Tekken Hori bundle March 15th (Gamespot)

[NiteWalker]

I'm gettin 2. One to keep as a collectible and the other to use. I actually might even take apart the stick and put the joystick and buttons (only 4) in a new case. Make it arcade authentic. Tekken doesn't need 8 buttons....

[Hellfromabove]

Man, I want this game so fuckin' bad. I keep checkin' t*rrent react*r to see if the torrent is up. Can't wait to dl. I'd buy the game but I am currently unemployed. Also gettin stuff for free is just as sweet. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

[Superking]

I'm gettin 2. One to keep as a collectible and the other to use. I actually might even take apart the stick and put the joystick and buttons (only 4) in a new case. Make it arcade authentic. Tekken doesn't need 8 buttons....

If you really want it to be authentic, then you'd just take the Sanwa stick out and order some Sanwa buttons for that custom.

The US T5 stick is the Original HRAP, so it has Hori stock buttons, and not Sanwa. :tdown:

Then again I'm not really complaining, if the buttons should annoy me I could always just replace them with Sanwas. :clap:

[trifecta]

If you really want it to be authentic, then you'd just take the Sanwa stick out and order some Sanwa buttons for that custom.

The US T5 stick is the Original HRAP, so it has Hori stock buttons, and not Sanwa. :tdown:

Then again I'm not really complaining, if the buttons should annoy me I could always just replace them with Sanwas. :clap:

so in essence you are saying the base HRAP and CFJ sticks have stock buttons too, right?

[Superking]

so in essence you are saying the base HRAP and CFJ sticks have stock buttons too, right?

Yeah, only the Japanese T5 HRAP and the new Special Edition Sanwa HRAP will have the Sanwa buttons along with the Sanwa stick (and the arcade button layout).

The US T5 HRAP is based on the original HRAP and CFJ HRAP.

[Gen-An]

It looks like the US T5 stick doesn't have the shaft cover, going by those pics of the bundle a few posts up.

[SoulCaliFreak]

I'll probably mod and sell mine. If that graphic can come off easily, I'll try to put a new one on. The flash stick from Byrdo and my modded Hori will be all I need.

[mastermind]

I ran a search and I couldn't find anything. If this is the original HRAP, with a Sanwa stick and random brand buttons; and the buttons are easily replaceable with Sanwa buttons, how exactly would you do it?

Do the button holes have to be widened? Is it a simple unplug the wire, take out the button, put the new button, plug the wire back in operation?

[Bucket]

I ran a search and I couldn't find anything. If this is the original HRAP, with a Sanwa stick and random brand buttons; and the buttons are easily replaceable with Sanwa buttons, how exactly would you do it?

Do the button holes have to be widened? Is it a simple unplug the wire, take out the button, put the new button, plug the wire back in operation?

I haven't tried it yet. But I have sanwa buttons and have cracked open the case. My CFJ has quick disconnects for the buttons. You pop out the buttons and plug in new ones. Then slide the quick disconnects on and your done. Not difficult. No drilling. You will have trouble opening the case cause there is a double casing. I haven't done it yet because the standard buttons really aren't that bad.

[Toodles]

Holy crap, I didnt realize it was THAT big. I'm glad its wide to fit my gaijin hands, but its really damned tall in that picture of it next to the SC2 stick. You could probably fit multiple PCB's in there with no problem.

Still itchin' to get mine; Picturing myself in the mall trying to sell of the extra copies of the game :)

[NiteWalker]

If you really want it to be authentic, then you'd just take the Sanwa stick out and order some Sanwa buttons for that custom.

The US T5 stick is the Original HRAP, so it has Hori stock buttons, and not Sanwa. :tdown:

Then again I'm not really complaining, if the buttons should annoy me I could always just replace them with Sanwas. :clap:

Ah I might do that. I thought the buttons were saimetsu??

[SiLLiEMutAfuKA]

I ran a search and I couldn't find anything. If this is the original HRAP, with a Sanwa stick and random brand buttons; and the buttons are easily replaceable with Sanwa buttons, how exactly would you do it?

Do the button holes have to be widened? Is it a simple unplug the wire, take out the button, put the new button, plug the wire back in operation?


I did it, TOO easy! Pop the bottom off, then you pop the top off, they're all quick disconnects, just unplug and replug them into the Sanwa buttons. I bought Screw-In buttons from Himuragames.com.

PIC (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/smf3/DSC05494.gif)

[Soul Survivor]

I did it, TOO easy! Pop the bottom off, then you pop the top off, they're all quick disconnects, just unplug and replug them into the Sanwa buttons. I bought Screw-In buttons from Himuragames.com.

PIC (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/smf3/DSC05494.gif)

looks nice

if i ever have problems with the buttons on the tekken 5 stick, i'll definitely change them to red sanwas if it's as easy as you're making it out to be...

it would be my first mod ever too, so it better be easy...lol...

[mastermind]

Awesome. Thanks sillie. I'll definitely try it out if I end up not liking the stock buttons on the T5 stick. :tup:

[trifecta]

Yeah, only the Japanese T5 HRAP and the new Special Edition Sanwa HRAP will have the Sanwa buttons along with the Sanwa stick (and the arcade button layout).

The US T5 HRAP is based on the original HRAP and CFJ HRAP.

So how is the quality of the stock buttons compared to something like the pelican(the only buttons I pushed).

[mattsu]

i hate to be the bringer of bad news but because of the size and wieght of the collectors edition tekken 5 bundle that gamestop cannot overnight it. which means unless namco sends the bundle to the gamestop warehouse before they send tekken5 that it wont arrive at gamestop until monday at the earliest. seeing as how gamestop does not recieve during the weekend.

sorry but theres a chance you wont get your bundle till monday =(

[Obot64.com]

well i just called gamestop and they said they had my order in right now. unfortunately its limit 1 :-(

[Huey_Nine]

Glad to hear that its in stock at Gamestop. That sucks about the limit one thing though. Oh well got to share the wealth I guess

[tuelpo]

I'm the first to defend the pelican, IF you want to mod it. The buttons on the pelican are far and away the worst part of the joystick. The actual joystick is passable but the buttons just ate my hand and rattle like a mother.

I would have to assume the saimetsu buttons are a significant step up.

[TwelveInchPenis]

EB called and my pre order came in.

[minmao]

Anyone got the ark book? Why my local Gamestop guy told me it is only for online ordering? :(

[tuelpo]

EB here in Denton TX is still a no go, If any Dallas-ites get theirs, please let me know so I can yell at the manager here. Me no likee.

[Rezo]

looks nice

if i ever have problems with the buttons on the tekken 5 stick, i'll definitely change them to red sanwas if it's as easy as you're making it out to be...

it would be my first mod ever too, so it better be easy...lol...

it is easy if its a RAP

because the wires are clipped on to the buttons instead of being welded

[futurevicviper]

looks nice

if i ever have problems with the buttons on the tekken 5 stick, i'll definitely change them to red sanwas if it's as easy as you're making it out to be...

it would be my first mod ever too, so it better be easy...lol...

Do you mean the US Tekken 5 stick? if so you will have to unsolder the buttons from the pcb, etc.

[mastermind]

Okay...now who's correct here? Is the US Tekken stick NOT a 1st-gen HRAP?

[SoulCaliFreak]

Just picked up my artbook, and the bundle is in at gamestop so I can pick it up tomorrow.

Honestly, I can't wait to start being a better Tekken player.

[futurevicviper]

Okay...now who's correct here? Is the US Tekken stick NOT a 1st-gen HRAP?

Some pics of the insides
here (http://pages.sbcglobal.net/clockworkorange/hori/)

[armad1ll0]

IC they cheap-ed it by using the plastic body stick instead of the JLF as found in the RAP.

Arm~

[futurevicviper]

I wonder if a JLF stick would fit without the metal bracket in the pre-drilled screw holes?

[Hwoarvang]

So any word on how Sanwa authenic the stick is?

[mastermind]

Eh. Doesn't look too bad. I'm usually pretty good on my joysticks. So if I do decide to mod this, it probably won't be until way down the line. Like when I actually do wear out the buttons. *shrug*

[tigerhobs]

That certainly looks like the stick that's in the Fighting Stick 2. All I have to say is... booo-urns! booo-urns! futurevicviper, I posted your link on the Tekkenzaibatsu forums since many will be interested. Gave you credit for 'em. If you want the link taken down, tigerhobs@hotmail.com or pm Castel on the tz forums.

[Vic Viper]

Just wondering if there's a "Made in Japan" label somewhere?

[mastermind]

So...


how easy would it be to Sanwa-mod this? :rofl:

[Craptastic!]

Gah! So the stick isn't a Sanwa?

Great. Now I have two Sanwa Octagonal gates with no stick to put them on.

[Soul Survivor]

Do you mean the US Tekken 5 stick? if so you will have to unsolder the buttons from the pcb, etc.

i see....looks like i'm not modding it then...lol

just to clarify - is that a sanwa JLF stick in there or a hori one? if not, is there a big difference?

[RXS]

no thats not a sanwa JLF.. thats a hori.. it's the same one that is in the T4 and SC2 sticks.. it's stil good.. i've never had a problem with them.. and i have both the T4 and SC2 sticks..i have an extra sanwa stick lying around from work (i work at an arcade) so i'm gonna throw that in there probably.

RXS

[DarkGiygas]

This is retarded...is it possible to cancel a preorder even though the bundle will be at EB tomorrow when I go?

I already have a Hori SCII and I'm not gonna pay another $70 CDN for something I already have.

[blueoakleyz]

so what is the difference in feel and quality (keeping in mind it isn't in an arcade environment and never will be, just me using it) of a Hori and Sanwa?

Also does anyone know if the Japanese version will be Sanwa? I'd have to find that out before I pay like 100+ to import one

[Hwoarvang]

Hmm....so we got screwed over....

Was really hoping for Sanwa parts or at least have quick disconnects to the pushbuttons. Disappointing.

T5 Stick = T4 Stick with 2 extra buttons. :rolleyes:

[Tha-Darkside]

Damn that sucks that the bundle has generic parts instead. It does make sense pricewise though, but I'm still surprised that they did that. I wonder if the japanese version will be the same as well in order to compensate for the low cost. I also noticed that the buttons will have to be desoldered from the board in order to remove, no quick disconnect route there. Putting sanwa buttons in will be more work than most had planned. In my opinion, I'd rather have the sanwa stick than the sanwa buttons though. I doubt I'd even use the stick, I mainly got it for collector purposes but finding this out just "cheapens" it for me, so it looks like I'll probly mod it to make it arcade worthy.

[Toodles]

asslickingpigsqueelingdogshittacobarbarastreisand. ....
(havent gotten mine, just going off of the pictures)
No only is it not sanwa parts, they decide to mount to the PCB instead of wires going to a nice neat small pcb. The stick mounting bracket only has holes in the middle, and not the edges like the HRAP, the holes are set at cardinal up/down/left/right, while the four mounting screws on the (non metal plate) sanwa are in the diagonals. AND, to top it off, the screw holes aren't even perfectly square; they look rotated 5-10 degrees.

Perhaps with access to a drill press and a bit for drilling steal, you could drill two holes at the right spots in the metal plate that comes with the sanwa stick, so it could be screwed into two of the existing screw holes in the top metal plate.

Damn, I'll have to think about this.

[futurevicviper]

I have no problem with anyone linking to the pics.

Even tough the stick inside is not a Sanwa, the bundle is still a great deal IMO. The stick does not feel bad at all, feels just like any other Hori.


That certainly looks like the stick that's in the Fighting Stick 2. All I have to say is... booo-urns! booo-urns! futurevicviper, I posted your link on the Tekkenzaibatsu forums since many will be interested. Gave you credit for 'em. If you want the link taken down, tigerhobs@hotmail.com or pm Castel on the tz forums.

[Stanman]

wow, i am ultra pissed. I was anticipating this for the past month or so and even bought an extra octagonal gate. What a load of crap.

[blueoakleyz]

how different does a hori feel from a sanwa stick?

[mastermind]

I've got enough money to burn if it comes to modifying this stick with Sanwa parts. Now if I only knew my way around a PCB of this magnitude. =P

[Toodles]

I've got enough money to burn if it comes to modifying this stick with Sanwa parts. Now if I only knew my way around a PCB of this magnitude. =P Or just remove it, and use a dualshock instead for better converter support. There should be MORE than enough room for it. Looks like there is enough room for a volvo inside that thing.

[Bucket]

Hey! Wheres that guy that did the early review and stated that the stick is a sanwa. Either he lied about having the stick or doesn't know jack about sticks. :lame:

[Superking]

Dammit, I knew this was too good to be true. :( :( :(

I should've just used the money for the REAL Sanwa HRAP, in the special edition version that comes out next month. :( :( :(

Someone better put out a tutorial to this sucker ASAP.

*gets his paypal ready to order sanwa parts from himuragames*

[Soul Survivor]

will the tekken 5 stick be any good for 2d games like 3S and guilty gear? if not then i'm cancelling my preorder...

i don't know the first thing about modding sticks, so i'm staying stock with this one...

[tigerhobs]

Damn, too bad the morings are different from Sanwa, otherwise this would be a really easy job. I'm just trying to conceptualize how to get a Sanwa in there w/o metal tools, but I can't. Damn, why couldn't this just be a simple pinch job. I wonder if a FS2 is easier to sanwa mod... leant it to a friend and he busted it, so maybe I can use the box for a sanwa stick... hmmm....

Anyways, 50 bucks for a Fightstick 2 PLUS (not RAP), yeah, I'll go for that. It just went from "deal of the century" down to "deal of the last few weeks."

I always liked that stick anyways on the fightstick 2 (just the buttons were bad). Once you get used to them enough, you can do most rolling commands w/o touching the gate.

[Christ0pher]

On one hand I'm dissapointed but on the other hand I'm really not suprised (sp) that it's not real sanwa parts. Oh well I can always sell it to a friend/relative.

[Craptastic!]

I was pretty bummed about this until I realized I had some crappy Nuby multiplatform SC2 sticks. Looking at the PCB for the Nuby, it looks like it could be a fairly easy replacement job since the buttons are labelled, but this is assuming that the buttons on the Hori have microswitches.

Then again, I had to pay $155CDN per bundle.

[buttasuperb]

Sucks that it ain't Sanwa, but so far I'm really liking the stick, much more responsive than the Hori Fighting Stick ex.

Still a good deal, imo.

[Superking]

On second thought, I'm going to try and get my refund tomorrow and just use the money on the Special Edition Sanwa HRAP release that comes out in March.

Which means I won't be able to play 3S for awhile since my current PS2 stick is now busted. :sad: :sad: :sad:

EDIT: Just to clarify, this deal was a big let down for me because of the screw job that Namco did to us North American gamers. Also since I own a Japanese PS2, the Tekken 5 game bundled in it is useless to me anyway since I can't play it.

So I'm so going to get my refund tomorrow.

[SiLLiEMutAfuKA]

Some pics of the insides
here (http://pages.sbcglobal.net/clockworkorange/hori/)

Whaaaaaaaat?!

Dammit, I guess there really is no such good deals on Earth. A hori stick feels alot different than an actual Sanwa IMO. Man, I feel like refunding my pre-order..

Here's a pic of my HRAP's insides:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/smf3/DSC05498.jpg

[mastermind]

Or just remove it, and use a dualshock instead for better converter support. There should be MORE than enough room for it. Looks like there is enough room for a volvo inside that thing.

Good call, Toodles. I just might do that. I think I have a dualshock PCB running around here somewhere from my RO modding days. Haven't touched my soldering iron in a while, let's hope I still have enough solder.

AND I think I WILL put a car in there for good measure. :rofl:

[Huey_Nine]

So did anyone get their bundle from Gamecrazy yet? They said that they didn't know when they were getting theirs in but I assume it would be Friday...

[mastermind]

My local GameCrazy told me Friday. Just not what time. =\

[blueoakleyz]

ya same here

[blueoakleyz]

is the case for the thing metal?

[popo187]

I looked on the back and saw MADE IN CHINA, then I knew it was gg.

[Shadowhaxor]

What a freaking rip, though I kinda expected this anyway. Fuck.... At least they are selling the special cases on Ebay for the games, so I'll just cancel my pre-order and order a Hrap of the net. They way that stick is looking, its not even better than the Nuby SFAC stick or a pelican.

Thanks Namco~!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blueoakleyz]

What a freaking rip, though I kinda expected this anyway. Fuck.... At least they are selling the special cases on Ebay for the games, so I'll just cancel my pre-order and order a Hrap of the net. They way that stick is looking, its not even better than the Nuby SFAC stick or a pelican.

Thanks Namco~!!!!!!!!!!!!

Um what the hell?
WHY is it a rip off?
and do you realize how good Hori sticks are?

[Shadowhaxor]

Um what the hell?
WHY is it a rip off?
and do you realize how good Hori sticks are?

You call this good???

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/clockworkorange/hori/

You can't do crap with this. Better off saving 50 bucks and spending another 75 to get a real hrap.

[KnownasWolf]

I like the stick :pleased:

[tigerhobs]

What a freaking rip, though I kinda expected They way that stick is looking, its not even better than the Nuby SFAC stick or a pelican.

Thanks Namco~!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take that back, right now! lol, but seriously, no.

[angryliberal]

wow...i was so looking forward to my pre-order until now...maybe i xan hock it on ebay and get some money back for a real hrap...damn...

[Soul Survivor]

will the tekken 5 stick be any good for 2d games like 3S and guilty gear? if not then i'm cancelling my preorder...

i don't know the first thing about modding sticks, so i'm staying stock with this one...

also, has anyone tried this with a ps2-to-xbox converter yet? i just ordered a magicbox from play-asia, and i'm hoping it's compatible....

thanks

[DarkGiygas]

will the tekken 5 stick be any good for 2d games like 3S and guilty gear? if not then i'm cancelling my preorder...
It's ALRIGHT for 2d games...I've got a Hori SCII stick that I use for 3s and it plays decently. Since you're in Markham you could go to Pacific Mall and get one for $50 and it's the same controls that are in the T5 stick, except it's like 5x smaller.

[Soul Survivor]

It's ALRIGHT for 2d games...I've got a Hori SCII stick that I use for 3s and it plays decently. Since you're in Markham you could go to Pacific Mall and get one for $50 and it's the same controls that are in the T5 stick, except it's like 5x smaller.

yeah, i've seen the SCII stick...that thing is small...i like my sticks big and sturdy anyway, and my brother and friends will be the ones mostly using it....

i think i'll stick with the bundle then....thanks

what gate does the T5 use btw?

[Snowman]

I heard about this sanwa dilemma and since I'm UK I'm not gonna bother trying to get this stick. I already have a SCII Hori so I don't need a larger version of the same thing.

Anyone know when the Hori RAP Special Addition/Editions are out? I'm tempted to get the white/blue one.

[megaultrasuper]

FUCK!

FUCK SHIT DAMN!

This is a good stick, but it's not a sanwa. I'm not in the market for just a "good" stick. I am on the quest for a sanwa stick, and it looks like I'll have to buy an actual RAP.

[tuelpo]

It's a square gate still Soul.

March 31 Snowman.

[Soul Survivor]

thanks

i'm off to get the bundle!

[Snowman]

Thats good to know, thanks Tuelpo.

[ultra-magnus]

ooooh.... at first, I was kicking myself when I ordered the HRAP and on the same day found out that the Tekken stick was coming to the US. Now, I'm glad I got the HRAP.

But it would have been cooler if the Tekken5 stick was Sanwa. Let the people know what a true Sanwas stick feels like.

[buttasuperb]

What a freaking rip, though I kinda expected this anyway. Fuck.... At least they are selling the special cases on Ebay for the games, so I'll just cancel my pre-order and order a Hrap of the net. They way that stick is looking, its not even better than the Nuby SFAC stick or a pelican.

Thanks Namco~!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a shitload better than the SFAC and Pelican sticks.

[Superking]

Anyone know when the Hori RAP Special Addition/Editions are out? I'm tempted to get the white/blue one.

The white/blue one by the way is not a Sanwa, that one is a Seimitsu (sticks popular with shooters, but can still be used for fighting games and they're still good). The black/vermillion one is the Sanwa.

[m121akuma]

Can someone give me a breakdown of what exactly makes this so much worse than a HRAP? Can somebody rank this in comparison to X-Arcade, Mas, Pelican, HRAP, HFS2 and the SFAC stick, so we can get some objective analysis here?

[Snowman]

The white/blue one by the way is not a Sanwa, that one is a Seimitsu (sticks popular with shooters, but can still be used for fighting games and they're still good). The black/vermillion one is the Sanwa.
But the white and blue one is too pimp. Damn it

[WasFemto]

taken from the TZ forums

Misato post:

it's so impressive how many MORE people know the nitty gritty details about arcade control hardware than 5 years ago. That thread at Shoryuken is really spreading the knowledge.

thanks to JoeGamuu for linking me to this. Shoutouts to Shivan, Bronzefist (yea man, that's good ole Shivan Suffering back from the good ole days of SC1),Aris and Da Baek. homies.

I wanted to put up a statement to make it easier for people having a hard time making heads or tails of this thread.

The Hori T5 stick, is worth every penny they are charging for it. Since it uses Hori's class-1 components, it will be every bit as good as the Tekken 4 stick or the SC2 stick. If you like the 8 main buttons on the stick, then all the better.

If you have a sluggish American stick such as: X-arcade, Hotrod, Hanaho, Mass Systems, DIY job, you will find Hori sticks to be more sensitive, and more precise. So get the bundle.

If you already have a Hori stick you like (including of course, the Namco stick), then this won't be any real improvement, just a newer bigger stick. If you like bigger, rock on.

The Hori T5 stick is NOT like the ASCI FT2. It is a traditional square-gate stick, and does not have the octagonal feel of the FT2.
This stick DOES however, have all of it's buttons soldered into a central PCB that also contains the asic (by the looks of those pics anyway). This means it is by no means user replaceable. Doing any work on this stick will be just as difficult as it is to mod most other sticks, which really aren't meant to be replaced like those in an arcade cabinet.

If you are the 5% who are truly impacted in daily application between Sanwa parts and Hori parts, you already have the knowledge to do whatever mod you desire. So yes, you are dissapointed like me, but come on, it's $50. It always DID sound too good to be true.

For those people who think Himuragames is expensive, take a look at EMS or other international shipping options. Those prices are inline, and if you want further proof, I know a guy who bought Sanwa buttons from Betson (state arcade distributor), and they charged him about $8 PER BUTTON.

that's my $.02


I think people are making a big deal out of it. Some are probably just jealous so they hate on it also. Still waiting to pick my shit up. I would check the TZ forums in whole for the answer. The general consensus: This is an awesome buy. While it'snot Sanwa it's still damn good stick ecpicially for the price. The only people that are bitching are the ones who expected a Sanwa and didn't get it and the people not getting the bundle at all.

[SoulCaliFreak]

Well, this is sort of disappointing. Hori sticks still cost around that much right? I should've known that for that price I wasn't getting sanwa stuff. In any event, I'll try to mod it and then sell it.

Desoldering isn't the funnest thing to do, but it's not so hard with one of those desoldering braids either. Getting the Sanwa stick on? That's a whole other story for me. Wish I could cancel my order now, I'll see about it when I go pick it up today. I could spend $50 on something else for sure.

[Ryu_311Funk]

I dunno seeing as how I only have a Mas for DC and no Stick for PS2 I think this is a good deal. Sure it's not the best of the best, but it's really good. Im still going for my bundle in about an hour and a half :D

[tuelpo]

Just cracked mine open and played a lil' V4 with it. The only complaints I have are I think the stick is a tiny bit short, even for a J-stick. Also, the spring tension is too low for my tase on both the buttons and the stick. I think the buttons may just feel off because of the lack of microswitches (may be a physchosematic thing without the click.) As far as pure feel goes, I have to give the edge to my pelican with the full happs replcacements atm, mostly for the increaced tension of the stick, now if I would get of my lazy ass to rig up a square gate for it. Maybe once I figure out how to cram a sanwa stick in the T4 it will be better, but any moves requiring 6, 6 or 3, 3 double taps just felt sluggish.

The square gate is nice though, 4,3 and 6,1 were nice and smooth.

[Hwoarvang]

Is it possible to mod the stick so that you can have quick disconnects without replacing the PCB, or make it look like a real HRAP stick?

[tuelpo]

Well technically you could move the pcb and route wires to the board itself from some microswitched buttons. The real benefit of the case is the ability to house a small family of three in there, so mounting the pcb somewhere else in the case and rewiring shouldn't be a big issue; especially if you decide to just a ps pcb. The main issue stems from the hole alignment for a sanwa stick, not looking like an easy project currently, unless you have a drill press.

The reason you see so many pcb hacks for things like the namco and SC sticks are the limited space in the case. That's not an issue here, It will require a bit of poking around before a solution is reached, but as long as the Joystick mounting issue is solved, swapping for all sanwas shouldn't be excessivly difficult.

Of course this is just based off the pics I looked at last night, haven't opened the case up yet to poke around. Will do after work.

[ssbomberman]

Can someone give me a breakdown of what exactly makes this so much worse than a HRAP? Can somebody rank this in comparison to X-Arcade, Mas, Pelican, HRAP, HFS2 and the SFAC stick, so we can get some objective analysis here?

Well first off, if it matches the unmodded Namco, then it is a decent Japanese style stick, but comparing to to a Sanwa it feels softer and less responsive. The fake Japanese style sticks you find in Namcos and agetecs and Horis are just cheaper made with crappier microswtiches. They are softer and you have to dig more into the corners to get moves out IMO.

I have a modded sanwa Namco and a custom built sanwa and all I can say is, you barely have to move to register inputs. Sanwas are that precise. the Hori RAP has a standard Sanwa stick, so the response is really good, but the buttons are not Sanwa, they are more like the Dreamcast Agetec stick -- good, but not great. More pushy and less responsive. Real sanwa buttons are hairpin accurate, I mean you barely brush the sides of the button and it will register. There are no deadspots and the buttons are so flat and nice that everything just flows perfectly.

As for the others you mentioned, the difference is night and day because you are dealing with Japanese versus American style sticks and it depends what you like. A full competition or p360 Mas would probably be your best bet for American style, but they are much different than Japanese style.

[m121akuma]

Thanks to bomberman and WasFemto. I'll be picking up the stick then.

[vaioman]

just chiming in with my xbox converter results.
The one I got from walmart for $15 is about as close to lagless as I have seen with a converter. I don't remember the brand, but it's for xb and gc, probably on wm.com. EBGames sold them for a while as well, but not any more I don't think. The Joybox was horrid. Over a second lag, felt like I was walking through lava. Unfortunately the good one does not have a memory card slot, so no chatting, unless there's some way to use a second controller w/headset.
Here's a pic of the two, so you can distinguish them.
http://members.cox.net/zzoll/converter.jpg

[buttasuperb]

i noticed no lag with the magicbox.

[SpiffyShoes]

Well Pickled Potato Heads now what am I going to do. I was hoping to sell the stick to help compensate for the price of T5. Should have done more research. Now that I go and look at ebay I haven't seen a single HRAP sell recently except one which sold for $40. Yet people are paying $100 + for SF: Aniversery sticks which can be picked up at EB for $49. :( Do you think any one would be willing to pay $150 for one of these sticks if I modded it with sanwa parts and a Sony Dual Shock PCB for better compatibility? Maybe I should just see about canceling my Pre-Order and doing without T5 untill it goes down in price.

[WasFemto]

Just got back from the store. Forgot to ask for the artbook. No biggie tho'. Got what I wanted.


The arcade stick is very light, not as heavy as I thought it would be. Compared to the Pelican, everything on this just seems small and compact...which I like. THANK GOD this shit is not loud like the Pelican Universal Arcade or the Green Goblin. I use those as a point of reference since those are the only console stick I have played with. Right now I am in pratice mode just fucking around. The stick is very responsive and just moves smooth. So for what it's worth so far from a stick n00b. I give it a :tup:

Can't wait to check this out with VF.

[minmao]

Just picked two of the units I pre-ordered, one from EB, and one from GS.
I dont really need the game. I m not a huge tekken fan.
So I opened the box at EB and traded it in. The price is not too bad, $30. And I aslo had a GC game I didnt need in my car, so I aslo traded that in. EB has a promotion, so I got $10 extra. So basicly it was 100+6(tx)-30(trade in for t5-2 (trade in for my gc game)-10(bonus)=64 out ot the door. Not bad for a brand new Hori stick. (I paid more for a SCII)
At gamestop, they refused to give me the artbook (they said they didnt receive it...fuck them). But again I sold the game to a guy for 45 in the store. So it is 60 dollars out of the door. Even better.

I know it is just Hori parts. So what the heck? I am not a good fighting game player anyway, and most arcades I have played have sticks and buttons even worse than Pelican and Nuby. I am very happy with my purchase.

[SoulCaliFreak]

$150 for a modded one huh? I'd pay about $100, maybe $120, but I'm new to modding. I'm not sure how much my time should be worth. Parts would run about $50 for buttons and a stick to swap out, and a dual shock pcb for around $3-$12. The case is already made, but worth something I suppose, so then it just comes down to how much your time is worth.

F' it, I'd pay $150 if it was from you Spiffy, but if I did the mod, I'd charge about $100-120 at the most, only because I'm not a pro yet.

UPS didn't get in yet at my gamestop, so I'll have to pick up after work.

[tuelpo]

Hey spiff we live close enough and I'm really not concerned about the game. I'ld be possibly willing to trade for some parts if you have some sanwa spares. I'ld like to play the game a tad 1st so I can bitch about how it's not vf4 1st though. I dunno, I'll think about it more at class..... away!

[RPGv2]

just got mine today and I can confirm that It works with the DC Innovation adapter...tested it on mvc2 and cvs2 and noticed no lag...tri-jumps worked flawless and for cvs2 painting/shoshosho/RC elec etc...worked good for me :tup:

[Gen-An]

Whaaaaaaaat?!

Dammit, I guess there really is no such good deals on Earth. A hori stick feels alot different than an actual Sanwa IMO. Man, I feel like refunding my pre-order..

Here's a pic of my HRAP's insides:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/smf3/DSC05498.jpg

Another look at disassembly of the HRAP: http://www.geocities.jp/u3q_yusaku/rap.html

[WasFemto]

Real sanwa buttons are hairpin accurate, I mean you barely brush the sides of the button and it will register.

This is what the T5 arcade stick buttons do for me :encore: Playing VF4 on this shit is beautiful :tup:

[DragonSama]

This stick feels better than the Namco one to me. So I am keeping it a while. It might not be my main stick (I am still building that one) but is a good one to have when you have some friends over.

[KnownasWolf]

Btw does any one know if you can just swap for a sanwa octagon gate.

[tuelpo]

I won't get to bust mine open till I get off work, but I would have to doubt it.

I'm gonna get out the old tape measure and see If I can just JBweld a mounting plate to the underside of the metal panel to slap a sanwa in.

-tuelpo

[drzero7]

Dang it. I'm hearing the T5 stick is a Hori, and a squaregate. I personally hate squaregate. So might as well change it to Sanwa directional stick while I change the squaregate thingy into Octagonal if I'm still gunna buy this.

So,

http://www.himuragames.com/store_joysticks.php

If I buy "JLF-TP-8Y", I can change the T5 Hori into Sanwa right? And does this JLF-TP-8Y a squaregate or octagonal? (cause if it's squaregate, I'll need to buy the octagonal upgrade one along with it.)

Or maybe I should just fix my broken ASCII stick into Sanwa octagonal instead... (The directional button is stuck on "up". My friend said changing the directional button is the only option.)

The buttons are fine... I just personally loath squaregate.

[KnownasWolf]

I only like sqaure gate when I play ST for Guile.

[aLee]

I got my tekken bundle today and its freaking amazing. Tekken 5 itself is an amazing game, and the joystick is l337. But those bastards at gamestop didnt gimme my art scrap book ;[. Ill post pics later if i can find my webcam cd.

[tuelpo]

No Drzero, currently no one has posted a manner that you can mount the sanwa into the metal without a drill press. The holes are misaligned.

I'll bust it open tonight and see what I can scheme, And it will still be 5 times more exciting than playing Tekken5 :).

[Outkast]

No Drzero, currently no one has posted a manner that you can mount the sanwa into the metal without a drill press. The holes are misaligned.

I'll bust it open tonight and see what I can scheme, And it will still be 5 times more exciting than playing Tekken5 :).

Can you check if you can swap in sanwa buttons easily as well? :smile:


yay,
Mike

[drzero7]

So the joystick swapping will take ALOT OF WORK to replace huh.... (To make the stick fit in...)

Mmm... maybe I'll just **** it and cancel the 100 buck bundle. The ONLY DIFFERENCE between the 100 dollar and the 50 buck is the stick right? (I mean, you get the rest like the artbook and such) Cause if the stick is the ONLY thing different between the limited edition and the regular... I'm switching from what I'm hearing...

And yeah, gamestop is being gay. I'm re-pre-ordered at EB games cause they're not giving out artbook. (They had no clue when I asked like 1 week ago, and now they don't have it.)

[angryliberal]

gamestop = big time gay. i pre-ordered my bundle a while ago and it is only in the proccessing stage...last time i ever order or buy form gamestop, horrible service...

edit: just found out my order for the bundle is on back order at gamestop...f these guys. i cancelled my order, i can just go to a local store and pick one up...but f it, got out of buying a glorified sc2 stick...

[armad1ll0]

Tekken 10th Anniversary stick + Sanwa JLF = Win....
pictures when I get home...

[Toodles]

You're my hero, Arm. I can't wait.

[mastermind]

I just played on this T5 stick for a good 7 hours. I thought this would cure me of "can't-do-wavedashes-facing-right"-itis, but guess not. :rofl:

I like it. I have a feeling I'll wear out the buttons on this stick though; just like I did with the ASCII FT2. *shrug*

Can't wait to see what Arm can do with this stick. :tup:

[tehownage]

Wavedashes, you playin' Smash with the stick?!

[Bucket]

Went to EB (SA TX) today to cancel order. I noticed they had a stack of two tekken bundles behind the counter. I got the money back I put down for the reserve. I'm happy with my current CFJ HRAP but it would've been nice to have two sticks of the same quality.

[armad1ll0]

Am I first on the block with this one?
I was condidering going the Flash route but decided that this was quicker to get pictures up and online.

The only clue I'll give to mounting the JLF is for those that are "in the know." I tip my hat as I often use what I call "spiffyshoe's method" to now mount JLF's to Hori sticks.

1) These are china built with Hori RAP tooling. I found the manufacturing good but some of the mountings for the original stick had the threads all stripped out when I got it. Poor quality control compared to the RAP (japanese built?)

2) You can create a RAP feeling stick with the right technique. It's also what I would consider a better mounting to the stick. This is because the RAP is what I consider too low. The JLF body does not bolt up to the top plate. There's a considerable gap. In this example here it's closer by the thickness of the JLF mounting plate. I mounted the plateless JLF right to the spot welded flanges.

3) The tops are missing the plastic finish of the RAP and SC2 sticks. This is good because those plastic finishes tend to scratch really easy. I think that this stick will be a bit more durable.

4) Yes all of those parts are going to be exactly the same type as you found on your other Hori sticks.

5) the T5 limited edition japanese stick is probably a RAP because of the fact that they also feature it with the shaft cover set. The US bundle stick doesn't have it. This is another way they cut corners to get to this price point. (compared to RAP)

http://www.geocities.com/armad1ll0/ebay/Tkn_10_RAP.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/armad1ll0/ebay/Tkn_10_RAP2.jpg

[tuelpo]

The old screw through the body I presume.

But I have a better question for you.
Where the hell is my drill?

[drzero7]

So it IS possible to swap the sanwa stick from himura site into T5 stick. Man there needs to be a whole freaking guide how to do this. (Cause I'm probably gunna do it. Along with many people who don't like Hori or squaregate or both.)

[blueoakleyz]

I got the stick earlier tonight and have been using it for a few hours
the people who swap it are crazy, it feels almost just like a Sanwa so I have no complaints there. The buttons are a little eh but not that bad

[mastermind]

Wavedashes, you playin' Smash with the stick?!

Eh?! Tekken is the game that COINED the term "wavedash". Oh, my bad, Crouch Dash Cancelling. Yeah. :xeye:

[armad1ll0]

"almost" only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear missiles.
When you always play on a Sanwa, there is no substitute.

New buttons in my desired color set are next to go in... give me a few days as I'm kinda busy...

Good thing I picked up two of these... I've got more ideas than time.

[Toodles]

My only questions about this: Does it require drilling (and I would assume tapping/threading) on the metal 'flanges' bracket? Will the screws using existing holes in the JLF black body piece, or will new holes need to be drilled into it?

I could probably answer these myself if I had a JLF to compare to, but mine are en route.

[Tha-Darkside]

I did this joystick swap for a buddy of mine today. It's pretty evident once you take the thing apart, took me all of 2 minutes to figure out. You won't need to drill any holes in the metal bracket, the jlf will mount to the bracket, but I did end up using shorter screws and very minor countersinking on the jlf body the way I did it though. I don't care to devote time in making a tutorial but all I can say is when you get your jlf, take it apart and you should be able to figure it out.

[futurevicviper]

I did this joystick swap for a buddy of mine today. It's pretty evident once you take the thing apart, took me all of 2 minutes to figure out. You won't need to drill any holes in the metal bracket, the jlf will mount to the bracket, but I did end up using shorter screws and very minor countersinking on the jlf body the way I did it though. I don't care to devote time in making a tutorial but all I can say is when you get your jlf, take it apart and you should be able to figure it out.

Same here, once I took the Sanwa apart, I realized how easy it was to mount it. I drilled though the plastic restrictor, since I did not want all the stress when using the stick to be on the microswitches themselves.

[adaaaam]

I got the stick earlier tonight and have been using it for a few hours
the people who swap it are crazy, it feels almost just like a Sanwa so I have no complaints there. The buttons are a little eh but not that bad
Why is anyone talking about swapping the joystick out? it's a Sanwa stick, just like the one in the Tekken 5 machine. And the buttons aren't, so those are the only things people should be swapping..

[futurevicviper]

Why is anyone talking about swapping the joystick out? it's a Sanwa stick, just like the one in the Tekken 5 machine. And the buttons aren't, so those are the only things people should be swapping..

I don't understand, you're telling me this is a Sanwa stick?

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/clockworkorange/hori/hori5.jpg

The US Tekken 5 stick is not bad at all, specially for the price, but I like it much more now that I fitted a Sanwa in there.

[adaaaam]

Whoa, wtf is that, I got the impression it was a Hori Real Arcade Pro..

In that case it only looks like one, but different specs

[ONION BOY]

Anyone in the Houston area willing to mod a t5 stick? Don't get me wrong the stick is great, but I already have a hori stick. I would really like to have a different feel for this stick. Pm me with info.

[mastermind]

The true "mm-endorsed" test for these buttons is four straight hours of Just Frame practicing. Including all the anger that comes with not being able to do any of them. :rofl: So far, these buttons are taking what I can dish out. I still fear for their lives because of how similar they feel to the ASCII FT2 buttons (which I pretty much destroyed), so I'm gonna look into gathering supplies for some modding.

[yoooooon]

I don't understand, you're telling me this is a Sanwa stick?

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/clockworkorange/hori/hori5.jpg

The US Tekken 5 stick is not bad at all, specially for the price, but I like it much more now that I fitted a Sanwa in there.


WTF! that looks like the original namco stick joystick!!!!

do they have 2 productions lines for these?
one sanwa clones and one plastic joysticks?

AHHH I HAVE TO CHECK MINE NOW!

[DevilJin 01]

If you bought the US Tekken 5 bundle u = DA FUCKED and better mod that shit. :lol:

[turk1sh]

it seems as though my gamestop hasn't gotten any of the tekken bundles in yet.

they said they should have them in by monday, but i'm beginning to think they aren't going to any at all.

so much for that preorder...

[Stanman]

Can you take the redball top off of the hori clone and mount it on the sanwa stick? I already have a spare sanwa stick but not another balltop really.


Ok, so I am to understand that replacing stick = no skill
while replacing the buttons takes = mega skill?

[coN]

Anyone in the Houston area willing to mod a t5 stick? Don't get me wrong the stick is great, but I already have a hori stick. I would really like to have a different feel for this stick. Pm me with info.
PM'ed you on Zaibatsu.

[Obot64.com]

So whats the diffrence in the Sanwa and the defualt?

[KyPeN]

Yeah, I preordered at Gamestop with a $20 credit that I had. Now it says backordered. I called and they said they don't know when they will have them, when they will ship, if I am even guarenteed one, and if I were to cancel, they couldn't tell me whether or not I would get my $20 credit back. WHAT THE FUCK?! I couldn't be in a more pissed off mood right now.

[angryliberal]

Yeah, I preordered at Gamestop with a $20 credit that I had. Now it says backordered. I called and they said they don't know when they will have them, when they will ship, if I am even guarenteed one, and if I were to cancel, they couldn't tell me whether or not I would get my $20 credit back. WHAT THE FUCK?! I couldn't be in a more pissed off mood right now.

fuck gamestop...they better cancel my fucking order, i can't believe what a bs operation they run...

[KnownasWolf]

Some one should make a mini tutorial how to swap for a sanwa stick. I know most say it's easy but these are the same guys that always make sticks so it easier for you guys :sad:

Plus mods scare me but I want to swap sticks :pleased:


armad1ll0 can you post a few more pics. I see where the wires go but what did you sodder the red one to? I can't see in that pic.

[tehownage]

Yeah, I'd love having a tutorial on how to put in Sanwa stick since I've never modded and I'm scared to try it thinking I'll screw it all up.

[Taichi]

thinking about doing a mod, a tutorial would really help!

[Rezo]

So whats the diffrence in the Sanwa and the defualt?

what's the difference between a Ferrari and a Toyota? LOL


RAP is popular for its sanwa lever and the way its wires are connected (clips instead of welding, so its easier to modify)

If its not a sanwa, then u loses half of its value

[Hwoarvang]

I'd like a tutorial too. I think I've already got the basis of soldering and desoldering down.

I'm thinking about putting modifying the stick so it has quick disconnects too. Here's what I'm thinking:

1. Desolder everything.

2. Mount the PCB elsewhere inside the stick.

3. Install all Sanwa buttons and joystick.

4. Solder quick disconnect wires and joystick wires to PCB. Or are joystick wires also quick disconnects?

5. Plug all wires in and done.

[armad1ll0]

http://www.geocities.com/armad1ll0/ebay/Tkn_10_RAP3.jpg

[ssbomberman]

http://www.geocities.com/armad1ll0/ebay/Tkn_10_RAP3.jpg

Simply beautiful.

ssb

[N-Ken]

When you always play on a Sanwa, there is no substitute.


For marvel I like the stock T5 stick better than my HRAP, sanwa is overrated.

[CrotchMonkey]

i really want to buy sanwa buttons and pop them into my hrap but is it worth it? exactly how much of a difference is there? i was thinking of letting the current buttons die off before putting in fresh sanwa buttons in but if i can get a big difference id go for it..

[KyPeN]

Do you need to re-mount the PCB to just change out the stick but leave the buttons?

[Masahiko]

I too would very much like to hear the details of how to do this.

Overall I'm quite happy with the stick, but I worry about parts wearing out and I'd really like to make the stick as good as it can be. I was very disappointed to find out just hours before I went to pick up my bundle that the stick wasn't what people seemed to be expecting it to be.

I was very surprised originally to hear about the stick and that it was supposed to have some Sanwa parts. When I read what MarkMan has posted I thought it really might be true. In the end though, I'm enjoying the game and stick a great deal.

Like I said though, I'd really like to know how to swap parts if I ever need to or want to. It would be very cool to have a Sanwa.

Thanks

[mastermind]

How the heck did you guys get into the guts of this T5 stick? What wrench THAT small can fit around those nuts, and into that small space, no less?!

EDIT: guess I'm just too lazy to look in my toolchest. Haha found it. :tup:

[blueoakleyz]

I put one for auction for international sale
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8173727648

[ThyAllMighty]

i had the same idea too for ebay...but with the not up to par stick, do you think i should sell it right now, or wait for like 2 months? (i bought an extra bundle)

[blueoakleyz]

if you dont have to repay the money like i do lol definately wait

[JAMMAR]

Read the thread, but I just need to verify this:

Original RHAP / CFJ RHAP > T5 Hori

True or false?

[blueoakleyz]

it's true I think but really not by a big margin

T5quality margin to HRAP <<<<<<<<<< price margin to hrap
< meaning less than <<<<<<<<<<< WAY less than

[angryliberal]

^^i don't agree wiuth the above statement. the t5 stick is basically the sc2 stick pus 2 buttons. lemme tell you, i havce a sc2 stick and i played with the og stick in it for about 5 min before i put in a sanwa stick. there is a huge diff between the rap and the t5 stick. i picked up a hrap a few days ago, and it was 135 with shipping from play-asia. it was 111 for the t5 plus stick, and i don't even play t5, so for me, it was like spending 111 for a 50 dollar stick...

[Taichi]

I put one for auction for international sale
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8173727648

so lemme get this straight, the deluxe version COMES with all the games?!

[Toodles]

All versions of T5 include, on the same disc, ports of the arcade T1, T2, and T3. The bundle includes a fold out DVD style case, like the ones you see with TV season collections. It's empty, but is made to hold all of the console Tekkens released to date, 1-5 and TTag.

[blueoakleyz]

so lemme get this straight, the deluxe version COMES with all the games?!

yes that is correct
Tekken 1,2,3,5,Devil Within and Starblade

[Obot64.com]

Here is the big question,
What ps2 to Dreamcast adapters work with this stick for.

Mapping things correctly so it uses the last 6, and everything is already set to the standards sf configuration (no button swapping needed)

[Roguetide]

Hey, does anyone know how the T5 bundle stick compares to the old DC Agetec arcade stick?

They look almost like they use similar parts and setup, with but I'm no pro at judging this since I can't get my hands on one yet.

[KnownasWolf]

It's just like the agetec since I own both. Just has 2 more buttons and it bigger and heavier.

[Toodles]

Buttons on the T5 feel thicker, and seem to move around a bit more than I like; like the plunger is too small for the housings. Stick feel identical. Button layout is a little different than the agetec. If you use the rightmost six buttons, then the jab and short buttons are a little higher than where they would be on the agetec. If you use the leftmost button, the fierce and roundhouse buttons are higher than they would be on an agetec.

[ThyAllMighty]

To mod a jlf into the t5 stick, I think this is what you do, but I'm a noob, so please correct me.
-desolder the wires from the micro switches
-expose the directional wires
-crimp disconnects onto the wires
-put the jlf in and connect the disconnects onto the microswitches
The only discrepancy i have is 2 things, is just crimping disconnects onto the bent over wire bad, or should i solder the wire to the disconnect? Also the actual mounting of the stick...does the jlf have the same holes that the hori stick does so i can just mount it without having to drill holes in places i don't want to drill in?

[RPGv2]

Here is the big question,
What ps2 to Dreamcast adapters work with this stick for.

Mapping things correctly so it uses the last 6, and everything is already set to the standards sf configuration (no button swapping needed)

i'm using the "innovation" adapter...and it maps to the last 6 on default controller settings

[Roguetide]

It's just like the agetec since I own both. Just has 2 more buttons and it bigger and heavier.

Dumb question, but how much heavier are we talking? I love the DC agetec, but I also have a MAS which is way too damn heavy (and I put my knee through it last night in a fit of rage).

I guess what I'm saying is, would the T5 stick be reasonably comfortable on your lap if you found the DC agetec no problem (I guess your best estimate)?

And Toodles, thanks for the indepth analysis. Knowing that the sticks are identical was exactly what I was hoping to hear.

[Obot64.com]

i'm using the "innovation" adapter...and it maps to the last 6 on default controller settings


Where did you buy that sir? where can i order like 14? (for all my budys that have the stick)

[RushedDown]

i got 2 of the t5 sticks i think they work beautiful

[N-Ken]

Dumb question, but how much heavier are we talking? I love the DC agetec, but I also have a MAS which is way too damn heavy (and I put my knee through it last night in a fit of rage).


I dont directly have an Agetec to compare from right now, but if memory serves the HRAP is about in between in weight, maybe a little bit towards the MAS size. IMO it works perfectly in the lap, but I need a big based stick to use in the lap, ie I cant really use the Agetec in my lap too comfortably, I need a MAS or HRAP or something.

EDIT: Obot, there's another converter, Total Control Plus, which uses the same mapping(at least in the version I got) and is available from www.play-asia.com

Just remember you have to move the switch to get that config, theres three different settings.

[Obot64.com]

N-Ken, this is what you have right? (I just want to make sure before I order, and have about 20 dudes mad at me because I got the wrong thing)

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-t-15-Total%2BControl%2BPlus-70-en.html
I cant see a switch on this one from the pic... but I’ll take your word for it.
:tup:

[turk1sh]

Well my gamestop didn't get my bundle in.

They said that if they didn't have it by saturday that I could pick it up monday, aka today. I called and the guy said he hadn't gotten any yet so I guess im SOL.

Is there any chance they might be getting some more in this week? I really want the stick, but if that's not happening (bc of the limited quantities) then I guess I'll just pick up tekken by itself. :lame:

[N-Ken]

N-Ken, this is what you have right? (I just want to make sure before I order, and have about 20 dudes mad at me because I got the wrong thing)

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-t-15-Total%2BControl%2BPlus-70-en.html
I cant see a switch on this one from the pic... but I’ll take your word for it.
:tup:


Yes that is the one I ordered, the one in the pic looks different than the one I got, I heard they changed the design up. But as of last week, that is the one I got. I'll get pics sent to you in a second.

In a zip archive:

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=19VGCYVDSMUAT3BIT7FB2YM1GS

[saroorhai]

If you mod the T5 stick, you don't need the metal plate right? Also, I was thinking of building a sanwa custom arcade stick. Do I need the $28 one at hamuri ? I'ma bit confused about sanwa parts. I don't understand which is suposed to optical and which isn't.

[Tritone]

I don't think Sanwa makes an optical stick. Maybe your thinking of the P360 (http://www.happcontrols.com/joysticks/50608300.htm) from Happ?

[Toodles]

Sanwa did make an optical flash stick, but they have been discontinued.

The more I tear this stick apart, the more I like it. I'm gonna rant about my plans a little, please ignore if you dont care.

I've mentioned that I want to mod one of these, using a project box setup. I've got the project box for the dreamcast done. Using a agetec pcb, and a four page memory card, and a button on the side to toggle between pages of the card. It came out really compact and works great. I've attached a picture of it next to a dvd case for scale. The soldering and packaging was kind of a pain, but its ready to go. Because it uses the neogeo pinout, I've already tested it with my AES stick and it works awesome. Link to image, since I cant friggin attach it. http://www.marcuspost.com/images/DSC00561.JPG

The artwork on the big metal sheet is make on some sort of plastic sheet, like credit cards. Its glued to the metal, but can be removed and the glue residue cleaned off of the metal. I'm going to look into getting it powdercoated if I can find a place that can do it fairly cheaply. Getting that 'cameleon' paint on it would be awesome, but I think outside of my price range. Instead, Im going for a black powdercoat, or just black primer and spray paint if the powdercoating is too expensive. It should be very possible to remove the tekken artwork, clean off the glue residue, and cut a sheet of very thin lexan so everyone can do the whole 'custom artwork under plexi' they seem to like.

I originally didnt like the button layout, but I now think it will be very nice. The pinout I'm using only allows for six game buttons, and two buttons for start/select. So support for old low button systems would still work ok, the layout on a SF stick would be this:
C D E
A B F
For example, on a dreamcast, it would look like this:
X Y Z
A B C
Which is perfect.
I realized with the eight button layout of the tekken 5 stick, I could do this:
B C D E
A A B F
This gives me the right most 6 buttons for SF layout, and if I wanted a curved layout for VF, SoulCal, or neogeo games, I can used the curved layout of the left. Since I like the shape of the leftmost three buttons for VF, this works awesome, and gives me a choice of 2x2 or curved 4 layout for neogeo games. It also means that I won't have to look at getting a replacement sheet of metal machined, since this one can do everything I need.

I'm trying to place an order with Himura for buttons and stick, and will be working on other interface boxes in the meantime. I don't think it will be ready for show at TS5, but hopefully not long after.

[RPGv2]

Where did you buy that sir? where can i order like 14? (for all my budys that have the stick)

me and my buddy picked up a few at our local EB...don't think EB sells them anymore...we got them about a year ago

[tuelpo]

Mods, please remove.

[KyPeN]

Any popular converters work with this stick that converts to the X-Box?

[vaioman]

The EB I work at is getting 2 more T5 sticks this week, and they're still available at EBGames.com. I like it so far, I might get a second one and try to do something to it though.

[saroorhai]

so the metal plate with the sanwa sticks is just an optional structural thing?

I got the info about an optical sanwa stick from the sanwa mod thread, it was an old post though. http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72628&page=2&pp=60

I oredered the T5 bundle thining it had a sanwa stick in it. It hasn't arrived yet, so I don't know if I like it. But this poses another question: Is it cheaper to just buy a HRAP or the special T5 stick released in March than it is build a custom one? The HRAP,(red one), has BOTH sanwa stick and buttons right, not just the stick? If so, I was gonna order from play-asia.com if they are good to order from.

[Obot64.com]

I just ordered from play-asia... with their 7-15 day shipping... Does it really take that long guys?

Edit: Look a guy is selling his t5 stick on ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21188&item=8173375654&rd=1

[Superking]

I oredered the T5 bundle thining it had a sanwa stick in it. It hasn't arrived yet, so I don't know if I like it. But this poses another question: Is it cheaper to just buy a HRAP or the special T5 stick released in March than it is build a custom one? The HRAP,(red one), has BOTH sanwa stick and buttons right, not just the stick? If so, I was gonna order from play-asia.com if they are good to order from.


If you are too lazy to build a custom Sanwa, then yes the Special Addition Sanwa HRAP (with Sanwa JLF stick and Sanwa buttons) or the Japanese T5 HRAP (identical to Special Addition Sanwa HRAP, except no turbo switches and has some red haze design with the Tekken 5 logo on it) are good choices.

EDIT: Yes I've already put down a preorder for one of those Special Addition Sanwa HRAPs at my local shops. :clap:

[N-Ken]

I just ordered from play-asia... with their 7-15 day shipping... Does it really take that long guys?

Edit: Look a guy is selling his t5 stick on ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21188&item=8173375654&rd=1


I've made a couple orders from them, its usually around 7 days or so that Ive got my stuff.

[Masahiko]

EDIT: Yes I've already put down a preorder for one of those Special Addition Sanwa HRAPs at my local shops. :clap:

Sorry, how is this possible? Do you live in Japan? I was under the impression that the special addition/edition sticks were available only by special preorder to Japanese address at horistore.com. This is the reason it's very unlikely that playasia, or other import sites, will have any of these to offer.

I've also not heard of any categorical guarentee that the Japanese T5 stick is the same as the special addition/edition. It looks the same, but the US T5 stick looked like the original RAP too so...

[blueoakleyz]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8173727648&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

this is a better auction
no game = $45 less

[drzero7]

Okay, I'm modding my T5 stick with Sanwa joystick.

I'm getting the Sanwa Stick and the octagonal gate option. (They told me it's a squategate without the option added) Do I need anything else?

I don't think I need the mounting plate to mod my T5 stick... but do I need the JLF-H, 5 pin joystick cable? (Or is the cable that's in T5 works fine? It IS a different directional stick so wondering.

I rather get all I need at once so I can save the shipping cost.

Or anything else do you think I need. And I don't think asking the himura site webmaster will help (About modding the T5 stick) so I'm asking here.

[mastermind]

blueoakleyz: you haven't sold yours yet? Holy crap, someone bought mine with Buy-It-Now to Germany! :clap:

Someone hit your reserve though. So that's awesome. Good luck man, hope you can get some profit out of it. =D

[blueoakleyz]

blah the reserve is just to cover costs lol but i estimate it'll skyrocket like 1 min before the end
some dude retracted his bid too :(( oh well, im gonna wait on the other two

[WasFemto]

Sanwa did make an optical flash stick, but they have been discontinued.




That blows I read about these on VFDC which seems to be a good site for modding sticks with Sanwa.

[ThyAllMighty]

once again, can you put an octagonal gate in a hori stick?

[Stanman]

no, the hori stick has a crappy white looking restrictor that can't be taken out and doens't look to be easily modded.

[Obot64.com]

Mastermind: ask that guy if he wants another one lol the game spot by me just got one more. Yay for e-bay!

If the stick dosent sell then i'll mod it!

[mastermind]

I've got a few guys that emailed me regarding the one I just sold. Asking me if I get another one, to start a second chance auction and email them first. Hehe. My GameCrazy nearby just got a couple more, too. I might pick those up after I pay my cellphone bill. =P

[drzero7]

No you cannot add the octagonal gate on the Hori Stick. If you want to do that, you have to remove the Hori controller and add in the Sanwa controller THEN add the octagonal gate as option upgrade.

[Obot64.com]

yo mastermind can you x-fer me some customers cuz i have one lol.
and do you mind if i steal you auction layout.... :tup:
say if you use aim or msn pm me... or just ...pm me. i want to ask you a few questiosn.

[mastermind]

PM sent, Obot.

[Obot64.com]

hmn Mastermind, one bundle sold for 185.... Those Germans are hard core. I hope nobody has any trouble getting the $ from them.

[mastermind]

So after reading a bit on how to Sanwa-mod random joysticks, it looks more and more feasible to preserve the PCB and solder some Sanwa buttons onto this badboy. Desoldering the old buttons off, screw in the Sanwa buttons, and connect them a la Spiffy; solder some wire to the flattened prongs run the wire through the holes on the PCB, yank them tight, and solder them in.

Dunno if it's Captain Obvious to the rescue, but yeah, I just figured all this out. Bare with me, I haven't messed with custom sticks in nearly a year. :rofl:

Obot: Yeah seriously, I hope the guy I sold it to has a US PS2, or a modded one so he can play T5 at all. *shrug*

[Obot64.com]

lol man check out my auctions.... I got an auction going for the start guide and the art book.... buy it now for 55 bucks (would anyone dare pay that?)

[mastermind]

Where's your link at?

[ThyAllMighty]

fuck, should i sell my extra bundle now, or two months later? if i can get enough money, i'm gonna put sanwa parts in my stick...it's for a good cause!

edit: goddamn...it is fucking retarded how much that t5 stick will go for on ebay...i actually think that selling the pack, dvd case, game and artbook makes that stick sell for less...

[Obot64.com]

Bundle: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8174792208&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
Guide and Art book: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8174800345&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
Re4 collectors edittion: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8174793953&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

Yes the more things you sell the greater the overall discount is. The same thing happens in stores.

[saroorhai]

If you are too lazy to build a custom Sanwa, then yes the Special Addition Sanwa HRAP (with Sanwa JLF stick and Sanwa buttons) or the Japanese T5 HRAP (identical to Special Addition Sanwa HRAP, except no turbo switches and has some red haze design with the Tekken 5 logo on it) are good choices.

EDIT: Yes I've already put down a preorder for one of those Special Addition Sanwa HRAPs at my local shops. :clap:

IM not really too lazy, i have built custom arcade sticks in the last few months. I'm just worried about cost. Seems like it might be cheaper to just buy one.

[KyPeN]

I'm going to bump this thread with hopes that someone will elaborate on how to replace the stick with a Sanwa.

[True_Tech]

this is more of a gamestop question but does anyone know if tradestop.com is close if not accurate price of what gamestop gives for traded in dvds/games?

[N64FanBoy]

this is more of a gamestop question but does anyone know if tradestop.com is close if not accurate price of what gamestop gives for traded in dvds/games?

Tradestop seems like they give a lot less than the Gamestop stores.

[True_Tech]

hmm thats nice tradestop was giving me 70 bucks on the stuff i plan on trading in tomorrow which is more then enough for dmc3

[coN]

Here are the first couple pics of my T5 Hori mod:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mode879/album?.dir=3786&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mode879/my_photos

The pics of the Sanwa parts installed are not uploading properly, so ill take some new pics ASAP.

[True_Tech]

did your stick come in white or did you paint it i've only seen black ones but i don't know if thats all it came in

[coN]

Painted.

[armad1ll0]

nicely done! *arm~ puts one on so that he can tip his hat*
what type of spray can did you use?

[KojiroSon]

I have a question to anyone who cares to look into it: does it have a detachable PS2 cord like that of the HRAP or is it something completely different? I ask because the cord of my HRAP met with an unfortunate accident and needs replacing but I still love the stick since I have all Sanwa parts in it now.

[Jaime]

Here are the first couple pics of my T5 Hori mod:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mode879/album?.dir=3786&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mode879/my_photos

The pics of the Sanwa parts installed are not uploading properly, so ill take some new pics ASAP.

I painted my stick white too! But, I painted the top hot pink b/c I don't know if anyone else had this prob, but the picture got scratched up like a couple days after I got it. And after 2-3 weeks, you can't even see raven on the stick. I painted the base white, and painted the top pink. I'm waiting for my white sanwa stick/buttons to arrive from himuragames. :party: