Ryu vs Sol Badguy

[tenchi03]

Can Ryu beat him?

[wassabbi]

the question is was Ryu ever been defeated?

[Apathy-Inc]

Please try to keep the number off topic threads down. There's already a bunch of threads like this. Just post this question in one of them.
It's really getting ridiculous.

[Super-User]

Sol must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance!

[RE-T]

what will happen is they'll both do the strongest uppercut they have and the world blows up :lame: but I say it's a draw..

[mukai]

the question is was Ryu ever been defeated?

yes he has been defeated by oro, sol vs ryu u think about that one, a gear vs a human who u think would win

[Sagatryu]

Well Ryu's not quite as powerful as mister I destory mountains Akuma so I have to go with Sol badguy.

[jojo]

Please try to keep the number off topic threads down. There's already a bunch of threads like this. Just post this question in one of them.
It's really getting ridiculous.



werd...

btw, whos the mod for this forum?

[Skyler]

very amusing alright. ryu vs. sol is a dream match that even i dont wanna see. both dont have anything in common except being the main icon of the games they are in.

[Civic Si]

Don't compare Ryu to anyone in GG. Ever.

[TAS]

the question is was Ryu ever been defeated?

A few people have beaten him

Sakura (SFA2)
Sagat (SFA2)
Ken (SFA2)
Oro (SF3)

Although he let Sakura, Sagat, and Ken beat him. Oro easily beat him though.

[KentDog]

Although he let Sakura, Sagat, and Ken beat him.

Why would he do that?

[BenjaminHaining]

He allowed Sakura to win because, having begun to evolve into an honorable man, he was not going to hurt a teenaged schoolgirl. As far as I know, however, he did not "let" Ken or Sagat beat him. He more or less "lost his focus" against Ken, but that is Ryus fault. It would be akin to saying Muhammed Ali never really lost to Norton, since it wouldn't have happened if Ali had not opened his big mouth during the fight and had his jaw shattered for it.

As for Sagat, he has never actually defeated Ryu. He owned up on Ryu so hard during the first (and only "actual" fight they've had) that he simply assumed victory, and offered Ryu a hand to help him get up. Ryu, seeing defeat imminent, went psychotic, unleashed the "murderous intent" Gouki is always talking about, and gave Sagat his scar with the ensuing attack, winning the match. The only other time they have fought is when Ryu was overcome by Bisons power, and Sagat was basically fighting only to reawaken Ryus real self while Sakura and Ken held Bison off.

To the original question, Sol would win from a storyline perspective.

[Keep-away_Guile]

Even though Sol is the Shoto-scrub of the game, I'd have to say he would win since he's more broken than 3s Ryu. I dunno about any other incarnation of Ryu though...

[Dasrik]

Although he let Sakura, Sagat, and Ken beat him. Oro easily beat him though.Ryu didn't let Ken beat him. He was distracted by his fight with Akuma.

Don't know about Sakura or Sagat, though. Sakura, probably. Maybe he was just impressed. Sagat in SF1 was stronger than (regular) Ryu, but now I don't see any way that Sagat could beat him, so Ryu definitely let it happen.

As for the topic, um, Sol is probably the strongest guy in the GG universe. That's a universe with a super soldier that killed thousands of people in a holy war, her daughter who goes on violent rages occasionally, a woman who can travel through time and cannot be cut by any force, and an immortal vampire who kills you by punching you. I don't think there's any contest here.

[Sagatryu]

You should have use the he can punch you to the next solor system bit cause killing some one with a punch isn't that impressive but punching some one to the next solar system is.


Akuma is powerful enough to kill any living creature with one punch anyone more powerful than him is just a overkill. I mean come on were talking about a guy who can sink islands and destory mountains with one punch. I am just saying with the kind of power Akuma has he could have easly kill ryu off if he want to.

plus he can withstand the crushing pressures of the deep ocean.

[Dasrik]

You're thinking of Bridget, not Sol.

[GoLD-ReaVeR]

I think Sol would win cuz he has far more range then ryu, and ofcourse the dustloop.

[Crazymojo]

Guilty Gear = Darkstalker tier for character strength, which is above Street Fighter pretty much.

[Sagatryu]

No I was think more in terms of punching power.

destroying a mountain in one punch is more impressive then kill the average human. It only takes about 2,000 psi to kill the average human.

Ps: Ryu is a lot tougher than the average human.

[Power Man Fox]

sorry im off topic but...
How did oro beat ryu?

[BenjaminHaining]

By fighting better than him.

[Power Man Fox]

By fighting better than him.
lol
Oro the guy from 3rd strike?
He fought better than him befor or after the one arm thing?

[MBurningStar]

Guilty Gear = Darkstalker tier for character strength, which is above Street Fighter pretty much.

when you say darkstalker tier, which character are you talking about? Because there's a select few people from there who might stand a chance in the GG world. Preferrably just Jedah, oh and Pyron. ...But that's it really, Demitiri could be thrown in there, but anyone else might get recked.

[Sagatryu]

Actually he was just using one arm and small percentage of his power the whole entire fight , basically he was just going easy on Ryu.


Plus Akuma sees that Ryu might be as powerful as him someday even with out the Satsu no Hadou.

[Demon Dash]

Plus the fact sol has a sword, an instant death and a hell lot of fire, i'ld say sol by a long shot.

[Psycho_Ryu]

i have an idea, anyone here ever heard of mugen? just use mugen to create a game, go to watch and setup a fight between sol and ryu and then you will know. problem solved.

[Dios <-X->]

Plus the fact sol has a sword, an instant death and a hell lot of fire, i'ld say sol by a long shot.

ryu was in mvc2, cable shot him with lasers and guns, and ryu lived. plus silver samurai has a sword, but he sucks ass.

[snakedizzle209]

Ummm... Ryu owned Victor fuckin' Sagat damnit. Do you know what I'm saying here? He overcame crouching fierce.

I think I just won the thread for Ryu. :encore:

[Psycho_Ryu]

Ummm... Ryu owned Victor fuckin' Sagat damnit. Do you know what I'm saying here? He overcame crouching fierce.

I think I just won the thread for Ryu. :encore:
lmao i agree, ryu would be able to win this fight, it would mostly be a keep-away game for ryu though, because if sol gets in there, it might give ryu a hard time, and i learned this the hard way in mugen

[nortlee]

Ryu didn't let Ken beat him. He was distracted by his fight with Akuma.
Just a minor thing but it was actually Sagat, he was still distracted from the battle that he fought to win the first tournament after using Satsui No Hadou. Satsui No Hadou was probably what was troubling him, Ken did say something along the lines of "The next time you lose it" as he handed him his headband.

As for this fight... Well SOL has a sword and Guilty Gear characters have more of a combo and speed factor up against a Street Fighter along with "Destruction" moves so I'd have to vote Sol.

[Psycho_Ryu]

Just a minor thing but it was actually Sagat, he was still distracted from the battle that he fought to win the first tournament after using Satsui No Hadou. Satsui No Hadou was probably what was troubling him, Ken did say something along the lines of "The next time you lose it" as he handed him his headband.

As for this fight... Well SOL has a sword and Guilty Gear characters have more of a combo and speed factor up against a Street Fighter along with "Destruction" moves so I'd have to vote Sol.
yea it was the fight with sagat it says so in the plot guide. :rolleyes: :clap: :tup:

[Citan1984]

A few people have beaten him

Sakura (SFA2)
Sagat (SFA2)
Ken (SFA2)
Oro (SF3)

Although he let Sakura, Sagat, and Ken beat him. Oro easily beat him though.

I thought the entire plot of SFA2 was ignored due to Capcom retelling the same story in the "correct way" in SFA3.

Thats what I've heard anyway. So wouldnt that, because of SFA3 being the appropriate endings that nullify those seen in SFA2 cancel all of that?

With the exception of Oro in SF3 of course.

[Kataklysmic]

I thought the entire plot of SFA2 was ignored due to Capcom retelling the same story in the "correct way" in SFA3.

Thats what I've heard anyway. So wouldnt that, because of SFA3 being the appropriate endings that nullify those seen in SFA2 cancel all of that?

With the exception of Oro in SF3 of course.

You must not have played SFA3 then. That game didn't retell shit regarding those fights.

[Valen]

I thought the entire plot of SFA2 was ignored due to Capcom retelling the same story in the "correct way" in SFA3.Nope. SFA2 retell SFA1 story. SFA3 story tells what happened after A2.

And back to topic. Come on guys Sol is just a Ryu impostor. Shoto of GG Series. If you compare Ryu to Sol than throw in all techniques that Ryu was actually doing in all fighting games. ÑÑ from A3, Air fireball's, super shoryuken, beam Hadoken Super from MvC2, roll cancel shit from CvS2. And even if Sol actually wins how can you be sure that Ryu would not use his Satsu no Hado cheap trick again???

[Apathy-Inc]

Alright, I tried to stay out of this...but here goes: In the world of SF, DS and GGX, the only ones that would give most anyone in GGX a fight would be the Darkstalkers.
GGX top tiers > SF top tiers.

And there is no way Sol is a "clone" of anyone. GGX doesn't really have "clone" characters. You can argue Robo Ky in GGX2, but #Reload completely revamped him.

As far as the game is concerned, wait around for Sammy Vs Capcom. Assuming they even put Ryu in there.

[Sagatryu]

some people are skeptical about the power levels of the GG cast.


http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=42197&page=1&pp=15&highlight=capcom

[snakedizzle209]

If Sol had his sword he would win. If he didnt'(which is the way it should be) then he would get owned beyond belief.

It's simple, Ryu has more hand to hand fighting experience. But lately in fighting games he's become more of a joke, but in terms of story he dominates most of the SF world.

[Valen]

Alright, I tried to stay out of this...but here goes: In the world of SF, DS and GGX, the only ones that would give most anyone in GGX a fight would be the Darkstalkers.
GGX top tiers > SF top tiers.
I don't think so. You forgetting that GG series take place in future, 2144 or something... And SF3: 3S is in 1999. So if you want 3S Ryu against Sol you must make some time machine plot. But that would be retarded.
«Sol comeback in to past to destroy the ancestors of the scientists that were responsible for Gear Project or inventors of «Free energy for all» aka Magic that make Gears Project possible in first place.»
It seams like Terminator plot ripoff to me…
In MvC and CvS series the Capcom and SNK/Marvel universes in dream match were in the same time period - mid, late 90’s. And in Dream match those universes considered as one.

So from story perspective Ryu vs Sol could be possible only in 2144. Ryu could only live that long enough if he would be thought the secret of Immortality by Oro, and defeated Akuma in death match. And Akuma already have the power of the strongest of Gears – Justice. Akuma destroyed an island in A2 with one blow, so in 3S he can destroy the whole Japan with one blow. And even don’t need some Gear Army. Sol don’t have such brutal strength that Justice has. Sol defeated Justice not with a brutal strength but with technique and precision. Ryu and Akuma technique is definitely more advanced than Sols. Ryu could not overcome Akuma with technique and precision like Sol took out Justice, Ryu need some great power that is equal to Akuma in order to defeat him . May be Ryu fall to Satsu no Hado??? And knowing Ryu, what do you think he would do for 145 before fight vs Sol? He would train his Ass off!!! He is a fucking karate perfection psycho. In 2144 he would be a freaking Earth walking FIGHTING GOD!!!!

[Sagatryu]

according to Tas SF3: third strike takes place in 1998 and Rival School takes place in 1999. Which means that Ryu has already spent 1 year training under Oro

[Apathy-Inc]

I don't think so. You forgetting that GG series take place in future, 2144 or something... And SF3: 3S is in 1999. So if you want 3S Ryu against Sol you must make some time machine plot. But that would be retarded.
«Sol comeback in to past to destroy the ancestors of the scientists that were responsible for Gear Project or inventors of «Free energy for all» aka Magic that make Gears Project possible in first place.»
It seams like Terminator plot ripoff to me…
That's funny because there's at least 3 characters in GGX that can time travel. Axel Low, I-No and Raven. As a matter of fact a MAJOR plot point in GGX is I-No traveling through time and saving Ky from dying, thus averting a pretty dark future.

So from story perspective Ryu vs Sol could be possible only in 2144. Ryu could only live that long enough if he would be thought the secret of Immortality by Oro, and defeated Akuma in death match. And Akuma already have the power of the strongest of Gears – Justice. Akuma destroyed an island in A2 with one blow, so in 3S he can destroy the whole Japan with one blow. And even don’t need some Gear Army. Sol don’t have such brutal strength that Justice has. Sol defeated Justice not with a brutal strength but with technique and precision. Ryu and Akuma technique is definitely more advanced than Sols. Ryu could not overcome Akuma with technique and precision like Sol took out Justice, Ryu need some great power that is equal to Akuma in order to defeat him . May be Ryu fall to Satsu no Hado??? And knowing Ryu, what do you think he would do for 145 before fight vs Sol? He would train his Ass off!!! He is a fucking karate perfection psycho. In 2144 he would be a freaking Earth walking FIGHTING GOD!!!!
This is all hypothetical, I dunno why you've suddenly taken such a literal route, but whatever.
Akuma destroyed a mountain, not an island, and I'm pretty sure that was around the time of 3S.

Sol defeated Justice by beating the shit out of her and simply being more powerful. He's also over a hundred years old so there goes any "fighting experience" arguments.
Sol actually needs that headband of his to keep his power in check, as I recall. The plot guide is down right now for some reason, so I can't confirm.

It doesn't really matter. According to the tier sets and world laws and all that happy horse shit; Even the strongest SFer couldn't stand up to the Darkstalkers or even the Marvel superheros. Guilty Gear is said to be able to rival DS.

[Dibble]

Batman would just kill everyone.

[Valen]

Originally Posted by MBurningStar
when you say darkstalker tier, which character are you talking about? Because there's a select few people from there who might stand a chance in the GG world. Preferrably just Jedah, oh and Pyron. ...But that's it really, Demitiri could be thrown in there, but anyone else might get recked. Fanboy alert....
Man, most of the GG fighters are just normal humans with martial artists skills -> Ky, Anji, Biken, Chipp, Venom, Bridget, Axl, May, Jam, Potemkin, Johnny etc... Those fighters story vise are no match for Slayer who is a vampire. Vampire=DarkStalker. In GG plot Slayer is one of the strongest, may be even number one. So the regular DarkStalkers could easily fight regular GG universe fighters. Needless to say that Zappa actually have more in common with a darkstalkers than with a regular GG fighters. So the point is that Bishomen, Talbain, Victor etc. are a good match for normal GG fighters story vise. And Demitry, Pyron, Jedah would be in Top Tier/God Tier in GG universe just like Slayer.
If Sol had his sword he would win. If he didnt'(which is the way it should be) then he would get owned beyond belief. Vega has a Claw, Rolento has stick, knifes and even grenades , and still Ryu can beat them at any day of the week…
according to Tas SF3: third strike takes place in 1998 and Rival School takes place in 1999. Which means that Ryu has already spent 1 year training under Oro
Quote from Tiamat Street Fighter Plot Guide -> «Street Fighter 3 Third Strike (Probably 1998, and possibly 1999. This is SF3DI's epilogue)»
This is all hypothetical Of course it is hypothetical, the whole Sol vs Ryu fight is hypothetical in first place.
I dunno why you've suddenly taken such a literal route, but whatever. Coz it is just the way all the dreammatch/crossover plots works. It is a time travel or universe reach the time when such match is possible.
Akuma destroyed a mountain, not an island, and I'm pretty sure that was around the time of 3S. Actualy it was an island. And it happened in A2. Here the quote from Tiamat Street Fighter Plot Guide -> «Street Fighter Alpha 2: Gouken's student, Ryu, has tracked Akuma down, and challenges Akuma as a fighter. Akuma, always looking for worthy foes, tests Ryu's mettle at his island, Gokuento. Akuma is very impressed by Ryu's skill, and tells Ryu about the Satsu no Hadou power within Ryu. He wants that power to awaken within Ryu, and tells Ryu that once it does, Ryu should seek Akuma out again so they could have a real match [Official]. Akuma then forcefully slams his fist into the ground, and the island of Gokuentou sinks into the sea, with Ryu escaping just in time
[Conjecture from Ryu's SFA2 ending].»
So the point stays. During A2 time(1988) Akuma could destroy an island with one blow. So it would take a 6-7 blows to sink the whole Japan. He don’t need an army or something.

Sol defeated Justice by beating the shit out of her and simply being more powerful. He's also over a hundred years old so there goes any "fighting experience" arguments.
Sol actually needs that headband of his to keep his power in check, as I recall. The plot guide is down right now for some reason, so I can't confirm.
Ok… Lets see how old are Sol. In 2099 he joined Gear Project which supposedly give him his power and make him Immortal. He is not a Gear coz he was human once he is just a regular man imbued with some Magic power on which all GG universe are based. And thats why Justice could not control him as all normal Gears. Since that time he didn’t changed a bit so at look on his face you can give him probably 25-27. His birth day is some where in 2074-2073. In 2175 Sol killed Justice(sorry, my first date of 2144 was false). And the fight between Sol and Ryu is supposed to happen in 2176-2179???
Ryu birth day is 1964 July 21. 2176-1964=212 of training… Ok not 212, he starts to train when he was 4-5 years old, so it still 208 years of training. And Sol 2176-2073=103 minus childhood it is 99 years of training. 208>99 . So the point of far superior Ryus fighting experience stays…

And as I previously sad a lot of GG cast a just mere human martial artists with extensive usage of Ki energy, and some of them could still give a Sol a good, close fight. Like Ky or Anji.
Also Akuma trained with Satsu no Hado for 35-40 years(in SFA2 he supposed to be 45-50). And look what he can do!!! If Ryu defeated Akuma(if not Akuma would surely killed him) and took Satsu no Hado path, that would mean that in 2176 it is some thing like 150 years of Satsu no Hado training. So Ryus SnH power = Akumas SnH power x 3….
One Blow=whole Planet????

End of the big stupid post. :confused:

[Aeshma]

Man, most of the GG fighters are just normal humans with martial artists skills -> Ky, Anji, Biken, Chipp, Venom, Bridget, Axl, May, Jam, Potemkin, Johnny etc... Those fighters story vise are no match for Slayer who is a vampire. Vampire=DarkStalker. In GG plot Slayer is one of the strongest, may be even number one. So the regular DarkStalkers could easily fight regular GG universe fighters. Needless to say that Zappa actually have more in common with a darkstalkers than with a regular GG fighters. So the point is that Bishomen, Talbain, Victor etc. are a good match for normal GG fighters story vise. And Demitry, Pyron, Jedah would be in Top Tier/God Tier in GG universe just like Slayer.


True, true.


So the point stays. During A2 time(1988) Akuma could destroy an island with one blow. So it would take a 6-7 blows to sink the whole Japan. He don’t need an army or something.


And how big was Gokuentou anyways?.


Ok… Lets see how old are Sol. In 2099 he joined Gear Project which supposedly give him his power and make him Immortal. He is not a Gear coz he was human once he is just a regular man imbued with some Magic power on which all GG universe are based.


Dude, you have your dates all wrong. GG´s Magic was discovered in 2010, with the Gear project begining in 2014 and the whole Gear scientist staff dissapearing by 2016, including Frederick (Sol). That Man creates Justice by 2073 and shortly after that, Japan blows up and the crusades begin. The crusades end in 2175 after Sol beats the shit out of Justice then Ky Kiske and the Holy Order seal her in in some dimensional prison from which she escapes in 2180 only to find death in Sol´s hands again.


Sol is a Prototype Gear, which is the reason Justice wonders how he could resist her control, since Justice was a Commander-type Gear and could manipulate all mindless, subservient Gears to do her bidding. The answer is that, that because Sol is just a Prototype, her ability to control other Gears doesn´t apply to him. That´s why Dizzy, the only Commander-type Gear alive, is considered to be so dangerous.


So Sol would be actually around his 190-somethings.


And as I previously sad a lot of GG cast a just mere human martial artists with extensive usage of Ki energy, and some of them could still give a Sol a good, close fight. Like Ky or Anji.
Also Akuma trained with Satsu no Hado for 35-40 years(in SFA2 he supposed to be 45-50). And look what he can do!!! If Ryu defeated Akuma(if not Akuma would surely killed him) and took Satsu no Hado path, that would mean that in 2176 it is some thing like 150 years of Satsu no Hado training. So Ryus SnH power = Akumas SnH power x 3….
One Blow=whole Planet????


The whole idea of Ryu obtaining Oro´s powers just to fight Sol in 2180 is pretty dumb. Have them fight each other as in their respective games´s prime and make it a dream match. It´s still a huge mismatch for Ryu, but at least it would make more sense.

[Apathy-Inc]

Fanboy alert....
Man, most of the GG fighters are just normal humans with martial artists skills -> Ky, Anji, Biken, Chipp, Venom, Bridget, Axl, May, Jam, Potemkin, Johnny etc... Those fighters story vise are no match for Slayer who is a vampire. Vampire=DarkStalker. In GG plot Slayer is one of the strongest, may be even number one. So the regular DarkStalkers could easily fight regular GG universe fighters. Needless to say that Zappa actually have more in common with a darkstalkers than with a regular GG fighters. So the point is that Bishomen, Talbain, Victor etc. are a good match for normal GG fighters story vise. And Demitry, Pyron, Jedah would be in Top Tier/God Tier in GG universe just like Slayer.
Vega has a Claw, Rolento has stick, knifes and even grenades , and still Ryu can beat them at any day of the week…
That's what I said...GGX characters can match DS characters.
SF characters cannot.
Potemkin isn't normal, and you're forgetting about all the blacktech, and forbidden magics, and Jinki that allow any of these fighters to be able to stand up to Gears, which are superior to most humans aka Street Fighters.
Claws and sticks are nothing like the above mentioned, that point makes no sense.
http://thegearproject.org/projects/plotfaq_magitech.html#jinki

Quote from Tiamat Street Fighter Plot Guide -> «Street Fighter 3 Third Strike (Probably 1998, and possibly 1999. This is SF3DI's epilogue)»
Of course it is hypothetical, the whole Sol vs Ryu fight is hypothetical in first place.
Coz it is just the way all the dreammatch/crossover plots works. It is a time travel or universe reach the time when such match is possible.
No, it's hypothetical, you don't need a convincing explination of why or how they would be fighting, they just are.
Actualy it was an island. And it happened in A2. Here the quote from Tiamat Street Fighter Plot Guide -> «Street Fighter Alpha 2: Gouken's student, Ryu, has tracked Akuma down, and challenges Akuma as a fighter. Akuma, always looking for worthy foes, tests Ryu's mettle at his island, Gokuento. Akuma is very impressed by Ryu's skill, and tells Ryu about the Satsu no Hadou power within Ryu. He wants that power to awaken within Ryu, and tells Ryu that once it does, Ryu should seek Akuma out again so they could have a real match [Official]. Akuma then forcefully slams his fist into the ground, and the island of Gokuentou sinks into the sea, with Ryu escaping just in time
[Conjecture from Ryu's SFA2 ending].»
So the point stays. During A2 time(1988) Akuma could destroy an island with one blow. So it would take a 6-7 blows to sink the whole Japan. He don’t need an army or something.
He sunk the island, he didn't explode it with his fist like he did the mountain. Which, btw, took a loooooooot of concentration.

Ok… Lets see how old are Sol. In 2099 he joined Gear Project which supposedly give him his power and make him Immortal. He is not a Gear coz he was human once he is just a regular man imbued with some Magic power on which all GG universe are based. And thats why Justice could not control him as all normal Gears. Since that time he didn’t changed a bit so at look on his face you can give him probably 25-27. His birth day is some where in 2074-2073. In 2175 Sol killed Justice(sorry, my first date of 2144 was false). And the fight between Sol and Ryu is supposed to happen in 2176-2179???
Ryu birth day is 1964 July 21. 2176-1964=212 of training… Ok not 212, he starts to train when he was 4-5 years old, so it still 208 years of training. And Sol 2176-2073=103 minus childhood it is 99 years of training. 208>99 . So the point of far superior Ryus fighting experience stays…
See, this is why I hate these discussions. Q. Who is Frederick? Who is Sol?
A. Frederick is the man who became the prototype Gear, in 2016. After undergoing his transformation, he donned his headgear, which is actually a Gear Cell Control-type device (to suppress his Gear nature) and disappeared. However, he kept "That Man", one of the researchers of the Gear Project and the creator of Justice, in his sights. When That Man began work on Justice, Frederick began work on the Outrage. He also saved Kliff from a Gear attack when Kliff was only 6.

Decades later, Kliff recruited a certain "Sol Badguy" into the Holy Order. It was this Sol that was responsible for the sealing away of Justice (in Justice's Story Mode Ending in GGXX), and after Justice's escape five years later, the destruction of Justice (in GG). Presenting himself as a bounty hunter, he nevertheless revealed himself to Justice as the proto- type of Gears, and therefore, as Frederick. Later on, he began hunting other Gears, though once he found Dizzy, for reasons still unexplained he did not kill her as he had killed others. (DA pg. 226, 229, GG, GGX, GGXX)
Sol is also over 150 years old.
http://thegearproject.org/projects/plotfaq_char.html#old
http://thegearproject.org/projects/timeline.html
http://thegearproject.org/projects/plotfaq_sol.html#who

And as I previously sad a lot of GG cast a just mere human martial artists with extensive usage of Ki energy, and some of them could still give a Sol a good, close fight. Like Ky or Anji.
Also Akuma trained with Satsu no Hado for 35-40 years(in SFA2 he supposed to be 45-50). And look what he can do!!! If Ryu defeated Akuma(if not Akuma would surely killed him) and took Satsu no Hado path, that would mean that in 2176 it is some thing like 150 years of Satsu no Hado training. So Ryus SnH power = Akumas SnH power x 3….
One Blow=whole Planet????

End of the big stupid post. :confused:
Ky can't give Sol a close fight, neither can Anji. Slayer, I-No, Raven, Dizzy and That Man could, if not outright beat him.

See, we're talking about "What if Sol fought Ryu", not "what if Ryu lived to be over 200 years old and gave into Satsu no Hado blah blah bliggity blah". So knock it off already. I'm sure if Ryu was hit by a meteor and gained the powers of Pyron after a million billion years of training he could beat anyone.
You're essentially conceeding the point anyways if you have to try and beef Ryu up with a bunch of alternate reality possiblities just to get him old enough to fight Sol in real time.

Edit: Above poster said it better.

[Valen]

ok, ok %))) I am defeated and bow to youre all mighty forum skills %)))
It seams like future tech beats martial arts. So sad...

See, we're talking about "What if Sol fought Ryu", not "what if Ryu lived to be over 200 years old and gave into Satsu no Hado blah blah bliggity blah". So knock it off already. I'm sure if Ryu was hit by a meteor and gained the powers of Pyron after a million billion years of training he could beat anyone.
ahem.. Good idea. Why I didn’t figured it out by myself %))) No room for some crazy ideas now days?! %)))

Ok, I understand the point. If Sol(GGXX#R)vs Ryu(SF3:3S) fight somehow would happen Sol definitely would defeat Ryu. Mere human martial artist even the best one, could not stand a chance against a god like creature.

Thanks for the all useful GG universe info.

[Sagatryu]

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/sfa2ryu.htm

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=41950&highlight=invincible

of course Akuma, Oro and Gill are probably the only Sfers that could destroy armored divisions like
a knife through butter

Ryu can beat the Following

1 a pack of wolves

2 a tiger

3 a polar bear

4 a grizzly bear

5 a lion

6 a croc

7 a elephant

8 Gangs with hand guns / submachine guns ( since he is fast enough to dodge bullets)

9 Gangs with swords

10 2000 skilled martial artists of shadaloo

11 shadaloo soldiers with grenades.

12 sliverback Gorilla

[Aeshma]

Uh, the first two links don´t work.


Man, that´s a huge Red herring. I never said that Sol is or should be considered invincible, I just said that pitting Sol against Ryu would a huge mismatch for Ryu.

[Rhio2k]

Hey...it's said that Justice's armor is just a suit/mech...any pics of her without it?

[Sagatryu]

of course Ryu against Batsu is a huge mismatch for Batsu hell Bastu could gang up on Ryu with Kyosuke and Hinita and it still would be a huge disadvantage for Bastu.

[Aeshma]

Hey...it's said that Justice's armor is just a suit/mech...any pics of her without it?


Not that I´m aware.


of course Ryu against Batsu is a huge mismatch for Batsu hell Bastu could gang up on Ryu with Kyosuke and Hinita and it still would be a huge disadvantage for Bastu.


Please remain on topic.

[Instructor]

goku is the strongest! end topic!

[Civic Si]

Someone said GAME prime?

Ryu from XSF owns any GG person period, or any other Capcom char as well. In fact, that Ryu easily beats everyone in any fighting game, except:

Storm Marvel 2 (MVC2 chars 1 on 1)
Sent Marvel 2
Cyclops XSF (same as XSF Ryu- one grab, and youre done)
Ryu 3S (with ALL system directions, 9 meters)

^^^Are the only ones 1 0n 1 that have a shot against GAME prime Ryu. Storm and Sent can fly away, Cyclops XSF is just as brutal with grab into inf, and 3S Ryu with all super arts, cahins and shit is just BROKEN to shit (overheadxSSRK, land Denjin, release *STUN* 4 hit magic seriesx SSRK= GGPO)

[tenchi03]

This is off topic but someone metioned that Oro may teach Ryu the secret of immortality. Is Oro immortal? He has not been actively training for the past fifty years so could that explain why he looks so old?

[Psycho_Ryu]

he isnt immortal, he has trained so much he is strong enough to live longer, though he will die soon so he needs a successor.

[tenchi03]

Is Akuma also aging at a decreased rate?

[gabrielzero]

How about that crazy dude from SF EX. Garuda? He'll be more of a match for sol badguy. [ the dude formed from the souls killed by the dark hado]

[ryu_5141]

I thought SF:EX wasn't cannon... anyway, Garuda is the source of satsui no hadou so who knows...

[Dark Hadou]

Is Akuma also aging at a decreased rate?

Akuma aint even human. hes on another level now maube he is immortal. who knows

[hanz0]

akuma and ryu are too over-rated :confused:

[gabrielzero]

I thought SF:EX wasn't cannon... anyway, Garuda is the source of satsui no hadou so who knows...

Yeah but this is capcom. The story line has been a mess for awhile. Cannon wise then I'll have to go with Akuma or Gill.
Sol badguy might be too much for oro.
SF alpha's Bison is pretty good too with the power of psyco power bursting from him.
http://undergroundentrance.hp.infoseek.co.jp/material3/SMMvsCOP.jpg

[Archer V2.0]

Ryu: can SUPER jump
can throw fireballs
can do slow ass tatsumaki
can do shoryuken that is stuffed by chun's b+fierce
can throw out 5 hit fireball
can throw out unblockable fireball
can do an extended grab
can do damaging shinshoryuken
cant rush that shit down

Sol:
can super jump AND double jump
can jump THEN AIR DASH
can throw fireballs (kinda)
can do a bunch more moves that involve kick that are rather fast
can do a shoryuken that has invincibility frames, and cannot get stuffed.. + its on FIRE
can cancel his moves to keep attacking
has a GROUND SRK (grand viper)
can go into crazy mode where he attacks even faster than he usually does
has a craptastic super that connects easily after a blocked wall kick (hah)
CAN rush that shit down
CAN cancel moves to KEEP RUSHING THAT SHIT DOWN

Sol>Ryu

but

Pink Robot>Sol

but

Pink Sean > Pink Robot

[ryu_5141]

That's the point...

Sol Is a freakin gear for cryin out loud... Plus, he uses only a fraction of his power and STILL beats the hell outta everyone in the Guilty Gear universe. I wouldn't be surprised if he used his full power ONLY during his fight with Justice...

Ryu would be able to take on the other charecters of GG I suppose... like Ky, Chipp, Etc. (and maybe Dizzy... Ky was able to defeat her..)

[Apathy-Inc]

Ryu could beat Bridget and May. Probably Johnny and Axel too. Any human he could go up against.
But none of the tier 1 or 2 characters.
Probably not any of the the Black tech or forbidden magic characters either.

[Aeshma]

Probably not any of the the Black tech or forbidden magic characters either.


I´m sure that Ryu could go up against Potemkin. He´s not that all out of the ordinary. Zato and Millia are another thing, though.

[ryu_5141]

hey which category does I-no fall in??

[Aeshma]

hey which category does I-no fall in??


Category 1, I guess.

[ryu_5141]

no I meant class: Human/Gear/Forbidden Magic/Outrage weilder/Blacktech

e.g:
Human: May
Gear: Sol
Forbid: Zato
Outrage: Ky
Blaktech: Potemkin

[Apathy-Inc]

She's not a gear, and my guess is just a very very powerful human.
That's all that's known until the next game.
(she can time travel, works directly for That Man, and can survive a fight with Dizzy in a murderous rage)

@Aeshma: Ryu had trouble with Hugo, right? I think it's safe to say that Potemkin is much much stronger than Hugo. Also, that thing around his neck? It's used to keep his power in check.

[ryu_5141]

Maybe we should start a new thread on the storyline of GG itself..

[Apathy-Inc]

I don't recommend it. This is a a forum about the Street Fighter Comic, and we've got enough off topic threads as it is.

Plus, we've already gone over the whole GGX story.
If you wanna do your own research, try here.
http://thegearproject.org/projects/plotfaq.html

[Aeshma]

Aeshma: Ryu had trouble with Hugo, right? I think it's safe to say that Potemkin is much much stronger than Hugo. Also, that thing around his neck? It's used to keep his power in check.


Actually, the thing around Potemkin´s neck is a bomb. Every slave worker in Zepp had one to keep them in line and avoid uprisings. Gabriel removed the bomb from Potemkin´s collar after the coup d´etat was succesful, but he stills wears it as a remindful of how strong he came to be, or something like that.

[The_Dragon]

Ryu could not defeat anyone in the Guilty Gear cast. The power levels are simply too different.

[ryu_5141]

Nah... the power levels of the human fighters and SF'ers are comparable..

Justice,I-NO, Sol and dizzy fall into the above-human category so maybe equal to the god tier charecters of SF (ORO,Gill, Gouki)

[skot]

random thought:
in 3s when using ryu, when he talks to ken, he says he has the better win record.
that could mean that ken HAS beaten ryu, but ryu wins more often.

[ryu_5141]

Yeah Ken has beaten Ryu... The most important victory being the one during SFA2 when he gives Ryu the red headband...

[nortlee]

That's right and though not Canon, as portrayed in SF2 TAM probably a few times in their childhood sparring too, he was also was defeated by Ken and Sakura in Alpha 3 as Psycho Ryu wasn't he?

I'd say personally that because the fighting game mechanics are different, none of the Street Fighters could take on the Guilty Gear cast, there's many more huge advantages with them, mostly speedy techniques and the basic commands...

[Stadic]

ehhh...nah I'd put my money on Street Fighter Chars. I think that they are much stronger.

[Shinomori]

Sol never uses his full power until he unleashes Dragon install anyway.

JP

P.S. I don't know why I replied to this thread ; ;.

[The Mullah]

sol is quite possibly gay?

ryu wins then.

[Dasrik]

I'm going to just make this clear now.

Sol Badguy is not gay.
Also, he wins in a fight for free. Ryu go toasty.

[Sano]

Sol Badguy is not gay.


No, Sol might possibly be Gay. Read this page.

http://thegearproject.org/projects/plotfaq_char.html#sol

[Kuro]

I think Darkstalkers characters MIGHT be a bit stronger than even GG. Isn't it so that a low class D/C-ranking demon is equivalent to at least an army of human beings? If such a ranking is that strong, imagine how much more powerful S-class demons like Morrigan (Completed) and Jedah are.

But then, nobody ever saw Sol 100 % so I won't discredit him.. You know Dizzy is damn strong with her outrageous S++ ranking. And so is Sol, and Slayer.

Ryu sucks. He couldn't even beat Baiken ,the one armed swordswoman. sans sword. That's how badly Ryu would get his ass kicked.

[Sagatryu]

Well he doesn't have the mountain destorying and island sinking God like powers of Akuma who could easly kill ryu off if he want to.

I really wouldn't discredit Ryu just because he gets beat by Oro it's Oro for chist shakes this guy has god like powers so of course ryu's going to lose to him. ( if Oro used both his arms he could solo the rest of the street fighter cast easly minus Gill and Akuma.)

I Say that Akuma , Oro and Gill are all as strong as a entire army when not holding back.

now you ask for the power difference between Akuma's and ryu's moves well here's the answer.

Ryu can kill somebody with his Fireball if he want to while Akuma could destory a mountain with his if he want to.

Ryu could kill a person with his dragon punch if he want while Akuma could slice a mountain in half with his dragon punch if he want to.

[Dasrik]

No, Sol might possibly be Gay. Read this page.

http://thegearproject.org/projects/plotfaq_char.html#solI read that, and the begrudged admiration between Sol and Ky should never be misconstrued, suggestive artwork notwithstanding.

[Apathy-Inc]

As I understand it, Sol Badguy is based off of Daisuke, the creator. He even does the in-game voice for Sol.
And it's an unfounded rumor, but I heard that he was gay. So it's quite possible Sol is too.

Now, having said that, I want someone to explain to me how the hell that makes a difference in anything?
And after that, explain to me why this thread is still alive? This was decided a loooooong time ago.
GGX > SF
Power level/story wise.

[Sagatryu]

How much damage can a mini-nuke cause because that's how powerful Gill's Seraphic Wing is.

The largest mini-nuke is equal to 5,000 tons of TNT with a one mile wide blast


Gill >>>> than Oro = to Akuma >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryu

I am only compare the power level difference between Gill, Oro Akuma and Ryu.

Gill ( city busting range), Oro and Akuma ( destroying mountains and sink small islands range) Ryu ( 10 ton range)

[gabrielzero]

I think Mr karate is the strongest. He has a bigger nose then every one that was metioned so far. :wow:

He'll just poke everybody's eye out!

and you better watch out when Dan's father tams up with him....ooohhh boy. The real Deadly Alliance :nunchuck:

[Kuro]

Okay. Back everything up.

1. Where in the world was there a rumor that Ishiwatari is gay?

2. Where is the source of Gill's Seraphic Wing being that damn powerful?

[Apathy-Inc]

If I had the source, it wouldn't be an unfounded rumor.

[DragonSama]

So I guess the question is now

If Gill, Akuma or Oro fought Sol who would win?

[gabrielzero]

Gill ... as of now.

Love your Avatar.

[DragonSama]

Thanks m1x4h Made it for me.

And why would Gill beat Sol? I always Viewed Gill on about the same Level as Justice.

[gabrielzero]

Okay I admit it. I don't know crap about guilty gear.

[Sagatryu]

There's no source just a speculation that The Damned made based on Akuma's power level

originally post The Damned

And, now, actually getting to Gill. The reason that I think ki could be a category unto itself is that it would specialize in gathering and using large amount of ki...quickly.

The chief "evidence" of possible ki category comes in two simple yet devestating words: Seraphic Wing.


Think about it. Besides adding to Gill's obvious religious purpose and influences, it subtly speaks of Gill's power. Even in-game, it is THE Dreaded Move. Everyone freaks out when that bastards flies--quickly--to the center of the screen before, without any obvious charging besides the super animation, releasing -Angelic Death-.

Now, think about the how much damage that does in-game blocked.
Think about, if you've ever been unfortunate to be with it, how much life you lost.

Think about how the weaker Akuma was able to sink an island with a single punch and destory Ayer's Rock with a single attack.


Think about the fact that Oro is still, without a doubt, inferior to Gill while trying to imagine the expotential power that a "true" Yagyu Domou (if that's what the EX version of the orb super is called) probably possesses.


Then, finally, realize that such a power is still dwarfed by the mini-nuke* that is unavoidable Seraphic Wing.

Gill can neurtalize Sol's flames since he can create and destory fire, but that would just mean that Sol would have to just do a good old fashion beat down.

[Dasrik]

Daisuke may or may not be gay, but 95% of SRK is secretly gay anyway so they think everyone's gay.

[ZERO Shift]

Sol never uses his full power until he unleashes Dragon install anyway.

JP

P.S. I don't know why I replied to this thread ; ;.
I heard that he still wasn't at full power on Dragon Install. Thought, that was a while ago and the info could've been wrong.

[ryu_5141]

well, the headband is supposed to prevent sol's gear attribute from showing so I guess he won't be at full power unless he removes it..

[-* Ran Phan *-]

Sol...b/c he's pure cheesus christ.

[Donkus]

Daisuke may or may not be gay, but 95% of SRK is secretly gay anyway so they think everyone's gay.
:lol:

^ Post of the year. ^


P.S. EDIT
The fact that Ryu says cursewords during his moves is proof he'll take this match.

[1806pimp]

I think it would be a good match, ryu is not even a normal anymore so he'll be fine.

[K2Grey]

Dragon Install is 50% (he even yells that when he does DI).

But anyway, Sol was always better at duels and stuff like that. The one who is able to blow up tons of stuff with laser beams is Justice; I don't think Sol is capable of humongous explosions, but he is still alot better than Justice.

[Omega Evilx]

Sol would kill Ryu in a second. Why even ask this stupid question????

[1806pimp]

Calm down Omega Evilx, not everyone is going to agree with you that sol can beat ryu.

[Skyler]

Sol would kill Ryu in a second. Why even ask this stupid question????

OK, you just mention that sol can beat ryu, but dont have anything to show for it so are you basing Sol's power level off the Guilty Gear game and storyline??