday: Shoulders/Traps (or neck as you would say)/Calves

Or my current split:

Upper
Lower
Off
Upper
Lower
Off
Off...

Also use a form of periodization....except linear...like alternating (what I do), undulating or conjugate....Or in other words....change shit up on a regular basis and follow a program of some sort...

As for whey protein...yes it's good, but if ur diet is good you don't necessarily need it...Basically..protein is used to build muscle...if ur diet is lacking in protein then that should be addressed first, then look into supplementation to really up ur protein intake...I like protein shakes Post workout definitely...sometimes right when I wake up or right before I go to bed...

There hoped that helped at least a little bit

[ShadowHawkv2]

Haha i cant believe i discover this thread now. Anyways if anybody wants protein to take. The best recommendation i would have is ISO-PURE protein. They have different ones but the best one would be the one thats labled zero carb(it literally doesnt have any carbs, zero), and its packed with 50 grams of protein(2 scoops). Lets not forget its LACTOSE FREE so no more farts. Tastes good 2. Well only if u stick with the vanilla, and chocolat flavor. ITs kinds pricy but its worth it(40 bucks retail for 3 lbs, about 22 servings/44 scoops). Most place's have it on sale for about 35 bucks give or take if your lucky. But i would say this is best for cutting down and using as a meal replacement. If u are going for major gains stick with whey or another protein cause it has carbs.

Anybody know what is up with ephedra coming back on the market?

Anyways thinking of a cut cycle of winni with decca. Took this combo before and was happy with the results (cut down the water). But i hear a lot of shit about eqapoise(sp?) anybody know anything about this? Is it better or comparable to decca? I took it a while ago but dont think it works as well as decca.

[Biggzy]

Haha i cant believe i discover this thread now. Anyways if anybody wants protein to take. The best recommendation i would have is ISO-PURE protein. They have different ones but the best one would be the one thats labled zero carb(it literally doesnt have any carbs, zero), and its packed with 50 grams of protein(2 scoops). Lets not forget its LACTOSE FREE so no more farts. Tastes good 2. Well only if u stick with the vanilla, and chocolat flavor. ITs kinds pricy but its worth it(40 bucks retail for 3 lbs, about 22 servings/44 scoops). Most place's have it on sale for about 35 bucks give or take if your lucky. But i would say this is best for cutting down and using as a meal replacement. If u are going for major gains stick with whey or another protein cause it has carbs.

Anybody know what is up with ephedra coming back on the market?

Anyways thinking of a cut cycle of winni with decca. Took this combo before and was happy with the results (cut down the water). But i hear a lot of shit about eqapoise(sp?) anybody know anything about this? Is it better or comparable to decca? I took it a while ago but dont think it works as well as decca.

Yeah ISOPURE is what I take, zero carb Alpine Punch. Not the greatest tasting, but anything is better than the Vanilla.

Yesterday sucked ass at the gym. I was doing dips and pulled a muscle in my right pec. Injuries fucking suck and piss me off.

[MagnusMadness]

Anyways thinking of a cut cycle of winni with decca. Took this combo before and was happy with the results (cut down the water). But i hear a lot of shit about eqapoise(sp?) anybody know anything about this? Is it better or comparable to decca? I took it a while ago but dont think it works as well as decca.

Winny is terrible for you....don't use it...ever...period.....it's degenerative to ligaments and tendons and can cause joints to become brittle as well as it's a 17C alpha alkylated compound, meaning it's toxic to ur liver and if it must be used, it should be used for no more than 30 days at a time...deca and equipoise are both pure anabolics (not androgenic at all IIRC) that increase LBM gains/strength gains without proportionately increasing fatty deposits at the same time....giving the illusion that they "cut you up"....equipoise is good and also increases collagen synthesis by around 300% as does deca....meaning it's great for ur joints which is a good trait to have in an anabolic compound because ur joints take a beating with the inevitable rapid progression in weight...Equipoise is going to have to be dosed a bit higher than deca, maybe around 600-800mgs a week at least....whereas a good dose of deca would start around 400mgs a week....Equipoise is a better choice IMO because unlike deca it doesn't produce a progesterone biproduct which again IIRC KILLS libido (otherwise known as Deca Dick) and deca shuts ur HPTA the fuck down for a long ass time...

Also I would not use zero carb/low carb protein shakes for meal replacements...as they resemble a balanced meal in no shape, form, or fashion....they are supplements and a last resort....a good meal includes protein, carbs, and fibrous veggies in small portions and these should be eaten no less than 5-6 times daily.

[R.P.D rookie]

So who here can benchpress their own weight in a set?



Also, what is everyone maxing in a benchpress?


I have no idea what I can max but I currently mess around with 3 sets of 8 reps using 140lbs.


I weigh 170

[BrwnbellyYankee]

Winny is terrible for you....don't use it...ever...period.....it's degenerative to ligaments and tendons and can cause joints to become brittle as well as it's a 17C alpha alkylated compound, meaning it's toxic to ur liver and if it must be used, it should be used for no more than 30 days at a time....

there is nothing wrong with the injectable form, only the tabs, and this goes for all oral AAS.

[BrwnbellyYankee]

So who here can benchpress their own weight in a set?



Also, what is everyone maxing in a benchpress?


I have no idea what I can max but I currently mess around with 3 sets of 8 reps using 140lbs.


I weigh 170

i weigh 182 lbs and i bench 385(when i was training for a pl comp). but why does everyone compare bp, how much can everyone snatch.

[R.P.D rookie]

i weigh 182 lbs and i bench 385(when i was training for a pl comp). but why does everyone compare bp, how much can everyone snatch.



Because I'm what you would call a newb in the weightlifting world, lol.

[thedude.com]

i weigh at least 160 lbs and above . my height is 5.8 feet ( is 173 cm actually if in SI )

i need to reduce 16 lbs .... now i'm in a god damn breakin point .

i am doing anything i could , but fails to go down .

diet is also aproblem .... do i have to fast ??

i did little bit of cardio ...and resistance weight training .

[TGC]

Hey guys I wanna do like basketball training. What sort of WEIGHT training should I do if i wanted to get my body in shape for such a thing?

[Romie]

I'd much rather compare squats.

405 x 4

[doujinshi_2001]

Yo MagnusMadness, Romie, or anyone help me out here! I need to gain at LEAST 45 lbs by the end of August beginning of September because of basketball. Right now I'm 140 lbs and would like to be in the 185-190 lbs range. Any tips and or recommendations? Also can anyone recommend me a weight gainer to take that doesn't tear my stomach up? I've heard a few good things about Isopure but I haven't heard enough to warrant a purchase yet.....thanks in advance to anyone that helps me out.

[R.P.D rookie]

I'd much rather compare squats.

405 x 4



Ugh, I can already feel my knee caps blowing out of my legs just trying to squat that much. I stay away from the squats really not because I don't want to do them but I'm so fortunate to have Chondro Malacia. It's some deal with the cartilage being inflamed inside the knee caps, so I figured I wouldn't take my chances with the squats.

[ChainZ]

I was wondering. I only have a machine where i can do sitting press and fly's for my chest. I don't have a bench or anything. So any suggestions for a better chest workout? I do 4 sets of 25 push-ups 3 sets of 10 of press and 3 sets of 10 of fly's. What else can i do without a bench for chest?

[AL the great]

romie u look like my benching partner!

[MagnusMadness]

there is nothing wrong with the injectable form, only the tabs, and this goes for all oral AAS.

Wrong....the injectable form of winny is still toxic to your liver and is still degenerative to ligaments and tendons and is also un-esterified....do you even know what an ester is?? Just because it's injectable doesn't mean it's not toxic to your liver. Not all orals cause ligament/tendon degeneration either....dbol for instance puts a ton of water weight on you which increases mechanical advantage (strength gain not directly correlated to increase in skeletal muscle tissue) and puts fluid in your joints...

Bottom line is any EDUCATED bodybuilder doesn't use winny. If anything they would add a pure anabolic like deca or equipoise to improve the condition of their joints...

Yo MagnusMadness, Romie, or anyone help me out here! I need to gain at LEAST 45 lbs by the end of August beginning of September because of basketball. Right now I'm 140 lbs and would like to be in the 185-190 lbs range. Any tips and or recommendations? Also can anyone recommend me a weight gainer to take that doesn't tear my stomach up? I've heard a few good things about Isopure but I haven't heard enough to warrant a purchase yet.....thanks in advance to anyone that helps me out.

You've got to put on at least 45lbs in 6 months???? That would be an accomplishment even on steroids man...You better start eating the house like today...NO LESS than 6 meals a day....try and eat AT LEAST every 3 hours...and I mean FULL MEALS...I'm talking get the combo meal and add the cheese sticks....

honestly man the only way to accomplish that wouldn't be very good for ur body....Your most certainly already beat up knees would not like that kinda rapid weight gain either..

Lemme give you an example...I did an 8 week cycle a year ago and gained a lil over 20lbs...lost around 4 or 5 lbs and waited 8 weeks and started a 10 week cycle and gained around 20lbs again...this time lost a little more weight cuz I started cutting cals back in prep for a cut that I'm about to start...So using steroids mind you....I gained a little over 40lbs in roughly 26 weeks or 6 months...and have lost about 8-9lbs leaving me at a net gain of about 32 lbs in I guess 8 months....so now you have a better understanding of how difficult it would be to achieve ur goal....not to say you can't....but if you do reach ur goal it prolly won't have been "natural"....or "healthy"....and it definitely won't be all muscle...you will put on a grip of fat and water weight in the process....I recommend you set more reasonable goals in which you can not only meet them but exceed them and set new goals...

[Chaos]

45lbs in 6 months. I swear you people are nothing if not full of positive thoughts. There is no way in gods green eaerth your going to gain that weight, specially at your age. I'm assuming high school or J. high since your doing it for basketball. The absolute best your going to do with steady diet and nutrition at that