Is Joe from SF1 and Cody the same person?

[martinitolove]

Is Joe from SF1 and Cody the same person? i read about it here:
http://kattuggla.oru.se/dmd01/dm0103/test/showgame2.asp?cGame=Street+Fighter&sortering=ASC

if this is true, then Udon should combine them too. and this should happen, when ryu will visit the Metro City or in a Final Fight 4-issue special.

by the way Joe is THE MOST :lame: AND UNITERESTING character :bgrin:

:hitit: :cool:

[polarity]

It only says that they based Cody's moves on Joe's. They don't look too alike, so by that logic, you could say that Remy and Guile are the same person too.

[TAS]

God no, I mean the fact that they have diffrient looks, names, and bios should be a dead give away.

Anyway you can say that Joe was remade into Cody, but thats it.

[Glitcher]

As was Mike remade into Balrog, eh? I wonder how many other parallels we can draw between old characters and new ones. Maybe Lee disguised himself as Q. ^_~

[Higher-Jin]

Did anyone see zangief's profile?

it say's he's gay!

.... that just sucks.

I won't believe the giefster is gay without proof, spd 4 life :P

edit 2: WTF?!!!!!! eagle's not gay.... you're gay! (not that there's anything wrong with that)

[Adam Warlock]

without proof, spd 4 life :P

he grabs another grown ass man and does a spinning 69 on him. How much more proof do you need?

[mohammeda1i]

he grabs another grown ass man and does a spinning 69 on him. How much more proof do you need?

:lol: :clap: That is possibly the only 'proof' we have so far of 'Gief actually being gay (though he doesn't like 'pretty girls' - ugly ones might be his thing :confused:).
I don't think there is any confirmation anywhere, just speculation built on the (japanese) stereotype that he looks gay. i.e. It's more a theory than a fact, though there is good reason to assume it. Same with Eagle if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, and there are no quotes 'explicitly outing' either of them. At most, a few innuendos.

Mohammed Ali

[TAS]

Did anyone see zangief's profile?

it say's he's gay!

.... that just sucks.

I won't believe the giefster is gay without proof, spd 4 life :P

edit 2: WTF?!!!!!! eagle's not gay.... you're gay! (not that there's anything wrong with that)

Please explain to me how this POSSIBLY fits with this thread, you just went WAY off topic.

Zangief is gay, its canon, get use to it.

Eagle is also gay, or do you think that Freddie Mercury was just the most hedrosexual guy out there?

Poison was also once a man incase you didnt know.

That is possibly the only 'proof' we have so far of 'Gief actually being gay (though he doesn't like 'pretty girls' - ugly ones might be his thing ).
I don't think there is any confirmation anywhere, just speculation built on the (japanese) stereotype that he looks gay. i.e. It's more a theory than a fact, though there is good reason to assume it. Same with Eagle if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, and there are no quotes 'explicitly outing' either of them. At most, a few innuendos.

No, when I asked Capcom about why do the things they did with Zangief, Eagle, and Poison, they said it was to just add an intresting dynamic to their character (although Poison's reason is a bit more complex then that)

And EVERY single time, someone who finds out this news, about these chars, EVERY time they feel the need to make a such a big deal about it, ie "AW NO WAY MAN NOBODY IN SF CAN BE GAY AGHH!!" and for the most part its cause they like the character(s) and then feel threatened that they themselves could possibly be gay or whatever, so they just deny the truth about the characters.

Zangief and Eagle being gay dosnt affect me being able to enjoy playing with them, mostly cause I dont like either one of them, although Poison through me for a loop, like I always thought Poison was attractive and "she" still is however I defenitly view her in a diffrient light now.l

[mohammeda1i]

No, when I asked Capcom about why do the things they did with Zangief, Eagle, and Poison, they said it was to just add an intresting dynamic to their character (although Poison's reason is a bit more complex then that)

As far as official documents go, there is NO confirmation that either Zangief or Eagle are gay. This is a FACT. If you bothered to read my post however, you would notice that I mentioned it is INDICATED that they are likely to be gay. I said all this to clear up any problems. Those that do not like the idea of them being gay characters can sleep easy knowing it is not a stated fact. Those that can accept it can look into the obvious hints towards their sexuality.

for the most part its cause they like the character(s) and then feel threatened that they themselves could possibly be gay or whatever, so they just deny the truth about the characters.

I see the angle you are using, but to generalise so much is just stupid. Many people may not accept a character being gay for other reasons like it not seeming to fit their perception of the character. Others may want more proof. I strongly think Eagle is gay though I am not convinced with Zangief. It doesn't mean I fancy Zangief at all. I think with most people it has little to do with them secretly being attracted to these characters.

Mohammed Ali

[TAS]

I see the angle you are using, but to generalise so much is just stupid. Many people may not accept a character being gay for other reasons like it not seeming to fit their perception of the character. Others may want more proof. I strongly think Eagle is gay though I am not convinced with Zangief. It doesn't mean I fancy Zangief at all. I think with most people it has little to do with them secretly being attracted to these characters.

I might be able to see where someone wouldnt think Zangief would be gay but Eagle is without a doubt gay, I mean for one he's Freddy Mercury with blonde hair, but its his quotes in CvS2 that help seal the deal, like with Morrigan, he says "Your charms will not work on a man like me" when succubus are supposed to be able to seduce ANY (straight) man. Then there's the one where he admires how good looking Rock Howard is, and lets not forget Eagle spinning around with Zangief, which didnt make Zangief look very straight, and only brought more proof to the fact that he was gay.

[mohammeda1i]

I might be able to see where someone wouldnt think Zangief would be gay but Eagle is without a doubt gay

I totally agree :tup: though if people don't want to believe it, I wouldn't tell them that it is canon.

and lets not forget Eagle spinning around with Zangief, which didnt make Zangief look very straight, and only brought more proof to the fact that he was gay.

:lol: I haven't seen this but it sounds hilerious. I take it this is a fight intro in CVS2. Will have to check that next time I go home. Mind you, it makes sence considering they sort of share this move in comon (if it's the move I think it is).

Mohammed Ali

[TAS]

I haven't seen this but it sounds hilerious. I take it this is a fight intro in CVS2. Will have to check that next time I go home. Mind you, it makes sence considering they sort of share this move in comon (if it's the move I think it is).

I dont know if its in the American version of the game, cause I know Capcom of America removed all Eagle's "gay" quotes, although the intro animation is something that could of slipped past them.

Man, if were working on a game for Capcom of Japan, I'd defenitly translate it to English while its still in development, and tell CoA if they wanted to publish the game they could NOT make ANY changes to it, and if they couldnt agree to that, Id just give it to another US publisher that could agree to those terms, although I think that would invovle a breach of contract or something like that or else CoJ would most likely do that, ie I dont think anyone but CoA can publish CoJ's games, and I do know that CoA decides what CoJ games get published in the US.

[Golden Dragon]

Seriously, someone plz show me some official written proof that Zangief is gay. It's not stated in any "All About" books or mooks. That's my only real beef with the Plot Guide. Saiki's cool and all, but his word isn't enough.

[martinitolove]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zangief

'nuff said

€-)

[Higher-Jin]

Please explain to me how this POSSIBLY fits with this thread, you just went WAY off topic.

Zangief is gay, its canon, get use to it.

Eagle is also gay, or do you think that Freddie Mercury was just the most hedrosexual guy out there?

Poison was also once a man incase you didnt know.



No, when I asked Capcom about why do the things they did with Zangief, Eagle, and Poison, they said it was to just add an intresting dynamic to their character (although Poison's reason is a bit more complex then that)

And EVERY single time, someone who finds out this news, about these chars, EVERY time they feel the need to make a such a big deal about it, ie "AW NO WAY MAN NOBODY IN SF CAN BE GAY AGHH!!" and for the most part its cause they like the character(s) and then feel threatened that they themselves could possibly be gay or whatever, so they just deny the truth about the characters.

Zangief and Eagle being gay dosnt affect me being able to enjoy playing with them, mostly cause I dont like either one of them, although Poison through me for a loop, like I always thought Poison was attractive and "she" still is however I defenitly view her in a diffrient light now.l


i was just kidding,

yea i knew eagle was gay for sure after i saw the profile saying he was officially gay.

However i never heard of gief being gay, that's kinda a cliche' a gay wrestler.....

meh.

Do you have the reason why poison had a sex change since you said it was deeper than that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zangief

'nuff said

€-)


:P

edit: yea you shouldn't jump to conclusions about people, i didnt' know (and i still don't) know who freddy mecury was. I thought the guy on the site was stating that without confirmation =/. After i saw it said in random note: Stated to be officially gay i knew he was. I'm actually not homophobic at all i just think it would be kinda crappy for a character like zangief (a grappler) to be declared gay and originally i thought he was saying eagle was gay because of how he dressed/acted not because it was cannon fact.

=/ it happens, alot of ppl say benimaru is gay which isn't true... at least we think......

edit: Don't worry that much about it, i guess you may have not known i was playing around. >.< still jumping to conclusions won't really help.

[Apathy-Inc]

i didnt' know (and i still don't) know who freddy mecury was.

Lead singer of Queen? The band?
We are the Champions?
Damn kids and your Backstreet Boys...

[unsmart]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zangief

'nuff said

€-)
Yeah, I'm never gonna play CFJ, so level with me if you are making stuff up or not. Too random to be true! ...or is it? :amazed:

he grabs another grown ass man and does a spinning 69 on him. How much more proof do you need?
He does that to the laydays too. Maybe he's Bi. Then again, he wrestles bears. Maybe he's "anything-that-moves". :tup:

[Higher-Jin]

Lead singer of Queen? The band?
We are the Champions?
Damn kids and your Backstreet Boys...

The funny thing is i listened to queen,

princes of the universe , we are the champions, bohemian rhapsody.

and i knew the lead singer of queens was gay.

I didn't know his name though,

LOL wow i'm playing as Queen!

Eagle rocks!

[Apathy-Inc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zangief

'nuff said

€-)

Hey, you remember that time Ryu fought Talibain and Bison beat Gill but then Gill came back to life, or how about that time Wolverine squared off with Akuma?
Oh wait, it only happened in a VS type game which have never EVER been canon.

So much for your "proof". :rolleyes:

[ParryAll]

Poison was also once a man incase you didnt know.

I don't care what anyone says, Poison was never a guy. Capcom America changed the sprite to a guy because Nintendo didn't want girls getting beat up in a videogame. The bullshit just evolved from there.

Until I see it in an Official Capcom artbook or all about book, in English, or until I learn Japanese and read it myself, I will never believe it.

I have never, ever seen proof of she bein a he. Sorry aint buyin it.

That goes for Eagles and Zangiefs homosexuality. Show me the evidence (and no, just because someones unofficial website says so aka http://orochi.com/?page=sffaq , don't mean shit)

[TiamatRoar]

COMPLETELY DISREGARDING whether or not Zangief is gay as well as completely disregarding certain unofficial plot guides, the truth is that Zangief's CFJ ending directly contradicts his official dislike of beautiful young women (a dislike which IS now also officially listed in English thanks to the English version of Street Fighter Eternal). Therefore, we can conclude that either Zangief's CFJ ending shouldn't count for anything resembling canon or officialness (not to knock Udon, but in the end, they designed the ending and they aren't Capcom) or those "almost naked women" with him in that ending are actually men.



As for the actual question of Zangief being gay, that's going to have to be looked into since the source that Saiki gave for it apparently doesn't say it after all. *shakes head*

Poison being a man is well-documented in All About Capcom. You don't even have to know how to read Japanese to be able to identify the symbol for 'male' in 'her' bio.

[TAS]

I don't care what anyone says, Poison was never a guy. Capcom America changed the sprite to a guy because Nintendo didn't want girls getting beat up in a videogame. The bullshit just evolved from there.

Until I see it in an Official Capcom artbook or all about book, in English, or until I learn Japanese and read it myself, I will never believe it.

I have never, ever seen proof of she bein a he. Sorry aint buyin it.


Alright then please explain this to me.

http://img51.exs.cx/img51/4392/poisonmale8gx.jpg

"Hmmm official proof that Poison was once a man, now what am I gonna say. Maybe Capcom is wrong, yeah thats it."

The thing is...

Poison WAS once a man, SHE is NOW a WOMAN.

[martinitolove]

JUST Capcom vs Somebody (Marvel, SNK, Sammy) Games are not cannon. there was no official word about CFJ beeing not cannon. need a proof to beleve.

and Zangief is NOT gay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/martinitolove/Zangief.jpg

[Apathy-Inc]

So Bison fought Gill? Ryu fought with Talbain?
You just said yourself there was no "official word" that CFE is not canon (which it clearly isn't, but that's beside the point) and then you go ahead and try to use Zangief's ending from CFE to prove that he isn't gay...

Am I the only one that sees the horrible flaws in your logic?

He is most likely gay, get over it.

[TAS]

JUST Capcom vs Somebody (Marvel, SNK, Sammy) Games are not cannon. there was no official word about CFJ beeing not cannon. need a proof to beleve.

WTF are you talking about???

"All Dream Match games are non-canon"[quote]

Now what do you have to say about that?

[quote]and Zangief is NOT gay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ove/Zangief.jpg

Alright then explain to me why Zangief officialy hates beatiful/attractive/good looking women, but yet is seen with a bunch of attractive women there. Explain that to me please.

(this should be good)

[TiamatRoar]

Poison WAS once a man, SHE is NOW a WOMAN.



Poison's probably still a man. Some trusted person at another board went to work on some game for Capcom and that was one of the first questions he asked, and the wording of her being a 'her' in All About Capcom is done in a very mocking sarcastic way towards Capcom of America.

[nortlee]

JUST Capcom vs Somebody (Marvel, SNK, Sammy) Games are not cannon. there was no official word about CFJ beeing not cannon. need a proof to beleve.

and Zangief is NOT gay:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/martinitolove/Zangief.jpg
Capcom Fighting Evolution is a SPIN-OFF.

Spin-offs are not Canon. That is also why the Vs. plot should never be taken into consideration when referring to the true Street Fighter plot.

[martinitolove]

That (hates beatiful/attractive/good looking women) was during the comunist USSR times. now as Russia is capitalist and doing well again Znagief gone strait too and became a heterosexual like most of us!

or let's ask Udon, why they made that kind of ending!

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2083898#post2083898

[TAS]

Poison's probably still a man. Some trusted person at another board went to work on some game for Capcom and that was one of the first questions he asked, and the wording of her being a 'her' in All About Capcom is done in a very mocking sarcastic way towards Capcom of America.

Yeah, I always figured Poison's sexuality was a big screw you to CoA, and if Poison did get a sex change I guess Poison would of had a Female symbol in the bio.

Yet another thing I forgot to ask about while talking with CoJ (I remember asking about SF's relation to RS, Makoto and Ryu, events of SF prior to SF1, and a whole bunch of other stuff, mostly unanswered stuff I could think of off the top of my head)

[TiamatRoar]

That (hates beatiful/attractive/good looking women) was during the comunist USSR times. now as Russia is capitalist and doing well again Znagief gone strait too and became a heterosexual like most of us!



Wow, Zangief being a Communist mysogenist would be almost as bizarre/cool (depending on how you look at it) as him being gay. Although... I doubt it's the case since he was nice enough to Rainbow Mika (who contrary to popular belief isn't supposed to be that young). Mysogenism that only applies to beautiful young women even for USSR Russia seems kinda... odd.

[TiamatRoar]

(I remember asking about SF's relation to RS)



I forget. What was their answer to that?

[crazydiamond]

No Joe and Cody are not the same person.

Although I did think that Joe was a member of Mad Gear at one stage. (Wishful thinking)

There is a guy in Sodom's Alpha one ending that looks like Joe.

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/sfasodo.htm
Although, that's more likely Bred. Hey! Maybe Bred is Joe!

Also Sodom fights in a stage that looks very similar to Joe's train yard stage in Street Fighter.

I also used to have a theory that Axl in Final Fight was Alex from Street Fighter III. Think about it. Okay, stop thinking about it now.

[mohammeda1i]

I also used to have a theory that Axl in Final Fight was Alex from Street Fighter III. Think about it. Okay, stop thinking about it now.

Maybe Alex likes Gun n Roses then...
I think Alex looks more like Dean from FF3 than Axl though...

Mohammed Ali

[TAS]

I forget. What was their answer to that?

It basicly boiled down to that it did/could take place in the SF Universe however the creator didnt want anyone thinking that RS could only be successful because of its relation to SF, so Sakura was removed, and then it was decided that Project Justice canonly (?) took place in 2000, thus RS takes place in 1999 one year before Thrid Strike.

So it was basicly the creator of the series didnt want SF in RS, but didnt mind if RS took place in the SF canon. The creator also wasnt opposed to the idea of a RSvsSF game, however he wanted to do Project Justice 2 before that ever happend, neither of which happend obviously.

(Its funny how some of the most obvious crossover stuff never happend, ie Street Fighter Vs Darkstalkers, Street Fighter vs Rival Schools, Samurai Showdown vs Last Blade, etc, rather then these crazy All Stars games that Capcom and SNK are doing now, ie its not like they're starting nice and small and working to something big like X-Men Vs Street Fighter to Marvel Vs Capcom 2)

[LucasBishop]

You're not the only one with theories, cd. I swear the two guys by Chun Li's bedside in her Alpha ending look like Eagle and Cracker Jack.

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/sfachun.htm

[mohammeda1i]

You're not the only one with theories, cd. I swear the two guys by Chun Li's bedside in her Alpha ending look like Eagle and Cracker Jack.

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/sfachun.htm

:lol: That is soooo true. Except Eagles hair is slightly different... There have been a lot of people saying Eagle was in MI5. Maybe he switched to Interpol :lol:

Mohammed Ali

[martinitolove]

great, so:
- Joe is/was a Mad Gear member
- Eagle is/was working in the MI6-section in Honkong (MI5 is like FBI; MI6 is like CIA, one is for inner and the other is for outer service)
- Geki (and Retsu) had his appearance in comic and i hope will appear again in a Vega/Ibuki/Decapre story
- so what about Lee???

I hope you are reading this Udon; for inspiration!


PS: that guy in Chun Li's SFA ending couldn't be C.Jack, cause he is a member of Shadaloo (exept he could be a spy in the MI6...)

[Golden Dragon]

great, so:
- Joe is/was a Mad Gear member
- Eagle is/was working in the MI6-section in Honkong (MI5 is like FBI; MI6 is like CIA, one is for inner and the other is for outer service)
No, Joe's a 24 year old homeless guy who lives out of box cars and hopes to one day become a champion fighter/martial artist.
Eagle's a gay English bouncer/bodyguard.
Those are the facts. Plus, they're just funnier.

[LucasBishop]

great, so:
PS: that guy in Chun Li's SFA ending couldn't be C.Jack, cause he is a member of Shadaloo (exept he could be a spy in the MI6...)

Yea, I know it can't be Cracker Jack, b/c even beyond the Shadaloo thing, CJ is Arika's character, not Capcom's.

As for Eagle, I wish I could make it that the bouncer thing is cover for him being M16 or Interpol, and that he was tracking Cammy to get infor on Shadaloo. That'd be a great storyline. :pleased:

[martinitolove]

perhaps we will see Lee in a future story about the origins of Yun and Yang. and i am interested in what the connection to Gen is...

[nortlee]

Between Yun, Yang and Gen? Gen trained them, we got the background to that in #10 I believe. Lee I think was the children's father so I think they were all close, maybe Gen even trained Lee.

[TAS]

Lee most likely died after SF1 anyways (mob ties) and good ridance, he sucked, specialy since Gen was around, ie Lee was basicly just a crappy Gen.

[dogface]

Zangief and Eagle being gay dosnt affect me being able to enjoy playing with them,

Damn right!

-V