Estarburst is listening... we hope.

[Nagata Lock II]

OK after a talk with Marc (Coveguy) we're going to be moving forward with a lot of changes to the GTASF. When things have been ironed out, they'll all be announced. In the meantime, this thread has been created for everyone to give their input into what changes and/or fixes they feel needs to be made to any location under the Estarburst banner (ORBIT, York Cove, Mohawk Cove, Waterloo Cove). The suggestions will be noted and changes effected as resources become available.

As an aside, anyone that was at York U knows exactly how much Marc is willing to sacrifice to make this scene work and keep players happy. Do him the respect of giving him honest opinions and good suggestions so he can do his job to the best of his ability.

[X-Sapphire]

-#R at ORBIT (right now!)

-#R at wherever T6 is gonna be

-Cove at UofT (if it requires a sacrifice, close down Mohawk cove and open up at UofT...where the hell is Mohawk anywho??)
I'll assume UofT people are richer, thus more business + lots of fobs and fobs love games.

-a cabinet of SFII at orbit (the VERY VERY FIRST street fighter fighting game)

K.Thnx.

[X-Pac786]

get rid of KOTF at York U ..... we just throw our garbage on that machine and never pick it up.

Oh and of course put something better instead ....

[YellowS4]

Marc did more than what we'd usually get from a normal tournament. He made shit happen!

#r! and sfex3. Fix the sticks on 300in1 cab.

[Nagata Lock II]

Now that I have some time...

GGXX #R is a top priority. The players have been asking for this game for months (maybe even a year?) and nothing has come of it. It's creating a situation where the GG players don't even want to play it anymore because everyone else is on #R and we're still stuck with GGXX.

The ORBIT cabinets need their speakers fixed. All of them.

King Of Fighters needs to be updated at both York and ORBIT. 2003? Neo Wave?

It'd be nice to get the sticks and buttons fixed on the 300 in 1 cabinet at ORBIT.

While I'm here...

I tried to do this after T5 but the disaster that was Woodbine in September made me realize that I couldn't walk away as tournament organizer because no one could do it properly. Well with Marc taking the reigns at ORBIT and York U and the fact that its come to light that a multitude of players think that I only direct tournaments just to rig the brackets for myself, I'm stepping down as tournament organizer. I will no longer organize or help organize any tournament outside of T6 and will not volunteer my services to direct any tournament from this point forward.

I'm still going to play in tournaments because I enjoy CvS2 and am starting to play Reload but if my directing is causing conflicts then I'm not going to have a part of it. Thanks to those of you who supported me, I do appreciate it.

On a related note, I'm absolving myself from the Skybox tournament I was putting together on the same day as Eric's ORBIT tournament.

[HeavenlyStriker]

-Cove at UofT (if it requires a sacrifice, close down Mohawk cove and open up at UofT...where the hell is Mohawk anywho??)

Uh uh, no way.

[YellowS4]

2003 is fucken garbage. Neo Wave has issues as well. I say they wait and get Rumble Fish 2. Let me say it again, SfEX3. Get a tv and ps2.

Turn all that horse shit into monitors. Gt4 networked

[X-Sapphire]

Turn all that horse shit into monitors.

This takes priority above anything. ANYTHING!

[Jeeebus!]

*Snip*

Well that sucks Justin. Even though I haven't been an active member of the scene for a while, you basically kept it alive and kicking for a while.
If you don't organize tournaments, everyone else is gonna get lazy(Except maybe Eric), and it'll just die back down to previous levels.
The efforts of the guys at the Cove are appreciated, but it will just be efforts restricted TO the cove.
Meh. Hopefully this will be like your previous retirement.

[X-Sapphire]

If you don't organize tournaments, everyone else is gonna get lazy(Except maybe Eric), and it'll just die back down to previous levels.

It's more like, everyone is already lazy except Eric and I, since currently, we're the only ones(outside of staff) with an initiative to organize tournies, now that Justin and KofN(IIRC he organized T4) have both quit. This is from my time in the scene btw, so I don't really know who were the very first who started organizing.

Anyways, Justin I hope you reconsider. If people are simply complaining about brackets, which I had already heard by a few people, then you should be more serious and just take another approach when creating the brackets. Just ask for input so people don't complain. I myself have Stephen do the brackets with me for GGXX always so that there's no complaining since the brackets haven't been created under the bias of one individual.

Anyway let's keep this thread related to it's topic, so at least our arcades can improve and attract more players.

[YellowS4]

rumble fsh 2 make it happen

[Nagata Lock II]

Anyways, Justin I hope you reconsider. If people are simply complaining about brackets, which I had already heard by a few people, then you should be more serious and just take another approach when creating the brackets. Just ask for input so people don't complain.
This isn't about bias, this is about winning. See the people complaining to Eric are the ones with this self inflated sense that they're better than they are and they should be ranked higher than they are. You don't even have to name any names, just use your brain for five seconds and figure it out.

The ranks are based from Woodbine going forward to the York U tournament and have always reflected that. For all the people that bitch and moan that I "rig brackets" just take a look at my rankings since September. Outside of York U, I had ranked between 3rd and 5th in every tournament I entered (Woodbine, METRO, NLD3, unbeaten at Christmas ORBIT before time problems which was a guaranteed fifth, both Skybox Sunday tournies). But in the meantime, people who get a middle of the pack ranking because they get middle of the pack results at the end of the day are the same ones who bitch and moan that they should have been seeded and that "scrubs like Justin" rig it for themselves. Well when you win your matches, you get the rank.

Gerjay worked his way up through ranks over the course of this season and he was ranked 3rd at York U. Bryan worked his way through CvS2 from near the bottom and he was ranked 7th at York U and was set to be ranked 6th at METRO. Jaime from Hamilton busted ass this season and went from bottom of the ranks facing Roger in the first round to just below seeding. His placing at York U would have moved him up again at his next tourney as he came 7th. I take all of this stuff into account.

It's not just some random "well he's good and OOOOHHHH he can combo WOW!" that gets people placed. You rank if you win and you get the hard way when you don't. When I wasn't directing I went through one obstacle after another in Eric's tournaments. You have to love "Oh, he's better than you, you'll never beat him sorry" before you've even played your first match. Too bad I busted up everyone I dealt with in the meantime (except Ken who I couldn't beat, props to him). In any case, the whiners will never get it. They'll only whine because that's what they always do.

[King Of Naboo]

-sound for the 3S cab

-playstation ports on all the cabs

-Fri night small tourneys

-Diet coke in the fridge

[KrassHole]

I say let the best players make the fucking brackets.

That means. . .

Jay or other top tier tosf players make 3s brackets

Roger or Js makes CvS2 brackets

Bry / GerJay make MvC2 brackets

and although it doesn't effect me Sapphire or that Rock2k1 guy make GGXX brackets.

No one can say shit cause these players can beat anybody in these respected games, eliminating any possibility for biased bracket making.



Oh ya and for sauga people, if anyone actually WANTS to have a tournament, I'm sure gerjay or myself could do it. Personally sauga sucks for tournaments cause the machines dont work so who really cares.

[DarkDragon]

well justin, theres 1 down. U don't need top players to make the brackets man. Shawn made brackets for almost all the tournys at va/vf and they always ran smoothly. All u need is a few ppl who have been in the comunity long enough and knows the players. Being a top ranked player means shit. If we go by your nonsense, mwc, ecc9, nec AND evo are all done wrong cuz the organizers are average players.

[RXS]

They are listening.. just it'll take them 1346346575475 years to respond.. mind you they are improving. trust me everyone at starburst is trying their hardest to make shit good for the gamers.. i know i work for them.... Mohawk cove bugged Simon for CVS2 and now he's gonna steal Waterloo's CVS2 machine and give it to us :> aslong as we get good revenue.. whcih we definitly will. and closing down Mohawk Cove?? that would be stupid.. then Hamilton players would have nowhere to go.. and Toronto already has like atleast 3 big arcades. In any case, Simon will probably get around to the requests soon enough if you bug him enough.

RXS

[King Of Naboo]

brackets have nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Let's try not to take this thread off topic.

[KrassHole]

well justin, theres 1 down. U don't need top players to make the brackets man. Shawn made brackets for almost all the tournys at va/vf and they always ran smoothly. All u need is a few ppl who have been in the comunity long enough and knows the players. Being a top ranked player means shit. If we go by your nonsense, mwc, ecc9, nec AND evo are all done wrong cuz the organizers are average players.


Nonsense? I dont think its "Nonsense". I just offered an idea so no one can complains. Let JS make the brackets then, hes been around forever and plays every game. And if you think about my solution, the best players obviously have been in the community a long time so you're point is kind of moot anyways.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

So if JWong came to one of our tourneys, should he make the brackets?

I just hope T6 isn't at orbit again. I liked YorkU, there was a ton of room and with some cabinet switches it won't be half as congested as Orbit.

I was thinking American MvC2 machines would be less of a hassle, because bringing in more jap marvel machines would be useless unless all the chars are already locked. I've alreayd seen two marvel machines put in at mohwak and yorku, and it's a pain unlocking all the chars unless people play it a lot. And the scene isn't that great as it is.

[DarkDragon]

Nonsense? I dont think its "Nonsense". I just offered an idea so no one can complains. Let JS make the brackets then, hes been around forever and plays every game. And if you think about my solution, the best players obviously have been in the community a long time so you're point is kind of moot anyways.
ya lets just ignore the fact the major us tourny directors are average at best and have been around since forever. Also, in the past when Js was running mvc2/cvs2 tournies, there were still ppl who bitched over and over saying he rigged the brackets. Hell i still remember u bitching about a mvc2 bracket i made in the past too. My point is theres gonna be a bunch of whiners and bitches no matter who makes the brackets.

Teddy: I think ryan and will tried to get orbit to bring in some american cabs for one of the T tournies and i heard it went to shit. I'm not too sure but i think orbit agreed but never produced. And i agree with having T6 at york too cuz its close to the highway, theres a good food section (popeyes bitches) and parking is free after 10:30/11 oh yeah, we can play some lan games in my lab COD BITCHES MOP THE FLOOOOOOR GORD&ANDY!!!

[YellowS4]

I rigged the yorku 3s brackets by naming the top 4 seeds. Thats fucken awesome.

[King Of Naboo]

People that complain about brackets and don't have anything to do with running tournaments should shut the fuck up. If you don't help organize, promote or run then the people in charge don't care. If you don't like it, make your own tournament and run it how you like.

[X-Sapphire]

And i agree with having T6 at york too cuz its close to the highway, theres a good food section (popeyes bitches) and parking is free after 10:30/11 oh yeah, we can play some lan games in my lab COD BITCHES MOP THE FLOOOOOOR GORD&ANDY!!!

Then it's off to my place for the mad halo 2. Jay's not invited though :karate:

I've never been to York, but as long as #R is available wherever T6 will be at, shit will be cool with me.

SFEX3 plz.

[KrassHole]

ya lets just ignore the fact the major us tourny directors are average at best and have been around since forever. Also, in the past when Js was running mvc2/cvs2 tournies, there were still ppl who bitched over and over saying he rigged the brackets. Hell i still remember u bitching about a mvc2 bracket i made in the past too. My point is theres gonna be a bunch of whiners and bitches no matter who makes the brackets.



At least I'm offering a suggestion instead of finding minor flaws in what other people say. And it musta been a long ass time ago if I bitched about marvel brackets seeing as how I dont even enter marvel anymore. I only remember bitching about curt's CvS2 brackets and I'll admit to that straight up. You don't like my idea I couldn't care less, suggest something better.

[Poke Guy]

Well with Marc taking the reigns at ORBIT and York U and the fact that its come to light that a multitude of players think that I only direct tournaments just to rig the brackets for myself, I'm stepping down as tournament organizer. I will no longer organize or help organize any tournament outside of T6 and will not volunteer my services to direct any tournament from this point forward

I'm sad to hear that. If it makes you feel any better, know that I really appreciate your efforts in keeping the SF community running. Even if you did rig the brackets, I won't really care. Not that I actually think you rigged anything.

I don't know how you people make brackets, but if I was to make a bracket, I would make it truely random using dice throws or coin flips, or develop a computer program to do it, or make players draw slips with numbers on them. There is almost an endless number of ways to make brackets 100% unarguably unbiased. There's no need to set up a bracket based on skill level or whatever. Because whoever fights JS or Roger first is already at a disadvantage. So someone is always going to be slightly unhappy no matter how you set it up. With the coin/dice or slips method, you can make the bracket publicly where every player can see and no one will be able to argue that it's rigged.Fluking/luck is a sizable element of 2d fighting games anyway, so these methods are not out-of-line. I recommend the drawing slips method. Or just re-invent a new tourney system, like the system in Boxing or whatever.

Another thing I suggest you do is raise the entry fee for late comers. Too many players just don't show up on time. Let say the entry fee is $5. Make it $8 for late comers and be very strict about it. The SF community need to be more punctual, arriving on time and early rather than 1-2 fucking hours AFTER the actual start time. Of course, a lot of you are lazy bums and won't agree to this. But it's a good idea if you want people to be on time.

I also won't mind if the tournament directors receive an amount of money for their services based on a percentage of the pot money. If enough players agree to this, then directors should be elected from people who are willing to do it. The election system would give an incentive for the directors to do a decent job, because otherwise no one would want him to run another tourney ever again. And obviously because there's pay, players would be more willing to be directors. Paying directors a percentage of the pot also builds an incentive to attract more players, which is good for the SF community. But of course, attracting more players to join the tourney scene is going to be hard. From what I can tell, the # of SF players has been decreasing. If we don't attract a new generation of players and if Capcom keeps pumping out shitty fighting games like CFJ, the SF community is going to die, probably in a few years.

I always advocate efficiency over equality. Based on my limited tournament experiences, I think the tourney system is a bit inefficient and it's not particularly anyone's fault.

I have more to write but I need to do something else...

Sorry I have no sensible suggestions for Estarburst. I would be happy to see an arcade at UTM. Actually that might not be such a bad idea.

[VruS]

If any possiblity, please bring back war:final assault to any damn arcade. It was a kick ass fps arcade game that kept your stats within the machine.It was at fairview when I was like 14. Bring it backkk.

Replace svc cabs with a 3s!

Oh and when there is a tournament and UN on the same night, don't make us pay extra. and if you are, advertise that.

[Angry Black]

yo justin just c.u.r.t. the haters and keep on doin your thing

on the side marc(cove guy) the button setup on kof2k1 is fucked its setup as AB on top CD on the bottom instead of 1#AC ontop and BD on the bottom or 2#BCD and A under B or 3#ABC and D under C i think orbit's kof cab is setup like #3

just to let you know

p.s.
what ever happened to drunken b

[Nagata Lock II]

Sifting through all the posts, just a few things to respond to:

- The top players for all intents and purposes do already make the brackets for each game. However, having the top players as directors doesn't solve anything. In fact all it does is insult the rest of the players who have essentially been reduced to being the people that JS & Roger (as a CvS2 example) are going to beat. If that's everyone's attitude then why enter a tournametn in the first place? You get unbiased players who are actually responsible (as in make brackets, and stick to directing the entire thing) to run tournaments and it should take care of itself.

- Pertaining to the different ideas for tournament formats. I couldn't agree with any of them. If you make every tournament random, you essentially kill the will to win. Even if you enter a tournament know you can't win it all, you still want to place high. But if you randomize it and the top players kill each other off while random low tiered players manage to break through by proxi of having no one better to face then it's pointless. If you win, you should be seeded as such.

- What I suggest is that we institute the local APEX system discussed yesterday over MSN. If we can get a solid system to work from there is no disputing the ranks. If you don't show for tournaments you drop in rank regardless of skill. If you enter every tournament and you get smacked out into 7th or 9th place every tourney it's going to know. That and only that will eliminate this idea behind bias and finally put an end to people's inflated egos when it comes to where they think they should place rather than where they should actually place.

A couple more things for ORBIT:

The reason the Soul Calibur players have essentially boycott ORBIT is because it's been on a system A board (the current one is system D) since it first came in. It's loaded with bugs and infinites that their community don't appreciate. I think it's in ORBIT's best interest to upgrade that machine and bring a new influx of players in.

Get rid of SNK vs Capcom: Choas. It may well be the most hated fighting game to get mass distribution in years. Just about any older SF game (Alpha 3, hell even Alpha 2) would be a better choice than SvC.

Never run an Unlimited Night on the same night as a tournament. It is outright insulting to tell players who have been patrons of the arcade all day and plugging in their money to leave and then come back in and pay more money.

As an aside, I wanted to thank all of you (and there were many, I couldn't believe my away queue when I got home from work) who took the time to message me asking not to step down as organizer. While I appreciate all of your sentiments, the inherent reasons why I no longer want to do it are still resident and I doubt are going to change. I will still stay on to organize T6 with Marc & Simon to ensure it runs as best as possible but I'll have no further part in organizing or directing any other tournaments.

[X-Sapphire]

Sorry I have no sensible suggestions for Estarburst. I would be happy to see an arcade at UTM. Actually that might not be such a bad idea.

It's UT at St.George in downtown I'm referring to. It's the main one and I'm sure there are more players at St.George campus including me. But yeah, of course it's an excellent idea. :party:

It seems like the main problem eStarburst arcades have is keeping their games updated and regular maintenance of the cabinets.

About tournament setups. After thinking a bit and setting aside the bias I've heard about Justin, everything is perfect the way it is. As KofN mentioned, if you're bragging about rigged brackets, either make your own tournies and run it the way you want, or come up with a fair way to make brackets with support on your idea, or deal with it.

For all you know, there's only a few people keeping the scene together here.

[Angry Black]

so whats goin on wit the feb 19 tourny

[dogberry]

Get rid of the POS that is SVC and bring in ST or Hyper SF2. A3 wouldn't be a bad addition either.

Then York U would be the best setting for T6.

[X-Pac786]

Get rid of the POS that is SVC and bring in ST or Hyper SF2. A3 wouldn't be a bad addition either.

Then York U would be the best setting for T6.



no, people actually play svc there. KoTF is a waste of electricity.

[coveguy]

on the side marc(cove guy) the button setup on kof2k1 is fucked its setup as AB on top CD on the bottom instead of 1#AC ontop and BD on the bottom or 2#BCD and A under B or 3#ABC and D under C i think orbit's kof cab is setup like #3

ok, just because i'm really slow in the head when it comes to snk games; can someone leave a sort of diagram of how the buttons should be at orbit so that i can fix that asap.

that would make things a lot easier for me.

thanks in advance

[DarkDragon]

At least I'm offering a suggestion instead of finding minor flaws in what other people say. And it musta been a long ass time ago if I bitched about marvel brackets seeing as how I dont even enter marvel anymore. I only remember bitching about curt's CvS2 brackets and I'll admit to that straight up. You don't like my idea I couldn't care less, suggest something better.
Does it really matter if it was a long ass time ago? I was ranked #2 in mvc2 at that time, I made the brackets and u bitched. Now ur making a suggestion u really don't believe in. Not so minor after all huh?
I offer suggestions AND I actually help out for every tourny I join. Sorry if I don't complain about the sticks or whine about facing a top player in a game I know I won't win.

(altho I did complain to js about my position in 3s at york cuz I only face chuns in 3s tournys....and he OBVIOUSLY rigged it in order to beat the HK ppl :confused: )

[King Of Naboo]

You guys should keep in mind that DarkDragon has been making brackets and running tourneys longer then alot of you have been in the scene. He ran brackets prior to T3.

[KrassHole]

Does it really matter if it was a long ass time ago? I was ranked #2 in mvc2 at that time, I made the brackets and u bitched. Now ur making a suggestion u really don't believe in. Not so minor after all huh?
I offer suggestions AND I actually help out for every tourny I join. Sorry if I don't complain about the sticks or whine about facing a top player in a game I know I won't win.



Hey I used to help out and run tournies all the time, until other people thought they could do it better so I stopped giving a fuck about running tournaments so don't try and talk to me about being helpful to the scene. Don't tell me what I believe in or what I dont. I believe in my suggestion, I have no problem with the best players making the brackets.

[X-Pac786]

just make random brackets ... Its like the Royal Rumble hahahaha no one ever cries when they lose the rumble!

[KrassHole]

just make random brackets ... Its like the Royal Rumble hahahaha no one ever cries when they lose the rumble!


Curt Angle didnt seem too happy. . .

[X-Pac786]

but seriously there should be no problem with random drawings right?

[DarkDragon]

Hey I used to help out and run tournies all the time, until other people thought they could do it better so I stopped giving a fuck about running tournaments so don't try and talk to me about being helpful to the scene. Don't tell me what I believe in or what I dont. I believe in my suggestion, I have no problem with the best players making the brackets.

See thats the thing, u never give a fuck. I don't see why u bother posting or replying at all cuz u never give a fuck about anything. And youre right, I shouldn't have told u what u believe in cuz ur just gonna whine whether a top player makes the brackets or not.

"I used to help out and run tournies all the time, until other people thought they could do it better so I stopped giving a fuck about running tournaments "
Don't u think thats how nagata feels right now? Your suggestion was rude and thoughtless, you and the people who constantly complain about nagata's bracket rigging should just come out and explain how theyre rigged seeing how he hasn't move past 4th place in a t.o. tourny. Really, just reveal yourselves and get an actal convo moving, none of this "refusal to be identified" shit.

[KrassHole]

See thats the thing, u never give a fuck. I don't see why u bother posting or replying at all cuz u never give a fuck about anything. And youre right, I shouldn't have told u what u believe in cuz ur just gonna whine whether a top player makes the brackets or not.

"I used to help out and run tournies all the time, until other people thought they could do it better so I stopped giving a fuck about running tournaments "
Don't u think thats how nagata feels right now? Your suggestion was rude and thoughtless, you and the people who constantly complain about nagata's bracket rigging should just come out and explain how theyre rigged seeing how he hasn't move past 4th place in a t.o. tourny. Really, just reveal yourselves and get an actal convo moving, none of this "refusal to be identified" shit.


I've accused curt in the past, but not recently so don't blame me. Only tournament I been to since t5 was that orbit one where time ran out and everyone was pissed. And I still don't give a fuck.

[coveguy]

sorry guys,
i know i'm not a mod, nor have i been involved in the tournament scene for long at all... but if it's ok with you guys, could we stick on the topic of suggestions that you guys may have for orbit/york/waterloo/mowhawk.

i don't mean to offend either of you, so please don't take this the wrong way. jsut wanna know how to make my customers happier
:D

[DarkDragon]

sorry guys,
i know i'm not a mod, nor have i been involved in the tournament scene for long at all... but if it's ok with you guys, could we stick on the topic of suggestions that you guys may have for orbit/york/waterloo/mowhawk.

i don't mean to offend either of you, so please don't take this the wrong way. jsut wanna know how to make my customers happier
:D
KK sorry i'll stop. No point in keeping at it

[Nagata Lock II]

sorry guys,
i know i'm not a mod, nor have i been involved in the tournament scene for long at all... but if it's ok with you guys, could we stick on the topic of suggestions that you guys may have for orbit/york/waterloo/mowhawk.

i don't mean to offend either of you, so please don't take this the wrong way. jsut wanna know how to make my customers happier
:D
Marc; believe it or not this has a lot to do with what you'll be getting yourself into when you took on the role of organizer and director for GTASF tournaments under the Estarburst banner. There has alwasy been and in all likelihood will continue to be problems between the players. The only difference is that you'll have to deal with it primarily rather than me in the past. I think it's important you read through this set of conversations and see what you'll really have to deal with. Nothing runs 100% smooth when it comes to this tourney scene.

I can't recall if I mentioned this but can we get those speakers fixed at ORBIT for the tournament games by Saturday? Also is there a chance of getting the 300 in 1 fixed so I can't smoke Jay in Alpha 3 and Gem Fighter without him having an excuse?

[YellowS4]

he hasn't move past 4th place in a t.o. tourny.
haha sorry Justin, I had to laugh :P

anyways concerning uhh, kof. The layout is :
abc
dxx

some want it svc style and others prefered having 'a' and 'd' switch. kof still sucks either way.

I'm still for replacing the horse shit w/monitors for consoles

edit; fuck you! you're gonna die in a3. and iirc, the sticks are fine now since noone fixes shit at orbit other than Marc haha

[DarkDragon]

oh yea like jay said that would sick if you were able to keep that huge horse racing moniter and connect it to random sfer games for tournies. Family fun amusement did something like this, but they used 40+inch moniters and they had a bunch for cvs2/mvc2/3s cabs.

[X-Sapphire]

oh yea like jay said that would sick if you were able to keep that huge horse racing moniter and connect it to random sfer games for tournies. Family fun amusement did something like this, but they used 40+inch moniters and they had a bunch for cvs2/mvc2/3s cabs.

oh shit! Dust loop on the big screen, big damage, big cheap shit!

[coveguy]

yeah, i kinda had the feeling that not everything will run smooth -_-

anyways, back to games.

i'll have a look at the speakers tomorrow. i was kinda busy today with other stuff, and plus the 3s was busy when i got there. tomorrow i'll be going in earlier, when it's not busy and i'll see what i can do

in terms of 300in1... it died today. i'm hoping it'll be back up asap.
i took a look at the joysticks over the weekend. i didn't replace them, because i think one of the techs got there before me, but should be fine.. if problems persist, as usual, let me know.

*note* i'm not sure if i mentioned this before, but also, one of the best ways to ensure speedy reponses to broken games is to let my staff know. simply ask them to leave a note for marc (that's me) :p , to fix whatever you believe needs fixing.

[King Of Naboo]

yeah, i kinda had the feeling that not everything will run smooth -_-

anyways, back to games.

i'll have a look at the speakers tomorrow. i was kinda busy today with other stuff, and plus the 3s was busy when i got there. tomorrow i'll be going in earlier, when it's not busy and i'll see what i can do

in terms of 300in1... it died today. i'm hoping it'll be back up asap.
i took a look at the joysticks over the weekend. i didn't replace them, because i think one of the techs got there before me, but should be fine.. if problems persist, as usual, let me know.

*note* i'm not sure if i mentioned this before, but also, one of the best ways to ensure speedy reponses to broken games is to let my staff know. simply ask them to leave a note for marc (that's me) :p , to fix whatever you believe needs fixing.

Thanks for the hard work in helping the scene. Maybe you should start running some small fri night tourneys to gain some tournament running experience?

[Nagata Lock II]

i'll have a look at the speakers tomorrow. i was kinda busy today with other stuff, and plus the 3s was busy when i got there. tomorrow i'll be going in earlier, when it's not busy and i'll see what i can do

in terms of 300in1... it died today. i'm hoping it'll be back up asap. I took a look at the joysticks over the weekend. i didn't replace them, because i think one of the techs got there before me, but should be fine.. if problems persist, as usual, let me know.
Remember that GGXX, 3S (one side), CvS2 and MvC2 (one side) all have speaker issues. It'd be greatly appreciated if you could look into it. In the three years I've been frequenting ORBIT I don't recall ever hearing those machines work properly.

If the sticks work fine on the 300 in 1 that'd be great. I only used it once a few weeks ago and the sticks were brutal to say the least.

Marc; can I assume you'll be there on Saturday? I want to have a sit down about KO Club and it's relation to T6 later this year. I have some ideas that I want to run by you and Simon (if possible).

[coveguy]

yep
you can pretty much count on me being there every sat from open till 6/7pm
but as for being open for talk, depends. i'm working cash shift, so i'll be interupted every once in a while for change and whatnot, but yes, ideas can be exchanged at that time for sure

[Nagata Lock II]

Marc; considering the popularity of Tekken 5 and it's relation to the card system, have you considered bringing in Virtua Fighter 4: Final Tuned? There's only like 3 in all of Canada (with the card reader mind you).

[X-Sapphire]

Remember that GGXX, 3S (one side), CvS2 and MvC2 (one side) all have speaker issues.

I don't think GGXX has 'issues'. Someone had said that they had just never kept it on because of the bass (GGXX has rock'n'roll music so it gets really loud). So Marc just needs to turn it on and lower the bass.

And yeah, small friday night tournies! :tup:

[coveguy]

well, with the popular demand of small friday night tourneys (now to be called sfnt) :p i'll try my best to start asap... i'll jsut wait until this overflux of tourneys passes by.

[Nagata Lock II]

Marc; does Estarburst have a timetable when they will get new games or is it up to management (either line/regional/executive)?

[X-Sapphire]

Marc; does Estarburst have a timetable when they will get new games or is it up to management (either line/regional/executive)?

I'd say it's up to some idiot, but I'll let Marc answer this question.

[coveguy]

to be honest, i'm still trying to figure out the system. even though i'm a manager, i'm still small potatoes. all i know is i make my recommendation(s), relay them to simon (who will also have recomendations or ideas of his own aswel) and then something may or may not happen.

that's as accurate (and honest) an answer as i can give

[Angry Black]

final tuned would be a good game to bring to orbit and whats goin on wit gg#r any arcade getting it

[Rock2k1]

Is it me, or does the horse game get no play? I am pretty sure that everytime I am at orbit on a saturday, and the place is packed, there is no one playing that game. That room could be used for better games.

As people have mentioned, #R and final tuned would be great additions.

Regarding opening an arcade at U of T. Well, its a huge campus. And the other arcade in that area (the one at dundas and yonge) is nasty as hell. If an arcade is open at st. george, I am sure it'll make money. Especially from the counter-strike/warcraft players. And there is a base for fighting game players forming there with the students and also the fact that there are players in that area that currently go to the arcade at dundas and yonge.

EDIT: Yeah, sorry, kinda messed up. Its dundas and yonge. Thx for looking out.

[AneurysmX]

Dufferin and Yonge?

[g3nn]

*note* i'm not sure if i mentioned this before, but also, one of the best ways to ensure speedy reponses to broken games is to let my staff know. simply ask them to leave a note for marc (that's me) :p , to fix whatever you believe needs fixing.
Tell me you're joking. :xeye: The big retarded chinese guy who seems to be ALWAYS working cash has never reported or done a thing about anything anyone tells him. He's seriously one of the worst people you could have representing eStarburst and Orbit. He needs to get X'd asap.

Hope he's not Simon's nephew or something.

[RXS]

Hey Mark,

I met you back at the Orbits tourney in december and talked to you shortly at the York tourney. It's Vince, the guy that works at Mohawk Cove with Colleen. I know Kevin gave you a shout on wednesday or so about getting the MArvel Characters unlocked on the japanese boards. It seems you haven't been able to get them unlocked either, but if you do come across a way to do that, let me know. my email is rx_s1@hotmail.com. oh and if you ever need a hand changing buttons and stuff at tourneys and i'm there, Kevin showed me how to fix them on wednesday (i already knew how just figured i'd let him show me so that i didnt' screw up).

RXS

[King Of Naboo]

Tell me you're joking. :xeye: The big retarded chinese guy who seems to be ALWAYS working cash has never reported or done a thing about anything anyone tells him. He's seriously one of the worst people you could have representing eStarburst and Orbit. He needs to get X'd asap.

Hope he's not Simon's nephew or something.

Firing him would be going a little far... I do agree that there is opportunity to give him some feedback in his work.

1) When people play wordster on the touchscreen, we don't need or want his help.

2) He shouldn't talk down to people and look at you like a retard when the machines don't take the coin. "Did you put it in faaaassstt or slooooooww".

[DarkDragon]

not sure if eveyone have seen this so:
For what it's worth, I've got the official CapCom arcade unlock codes here (http://zachd.com/mvc2/MVC2_Unlock.doc) on my site, and I entered them into GameFAQs DB too. Of course you're screwed if you're on console or a Japanese board, but: ... I thought I should point this out for future reference. :smile:
http://zachd.com/mvc2/MVC2_Unlock.doc
Again, i'm not sure if these are the same codes marc used at the york tourny.

[Nagata Lock II]

not sure if eveyone have seen this so:

http://zachd.com/mvc2/MVC2_Unlock.doc
Again, i'm not sure if these are the same codes marc used at the york tourny.
Yeah those are the exact same codes that we tried at York U. No dice. I think it's only because it's a Japanese board so we're all SOL.

[g3nn]

I think that machine is just broken.

Japanese board on not, how can it be stuck at the same characters for 3 years? No one 'unlocked' the Orbit or Waterloo cabinets, and they reached all characters on their own.

[g3nn]

Firing him would be going a little far... I do agree that there is opportunity to give him some feedback in his work.

1) When people play wordster on the touchscreen, we don't need or want his help.

2) He shouldn't talk down to people and look at you like a retard when the machines don't take the coin. "Did you put it in faaaassstt or slooooooww".
3) When buttons stop working or the machine eats your token, his first assumption is that YOU did something to IT. When his responsibilty is to correct what it did to you.

4) When you ask him to make a report of broken equipment, he'll say "yeeessssss I'll take caaaare of it" but does nothing and no report is ever logged. Marc, this has happened dozens of times.

5) He'll leave the counter unattended for ridiculous periods of time.

6) If you call Orbit and ask him a question in english, he answers in chinese.

7) He closes Orbit early. Probably because to catch the last bus, but that's not my problem.

I dont think firing him is going far at all.

His job is "Customer Service". So if he can't provide service to his customers, then he's got no business working there.

[RXS]

no dice on those codes.. tried them before already.. thanks though

RXS

[KrassHole]

g3nn is breaking balls!

[X-Sapphire]

I ask him change for a $20, he checks it with the UV light. It's ok so he gives me a $10, $5, and $5 in coins.
Then he sees me giving back the $5 bill (that he just gave to me) back to him for coin change, and he checks it under the UV light.
:rolleyes:

[KrassHole]

I ask him change for a $20, he checks it with the UV light. It's ok so he gives me a $10, $5, and $5 in coins.
Then he sees me giving back the $5 bill (that he just gave to me) back to him for coin change, and he checks it under the UV light.
:rolleyes:



LOL

Maybe he is a robot.

[Nagata Lock II]

I ask him change for a $20, he checks it with the UV light. It's ok so he gives me a $10, $5, and $5 in coins.
Then he sees me giving back the $5 bill (that he just gave to me) back to him for coin change, and he checks it under the UV light.
That's actually a fucking ORBIT scam and it makes me sick. There have been two different occasions where I have broken a twenty, got money from the cashier and then later that night gone back to the cashier for more change and they tell me the money is counterfeit. YOU GAVE ME THE FUCKING MONEY! HOW THE FUCK IS IT COUNTERFEIT!? I know I lost it once during a UN when I wanted to buy a can of pop and was scammed. They really need to get a handle on money issues because you can't hand people counterfeit bills and then punk you out afterwards.

On a side note, I paid for Deep Fried Chicken Wings and Fries with the counterfeit five right after that.

[X-Pac786]

I think that machine is just broken.

Japanese board on not, how can it be stuck at the same characters for 3 years? No one 'unlocked' the Orbit or Waterloo cabinets, and they reached all characters on their own.


we had characters unlocked at York .... they'd appear and then magically disappear the semester after ..... each semester we'd show up and ask "oooh I wonder which character has been unlocked this time?" after 3 years there have been like 3 .... and then one day they magically disappeared .... I don't get it but then again I don't play a lot of Marvel I just hear everyone else complain at York.

[X-Pac786]

On a side note, I paid for Deep Fried Chicken Wings and Fries with the counterfeit five right after that.


lol that's hilarious .,.... ok I think I'm laughing at anything at this point ... ummmm oh Marc CVS2 at York U the stick on the 1P side has issues .... I swear I know how to throw fireballs but something's not right because they don't come out a lot of the time! And I'm not the only one who thinks this a few others have said the same thing ever since the tourney ended... I guess it needs a little fix I dunno ...

[coveguy]

ok. first things first

when it comes to the cashier's performance, i have spoken to him (and all my staff) about customer service. i hope to have it up to par asap.

the whole thing about us checking bills even right after we get them.. i'm guilty of doing that to be honest. it's a habit. it's not like we don't trust you guys. i've checked bills my gf has given me just b/c i'm so used to it.
when it comes to conterfeit bills being returned to you guys, i'm not sure how they did it in the past, but now that i'm there, if there are any issues, as always, contact me

with concerns to jap version of mvc2... we don't have a clue what's going on. believe me, i'll work more on it after this weekend of hell passes by

i'll inform the techs to replace the cvs2 stick (1p side) tomorrow morning/afternoon

*note*
COME OVER TO ORBIT TOMORROW (SAT). TOURNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

~marc

[Nagata Lock II]

FIX 300 IN 1 PLEEEAAASE!

In fact you may want to look into getting a second one of those things if the cost isn't too high.

I just wanted to give much props to Marc and his staff for what may have been the first time ever I've been to ORBIT and none of the tournament machines had any issues the entire day (am I wrong? Did anyone have problems?).

Unlimited Night = Tekken 5 Insanity.

[coveguy]

well, there was a problem with hs on ggxx... but i think that was before the tourney started... if it was... then you're right, first time
:D

[JS Master]

thanks so much to marc for being there and helped running 3s and fixinng etc...

best of all, he didn't kick me out for kicking the machine :P

[X-Sapphire]

Yeah, it was a well smoothly run tournament. GGXX was busted before the tourney. I fail to recognize whether a machine is set to event or not, thanks Marc.

Eric took his losses like a man. Be a man bitch!

[g3nn]

Since it's pretty clear Marc knows how to handle his shit, and the people at Metro NEVER fix anything.. who's for holding the Feb 19th tourney at Orbit?

Edit: Marc wanna throw some tokens into the pots?

[Sweet Cheeba]

Since it's pretty clear Marc knows how to handle his shit, and the people at Metro NEVER fix anything.. who's for holding the Feb 19th tourney at Orbit?

Edit: Marc wanna throw some tokens into the respective pots?


If this were the case I'd be more then happy to come a little early and run CVS2, I think we should have the february 19th tourney at orbit :tup: but only if something really nice can be worked out for people left in the tourney to get back in if UN were to start before the end of the tourney

[g3nn]

And if UN is gonna be a problem or source of confusion, then we'll just move the tourney to the following saturday.

[RPGv2]

can orbit do what they did for T5 and hand out coupons for people who entered the tournaments to be let back into UN for only $5?

[bakchoi]

hey marc, you're not in charge of the customer service at the UW cove right? Who is? Devin? it's getting pretty bad here. Only one of the cashiers actually gives you change when you give him something smaller than a 5 bill. Everyone else just points at the change machine and says "it works. use it."

I've been in there and the "Will be back in 10 minutes" sign is up and then i see the cashier chilling with his buddies near the computers or the machines.

someone needs to get shot. or at least fired :)

Marvel has been down for 2 days. TWO DAYS! i'm having marvel withdrawal and shaking while i walk. sometimes when i'm in class i scream out "GRAV TEMPEST!" for no reason.

marvel 1p side's assist 1 and HK is also still messed up, even after the tech fixed it. they were fine for a day after a cove night and then they got fucked up again.

i've also lost my title as designated button masher bouncer :(

[g3nn]

Marc, let's go to Waterloo and take care of this. You fix the buttons, I'll fix Clayton.

[Sweet Cheeba]

Genn: you and I will take the steps towards making a tourney happen on the 19th, whether it's at orbit, York U, Metro, it doesn't matter, lets just make something happen

[coveguy]

tournament talk: i'm a little concerned about the 19th b/c as already mentioned, UN is that day, and i'd hate to have confusion. maybe just to save everyone a headache, i'd prefer the following sat if anything (but i think there's one planned for march 5th?)

i also exchanged an email with franz, he's hoping to get a t5 tournament going aswell. i told him the same thing though, the following sat would be best)

having one at york doesn't seem too bad of an idea if you're stuck on arranging it for the 19th. metro's a bad idea though :p lol

'loo cove: i've been hearing nuttin but horror stories, stuff that i would nvr stand for back in my day. devin is the manager there now (last itme i checked) but i have no solid idea. with concerns to the mvc2... i got bd news for you clay... it's in orbit now, in the office...

the techs are gonna look at the board, hopefully get it up and runnign... i'm no top-tier tech.. but i bet it's the cab's powersupply causing it (like at york cove) but i can't really say

[b4k4]

final tuned would be a good game to bring to orbit and whats goin on wit gg#r any arcade getting it
Co-sign.

I've wanted VF back at Orbit for a long time, and #Reload is WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY over due. I've heard it's on order... but what's going on with that?

Oh, and T5 tournament can be pushed back to the 26th, then? Is that cool?

[coveguy]

actually, i'm thinking of having all fighting game tournaments (including t5) on march the 5th

check out the tourney section

everyone cool with that?

[Nagata Lock II]

actually, i'm thinking of having all fighting game tournaments (including t5) on march the 5th?
YYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSS! :clap:

Alpha 3 = YellowS4 crying in defeat.

[b4k4]

That's good with us (T5ers).

[Crayz Penguin]

Marvel has been down for 2 days. TWO DAYS! i'm having marvel withdrawal and shaking while i walk. sometimes when i'm in class i scream out "GRAV TEMPEST!" for no reason.
:rofl::rofl:
this had me on the floor for some reason

edit: i got a sudgestion for orbit, use real sticks! god i hate those jap sticks...if being at tourneys wasnt fun i wouldnt come to orbit, my placing in the latest orbit tourneys has been donkey ass-crap :lame: errr...i dont even think ive done remotely well at an orbit tourney for like 6 months.

[King Of Naboo]

edit: i got a sudgestion for orbit, use real sticks!

Those are real sticks. How about you quit crying?

[Nagata Lock II]

Those are real sticks. How about you quit crying?
This is one of the rare occasions where I'm completely in agreement with Ryan. It's not the sticks, it's the players. For those of us that actually play on Japanese cabinets on a regular basis or play on Agetecs at home, ORBIT is as good an arcade to play on as any. It's up to the players to adapt themselves to the arcade they're playing within. It's not like the sticks are broken, the players just aren't used to them. If the sticks were the issue, I really don't think the best players in the world over in Japan would be executing the way they are on either their sticks or any stick around the world when they go out for international competition.

MASSticks have spoiled people. :tdown:

[King Of Naboo]

This is one of the rare occasions where I'm completely in agreement with Ryan. It's not the sticks, it's the players. For those of us that actually play on Japanese cabinets on a regular basis or play on Agetecs at home, ORBIT is as good an arcade to play on as any. It's up to the players to adapt themselves to the arcade they're playing within. It's not like the sticks are broken, the players just aren't used to them. If the sticks were the issue, I really don't think the best players in the world over in Japan would be executing the way they are on either their sticks or any stick around the world when they go out for international competition.

MASSticks have spoiled people. :tdown:

The other thing is that the last 2 major tournaments have been at Orbit. These sticks are nothing new. They work the way they are suppose to. It's up to the player to adapt, and you've all had lots of time to do so.

[b4k4]

The truth is, Japanese sticks just make for better execution. Short stick length = less movement required = faster inputs = better execution. You're actually advantaged on Japanese sticks; just take the time to learn them. Hori's aren't even that expensive, and they're prety good for practicing.

[g3nn]

Genn: you and I will take the steps towards making a tourney happen on the 19th, whether it's at orbit, York U, Metro, it doesn't matter, lets just make something happen
I dont feel like getting into a mess with UN. And I dont want to go to Metro when Marc's been working his ass off for us. Marc wants to have a tourney on March 5th, and I'll help him run that.

But I'll play anyone for money at Marvel at UN. I'll even consider giving odds if you suck.

[Sweet Cheeba]

I dont feel like getting into a mess with UN. And I dont want to go to Metro when Marc's been working his ass off for us. Marc wants to have a tourney on March 5th, and I'll help him run that.

But I'll play anyone for money at Marvel at UN. I'll even consider giving odds if you suck.

Yeah that's cool, Marc is doing a hell of a lot to keep this tourney scene alive and well :tup: maybe he should come in on one of our blunt sessions for all his troubles :clap:

[jiggabry]

MASSticks have spoiled people. :tdown:no im sure people are just used to having what they did come out :tup:

[X-Sapphire]

I dont feel like getting into a mess with UN. And I dont want to go to Metro when Marc's been working his ass off for us.

Orbit is teh way!

Hey Marc, do we still get discount for UN if we have VIP? Which cost how much anyway?

I wanted to get a VIP once and go to UN right before UN started a year ago, but they told me I couldn't buy the VIP since UN was just about to start...then I forgot about getting a VIP. But now I wan't a VIP again since I will be going to UN more often. So will I be able to buy a VIP card on Feb.19 before UN starts?

[DaFlipMastaXV]

I still think for Marvel, American sticks are the way to go for T6, not only because of the fact that orbit sticks "suck", but because that cabinet has had problems since well...ever. We can't bring in any MvC2 cabinets from other places because they dont have full characters. And 1 cabinet for a major is kinda weak.

Yes, I know that the tournaments have run on time for Marvel the last two years, but there's been no room for money matches or casual. If the turnout increases which it most likely will (since there was never this attention for T5), then I don't think one cab would be enough.

g3nn = 3 to 1 odds please :)

[DarkDragon]

my VIP is too good. I go to the entrance, simon looks at me, looks at the guy a the door, looks back at me and says "5 bucks"...

[g3nn]

my VIP is too good. I go to the entrance, simon looks at me, looks at the guy a the door, looks back at me and says "5 bucks"...
You seem like nice guy.. he give you best price!

[b4k4]

Actually, I need a VIP, too. I remember the last time I paid full price for UN; it tasted like a dick in the mouth (no, I wouldn't really know). Since I was pretty much only playing SC2, I could've played as many games as I did for about a dollar.

UN scrubs = boo.

:(

[KrassHole]

I agree with dual marvel cabinets.

And possibly a 3rd CvS2 ?

And can CvS2 PLEASE NOT BE ROUND ROBIN??

that was the biggest scammiest shit ever.

[Crayz Penguin]

The truth is, Japanese sticks just make for better execution. Short stick length = less movement required = faster inputs = better execution. You're actually advantaged on Japanese sticks; just take the time to learn them. Hori's aren't even that expensive, and they're prety good for practicing.

:rofl: better execution, thats a good one.
what you said might be true for anything other than marvel, but for some reason the stick just doesnt respond the way i want it to :xeye: hell, i play 100x better on sauga sticks, SAUGA STICKS!!!
in my previous post i didnt mean to come across saying "the sticks are the problem, not me" its obviously a combination(sp?) of both since me and orbit go together like oil and water =/

[JS Master]

If the sticks were the issue, I really don't think the best players in the world over in Japan would be executing the way they are on either their sticks or any stick around the world when they go out for international competition.

MASSticks have spoiled people. :tdown:

how come japanese can request jap sticks at evo and we can't request american sticks here?

[noodleman]

cause this ain't evo, bitch! that's right, you got served!

[coveguy]

*note
there is no longer "vip" cards

the ko card that i have been talking about is the new vip card
please buy one so that it looks like i've been doing a good job :D

btw, many thanks for the support you guys.
thank yous such as that help me maintain my sanity and not leave saying "fuck it" as ddragon mentioned earlier

keep coming to orbit, and i'll keep the games working :D

[King Of Naboo]

Are the Capcom games combatible with the cabs that allow you to plug a Playstation controller into them?

[coveguy]

not that i know of
that has been an ongoing questions... plus, if anything, i would assume that it would be compatible with dc rather than psx since it's a sega cab.

[Nagata Lock II]

cause this ain't evo, bitch! that's right, you got served!
Exactly, while I would love to put forth the idea that the T Tournament is on par with Evolution it quite simply is not. We have neither the resources nor the sheer inclination to go out of our way to get US Cabinets, to a Japanese oriented arcade, for two nights, to a tournament that draws the least numbers out of the big 3 SF games (and in all likelihood will be outdrawn by Tekken 5 this year to boot).

BTW; asking for US sticks while the entire MvC2 scene manages to never show any interest in playing at either METRO or Skybox's MvC2 doesn't exactly help your case.

As for the T6 stuff that was brought up:

When I finish my proposal for Marc to look over and send to Head Office there will be many requests including a second MvC2 cabinet for the very reasons brought up by Teddy. A third CvS2 cabinet is also being requested for obvious time reasons.

Matt; I still can't see how Round Robin qualifiers were a scam considering your played five opponents instead of possibly two. In your case specifically, you had what may well have been the weakest bracket out of the entire lot (outside of FreddyL0c0). When Yuhin qualifies and he doesn't even touch the game outside of random BS, it doesn't bode well for anyone's case that they would have gone far in other circumstances.

To stay on point though, I will be sure to create a standard 2/3 falls, double elimination format for T6 CvS2. Personally though I thought the qualifier format worked out very well and if you take a look at the Top 16 at T6 it's got a stacked top 16, exactly what the qualifiers were supposed to create.

Marc; apologies for not doing so in the results thread but I (and I'm sure many others) are very grateful for your hard work thus far.

[coveguy]

lol
i know you guys are. i can sense it :p
lol

[KrassHole]

Matt; I still can't see how Round Robin qualifiers were a scam considering your played five opponents instead of possibly two. In your case specifically, you had what may well have been the weakest bracket out of the entire lot (outside of FreddyL0c0). When Yuhin qualifies and he doesn't even touch the game outside of random BS, it doesn't bode well for anyone's case that they would have gone far in other circumstances.

To stay on point though, I will be sure to create a standard 2/3 falls, double elimination format for T6 CvS2. Personally though I thought the qualifier format worked out very well and if you take a look at the Top 16 at T6 it's got a stacked top 16, exactly what the qualifiers were supposed to create.



You've got to be kidding me.

How is it superior if I'm forced to wait 7hours to play my match. And on top of that the controls are mashed to shit by that time. The buttons barely worked by the time my pool played.
Not too mention that one match is bullshit. You can say whatever you want, you're not going to change my view on it. And theres no way in hell my bracket was weak, I gave up cause i lost to skisonic(who i never lost to before) then freddyloco. Too top it all off, there were only 40 something people. t4 had around 55 and was run fine in a 64 man bracket. Its not evolution so the idea of qualifying pools never should have even been used.

[jiggabry]

BTW; asking for US sticks while the entire MvC2 scene manages to never show any interest in playing at either METRO or Skybox's MvC2 doesn't exactly help your case.considering neither of those arcades have working marvel sticks iunno wtf yur talking about

[Crayz Penguin]

considering neither of those arcades have working marvel sticks iunno wtf yur talking about

me neither, show me a working american mvc2 cab (streetsville)then you can talk about us not going to it. we dont play at skybox the same reason you dont, its crap.

[KrassHole]

me neither, show me a working american mvc2 cab (streetsville)then you can talk about us not going to it. we dont play at skybox the same reason you dont, its crap.


Ya, streetsville bowl is the best mvc2 cabinet in the GTA.

Skybox is a piece of garbage. Metro is a disgrace, the stick feels like its going to come out of the machine.


I actually dont mind jap sticks for marvel, its just the button layout, I can't do the magneto infinite which limits the teams I can play, which is bullshit.

[RXS]

you guys complain WAY too much... cry...

RXS

[KrassHole]

you guys complain WAY too much... cry...

RXS


Who the scrub are you.

[Nagata Lock II]

How is it superior if I'm forced to wait 7hours to play my match. And on top of that the controls are mashed to shit by that time. The buttons barely worked by the time my pool played.
The length of time you have to wait for your match isn't really an issue here. If you had entered a 44 person tournament, and been slotted in a late bracket, you'd have had to wait at least a couple of hours for your first match, then the insane wait if you won your first match (finishing the 1st round and then the 1st round of losers bracket). In the end you wait a lot longer to play through your matches in a 64 person bracket than you do in a pool system. The only difference was yours was one of the latest pools.

You're the only person to complain about "the controls are mashed to shit." Not a single person complained about sticks or buttons on CvS2 that whole weekend either in Team Tournament, Qualifiers or Top 16 on the Sunday. Marvel was fucked up more times than I could count but CvS2 was just fine.
Not too mention that one match is bullshit. You can say whatever you want, you're not going to change my view on it.
It's not my fault you can't deal with a pressure situation.
And theres no way in hell my bracket was weak, I gave up cause i lost to skisonic(who i never lost to before) then freddyloco. Too top it all off, there were only 40 something people. t4 had around 55 and was run fine in a 64 man bracket. Its not evolution so the idea of qualifying pools never should have even been used.
Again, it's not my fault you gave up on your pool. You had six entrants:

BLOCK G
1st - FreddyLoco (10 points - Beat Krasshole, Skisonic, Chono, Lun and Angel Of Rage)
2nd - Angel Of Rage (8 points - Beat Krasshole, Skisonic, Chono and Lun. Lost to FreddyLoco)
3rd - Skisonic (6 points - Beat Krasshole, Chono and Lun. Lost to FreddyLoco and Angel Of Rage)
4th - Krasshole (4 points - Beat Chono and Lun. Lost to FreddyLoco, Angel Of Rage and Skisonic)
5th - Chono (2 points - Beat Lun. Lost to FreddyLoco, Angel Of Rage, Krasshole and Skisonic)
6th - Lun (0 points - Lost to Freddy Loco, Angel Of Rage, Skisonic, Krasshole, and Chono)

Even at 2 losses, you could have forced a tie break with Yuhin and Christian if you'd beaten Yuhin later on. The pool play was the best way to salvage the bracket situation after the excel fuck up and the late start. When we went to ECC9, the pool play was the same way and their top 16 was a fantastic set of players. If you're good enough to make it that far, it shows through, that's all there is to it. Complaining about 1 match systems and long waits doesn't mean jack, you wait for the match, get the job done and move on. That's what good players do.

[KrassHole]

The length of time you have to wait for your match isn't really an issue here. If you had entered a 44 person tournament, and been slotted in a late bracket, you'd have had to wait at least a couple of hours for your first match, then the insane wait if you won your first match (finishing the 1st round and then the 1st round of losers bracket). In the end you wait a lot longer to play through your matches in a 64 person bracket than you do in a pool system. The only difference was yours was one of the latest pools.

You're the only person to complain about "the controls are mashed to shit." Not a single person complained about sticks or buttons on CvS2 that whole weekend either in Team Tournament, Qualifiers or Top 16 on the Sunday. Marvel was fucked up more times than I could count but CvS2 was just fine.

It's not my fault you can't deal with a pressure situation.

Again, it's not my fault you gave up on your pool. You had six entrants:

BLOCK G
1st - FreddyLoco (10 points - Beat Krasshole, Skisonic, Chono, Lun and Angel Of Rage)
2nd - Angel Of Rage (8 points - Beat Krasshole, Skisonic, Chono and Lun. Lost to FreddyLoco)
3rd - Skisonic (6 points - Beat Krasshole, Chono and Lun. Lost to FreddyLoco and Angel Of Rage)
4th - Krasshole (4 points - Beat Chono and Lun. Lost to FreddyLoco, Angel Of Rage and Skisonic)
5th - Chono (2 points - Beat Lun. Lost to FreddyLoco, Angel Of Rage, Krasshole and Skisonic)
6th - Lun (0 points - Lost to Freddy Loco, Angel Of Rage, Skisonic, Krasshole, and Chono)

Even at 2 losses, you could have forced a tie break with Yuhin and Christian if you'd beaten Yuhin later on. The pool play was the best way to salvage the bracket situation after the excel fuck up and the late start. When we went to ECC9, the pool play was the same way and their top 16 was a fantastic set of players. If you're good enough to make it that far, it shows through, that's all there is to it. Complaining about 1 match systems and long waits doesn't mean jack, you wait for the match, get the job done and move on. That's what good players do.


Its ok, you didnt qualify either. :lol:

I'm the only one that complained?? Everyone is always complaining about Orbit controls, even in this thread. Yup, its only me.

[coveguy]

[QUOTE=KrassHole]You've got to be kidding me.

How is it superior if I'm forced to wait 7hours to play my match. And on top of that the controls are mashed to shit by that time. The buttons barely worked by the time my pool played...QUOTE]

I know that has been an issue in the past, but i hope you guys know that it should no longer be an issue anymore. You know why i'm there, so ask me

I'd rather hear you guys complain about the button layout and jap sticks, then saying it doesn't work.

If it doesn't work, that's my fault, and i'll correct that asap

If it's b/c of jap stick / button layout... sorry, I can't help you there (unless i can get that outlet for a dc / psx pad going for you guys)

[Nagata Lock II]

I'm the only one that complained?? Everyone is always complaining about Orbit controls, even in this thread. Yup, its only me.
No one complained about CvS2's controls during T5. The buttons all worked fine. The sticks all worked fine. I think we only had one repair for CvS2 the entire weekend and that was on the Friday night during the Team Tournament.

[KrassHole]

Ya well i remember I lost to yuhin cause he does a level3 with honda from full screen, I goto roll, nothing happens and I get hit by it and lose to time out cause he turtles for rest of the match.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

you guys complain WAY too much... cry...

RXS

Yea, complaining in a thread that was created for people who had complaints. I didn't see that coming

[X-Sapphire]

How many times, has it fuking been said, to keep this thread to its topic?

[Nagata Lock II]

How many times, has it fuking been said, to keep this thread to its topic?
The current back and forth is on topic, the bitching has to do with T5 and how the players felt about it. This is directly relateable to T6 and what can be worked out so that it runs smoother than its tournament predecessor.

[YellowS4]

the same guys complain are the same ppl that suck! booyaka!

heffalump bitches. heffalump.

btw, rumble fish 2 plz

[DarkDragon]

k i'm not personally attacking anyone but u guys need to get some hori sticks (not nagata's retard tekken crap) down at sauga/brampton cuz its been around 3/4 years and ppl still have problems with the sticks. I agree from time to time the sticks may have problems but what cab wouldn't since almost everyone smashes the buttons and whatnot when they play at orbit. Ive seen ppl mashing on a jap stick like they think it can take a beating like a us stick. And on top of that, we got marc here now so sick issues get fixed minutes after being reported. I guess my point is its a chinese mall with bad chinese drivers, with little chinese "thugs", with a big jewish manager :xeye: , who maintains a big chinese arcade that has little sticks for little chinese hands...the ony thing we can do is adapt with what we're given.

Another thing is, and i kinda think its to early to even consider is to tamper with the T5 machines. If marc could do what he did to the marvel/tennis game at york to the marvel/t5 machine at orbit, you would have better sticks AND have a playstation port that allows sticks as well (some ppl from the T5 tourny were using console sticks). I know this can't even be looked at right now seeing how T5 just came out and im pretty sure it was expensive, maybe marc should consider looking into used T5 cabs or any cabs that have dc/ps ports (and im pretty sure they have cabs like that).

[YellowS4]

there was a cab a fear years back w/the dc port. might've been the days when cvs2 was where svc is now. but it didn't work w/the dc stick, assuming that it wasn't hooked up in the first place.

the days where it was nothing but stc/vf and metro, its an easy transition to jpnse sticks. you guys just suck and are too used to shitty sauga sticks :P

[King Of Naboo]

there was a cab a fear years back w/the dc port. might've been the days when cvs2 was where svc is now. but it didn't work w/the dc stick, assuming that it wasn't hooked up in the first place.

the days where it was nothing but stc/vf and metro, its an easy transition to jpnse sticks. you guys just suck and are too used to shitty sauga sticks :P

It doesn't even look like a problem with the sticks. It's a problem with certain people looking for excuses for losing all the time.

[Ex-S]

@ York U cove, the stick on the 1p side (the far side closer to T5) doesn't work properly. The down-right position doesn't totally register so you can't block sometimes, and you can't do circular motions (like qcf).

[KrassHole]

I never said much about the sticks, I only mentioned the buttons. So any fuckface that wants to talk shit in a subtle fashion can eat shit.

[coveguy]

I guess my point is its a chinese mall with bad chinese drivers, with little chinese "thugs", with a big jewish manager :xeye: , who maintains a big chinese arcade that has little sticks for little chinese hands...the ony thing we can do is adapt with what we're given.

when you're talking about the manager... that's not me is it? just wondering :xeye:

Another thing is, and i kinda think its to early to even consider is to tamper with the T5 machines. If marc could do what he did to the marvel/tennis game at york to the marvel/t5 machine at orbit, you would have better sticks AND have a playstation port that allows sticks as well (some ppl from the T5 tourny were using console sticks). I know this can't even be looked at right now seeing how T5 just came out and im pretty sure it was expensive, maybe marc should consider looking into used T5 cabs or any cabs that have dc/ps ports (and im pretty sure they have cabs like that).

the thing is, as far as i know, they're completely differnt board styles. the tennis game and mvc2 were the exact same setup style (with a few minor exception) but as mentioned before, i will explore all possibilties with the techs, so i'll ask that question aswell


@ York U cove, the stick on the 1p side (the far side closer to T5) doesn't work properly. The down-right position doesn't totally register so you can't block sometimes, and you can't do circular motions (like qcf).

yes! a complaint i can repond to with ease!... except... what game? lol.

[Ex-S]

Whoops, sorry... CvS2..lol, thanks

[King Of Naboo]

I never said much about the sticks, I only mentioned the buttons. So any fuckface that wants to talk shit in a subtle fashion can eat shit.

Subtle? I already said people that complain about the sticks are cry babies. You being the biggest one. With your big online talk, you try be an e-thug because you can't one anywhere else. You cry all over the boards everytime you enter a tournament and getted peaced out early. Then you blame Nagata's brackets or whatever else. It's not the way the tournaments are run, it's your lack of skill and ability to adapt. You don't even have a fraction of Nagata's tournament running experience, so you have no business telling him how to run brackets or seeding.

[coveguy]

Whoops, sorry... CvS2..lol, thanks
no problem
i'll let the techs know asap (also, just incase, be sure to tell your friendly york campus cove staff, so that they can report it to the techs)

[KrassHole]

Subtle? I already said people that complain about the sticks are cry babies. You being the biggest one. With your big online talk, you try be an e-thug because you can't one anywhere else. You cry all over the boards everytime you enter a tournament and getted peaced out early. Then you blame Nagata's brackets or whatever else. It's not the way the tournaments are run, it's your lack of skill and ability to adapt. You don't even have a fraction of Nagata's tournament running experience, so you have no business telling him how to run brackets or seeding.



blah blah and I wasn't even talking about the sticks. I dont try to be anything, I just don't like you. I know curt has run bigger tournaments than me, I'm not even talking about curt so I dont know why you even mention him. And because I have one bad tournament I suck all of a sudden?? Thats funny because the tournament before the last one I was about to win my match to get 5th and the power goes out. Ya I guess top 5 at orbit tournaments means that you suck. I was saying the buttons at orbit are garbage which they are. I can remember that we've had to call the marvel finals a draw because hard kick or hardpunch would break. Or buttons flying out of the machine in the middle of matches on CvS2, yeah its happened before so don't even say its not true. The only problem i have with orbit sticks is that sometimes its hard to DP.

[King Of Naboo]

And because I have one bad tournament I suck all of a sudden??


No, you suck because you're a retard.

[KrassHole]

No, you suck because you're a retard.



ooohh good come back.

[King Of Naboo]

ooohh good come back.

I don't need to write out a long come back. What you write has no substance. If someone important or good complained, then it would matter. You make no contributions to the community at all. You just whine all the time. If you think you have all the answers, then you run a tournament.

[coveguy]

ok. i think right about now we're getting a little off topic

could the complaints be narrowed down to starburst items, and not complaints about people please?

[Crayz Penguin]

well all i know is, next orbit tourney im playin more war3 than mvc2 :p hey, at least nobody can complain about the computers :tup:

[KrassHole]

I don't need to write out a long come back. What you write has no substance. If someone important or good complained, then it would matter. You make no contributions to the community at all. You just whine all the time. If you think you have all the answers, then you run a tournament.



Since when is it my obligation to make contributions to the community? What do you do for the community (as of late)??

[RXS]

yo do i hear a money match coming on :P settle that shit like REAL SF players.

RXS

[noodleman]

well all i know is, next orbit tourney im playin more war3 than mvc2 :p hey, at least nobody can complain about the computers :tup:

no man, n00bs have been bashing the keyboard, the optical mouse had dust in it so it didn't move properly, or the ultimate excuse...LAG! hahaha Plenty of things to complain about computers :P

[coveguy]

lol
that reminds me of a translator page for cs players

LAG: means "i suck and i don't know how to play"
CAMPER: means "you are a far superior player. nice shot"
AWP WHORE!: means "nice shot, i could not dodge that one"

and so on and so forth... ah.. i must find the link for that site again

*edit
ah.. here's the site. check it out. good for a laugh or two
http://www.skoolshooting.com/text_cs.htm

[King Of Naboo]

Since when is it my obligation to make contributions to the community? What do you do for the community (as of late)??

I never said you had an obligation to the community. But if you don't contribute to the community, then why should the community care about how you want the tournaments run? "As of late", whatever, I retired from running tournaments because I don't have the time. I have more experience in organizing and running tournamnents then anyone in TOSF except Nagata and Darkdragon. I helped start and build this community from the first tournaments at VF up to T4. You've done nothing for it. Your opinion about how the tournaments should be run are worthless.

[Angel of Rage]

round robin was a bad idea for t5. or at least you guys could have made it best out of 3. cuz i remembr i won most of my match, cuz a single mistake my oppenent made, and i turtle that shit afterwards.

marc: sercive in loo getting so bad, even i hardly go there anymore. the back in 5 mins sign is alway up there. and then i leave after i wait liek 15 mins and still have no changes to play. and half the comp have graphic glitches, where halfway through a game, you get drop out cuz the graphic card frooze or u comp before pixeled.

[KrassHole]

I never said you had an obligation to the community. But if you don't contribute to the community, then why should the community care about how you want the tournaments run? "As of late", whatever, I retired from running tournaments because I don't have the time. I have more experience in organizing and running tournamnents then anyone in TOSF except Nagata and Darkdragon. I helped start and build this community from the first tournaments at VF up to T4. You've done nothing for it. Your opinion about how the tournaments should be run are worthless.



uhhhh I helped start the tournament scene in sauga. Seeing as how I live in Sauga, I think thats a decent contribution.

[King Of Naboo]

uhhhh I helped start the tournament scene in sauga. Seeing as how I live in Sauga, I think thats a decent contribution.

great! you can use all your ideas in the thriving scene in sauga.

[KrassHole]

great! you can use all your ideas in the thriving scene in sauga.


Your sarcasm is noted.

Also note that without sauga theres no marvel scene. Well there is but it would consist of about 5 people.

[Nagata Lock II]

Marc; has any progress been made with the 300 in 1 cabinet? I get the feeling that Alpha 3 will be a big game at the March 5th tournament and I'd hate to still see that machine down up to that point. Have you considering adding another 300 in 1 at York Cove? From what I saw at ORBIT, that particular cabinet always drew in a lot of players and it'd be a solid contribution.

REEEEEELOOOOOOAD! WHERE IS IT?! :tup:

[RXS]

damn.. Alpha 3 at March 5th orbits tourney.. i'm there.

RXS

[b4k4]

I'm going to re-enforce what Nagata said:

We wants our #Reload.

:sad:

P.S.: Marc, I'll drop by tomorrow, re: prizes from regionals. You going to be around?

[coveguy]

yeah.. i'll be there around 3 - 4:30

if i'm not there, ask the staff to call me on my cell or something. or talk to simon. the prizes are currently in the office

[YellowS4]

ps2's > horsey plz

[AneurysmX]

fighting games on the 300 in 1 machine are pretty much unplayble unless they can fix the chopiness.

[^FlightWing^]

blah blah and I wasn't even talking about the sticks. I dont try to be anything, I just don't like you. I know curt has run bigger tournaments than me, I'm not even talking about curt so I dont know why you even mention him. And because I have one bad tournament I suck all of a sudden?? Thats funny because the tournament before the last one I was about to win my match to get 5th and the power goes out. Ya I guess top 5 at orbit tournaments means that you suck. I was saying the buttons at orbit are garbage which they are. I can remember that we've had to call the marvel finals a draw because hard kick or hardpunch would break. Or buttons flying out of the machine in the middle of matches on CvS2, yeah its happened before so don't even say its not true. The only problem i have with orbit sticks is that sometimes its hard to DP.

i havent post for a long a$$ time...
sup everyone...

ex matt... stop complaining...
you, i and most of the people know u love to complain everytime u lost in a tournment... its neither the stick, the button, the bracket, the time, your mom or its because darkdragon is black. its not like this is the first time u ever not happy with the outcome of a tournment, so why not just chillax and let it go.

and why r u talking about being top5 in tournments? so phuking what... whens the last time i enter a tournment, wut place did i come at last orbit tournment. do u see me telling other people about it? yes it does means shiet. big phuking whoop u worked ur shiet a$$ off to reach 5th. how many time u placed 5th? oh wait... even better question. how many times u placed lower than 5th? naboo quitted organize tournment. and even that im sure he has more knownledge of it than you do... now why dont u stop being a baby and be happy somebody held tournments for u to place under 5th? alright?

shaAAaAAaAaaAAaa!!!!
nagata lock ii : where r the pictures u took at orbit tournment.

[X-Sapphire]

ps2's > horsey plz
that's right

ZOE2 on ps2 plz. will play ppl for money in ZOE2. Jehuty bitches

[noodleman]

naked jehuty is fricken broken.

[KrassHole]

i havent post for a long a$$ time...
sup everyone...

ex matt... stop complaining...
you, i and most of the people know u love to complain everytime u lost in a tournment... its neither the stick, the button, the bracket, the time, your mom or its because darkdragon is black. its not like this is the first time u ever not happy with the outcome of a tournment, so why not just chillax and let it go.

and why r u talking about being top5 in tournments? so phuking what... whens the last time i enter a tournment, wut place did i come at last orbit tournment. do u see me telling other people about it? yes it does means shiet. big phuking whoop u worked ur shiet a$$ off to reach 5th. how many time u placed 5th? oh wait... even better question. how many times u placed lower than 5th? naboo quitted organize tournment. and even that im sure he has more knownledge of it than you do... now why dont u stop being a baby and be happy somebody held tournments for u to place under 5th? alright?

shaAAaAAaAaaAAaa!!!!
nagata lock ii : where r the pictures u took at orbit tournment.



If the english in this post wasn't so fucking terrible, I might actually bother responding to it in detail.

[dogberry]

fighting games on the 300 in 1 machine are pretty much unplayble unless they can fix the chopiness.

No Vampire Saviour or A3 at Orbit tournies I guess, doh.

At least side scrollers and beat-em-ups are still playable. Man, Final Fight and AVP are still too good.

[Angry Black]

cove guy can you find out if orbit is gonna get NEO GEO BATTLE COLISEUM

[X-Pac786]

@ York U cove, the stick on the 1p side (the far side closer to T5) doesn't work properly. The down-right position doesn't totally register so you can't block sometimes, and you can't do circular motions (like qcf).


The problem is I told the techs and they DON'T BELIEVE ME because when you run the diagnostic check with the 0's and 1's showing what works ... it seems fine to them but if they would put some credits and throw a fireball with Ryu then they'll see it won't work about 50% of the time ... they said "we'll get sticks from Orbit and fix it" which seemed like a leave me alone type of answer .... :sad:

[YellowS4]

300 in 1 plz. I could care less about the other games save for t5 and #r. Get another board, something, anything!

THe only fighting game thats unplayable on that shit is mk

[Crayz Penguin]

justin, show em the magic jacket of power :D

[VruS]

If the english in this post wasn't so fucking terrible, I might actually bother responding to it in detail.

oh shit he's mad :wow:

more 300 in 1 boards. Replace scII with another 3s. I hate waiting ;\

Any plans for an arcade in the west end? (please replace woodbine :sad: )

[Zero1]

Whats wrong with woodbine Vrus?

[King Of Naboo]

well, with the popular demand of small friday night tourneys (now to be called sfnt) :p i'll try my best to start asap... i'll jsut wait until this overflux of tourneys passes by.

Any idea when you gonna start these?

[Gaijinblaze]

Although the Fri. night tourneys idea sounds good, wouldn't it be unfair to people who go on Fridays to play casually, only to be kept off the machine because they didn't register?

[coveguy]

well, when i'm talking small tourneys.. i'm thinking like 2 bucks registration... i really doubt players would object to that
and if it does become a problem for some people, maybe i'll cut it to everyother weekend... since i would like to spend some time with my gf anyways :p

[Nagata Lock II]

CUPCAKES!

Anyway; 300 in 1? Reload? Hyper Street Fighter board switched to A3 board thanks to Kevin on 03/05? Battle Colliseum?

CUPCAKES!

[King Of Naboo]

Although the Fri. night tourneys idea sounds good, wouldn't it be unfair to people who go on Fridays to play casually, only to be kept off the machine because they didn't register?

Why do you have my name in ur sig?

[Gaijinblaze]

Because you said the quote. Well at least I think you did. Were you one of the guys running the 3S team tourney at T5?

Back the topic: If the Fri. tourneys thing is popular then yeah, go for it. All I know is that I wouldn't like to show up at Orbit and not be allowed to play anything on a day that the cade usually flourishes because I (and probably most other players) missed the registration.

[King Of Naboo]

Because you said the quote. Well at least I think you did. Were you one of the guys running the 3S team tourney at T5?

Back the topic: If the Fri. tourneys thing is popular then yeah, go for it. All I know is that I wouldn't like to show up at Orbit and not be allowed to play anything on a day that the cade usually flourishes because I (and probably most other players) missed the registration.

Yeah i was. Fri night tourneys should be fast. like max 1.5 hours. and it'll only be 1 or 2game, so all the other games would be free.

[bakchoi]

marvel is down at waterloo cove again.

EFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

i gotta play 3s now. double fireball motions for a super? wtf.

[Nagata Lock II]

Just a few points as it concerns friday weekly tournaments:

- I suggest cycling the tournament game (CvS2, MvC2, 3S, GGXX, AE and A3 when it's working) every week. Mutliple tournaments on a random Friday will get confusing, especially with so many options.

- No less than 8 people (what's the point if it's below 8?) and no more than 16 people (for time reasons) should be allowed to enter.

- CvS2 should be either Single Match and Double Elimination OR 2/3 Falls, Single Elimination (which I'd personally love to see)

- The 3/5 games (3S, GGXX, AE) should be switched to 2/3 for these tournaments.

- Event Mode is a must (again for time reasons)

- I suggest $2 entry fee with the winner taking the entire pot.

Thoughts, analysis, criticisms? It should be noted as I stipulated a few weeks back I won't have any business running these things but I will join the CvS2, AE and A3 tournaments for sure if it doesn't conflict with work.

[coveguy]

i like the idea of switching games every week... only that leaves me with no free firday nights...

busy friday nights@work = angry gf

and clay... learn the dbl fireball motion!

i'll let the techs know about mvc2 -_-

[bakchoi]

thanks marc. muah.

[YellowS4]

is a3 even in?

we need a tv. console tourny. madden, halo, sfex3, gt4

[X-Sapphire]

we need a tv. console tourny. halo, sfex3

fuck yes! :clap:

switching games every friday sounds awesome.

[g3nn]

The problem with rotating games is that there has to communication to let people know what tournament is when. You lose the crowd that doesnt read SRK and might show up at Orbit every friday because there's gonna be a tournament. And the people who refuse to join tournaments just to play casual don't bring nearly as much business to Orbit as the regulars who will of course join a $2 tourney.

And with a rotation of like 6 games, that means a tournament for a game every 4-6 weeks - which we're doing already! What's the point of small friday night tournies that happen less frequently than the big saturday tournies?

I think it's better for business and the community to have regular friday night tournies for all games. Small regular tournies will let scrubs get involved who are too scared to join the big tounries. To make sure everyone can play even if you arent there on time to register, just allow late registration, with penalties depending on how late: single elim, places against top seeds, reduced rounds, whatever.

[JS Master]

i actualy agree with g3nn dis time...

[DaFlipMastaXV]

The problem with tourneys every week is that they become stale after a while. After a couple months, there'll just be no turnout. It happened in Orbit, it happened in Sauga, it happens in other places. I mean at first it will be big, but after a while people won't come, ont he assumption that there's a tourney next week. Then the big tourneys get less turnouts, because the "scrubs" will always be joining the small tourneys.

Think about it, if you were a weak player, why would u spend $5 or $10 on a big tourney when u can spend like $1 a week? The big tourneys will no longer be big, and there'd be no point of having big tourneys.

I hope this made a little sense.

I suggest that you have 2-3 games every week. The big games are 3s and Tekken5 right now so maybe split them up. Split MvC2 and CvS2 also, and then AE and GGXX, so you'd have...

CvS2/3s/AE - Week 1
MvC2/T5/GGXX - Week 2
Week 1 games - Week 3
Monthly - Week 4

Or...

3s/MvC2 - Week 1
T5/GGXX - Week 2
CvS2/AE - Week 3
Monthly - Week 4

Something like that.

[noodleman]

i like teddy's idea of a couple of games per week.

if you tried to run a tourny for every game once a week, it's going to take too much time to finish (with all the match conflicts between games).

even though ppl might forget what tourny is going to run on week x, does it really matter? you show up and you thought it was 3s/ggxx and it's a3/ae instead, you'd probrably still join and play in tourny, and play the other games in causal matches.

plus tournies do tied up the machines for new players who want to play causal, and to an extend suck the fun out of playing wacky teams or trying stuff out.

I'd vote for 2-3 games a week for tourney.

[King Of Naboo]

I don't think they should be so formal all the time. Have them quick and easy, these arn't meant for rankings like big tourneys. These are so the Orbit staff can get used to running tourneys on their own and for the players to have fun, get to play a bunch of different people; instead of losing to the same top 2-3 people that get long streaks on the machines. Like say 12 3S players are there, have 3S. A bunch of GGXX players, have GGXX. Just switch it up enough so that the games arnt played all the time. That's my idea.

[WB!]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe a lot of Japanese arcades run it more or less like Teddy described with one or two tourneys every week, different games weekly. Seems to work for them alright.

How are you going to get directors for 6 tournaments every week anyways? Especially on Friday nights.

[King Of Naboo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe a lot of Japanese arcades run it more or less like Teddy described with one or two tourneys every week, different games weekly. Seems to work for them alright.

How are you going to get directors for 6 tournaments every week anyways? Especially on Friday nights.

Yeah, but you gotta do what works best for Orbit, not copy everything Japan does.

The staff at orbit is gonna run these tourneys.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Well what happens when one game gets lower turnouts than the rest?

What happens when 10 for every game shows up? Do u ahve a tourney for every game or do u choose one and disappoint the rest?

I didnt mean to copy japan, i just thought it would be the most fair way to do shit.

Some people are willing to travel on Friday nights and if they come a while away FOR the purpose of a tourney just to have the staff say that a diff game is holding the tourney tonight then I'd think that would suck. Of course, it's not a big deal to many people, but for some it might.

[King Of Naboo]

Well what happens when one game gets lower turnouts than the rest?

What happens when 10 for every game shows up? Do u ahve a tourney for every game or do u choose one and disappoint the rest?

I didnt mean to copy japan, i just thought it would be the most fair way to do shit.

Some people are willing to travel on Friday nights and if they come a while away FOR the purpose of a tourney just to have the staff say that a diff game is holding the tourney tonight then I'd think that would suck. Of course, it's not a big deal to many people, but for some it might.

these are suppose to be small friday night tourney for orbit regulars. I'm just saying you dont have to advertise them all a month in advance. If you're gonna travel from Sauga, then wait for the big tournaments that are advertised in advance.

The people that actually goto Orbit every Friday seem to be on the same wavelength. Like G3nn and JS. You guys from Sauga and whatever arn't there every friday, so you don't see how it is playing there. It's really boring playing 3S, you wait 5-7 games and then you pretty much play Marvin or Ben. There are guys that I've seen play 3S the past 5 weeks at Orbit and I've played them maybe once. Having a small tourney in the games where there are enough people would make things alot more interesting. I kinda see the same thing on Marvel, although g3nn could probably speak better about this.

[g3nn]

I kinda see the same thing on Marvel, although g3nn could probably speak better about this.
Yeah there are always like 10 guys standing around watching me and JS play. They're all pretty good and have the potential to get better, but dont want to play because they'll HAVE to play one of us and never get to push a button. Regular, relaxed, friday night tournies would get all those guys playing each other and trying to beat their friends atleast, instead of us.

Ryan is dead on. At 3S, you wait in line for 5 games (IF you pick the right side), and have to play someone ridiculously good and hardly learn a thing. That's why I dont even bother putting down a coin on 3S on friday or saturday night. I'd much rather have the chance to play a variety of people and see if I'm improving from week to week.

[YellowS4]

Seriously a tv or 2 at orbit. They used to have it at york, rocked ppl in doa and madden. I wouldn't mind taking my ps2 for fri. nights just so I can kill Nagata and Xsapphire

[X-Sapphire]

Can we seriously use that projector for something other than that horseshit??

for systems maybe?

did anyone seriously think they'd make money off the horse racing game?

it would satisfy me more to see that horse racing game out of orbit than to see #R in orbit.

[Nagata Lock II]

Actually Sapphire, that horse racing game has already paid itself off (aka it made 100K already) so you might want to re-think its drawing power.

In any case, after reading through all of this I think Ryan is right. This new weekly tournament isn't for the GTASF, it's for the ORBIT regulars and the random GTASF players who may or may not show up. It's obvious there's potential to be harnessed with such a repetitive group of players on Friday nights and this is the best route to go.

So what I suggest is a fusion of different ideas but keeping in mind that this is for the ORBIT regulars:

- Whatever games have the crowd by say... 8:00pm are the games that'll get tourney mode. That may mean 3S every week and CvS2 or GGXX once in a blue moon but if you have the people then you have it and if you don't you don't. It should be noted that I think my 8 min 16 max rule should still apply. As in if Sauga decides to drop in and they can pull in 8, they get their tournament plain and simple. If you don't have the crowd by a set time though, don't make a tournament. Like Marc brought up earlier, he doesn't want to stay there all night and it isn't fair to his employees to have to start up a tournament at 10 or 11 just because the crowd decided that was a good time to show up.

- $2 entry fee with winner taking all. The fee is a drop in the bucket considering how much these regular players will drop in a given Friday or Saturday night anyway and they're assured to actually play someone other than Jay/Marvin/Ben (at least for the first few rounds). I highly suggest not raising entry at any given point. The monthlies are a $5 charge and there are times you have to go into selling mode just to get people to sign up. Keep it small, draw the crowd.

- Let the staff run the tournaments. This isn't rocket science, you just show them how to call the matches and where winners/losers go in the bracket. As an aside though, it would be in everyone's best interest if someone in the know actually made the brackets for the first few weeks to ensure you don't have Marvin vs Ben 1st round.

- I think this should remain a word of mouth situation within the ORBIT environment. The monthlies should get the advertising to draw in people and the weeklies (if they do what they're supposed to) will promote stronger competition and bring in the players that may be too intimidated to deal with the monthlies beforehand. If ORBIT really feels the need to advertise, make it a notice on the wall or something near the front desk. The cabinet advertising should go to your monthlies.

[X-Sapphire]

Actually Sapphire, that horse racing game has already paid itself off (aka it made 100K already) so you might want to re-think its drawing power.

You've got to be kidding. The only interaction i ever see with that is when me and stephen head over there to make the ggxx brackets.

[noodleman]

- Let the staff run the tournaments. This isn't rocket science, you just show them how to call the matches and where winners/losers go in the bracket. As an aside though, it would be in everyone's best interest if someone in the know actually made the brackets for the first few weeks to ensure you don't have Marvin vs Ben 1st round.


yes, or else ppl *ahem* will complain about scammy brackets.

how about we merge justin and teddy's idea...if there's enough interest, run a tourny in with the "main" games, then add another fringe game, like AE, A3, CFE, whatever..so you have 2 tournys running. That way ppl may be more tempted to try the game out.

[VruS]

Why not run a random tournament with a cheap entry? Lets put that god damn 300 in 1 to use! (Once it's fixed)

[g3nn]

You've got to be kidding. The only interaction i ever see with that is when me and stephen head over there to make the ggxx brackets.
It USED to do well.. and it probably made its money back from when it was popular.

But it's dead now. I havent seen a single person playing it in like 3 months. That's a LOT of space to waste. Set up console, or atleast move the jitz tables over there.

[Nagata Lock II]

Marc; there's a new Mario Kart 4 player setup arcade game that was just announced (or released, I can't remember). BUY IT NOW! ADD IT TO T6!

[WB!]

Sorry to be another guy bugging about this Marc, but is there any update on the 300in1 yet?

We can get an A3 board for March 5th to switch with the HSF2 machine if necessary but I have to know as soon as possible. If the 300in1 is good to go, we don't need to bug Kevin to drop it off to me.

[Herny]

quick question, how's the scene in waterloo??

[YellowS4]

300in1 still isn't working. I mentioned a3 to Marc though, not sure whats going on w/that. But ahh, someone install a3 for UN!!

lol @ mk 4 player. too good

[DarkDragon]

ok this isn't about the cabs but it has been bothering me for a while now. Where the hell do the stools go? like at any given time at least 1 row and a half of cabs are missing stools. It used to because of friends pulling up stools and watching from the sides but lately its just become retarded..instead of waiting in line to play ppl r waiting for a damn seat. Please get more stools.

[JS Master]

tell those jitz players not to take the chairs! they tend to think it's a coathanger

[YellowS4]

Get the cpu leather chairs as replacements :0

a3 and r# plz

[Nagata Lock II]

I just wanted to give a big thanks to Marc and hew crew for keeping UN running smooth. Marc was quick to fix Hyper Street Fighter II and Marvel vs Capcom 2 and I'm sure he had other fixes as well. :pleased:

Marc; no speakers yet? :sad:

When are the buttons for KOF going to be changed to normal? :confused:

300 in 1 is still feeling the pain. Jay was lucky he didn't get crushed in A3. :tup:

REEEEEELOOOOOOAD! :badboy:

[WB!]

Heh, bugged Marc twice to get buttons fixed on AE. Thanks a lot man. Seriously, how do you put up with us freaks?

[coveguy]

np guys. thnx so much for coming you guys. it really helped me out, considering i told simon that we'd have a good turnout, and we did thanks ot you guys :D

anyways, with concerns to 300in1 ... -_- still in the works.

speakers, i'll try to check it out on either monday or thursday (b/c i have an accounting midterm on tuesday)
i'm going to try taking the speakers from the sport games (tennis and nba) and replace them with the current speakers in the fighting games.

[VruS]

tell those jitz players not to take the chairs! they tend to think it's a coathanger

just drop their coats and take it back.

[AneurysmX]

My friend brought this to my attention.. why is the Tennis game 2 tokens to play?

[coveguy]

all sports games (tennis, nba, and soccer) have been a buck a game for as long as i can remember... as to why.. well, i don't set the pricing, but i suppose the reason why the price has remained at that is b/c there isn't exactly a scene, therefore no one has complained
if no one complains, the price usually stays the same :p

[Nagata Lock II]

Marc; what's up with those speakers?

[MikeC]

Getting rid of stuff at the Waterloo Cove

Just wanted to let people know that if you want a CvS2 machine in your area just pester them to move it from the Waterloo Cove. No one plays it at all. Hell SvC gets more action than that thing.

[RXS]

CVS2 from waterloo was supposed to come to Mohawk.. i dunno what happened to that though..

RXS

[X-Pac786]

Getting rid of stuff at the Waterloo Cove

Just wanted to let people know that if you want a CvS2 machine in your area just pester them to move it from the Waterloo Cove. No one plays it at all. Hell SvC gets more action than that thing.


your CVS2 machine can come to York U cove, and you can take BOTH our KoF and SVC .... !!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Angel of Rage]

CVS2 from waterloo was supposed to come to Mohawk.. i dunno what happened to that though..

RXS


plz dunt take away my cvs2 machine. that the only game i can own ppl in at loo

[coveguy]

Marc; what's up with those speakers?
Totally my fault. I've been busy as hell with assignments / midterms... but I got great news! Next week is my reading week.. you know what that means? I'm in orbit for a WHOLE WEEK!. YAY! :clap:
...
seriously, sorry about that. i'll get on it sometime next week. like a sunday or monday night.

[g3nn]

Totally my fault. I've been busy as hell with assignments / midterms... but I got great news! Next week is my reading week.. you know what that means? I'm in orbit for a WHOLE WEEK!. YAY! :clap:
That means it's "Own up your scrubby Dudley week."

[coveguy]

psh
i know you LOVE my scrubby dudley g3nn
you just can't get enough of it :D

[coveguy]

Great news everyone. sound is not up on

3s / cvs2 / mvc2 (although i'm sure it was always working on mvc2)

many thanks goes out to simon, who figured out what was wrong with 3s. i spent 2 hrs inside that machine trying to figure out what was wrong, and he managed to figure it out in under 20 minutes

anyways, that aspect of the tourney is now looking good

*note* i'm still unable to get ggxx's sound going... but i got even better news for you. asuka (i think that's reload) is coming asap :D

[DarkDragon]

uhh i know ur trying and all but please don't tell me ur getting gg isuka and not gg#R? Cuz isuka is just a waste of money compared to #r

[YellowS4]

haha well now we can have team tournies

fuck, get #r AND isuka lol

[KrassHole]

how is isuka gonna run 4players on a jap cabinet. . . :confused:


That games garbage anyways

[b4k4]

Uh oh... Isuka?

Doh!

>.<

[Nagata Lock II]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: YOU GOT ISUKA INSTEAD OF RELOAD?! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[King Of Naboo]

is there a 300 - 1 type cab with 4 player games? like NBA JAM, wrestlefest, powerstone, etc. cuz that'd be kick ass.

[X-Sapphire]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: YOU GOT ISUKA INSTEAD OF RELOAD?! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

what did i tell u guys was gonna happen?

and I was thinking, how can the suppliers be out of #R cabinets, it's a recent game, isuka is the one that is shit so there should be less cabs of that...

[b4k4]

This is so tragic, but so funny, if it's true.

Tears of sadness and laughter.

[Angel of Rage]

as long as orbit marvel tourney give me double seeding, i willing to join in the tournment for fun.

[Nagata Lock II]

I think we need to bring this up now before all the complaining starts. It's obvious from the turnouts over the last few months more than ever that Estarburst needs to acquire a 2nd CvS2 cabinet that can be taken from one arcade to another for tournaments. If you want to take it from Waterloo or wherever else there's a board that doesn't get much use then please do so. If you need to buy another board, let the community know how much it costs. Personally I'd be willing to help pay for a board if it wasn't too much money and the community (who all agree we need another board) pitched a little. A little contribution from a lot of people adds up fast. The bottom line though is that we can't keep having single match losers (even though I like it) and tournaments that take 10 - 12 hours to finish. I encourage everyone to please make constructive posts so that we can come to an agreement on what the next step should be.

[RXS]

i'm down for Justins idea for a second board.. purchase it.. throw it in Mohawk Cove for regular days.. and for tourneys take it out to Orbit... so that we can FINALLY get our damn CVS2 machine

RXS

[b4k4]

I'd pitch like, $30 towards one.

[King Of Naboo]

Instead of pitching money, why not have fundraiser tournaments? Or use the money out of the KO memberships?

[VruS]

I live near estarburst hq. Is there by any chance if I was to walk in and purchase some sanwa sticks/buttons or maybe order some from them?

[noodleman]

2 cvs2 machines to run tournies would be AWESOME. these tournies are taking way too long to finish.

I'd also be interested in buying sanwa sticks/buttons as well.

[b4k4]

I live near estarburst hq. Is there by any chance if I was to walk in and purchase some sanwa sticks/buttons or maybe order some from them?
You can just walk in and by 'em. That's what I did for my new stick, that I'm building.

[Gaijinblaze]

Doesn't Starburst only have the basic JLF with no mounting plate? When I called the parts manager several months ago, he said that was the only one they carry. Anyone planning to mount that in wood is in for a rough task, if you even figure out a method to do it.

[RXS]

Hey B4K4

nice rounds to you in the first loser bracket round. I had to leave so you got my 13th ranked spot. Keep up the playing and get better man. Oh by the way.. your a bboy????

RXS

[b4k4]

Hey B4K4

nice rounds to you in the first loser bracket round. I had to leave so you got my 13th ranked spot. Keep up the playing and get better man. Oh by the way.. your a bboy????

RXS
Yeah, good games man. Justin's on the fly coaching = top tier :P. And yeah, I'm a bboy.

lol, next time I enter a tournament, I should actually learn the game I'm playing, before I play.

:S

[Angel of Rage]

Waterloo Cvs2 Is Gone!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where Did It Go?
=p

[RXS]

HAHAHA it's here in Hamilton's Mohawk Cove.. where people are going to play it to death. teach waterloo players to support their machines this will :P

RXS

[noodleman]

I live near estarburst hq. Is there by any chance if I was to walk in and purchase some sanwa sticks/buttons or maybe order some from them?

where is the estarburst hq? And marc, we can do that right? just walk in and buy some buttons/sticks?

[X-Sapphire]

Are the friday night small tournies happening or not? If so, 3S should be included every time.:karate:
And are there any updates for #R?

[b4k4]

You mean Isuka?

:S

[MikeC]

Waterloo Cvs2 Is Gone!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where Did It Go?
=p

Stinkers like you didn't put enough cash into it :P. Like I said, SvC gets more love thant your precious CvS2.

[Ex-S]

where is the estarburst hq? And marc, we can do that right? just walk in and buy some buttons/sticks?

Yeah, I second this. that'd be awesome if you sold sticks and buttons. :tup: Although the probability of that is pretty low :xeye:

[DarkDragon]

where is the estarburst hq? And marc, we can do that right? just walk in and buy some buttons/sticks?

Does te HQ repair broken sticks (Hori) as well?

[VruS]

it's somewhere down kipling south ... if you take 44 from kipling station, you'll come across from it on your left.

My fucking start button broke on my scII hori. Replaced button from my old shit dc stick using tape on the solder and crazyglue on the button. So ghetto.

well maybe if a lot of people want sticks/buttons I can go down an deliver to orbit ;]

[Ex-S]

well maybe if a lot of people want sticks/buttons I can go down an deliver to orbit ;]

Are you serious? I'd be interested for sure.... :wow: