Street Fighter Tiers

[tenchi03]

Can anyone describe the power of the Street Fighter tiers? Like in Darkstalkers a Class D being can destroy an entire army of elite guards and Class A can destroy a planet. Can Tier 2 take out an army?

[Daemos]

I imagine the only ones capable of destroying planets are Gill, SF3 Akuma and maybe SFA3 Shin Bison.

[FurryCurry]

I imagine the only ones capable of destroying planets are Gill, SF3 Akuma and maybe SFA3 Shin Bison.

And Oro. I'd say a Shin SF3 Akuma. While he did destroy the sunken tanker/ocean liner I'm sure it still took a lot of concentration.

For all of these super baddies (and it's Psycho Bison, and I'm sure he could) I think it would take a lot of concentration. I mean hours upon hours of concentration to destroy the whole world. I'm sure there is like some mad chi barrier (just to make it a little less easy) that prevents someone from destroying the world with the flick of a wrist.

[Sano]

I imagine the only ones capable of destroying planets are Gill, SF3 Akuma and maybe SFA3 Shin Bison.

None of these guys can destroy a planet.

Gouki can destroy a mountain, an island and a ship. That's the extent of his powers. If you think otherwise, that's speculation without proof until you see him destroy a planet. Or at least a continent for that matter.

If Vega(Cape) could destroy a planet, he wouldn't need that big robot in Thailand to send a beam up to a satellite to destroy one city.

Gill's never destroyed anything. Same for Oro.

Darkstalkers are way beyond Street Fighters. Some SFers can defeat an entire army like Class D. Please note that Class D Darkstalkers are those that are to weak to be featured in the games. Think of those useless demons killed by Donovan, Lin Lin and Lei Lei in the Anime.

[Psycho Power J]

Darkstalkers are way beyond Street Fighters. Some SFers can defeat an entire army like Class D. Please note that Class D Darkstalkers are those that are to weak to be featured in the games. Think of those useless demons killed by Donovan, Lin Lin and Lei Lei in the Anime.I believe those are Class C. They're generally no stronger than your average person. Class D are the beasts of Makai, but they're not necessarily weak. The armor of Bishamon is Class D, but its power level is Class B+. Even among Darkstalkers, there's only few that can destroy a planet as in completely blow it up. Berial Aensland is one and he's S+. He can kill Jedah with one shot. I suppose Pyron in his true form can destroy a planet too.
Can anyone describe the power of the Street Fighter tiers? Like in Darkstalkers a Class D being can destroy an entire army of elite guards and Class A can destroy a planet. Can Tier 2 take out an army?Classes:

1) Class S
They have the ability to rule Makai. The three high noble's of Makai
Belial Aensland
Galnan Voshtal
Jedah Dohma
Belial is classified as a S+ class and he is far stronger than the other two. Morrigan was also born as an S class darkstalker

2) Class A
These are mainly the masters of the noble families of Makai.
They are called the 7 nobles of Makai and are always observing the movements of the three high nobles.

Lepe family
present master: Persimmon de Lepe (male)
The Lord of the land that surrounds the volcano Gilala Gila. He is one of the oldest families next to the Aensland family.

Maximoff family
present master: Demitri Maximoff (male)
A young ambitious noble who challenged Belial Aensland. He lost the battle and was banished to the human world. He revived himself after 100 years.

Hartland family
present master: Gregorio Hartland (male)
He is the most handsome noble of Makai. He is served by women and leads a life of joy and pleasure. Mejina is his female officer and an absolute servant.

Kreutz family
present master: Xell Kreutz (male)
He is a violent master whose family is opposed to the Hartland family. His appearance is the least human looking.(A dragon with wings)

Drey family
present master: Taurus Drey (male?)
A collector in Makai, he has various items in collection. Hannya and Kien were formerly in his possession.

Gilman family
present master: Sierra do Gilam (female)
A philosopher of Makai, she wrote many books like, "The beginning of darkness", "Me and Makai", etc. She speaks 78 languages and is able to use 1,400 spells.

Funechika family
present master: Ed Funechika (male)
The current master of a group of martial artists. He is the holder of the 666th level in Makenpo. They hold so much respect for the mind that he lacks actual battle skills.

*Emperor Ozom is ranked as a A+ class as well.

SF Tier 1 is either S or A+. Tier 2 is Class A or A-.

3) Class B+
They have special abilities and are stronger than the average citizen of Makai. They are the warriors of Makai. These people would be called the Darkstalkers. There are roughly 10,000 Makai warriors.

*Most of the characters in the game are of this class

Tier 3-5 goes here.

4) Class B
Compared to the B+ class, they lack special abilities and powers. Most of the residents of Makai are of this class. Roughly 6 million citizens of this class live in Makai.

Tier 6 goes here. Tiers 7 & 8 are B-.

5) Class C
The slave class of Makai. They are the livestock and servants for the higher classes. Without them, the economy of Makai wouldn't hold. Humans who wander into Makai by accident are classified in this class. There are roughly 120 million.

Tier 9 & 10 goes here, probably C+ since they can at least fight.

6) Class D
The inferior beasts of Makai. This class points to all creatures in Makai who physically do not look anything human. Although inferior, some beasts can understand language and can form their own society. There are also beasts who are stronger than those of a B Class. There have been roughly 2,000 beasts who are of B+ class confirmed. Hannya and Kien are also of the B+ class. The total number of beasts in Makai is said to be higher than 30 billion.

Blanka and Twelve could also go here, even though they're more powerful than Class C.

[Sano]

[QUOTE=Psycho Power J]I believe those are Class C. They're generally no stronger than your average person. Class D are the beasts of Makai, but they're not necessarily weak. The armor of Bishamon is Class D, but its power level is Class B+. Even among Darkstalkers, there's only few that can destroy a planet as in completely blow it up. Berial Aensland is one and he's S+. He can kill Jedah with one shot. I suppose Pyron in his true form can destroy a planet too.
[I]Classes:

Gosh darnit, this is the second time I got that wrong here, DOH!

But I still say you are giving the Street Fighters way too much credit.

The person who translated those Darkstalker classes for the DS Plot Guide and wrote the guide, Saiki, will straight up tell you all of the Darkstalkers are way more powerful than SF characters. It's something he always says. No one on the net knows more about DS/SF than he does. He's hard to track down, but if you see him posting on Gamefaqs you could ask him.

Here's a quote from Ken Siu-Chong in a recent Play Magazine Interview when asked about a SF/DS/RS crossover. As you may know, while Studio Udon does change things they get their storylines straight from Capcom of Japan.

"I mean, some of the weakest Darkstalkers characters would probably kick the ass of most of the powerful SF characters! It would make for some pretty quick fights!"

To paraphrase an old Kataklysmic quote, Leave DS to GG and SS, and leave SF to RS, KOF, FF and AOF.

[Sano]

Here's a thread you can read where we discussed this in detail, since this is about the fourth or fifth time we've been over this... ^_^;

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78395&page=1

[Apathy-Inc]

Has anyone posted the GGX2 tiers? Story wise, that is. I have an idea, but I'm not turning up any results on the web.

[OrangeCat]

Has anyone posted the GGX2 tiers? Story wise, that is. I have an idea, but I'm not turning up any results on the web.

Not necessarily teirs, but the storyline.

http://thegearproject.org/projects/plotfaq.html#faq

I think that Basically it'll be Sol as the most powerful because of him having the Jinki, and having killed Justice. From therein I imagine that it would be the gears of Justice, Dizzy and Testament followed by those who posess the Jinki (Ky and Anji) and then the rest. However it has been debated that "Raven" is more powerful from the following quote

Whatever he is, he seems to be immensely powerful; Sol attempts to burn him in the Lightning the Argent novel, yet he simply shrugs it off and regenerates his skin. He is also able to go toe-to-toe with Faust in an extradimensional battle easily. (GGXX, LA)

Dunno if that falls into GGX2 categories though.

OC

[Apathy-Inc]

Yeah, that was the first site I checked.
The main site seems to be down, though. So I can't check their forums.
I didn't know how to rate Raven or That Man because there's really almost nothing on them in the games.

I figured Sol would be near the top or at the top, since he killed Justice and beat Dizzy.
I'd gathered that Slayer and I-No are right up there with Sol, due to in game story.

I just said GGX2 because that's the most recent game.(storywise)

[Psycho Power J]

Gosh darnit, this is the second time I got that wrong here, DOH!

But I still say you are giving the Street Fighters way too much credit.

The person who translated those Darkstalker classes for the DS Plot Guide and wrote the guide, Saiki, will straight up tell you all of the Darkstalkers are way more powerful than SF characters. It's something he always says. No one on the net knows more about DS/SF than he does. He's hard to track down, but if you see him posting on Gamefaqs you could ask him.

Here's a quote from Ken Siu-Chong in a recent Play Magazine Interview when asked about a SF/DS/RS crossover. As you may know, while Studio Udon does change things they get their storylines straight from Capcom of Japan.

"I mean, some of the weakest Darkstalkers characters would probably kick the ass of most of the powerful SF characters! It would make for some pretty quick fights!"

To paraphrase an old Kataklysmic quote, Leave DS to GG and SS, and leave SF to RS, KOF, FF and AOF.I suppose you can move some of the SF tiers down a bit, but I don't think I'm too far off. I mean some of the SF characters like Twelve could be classified as a Darkstalker and he's Tier 4. Urien has a steel body and he's Tier 3. Those two alone can give Darkstalkers like Felicia and Victor a good fight. Hell, B.B.Hood is mostly human (except for her Dark soul) and she relies on conventional weapons like guns most of the time. Ryu could most likely beat her.

Akuma can sink an island and split a mountain! Not even those with B+ power level like Bishamon can conceivably do that. Sasquatch can freeze you sure, but Gill can both freeze AND burn you, if not disintegrate you with Seraphic Wing. He can also revive himself on top of that. Those in Tier 1 qualify for no less than Class A.

[danktrees]

Here's a quote from Ken Siu-Chong in a recent Play Magazine Interview when asked about a SF/DS/RS crossover. As you may know, while Studio Udon does change things they get their storylines straight from Capcom of Japan.

"I mean, some of the weakest Darkstalkers characters would probably kick the ass of most of the powerful SF characters! It would make for some pretty quick fights!"

To paraphrase an old Kataklysmic quote, Leave DS to GG and SS, and leave SF to RS, KOF, FF and AOF.

well unless he directly states which sf characters he had in mind it's hard to know which he was referring to. i mean, ryu is one of the most power sf characters and so is sagat. so he could be referring to those guys and not akuma, gill, oro or bison. and if he were referring to ryu or sagat, there is a huge gap between their abilities and the 4 guys i just mentioned. obviously, and i'm not trying to deny this, ds characters are stronger than sf characters. but the best characters in sf could probably give some darkstalkers (i dont mean characters like demitri or pyron) a run for their money. and about akuma, most of the times in the games it only reveals his abilities as akuma and not shin akuma. like when he destroys that boat and ayers rock or whatever that is only akuma doing it and not shin akuma. notice his hair is still red instead of silver. so it's harder to gauge shin akuma's abilities compared to ds characters since all we know is that he gets a lot stronger. i could be wrong about this but i dont recall his hair turning colour in those endings which leads me to think that he would be stronger than what those endings show.

[Sano]

Darn Anime making everyone think Felicia's a wimp... She's a Darkstalker. Burn her, she's burned for a frame, she's back(But I guess you can say this about SF characters and every other Anime character.) Freeze her at subzero temperatures like Sasquatch can, she survives. Human Beings would die from this. Cut her in half, she gets better. It's almost like comparing the defensive abilities of Elmur Fudd and Superman. While Darkstalker's story is serious, they rely on cartoon rules more than SF does. When you play the games you'll see it all over the place.

As for Bulleta using conventional weapons, she can cry the spirit of her grandma. She can hold giants in a blanket. Her Basket can hide anything. She's a bit more than Magnum P.I. there.

As far as your tiers, starting Tier 1 at B, MAYBE. Starting Tier one at Class C, better. But put don't put Sfers at S or A.

[Psycho Power J]

Darn Anime making everyone think Felicia's a wimp... She's a Darkstalker. Burn her, she's burned for a frame, she's back(But I guess you can say this about SF characters and every other Anime character.) Freeze her at subzero temperatures like Sasquatch can, she survives. Human Beings would die from this. Cut her in half, she gets better. It's almost like comparing the defensive abilities of Elmur Fudd and Superman. While Darkstalker's story is serious, they rely on cartoon rules more than SF does. When you play the games you'll see it all over the place.

As for Bulleta using conventional weapons, she can cry the spirit of her grandma. She can hold giants in a blanket. Her Basket can hide anything. She's a bit more than Magnum P.I. there.

As far as your tiers, starting Tier 1 at B, MAYBE. Starting Tier one at Class C, better. But put don't put Sfers at S or A.You're not seriously judging the Darkstalkers by their comedic in-game performances, are you? I mean, think about it, can you seriously judge the storyline capabilities of the SFers in comparison to each other by their gameplay tiering? Felicia is just a catgirl whose most impressive power is her ability to change from cat form to her antromorphic form. Nothing in the storylines indicate she can actually pull herself back together if she gets sliced in half.

[Sano]

You're not seriously judging the Darkstalkers by their comedic in-game performances, are you? I mean, think about it, can you seriously judge the storyline capabilities of the SFers in comparison to each other by their gameplay tiering? Felicia is just a catgirl whose most impressive power is her ability to change from cat form to her antromorphic form. Nothing in the storylines indicate she can actually pull herself back together if she gets sliced in half.

But where do you draw the line? If you throw out what Felicia can do comedically, do you keep Midnight Blisses or get rid of those too? Do you ignore all the stuff Bulleta can do just because it makes no sense? I'm not sure what you are supposed to keep or throw in, but SF and DSers work differently, you can't really match them up or compare. SF is based on the theory that if you dedicate yourself to training you can do amazing things. DS is about what you were born as, what you can do. It's two different universes. You can reject Felicia getting chopped in half if you wish, but surviving sub zero temperatures and surviving being burned alive are things you kind of have to accept otherwise she'd be loooong dead. Heck, even in the Anime she survived being set on fire. Human Beings can not hang. Gods > Aliens > Monsters > 'Gifted Martial Artists' > Human Beings. Okay?

[Psycho Power J]

But where do you draw the line? If you throw out what Felicia can do comedically, do you keep Midnight Blisses or get rid of those too? I'm not sure what you are supposed to keep or throw in, but SF and DSers work differently, you can't really match them up or compare. SF is based on the theory that if you dedicate yourself to training you can do amazing things. DS is about what you were born as, what you can do. It's two different universes. You can reject Felicia getting chopped in half if you wish, but surviving sub zero temperatures and surviving being burned alive are things you kind of have to accept otherwise she'd be loooong dead. Heck, even in the Anime she survived being set on fire. Human Beings can not hang. Gods > Aliens > Monsters > 'Gifted Martial Artists' > Human Beings. Okay?Following that logic, you could say that everyone in the SF world is just as flameproof and powerful. Just watch them get up after they are immolated by Dhalsim's flames. They take apart automobiles and flaming barrels for fun. They get sliced up by Vega and pierced by Ibuki's kunai, and then both from Twelve, and they STILL get back up for more. Do you see how silly it starts to get? We can only get so much from the game itself (what abilities they have and so on), but things like getting turned into tabletop accessories if they're finished by Bishamon's EX pursuit should be taken with a grain of salt. The most reliable way of comparing them is through their storyline power levels.

Interesting note: if you defeat Felicia with a move that cuts her apart like Lilith's grab, she stays cut in half. That holds true for all the Darkstalkers.

[Sagatryu]

put the Sfer's in Class S or A is just insane since they have to take on star destorying beings like Pyron. that's like putting Carnage on Galactus's level.


Morrgain's Father is at lest on the same level as Lucifer Morningstar while the other Class S Darkstalkers are around the level of high-end cosmic entities such as Galactus and Anti-Monitor.

Class A Darkstalkers are at lest around Pre-Crisis Superman or Pre-Crisis Darkseid

Here's a link about just how cold Russia gets during the winter time.

http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-ed/hillf/20040130.htm

[Sano]

Following that logic, you could say that everyone in the SF world is just as flameproof and powerful. Just watch them get up after they are immolated by Dhalsim's flames. They take apart automobiles and flaming barrels for fun. They get sliced up by Vega and pierced by Ibuki's kunai, and then both from Twelve, and they STILL get back up for more. Do you see how silly it starts to get? We can only get so much from the game itself (what abilities they have and so on), but things like getting turned into tabletop accessories if they're finished by Bishamon's EX pursuit should be taken with a grain of salt. The most reliable way of comparing them is through their storyline power levels.

Interesting note: if you defeat Felicia with a move that cuts her apart like Lilith's grab, she stays cut in half. That holds true for all the Darkstalkers.

Lots of great points there.

Your Interesting note - And yet most of the DSers return in every game. It's the equivalent of Mortal Kombat's Fatalities were almost everyone comes back in a sequel. Doesn't happen. Unless the DSers put themselves back together, but then we're back to the begining.

SFers are human beings. There's a certain amount of logic that goes with being a human being. Darkstalkers/Monsters, the same logic can't be applied. I'm sure the WB never sat down and wrote Wile E. Coyote can not be killed by ten tons of dynamite in his official bio but guess what? Capcom's not taking there strengths/weaknesses as seriously as you are, and why would they? It's not like they'll ever allow SFers and DSers to officially fight in a canon game or anything.

Most of this just makes for a fun debate of sorts, differences of opinion and what not. The bottom line is don't put SFers in Class S or A, and thanks Sagatryu for lending a hand.

[Sagatryu]

according to that site I just posted Zangief can survived in temperatures around -58F/-50C to -90F/-68C with just his bareskin.

oh by the way Sano you must remember that Sub Zero temperatures range from 1 below zero to 272 below zero.

absolute zero is -459F / -273C

[Psycho Power J]

put the Sfer's in Class S or A is just insane since they have to take on star destorying beings like Pyron. that's like putting Carnage on Galactus's level.


Morrgain's Father is at least on the same level as Lucifer Morningstar while the other Class S Darkstalkers are around the level of high-end cosmic entities such as Galactus and Anti-Monitor.

Class A Darkstalkers are at lest around Pre-Crisis Superman or Pre-Crisis Darkseid

Here's a link about just how cold Russia gets during the winter time.

http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-ed/hillf/20040130.htmPyron's power level is kinda hard to gauge. We know it's up there since he can destroy planets, but he did lose to Demitri, who's Class A. Demitri can't even project his aura that protects him from sunlight unless his power is at 80%. The theory is that the form that Demitri defeated is a weaker humanoid form (about Class A or A+) that Pyron took when he became overconfident. This is a conjecture from his background. If we're talking the Class S+ uber-cosmic form, then no, none of the SFers is on that level that I can agree. But it is feasible that the Tier 1 SFers can be at Class A.

Berial is classified as S+ since he's special, and equivalent to a few hundred Class A. He's the only one that can be considered on the level of cosmic beings. Pre-Crisis Superman is S+. Same goes for Galactus and Anti-Monitor, if they're not completely off the charts. Other Class S like Jedah don't appear to be on the level of Galactus, but maybe Silver Surfer.

Lots of great points there.

Your Interesting note - And yet most of the DSers return in every game. It's the equivalent of Mortal Kombat's Fatalities were almost everyone comes back in a sequel. Doesn't happen. Unless the DSers put themselves back together, but then we're back to the begining.

SFers are human beings. There's a certain amount of logic that goes with being a human being. Darkstalkers/Monsters, the same logic can't be applied. I'm sure the WB never sat down and wrote Wile E. Coyote can not be killed by ten tons of dynamite in his official bio but guess what? Capcom's not taking there strengths/weaknesses as seriously as you are, and why would they? It's not like they'll ever allow SFers and DSers to officially fight in a canon game or anything.

Most of this just makes for a fun debate of sorts, differences of opinion and what not. The bottom line is don't put SFers in Class S or A, and thanks Sagatryu for lending a hand.But again, those are just gameplay features. Surely you can see why it's not very accurate to gauge storyline power levels by the game alone.

Sure, Capcom doesn't think much about the strengths/weakness of the DS characters, but they are based off your typical monsters. J.Talbain is based off werewolves, so his power is probably around that level. He'll likely be able to just shrug off bullets and the like, but I haven't seen a werewolf that could withstand getting burned to ashes or otherwise disintegrated. I'd put someone like Gill over him. Also, there's no indication in the game or otherwise about his capability of protecting his soul from the Shungokusatsu, so Akuma could likely beat him too.

As for SFers being just human beings, I think it's quite obvious that for the most powerful, they're not just that at all. The Tier 1 have gone far beyond human limits. Hell, Twelve is not human at all, period.

And as for why debate, hey, this is SRK. It's what we do for amusement. I'm finding this too interesting to just let it stop at only page 2. :party:
according to that site I just posted Zangief can survived in temperatures around -58F/-50C to -90F/-68C with just his bareskin.

oh by the way Sano you must remember that Sub Zero temperatures range from 1 below zero to 272 below zero.

absolute zero is -459F / -273CWas wondering about why you posted that.

[Sano]

Yeah, I actually enjoy these debates. It's funny how sometimes I get into these debates and people think I'm angry or something when discussions like this I actually find fun. Of course when people start to insult me, I kind of just laugh to myself. Most of this is opinion vs. opinion anyway.

Don't know if Gallon(Talbain) has the same weaknesses as Werewolves we believe in. For the most part, the DSers are immume to whatever weaknesses they have in other mythologies. The best example is of course Demitri. Stakes, Crucifixes, Sunlight, Holy Water, so on and so on, no effect. Victor's never shown fear of fire like Movie Frankenstein (book Frankenstein's different), Zabel(Raptor) neither and he's not a slow Resident Evil/Night of the Living Dead Zombie.

Gouki vs. anyone in DS - Would his Shun Goku Satsu even work? Would demons from Hell attack... demons from Hell? I don't think that would do much. He better not even try it and try his blowing up a mountain move. But him not being armed with this knowledge, doesn't seem healthy.

As far as Gill, I don't think he has anything the DSers could not survive like I pointed out. Even against someone as Gallon and Felicia, I find him at a disadvantage because they have claws for hands. Having claws for hands and being able to naturally sratch someone as we would slap one is a big advantage. Gill could heal, sure. But I'm not sure if he can heal a lost limb or not. But to bend a bit, Gill 'might' beat Felicia (still doubt it. Felicia cheats, her cat friends will jump you.) But Gallon - Werewolf + Martial Artist, not to mention those fangs and his huge wolf ki blast, don't think so. Just my opinion and all.

Twelve's not 100% human, true. But he's not a monster. I don't think we have enough info on Twelve to gauge anything. Like, we don't even know who he's defeated for the most part. I have no idea what the hell he did in SF3. If he fought Necro, Necro must of either won the fight or got away since he's still on the loose, or maybe they never even fought so Twelve did... absolutely nothing except start to become sentient as his ending implies?

[Sagatryu]

Sonic boom might be around 58F/-50C to -90F/-68C

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/bobalien99/sun.htm

http://reslab.com.au/resfiles/sun/text.html


Steel starts to melt at 1450 ºC

a 1,750lbs pound bear can hit for 5,250 pounds of pressure per square inch oh and bears don't punch they slap.



plus they have claws.


a wolf's bite force is 1,500 pounds of pressure per square inch

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So it matters how much pounds of pressure per square inch Gallon or Felicia can put in a bite or a slap.

[Wolfkiller]

Where do the CFE endings come into play? Can we consider them semi-canon? We have Ryu vs. the wolf guy (sorry, I'm not up on my DS info...gimme some time!) and Shin Akuma practically flying up to jack a meteor. Where is Mr. Udon at? Were they drawn to be "joke" endings or a taste of things to come kinda endings?

[Apathy-Inc]

NONE OF THE "DREAM MATCH" GAMES ARE CANON. :mad: :mad:

Ryu has never fought Talbain(the wolf guy) or been asked to join the X-Men/Avengers.
Wolverine never squared off against Akuma.
Bison never fought Gill.
Etc etc etc...

This makes the eleventy billionth time it's been stated.

[Higher-Jin]

Do any of you guys think Sagat is fond of "Eye of the Tiger"?

now there's a tough question

[EndLeSS8]

you guys are all ranting about how strong Balrog/M.Bison is, and how "weak" Alex is.... that's complete bullshit. Alex is stronger than Balrog/M.Bison, and should be shown in the tiers. Alex KOed him in a UFC style match, and it IS partially canon.

If you don't believe me, check here:
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/?page=flyerdb&subpage=flyer&id=3558&image=1

[Sagatryu]

Well you should talk Tiamatroar about the Balrog vs. Alex thing since he stll rates Balrog higher than Alex in his plot guide.

[Sano]

you guys are all ranting about how strong Balrog/M.Bison is, and how "weak" Alex is.... that's complete bullshit. Alex is stronger than Balrog/M.Bison, and should be shown in the tiers. Alex KOed him in a UFC style match, and it IS partially canon.

If you don't believe me, check here:
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/?page=flyerdb&subpage=flyer&id=3558&image=1

The flyer comes with a story, the fight was very close. You don't see that in the art. Close enough not to upset Saiki's tiers. You can't tell how close the fight was from the art though sadly. It's Mike Bison. He's always depicted as being a punk *COUGH* *COUGH* RACISM. And yes, it's 'semi canon.' Unless you think Ken cheats on his wife because in that story for the flyer married Ken is trying to bed another woman. Not too nention some of the goofy names in that story.

Alex is only one tier lower than Mike Bison in the SF Plot Guide's unofficial tiers. Given he's one of those 'yet to unlock his full potential' types, he could get a close win against Mike Bison, and that's what he did. Too bad the art makes it look like he beat the guy without breaking a sweat. I did suggest moving Alex up a notch in the tiers, but I also don't agree with Twelve being that high or the fact that Remy isn't on the list at all! But some of it's subjective, most of it is pretty obvious like Gouki, Gill and Oro being at the top. It's actually a lot easier to tier SF Characters within reason than many other fighting games.

Speaking of which, here's an attempt to list the most powerful in Guilty Gear. I'm no GG expert but here's how I THIIIINK it goes.

TIER 1 - The Man. He pretty much owns everybody. Don't know about Raven, possibly here too.

TIER 2 - Sol Badguy - Very obvious he owns all the game characters. He doesn't even fight at full strength and kicks everybody's Ass. In one of his Midnight Carnival endings, he lost to The Man.

TIER 3 - Ky Kiske, I-No. Ky - The rival is one lower than the main character. I-No, not sure, she may be above Ky Kiske, but I'll place them together.

TIER 4 - Dizzy. Defeated by both Sol and Ky."Who's on my side? SOL AND KY!" Sorry, listening to the GG NY Vocal Album too much...

TIER 5 - Justice. The boss of the next game is typically stronger than the boss of the last game. Prolly some other GGers go here too...

And after this it gets really haizy... But I don't claim this list to be 100% correct anyways.

[Sagatryu]

I think that alex might be on the same tier as Balrog I have to double check the Tier list.

Tier 5 Adon, Guy, Sakura, Cody, Balrog, Cammy, Zangief, Dhalsim, T Hawk, Alex

Ok I just double check the Tier list and Alex is on the same tier as Balrog. Oh by the way the Alex vs. Balrog fight made me think of the Rocky and Ivan Drago fight in Rocky IV.

Alex = Rocky

Balrog = Ivan Drago

[Dasrik]

TIER 1 - The Man. He pretty much owns everybody. Don't know about Raven, possibly here too.It's hard to tier Ano Otoko since he never really fights. The few times we see him do anything aggressive on his own, it amounts to bitch-slapping I-No and/or Baiken. Personally, I would not include him in a tiering, because while it's not denied that he's powerful, his role in the series is really creating the Gears and orchestrating the Holy War, and not fighting.

:)

Here is how I would tier it.

TIER 1. Sol Badguy, I-No, Dizzy
TIER 2. Justice, Slayer, Raven, Ky Kiske
TIER 3. Solaria, Kliff Undersn, Testament, Faust
TIER 4. Anji-Mito, Baiken, May
TIER 5. Chipp Zanuff, Jam Kuradoberi, Potemkin, Robo-Ky
...and then everyone else is not really worth breaking down.

Tier 1. I don't think it can really be argued that these are the three most powerful people in the GG universe. Sol is so powerful he doesn't even have to put up his guard when he fights. I-No travels through time basically because she feels like it. Dizzy can do Gamma Ray at age 3, who knows what she'll be doing when she's older?

Tier 2. Justice started not one, but two holy wars, and had to be sealed away before she was finally killed by Sol. (She's also Dizzy's mommy.) Slayer is a vampire who can do more damage with his fists than most people can do with their swords. Raven is one of Ano Otoko's lieutenants so he's gotta be tough, and it's hinted that he can time-hop like I-No; but his fighting power isn't clear. Ky can wield the Thunderseal which is no small feat, and he was elected the head of the Holy Order.

Tier 3. Solaria can do a lot of things that are out of her range of experience - strong for no reason. (Hopefully we can see her in a game sometime...) Kliff can hold the Dragon Sword even at an old age, so he's nothing to sneeze at. Testament can summon all kinds of creepy things, plus he's a Gear. And Faust... well... he's Faust!

Tier 4. Since it's a GG rule that Japanese people are a notch above the rest, these are foregone conclusions.

Tier 5. People that became strong out of force of will and either natural-born talent with ki/magic (Jam, Chipp), physical power (Potemkin) or a really snazzy robotic endoskeleton (Robo-Ky). It should be noted that Robo-Ky getting a will of his own makes him a lot more dangerous than your average robotic clone.

The others, while important in the storyline, are unremarkable in strength compared to the ones just listed. (Either that, or they're Ano Otoko, who is one big wildcard.)

[Psycho Power J]

Yeah, I actually enjoy these debates. It's funny how sometimes I get into these debates and people think I'm angry or something when discussions like this I actually find fun. Of course when people start to insult me, I kind of just laugh to myself. Most of this is opinion vs. opinion anyway.

Don't know if Gallon(Talbain) has the same weaknesses as Werewolves we believe in. For the most part, the DSers are immume to whatever weaknesses they have in other mythologies. The best example is of course Demitri. Stakes, Crucifixes, Sunlight, Holy Water, so on and so on, no effect. Victor's never shown fear of fire like Movie Frankenstein (book Frankenstein's different), Zabel(Raptor) neither and he's not a slow Resident Evil/Night of the Living Dead Zombie.

Gouki vs. anyone in DS - Would his Shun Goku Satsu even work? Would demons from Hell attack... demons from Hell? I don't think that would do much. He better not even try it and try his blowing up a mountain move. But him not being armed with this knowledge, doesn't seem healthy.

As far as Gill, I don't think he has anything the DSers could not survive like I pointed out. Even against someone as Gallon and Felicia, I find him at a disadvantage because they have claws for hands. Having claws for hands and being able to naturally sratch someone as we would slap one is a big advantage. Gill could heal, sure. But I'm not sure if he can heal a lost limb or not. But to bend a bit, Gill 'might' beat Felicia (still doubt it. Felicia cheats, her cat friends will jump you.) But Gallon - Werewolf + Martial Artist, not to mention those fangs and his huge wolf ki blast, don't think so. Just my opinion and all.

Twelve's not 100% human, true. But he's not a monster. I don't think we have enough info on Twelve to gauge anything. Like, we don't even know who he's defeated for the most part. I have no idea what the hell he did in SF3. If he fought Necro, Necro must of either won the fight or got away since he's still on the loose, or maybe they never even fought so Twelve did... absolutely nothing except start to become sentient as his ending implies?Demitri doesn't have most of the weaknesses that vampires (stuff like weaknesses to garlic and crosses tends to be ignored a lot in vampire stories like in Blade), but he's most definitely affected by sunlight (trademark weakness of vampires). He has that aura of his, but he needs to be at least 80% to maintain it. As for everyone else's weakness, it's hard to gauge from the game alone. No one actually tried to shoot J.Talbain with a silver bullet. Frankenstein knows that fire burns so he has some fear of it, but no more than most people so that doesn't really count as a weakness.

For the most part, I think any DS that's not either undead or a demon would be vulnerable to the Shungokusatsu. Hannya and Kien won't be affected, but I'm sure that Oboro can be. Other than the physical advantages of being a werewolf, J.Talbain really doesn't have anything to protect against it. Same goes for Felicia. Sasquatch and Rikuo would probably be vulnerable to it too. B.B.Hood has that Dark soul, so who knows how that will affect her. Ditto for Donovan. Huitzil is a robot and doesn't have a soul. Pyron, no idea how the Shungokusatsu will affect an alien like that.

Felicia has claws to Gill's fire and ice. I don't think Gill's the one at a disadvantage here. Felicia should be the one who should beware of being disintegrated. Urien who's a tier lower could easily handle her since I'd doubt those claws would do much against his iron body. J.Talbain is something else. He'd make for an interesting fight. Teamwork doesn't count in the power tiering, otherwise Dan hired by the CIA and armed with a nuke would be up there. :rofl:

I'd consider Twelve a monster, since it's a dangerous inhuman creature. He can form weaponry from his body and could pass off as a movie monster. I think we can safely assume that he can fight against Darkstalker characters.

I think we can start gauging the Darkstalkers actual powers by throwing out the gameplay-engine-specific features like their ability to pull themselves together after being sliced, burned, or frozen. That way we can start to figure out how resilient they really are if they suffer those.
a 1,750lbs pound bear can hit for 5,250 pounds of pressure per square inch oh and bears don't punch they slap.Ouch. Didn't know bears can hit that hard.
NONE OF THE "DREAM MATCH" GAMES ARE CANON. :mad: :mad:

Ryu has never fought Talbain(the wolf guy) or been asked to join the X-Men/Avengers.
Wolverine never squared off against Akuma.
Bison never fought Gill.
Etc etc etc...

This makes the eleventy billionth time it's been stated.We're not trying to pass this off as canon. We're speculating on how SF and DS characters would compare if the SF and DS worlds somehow merged. :wink:

I don't want to go on GG characters. I haven't gotten all the endings yet. :blush:

[Sano]

Here is how I would tier it.

TIER 1. Sol Badguy, I-No, Dizzy
TIER 2. Justice, Slayer, Raven, Ky Kiske
TIER 3. Solaria, Kliff Undersn, Testament, Faust
TIER 4. Anji-Mito, Baiken, May
TIER 5. Chipp Zanuff, Jam Kuradoberi, Potemkin, Robo-Ky
...and then everyone else is not really worth breaking down.


Only thing I might change is putting Dizzy below Ky because he defeated her.

Psycho Power J - I'm aware of Demitri's Aura, which is why I say sunlight doesn't effect him. I agree that if he didn't have the Aura it would be a weakness. And as for fire... don't you know that's just about every monster's weakness? Or at the very least a paralizing fear of it. No one is DS seems to have it, but I'm not sure how you'd work in people running away from projectiles in a game.

Teamwork - Felicia has a move where her buddies jump you. Dan doesn't have a move where the CIA jumps you. As for Urien steel he's still got eyeballs and the inside of his mouth (watch Wiked City...) not sure Felicia would exploit it for arguments sake. Unless her ove one's (students, Animal friends) lives were on the line or something.

Gill's Fire and Ice - I just don't think it would have to much effect on DSers. Those are pretty common attacks over in DS land. Over at SF, Gill's the only one using real fire. Ki Fire like a Yoga Flame and what not is different fundamentally, and not the same as someone who can create and uncreate fire.

[Sano]

As for crossover games, you have to give people leway and fubar the tiers a bit if you were to say, write a fic for it otherwise you'd have to have some pretty quick fights. Realisticly, Magneto vs. Ryu - one second. Thanos with the Infinity Gems wins MVC2. CFE is won by either a Darkstalker or a Warzard character, maybe teamed with Ingrid, kind of dull with all the SFers there. So I don't think Ryu could hang with Gallon but in crossover land, chances are Ryu and Ingrid defeat Pyron and what not, Ryu's Capcom's go to guy (only thing they let out about the Marveel games is that Ryu was there to defeat Apocalypse, um... WHAT?) so in those respective universes, I suppose you have to up the SFers powers. Or lower other character's powers. Popular Ryu beats unpopular (in Japan anyway) Gallon.

Heh, something I'm dealing with now writing my X-Men vs. SF fic in the Fan Fic Forums. I try to make the fights as believable as possible, I sure didn't have someone shoryuken Juggernaut to take him out... I do my best to make the winners of said victories as believable as possibe. But I honestly don't think SFers can hang with X-Men, but it doesn't make for a fun story I think... you can check how others deals with crossovers this week in the SNK/Capcom comic. Not every fight can make storyline sense... um... I think I'm just rambling just to plug my Fic... :rofl:

[mohammeda1i]

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NOTE: Some of this will not make sence as I just woke up.

It seems in all of your posts you doubt the SFers because they are only human, but you don't realise that these powers may be enough to compete. The point is that even if they are not more powerful than others, they may still stand a fighting chance.
e.g. Spiderman vs Venom - Venom is simply put a better version of Spiderman, yet Spiderman has managed to save his own ass plenty of times when he fights him and even managed to beat the crap out of Venom at times. Power isn't everything.
Also, Ryu vs Magneto doesn't have to be a 1 sec match as I am sure Ryu has the same (if not better) athletic abilities as members of the X-Men and can dodge the same way they do. In terms of athletics, the X-men are only human, yet they survive a confrontation with Magneto.
I also fail to see how you can catagorically say all SFers are around C. I agree that they are not S or S+, but I believe some could be as high as A without a problem. I recon it is all about having an open mind about the SFers and realising that they are essentually superhuman to a certain extent even if some of these abilities they have had to learn (I mean, which human can fight bears in temperatures as low as -56 for shiggles - and thats just the Geif).

Mohammed Ali

[Sano]

Most of the time Spidey beats Venom is because he prays on his weaknesses, sound, fire, and the desire for the symbiote to recombine with Spidey. As for him beating the crap out of Venom, Spidey's not a wimp, he doesn't go all out all of the time, it can happen.

Magneto can control the iron content in your blood and rip you to shreds. He did it to The Neo. He froze the entire X-Men team in place once and the only reason they could escape was because Bishop absorbed the energy and shot it back at him. If Mags wished, he could of killed all of the X-Men then and there, killing the X-Men is not part of his agenda for the most part. Ryu can't hang with that. But it all depends on what version of Mags we are talking. Crossover match ups don't always make sense. I don't care what kind of steroids Zangief decides to take, Juggernaut will squash him. Makes for a fun game though.

Class C is the Darkstalkers that can take on an Elite group of Marines single handedly. As I've said, SFers in B, Maybe. C, better. S or A, no. Those are your planet destroyers and people who could beat planet destroyers, all beit if they level down a bit. No one in SF is on the cosmic Silver Surfer/Thor level. They are mortals. Gouki can do amazing stuff, same for Oro and Gill. Not as amazing as S or A. Really just my opinion anyway.

[Apathy-Inc]

It's hard to tier Ano Otoko since he never really fights. The few times we see him do anything aggressive on his own, it amounts to bitch-slapping I-No and/or Baiken. Personally, I would not include him in a tiering, because while it's not denied that he's powerful, his role in the series is really creating the Gears and orchestrating the Holy War, and not fighting.
I don't like to include him either, however, the fact that he can bitch slap I-No around and give Sol pause carries quite a bit of weight. Weither that's a status thing or a power thing has yet to be revealed.

Here is how I would tier it.

TIER 1. Sol Badguy, I-No, Dizzy
TIER 2. Justice, Slayer, Raven, Ky Kiske
TIER 3. Solaria, Kliff Undersn, Testament, Faust
TIER 4. Anji-Mito, Baiken, May
TIER 5. Chipp Zanuff, Jam Kuradoberi, Potemkin, Robo-Ky
...and then everyone else is not really worth breaking down.
I have to agree with sano on a couple things. Dizzy should definately be moved down a tier.
1- Sol Badguy, I-No, Raven, Slayer
2- Ky Kiske, Dizzy, Justice, Kliff
Raven shrugged off Sol trying to burn him and beat Faust easily in an interdimensional battle. (OC) Also, That Man seems like the kind of guy who wouldn't carry around second stringers.
Everything else looked fine except Solaria. Is that the girl from the manga? I don't think she counts, although the manga wasn't comepletely fan-fiction...So I dunno. I'd take a stab at ranking A.B.A., but Isuka has no story and it would really depend upon if she shows up in X3.

@Psycho Power J: That was to Wolfkiller, not to you guys.

[Psycho Power J]

Only thing I might change is putting Dizzy below Ky because he defeated her.

Psycho Power J - I'm aware of Demitri's Aura, which is why I say sunlight doesn't effect him. I agree that if he didn't have the Aura it would be a weakness. And as for fire... don't you know that's just about every monster's weakness? Or at the very least a paralizing fear of it. No one is DS seems to have it, but I'm not sure how you'd work in people running away from projectiles in a game.

Teamwork - Felicia has a move where her buddies jump you. Dan doesn't have a move where the CIA jumps you. As for Urien steel he's still got eyeballs and the inside of his mouth (watch Wiked City...) not sure Felicia would exploit it for arguments sake. Unless her ove one's (students, Animal friends) lives were on the line or something.

Gill's Fire and Ice - I just don't think it would have to much effect on DSers. Those are pretty common attacks over in DS land. Over at SF, Gill's the only one using real fire. Ki Fire like a Yoga Flame and what not is different fundamentally, and not the same as someone who can create and uncreate fire.It's debateable whether Demitri has a weakness to sunlight. He needs to be at least 80% to maintain his aura. If it drops below that while he's in a sunny place, he's screwed. I consider that a significant weakness.

Dan has team up move in MvC2. :wink: Kyosuke has a super where his friends come in to help give a beatdown. Sure that together they're more powerful, but I think tiering involves individuals and not teams. What makes you think Urien's eyes and inside of mouth (why put this in) aren't also tough as iron? As far as I can tell, it's a total body metamorphosis. I'll throw that back at you and say those count more as Felicia's weaknesses rather than Urien's.

I'm pretty sure that there's a number of SF techniques that involves burning your enemies like Ken's attacks. Whether or not it's real fire is irrelevant. What matters is how powerful they are.
Class C is the Darkstalkers that can take on an Elite group of Marines single handedly. As I've said, SFers in B, Maybe. C, better. S or A, no. Those are your planet destroyers and people who could beat planet destroyers, all beit if they level down a bit. No one in SF is on the cosmic Silver Surfer/Thor level. They are mortals. Gouki can do amazing stuff, same for Oro and Gill. Not as amazing as S or A. Really just my opinion anyway.Okay, now I'm sure that you're overestimating the DSers power and/or didn't bother to go through the guide. Ordinary humans are Class C. Those in that class are slaves for Darkstalkers and possess little or no combat capabilities. They wouldn't be able to take on one elite Marine, much less a group of them. ALL SFers are at least C+. Class A are not planet destroyers (Pyron issue needs to be looked into though). Only those Class S+ like Berial could be planet destroyers. Jedah is Class S and I don't think he can destroy a planet. Otherwise, he wouldn't be threatened by Anita since he can just go over and destroy Earth.

[Sano]

It's debateable whether Demitri has a weakness to sunlight. He needs to be at least 80% to maintain his aura. If it drops below that while he's in a sunny place, he's screwed. I consider that a significant weakness.

Dan has team up move in MvC2. :wink: Kyosuke has a super where his friends come in to help give a beatdown. Sure that together they're more powerful, but I think tiering involves individuals and not teams. What makes you think Urien's eyes and inside of mouth (why put this in) aren't also tough as iron? As far as I can tell, it's a total body metamorphosis. I'll throw that back at you and say those count more as Felicia's weaknesses rather than Urien's.

I'm pretty sure that there's a number of SF techniques that involves burning your enemies like Ken's attacks. Whether or not it's real fire is irrelevant. What matters is how powerful they are.
Okay, now I'm sure that you're overestimating the DSers power and/or didn't bother to go through the guide. Ordinary humans are Class C. Those in that class are slaves for Darkstalkers and possess little or no combat capabilities. They wouldn't be able to take on one elite Marine, much less a group of them. ALL SFers are at least C+. Class A are not planet destroyers (Pyron issue needs to be looked into though). Only those Class S+ like Berial could be planet destroyers. Jedah is Class S and I don't think he can destroy a planet. Otherwise, he wouldn't be threatened by Anita since he can just go over and destroy Earth.

Dan and Kyosuke - Non Canon Versus games references. :badboy: Next -

Urien's flesh is what's supposed to become steel. That's usually how it works in Anime/Manga/fiction land. His irises don't even change color like Colossus's. You mean his teeth become steel? I don't see his teeth changing color, only skin/hair. Can he give you a real, gasp, tongue lashing? Can he now chew through cars? Maybe that's why Gill wanted Dudley's pops ride. Forget feeding the meter, it's all about feeding the brother. :rofl:

Classes - Heh, heh, I'm really lazy. Pretty much leaving pluses out to simplify things. Point I'm driving is S or A, no. When I say C better it's all inclusive. And I never said A were planet destroyers.

We are just going in circles here... any lame attempts at humor on my part were to just liven things up a bit. Not insulting. :smile:

[Dasrik]

In my two in the morning mind I mixed up Raven and Solaria, so I would have to drop Solaria, maybe move her to third tier because she's still a living Gear. Yes, she's a canon character.

However, I stand by my placement of Dizzy. She loses because she doesn't really want to fight. Holding back doesn't even begin to explain it.

[Psycho Power J]

And I never said A were planet destroyers.This had me fooled:
S or A, no. Those are your planet destroyers and people who could beat planet destroyers, all beit if they level down a bit.An overview of how I tiered the characters:

Class C is your average Joe. He's someone who fighting is the least of his worries. The weakest SFers are better than him, putting them at Class C+.

Now, those who matter like Ryu, Sagat, and Guile are better than most other SFers, so they're a level higher. I put them at Class B. Most of the Darkstalkers are Class B+. The best SFers at this range are able to give your regular Darkstalkers a good fight. :karate:

And then there are those in SF Tier 1. These guys are in the "godly range" and are at a whole different level. Following that, I put them a class higher, Class A. :tup:

There you go. :encore:
In my two in the morning mind I mixed up Raven and Solaria, so I would have to drop Solaria, maybe move her to third tier because she's still a living Gear. Yes, she's a canon character.

However, I stand by my placement of Dizzy. She loses because she doesn't really want to fight. Holding back doesn't even begin to explain it.Since I only have GGX2 at the latest and don't own GG Isuka, I have to ask: who hell's Solaria?

[Sano]

Psycho Power J - Well, I applaud you for the speedy response, LOL! :tup: I get your reasoning, at least. Yeah, my statement that psyched you out was implying Demitri there, not saying he could destroy a planet. I still feel he will obliterate the SFers. That's just me.

[Apathy-Inc]

She didn't hold back versus Sol, though. Her power took over and he still beat her. Although in the alternate timeline she did become the gear leader after Johnny and Justice were killed in the Holy Wars. So, with enough time and under the right circumstances she has the potential to be as strong or stronger. As of now, though, she's with the Jellyfish pirates and her power has been checked. (GGX2 storymode ending)

http://thegearproject.org/projects/timeline.html

PS: I see where Solaria shows up, as well. I wish I could find the rest of that scanlation.

Edit: @Psycho Power J; 2181
The Blackard incident (Lightning the Argent) occurs, and a Gear with free will known as Solaria is created by the company. However, Ky stops their plan of using her as a command-type Gear, and she lives peacefully as a human under the auspices of the Police force.
Guilty Gear Isuka has no story and is stated to have never happened in the offical storyline. Just like a Versus game.
Solaria isn't in Isuka, so far she's only in the timeline, that I can see.
A.B.A. is the new character created just for Isuka, along with the boss Leo. Neither of which, as of yet, have anything to do with the GGX universe.

[Sano]

Speaking of which, do characters like Demitri and Zabel even have souls for the demons in hell to attack once the Shun Goku Satsu is performed?

[Psycho Power J]

Psycho Power J - Well, I applaud you for the speedy response, LOL! :tup: I get your reasoning, at least. Yeah, my statement that psyched you out was implying Demitri there, not saying he could destroy a planet. I still feel he will obliterate the SFers. That's just me.Well, that's true enough. He's Class A. Most of the SFers are weaker than him, so it's not inconceivable that he would dominate over most of them.
Speaking of which, do characters like Demitri and Zabel even have souls for the demons in hell to attack once the Shun Goku Satsu is performed?If I follow Japanese spiritual beliefs correctly, anything has a possibility of having a soul, even inanimate objects. What should be taken into account is how the Shun Goku Satsu would affect something with a radically different spiritual state like demons and the undead.

Apathy-Inc: Thanks for the info. :tup:

[Sano]

Hmmm. Not sure how it varies from region to region, but the overall belief with Ki/Chi is that humans have it, animals don't, or it's generally not the same thing. And then there are those that extend it to animals not having souls since they have no Ki, Auras, Ki and such are human being things. But then it gets metaphysical, what exactly is a soul, and what not. Anyway, I guess the demons would have to have something to attack in CFE's case fir example, perhaps a Dark Soul of sorts. I'd say Demitri would walk away from it though either way since he survived a fight with Belail and all.

[Dibble]

Other story lines.
Well as for as human not holding there own.
Punisher class: Human
Punisher kills everything. If it bleeds, he can kill it.
Batman class: Human
Batman is the same way.

Im thinking the SFhumans would go along the same lines. Knowing there not as strong. They would give alot of thought before going into battle.
Like Akuma jumping out from behind a tree and RD that ass.

[Sano]

Other story lines.
Well as for as human not holding there own.
Punisher class: Human
Punisher kills everything. If it bleeds, he can kill it.
Batman class: Human
Batman is the same way.



Both use weapons/technology. SFers don't, let's say for the most part. Punisher's gotten punked a few times, mainly by Spider-Man, once Wolverine beat the tar out of Punisher. Slade Wilson kicked Batman's Ass too. In the comics Bats is not the "I own everyone's behind" you see in the cartoons and movies. He's more like the guy who gets his ribs broken, a lot. He can still take a lot of people down though, with technology that is.

SFers don't strategise in the same way to take down foes, for the most part. Punisher, well, more Batman will figure out how to take you down. If he has to fight Superman, he'll get Kryptonite and so on. Even Vega(cape) of Shadowloo doesn't strategise this way, he'll go right up to you and try to kick your Ass. Goes with being in a Fighting Game and such.

And I guess your joking, but Gouki wouldn't jump a DSer from behind a tree. No honor in it. Think of Goku sneak attacking someone. Not their style.

[Sagatryu]

the land animal with the largest bite force is the Croc, it was a bite of 3000 pounds of pressure per square inch.

Sun's Core is around 15,000 celcius and Absolute Zero is -273 celcius

So it's a question of how hard Gallion can bite or How hot or How cold Gill can make his fire or ice.


Also the Tiger Shot is supposed to feel like getting mauled by a tiger, but if you add in 5 more hits then it wouldn't feel like just one tiger mauling you it would Feel more like 6 tigers Mauling you at the same time.

One tiger has a bite force of 1,000 pounds of pressure per square inch so if you add 5 more Tigers that would equal to having 6,000 pounds of pressure tearing at you body.

Plus this does count the force they can put behind their paws.


Now for Gallion to be able to bite off Akuma's Arm he must create Really Powerful force in his bite since Akuma trains in deep ocean which has pressures that will crush 99% of military submarines like eggshells

The Shinka 3000 is not a ordinary military submarine it's a submersible / Mini submarine designed for deep ocean travel.

By the way here's one way Ryu can beat Magneto just give him Wolverine's jobber aura. What the heck just give him Animated TT Robin's jobber aura and watch him exposed secret weakness Mags never knew he had.

Here's the thing Punisher use guns and such to take down animals Most Sfers like Zanigef just use their barehands.

[Sano]

the By the way here's one way Ryu can beat Magneto just give him Wolverine's jobber aura. What the heck just give him Animated TT Robin's jobber aura and watch him exposed secret weakness Mags never knew he had.

Here's the thing Punisher use guns and such to take down animals Most Sfers like Zanigef just use their barehands.

:rofl: The only way Wolverine can beat Magneto is whenever his powers were shut off, on Genosha when he stabbed him in the stomach and the 'fake' Magneto in New York who he decapitated who was also without powers. Anyone can beat Magneto without powers. With powers Mags removed his Adamantium skeleton in a fit of rage. Wolverine almost died from the experience, but Jean Grey kept his mind in one piece, from slipping to the other side from shock. I'm sure in X-Men vs. SF land Hadou = Magnetic powers or something. I have an idea for how Ryu can beat Magneto for my fan fic, but... I'll keep it under my hat for now.

EDIT: What's the point of these shameless plugs for my terribly written fic without a link. Well, at the very least you can take my Fic as if I was writing a CFE Fan Fic, I wouldn't have Demitri and Jedah kill everybody even if that's how I think it would go down realistically, with Warzard characters next to impossible to rate anyways -

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69537&page=1

[OrangeCat]

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Yeah that is one of the big problems with GG. There's really so much "potentially" powerful characters such as Kliff, Dizzy (who's 3), Sol, The Man etc. It's pretty aggrivating sometimes when you don't know the extent of their powers when they are stuck in a certain situation that doesn't allow them to fully realize their potential.

Ah well,

OC

[Sagatryu]

Sano Don't mock the power of Wolverine 's jobber aura. his jobber aura powers have made him be able to cut through Onslaught's force field with his bone claws

jobber aura ( is a Aura that comes into play when the comic character does something that is blatantly impossible for his abilities.)



Wolverine jobber aura happens once in a full blue moon and here's a list of all of Wovlverin's jobber aura feats



1 During the Onslaught Saga ( he Cuts through onslaught's force field with his bone claws)

2 His jobber aura help him survived being hit by a nuke.

3 His jobber aura allow him to survived being hurling into the sun.






Here are the effects of Wolverine's jobber aura has on his foes

1. Drops there IQ 100 points and makes them forget what powers they have.


Now Here's how Wolvie's jobber aura works

No matter whom he is fighting it will always be a close fight with him narrowly pulling out a victory.


ATT Robin's jobber aura effects

1 weak spots mysteriously appear on the villains when he shows up.

2 allows him to mysterously hit harder than a 30 ton brick

3 opponents will stop moving in his presense

oh by the way Sano Mags wasn't jobbing to Wolvie in that Issue where he rips out his skeleton. Now if he did Job to Wolvie in that issuse it would be more like this.

Mags rips out Wolve's skeleton but he magically grows a new one in one second then proceeds to cut through Mags force field and slash him in half.

what I just wrote is a example of jobber aura.

[EndLeSS8]

I've never kept up with the GG power rating, but isn't Slayer almost as strong as Sol?
In his story, it notes that he hasn't fought anyone in like a thousand years that could keep up with him, and even in the game, you can tell that he's not really trying hard with his moves (his KO stance, his casual blocking, etc)

[Sano]

oh by the way Sano Mags wasn't jobbing to Wolvie in that Issue where he rips out his skeleton. Now if he did Job to Wolvie in that issuse it would be more like this.

Mags rips out Wolve's skeleton but he magically grows a new one in one second then proceeds to cut through Mags force field and slash him in half.

what I just wrote is a example of jobber aura.

I have no regard for Jobber Aura! That's like Anime and Manga where people defeat Gods and people way stronger than they are because they believe in the power of their friends!

Thanks for explaining it, though. Don't think in that scenario Wolvie could grow Adamantium. In that scenario, Wolvie's blood wrenching scream would make Mags think of the holocaust, distract him while Wolvie rolls over on the guy with Adamantium sticking out and kills him, and everyone stops buying X-Men for pulling that crap. :rofl:

[Dibble]

Both use weapons/technology. SFers don't, let's say for the most part. Punisher's gotten punked a few times, mainly by Spider-Man, once Wolverine beat the tar out of Punisher. Slade Wilson kicked Batman's Ass too. In the comics Bats is not the "I own everyone's behind" you see in the cartoons and movies. He's more like the guy who gets his ribs broken, a lot. He can still take a lot of people down though, with technology that is.

SFers don't strategise in the same way to take down foes, for the most part. Punisher, well, more Batman will figure out how to take you down. If he has to fight Superman, he'll get Kryptonite and so on. Even Vega(cape) of Shadowloo doesn't strategise this way, he'll go right up to you and try to kick your Ass. Goes with being in a Fighting Game and such.

And I guess your joking, but Gouki wouldn't jump a DSer from behind a tree. No honor in it. Think of Goku sneak attacking someone. Not their style.


Yeah I was joking. I would still like to see Gouki sneaking more people.

[Apathy-Inc]

Sano Don't mock the power of Wolverine 's jobber aura. his jobber aura powers have made him be able to cut through Onslaught's force field with his bone claws

jobber aura ( is a Aura that comes into play when the comic character does something that is blatantly impossible for his abilities.)



Wolverine jobber aura happens once in a full blue moon and here's a list of all of Wovlverin's jobber aura feats



1 During the Onslaught Saga ( he Cuts through onslaught's force field with his bone claws)

2 His jobber aura help him survived being hit by a nuke.

3 His jobber aura allow him to survived being hurling into the sun.






Here are the effects of Wolverine's jobber aura has on his foes

1. Drops there IQ 100 points and makes them forget what powers they have.


Now Here's how Wolvie's jobber aura works

No matter whom he is fighting it will always be a close fight with him narrowly pulling out a victory.


ATT Robin's jobber aura effects

1 weak spots mysteriously appear on the villains when he shows up.

2 allows him to mysterously hit harder than a 30 ton brick

3 opponents will stop moving in his presense

oh by the way Sano Mags wasn't jobbing to Wolvie in that Issue where he rips out his skeleton. Now if he did Job to Wolvie in that issuse it would be more like this.

Mags rips out Wolve's skeleton but he magically grows a new one in one second then proceeds to cut through Mags force field and slash him in half.

what I just wrote is a example of jobber aura.
There's an "offical" term for this in writing too.
It's called "The idiot plot".

[Dasrik]

I've never kept up with the GG power rating, but isn't Slayer almost as strong as Sol?
In his story, it notes that he hasn't fought anyone in like a thousand years that could keep up with him, and even in the game, you can tell that he's not really trying hard with his moves (his KO stance, his casual blocking, etc)Slayer is strong because he's a vampire. He's a bit lacking in the ability department, although when you're an immortal super-strong vampire, you don't really need to HAVE ability. (I mean, he thinks the Luigi jump is a valid attack!) Sol, I-No and Dizzy have too-good power, too-good ability, too-good stamina (I-No can't even get cut and she's just a human!)

[Apathy-Inc]

I've never kept up with the GG power rating, but isn't Slayer almost as strong as Sol?
In his story, it notes that he hasn't fought anyone in like a thousand years that could keep up with him, and even in the game, you can tell that he's not really trying hard with his moves (his KO stance, his casual blocking, etc)
Slayer is as powerful if not more powerful than all the others as of GGX2.
Dizzy especially because she had to use her full power just to hurt him. Slayer is also an 'old one', which earned him considerable admirration and respect from That Man. Who spoke to him in a very polite manner.

I-No was able to survive a direct fight with Dizzy while she was intent on killing her.
As well as walk away after going toe to toe with Sol-Badguy.
No one knows what I-No really is yet, or weither or not she gained her power through black tech or forbidden magics (like Millia and Zato). However, she is, in fact, not a gear. So for now, she's presumed to be human.
It's also worth noting that she can time travel at will and erase people's memories.

The more story and evidence I find, the more it appears that Dizzy is a tier 2. She has the potential to be the strongest, however the circumstances now suggest that she may never reach that level.

Yeah that is one of the big problems with GG. There's really so much "potentially" powerful characters such as Kliff, Dizzy (who's 3), Sol, The Man etc. It's pretty aggrivating sometimes when you don't know the extent of their powers when they are stuck in a certain situation that doesn't allow them to fully realize their potential.

Ah well,

OC
Kliff is dead. At best he could go toe to toe with Justice without a decided winner. I think they fought somewhere around 17 times and always a stalemate. (Holy War)
Justice killed him in Guilty Gear after Kliff went through numerous opponents and even defeated Testament. (beat him, didn't kill him) So he really was worn out by the time he got to Justice.
It's also noted that Testament revived Justice for Kliff, as a gift, so that his step-father could be the hero and finally defeat the monster.
Oops!

[Dasrik]

I didn't know that about Dizzy vs. Slayer...

That makes me reconsider things. Probably the reason I put Slayer at tier 2 is because he has no real interest in fighting. If he did, he'd probably stomp all over everyone else for free, I'm sure (although Sol is a question mark).

[SNK NEOGEO AU]

Meh, Orochi will own them all.

[Sagatryu]

Too bad Darkseid is always writing with PIS (plot induce stupidity) just to make Superman look better.

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks.

[Dasrik]

You forgot the ultimate CIS character, Super Friends Superman, who can do anything he wants as long as he says something about only having one chance, but can't break out of a hogtie.

[Sagatryu]

Sfers > > > the animal kingdom.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=41013

[BenjaminHaining]

I think Ky is currently more powerful than Dizzy. Basing story tiers off "potential" power is an inherently flawed approach. As for SF Vs DS, Darkstalkers are much stronger than the SF cast. The strongest characters in SF destroy mountains, or islands, the strongest characters in DS destroy entire worlds or stars. Actually, Darkstalkers are so off the wall with certain powers, I think they are the strongest fighting game characters around, from a story perspective.

[mukai]

I think Ky is currently more powerful than Dizzy. Basing story tiers off "potential" power is an inherently flawed approach. As for SF Vs DS, Darkstalkers are much stronger than the SF cast. The strongest characters in SF destroy mountains, or islands, the strongest characters in DS destroy entire worlds or stars. Actually, Darkstalkers are so off the wall with certain powers, I think they are the strongest fighting game characters around, from a story perspective.

you couldn't said it better? ds have too much power for sf's cast

[Sagatryu]

Poor Mr.Satan can never catch a break.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=19243&highlight=akuma

[1806pimp]

I think SF characters can hold their on in the Darkstalkers universe, I mean look at shin akumas ending in CFE.