Get to the Bison's origins story already!!!

[Daemos]

PLEASE!!! :sad:

I wanna know the truth (hopefully it's dramatic and good, befitting of the greatest fighting boss of all).

[Capcom fan!]

me too. Wel by issue 15 or 14 they should show his origins since udoneko had confirmed this. Just wait a few more months and issue,s for this to happen.

[Diek Stiekem]

Co-sign here, I wanna know the truth about our SF hero!

[Cho]

Isn't the major problem with doing something like that is if Capcom later finally reveal something about his origin, or even all of it, and Udon does something else entirelly - then - well - Udon's will be wrong? Then later people will complain/bitch about it not being anything like the real canon.

Its happened in every single story of Street Fighter there ever was. Heck, Street Fighter V's Nash looked nothing like the Nash we know, but it was hardly surprising considering the TV's design of Nash was done before Alpha came out.

Not that it helps Capcom rewrite everything every other year anyway - or don't really care about telling an overal story in the first place but just made some funky fun games.

Course maybe Capcom have made up there minds about Bison's back story. *shrugs* Either way - more patiece. It was asked Udon took there time with the story instead of rush everything so they're taking there time.

[Diek Stiekem]

Agreed, I want no rush-job.

[Skyler]

udon script isnt cannon to capcom script. so go ahead and make a bison background story.

[Time_Stop]

Jesus, what are you, five?

And this is Udon´s comic, not a Capcom fighting game. It´s not cannon.

[Cho]

Well I know that but normally when any comic/show/movie does something with a character that people feel isn't "Cannon" or "right" they bitch about it something rotten. Even adding an extra character to tell a story revolving around a main character seems to be hieracy. The Alpha movie has been bitched about for adding "Shin" to the story for example.

Personally I don't think it really matters one way or the other if they do explain his background. It just be a shame if they did do some explanation and Capcom later did something else entirely different because Udon have been doing there best to get all of the characters as right as they can.

I won't be upset but others will. I don't want them to hurry up and do it either. I just want them to continue to make there comic, because so far I've enjoyed it.

[Daemos]

The Bison origins story might not be canon but it could become canon if Capcom liked it. For example, Capcom liked the things that were introduced about Bison in the SF2 Animated Movie so they incorporated them into SF canon in the Alpha games.

[Artayes]

This is canon ,that's not canon..BLAH There is little canon to the street fighter world as we know.alot of good story but too many holes.I, for one,feel if capcom approves the stories of the udon comics on every issue and feel it it close or the real deal,then that makes it canon.I love the comics by udon and hopefully we get all the way after the outcomes of third strike.Lets finish this thing as udon is doing a great job at bringing everything so well together.

[Sano]

Well, it will be very interesting to see what Udon does.

Rose - We know that Rose was created when Vega(M.Bison in the US) tossed out the good side of himself and became pure evil. Some think that his evil energy zapped a pregnant lady(Rose's Mom) but I'm more of the opinion that Vega split into two people and that created Rose. While this concept maybe "WTF" outside of Japan, the more Japanese Anime, Manga and live Action Movies you watch, the more common it is. The best example everyone knows about is Piccolo of Dragon Ball Z. Let's see what happens in the comic.

Secondly, we know that Vega trained with two people under one master. They were all three trained in different styles. Most of us (including Saiki, the leading Online SF expert and the reason the Plot Guide exists) believe that the other two students were Urien and Gill, obviously before they had their DNA enhanced. But Capcom has never stated this officially.

And lastly, what does Vega's master look like, the one Vega killed. He's showed up a lot in unnoficial Hong Kong Comics. Most of the time he looks the same no matter whose doing the comic. He looks exactly like Vega but he's wearing a green suit like Vega's and has blonde hair. Sometimes the hair is long, sometimes it's short. Sometimes he has the Shadowloo symbol, sometimes he doesn't. Once in a really ooooold SF2 Hong Kong Comic, he had black hair. Let's see whay he looks like in the US SF Comic.

Of course, this all depends on what exactly Udon intends to reveal about Vega's origin. Very curious as to how their take on it will turn out.

[Daemos]

@Sano

The way I see Rose was created is the same way Bison changes bodies. The original Bison soul was split, the evil side went into the Alpha body while the good side for some reason went into the body of an Italian girl called Rose.

I don't think Gill and Urien were students along with Bison in the same class, though I am curious to know if they knew of each other's existence. Did Shadowlaw know or even deal with Gill's Illuminati?

As for the master, I hope this master isn't associated with Shadowlaw, so that Shadowlaw is purely the creation of Bison. What I'm interested in is the time Bison's origins take place in. There is a possibility that Bison had many bodies before we see him in Alpha, making him really old. I'm also interested in finding out how Bison transcended his humanity with Psycho Power and became this demon that feeds off negative energy.

Most of all I am interested in knowing the relation between Bison's psycho power and Akuma's evil energy. I think they are one and the same, being utilized differently.

[DerangedZombie]

That's an interesting theory about Akuma and Bison's powers being the same thing, afterall their energies are both kinda purplish in colour. But I always thought psycho power was some form of psychokenisis, considering Bison can levitate and control peoples minds and such.

On another note if Bison does indeed posess a form of psychokenisis then it would make sense that he trained with Gill at one point because Gill has his cryo and pyro kenisises. They both have kenisises!!!! Whoa. But yeah, I'm just pullin stuff outta my ass.

[Sano]

Wiether or not Vega is aware of the Illuminati (I've heard Vega doesn't like the Illuminati, but I've yet to see this in an official source) has nothing to do with him training with Gill and Urien. This would be before both of them joined the Illuminati and had their DNA spliced. AKA Gill wouldn't have fire and Ice powers, Urien wouldn't have electric powers and so forth.

And as I said, the concept of one person splitting into two and recombining is very common in Japanese Anime, Manga, and Live Action Movies. Unfortunatly for me to get into it, this will contain lots of spoilers since this usually turns out to be the 'surprise' of the show/movie/manga, so if you don't want any spoilers on The X Anime, The Ring Movies, Gatchaman (AKA G-Force), Dragon Ball, The Dead or Alive live action trilogy, the X Anime, Inu Yasha and Ranma 1/2 please stop reading this post.

MANGA -

Dragon Ball - Piccolo split into two people. One side was good, one side was evil. Later they both combined into one.

Ranma 1/2 - When splashed with cold water Ranma who is a boy becomes a female. Hot water turns him back. This doesn't have much to do with seperating, except for the stoy where his female version steps out of a magical mirror. She later hooks up with Ranma's Male version's mirror reflection, LOL!

Inu Yasha - One name. Noraku. I'm not even discussing this one in detail since I am behind in reading the Manga and watching the Anime. But thus far three people have come out of this human looking demon's body. Two females, one male.

ANIME -

Gatchaman, AKA G-Force, AKA Battle of the Planets. This is what they were to scared to translate into English - Berg Katse, leader of Galactor(Galactor in G-Force) was created when Sosai X(Computor in G-Force) combined two twins in the womb to give him an extremly high I.Q. Sometimes he would morph into male, sometimes he would morph into female, becoming 'Lady Galactor.'

GAMES -

Darkstalkers - The most obvious one is Morrigan and Lilith. Belial seperated a part of Morrigan at birth wich formed Lilith. They later recombined. (Belail also seperated another part from Morrigan, so far the comic has ignored that but I doubt at this point Capcom will ever introduce Morrigan's third part anyways.)

ANIME - As in doesn't happen in the X Manga but only the Anime, as in the X Manga will never finish... (the manga is called X 1999 in the states.)

X Anime - Kamui and Fuma discovered that they are the same exact person due to fate. They recombined into one person.

LIVE ACTION -

Dead or Alive Live Action Movies - These of course have nothing to do with the 3D Dead or Alive Fighting Games. Hero and villian kill each other in one reality. In another reality they are assasins(People argue that they are reborn as assasin angels, um, I can't really get into this if you haven't seen these movies. There's different ways to interpret them.) And in the end in a third reality they gain memories to all of these past realities (you can argue that they are all the same reality) and realize they are both the same, two sides of the same coin. Since they are both cyborgs in this reality, they combine into one big robot. I tried to keep this spoiler free as possible, so please watch this trilogy! It will change your life! Or not...

The Japanese Ring Movies, namely Ring Zero - Sadako (The little girl in the well) split into two people. One girl was good, grew up and went to High School. The other was evil and remained young. Later, both recombined into one person, the little girl became the dominant force and there you have Ring 1 and 2. While the Movies never flat out say who Sadako's father was, the creators hint at it in the movies and straight up say it in interviews. Her father is the sea, or a Japanese spirit of the sea who had relations with Sadako's mother. This is perhaps the closest parallel to Vega since he is energy that inhabits bodies himself.

And this is really just the tip of the iceberg, there are plenty of more examples this is all I can remember. So while some say "ACK! Rose can't have come out of Vega's body because I wanter to marry her!" in Japan, stuff like this is common. The plot guide says in all likelihood Rose's pregnant mother was zapped by some good energy creating Vega, I disagree with that myself but it should remain in the plot guide because one person splitting into two will freak people who are not familiar with this kind of stuff out.

I'm of the opinion that when Rose seperated from Vega it happened it Italy giving her a birthplace and Rose more or less looked like our Rose. If you go with the energy zapping a pregnant lady, it leaves a plot hole. You have to explain Vega tracking down this baby and training it, because Vega officially trained Rose. Same plot hole with the energy zapping an Italian lady.

And as I said, that's my take on it, I'm just curious to how Udon handles it. An origin story can mean plenty of things. They don't even have to touch on Rose if they don't feel like it. My 2 cents.

[Sano]

I also wanted to talk about Vega being a from of energy that has existed throughout many generations according to many of his SFZ3 quotes. This has lead people to believe that he was also in past lives Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, Julius Ceaser among others. Whenever this conversation starts, someone chimes in "He might of been Hitler too." And someone else says "NO! HITLER WAS TEH RACIST!" :rofl:

Speaking of which, in the Newspaper Chun-Li holds up to Guile in the SF2 Animated Movie it elludes that Shadowloo has some connections to Nazi Germany. What is the exact connection it doesn't say, except for transferring research facilities. Not that it makes it official since it's source is an Anime. On the fourht post of this link I wrote down what the article says.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173&page=256&pp=15

Oh yeah, then there are those that believe Sigma of the Megaman X games and Vega are the same person. Me myself, I say HELL NO but this actually sounds more plausable then those who think that Guy is Strider...

Sigma looks a lot like Vega if Vega shaves his head. Sigma also seems to be formless energy, IE destroy his body he'll just sneak into a computer or another robo-body. So if Vega's soul where to somehow escape Hell (Since Gouki killed him, Shungokusatsu sends you to Hell) and enter MM reality, or if MM reality and SF reality are one in the same (highly doubt it) it at least seems plausible. I don't believe it myself nor does this have anything to do with Vega's origin story as I am just rambling...

[TAS]

Capcom has said they never intended to reveal Bison's origins.

The only thing I could come up with after speaking with them (Capcom) was that it was possible that Bison was once part of The Illuminati, but was banished, or left, and his Psycho Power, the ability to have an immortal soul, etc, etc, were part of the secret teachings of the Illuminati (according to Capcom The Illuminati has 66 diffrient teachings/abilities to be leanred, but no one person can know/learn them all)

Id gladly write a story/script for UDON based on the above info.

[bill_rizer]

yea sano ive seen those dead or alive movies they kick ass the 1st one has the best ending to a movie i ever seen that just total surprised me i was laughing for ages i musta watched that last scene 3 times straight afterwards. im not goin spoil it by saying what happens but you pepz should check it.

Sounds like most of you are bison fans i got flamed for suggesting in another thread that bison should be the boss if their was a SF4 surposedley his dead in the REAL SF universre.

any of you finshed CFE with bison i think the endings are done by the guys who do the comics, you see bison going up against Gill with bison thinkin his dead he does that reseruction thats were it ends maybe thats hinting whats going to happen in the comics.

i think the comics are really cool i would like to see these guys do a SNK comic or even a cross over CvS2 perhaps.

[Daemos]

@TAS

Psycho Power is the ability to absorb/feed off negative emotions such as fear and hate then manifest this negative energy into physical form (the purple fire). Bison's ability to switch bodies and have an immortal soul is a totally different ability, his levitation is probably something else too. What Bison does is use his fighting style, psychic abilities in conjunction with his Psycho Power, creating a deadly combination.

What the Psycho Drive does is absorb negative emotions on a massive global scale and transfer them into Bison, it can also convert this negative energy into physical form which takes the form of the laser beam that destroys cities (SFA3).


Although the possibility that there is relations between Bison and the Illuminati isn't farfetched at all. Both organizations (shadowlaw and the Illuminati) conduct genetic research. Both are lead by super-humans and both have this thing going on about the day judgement. Bison mentions to Rose that it is she (she is actually Bison) who will stand victorious on the day of judgement.

@Bill Rizer

Are you sure Gill actually resurrects? Cuz if I recall correctly Bison beats the shit out of Gill and takes over. I didn't see Gill resurrect.

[Sano]

Daemos - He's right, in Vega's CFE ending Gill Ressurects. Vega doesn't take over anything either, he flies off and Gill stays smiling with Kolin.

Bill_rizer - Yeah, the first Dead or Alive Movie's ending blew me away! If you want you can put your SF4 idea over on the 'Mel Masters' Thread like everyone else has here in the Street Fighter Comics forum, we don't flame. Um, for the most part anyways. ^_^

[Daemos]

Dammit! Why won't Gill just die... BISON IS SUPREME!!!! :(

[ucantseeme]

I don't wanna sound dumb but what is CFE and where can I find out more about it?

[bill_rizer]

I don't wanna sound dumb but what is CFE and where can I find out more about it?

its capcoms latest 2d fighter capcom fighting evo or i should say rehash mix of characters from their various fighters, streetfighter2, darkstlakers,aplha,3s,WARZARD if thats its correct name dont ask has dinosaurs etc. you have 4 characters for each series.
And one new character ingrid a rip of, of snks athena.
also i wouldnt worry about missing it out, apart from the ending art the game is pretty :lame: rehash.


Yea Daemos i total agree Gil is a fool, kill his ass and give the man some clothes while your ate it what kind of god doesnt have enuff money or powers to have clothes lol.

Yea sano i put that post up about my ideas for SF4 in mel's thread so if you want to check it out gohead. you might find some stuff interesting, yea you guys have some good ideas and fanfic in here. :tup:

[TAS]

Yea Daemos i total agree Gil is a fool, kill his ass and give the man some clothes while your ate it what kind of god doesnt have enuff money or powers to have clothes lol.

I doubt Gill can ever die given he survived Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu, something that killed Bison and sent his soul to hell, then there's a the fact that according to Capcom he plays apart in The Day of Reckoning, so that has to happen before he can die, but that isnt supposed to happen for quite sometime.

[Sano]

I like Capcom Fighting Evolution myself. The Gameplay is really tight if you set it to Level 8. Not to mention, playing with 2 players is a must. It's not for everybody, more for the hardcore who don't care that much about Sprites and Graphics but good Gameplay. That's why it's making Arcade Touneys in Japan, because of balance/gameplay. It's a budget game, but Capcom never tried to hide that, right on the back of the box it says 'old school.' To each his own I guess, I hope I didn't turn this thread into a CFE debate Thread...

[bill_rizer]

I like Capcom Fighting Evolution myself. The Gameplay is really tight if you set it to Level 8. Not to mention, playing with 2 players is a must. It's not for everybody, more for the hardcore who don't care that much about Sprites and Graphics but good Gameplay. That's why it's making Arcade Touneys in Japan, because of balance/gameplay. It's a budget game, but Capcom never tried to hide that, right on the back of the box it says 'old school.' To each his own I guess, I hope I didn't turn this thread into a CFE debate Thread...

lol you done it now sano, id just thought id clear up my statement, id say this game is ok on its own merits however considering what came before it CvS2 i dont see how its any good and i think thats one of the worst rosters ever, they should have throw in 1 or 2 extra charcters for each team.

I guess pepz dont like it because fans of the respected series say alpha think their characters have been weakend etc so they dont like it.

If people want hardcore fire up SF2T it dont get no better than that.

Yea it was a small team that did that game it kinda felt like it, if only capcom put as much effort in as snk are doing with NGBC their answer to this game and if the gameplay is tight in that, that would be my greateast fighter ever only thing missing would be capcom characters but hey SvC2 you never know....

Yea sano this is not a dis or anything every1 has their own taste me for example i luv snk but i get hated on most of the time, maybe this game will take off who knows. :karate:

[Sano]

I feel that CVS2 and CFE are for different audiences, they are for different types of gamers. CVS2 is for people who want everything. CFE is for people who care more about gameplay/balance. I actually prefer a game with a small cast then a game with a large cast where you can only use a handful of people myself. I like both games for different reasons. SF3 Third Strike has a smaller cast than CFE, no options at all, people love it, but when it came out this game got trashed big time. (It does have great graphics though.) I don't think the overall US opinion of CFE will improve, but I see the more people play it the more they like it. And hey, it came in as #15 in the top 20 Games in Japan in PS2 Sales, and it's making the Tourneys in Japan, but over there, it's more about Gameplay than Sprites, options and so forth.

As far as the Roster goes - Every character there did well on the SF Anniversary Online Poll. Even though it was mostly a Japanese vote, Lots of people outside of Japan voted. That's how Guile got in instead of Nash, because in Japan Nash is waaaay more popular. There's a character for every type of Fighting style you use, so if you get past 'this character is not in there' you can find someone to adjust to your styles. Every single vs. game caters to Japan when it comes to rosters, always has, always will since they are the ones who really make or break these games. Yes, they loooove Anakaris in Japan. Ryu is more popular than Ken. Morrigan's popular, but she's in enough games if you ask me and she's not even the star of DS where Demitri is. And he has Midnight Bliss, Morrigan can take a break.

[TAS]

Well to get back on topic (somewhat) I've decided to write a short little story about Bison's Origins, and I'll post it here when done to see how people like it, and if people like it and/or Erik (Udoneko) likes it then hopefully it could be turned into a back up story.

I was also thinking about writting a series of short stories called "Life After Street Fighter" which would explain what became of the SFers that were only around for SF1, or SFA, or SF2, etc, although that was more or less something for the comic, ie a way to get closure with the characters that wouldnt be part of the SF2 or SF3 arcs.

[Sano]

TAS - Go for it, just no Satsui No Hadou Ryu! I keed, I keed. :smile:

[bill_rizer]

yea the life after thing that could be good.
Were is this Fan Fic Forums you guys are chattin about i cant seem to find.
this warriors gate fanfic your wrote it sano?
yea if you could post the link 2 it, that be cool.

[Sano]

Nah, Warrior's Fate is our little SF Storyline Thread that talks about SF's official Storyline. It was originally in the Fighting Game Forums, got moved to General, got moved to the Fan Fiction Forums section. There was a big crash at SRK where we lost 1,200 posts, so the Thread's restarted and we've got almost 4,000 Posts! The bulk of information in TiamatRoar's SF Plot Guide comes from here!

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173&page=1

[Sano]

But if you want to read stuff I wrote, MWAHAHAHAHA!!! Time to plug my terribly written Fan Fics! :badboy:

This is my ongoing X-Men vs. SF Fan Fic, updated about once a Month.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69537&page=1

And this my Capcom Fighting All Stars Fic. After the game got cancelled, I tossed in a bunch of other great battles - Alex vs. Tyrant, Megaman vs. Wesker, Zero vs. Strider and my favorite, Dante vs. Morrigan! And yeah, I actually FINISHED this Fic, putting me ahead of 90% of Fan Fic writers! Well, just in terms of finishing, LOL!

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37989&page=1

[TAS]

TAS - Go for it, just no Satsui No Hadou Ryu! I keed, I keed.

Lol, the SNH Ryu is basicly the only thing people are on the wall about when it comes to my story, including Capcom, ie when I told them about the story they didnt like the SNH part, but understood why I did it, cause it was really the only way to get alot of classic chars back in the storyline, ie Ryu going SNH agains gives the ability to bring alot of chars back into the storyline, Sagat, Sakura, etc, etc, basicly something has to happen with Ryu to bring alot of chars back in (past the SF3 story)

Anyways the Bison story I have in mind would be pretty short and simple, and ties in what was basicly the only fact Capcom stated about Bison's past, which was that he trained with two other students and killed his own master, applied to some other facts that I was able to come up with from talking with Capcom.

[bill_rizer]

yea sano i can see you put alot effort into those fan fics just had a quick browse in your xmen vs SF it was cool. yea im goin check them out proper when i get the chance.
TAS lookin 4ward to it, hey you talked to capcom? USA or jap? they actually listen to people?

[TAS]

TAS lookin 4ward to it, hey you talked to capcom? USA or jap? they actually listen to people?

It was Capcom of Japan. I got the chance to pitch several games to them, and while I was there I got to talk to various people aside from those I pitched the games to, and got the chance to ask a bunch of SF related questions I had been wondering about for awhile.

[bill_rizer]

TAS thats cool maybe you should of done a die hard and takin the building hostage untill they completed SF4 AND 5 CVS3 hell even a new turbo lol.
I hoped they listened to your ideas man do you have a web site?

[TAS]

completed SF4 AND 5 CVS3 hell even a new turbo lol.


A few things...

- I already knew they were making or had plans to make SF4, so I didnt bother pitching a SF4 concept to them, rather something that happend beyond SF4 (along with some other SF spin off ideas as well) Capcom plans to release SF4 in 2007-2008 to celebrate SF's 20th anniversary.

- Awhile ago Capcom made a statement saying they have no plans to ever do CVS3, MVC3, SFA4, or another version of SF3, so dont expect to ever see those games (unless someone makes them with MUGEN)

I hoped they listened to your ideas man do you have a web site?

No, but but a big chunk of the storyline of one of the SF games I pitched to Capcom is in the fan fic section, under the name Street Fighter Neo.

[bill_rizer]

Capcom plans to release SF4 in 2007-2008 to celebrate SF's 20th anniversary.


Well thats cool but who knows what state gaming will be in by then might be good or bad who knows wit ya ps3 xbox2 nintendo revoultion.
I figured they would make a game like how they made CFE didnt think it would be SF4 dam they had plans to make it did you steal any blue prints lol.
my main question if i was their would have been would the game be 3D or 2D? since im guessing by this time 3D would total rule the market like it dont already i know.
Yea good info TAS.

[Apathy-Inc]

A few things...

- I already knew they were making or had plans to make SF4, so I didnt bother pitching a SF4 concept to them, rather something that happend beyond SF4 (along with some other SF spin off ideas as well) Capcom plans to release SF4 in 2007-2008 to celebrate SF's 20th anniversary.

- Awhile ago Capcom made a statement saying they have no plans to ever do CVS3, MVC3, SFA4, or another version of SF3, so dont expect to ever see those games (unless someone makes them with MUGEN)



No, but but a big chunk of the storyline of one of the SF games I pitched to Capcom is in the fan fic section, under the name Street Fighter Neo.

They didn't mention anything about Sammy Vs Capcom?
It's noticably absent from the list of games they mentioned.

This game needs to happen.

[TAS]

They didn't mention anything about Sammy Vs Capcom?
It's noticably absent from the list of games they mentioned.

This game needs to happen.

Wha???

Capcom and Sammy announced Sammy Vs Capcom at one of the Tokyo Game Shows (TGS) awhile back however nothing has been mentioned about it since, and I didnt ask Capcom much about it, only what characters they were considering putting into the game.

Anyways though, I dont know where Sammy Vs Capcom would of fit into my post you quoted.

[Apathy-Inc]

Capcom and Sammy announced Sammy Vs Capcom at one of the Tokyo Game Shows (TGS) awhile back however nothing has been mentioned about it since, and I didnt ask Capcom much about it, only what characters they were considering putting into the game.

Anyways though, I dont know where Sammy Vs Capcom would of fit into my post you quoted.
You listed off a bunch of "not gonna happen games". Which included games people really wanted to see like MvC3 and CvS3.
Sammy Vs Capcom is a game a lot of people want to see.

Like you said, no one's heard zip about Sammy Vs Capcom and when you didn't list it, I wanted to know what was up with it.

I was wondering if they mentioned anything (they did) and what it was that they said. (ie which characters, style of fighting game, possible release date etc etc.)

[Sano]

The problem with Sammy is that they never reveal anything until a game is very close to coming out unlike Capcom and SNK do.

The announcement for the game was a year ago. Average time for a game like that with that many new sprites takes 2 years. That's how long it took to do SVC Chaos and CVS 1. We'll just have to wait and see.

The only info I've come across (all info for this game is a bit shakey. Unlike Capcom that has leaks everywhere Sammy is good at keeping secrets) is that a Sammy employee told me at the NY Digital Life Show that "A joint project has been put on hold because Sammy wanted the merger with Sega to go smoothly." He wouldn't tell me what the game was or if it was Sammy vs. Capcom.

And this is from Orochimaru who sounds pretty legit and seems to know something about the game. (He may be BSing, but I get the feeling he's not) It will not include characters like Dante, Megaman, Samanosuke or anything like that. It will only have characters from 2D and 3D Fighters. So far we know that it will have characters from Guilty Gear, Rumblefish, Kenju(Because according to Orochimaru people wanted to see these characters from Sammy's New Cel Shaded Game in 2D), Street Fighter, Darkstalkers, and Rival Schools. Star Gladiator and Warzard has been tossed around too, but SF, RS, and DS I've heard more than once.

At the show that announced the game, DS was already announced. And Guilty Gear's a no brainer. So these two games will prolly be the headliners like SF and KOF are the headliners for all the Capcom/SNK Games.

Still no official word, and no cancellation announced either.

[Apathy-Inc]

I had heard that they were going to use the Guilty Gear X fighting engine for it. (this was on a GGX board, so I dunno how true it is)

What I'm really wondering, is if they're going to update the freakin' sprites or not because let's face it, the DS characters are gonna look like crap compared to the GGX ones.
Doubtful, considering they didn't update much with CvSNK2.

Keeping it semi on topic for these boards: Since DS/SF/RS might be headlining, maybe they can get Udon to do some artwork again? If not endings, maybe the Vs screen or character select screen portraits.
It'd be real interesting to see an Arnold Sol-Badguy or Dizzy.

[Sano]

Actually, Darkstlakers getting new Sprites is one of the only things we know is going to happen for certain. During the Press conference that announced the Game, Fuanmizu said something like "A lot of people would like to see the Vampire(Darkstalker) Characters in High Res." So unless this means filtering the old sprites in High Res which I doubt because the game would of came out a hell of a lot quicker if they did this chances are they are getting new sprites. Hence the long wait.

Udon artwork would be great in Sammy vs. Capcom, I agree with that.

Some guy who wrote Guilty Gear Storyline Thread (I posted the Link over on the Play Magazine Ken Siu-Chong Interview Thread) mentions that the GG Storyline Guide excludes Guilty Gear Isuka and Sammy vs. Capcom, talking about Sam/Cap as if it is already out or coming soon so he won't have to retcon anything he says. Just being cautious or does he know something? Hmmm. The secrecy surrounding this game tighter than the Sopranos Series Finale Episode Storyline.

[TAS]

You listed off a bunch of "not gonna happen games". Which included games people really wanted to see like MvC3 and CvS3.
Sammy Vs Capcom is a game a lot of people want to see.

Like you said, no one's heard zip about Sammy Vs Capcom and when you didn't list it, I wanted to know what was up with it.

I was wondering if they mentioned anything (they did) and what it was that they said. (ie which characters, style of fighting game, possible release date etc etc.)

The statement I listed was made sometime before Sammy Vs Capcom was ever made, like 2001 or something like that.

I had heard that they were going to use the Guilty Gear X fighting engine for it. (this was on a GGX board, so I dunno how true it is)

What I'm really wondering, is if they're going to update the freakin' sprites or not because let's face it, the DS characters are gonna look like crap compared to the GGX ones.
Doubtful, considering they didn't update much with CvSNK2.

It was stated the game would run/be made on the Atomiswave, so its doubtful there will be any recycling, and unlike Capcom Vs SNK games this game is being made by both Sammy and Capcom employees.

The only thing that concerns me is Im pretty sure the Atomiswave tech will be really outdated by the time this game comes out, and the only 2D game out there that uses the Atomiswave (I believe) is Rumble Fish made by Dimps (developers of the DBZ Budokai series) which dosnt really look "that" impressive.

[Apathy-Inc]

Well, Guilty Gear Isuka has been repeatedly stated to be it's own game, and Capcom has always stated that none of the versus games are canon, so it makes sense to automatically exclude SvC from the main story.

I'm really hoping they let Daisuke Ishiwatari (the man who does all the artwork/music/story for GG)do the soundtrack. I'm almost positive he had a heavy hand in the sprites too, based off the GG Drafting Artbook.
Maybe they'll create a new character just for this game like they did with A.B.A. and Leo in Isuka.
Hell, they might be redoing all the Capcom character sprites. Makes sense, seeing as how no word in over a year and they're including Rival Schools, which is a 3D game, if I'm not mistaken.

Knowing that they're creating new sprites means they're more than likely going to use the GGX fighting system on the game too. (Dusts, Roman Cancels etc etc) Which is great, because I really can't see the GGX characters playing without it. Being a team game means no instant kills, but oh well.
Hopefully it won't be like Isuka and have everyone fighting at once, because that gets confusing, and the turn around button took a lot of getting used to.

Now the question becomes: Who's going to be in the game?
It's a pretty safe bet they'll have Sol and Ky in the game.
Definately Morrigan and Demitri, probably Felicia too.

[Sano]

You can forget about Sam/Cap being like GG Isuka. Not gonna happen. Isuka is not popular in Japan, they are still playing GG XX # Reload and that's the game that's making tourneys and not Isuka over there.

[Apathy-Inc]

I wasn't too worried about it, I figure it'll be more like CvSNK or MvC. I'm sure they'll add something to it to make it different somehow.
Isuka's a good game and all, but it's not exactly fit for tourney play.
Plus, #Reload is very balanced and there really isn't a huge gap in tiers.

I'm also chomping at the bit for GGX3. I have a feeling they're going to do a complete overhaul of the sprites and roster. Hopefully adding in A.B.A., as I found her style of play much more suited for 1v1 than a team setting. Probably dropping Millia, Jam, and a couple others, based on their storylines.

But yeah, SvC + Udon art would be pretty b!tchin' and a good way to help push the comics.

[bill_rizer]

not to make fun of any1 but theirs too much assumption going on here.

1. You cant be sure this game is still comming out.

2. Team game like cvs2 or MvC2 it might be just single player.

3. Redone sprites who really knows.

only thing i think would defentley happen is the use of GGr and SF characters since those are the main ips for both companies.

and yea i agree i havent seen the atomiwave doing anything special so redone sprites for gg3 (lol if that happens) wouldnt be that much different.

[Apathy-Inc]

1. You can't be sure it isn't, odds are in my favor.

2. All the crossovers have been team, if it ain't broke...

3. Did you read sano's earlier posts? He confirmed statements made at the initial announcement of the game.

The other thing being that Darkstalker characters and Rival Schools characters are going to be included?

Yeah, a lot of the other stuff is assumption, so what?
My time machine's in the shop, is yours working?

Nothing pisses me off more than some ignorant jerkass trying to rain on my parade while contributing nothing worthwhile to the conversation.

[bill_rizer]

Nothing pisses me off more than some ignorant jerkass trying to rain on my parade while contributing nothing worthwhile to the conversation.


i dont even flame people on here (the net) its just sad and nerdy chatin shit to sumone you dont know or will neva meet say what u want dude i dont really give a shit.

[Apathy-Inc]

i dont even flame people on here (the net) its just sad and nerdy chatin shit to sumone you dont know or will neva meet say what u want dude i dont really give a shit.

Quick lesson:
ap·a·thy (ap-th-ee)
n.

Lack of interest, concern, or emotion; indifference.

You don't care what I have to say, yet you comment on it. It's nerdy to "chat sh!t to strangers", and here you are...

Congratulations, you're 2 for 2.
Please, show me how much you don't care and stop responding.
Let us nerds have our fun in peace.

[TAS]

3. Redone sprites who really knows.

Its being made on the Atomiswave, and since neither they GG games or none of Capcom's game's run on the Atomiswave its safe to assume the sprites will be redrawn.

[bill_rizer]

Yea TAS i wasnt sure what GG was runnin on isnt GG1 on atomiswave?
Its some sort of upgrade version? im not sure cos i havent actually seen it runing so i dont know if they changed anything for it for atomiswave.
But i guess that must be the case of them redoing it then wow better sprites than GGr that would be cool.

Apathy-inc im sorry i insulted you and your ideas that was not my intention :cool: dont worry im not gay or anything im just sayin sorry i dont like beef.
i would like to see this game myself. id rather sammy never told us nothing, if they were going to take so dam long making it.

You guys hear about rumblefish2? i mean wered that come from all of sudden not that its done yet but a site is up i saw it from one of threads in here sumwere.
wasnt the 1st game posed to be lame?neva played but thats all i hear about it.

if only their was a site for sammy vs capcom like that, do you think they will use sega characters? since they merged now.

I dont know but if its a team game like kof i would luv to see a streets of rage team axel/blaze/adam hell through that badass ninja in their too cant remember his name shiva i think.