Street Fighter 12 Spoilers and Discussions [Archive]

Saturius

12-29-2004, 12:54 PM

The issue starts with two dolls capturing Cammy. Inside the Shadowloo base, Cammy finds herself in a test tube. Here she recalls how the dolls were captured from around the world and trained to be elite soldiers and assassins. Delta Red and Chun Li burst into the base and Luwanda frees Cammy. There's a fight scene with several dolls. It's revealed that Decapre, the doll that looks like Cammy, is basically a clone that wasn't perfected. Cammy was the result of the perfect clone. When Cammy knocks off Decapre's mask, it's badly scarred or something. Colonel Wolfman tries to find the psycho drive component but the Scientist already has it. The scientists also unleashes Blanka on Delta Red. Blanka is knocked out by Luwanda. The dolls and the Scientist escape via helicopter. In Las Vegas, Ryu is with Ken to take wedding photos. Elsewhere in Las Vegas, Balrog and Vega decide to crash the party later.

Thoughts: Okay issue. I'll be really glad when we take a huge break from Delta Red. They're getting a little too much face time in my opinion and they're not even main Street Fighter characters. The bit with Ryu having no shoes was funny. The backup story was alright. But again, did we really need ANOTHER story about Cammy and Delta Red.

Ender120

12-29-2004, 12:57 PM

Thoughts: Okay issue. I'll be really glad when we take a huge break from Delta Red. They're getting a little too much face time in my opinion and they're not even main Street Fighter characters. The bit with Ryu having no shoes was funny. The backup story was alright. But again, did we really need ANOTHER story about Cammy and Delta Red.

Especially with Luwanda knocking out Blanka.

I haven't read the issue, and don't know how she did it, but still- she's not a street fighter.

I thought SF characters were held to a higher standard of fighting and durability than normal humans, even special government agents.

To have Blanka knocked out by anyone other than another SF character is a knock on him, as far as I'm concerned.

Saturius

12-29-2004, 01:20 PM

Well she snuck up behind him and knocked him out. The scene went like this. Blanka does a rolling ball and hits Luwanda. Chun Li tries to do a drop kick on him but he does his ball roll thing and knocks her out. McCoy grabs him but then Blanka electrifies him. Blanka is afraid to approach Cammy since he has memories of her kicking the crap out of him. That's when Luwanda knocks him out. Yeah, these Delta Red people are pretty strong. They easily take on the Dolls, who are supposed to be elite. But then again, Delta Red is supposed to be hot stuff as well I guess. My main problem is Chun Li. Isn't she supposed to be a gifted fighter? She keeps losing all the time. She lost to Charlie, she lost to Cammy, and the rematch she had with Cammy found her getting dominated. I thought next to Rose, she was the strongest woman according to the storyline? Her throwing one measly punch at a doll this issue isn't enough. We need to see why she's strong. Random thungs aren't gonna cut it. She needs at least one fight against another Street Fighter where she's shown at excelling in her fighting ability. And enough Cammy stuff. I like her but I need a break from her as well.

udoneko

12-29-2004, 02:27 PM

Sano

12-29-2004, 02:38 PM

Ahhhh... I get my issue one hour from now, I can't wait! Must... resist... reading... these posts...

LoneWolfZ

12-29-2004, 03:37 PM

I like the coloring for the last 2 pages on Ken's wedding pic.

TiamatRoar

12-29-2004, 03:47 PM

Blanka... knocks out Chun-Li and then is taken out by Delta Red? Wow, no wonder why people are starting to complain about Delta Red. No one seems to be complaining about the Dolls though. Maybe it's because the Dolls are just that much cooler! ...okay, either that or it's because it's hard to complain about them when they are obviously there mostly to job to others. ...including Delta Red! But everyone seems to be jobbing to Delta Red, now. *snicker*

*ahem* Anyways, regardless, I look forward to when I get my hands on this issue.

Muahahahaha, so when do they reveal that Blanka is Charlie captured and mutated by Shadaloo? Just kidding, of course! :P

chimitaru

12-29-2004, 04:01 PM

TiamatRoar

12-29-2004, 05:59 PM

Artayes

12-29-2004, 07:13 PM

Apathy-Inc

12-29-2004, 07:38 PM

wait a second!I am getting my issue thursday,but you say that Blanka is unleased by the scientists of shadowloo? And he pauses when he remembers that Cammy kicked the crap out of him in the past????I thought he was supposed to be in the jungles of brazil. He should NOT have anything to do with shadowloo and he is NOT a bad guy.He joins the tournament to find his mom.He is friends with DAN and sakura in alpha. When does he become an allie of bison's? Was he genetically mutated by shadowloo in the comic? What is going on here??? I hope I am not overreacting but this sounds totally horrible. Please someone tell me its not true and there is a logical explanation for this. :lame: I have loved and supported this comic from the beginning,but PLEASE UDON,DON'T SCREW THINGS UP!! This is starting to sound like that piece of shit garbage live action movie. Hopefully I am wrong and maybe someone can explain things better.

My take on it is that Blanka, like DJ and Charlie, was captured by Shadowloo and brainwashed. It seems the most obvious. He was used in the training of the dolls (in this case Cammy). Since he's from Brazil, and they're IN Brazil, it just makes sense for him to show up. I highly doubt Udon is doing anything from the movie, so calm down.
They can't do every single little minor story detail in the comic. There's just too many characters and it would become a cluttered mess. I don't see anyone complaining about E.Honda's role, or Zangief.

The only thing I had issue with was the print quality of the colors for the backup story and alternate cover. I know for a fact the colors were much brighter and better than what was printed.

The V

12-29-2004, 08:31 PM

My main problem is Chun Li. Isn't she supposed to be a gifted fighter? She keeps losing all the time. She lost to Charlie, she lost to Cammy, and the rematch she had with Cammy found her getting dominated. I thought next to Rose, she was the strongest woman according to the storyline? Her throwing one measly punch at a doll this issue isn't enough. We need to see why she's strong. Random thungs aren't gonna cut it. She needs at least one fight against another Street Fighter where she's shown at excelling in her fighting ability.

Not being at their full potential happens to main characters in comics all the time, but main characters generally triumph when it really counts. For example, someone gave me the Hush trades for x-mas and I was a bit surprised that Superman could be controlled by a Poison Ivy, someone much lower in power level, but when it really counted Superman broke free. I think it creates a sense of mortality or vulnerability in a character that makes their eventual triumph greater.

BBCampbell

12-29-2004, 08:39 PM

Admiral Akbar

12-30-2004, 08:43 AM

i am so mad that u people at udon have decided to make cammy a mere clone!! YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED!!! every cammy fan has loathed the possibility of her being a clone and wat do you do, YOU MAKE HER A CLONE!!! 4 SOME REASON MY COMIC STORE WASN'T ABLE TO GET THIS ISSUE I HAVE TO WAIT TILL TOMMOROW TO RECEIVE IT! BUT GETTING THE ISSUE IN MY HAND WILL ONLY FURTHER MY ANGER. and second of all we need more cammy in this comic!! brief fights with chun-li and half an issue all to herself isnt cutting it! but i do appreciate that u are all giving cammy some recognition.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dear god, that made my day.

Anyhow, did anyone feel that the art was kind of off this issue? A lot of detail was lacking. Maybe it's also because I find the delta red characters to be visually unimpressive. The Ryu, Ken, Vega and Balrog scene, however, I was very impressed with.

"This is one technique I have no practiced enough"

God, I love Ryu as the isolated-from-culture fighter.

And about those people who had contentions with Blanka working with Shadaloo, it looked like he was just a wild animal they captured that they were using. I donmt even think he was brainwashed. It looks like he was just going haywire on everyone around him, which coincidentally, werent any of the shadaloo agents. He was probably abused really badly(evident by his flashback about Cammy)and was just angry. The whole time I was praying to myself "please dont bev charlie please dont be charlie please dont be charlie." Thank God Udon has more sense than that.

Sano

12-30-2004, 10:31 AM

Chitamaru - They still didn't flat out write she was a clone so you can figure out a way to spin it and say she was a genetically enhanced baby or something. Udon seemed careful not to use the word clone there.

Anyway, I finally got the issue! What happened to the good old days when I used to get the issue first and start these Threads? Like the song says, "Oh the times they are a chaaaangin'!" sano belts out the rest of the song on Harmonica...

I liked seeing Decapre's face, man that was a surprise. I didn't think she was that ugly! I guess she's not Russian in the comic afterall, unless she was born/created in Russia.

Ryu with no shoes was really funny! So, I'm assuming Sakura's appearance in the Summer Special happened right before the Wedding or perhaps after?

I like how thus far the comic has given Mike Bison props, and not making him the guy that goes down in one blow like he seems to be in most Mangas. He beat a guy with one punch and even Balrog(ninja) is impressed with Mike Bison when he doesn't think much of the Dolls! Balrog even seems to get along with Mike Bison better in the comic than he does in the games. Ah, they make a good team IMHO! Just don't make Mike Bison go down in one punch or anything in the next ish. And you'll get extra points from sano if you make Mike Bison beat Sakura's Ass! Relax Sakura fans, I keed, I keed.

Yeah, too much Delta Red there. But if they give Delta Red a break until SF2 then this issue was a great send off. I like Chun-Li and Cammy's uneasy friendship. It was really big of Chun-Li to forgive Cammy. And a good back up, even if it was Cammy overkill.

The Artwork seemed more seemless than the last issue. BUT Chun-Li on page 9 was not 'teh sexy.' I think overall the characters needed to be a bit bigger in that shot, but if I only complain about one page it's cool. I hope the book seems more and more seemless overtime.

Basically, we need more Blanka. Was he created in the lab? Did Cammy capture him as is and maybe they just suped him up? I didn't like Lita knocking him out either or him loosing to Doll Cammy. Come on man, he's Blanka! You should say Blanka was a lot weaker when Cammy took him out or he wasn't mutated to get his electric powers back or something. But what do I know about writing? Nothing. That's what.

I really loved reading about the process involved in Udon creating CFE endings. That was a nice bonus there.

Yeah, a few minor gripes here and there but still a great issue. But I agree. It's time to send Delta Red to Malibu on vacation or something.

So I hear Ryu's gonna be traveling after this arc. Will he go to Metro City? (Pretty pleeeeease...) Will he finally meet Chun-Li? AH! When will my two favorite Video Game Characters meet? GRRRR! OK I will continue to be patient.

Say 12 issues have past. I guess there's no chance for an Annual Issue or we would of heard about it.

martinitolove

12-30-2004, 01:15 PM

thank UDON for a great present: THE CHEAP SHOTS WILL CONCLUDE NEXT MONTH, hopefully forever!!!! :wow:

Time_Stop

12-30-2004, 01:16 PM

Yeah, the Delta Red stuff really, really sucked and took time from the actual Street Fighters, but it´s over now, and the storyline seems to be actually going somewhere, so it´s still better than the first arc.

Sano

12-30-2004, 01:29 PM

thank UDON for a great present: THE CHEAP SHOTS WILL CONCLUDE NEXT MONTH, hopefully forever!!!! :wow:

C'mon man, you didn't laugh when they met Super Champion Edition Turbo X? That's edutainment. :clap:

Artayes

12-30-2004, 04:21 PM

I just got done reading the issue and I have no problems with delta red.I like that team but I agree we need to get to more core characters like blanka,Zangief and Honda.I wonder when Gen and Gouki have their death match and when R.mika shows up,but in time I guess. Next time Honda and 'Gief are shown I hope they get to kick some ass.

I was very worried and nervous about Blanka being under shadowloo's control,but mabe they can explain what the hell is going on in the next issue since it left alot to be explored and explained. perhaps Cammy(killer bee) captured the beast in the jungles and roughed him up until he worked for them or something like that. Hopefully Udon doesn't go the route of having him genetically mutated by shadowloo and they do it right by having him fall from the plane and fell in some toxic waste or something. I believe all this is before he becomes friends with Sakura and Dan and hopefully we get to see some of that soon since now blanka is freed by shadowloo by cammy and Chun-Li.He needs to enter the tournament because he is looking for his mother and maybe Chun-Li and cammy give him the idea for it.I have complete faith in Udon and know they will get it right. The issue overall was great and can't wait until Vega and Balrog crash the party and throw down with Sakura,Ken,ryu and guile.

It looks like we are getting into the meat of the story with the next arc as things will start getting interesting with Bison and gouki coming back soon,and the whole thing with bison and Rose.Ryu will continue his journey and meet Dhalsim and hopefully we get to see Mika,Zangief and Honda somewhere on the way. Karin needs to show up in the main story and have a rematch with sakura.Perhaps when Sakura stops traveling with Ryu and on her way home she gets an unexpected surprise from KARIN!! anyways ,love the issue as always and keep 'em coming and I will keep supporting!!

Serpent

12-30-2004, 09:29 PM

I don't think Blanka is tiered very high is he? Theres a faq somewhere...

I didn't realize #12 was out, I'll have to pick it up this Sunday if the comic book store is open, I doubt it will be open tomorrow, but I'll run by and check anyway. Is there a site or something where I can find a tentative schedule?

Skyler

12-30-2004, 10:13 PM

im pretty disappointed with SF issue 12. blanka being a shadowloo baddie is too out of character and the whole delta red story seems like its going no where. where the hell is the Street Fighter storyline going anyways?? i though SF2 the tournament was suppose to start already, but so far we see alot of character side tracking from the tourney.

Moogleborg

12-30-2004, 11:20 PM

Well, issue 12 pretty much concludes the Cammy part for this arc. This second arc is more focused on Cammy, which is what we have decided from the beginning. The next arc, will be like "The World Warriors", where Ryu is going to travel around meeting all these other fighters.

But don't miss issue 13 & 14, when Balrog and Vega crashes Ken;s engagement party VS Ryu, Ken, Guile, & Sakura! Talk about GROUP FIGHT!

Now THAT is what i'll be waiting for! :clap:

Although i'll wonder where Chun-Li will go after she parts from Cammy and Delta Red, I cannot wait to see how Kens wedding will be like! ^^ I wonder if Sakuras gonna wear something kawaii to Kens wedding though! ^^

As for issue 12, I thought it was pretty good, although I wonder when did Cammy capture Blanka though...and what does happen to Blanka after he got knocked out..

udoneko

12-31-2004, 01:31 AM

For those of you who are worrying about Blanka - no, he is not a Shadaloo goon. He is in Brazil and got captured by Shadaloo. There will be more Blanka origin and stuff in the next arc.

Sano

12-31-2004, 09:08 AM

For those of you who are worrying about Blanka - no, he is not a Shadaloo goon. He is in Brazil and got captured by Shadaloo. There will be more Blanka origin and stuff in the next arc.

That's cool.

As for Blanka's origin, Shadowloo shot down the plane he was in to kill a lot of the passengers they had beefs with. Blanka becoming green is a result from over exposure to chlorophyl(I know I spelled this word wrong...) in the jungle. He learned how to conduct electricity from eels. His name Blanka comes from him misunderstanding the term "hombre Blanco' obviously before his color change. (But they don't speak Spanish in Brazil, they speak portugese so he would of heard 'Branco' but since Ls and Rs are almost interchangable in Japanese when translating stuff, whatever...) The tooth and claws - that just goes with being raised in the jungle in Street Fighter World. No Toxic Waste for Blanka. Well, his origin is a bit silly but that's how it goes.

chimitaru

12-31-2004, 03:21 PM

The clone thing is actually from the games and Capcom. At least, for Cammy it is (Dunno about Decapre, but... dunno anything about Decapre, anyways). So you can blame Capcom for that if you hate it so much.

i know where it's from i even stated it in my post MISSY! the point was it was a terrible idea that should never have been acknowledged in the comics.

chimitaru

12-31-2004, 04:03 PM

Are you Stefan from Cammyfan.com? Geez, get a life...

stefan and i are good friends! and for your information i have a life, YOU need a new avatar!

chunlifan

12-31-2004, 05:00 PM

Are you Stefan from Cammyfan.com? Geez, get a life...
i was thinking the same thing i knew that
hell i would complain that they haven't had a issue with chun-li in her game clothes but i have only read 1,2,8,9,10,and11 :xeye:

TiamatRoar

12-31-2004, 05:04 PM

Birds of a feather flock together...

Artayes

12-31-2004, 05:35 PM

For those of you who are worrying about Blanka - no, he is not a Shadaloo goon. He is in Brazil and got captured by Shadaloo. There will be more Blanka origin and stuff in the next arc.
YEAH,THAT'S COOL.I SHOULD HAVE FIGURED THAT AND OVERREACTED.I KNOW YOU GUYS WOULDN'T SCREW NOTHING UP AS I HAVE ENJOYED EVERY SINGLE ISSUE SO FAR AND FEEL IT AS A BLESSING TO GET THEM EVERY MONTH.

Apathy-Inc

12-31-2004, 06:08 PM

stefan and i are good friends! and for your information i have a life, YOU need a new avatar!

Well lemme ask you this, what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning?

i was thinking the same thing i knew that
hell i would complain that they haven't had a issue with chun-li in her game clothes but i have only read 1,2,8,9,10,and11

She appeared in costume for 3 1/2 pages in issue 7, at her father's grave. She also performed a Kikosho. (I used the issue for reference on her outfit)

The V

12-31-2004, 09:07 PM

I enjoyed this issue. I've always liked Delta Red ever since I read that Cammy manga a long time ago. I liked the teamwork and the individual specialties of the characters and I thought both aspects were represented well this issue. Delta Red characters, IMO, have a lot of potential for future stories and tie ins and it is good to introduce and to develop them. I loved the last two pages of the main story - the art was sharp and has me very curious about the next issue.

The back story was great. I like to see characters out of uniform and just talk casually, to me, it adds life to the characters. I hope that this type of dialogue gets incorporated with the other SF characters as well. Something simple like Ryu asking Ken if he is expecting a boy or a girl or if he's chosen a name for his child would add life and realism to the characters.

On the flip side I understand that Delta Red characters aren't considered true SF characters and some people may feel unsatisfied that a bulk of the story was about them instead of the familar SF cast.

One tiny thing, on the back cover "Adrian" was mistyped as "Adrain". I'm sure the guest artist like to see their name spelled correctly.

King9999

12-31-2004, 09:25 PM

After reading issue 12, I can't wait for the next one, where we finally get to see Balrog in action!

Still waiting for Guile to show up again...

CharlieNash

12-31-2004, 11:15 PM

Seems like an interesting issue. I'd love to see Udon poking fun at the whole Chalrie-Blanka thing. For those who read the issue, how is Decapre bad looking? What's wrong with her face?

DA GAME

01-01-2005, 01:27 PM

Seems like an interesting issue. I'd love to see Udon poking fun at the whole Chalrie-Blanka thing. For those who read the issue, how is Decapre bad looking? What's wrong with her face?
Someone posted this on page#1 but Decapre is supposed to be a clone of Cammy but somehow her face got messed up & scarred

chimitaru

01-01-2005, 03:14 PM

Well lemme ask you this, what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning?

what happens to everything else, you greasy little stain of a man!!

chimitaru

01-01-2005, 03:19 PM

i would like my name changed to killer bee. how do i go about the transformation?

Leo Sal

01-03-2005, 12:45 PM

I only beef with the comics is that based on the covers for #13, you wouldn't now that it was a wedding being crashed. Hey UDON, is there a way to get at least one cover that shows all the major players of a certain issue? Some way to give us a good idea what the issue is about, but still appease Capcom's fetish for high character counts on covers.

Irish Gamer

01-03-2005, 01:13 PM

I liked this issue ... i thought the last issue was kinda slow and borring ... this one had some nice action in it ... Blanka was a nice touch. I like that they didn't make him good or evil ... just controlled. I think everything with blanka played out really nice in showing his beast and human sides. the back story however i was severely disappointed with. I was hoping for something enjoyable ... it seemed like when i used to read history books in high school ... i almost stopped reading out of boredom ... but i didn't because i read cover to cover no matter how bad.

rab_uk

01-03-2005, 02:55 PM

because as with afew of the guys here i am kinda bored of seeing cammy and delta red in action. Plus i have never been a big fan of the dolls idea, jun and juli in sfa3 were totally weak...anyways, i think i might have enjoyed the cammy stuff more if the layout and art was a bit more dynamic, but it just wasnt making me go 'wow' enuff....considerin this was the first appearance of blanka i think it could have been more special, better composition and layout so we really get to check out blankas cool moves....anyways, it was still good, just not fantastic...back up story was kinda cool, and i love cheap shots, its cool extras like that which make the comic that little bit cooler. The big rumble in the next two issues sounds cool, cant wait...plus the madureira cover then rey cover ....sweet.....

zeronian

01-03-2005, 03:55 PM

last few issues felt more like "The Adventures of Delta Red" than Street Fighter

Yusuf

01-03-2005, 04:43 PM

I don't really like delta red... so I didn't really appreciate this issue all that much. But the story was intersting.
Can't wait to see more of the jap fightrs and all...
(i just dislike delta red a little)

jimmy1200

01-04-2005, 09:06 AM

1)yes what happened to guile after he ran into his ex wife

2)when do the street fighter three characters come in, its gonna be sick to see that dude with one arm fighting, along with makoto and sean

3)um thats it, hurry up and get to the third strike arc, screw this other stuff

nortlee

01-04-2005, 10:21 AM

3)um thats it, hurry up and get to the third strike arc, screw this other stuff
No way, Udon should take their time as they have been lately with getting from the Alpha stage to the SF2 tournament stage and then should have a slow run-through SF2 :tdown:

The SF3 arc should be longer with all the character plots and everything but SF2 still needs some precious time to develop the arc nicely.

chunlifan

01-04-2005, 10:09 PM

i just got this issue today ...oryesterday
i saw the cammy clone
looks like cammy+two-face+WOLVERINE and a dash of vega and BAM!!
YOU GUT THE COOLEST CLONE NEXT TO CAMMY AND MEWTWO

ah to see chun-li and cammy fight TOGETHER.....
WAS INTERRESTING :clap:

Gojira

01-05-2005, 02:19 AM

I like Delta Red. Ironic, since I don't like Cammy much. If the story only focused on Cammy while she was in Delta Red and the other members never got a chance to do shit, that would be much worse than letting Lita sneak up on Blanka and bean him like a distracted animal.

As for the rest, nothing to say that hasn't been said. So many dollies at this point, it's hard to complain about any absence of backup characters. Of all the dolls, though... isn't Juli a bit too much in the background? After all she does kind of have a special part in the story, at least according to Alpha 3 Upper.

And I have to give props to the backup story for showing better writing this month. Usually they're just throwaway stories to showcase the guest artist of the month drawing a fight, but this one actually took an interesting idea and used it to explain Cammy forgetting everything but her physical skills. Plus the casual nature of the art and converstation made the whole thing seem more plausible than it could have been. For me it was by far the most interesting backup yet.

eggy

01-05-2005, 02:41 AM

Apathy-Inc

01-05-2005, 03:02 AM

it was good to see some Blanka action, but I was a little sad to learn that Alvin is no long drawing for the SF comic anymore. I really love his art style. The camera angles and scenes, poses. It's all so beautiful. Although I'm glad that Omar Dogan has kept the same style as Alvin, but i still miss the Alvin art T_T

Will Alvin ever be drawing for the SF comic again (refering to the interor and not just covers).

Not to take anything away from Alvin, but...
It was my understanding that Arnold did a majority of the page layouts. So he would actually be responsible for the poses, camera angles, scenes etc.

Y2Dane

01-05-2005, 04:02 AM

Where does it say that Alvin won't be doing any more Street Fighter?

udoneko

01-05-2005, 05:08 AM

Apathy-Inc

01-05-2005, 05:13 AM

Y2Dane: In the SF 12 previews thread.
returns full time I mean. Arn has been doing all the Ryu Sakura scene, while Omar has been doing most of the Chun Li, Cammy and Delta Red scene after Alvin was shifted to DS. With issue 13 & 14 its gonna be a big story with Ryu, Ken, Guile, Sakura VS Vega, Balrog, and a whole bunch of Shadaloo thugs...... I am sure you will like what we are doing!

Actually, Alvin laid out his own pages, and Arnold laid out his own pages too. So props to both of them!

Oops...that makes more sense...don't mind me...it's late...or early..

Alvin is now working on Darkstalkers. But don't hold your breath. He will probably be doing some SF stuff sooner that you think!

Why do you say that? Because DS sales aren't that high?

Omega Onaga

01-05-2005, 06:33 PM

Cool! Ryu, Ken, Guile, Sakura VS Vega and Balrog!

I wonder why is Guile in the fight?

Time_Stop

01-05-2005, 08:13 PM

I guess his wife must be in the wedding and they must be in speaking terms? Or maybe he tracks Shadoloo into the wedding? Or something?

About the Alvin issue, the first time i enjoyed his art in interiors was in Darkstalkers. The "darker" style looks great and seems to fit him better. I like Arnold a lot, so i´m happy he´s the "main man" on SF. I don´t like Omar at all, though.

Apathy-Inc

01-05-2005, 09:03 PM

Eliza is the sister of Julia, Guile's wife. Guile was last seen in issue 7 at a table when Julia arrived. It was assumed he was there to make amends with her, which, with him being at the wedding, he obviously did.

The V

01-06-2005, 03:09 PM

...this one actually took an interesting idea and used it to explain Cammy forgetting everything but her physical skills. Plus the casual nature of the art and converstation made the whole thing seem more plausible than it could have been. For me it was by far the most interesting backup yet.

Those are the same reasons I thought this back up was great. The art is excellent as well as it really captures the casualness of the situation.

I like both Arnold and Alvin's art and I'm glad we'll see both in the issues to come.

eggy

01-06-2005, 04:54 PM

Actually, Alvin laid out his own pages, and Arnold laid out his own pages too. So props to both of them!

Alvin is now working on Darkstalkers. But don't hold your breath. He will probably be doing some SF stuff sooner that you think!

Oooh that makes me quite excited =]. Please keep up the great work, and especially keep up those excellent fight scenes, where they look so close to the game ^_^

I didn't realise that Arnold was doing the main part of comic, and Omar was doing only the end part. I had it mixed up and the other way around in my head =p. Sorry 'x'

I hope Chun Li makes more appearences in her Cheong Sam outfit. Perhaps in the tournament which is coming up? =p

udoneko

01-06-2005, 05:42 PM

I didn't realise that Arnold was doing the main part of comic, and Omar was doing only the end part. I had it mixed up and the other way around in my head =p. Sorry 'x'

No, u have it right. Omar did the majority of issue 12, and Arn did those last 2 pages. Then issue 13, it will be 95% Arn, with one Cammy Chun Li page by Omar.

eggy

01-07-2005, 08:24 PM

I went back and took to admire the art in issue #12 again, and i really like the way Omar does the eyes of Cammy and Chun Li. He draws the faces quite nicely, and expressions are quite good too. =]

I'd would like to say Omar could improve on his fight scenes and get them to a Alvin's style, but this is Omar's style and it is good in it own right ^_^

LBD_Nytetrayn

01-10-2005, 04:41 AM

I rather liked the issue. And frankly, I've become a big fan of Delta Red since Udon got ahold of them. Capcom ought to give them a game of some kind, sort of like MK Mythologies/Special Forces, except... you know. Good.

The fact that Delta Red has a pseudo-cameo of sorts in Mega Man Zero helps, too. ;P

As for Lita knocking out Blanka, a detail that seems to be missing, if I remember the issue correctly, is that she used the blunt end of a metal-looking weapon to do it.

Frankly, my greatest concern is that it feels like they're going through stories almost TOO fast. Bear in mind, once Street Fighter 3 Third Strike is completed... well, that's when there comes a real crossroad, as they'll have to decide where to go from there.

As it is, it feels like Alpha is sort of being meshed into SF2 to some extent(all the Doll stuff, but with Cammy being with Delta Red; Ken's wedding, which came post-SF2 as I recall). Alpha could be a nice, long series all on its own, but for all intents and purposes, it sounds like it's either nearly done with, or being meshed into SF2, which I feel might congest some things.

As far as SF3 characters? I don't want to see a single one unless it's as an early-introduction in their earlier years, in a non-major way. When SF3 time comes around, THEN let me see them.

Another detail I liked in this issue, btw, was the distinction between Dolls-- Noembelu was a nice touch, what with the feather and all.

Interesting that Decapre seems to have Vega's claw-mask thing going on... which might make more sense had they gone with the story from the games where Vega seemed to be in love with her, and took her to Delta Red himself.

Something I hope they keep is Bison having to get a new body for SF2, though. The way things are going,.. has he even taken Rose's body yet? Can't remember, but I'm thinking not...

Additionally, I get the feeling we might get a battle royal at some point with Cammy and Delta Red Vs. Bison's Dolls.

LBD "Nytetrayn"

Sano

01-10-2005, 09:07 AM

The fact that Delta Red has a pseudo-cameo of sorts in Mega Man Zero helps, too. ;P

Really? which Mega Man Zero Game? More details please. :smile:

EDIT: Are you talking about the soldiers wearing red berets?

EDIT #2: Just so you know, Udon didn't create what the Dolls look like. That's how they look in their official art. Noembulu even has a feather in Juni and Juli's intro in SFZ 3.

LBD_Nytetrayn

01-10-2005, 10:38 AM

Really? which Mega Man Zero Game? More details please. :smile:

EDIT: Are you talking about the soldiers wearing red berets?

Yep :) (http://www.planet-megaman.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=31&pos=14)

Though, actually, theirs are turned another way, aren't they?

EDIT #2: Just so you know, Udon didn't create what the Dolls look like. That's how they look in their official art. Noembulu even has a feather in Juni and Juli's intro in SFZ 3.

Ah, k, I'd heard somewhere that they weren't really given much distinction in the games... our copy of SFA3 was stolen, if I'm not mistaken, so I haven't really been able to check.

LBD "Nytetrayn"

Sano

01-10-2005, 10:52 AM

Yep :) (http://www.planet-megaman.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=31&pos=14)

Though, actually, theirs are turned another way, aren't they?

Ah, k, I'd heard somewhere that they weren't really given much distinction in the games... our copy of SFA3 was stolen, if I'm not mistaken, so I haven't really been able to check.

LBD "Nytetrayn"

Delta Red and MM Zero - Ah, OK.

Yeah, the Dolls didn't get that muuch distinction in the game, but there is an official art of all 12 where they are Super Deformed - Big heads little bodies like Pocket Fighter - and all fan arts including Udon's rendition of the Dolls come from that.

Where's TiamatRoar? This is his area of expertise...

BBCampbell

01-10-2005, 11:29 AM

stefan and i are good friends!!

Wow...

I'm sorry...

FOR YOU!!!

chimitaru

01-10-2005, 06:43 PM

HOW DARE YOU! YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SPOKEN TO STEFAN TO KNOW HIS CHARACTER YOU HARLOTTE!!! oh, and is it just me or is that indian dolls weapon heavily ridiculous? why not just add a simple blade to the end instead of axes to apparently go along with her being native...

BBCampbell

01-11-2005, 09:10 AM

Cho

01-11-2005, 11:20 AM

It could all be some clever act to make us think he's obbessed over Cammy when in fact he's secretly rooting for Rose all these years?

Or maybe even Dhalsim.

Think about it.

chunlifan

01-11-2005, 05:06 PM

udoneko

01-11-2005, 05:21 PM

Okay, first off: Harlot (spelled with one "t" and no "e"s) is a term used for women. I am not a chick.

Secondly, I don't need to talk to this guy. I've seen his website. Sure, there are things on it I like, but to be THAT obsessed with Cammy? Ummm, no...

I figure I need to say this is end this discussion at least amd move the topic back on track:

If you do not know the person, it is unfair to say what you said.

I know Stefan, met him a few times, and he is a totally cool guy. His love with Cammy is unparalleled, but that is his hobby and has nothing wrong with it.

I ask again and again to you guys to please respect others, mainly regarding the back up artists but also to other SF fans out there.

SF has a lot of cool characters, and each individual would probably prefer one over another. Its totally a personal choice and I wish not to see disrespect bashing about this here.

We are all here to appreciate what Capcom has made us!

Thanks. :)

Sano

01-11-2005, 10:23 PM

The problem most of us have with Stefan is that he lies and makes stuff up. It was only a few days ago that I was denouncing that Cammy was not going to be in CFAS, something he said based on upcoming figurines! He also says things like nobody likes Ryu in Japan which is ludicrous. Ryu was second place in the Online SF Fan Poll under Chun-Li until he hacked the Poll and gave Cammy the number 2 spot. He hacked an Online Poll for christ's sake. (too bad it was after six months of polling so no Cammy in CFE sucker!) And on top of all that, you can't even contact him and inform him about the things he is dead wrong about because his website says 'I can't take E-Mails, I'm way to busy.' Lots of us are Fanboys including myself, but we don't run around telling lies or at the very least spreading uninformed truths and when we are wrong, we always allow ourselves to be corrected by others.

I don't know Stefan personally, maybe he says hello, please and thank you five times in a row. But the stuff he does in the name of fandom is a diservice to our community and we have to spend time denouncing stuff he says by anyone who listens to anything on his site like Cammy being stronger than Chun-Li, Ryu not being a Capcom All Star, Cammy not being a clone (which is in the comic as well) and so on. This may be the wrong thread to speak ill of him, but I shed no tears for him when people do.

BBCampbell rocks! :rock:

BBCampbell

01-12-2005, 09:12 AM

I've no real hatred for Stefan really.

Ripping on him for his obsessive love for Cammy is just fun. It's like ripping on Bloofy (Bloody Youkai/Xion the Beast/Prince Cronos) for his love of trannies and Bloody Roar.

Just a running joke, that's all. (And mostly on HerV anyway.)

Siegfried

01-14-2005, 08:23 PM

Although Delta Red aren't THAT interesting, their constant clashes with the Dolls make them worth the time spent. I'm just missing Juli... and PLEASE tell me you're not saving her for T.Hawk later, especially when Noembelu has been established as the Latin American doll.

As for this issue, I liked the art throughout, except for the first few pictures of Blanka. He just looks too angular and strange, especially compared to the sleek uniforms of DR and the Dolls.

The brief scenes with Noembelu and Decapre helped give them character, that's nice. They also look REALLY hot... I need to find some spare Juli figures on Ebay and get kit-bashing.

The backup had an interesting story, even if the subject was rather over-used. No comment on the art.

TiamatRoar

01-15-2005, 01:00 AM

All the Dolls and their respective personal weapons (but not the standardized various firearms they use in the comic with the exception of Fevrier's pistol) come from a really cartoony artwork piece that's the only known official artwork of the Dolls. At least... all clues and indications and sources say it's official, although I still wonder where it was originally founded. At any rate, the exception to this is Decapre's claws. Decapre is not depicted as having claws in the artwork, but most Japanese fanartists draw her with claws. Whether they know something canon that I don't or if they're just doing conjecture because she has a mask like Vega, I don't know.

Nothing much official is known about the majority of the specific Dolls, including Decapre, at all. The exceptions being their nationalities (including Decapre being stated to be Russian) and that Aprile has a brother named Maggio who went to see Rose about her and Noembelu was kidnapped from Thunder Hawk's tribe.

10 out of the 12 Dolls show up in Juli and Juni's battle intro when you fight J&J as a boss battle. There, the majority of their accessories and weapons as depicted in that supposedly official artwork aren't shown, but some are like Xiayu's blue thingamabob in her hair and Noembelu's feather headband. The two dolls who don't show up in that intro are Jianyu/Yanyu and Enero.

The 12 Dolls besides Cammy were kidnapped from various countries. Cammy meanwhile is a clone made from a test tube. The 12 dolls were most likely kidnapped recently as of SFA3, given that Aprile's brother went to see Rose only a short time before SFA3 started as well as other things. Oh, and they're all 16.

...that should be enough info for now, I guess.

RodT

01-17-2005, 07:33 PM

I cant wait for that fight at ken's engagement party.

CammyFighter

01-21-2005, 06:25 AM

Wasn't Cammy kidnapped by Bison and genetically altered the same way he was, giving her super strength, and not a clone? The technique they used that was perfected with Cammy would have been the genetic enhancement, not cloning. Decapre might not be a clone either as there's no official story on her, they could be sisters for all we know. The games never said Cammy was a clone, they said Cammy had the same DNA as Bison, that's why everyone thought she was a clone, but a clone of Bison would look like Bison.

There are fans of Cammy out here who aren't Stefan, but who just want to find out she's a real girl, not a clone as some fans have concluded.

I love these comics, but I want to see Cammy win one good fight against another Street Fighter, how about Vega!

And perhaps something a bit off topic, the pages in the back of the comic with fanart and collections and stuff are cool, what about a Street Fighter cosplay page where fans can send in photos of themselves dressed up, like me as Cammy! That'd be cool. In any case, I'm working on a drawing that I'll send in too.

Please don't hate me because I like Cammy.

Cho

01-21-2005, 08:43 AM

I can not hate a guy just for liking a character so no worries. I'm one of those people who still likes Ryu and some people spite blood just at the mention on him.

This whole Bison thing has struck me as really weird personally. Rose is said to be the man's Good side of his soul. Which I didn't really like but nothing I can do about that as its pretty clearly true. Cammy is a... whatever she's meant to be of Bison. Bison at one point sounding like something in him or he was eternal. All very strange. Like.. Capcom was making stuff up as each game came along or something.

But there is quite a few plot points through the games (and apprently things not even mentioned in the games that has happened) that just struck me as bad but... just go with it. Even IF Cammy is a clone/DNA-buddy of Bison, in the end Cammy is Cammy.

In the comic Cammy did 'techically' win the first round against Chun-li before doing a runner in a back story. Plus she's managed to be in a few other back stories now - including beating up Vega already. Poor git. And she's been getting a fair amount of outside action as well. She has better things to do rather then beating up Street Fighters, though I forsee Blanka getting punished in a backup story or flashback pretty soon.

And now you mentioned Cosplayers I forsee a swarm of photo's of grown men dressed as Sakura and Karin...

Sano

01-21-2005, 01:13 PM

Please don't hate me because I like Cammy.

I actually like Cammy too, she's one of the reasons I bought Cannon Spike. Not more than Ryu or Chun-Li, but eh. No one will hate you for liking Cammy. But, if you start running around saying things like Cammy can defeat Dante of Devil May Cry however... :rofl:

Moogleborg

01-21-2005, 04:27 PM

I cant wait for that fight at ken's engagement party.

Same here dude...same here! ^^

TiamatRoar

01-21-2005, 08:08 PM

I imagine that Cammy being a clone comes from... well, Bison saying she's a clone. Of course, there is the possibility that Bison is lying, and for a long time, I considered that and thought that Cammy was like the other Dolls and not cloned. But the more I thought about it, the more it didn't seem right because that would mean that for the most part, Cammy was no different from the other Dolls, which just didn't fit right. It wasn't until I went through the game dialogue more thoroughly did I realize that Juli and Juni are NEVER referred to as clones by anyone whereas the term comes up all the time for Cammy, both from Vega and from Bison. If Cammy really were like all the other Dolls, they wouldn't have made that special distinction. So... barring official statements, that was enough for me to realize all that clone stuff that Bison and Vega are spouting is most likely true and they aren't lying. They wouldn't have any reason to lie, anyways.

chimitaru

01-21-2005, 09:10 PM

that way you talk sigh... reminds me of why i got banned for the other forum
and what happens in 13 i cant wait

i've noticed your new sig you cammy instulting hussy!!no wonder you were banned from "the other forum".

Okay, first off: Harlot (spelled with one "t" and no "e"s) is a term used for women. I am not a chick.

Secondly, I don't need to talk to this guy. I've seen his website. Sure, there are things on it I like, but to be THAT obsessed with Cammy? Ummm, no...

okay, first off. i didn't ask you how "harlot" was spelt. second of all i know it's a term used for women but in your case i made an exception.

like Cammy being stronger than Chun-Li

are you implying chun li is stronger then cammy?

I imagine that Cammy being a clone comes from... well, Bison saying she's a clone. Of course, there is the possibility that Bison is lying, and for a long time, I considered that and thought that Cammy was like the other Dolls and not cloned. But the more I thought about it, the more it didn't seem right because that would mean that for the most part, Cammy was no different from the other Dolls, which just didn't fit right. It wasn't until I went through the game dialogue more thoroughly did I realize that Juli and Juni are NEVER referred to as clones by anyone whereas the term comes up all the time for Cammy, both from Vega and from Bison. If Cammy really were like all the other Dolls, they wouldn't have made that special distinction. So... barring official statements, that was enough for me to realize all that clone stuff that Bison and Vega are spouting is most likely true and they aren't lying. They wouldn't have any reason to lie, anyways.

RIDICULOUS, cammy is only refered to as a clone by BISON, vega refers to her as guniea pig and that is all. that hardly validates bisons claim of her being a clone. bison is not known for being the most truthful further more by clone bison could simply have meant he injected his dna in or her or something similar. it makes no sense why bison would create a clone of himself in the form of a woman.

Sano

01-21-2005, 10:12 PM

are you implying chun li is stronger then cammy?

You know, I actually try to be nice to you and you just spit in my face like we didn't already have this conversation. I've already explained this to you. Reread my post on this page. After Rose's death, Chun-Li is SF's strongest female. If you need a play by play on why Chun-Li is stronger than Cammy, reread my Post (second post) on this page. Although I wasn't being nice on this page, but eh. And you can read SagatRyu's Tier List while your at it. Put together by Saiki (the reason the SF Plot Guide Exists)who knows more about SF than your or I put together.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59310&page=3

TiamatRoar

01-22-2005, 01:45 AM

it makes no sense why bison would create a clone of himself in the form of a woman.

A lot of crap about Bison makes no sense. What's your point?

Sano

01-22-2005, 07:02 AM

bison is not known for being the most truthful

Actually, he is known for being truthful. He wants to take over the world, sure. But everything he's said so far has turned out to be the truth. Someone as powerful as him doesn't need to lie.

He told Chun-Li he killed her father. While it took Chun-Li a while to accept this, guess what? Yes he did.

He had no problem telling T.Hawk he killed his father.

Back in the old Super SF2 days, he told Cammy used to kill for him. The SFZ Games confirmed what he said was true. And then in SF2 Revival which retcons the previous games, he had no problem telling Cammy about her past.

We have yet to catch Vega(Cape) in a red faced lie. Murderer, yes. Drug dealer, sure. Liar, no.

What bothers me about 'roster' or one character fanboys is that they are so busy looking at one character that they miss the whole point about Street Fighter all together. It's ok if your character looses to some one or is weaker than someone. Why? Because SF hammers this point time and time again but roster and one character fanboys always miss it. In SF, winning is not everything. It's weither or not you do your best that counts. Almost everybody looses to somebody. Losses -

Gouki - Let Ryu defeat him in SFZ2. All the evidence points to him loosing to Gen in SFZ3.
Gill - Let Alex defeat him, let Yun and Yang defeat him.
Vega(Cape) - Killed by Gouki
Sagat - Defeated by Ryu a la cheap shot. Defeated by Adon. Let Dan win.
Ryu - Defeated by Gouki. Let Sakura win. Defeated by Ken in SFZ2. Defeated by Sagat when he was brainwashed. Defeated by Oro. And this is SF's main character. If you can't tell that SF is not all about one character being stronger than everybody just by studying what's happened to Ryu there isn't much hope for you.
Ken - Defeated by Vega(Cape). Lost to Ryu in SF3 Third Strike.
Rose - Defeated by Vega(Cape)
Nash - Defeated by Vega(Cape) in SFZ3. Still managed to kill Vega though.
Urien - Let Chun-Li win, or more accurately she impressed him so he let her adapted kid go.
Guile - Defeated by Vega(Cape) in SFZ3.
Chun-Li - Defeated by Vega(Cape) in SFZ2.
Balrog(Ninja) - Let Cammy beat him. Defeated by Rose.
Cammy - Defeated by Vega(Cape).
Hugo - Defeated by Ryu.
Dhalsim - Defeated by Ryu more than once, given Ryu's SF3 win quote where he says something like "I used to beat a man who could stretch from India."
Alex - Defeated by Ryu
12 Dolls - Defeated by Vega(Cape).
Juni and Juli - Defeated by Cammy.
Rolento - Defeated by Guy in Final Fight.
Sodom - Defeated by Guy in Final Fight. Lost a Sumo match to E.Honda.
Sakura - Defeated by Vega(Cape).
Karin - Defeated by Sakura
Sean - Defeated by Ken and Ryu.

And you know what? I'm probably forgetting a lot more losses. It's ok to accept in SF that your character can loose to someone else. Why? Look at the above list. Mostly everyone has lost to someone else. Winning isn't everything. Even Mohammed Ali (not the SRK Poster. The Boxer. The Poster is undefeated :smile:) lost in his life. What did he do? He came back and beat everyone who deffeated him before - making him the greatest champion of all time. No one wins all the time. It's what you do with you losses that decides weither or not you are a true champion. But back to SF, winning isn't everything. It's all about being the best you can be.

Apathy-Inc

01-22-2005, 12:53 PM

*rainbow*
The more you know...

Spider-Man

01-22-2005, 03:36 PM

So if Bison always tells the truth, does that mean that Cammy and he really WERE in love ?

Sano

01-22-2005, 06:02 PM

So if Bison always tells the truth, does that mean that Cammy and he really WERE in love ?

Capcom USA changed what he said. In the Japanese version, he only tells Cammy that he used to kill for her. Nothing about them being lovers.

In SF2 Revival which retcons all previous SF2 endings, the lover thing is gone anyways.

Spider-Man

01-23-2005, 06:11 AM

SF2 Revival, you mean the Gameboy Advance version, SSFII Turbo Revival, or is this another game ?

Sano

01-23-2005, 08:22 AM

SF2 Revival, you mean the Gameboy Advance version, SSFII Turbo Revival, or is this another game ?

The Gameboy Advance Version.

TiamatRoar

01-23-2005, 10:07 AM

Sano

01-23-2005, 10:50 AM

When I think about it, most of SF2 Revival's endings weren't really retcons or storyline updates so much as more accurate translations of what was there in the Japanese versions of SF2 all along (although the clone thing was new).

Hmmm. That would explain why the revival endings were left out of the japanese version of SF Eternal and Hyper SF2 Anniversary Edition at least.

Diek Stiekem

01-23-2005, 12:10 PM

I´ve finally been able to pick up issue 12 (arghhk blast my retailer), the main story is moveing nicely (it´s quite focused on Cammy in this arc, but she actually beginning to grow on me ;p ).
I can´t wait for Balrog & Vega to honeymoon-crash!

Keep up the good work Udon!

chimitaru

01-25-2005, 07:55 PM

You know, I actually try to be nice to you and you just spit in my face like we didn't already have this conversation. I've already explained this to you. Reread my post on this page. After Rose's death, Chun-Li is SF's strongest female. If you need a play by play on why Chun-Li is stronger than Cammy, reread my Post (second post) on this page. Although I wasn't being nice on this page, but eh. And you can read SagatRyu's Tier List while your at it. Put together by Saiki (the reason the SF Plot Guide Exists)who knows more about SF than your or I put together.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59310&page=3

OH PLEASE, SPARE ME. STREETFIGHTER CANNON IS CONSISTENTLY BEING ALTERED AND RETCONED, THOSE STATS ON THE STREETFIGHER CHARACTERS MEAN NOTHING.

Actually, he is known for being truthful. He wants to take over the world, sure. But everything he's said so far has turned out to be the truth. Someone as powerful as him doesn't need to lie.

He told Chun-Li he killed her father. While it took Chun-Li a while to accept this, guess what? Yes he did.

He had no problem telling T.Hawk he killed his father.

Back in the old Super SF2 days, he told Cammy used to kill for him. The SFZ Games confirmed what he said was true. And then in SF2 Revival which retcons the previous games, he had no problem telling Cammy about her past.

We have yet to catch Vega(Cape) in a red faced lie. Murderer, yes. Drug dealer, sure. Liar, no.

What bothers me about 'roster' or one character fanboys is that they are so busy looking at one character that they miss the whole point about Street Fighter all together. It's ok if your character looses to some one or is weaker than someone. Why? Because SF hammers this point time and time again but roster and one character fanboys always miss it. In SF, winning is not everything. It's weither or not you do your best that counts. Almost everybody looses to somebody. Losses -

Gouki - Let Ryu defeat him in SFZ2. All the evidence points to him loosing to Gen in SFZ3.
Gill - Let Alex defeat him, let Yun and Yang defeat him.
Vega(Cape) - Killed by Gouki
Sagat - Defeated by Ryu a la cheap shot. Defeated by Adon. Let Dan win.
Ryu - Defeated by Gouki. Let Sakura win. Defeated by Ken in SFZ2. Defeated by Sagat when he was brainwashed. Defeated by Oro. And this is SF's main character. If you can't tell that SF is not all about one character being stronger than everybody just by studying what's happened to Ryu there isn't much hope for you.
Ken - Defeated by Vega(Cape). Lost to Ryu in SF3 Third Strike.
Rose - Defeated by Vega(Cape)
Nash - Defeated by Vega(Cape) in SFZ3. Still managed to kill Vega though.
Urien - Let Chun-Li win, or more accurately she impressed him so he let her adapted kid go.
Guile - Defeated by Vega(Cape) in SFZ3.
Chun-Li - Defeated by Vega(Cape) in SFZ2.
Balrog(Ninja) - Let Cammy beat him. Defeated by Rose.
Cammy - Defeated by Vega(Cape).
Hugo - Defeated by Ryu.
Dhalsim - Defeated by Ryu more than once, given Ryu's SF3 win quote where he says something like "I used to beat a man who could stretch from India."
Alex - Defeated by Ryu
12 Dolls - Defeated by Vega(Cape).
Juni and Juli - Defeated by Cammy.
Rolento - Defeated by Guy in Final Fight.
Sodom - Defeated by Guy in Final Fight. Lost a Sumo match to E.Honda.
Sakura - Defeated by Vega(Cape).
Karin - Defeated by Sakura
Sean - Defeated by Ken and Ryu.

And you know what? I'm probably forgetting a lot more losses. It's ok to accept in SF that your character can loose to someone else. Why? Look at the above list. Mostly everyone has lost to someone else. Winning isn't everything. Even Mohammed Ali (not the SRK Poster. The Boxer. The Poster is undefeated :smile:) lost in his life. What did he do? He came back and beat everyone who deffeated him before - making him the greatest champion of all time. No one wins all the time. It's what you do with you losses that decides weither or not you are a true champion. But back to SF, winning isn't everything. It's all about being the best you can be.

BLAH BLAH BLAH, bison has also said cammy and him were lovers when clearly it is not the case.

Sano

01-25-2005, 08:30 PM

BLAH BLAH BLAH, bison has also said cammy and him were lovers when clearly it is not the case.

That was a Capcom USA mistranslation for the one millionth time. I've stated my case and my reasoning. You haven't. Blah, Blah, Blah and using all caps answers nothing. State your beliefs like I have in a way all can comprehend and read or pipe down. Funny, when I first mentioned the SF Anniversary Poll to you when Cammy wasn't doing so well, next thing I know Stefan hacks the Poll. Coincidence? I think not.

ORDERLY: Doctor! We're trying to save Chitimaru from being an insane fanboy!
DR: We have to act fast! Give him fifty CCs of common sense, STAT!
ODERLY: Okay, I'm ready! CLEAR! No, didn't work.
DR: Again Damn it! We're not loosing anyone on my watch!
ODERLY: CLEAR!
ODERLY: I'm sorry Doctor, we did all we could.
DR: Throw the sheet over him and toe tag. It's too late for this one. And he's a homophobe Bush Jr. voter too. Good riddens.

Sagatryu

01-25-2005, 09:38 PM

SF Storyline has been altered and retconed since SFA3

SFA3 came out in 1998.

The last SF2 retconed was SSF2T which came out in 1994

chimitaru

01-27-2005, 06:39 PM

That was a Capcom USA mistranslation for the one millionth time. I've stated my case and my reasoning. You haven't. Blah, Blah, Blah and using all caps answers nothing. State your beliefs like I have in a way all can comprehend and read or pipe down. Funny, when I first mentioned the SF Anniversary Poll to you when Cammy wasn't doing so well, next thing I know Stefan hacks the Poll. Coincidence? I think not.

ORDERLY: Doctor! We're trying to save Chitimaru from being an insane fanboy!
DR: We have to act fast! Give him fifty CCs of common sense, STAT!
ODERLY: Okay, I'm ready! CLEAR! No, didn't work.
DR: Again Damn it! We're not loosing anyone on my watch!
ODERLY: CLEAR!
ODERLY: I'm sorry Doctor, we did all we could.
DR: Throw the sheet over him and toe tag. It's too late for this one. And he's a homophobe Bush Jr. voter too. Good riddens.

who are you to say its a mistranslation? for all you know this was just another retcon created by capcom. they didn't seem very intrested in fixing this mistake either. and great way of showing how intelligently you display you opinion by creating a joke about me.
:rolleyes: