View Full Version : Oro vs Rogue (X-Men)
tenchi03
02-01-2005, 04:42 AM
Any thoughts?
Super-User
02-01-2005, 04:52 AM
Yeah Oro would win.
Apathy-Inc
02-01-2005, 09:33 AM
Rogue no longer has her Mrs. Marvel powers and can only steal another person's powers by touch. I don't know how the Street Fighter universe considers people's abilities so it's questionable as to weither or not she could even absorb them.
See Rogue #7 for reference.
The Damned has a great post on this link of all the people Rogue absorbed and can not absorb. She has never had trouble draining a normal human, and despite Oro being very powerful, he's not beating science, in this case anyway. Rogue's draining him.
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218&page=3&pp=15
Oro can defeat current Rogue. He's skilled enough not to let her touch him.
But the Rogue with Ms. Marvel powers, no. Rogue won the second Contest of Champions Tournament where all the Super Heroes fought each other. Super Strength plus her absorption abilities are no joke.
FurryCurry
02-01-2005, 11:57 AM
The Damned has a great post on this link of all the people Rogue absorbed and can not absorbed. She has never had trouble draining a normal human, and despite Oro being very powerful, he's not beating science, in this case anyway. Rogue's draining him.
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218&page=3&pp=15
Oro can defeat current Rogue. He's skilled enough not to let her touch him.
But the Rogue with Ms. Marvel powers, no. Rogue won the second Contest of Champions Tournament where all the Super Heroes fought each other. Super Strength plus her absorption abilities are no joke.
Word. Rouge is virtually unstoppable as long as she can handle all of the memories and pain that comes with stealing a very powerful person's power.
tenchi03
02-01-2005, 01:28 PM
Which Marvel or DC characters could Oro defeat?
Gambit. He has the lowest power rating of every single Marvel Chatacter in MVC2. Dig through my posts on the pages of the above Link I posted for more info.
I don't know much about DC to answer who in DC, I only know basic info.
Adam Warlock
02-01-2005, 03:06 PM
Gambit. He has the lowest power rating of every single Marvel Chatacter in MVC2. Dig through my posts on the pages of the above Link I posted for more info.
I don't know much about DC to answer who in DC, I only know basic info.
That's dumb though. If you're going by peak, or strongest form (as noted with Rogue), Gambit mops most of the SF cast easily, with the only possible exception being Gill (and Gambit could just keep him down everytime he tried to ressurrect).
That's dumb though. If you're going by peak, or strongest form (as noted with Rogue), Gambit mops most of the SF cast easily, with the only possible exception being Gill (and Gambit could just keep him down everytime he tried to ressurrect).
There's a contradiction with Gambit though. Writers don't write him as weak as Marvel rates him. Marvel's ratings are supposed to be official/canon, but writers do their own thing anyway. But even nowadays, Marvel's not writing Gambit like he's that strong anymore like he was depicted in the Jim Lee era not even fanboy Claremont. I can't even remember when's the last time I've seen him block bullets with his staff.
Oro, Gill and Gouki are all on the same level in terms of power. It's very hard to distinguish between the three.
Oro fights with one hand because he's holding back his strength. He has the biggest projectile in SF history. He can levitate objects. He has lived for over 140 years. All that is too much for Gambit.
As for Gill, he can create and uncreate fire and ice. Gambit has no defense against this.
tenchi03
02-01-2005, 03:22 PM
What is Oro capable of? What are his greatest feats?
Rhio2k
02-01-2005, 03:35 PM
Rogue loses like kids left alone in a daycare center with Michael Jackson. Notice her track record. Even though she's "nigh invicible", she's always the first person K.O'ed in a fight.
Adam Warlock
02-01-2005, 03:57 PM
SNIP
We're back on Supes/Precrisis Supes and Rogue/Uber Rogue.
Which one are we referencing? New Son Gambit wouldn't give a damn about Fire, Ice, Levitation or a one-armed gimp with a shoulder diaper.
chimitaru
02-01-2005, 04:58 PM
Rogue no longer has her Mrs. Marvel powers and can only steal another person's powers by touch. I don't know how the Street Fighter universe considers people's abilities so it's questionable as to weither or not she could even absorb them.
See Rogue #7 for reference.
tony bedard plans on giving rogue back her old miss marvel abilities. srry, i just couldn't resist ruining the suprise for you!
Apathy-Inc
02-01-2005, 05:02 PM
I don't collect the comic for the story, I collect it for the art.
Better luck next time?
Which one are we referencing? New Son Gambit wouldn't give a damn about Fire, Ice, Levitation or a one-armed gimp with a shoulder diaper.
What do you mean by New Son Gambit?
The Gambit I mean is basically MVC2 Gambit.
Oro's powers I listed already. His greatest feat aside from living up to old age and having a huge fireball (both indicators of his strength) is beating Ryu with one arm. Beating someone as powerful as Ryu with only one arm is quite amazing.
chimitaru
02-01-2005, 05:22 PM
you spend nearly four dollars on a comic soley for its art? despite the fact the art is pretty shitty. and if it was just for the art then why are you reading it you cunt?
Apathy-Inc
02-01-2005, 05:31 PM
It's $2.99, and I happen to be a big fan of his work. (Karl Moline - Fray, Route 666)
As a matter of fact:
He and a couple other Crossgen employees at the time got together and did me a pretty bad ass Fray sketch for my 22nd birthday. I got the whole process too. Thumbnails, roughs, pencils, inks and colors. 2 sets of colors, actually.
What's the matter? Mad your little "news" didn't bother me?
Try harder.
Ryu Kazama
02-01-2005, 05:34 PM
Ease up on the rudeness. Hmm, I heard Rogue was quite shabby. The new comic that is. Thats why my bro didn't get it for me (the punk!). Oh well.
I'm more of a Spidey man....wait...I am ONLY a Spidey fan. Oh well.
Gambit rocks though. Doubt he could take on Oro though. Gill....hmm say if he got frozen..Gambit could just blow it up..unless he dies before he can do anything. So long he's touching it, he'll blow it up.
As for the fire, thats a tricky one. Gambit is quite the agile one....oh wait...this is Rogue!
Hmmm I only just found out about her not having Ms.Marvel powers now. Thats great! Well, she's useless without them then.
Sagatryu
02-01-2005, 05:49 PM
Ah Sano Gambit never had super strength , super speed or super toughness the only power he had was that kinetic energy thing.
with one punch Akuma could knockout or kill the following characters
1 Captain America = Dead
2. Vulture = Dead
3 Kro = Dead
4 Kingpin = Dead
5 Black Panther = Dead
6 Feral = Dead
7 Spitfire = Dead
8 Whizzer = Dead
9 Werewolf = Dead
10 Karnak = Dead
11 Ursa Major = Dead
12 Beast = Dead
13 Mandrill = Dead
14 Gargoyle II = Dead
15 Arkon = Dead
16 Gorilla-Man = Dead
17 Thunderbird = Dead or Ko
18 Luke Cage = Ko
19 Dr. Octopus = Dead
20 Living Mummy = Ko
21 Mad-Dog = Dead
22 Captain Ultra = Dead
23 Man-Ape = Dead or Ko
24 Spider-Man = Dead or Ko
25 Hobgoblin II = Dead or Ko
26 Left-Winger = Dead or Ko
27 Tarantula = Dead or Ko
28 Venom = Ko
29 Lizard = Dead or Ko
30 American Eagle = Dead or Ko
31 Geirrodur = Dead or Ko
32 Armadillo = Ko
33 Doc Samson = Ko
34 Rhino = Ko
Akuma has done feats which would put him in Either Class 90 or low Class 100.
Akuma's Stats
Strength 6 = 75-100 ton range ( this range Seems more likey for Akuma then the 25-70 ton range giving his sink the Island with one punch and destroying Mountain feats.)
Fighting Skills 5 - Master of a single form of combat
Durability 6 - Superhuman
Speed: Mach 1 or Mach 2
chimitaru
02-01-2005, 10:17 PM
Ease up on the rudeness. Hmm, I heard Rogue was quite shabby. The new comic that is. Thats why my bro didn't get it for me (the punk!). Oh well.
I'm more of a Spidey man....wait...I am ONLY a Spidey fan. Oh well.
Gambit rocks though. Doubt he could take on Oro though. Gill....hmm say if he got frozen..Gambit could just blow it up..unless he dies before he can do anything. So long he's touching it, he'll blow it up.
As for the fire, thats a tricky one. Gambit is quite the agile one....oh wait...this is Rogue!
Hmmm I only just found out about her not having Ms.Marvel powers now. Thats great! Well, she's useless without them then.
gambit has his own comic, which sucks and is soon to be cancelled BWAHAHHAHAAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAAHAAHAHHAHHA.
Gambit's official Power Rating from The Marvel Encyclopedia books. I'm not hating, I actually like Gambit. Just pointing this out so you can see where I stand when I say Oro > Gambit. The highest you can get in any rating is a 7.
GAMBIT
INTELLIGENCE: 2 - Normal.
STRENGTH: 2 - Normal.
SPEED: 2 - Normal.
DURABILITY: 2 - Normal.
ENERGY PROJECTION: 2 - Ability to discharge energy on contact.
FIGHTING SKILLS: 3 - Some training.
He has the lowest Power Rating of any Marvel Character in MVC2. Psylocke and Silver Samurai are fairly low too, but not this low. "Mon ami, Marvel don't like da cajun no more." Blackheart has the highest rating. Thanos with the Infinity Gems like he has in the game however would own everybody, but the Rating doesn't reflect the Gems.
Higher-Jin
02-01-2005, 10:51 PM
Gambit's official Power Rating from The Marvel Encyclopedia books. I'm not hating, I actually like Gambit. Just pointing this out so you can see where I stand when I say Oro > Gambit. The highest you can get in any rating is a 7.
GAMBIT
INTELLIGENCE: 2 - Normal.
STRENGTH: 2 - Normal.
SPEED: 2 - Normal.
DURABILITY: 2 - Normal.
ENERGY PROJECTION: 2 - Ability to discharge energy on contact.
FIGHTING SKILLS: 3 - Some training.
He has the lowest Power Rating of any Marvel Character in MVC2. Psylocke and Silver Samurai are fairly low too, but not this low. "Mon ami, Marvel don't like da cajun no more." Blackheart has the highest rating. Thanos with the Infinity Gems like he has in the game however would own everybody, but the Rating doesn't reflect the Gems.
where is this list?
can i see it?
This Link I explain the ratings, the next few pages on the Link and beyond every Marvel Character that has been playable, or a helper, or a bad swap in a Capcom game that Marvel has made a rating for in any of their encyclopedia books is there. The only one missing is Shuma Gorath, but it's reasonable since he has less than a dozen appearances. But I still wish Marvel would rate him.
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218&page=4&pp=15
Adam Warlock
02-02-2005, 07:30 AM
Ah Sano Gambit never had super strength , super speed or super toughness the only power he had was that kinetic energy thing.
Actually, even thought they haven't used the angle in a long time, just by virtue of being born with the x-gene, mutants are above normal humans in base attribute potential. So mutants are naturally inclined to better than humans. Plus (another thing writers don't use anymore) Gambit can charge himself to increase his speed, strength, agility, etc.
What do you mean by New Son Gambit?
The Gambit I mean is basically MVC2 Gambit.
New Son Gambit is Gambit at his fulll potential. Gambit always feared his power so he had Sinister block 80% of it (by planting a chip in his head) so that he would never become as powerful as he feared. Eventually, Gambit had the chip removed and met an alternate verion of himself owho never had the chip and they fought. Some of the things he did are:
Charge himself with pure energy (to the point where his physical form was just energy)
he could charge any object (with or without touching, organic or not)
He could affect objects as if he had telekenisis (he latched onto his alternate slef and slung his body from new york to paris in less than a second. )
ANd these are just random bits. Gambit is an omega class mutant when at his peak. He can literally kill everything on the planet by just realeasing all his stored energy.
Actually, even thought they haven't used the angle in a long time, just by virtue of being born with the x-gene, mutants are above normal humans in base attribute potential. So mutants are naturally inclined to better than humans. Plus (another thing writers don't use anymore) Gambit can charge himself to increase his speed, strength, agility, etc.
New Son Gambit is Gambit at his fulll potential. Gambit always feared his power so he had Sinister block 80% of it (by planting a chip in his head) so that he would never become as powerful as he feared. Eventually, Gambit had the chip removed and met an alternate verion of himself owho never had the chip and they fought. Some of the things he did are:
Charge himself with pure energy (to the point where his physical form was just energy)
he could charge any object (with or without touching, organic or not)
He could affect objects as if he had telekenisis (he latched onto his alternate slef and slung his body from new york to paris in less than a second. )
ANd these are just random bits. Gambit is an omega class mutant when at his peak. He can literally kill everything on the planet by just realeasing all his stored energy.
Didn't know that. Thanks a lot! Okay, New Son Gambit wins, the won with the chip looses, IMHO.
Unfortunatly all Marvel characters are at the whims of their writers. Back in the old Marvel Universe book in the 80s, Wolverine's strength was said to be at Captain America's level, now he's way above that. Things change. Gambit's been getting punked a lot lately. First he was turned into a battery, then he lost his powers, he got them back recently but then he did his blind man routine for a while, the ol' Jim Lee Bad Ass Gambit is long gone. He may be getting a secondary mutation of seeing into the future, this happened recently in Uncanny.
EDIT: I wonder after the Khan/Madripoor deal how much of Gambit's 'New Son' powers he retains when he got his powers back. He was really drained in that story and left with no powers. Hasn't done too much since he got his powers back other than charge a few items and stuff. Perhaps that's what his low rating reflects. Anything going on in his own series regarding his powers since I'm not reading it?
EDIT #2: In the Encyclopedia books, Gambit has shown up three times, always with the same rating. They've had three oppurtunities to change it at seperate intervals and have still kept it the same. In the New Marvel Woman of 2005 Encyclopedia, they changed Rogue's Rating. All twos except for fighting ability, there she got 4. So Marvel will change ratings if they feel it's warranted.
Super-User
02-02-2005, 09:17 AM
24 Spider-Man = Dead or Ko
28 Venom = Ko
Akuma could never beat them because their Spider-Sense.
arcticninja
02-02-2005, 10:23 AM
Venom doesn't have Spider-Sense. It's the one ability the symbiote was not able to copy.
Kataklysmic
02-02-2005, 01:08 PM
The rating system is why I don't take Marvel that seriously anymore. Not only because the stats don't match their comic performances, but the ratings themselves don't make any sense.
They put the Punisher's fighting abilities at 6 while his intelligence is at a mere 2. What the hell is that?
The rating system is why I don't take Marvel that seriously anymore. Not only because the stats don't match their comic performances, but the ratings themselves don't make any sense.
They put the Punisher's fighting abilities at 6 while his intelligence is at a mere 2. What the hell is that?
Marvel measures intelligence on school smarts, or those who have smarts as powers, for the most part. That's why Punisher gets normal. Kingpin's not educated, but he psykes out Daredevil, Punisher and Spider-Man all the time. I believe he's pretty high. Punisher's... insane. That may stop him from going above normal.
Ratings don't bug me, seems like writers can go with it or not. And for Gambit right now, they seem to be going with it to me. What bugs me about Marvel is how screwed up thier continuity is right now (but they are getting better, a little bit, at least they're more aware of it now) and they need to stop bringing dead people back. With all it's problems, I still prefer Marvel to DC though.
Kataklysmic
02-02-2005, 01:41 PM
They need to change the whole category from intelligence to education then. Doom's unquestionably the most brilliant man on Earth, but that can only get him so far with the way he conducts himself. For a guy who's intelligence is considered "normal", Punisher makes everyone else on the same level look like a dunce.
Isn't it funny too that intellligence is so interwoven with psychic ability? Mind reading is nice, but if you don't have the power to grasp the concepts you're reading in somone's head, none of it should matter.
Sagatryu
02-02-2005, 02:28 PM
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=21222&highlight=street+fighter
These people seem to agree that Akuma could beat spider-man even with Spider-Sense.
Oh by the way here's the rules of the forum.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=134
plus here's a thread about super strength.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=39067&highlight=wolverine
Super-User
02-02-2005, 03:32 PM
Akuma is strong and he could beat many Marvel Heroes but not Spidey.He has beated the Hulk,Rhino,Venom,Juggernaut and many others.
World Warrior
02-02-2005, 04:48 PM
Unfortunatly all Marvel characters are at the whims of their writers. Back in the old Marvel Universe book in the 80s, Wolverine's strength was said to be at Captain America's level, now he's way above that.
Not true. Wolverine's always been capped, on paper, as being able to press a maximum of 800 lbs (same as Captain America i.e. human being limit). And even then, I can't recall one occasion of him ever lifting anything similar to that kind of weight, writers don't even acknowledge that.
On a sidenote, though according to that Marvel ratings scale a character such as Gouki or Ryu would only scale as a five in comparison to someone like Cap (seven), but in terms of sheer martial arts technique, skill, and experience, the SF'ers just totally eclipse the Marvelites (withholding the concepts of chi manipulation which is much more enabled in the SF universe than that of the Marvel universe). I mean, these are guys who's very lives revolve around the concept of martial arts as an end, not a means.
Not true. Wolverine's always been capped, on paper, as being able to press a maximum of 800 lbs (same as Captain America i.e. human being limit). And even then, I can't recall one occasion of him ever lifting anything similar to that kind of weight, writers don't even acknowledge that.
The Marvel Universe books I'm referring to go back to the eighties, it's one of the side bars where they listed strength ranges. But as it worked in ranges, people get compiled totether and it was even more simplified than what Marvel's doing today since it was one page on the entire subject. No, they didn't say in that book that Wolverine and Cap were equally strong, they were just in the same range, which could mean lots of things. Spider-Man was above both in the next range. But in the new range that works 800 lbs to 25 tons, Wolvie and Spidey are in the same range, even though Spidey's stronger. Cap is now lower at 3, able to lift twice his own body weight. So write now on paper, Cap's not the same. Things change.
Sagatryu
02-02-2005, 05:15 PM
there was no message here you didn't see anything.
Admiral Akbar
02-02-2005, 10:11 PM
Those Marvel Handobook ratings are extremely inaccurate and are written by lazy interns at Marvel. Don't trust them
And Ms. Marvel Rogue would curbstomp Oro.
Those Marvel Handobook ratings are extremely inaccurate and are written by lazy interns at Marvel.
Doesn't make them unnoficial or non canon. Having gone to the School of Visual Arts, I know of people who interned at Marvel, fellow students. They don't get responsibilities like that. You can find out who wrote any given encyclopedia by oh, I don't know, opening up the book to the part where it tells you.
And the people I know who interened at Marvel minus one girl are big Comic Book Geeks, when they had conversations about the characters with writers and editors, they knew more about them then current Marvel did. But this was a good 3 years ago or so.
Sagatryu
02-02-2005, 11:16 PM
well it seems that Carnage and Rogue are in the same strength Class which doesn't make since.
well it seems that Carnage and Rogue are in the same strength Class which doesn't make since.
No. In the Srength Ranges Carnage is a 4, Rogue is a 5.
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