Courtesy online

[fatherbrain]

It's come to this. I'm not happy right now, so I'll say why. There are a bunch of rude fuckers online who don't seem to know the first thing about being polite on zbattle, kaillera, and whatnot. So I'm going to see what SRK can contribut to stem the rising tide of retardedness happening every day online. Here are some simple suggestions to follow to make your, and everyone elses, game much more enjoyable.


1. On zbattle, ASK before downloading a rom from the other person. It's considered rude as hell to jump into a game, click download, and either leave, or wait till it's done and leave. In essence, you've stolen the rom from the other person, wasted their time, and given nothing in return.

2. Talking shit is fine, if kept at a reasonable level. This level varies from person to person, and if you've never played them before, try to keep it at a minimum. Sometimes people have bad days, sometimes you are better, and then theres the luck factor. But never should you insult the person without just cause. If you're totally dominating them, thats fine. But it's no reason to tell them "You Suck". Sure, they might just suck. But if that's the case, let them know they need more practice, and leave the game. Also beware the "you suck" check your mouth tries to write and it may not be able to cash. I've had my bad days, and was losing 4-0 in UMK3 against someone. For no reason at all, he blurted out those fateful words, despite the fact the matches were quite close. So I buckled down, and went 7 straight on him. Beware the unknown factor, people.

3. Spamming in game or in chat is also rude. Don't jump in a game and suddenly
go
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It's annoying, and it's demeaning. Give the person a moment.

4. If you are losing, don't bitch. Don't complain about cheapness. Everyone has their own tactics. Learn to overcome them. One loss might very well be lag. But if you lose 20 straight, what the FUCK are you still playing for in such a laggy game? That makes YOU look stupid.

5. When on zbattle, and you start a game, please do not ASSUME that the other player is broadband, and immeadiatly drop to 1 latency. Ask them what their connection is, THEN change it. Learn to play on 1,2 AND 3 latency, as some computers truly run like shit on 1. Also, do not be stiff and unwilling to raise the latency if they can't play on 1. You'll be missing ot on a challenge, quite possibly.

6. Don't bitch about how a game sucks every 5 seconds. Without naming names, there is a very GOOD UMK3 player that I know, however, he constantly complains about it's (admittedly) many glitches, etc. If you dislike it so much, simply don't play it.


Feel free to add if you feel I've missed anything.

[sixftdeep]

Yes, Amen brother.
I win 50/50, Sometimes I dominate and other times I lose. I have people join my game then say
I suck, Well maybe compared to you but what about the other 50%? And if I suck so bad why do you keep playing me? I have people complain about me throwing rocks with Cody on SF Alpha 3. Trust me if you were good you'd get around it.
Also how about people on kaillera hacking into your games and try to talk to you while your playing then get mad when you don't answer. For crying out loud at least wait till the match is done.
I have had immense fun playing online and its great when you find people for some friendly (and sometimes heated) competition but the rudeness and stupidity has to go.

[ChibiPotPie]

I seem to get a lot of #4 from some players, but I just say something random like "You can do it"!!! and try to avoid arguing with them or making them angrier than they already are.

[fatherbrain]

7. Please do not enter a game and leave it within 3 seconds. Whats the point of this? I understand you might click the wrong one on occasion, but I've had the SAME PERSON multiple times do this. Why?

[Red-Impact]

Yes, Amen brother.
I win 50/50, Sometimes I dominate and other times I lose. I have people join my game then say
I suck, Well maybe compared to you but what about the other 50%? And if I suck so bad why do you keep playing me? I have people complain about me throwing rocks with Cody on SF Alpha 3. Trust me if you were good you'd get around it.
Also how about people on kaillera hacking into your games and try to talk to you while your playing then get mad when you don't answer. For crying out loud at least wait till the match is done.
I have had immense fun playing online and its great when you find people for some friendly (and sometimes heated) competition but the rudeness and stupidity has to go.

I have to deal with this even more than you do, because for some reson the same 3 fuckers change names just to piss me off (these would abuser and 2 other more) hell I even know the last 3 digits of his damn IP from him trying to join my game.

Now if people really hate you, then you got This:

[MiyagiShin X]

O i have 2.

1. Dont make a server to test out a virus or play a joke. I once joined a server that put somethin in my cookies or whatever to make whatever i type have his name under it. Another on was that i could not join servers, so i had to restart comp and crt-alt-delete. This Virus crap has been happening often on Kaillera and its gettin on my nerves. If u wanna do that make it a private server and pull a prank on your friends, not some random people.

2. Plz have the decency to let someone know your leaving or if you get disconnect that you cant reconnect. Its really rude because some people like myself will be kind and wait for that person to comeback, just to play a match with him or hear from him. And when they don show up its like a kick in the face.

Other than that i completly agree with the rest of what u said f- brain. Courtesy is becoming a major problem

[JedahsMinistry]

6.1:
Someone joins the game just to say "this game sucks, play [$this_game] instead. Or they wait until the game loads and before you even play, says the same exact thing. Go play that other game then and stop wasting both of our time.


There will never be courtesy without accountability, there's too many children and too many oversized egoes.

[Soldier Zero]

Saying someone sucks when you're just as bad doesn't really sound too good.

[True_Tech]

the worst some random guy joins your game and does close and closes your game in the middle of the match

[Ryu1999]

Please don't type "gg" after every single freaking match

[ChibiPotPie]

Please don't type "gg" after every single freaking match

That is so annoying especially when you crush an opponent and then they say gg? Ugh.

[*InVeRs3*]

The host is allways the one who's going to do the game settings i.e. versus battle, options.

[Koop]

Please don't type "gg" after every single freaking match


LMFAO...i have to laugh that one


Damn Brain, your like the Godfather of this online stuff man...too good. :encore:

[Ryu1999]

LMFAO...i have to laugh that one


Its even funnier when its basically a double perfect at their expense :tup:

[Airthrow]

I say "GG" only if it's really close and my opponent beat me, or if I know the person is a lot weaker than me and I can tell they're trying as hard as they can to beat me.

"GG" loses all meaning if you say it after every fucking game...not all games are good!

[CrotchMonkey]

i guess a lot of people think of "gg" as an ownage term, since a lot of people have started using it for that purpose.

that might piss off some people, ive seen it happen.

[KneesofBees]

Admirable thread FatherBrain :)

Its a little misplaced tho... the users that behave like this are either never gonna read this, or will read it and think OMG you sUx0r! ololol WTF desycnh GG.

That said... my personal kaillera pet peeve has to be the kaillera trolls who refuse to learn a new game, and instead thrive on beatin the piss outta noobs in the same ole same ole.

Oh... and shit talkers. I been a kailleran for almost 3 years now, and that Wakka feller STILL just plays mvc, and STILL sits around and talks shit at every opportunity. I dont mvc, never have, and this is still annoying to me.

[fatherbrain]

Bump needed. Enough votes and I'll sticky.

[Emil]

I'm getting tired of people joining playing games in the middle of a match. Not only does this cause lag in the current match, but if that player leaves (which they usually do), it messes up all the controls (ie. your character begins punching rapidly even though you aren't pressing anything).

As for complaining, I don't mind it as long as the guy isn't a hypocrite about it. There are some tactics that are just utterly stupid (like in SvC, some guy that tossed Sonic booms so rapidly taht you couldn't even recover from a blocked one enough to avoid the next one...the entire match was sonic boom). However, I'm tired of people complaining about run-away tactics, when all their characters do the same.

[Liquid Twilight]

Good point Emil today I was playing Garou with some random guy he was using Kevin and me Hoku. The thing is that I play with Hoku more keep away against charcters like Tizoc, Kevin, and Terry. He complains I won because when the mathc was so close that any dumb mistake could kill us I started to keep away. Same thing happen in other games using others characters besides Hoku. I don't understand why people bitch about that since is a stupid strategy.

So in few words don't complain that u lost because u where outsmarted.

[badrock]

I agree, never change the latency settings without asking the other player first.

[fatherbrain]

Another thing. Please don't write a novel for the name of the game you create. It's annoying as hell to scroll over 5 times, and STILL not see the whole name.



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get it people?

[SuperMarioBro]

Uh, yeah, we get it.

[ax0r]

-People who bitch when you rape them

-People who type all perfect and are infact stuck up assholes.

-"Don't become like them and use infinites thats scrub shit" but cant even do a magic series themselves

-Isaac and the gang of script kiddies that kick me out of my game when im in the middle of a hard VC

-Cocky assholes

-People who join your game with the WRONG FUCKING EMULATOR (I host on Mame .64 and they join on kawaks..)

-People who join your game and fucking ask where you got the rom from, GOOGLE THAT SHIT DOWN SCRUB! :lame:

[Karasu]

-People who type all perfect and are infact stuck up assholes.


-Cocky assholes


Oh if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black... :rolleyes:

[ax0r]

Oh if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black... :rolleyes:

fuck yourself

[Karasu]

fuck yourself


Lol. Very intelligent wording there, Ax0r. Good job at proving what I quoted to be true after all.

[Abar]

In addition to what's already mentioned about "GG"...
GG means good games; noobs better stop spamming GG after every god damn round they get owned, cuz those ain't good games, and it gets on my nerves having to put up with idiots who can't make out a left from right.

Also, as I've noticed, a LARGE majority of people on kaillera simply use 2 ~ 3 top tier chars (or 2~3 of easiest to learn characters, like Yoshitora from Samsho, or Akuma/Chun of A3) of each game and abuse an easy tactic that can be mastered by just about anyone who played for a few days. What's the fun in beating those people when its not so different from beating up a CPU?

There'd be a lot of argument as to how people have fun in games, but really...if you get down to it, beating on a same char that move the same way over and over, gets old. That's what scrubs basically are, and it makes no difference whether they're good at scrubbing or sucks at scrubbing, it makes the gaming boring as hell to every non-scrubs out there.

[Sairou Kyoshu]

I hate those people where you have a really, really close fight with them, they win, then they call you a "Scrub" 'cause you didn't win, and then they drop!

[Emil]

Also, as I've noticed, a LARGE majority of people on kaillera simply use 2 ~ 3 top tier chars (or 2~3 of easiest to learn characters, like Yoshitora from Samsho, or Akuma/Chun of A3) of each game and abuse an easy tactic that can be mastered by just about anyone who played for a few days. What's the fun in beating those people when its not so different from beating up a CPU?

Yeah, I'm getting tired of people that choose and only use 3 characters (like in KoF2k2, where there's over 40 to choose from) for 10+ games. Very repetitive.

That said, I don't think Akuma is one of those easy characters in A3, but I do use Guy and Chun-Li alot. Guy is probably the best, but he's not easy to use.

[TigerGenocide]

What does that have to do with Online Courtesy?

[ChibiPotPie]

Chun-li is too overrated in A3 and she really isnt that easy to use. Her attack power is low, fb with monster recovery time, weak power, and low range, low reach, and her ability to do combos is also poor. Easy to use why? Air priority and speed? Pfff. Her air priority isnt all its cracked up to be. I dont even see why she is considered a middle tier when she should be a bottom tier. If youre letting some chun user beat you with just air attacks and trips then....... Im not saying this just because Im a chun user either. This so called easy tactics arent going to cut it when you play someone like ryu1999. I dont even play that way with her. X-ism chunli is only good for her extra power. That 0 range palm strike and spinning kick. Remember X-ism cant block in air so those air attacks and constant jump ins are suicide against a shoto, gief, or someone on vism. The only games chunli would be considered middle or top tier is sfa2 and ssf2t and even in those games especially ssf2t those easy tactics dont cut it against a pro.

In Kof2k2, I do only use 3 characters, but only because I am still learning them and I dont play the game often. Only one of the characters I use could be considered top-tier and the other 2 you actually have to know what youre doing.

[Soldier Zero]

Chun's no fun in a3, barely anything you do with her. Compare her against Gief, Sim, Akuma, etc. They have so many different attributes at their finger tips. Chun-Li is only good if a pro plays her, scrubs can't even be cheap with her.

[Emil]

Chun-li is too overrated in A3 and she really isnt that easy to use. Her attack power is low, fb with monster recovery time, weak power, and low range, low reach, and her ability to do combos is also poor. Easy to use why? Air priority and speed? Pfff. Her air priority isnt all its cracked up to be. I dont even see why she is considered a middle tier when she should be a bottom tier.

I disagree...I really don't see how her attack power is low (so perhaps her lightning legs is weak, and her projectile like everyone elses, is crap, but her supers and her normal moves do the same as any other character for the most part). As for the ability to do combos, that depends on the user (of course, she's no Guy, who has the biggest combos, but she has decent ones). Her crossups are also incredibly annoying. Her air priority is great if she jumps in with LK.

But anyhow, that's sort of going off-topic. I think the majority of kaillera nuisances have been covered though.

Edit: What's with so many people these days selecting the boss characters after they lose to a low tier character? I'm getting numerous people choosing Rugal in KoF2k2, or Red Arremer/Athena in SvC, because they lost to Kyo...

[Soldier Zero]

As for the ability to do combos, that depends on the user (of course, she's no Guy, who has the biggest combos, but she has decent ones). Her crossups are also incredibly annoying. Her air priority is great if she jumps in with LK.

She doesn't have too many practical combos, her cross-ups are just like any other character, her supers aren't very good. Air priorty is good though, she has plenty of moves to jump in with.

[Abar]

This ain't A3 thread, so I won't go into details...but

What makes chun easy to use;

Quick walk speed (easy ground pressure game and retal)
Quick jump speed (easy anti-air w/ j.LK, j.MP)
Triple jump (easy run-away)
Ability to crossup easily from anti-air or sweep at ANY range as long as opponent takes no recovery (Even then it can be followed up)
Easy anti-air (sweep, lever back fierce, crouching fierce)
Easy v-ism unblockable setup
Easy infinite from unblockable setup

Lack of long/powerful combo? Stop using X-ism

Either way, my point was not that chun was easy to use or what not...it was simply stated as an EXAMPLE. My main point was that a large majority of people use very limited variety of characters that are easy to use or are very powerful (and, maybe little of both). This creates a lack of diversity in gameplay especially when they all play as if they've read some sorta "gaming for dummies". Sure, those tactics won't work against true veterans, but not all of us are true veterans....and infact, we need to practice to become a true veteran. Playing against bunch of two-shoot scrubs ain't gonna help anyone get better (aside from maybe become comfortable with shooting down a same old tactic).

I think the problem here is that more and more people are misunderstanding the whole point of PvP gaming; PvP games, like all games, are supposed to be fun. However, the difference being a PvP game is a two-man (or 3, 4, or even 6) process where it require atleast two people to enjoy. If people start going selfish saying they just wanna have fun, it may ruin the experiance of other people that play the game. Of course, the standard of fun is different among everyone, but atleast try to play the game for the sake of gaming experiance and not some idiotic 'I wanna win no matter what', 'I wanna go fuck some dudes up and watch em bitch how cheap I was' mindset.

[SuperMarioBro]

And remember people, Sucking at games=/=Other Person is a Cheater,

[HZ!]

im gonna have to co-sign on the people using 3-4 characters ... its not necessarily couracy its just the other player gets bored as hell fighting the same battles over and over and over and over and over ...

hahaha yea when u beast someone they automaticly call u a cheater/hacker.

[Prozac`Nation]

Character selection is extremely game, and skill level, dependant.

Rather simply, at higher skills, players can use the same characters over and over and over again, and have intense amounts of fun, simply because there's so much depth going on in the specific matchup.

I can play XvsSF Shoto vs Shoto matches all day, as long as the other person knows what he's doing. If he doesn't, and he picks shotos constantly, it's gonna be boring, because it'll be the same shiz every time. If he 'does', there'll be a whole lot of variety.

[SiR_FoX]

Skill > Manner...

[gbursine]

anyone get pissed at the anti-black/US/christian/etc pple that are out on kallera?

I'm azn, but today the dude "white and proud" started spoutin shit, and outa nowhere starts his "I'm white & white is power black pple are dumb look at the statistics" shit... omg I was offend for the black pple... gay fukin shit.

[Emil]

anyone get pissed at the anti-black/US/christian/etc pple that are out on kallera?

Yeah, I've met up with alot of those people, most of them being either anti-black or anti-gay. I AM an anti-christian, but for good reasons...but either way, I don't spout anything about that unless there's some debate going on.

[Jeeebus!]

Yeah, the whole character picking thing can be annoying. But then again, if the other player is actually decent, the games can be fun.

But i'm tired of playing x1000000000000000000 ken matches, where the other player is a total scrub. There's only one guy on here who keeps picking Ken and is decent (don't know your srk nick).

I always try and mix up my character usage between gief, a/x-chun, x-rolento, and others if it gets boring.

What's REALLY getting annoying is the hackers. It's died down from a few years back, but you still have the occasional idiot who joines, closes the game, or keeps joining/leaving causing tons of lag and game jamming. And it's no point getting the protected kailleras because noone else has them anyway.

[Boleslaw]

yeah anti anything is pretty much lame, i mean i know i cant change the way anyone thinks, but we're here to play pocket fighter (shown to be the most popular game on kaillera) not to try and indoctrinate others to our way of thinking or spout stupid bigoted shit, nothing really annoys me as much as the chauvanism though as i am an ardent feminist 4 lief

[sakarau]

Are you talking about me Jeebus :x? Probably not =/ lol

[Mokura]

Hehe ppl join and leave my room all day long when I host Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts!

Bout the "GG" comment,

Yeah, sometimes I feel that's a way to rub in a victory, though I'm sure I've done it myself (I'll try not to). I rmbr gettin murdered by Abrahm in SMB3 Battle Game, but I'd stil get a "Good Matches" or w/e after each set. But even if the matches are rather lopsided, I think it's a good idea, and even polite, to say "GGS" if you both have been playin for a good while (or at least a "thx for playin").

For individual matches, I personally think that the winner should be the won to say "GG" and not the loser. But that's just how I play.

[ryuu]

Skill > Manner...
agreed 100%. I would play a guy that's a bigger dick than LK69, just as long as he's good

[Juchel.Zero]

lol ryu1999, i DID felt like saying gg at MOST rounds because even if i lost, the game was still good. Hey i have fun losing tho !!

[genocide]

I think especially after the first game its polite to say 'gg'.

Had someone the other day on SFA3 who lost 10 matches in a row and didnt reply to any of my comments, which pissed me off.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

how about people not saying redundant shit like "I have the best <insert character name> on kaillera".

First you haven't played everyone on kaillera to make such a ridculous claim.
second remember that 90% of people don't play to there best due to lag, using a keyboard etc.
No. 3, no-one gives a fuck, it's kaillera not fucking SBO.

[DeusFNL]

I don't know if somebody said this already, so ill go ahead and say it. I suck at fighting games, ALOT. Most (not all) people who play me will probably beat me, sometimes horibly. As such, dont start posting in that chatroom non-stop about how much someone sucks, as a player by the name of mustang started doing recently.

If you had no trouble beating that person, that's fine, but don't go around saying, especially for more than 10 posts, about how someone sucks.

[IzunaDrop]

As far as the 3-4 character thing goes...that's not entirely fair. Not everyone CAN play as a lot of characters. I know a few people that only know how to play as 2 characters on SSF2T(Cammy and Chun) I don't get on their case about it when I play as Vega, Ryu, Ken, Chun, Cammy, DeeJay, Bison, Blanka, and Fei Long.

I play to learn. You won't hear me complaining. I watch what happens in the match, and then try to overcome it. I hear that's rare. If you see that the person isn't like that, then just make up an excuse to leave or something. Be nice about it. Don't just say, "bye" and then boot them. That is REALLY rude. You know the saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right." That really is true. Just cause they're rude, you don't have to be.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

^^^

the thing is if someone only plays one or 2 character, within 2-3 games you can already see patterns. by the fifth game (lag permitting) their tactics don't even work anymore and you begin to win with ease. if they still don't change the game becomes less of a challenge and u get bored. once that happens out comes the "ggs" or "last game"

[IzunaDrop]

Yes, I see your point Rocklee. Makes sense.

[GoLD-ReaVeR]

If that were the case people wouldn't be terran players for 5 years in korea...

Just don't try the same thing over and over with a char. Normally the game leaves a lot of options:)

[ChibiPotPie]

As far as the 3-4 character thing goes...that's not entirely fair. Not everyone CAN play as a lot of characters. I know a few people that only know how to play as 2 characters on SSF2T(Cammy and Chun) I don't get on their case about it when I play as Vega, Ryu, Ken, Chun, Cammy, DeeJay, Bison, Blanka, and Fei Long.

I play to learn. You won't hear me complaining. I watch what happens in the match, and then try to overcome it. I hear that's rare.


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[luxxx]

Quote
"I play to learn. You won't hear me complaining. I watch what happens in the match, and then try to overcome it. I hear that's rare."

Yea, you have a lot of peeps that say that but I get anywhere from 3-5 players who just drop without saying anything after getting raped EVERY night. I think that's pretty rude. I'd WELCOME an opponent who can rack up wins against me. It's been so long since that's happened.

[10,000 Volts]

Is there anyone out there can help me connect to Zbattle? I'm having a tough time trying to figure this thing out.

Here is my setup:

- I have the latest version of ZSNES installed
- I have the games I need to play
- I am on a wireless network and my firewall is off on my PC
- I have port forwarding setup on my Linksys router
- I have the latest version of Zbattle installed
- I can connect to Z and I see games being hosted
- I can also create my own games
- When I host a game and I start, I get a waiting for server message

Is there anything I'm missing?

Any asistance will be greatly appreciated. I'm really looking forward to playing all of you soon.

10K

[RWD]

Sounds like your router is blocking the UDP connection, I used to have the exact same problem as well.

The best advice I can give is check out this thread:
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102675

It got my router working with Zbattle, so hopefully it will help you too.

[Kyokuji]

Volts, if you're not a troll (Which I'm betting you are), quit posting this stuff in other topics and make your own.

[10,000 Volts]

RWD: Many thanks for the link. I'm gonna try to resolve my issue with that info.

Kyokuji: Stop beaing an ass. I posted here because in case you haven't noticed, even when people make their own threads, questions rarely get answered if at all. I posted here because this thread was active.

10K

[Kyokuji]

'Eh, theres' plenty of help topics on the front page that have over 5 replies.

[lunar]

Latly Godweapon has been PLAGUED by rude ass mofos in SFA3, and I'm starting to get tired of the same ole thing. I heard tomass was making a list, if so where is this posted so I can avoid these people?

First of all, if you use autofire, dont lie about it, it doesnt even bother me if you do use it. Becuase when I beat you while not using it myself, it says alot about your skills. Its a handicap, so I guess it will level the playing field againts those who are better than you.

Second, when you leave, you should always say last game right before character select screen, so it gives the other player a chance to pick his best if he so wishes. Taking advatage of the fact that he pics a character he dosent normally use (Or isnt one of the characters he was winning with) then beating him and shouting OWNED right before you drop is just a sign of how much of a scrub you are.

Also, if you want to pick chars like Gief, Chun, and Mika, and just do their cheapest moves over and over, dont think ur the shit becuase you can catch people off gaurd and abuse them verbally for it.

If people would have less of an ego, be less self sentered, drop the pride, and have a little empathy(wow, this is America, I know its hard for you people but you can do it!), then people might actually be able to make friends and learn how to play better.

I know there are people who's sole purpose for playing is to win, at any cost. I'm not like that, unless I want to prove a point or win a tourny. I play for fun and I respect all who play me, untill the diss me first.

[Eishi]

Second, when you leave, you should always say last game right before character select screen, so it gives the other player a chance to pick his best if he so wishes.

Yeah, but sometimes not picking their best is a way to protect their ego. That way, they can say "I lost but I wasn't using my best character", it gives them an excuse and I think that's lame. If you are trying new characters, it's ok, but if all of a sudden when the other guy says "last game" you switch to your best character, it only means that you are trying to prove something.

Oh and let me tell you that you will find the exact same type of idiots on european servers, it's universal. When I first started playing on kaillera I would always argue with them, now I simply ignore them and move on.

[NeloFelony]

I say jsut let the assholes be assholes there just games which shouldnt be takien al lserious and shit

[Plutoburn]

Yeah, but sometimes not picking their best is a way to protect their ego. That way, they can say "I lost but I wasn't using my best character", it gives them an excuse and I think that's lame. If you are trying new characters, it's ok, but if all of a sudden when the other guy says "last game" you switch to your best character, it only means that you are trying to prove something..

So picking best char = trying to prove something, not picking best char = protecting ego, funny I never felt one way or the other no matter who I pick. I just try to win, are we playing street fighter or psychology fighter?

[Eishi]

So picking best char = trying to prove something, not picking best char = protecting ego, funny I never felt one way or the other no matter who I pick. I just try to win, are we playing street fighter or psychology fighter?

Note that I said "sometimes" and that I was talking about a particular situation (changing char all of a sudden because you know it's the last game).

And yes, I like street fighter AND psychology fighter :).

[ChibiPotPie]

Latly Godweapon has been PLAGUED by rude ass mofos in SFA3, and I'm starting to get tired of the same ole thing. I heard tomass was making a list, if so where is this posted so I can avoid these people?

Also, if you want to pick chars like Gief, Chun, and Mika, and just do their cheapest moves over and over, dont think ur the shit becuase you can catch people off gaurd and abuse them verbally for it.


Being a chun player on godweapon is a crime. I'm either going to have to learn a new character or stop playing a3, because recent games I've been having players have been getting an attidude with or "looking down on" me. I don't play the game that much and I try to have fun, but when the other player is saying mean stuff or getting pissed its hard to. :sad: :sad: :sad:

[Slide]

Also, if you want to pick chars like Gief, Chun, and Mika, and just do their cheapest moves over and over, dont think ur the shit becuase you can catch people off gaurd and abuse them verbally for it.

People are cheaping with Mika now? I mean, how? The most picked a3 fighters on kal(atleast when i played on it), HARD counter Mika.

So there's now cheap Mikas, and autofire A-Guys.

Order must be restored. Wait like 2 months.

[Emil]

Also, if you want to pick chars like Gief, Chun, and Mika, and just do their cheapest moves over and over, dont think ur the shit becuase you can catch people off gaurd and abuse them verbally for it.

What are these cheap moves? There's a difference between using really good moves over and over, and using lag tactics that wouldn't work normally, over and over (which I assume is what you mean).

I know there are people who's sole purpose for playing is to win, at any cost. I'm not like that, unless I want to prove a point or win a tourny. I play for fun and I respect all who play me, untill the diss me first.

Some people find it fun to play the way you said...playing to win while abusing the cheapest moves is fun to them.

[Slide]

What are these cheap moves? There's a difference between using really good moves over and over, and using lag tactics that wouldn't work normally, over and over (which I assume is what you mean).

Gief: splash. jump down+fierce. Such a dominate move in general, for some characters the timing is strict to counter it. On kal, timing your stops for a gief splash is 10x harder than gief doing the splash itself. Some characters have to crouch jab it, and the timing is hella deep and kal is annoying with that. Splash is BRAINDEAD on kal.

Chun: jump short. stand fierce. crouch roundhouse. repeat, throw in cross up jump short to start it for good measure. Switch stand fierce for a throw instead. The mixup on it's own causes mad GC damage. Then you super when their guard is crushed.
There are reversal timings in between Chun's pokes but with kal's lag it's harder than what chun is doing. Offline this shit doesn't fly cause people activate in her fucking face. But on kal it's much easier to do, and BRAINDEAD on kal.

Soon i'll get posts by people saying that it's not that easy to do that shit with Chun and Gief. Bullshit, it's easy on kaillera.

OFFLINE these tactics work, but have to be fucking thoroughly thought out. Cause people don't have a hard time stopping that bs, when their moves actually come out when executed. It sucks that a tactic that is actually decent, is used but the stops for it is just too strict, and people get comfortable in their kaillera zone.

EDIT: kaillera v-ism users: Tell me, how many times has gief jumped at you with a splash, you hit activate only to get splashed in the face? How many times have you watched the chun you're fighting go from stand fierce to the crouch roundhouse, you trying to activate in between the crouch roundhouse... only to get SWEPT??

Point exactly. Activating V only takes 2 buttons. And on kaillera sometimes you gotta MASH it in order for it to actually come out, and then it comes out 2 seconds later(am I exaggeratting the time? who knows).

[Jappo]

Being a chun player on godweapon is a crime. I'm either going to have to learn a new character or stop playing a3, because recent games I've been having players have been getting an attidude with or "looking down on" me. I don't play the game that much and I try to have fun, but when the other player is saying mean stuff or getting pissed its hard to. :sad: :sad: :sad:

This is true. I don't really know the tiers to this game aside v-akuma and v-ryu or something, so I usually pick either Karin or Cammy, but one time I was playing and I thought, "Hey, since I play Chun in ST, why not give her a whirl?"

The minute I picked her, the guy I was playing started talking mad shit to me with things like, "Only scrubs play her, she's a noob character, etc..."

I'm trying to get into A3, but with people like this out there, it's not very welcoming. =/

[Eishi]

Chunli is a very dangerous character, and she's certainly not low tier. I consider her mid/high mid. I have some match videos featuring Kenji, who I beleive is the best chunli player in Japan. You can see him play against top players using top tier characters and he does really well.


I also think that she's -relatively- easy to use, and here's why :

- her crossup is a nightmare. Its hitbox it fucking huge so you don't have to position yourself very precisely to do it

- she has an easy, very effective mixup :

crossup lk -> hp -> cr. hk
-> crossup lk -> (same as above...)
-> throw

This alone can drive you crazy.

- fast walking speed, which makes it very easy to catch the opponent off guard

- her cr.hk is too good. Comes out fast, huge hitbox and can be used as an almost universal anti air


Add the online lag and you have one of the biggest bitches on earth.

However I don't look down on people just because they use her, and I will respect a chunli player's skills if I think he uses her well.

[TOMA$$]

Latly Godweapon has been PLAGUED by rude ass mofos in SFA3, and I'm starting to get tired of the same ole thing. I heard tomass was making a list, if so where is this posted so I can avoid these people?

First of all, if you use autofire, dont lie about it, it doesnt even bother me if you do use it. Becuase when I beat you while not using it myself, it says alot about your skills. Its a handicap, so I guess it will level the playing field againts those who are better than you.

Second, when you leave, you should always say last game right before character select screen, so it gives the other player a chance to pick his best if he so wishes. Taking advatage of the fact that he pics a character he dosent normally use (Or isnt one of the characters he was winning with) then beating him and shouting OWNED right before you drop is just a sign of how much of a scrub you are.

Also, if you want to pick chars like Gief, Chun, and Mika, and just do their cheapest moves over and over, dont think ur the shit becuase you can catch people off gaurd and abuse them verbally for it.

If people would have less of an ego, be less self sentered, drop the pride, and have a little empathy(wow, this is America, I know its hard for you people but you can do it!), then people might actually be able to make friends and learn how to play better.

I know there are people who's sole purpose for playing is to win, at any cost. I'm not like that, unless I want to prove a point or win a tourny. I play for fun and I respect all who play me, untill the diss me first.




amen brother amen

i am making a list i have about 10 on it right now. and i couldn't agree with you more about the zangief, cunt li, and rmika bullshit. people do not understand that there is absolutley NO skill involved in any of those characters. unless your doing crouch cancel vism otgs and the like. and i can definatley assure you that 99% of the scrubs that choose these characters don't know an otg from the hole in their ass.

but anyways man next time i see you i will give you that list, maybe you have some fresh new names to add to it.

later

t:rock:mass

[DRADIX]

Gief: splash. jump down+fierce. Such a dominate move in general, for some characters the timing is strict to counter it. On kal, timing your stops for a gief splash is 10x harder than gief doing the splash itself. Some characters have to crouch jab it, and the timing is hella deep and kal is annoying with that. Splash is BRAINDEAD on kal.

Chun: jump short. stand fierce. crouch roundhouse. repeat, throw in cross up jump short to start it for good measure. Switch stand fierce for a throw instead. The mixup on it's own causes mad GC damage. Then you super when their guard is crushed.
There are reversal timings in between Chun's pokes but with kal's lag it's harder than what chun is doing. Offline this shit doesn't fly cause people activate in her fucking face. But on kal it's much easier to do, and BRAINDEAD on kal.

Soon i'll get posts by people saying that it's not that easy to do that shit with Chun and Gief. Bullshit, it's easy on kaillera.

OFFLINE these tactics work, but have to be fucking thoroughly thought out. Cause people don't have a hard time stopping that bs, when their moves actually come out when executed. It sucks that a tactic that is actually decent, is used but the stops for it is just too strict, and people get comfortable in their kaillera zone.

EDIT: kaillera v-ism users: Tell me, how many times has gief jumped at you with a splash, you hit activate only to get splashed in the face? How many times have you watched the chun you're fighting go from stand fierce to the crouch roundhouse, you trying to activate in between the crouch roundhouse... only to get SWEPT??

Point exactly. Activating V only takes 2 buttons. And on kaillera sometimes you gotta MASH it in order for it to actually come out, and then it comes out 2 seconds later(am I exaggeratting the time? who knows).

I completely agree with you here. I love SFA3 when I play it on PS. I considered myself to be a good player as Street Fighters were always my best fighting games. I decided to give it a try on Kaillera and all I met were Zangief's and Chun-Li's. I mean when I lost I did not really make much of it but then I kept trying and realised that no matter what I did I could not stop those moves on Kaillera. I do not mind losing as it helps me learn something but all this helped me do was realise that I could not stop it. This gets frustrating quickly so now I only play SFA3 offline with people around campus. Also, the SFA3 people I have played online seem to be rather ill-mannered. I mean the nonsense they do would never work on me offline but they insist on typing "noob" and "OWNED" when all they do is spoil the fun of the game.

[rising_player]

Only problem I get is people saying cheap everytime I use strider's super.

Other than that I pretty much face friendly people, or people who don't chat at all.

[Xorcist]

Let me just throw this out there for the hell of it, because it's happened to me numerous times and I'm not sure which way I truely feel about this. This is related to the people who only know like 2 or 3 chars really well. Sometimes I'll encounter an opponent who is obviously far above my skill level with a particular character. Now that's all good and well, and I'll take a beating for a while, but when it becomes apparent I don't have much of a chance of ever winning... I usually state it (and I'm a pretty good sport most of the time, hell several people here have given some good 20 streaks in Garou, and I'm not complaining).

But my question is... what is the expected courtesy on the other side of the fence. Should the person simply play for fun and pick a new character? Should they stick by the "law of the quarter" and insist on being beaten first, even if they joined your game? Or should the person just say GGs and leave allowing you to find a new opponent? Because honestly I don't see the fun for either person when it's so one sided. Or does fun have nothing to do with this? Is it all about being the best? and if so... would the best even stick around long enough to drill a less experienced player that far into the ground without even a word of advice?

Personally, if I beat a person more than 5 times with a character, I usually switch up just to be fair. Or I'll give them some tips so they can learn why I'm doing so well. Yet a majority of the time I almost never see this out any of my opponents, especially the ones that are hardcore framedata freaks with a license to kill. :lovin:

so what are your thoughts?

P.S. I hate people who own you up hard, say nothing the entire time, then say "last one" as if they've grown tired and awefully bored of you. While that may be true, I'd rather someone say, "well I gotta go" or "ggs, cya around", "last one" comes across as just being an ass.

[woof]

they keep playing you hoping you'll learn something

or they're having fun

or both





that's why i do eeeet

[Overworld]

I tend to have a lot of fun with people who play random, only because I so oft play random and you get to have matches with characters that a lot of people just never pick in some games.

But I don't think there is any established proper etiquette when it comes to such online. I certainly wouldn't be offended if a person told me to give him a break a few rounds.

[Darth Kidd]

God, why can't I fight you guys on Kaillera? I can't stand people online sometimes, they take shit so seriously that they forget they play the game because it's fun.

[Emil]

God, why can't I fight you guys on Kaillera? I can't stand people online sometimes, they take shit so seriously that they forget they play the game because it's fun.

To you they might look like they are taking it seriously, to them they are having fun.

[Darth Kidd]

To you they might look like they are taking it seriously, to them they are having fun.

Man, I know I have fun when I get so into a game that I'd rather starve myself than lose.

[EndLeSS8]

I'd rather lose than turtle or run away.

Death before dishonour.



And ppl who taunt after finally winning a round when I beat them 3+ fights = lose

[MaybeMemories]

-dont taunt post win
-dont complain
-stop pressing the fucking COIN button b/w matches.

[Spinning Beat]

Why do people bleed on their rag when people taunt post win?

I never understood that shit, its like that one time some guy on Kaillera got mad when I did a crawler assault on his dead strider in MVC online.

[Shungokustasu]

I hate it when people ask me if i'm downloading something in the background. No, I have a slow ass connection. Bare with it and take the ass whipping like a man.:rofl: j/k I enjoy all types of people. Even the kids who crys mommy.

[Spinning Beat]

. No, I have a slow ass connection. Bare with it and take the ass whipping like a man.:rofl: j/k

Joke or not, I like this guy already.

[kev_the_bev]

I remember once I was playing SFII Champion Edition with this guy named Rambo who cursed like none other

[Soldier Zero]

Why do people bleed on their rag when people taunt post win?

I never understood that shit, its like that one time some guy on Kaillera got mad when I did a crawler assault on his dead strider in MVC online.

Not sure, but I like to taunt after the opponent's dead since I know I won't get hit.

[AcidGlow]

I remember once I was playing SFII Champion Edition with this guy named Rambo who cursed like none other

He's annoying and impatient.


-stop pressing the fucking COIN button b/w matches.

They forget free play is on @_@

[Emil]

Let me just throw this out there for the hell of it, because it's happened to me numerous times and I'm not sure which way I truely feel about this. This is related to the people who only know like 2 or 3 chars really well. Sometimes I'll encounter an opponent who is obviously far above my skill level with a particular character. Now that's all good and well, and I'll take a beating for a while, but when it becomes apparent I don't have much of a chance of ever winning... I usually state it (and I'm a pretty good sport most of the time, hell several people here have given some good 20 streaks in Garou, and I'm not complaining).

But my question is... what is the expected courtesy on the other side of the fence. Should the person simply play for fun and pick a new character? Should they stick by the "law of the quarter" and insist on being beaten first, even if they joined your game? Or should the person just say GGs and leave allowing you to find a new opponent? Because honestly I don't see the fun for either person when it's so one sided. Or does fun have nothing to do with this? Is it all about being the best? and if so... would the best even stick around long enough to drill a less experienced player that far into the ground without even a word of advice?

Personally, if I beat a person more than 5 times with a character, I usually switch up just to be fair. Or I'll give them some tips so they can learn why I'm doing so well. Yet a majority of the time I almost never see this out any of my opponents, especially the ones that are hardcore framedata freaks with a license to kill. :lovin:

so what are your thoughts?

P.S. I hate people who own you up hard, say nothing the entire time, then say "last one" as if they've grown tired and awefully bored of you. While that may be true, I'd rather someone say, "well I gotta go" or "ggs, cya around", "last one" comes across as just being an ass.

Dude, just do what you want...personally I don't like people trying to make up fake reasons for why they are going to leave. I just tell people exactly what I'm thinking...I think "last one" is actually quite appropriate if you're bored with your opponent, instead of making up things like "ggs, cya around" which is totally untruthful.

[Karasu]

Hmm, I agree with Xor on that P.S.

Be polite and say "Well i'm going to head out" or something along those lines, instead of "Last one" because it is rather rude. It does say "You bore me, I am above you so it's not worth the effort". That's not right. We kaillerians [lol], should try and be nice and civil, not moronic and rude. Less attitude and "i pwned u ***" and more "That was a gg man" along with some politeness/maturity.

[Emil]

Hmm, I agree with Xor on that P.S.

Be polite and say "Well i'm going to head out" or something along those lines, instead of "Last one" because it is rather rude.

But I'm not going out. Are you trying to make yourself feel better by wanting to hear a reason from them that isn't negative, but is rather just a lie? You're just deluding yourself then...really, all this fake GGs stuff is just resulting in an atmosphere where no one is truthful, and instead will seem like everyone is talking behind other people's back (because they will say ggs to you, then post some shit in a forum). I think that's worse than just saying things as they are.

Just look at the GGs thread...95% of the posts there are NOT sincere at all. It's incredibly fake.

[Karasu]

I half-agree with what you say. I am one of those people who dont say GG every ten seconds after a fight, I dont see the point and like you said, it's incredibly fake and holds no weight. It is rather funny though when a person keeps beating you, they keep saying gg, but when you then start beating them a lot, they stfu lol. So yes, it's fake and that needs to change right there.

When I say we should be more "Hey i'm going to head out man" instead of 'last one', we should be saying that with sincerity or truth. If you are playing someone, and you're getting a lot of wins, but you dont wanna play the game anymore, you could just say that really but be polite and sincere about it. "I really don't feel like playing ___ anymore, i'm going to make another game or join up somewhere else alright?" Explaining it instead of being outright cold can make it better for the person you're playing, and in turn cause people to be more civil and polite online.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm sure there will be one person who will be ANGRY. He will not like to lose and if he losing he'll be angry at you. Personally...dont feed into his anger, tell him you disagree with what he's saying, and if he does continue, you dont have to be harrassed anymore, just say gg and head out. I understand not everyone is going to be sincere and nice, but can't we just start at one point and just maybe it will spread and we'll have a decent fighting community.

[luxxx]

But my question is... what is the expected courtesy on the other side of the fence. Should the person simply play for fun and pick a new character? Should they stick by the "law of the quarter" and insist on being beaten first, even if they joined your game? Or should the person just say GGs and leave allowing you to find a new opponent? Because honestly I don't see the fun for either person when it's so one sided. Or does fun have nothing to do with this? Is it all about being the best? and if so... would the best even stick around long enough to drill a less experienced player that far into the ground without even a word of advice?
so what are your thoughts?

I used to stick around with less experienced players to help improve their game. Most people would leave because they didn't enjoy losing. If the situation were reversed I would look at it as a learning experience...

[bo1ng]

I make clear that I am a new player beforehand so that people can avoid me if they're looking for a challenge and yet I still get abused for not being good occasionally. The worst two that I remember were called cem and DJ Gouki, and they weren't even that good themselves. I hope they don't act like that face to face at arcades. The fact that they still have the use of their arms means they don't I guess.
Fortunately I've met quite many more nice people willing to help me learn.

Also, people who mash start/coin before 3s starts and/or between rounds are annoying. And others who join and quickly leave a game, multiple times now and then, meaning I have to restart MAME. What the fuck is that all about?

[Chachi]

I didn't think the phrase "last one" had such a rude connotation to it. I don't try to be a dick when I'm playing someone, but I like to keep things short and simple so I don't eat a combo when I'm trying to type something. Kind of hard keeping a friendly conversation going when both sides are trying to combo the other dude's face off...

If I said something like "I'm bored of your no-skilled cumslurping fagass" then I could see why they would be upset, but that's not my style.

[COUM]

But I'm not going out. Are you trying to make yourself feel better by wanting to hear a reason from them that isn't negative, but is rather just a lie? You're just deluding yourself then...really, all this fake GGs stuff is just resulting in an atmosphere where no one is truthful, and instead will seem like everyone is talking behind other people's back (because they will say ggs to you, then post some shit in a forum). I think that's worse than just saying things as they are.

Just look at the GGs thread...95% of the posts there are NOT sincere at all. It's incredibly fake.

no emil its not insincere its a matter of basic courtesy and the fact that one-sided games can still warrant "ggs" simply because the opponent was a nice guy to play with. it's not all about skill at the game. of course i dont expect a shut-in like you to understand this.

[Aremsi]

So far, I haven't had any problems on Kaillera or GGPO. Everyone seems friendly enough.

[JackHound214D]

So far, I haven't had any problems on Kaillera or GGPO. Everyone seems friendly enough.

GGPO has a big problem with people acting like asshole. The "98" spam from the Asian population lags the servers, and it pisses people off, thus lighting a fire. There is also a lot of trash talking in the a3 room. A lot. I don't go back to GGPO much now because a) I don't like a3, and no one plays a2 anymore b) The KoF spam is annoying, and laggy c) I'm sick of trying to learn how to play KoF or a3 or something else, only to have the ill fated "You suck" come along and kick me in the teeth, along with the opponent leaving. People do not have a good amount of courtesy or respect on GGPO.

#srkkaillera on the other hand has been a good time for me, and I am glad I found out about it and how to play online through it.

[Lord BBH]

The "98" spam from the Asian population lags the servers,

no it doesn't

yes the 9898989898 spam is annoying, but that is not what's lagging the server down. It's the number of people on.

[Miller483]

I just started using GGPO a few days ago. I like it a little better than Kaillera because people can actually put up with my suckiness :)

[Riot Guard]

Please don't type "gg" after every single freaking match

That's just being considerate if you ask me. Now after every round is a different story.

[DRCsyntax]

That's just being considerate if you ask me. Now after every round is a different story.

That's not considerate, that stuff is annoying, I'm online to play, not say GG after every single match, especially if it wasn't even a GG

[troll_hammer]

That's not considerate, that stuff is annoying, I'm online to play, not say GG after every single match, especially if it wasn't even a GG

So what do you suggest someone say if they get owned or vice versa?

[DRCsyntax]

So what do you suggest someone say if they get owned or vice versa?

If you're getting owned, don't say shit, try harder; if anything compliment their ass kicking prowess.

If you're winning, your game play is already saying enough; anything more is cocky.




Now, when you leave, it IS considerate to say GGs, but GG after every match? No way.

90% Of the matches I play online, not a word is uttered unless we're A)Talking shit to each other or B)We say GGs at the end.

The other 10% is either talking to a friend that I'm playing, or giving people pointers that they asked for.

[nikkos010]

If you're getting owned, don't say shit, try harder; if anything compliment their ass kicking prowess.

If you're winning, your game play is already saying enough; anything more is cocky.




Now, when you leave, it IS considerate to say GGs, but GG after every match? No way.

90% Of the matches I play online, not a word is uttered unless we're A)Talking shit to each other or B)We say GGs at the end.

The other 10% is either talking to a friend that I'm playing, or giving people pointers that they asked for.


I'm not sure what I think about this. I just started playing online (GGPO) a couple days ago. I want to be seen as a respectful opponent, I'm not gonna be a challenge to experienced players, but I want to play and have fun. I see too much shit-talking and hate-speak on the channels already, and I don't even bother challenging those people.

I've been saying GG after the first couple matches, then make friendly comments as time goes by; something along the lines of "you've got a tough Chiun" or "nice!" or "great finish!" When I lose (I lose mostly anyway)

I can't help how people read/interpret those comments - even on this thread some people hate "ggs" while some people don't mind at all. I'll keep trying to be nice, though I will limit the "ggs" a bit since it could be misconstrued.

[stretch]

I want to be seen as a respectful opponent, I'm not gonna be a challenge to experienced players, but I want to play and have fun. I see too much shit-talking and hate-speak on the channels already, and I don't even bother challenging those people.I, too, just want to be seen as a respectful player. What DRCsyntax posted is what I've done, and still doing. Simply, just don't be annoying, and atleast say GG at the end.