Is Udon connected to the Alpha 2 anime

[mbthomas]

Hi Udoneko, i was just wondering if the team at Udon have been in anyway connected with the production of the forthcoming animated movie, whether it be through consultation or what have you. I think it would be cool if it was consistent with the comic series.

[TAS]

I think it would be cool if it was consistent with the comic series.


Thats impossible.

The SFA anime had its own storyline, and the SFA2 anime is a sequel to that storyline. Capcom, UDON, the animes, mangas, etc, etc, all have their own seperate storylines none of which fit with one anohter.

[martinitolove]

can someone summarise the plot of the first, second SFA anime, please?

[Apathy-Inc]

The second one won't be out until June.
The first one can be summed up as follows:
Ryu + annoying fake brother + Dark Hado + cheesey made up baddie spouting "GIVE ME YOUR DATA" over and over = really good animation and some Alpha character cameos.

[nortlee]

The second one won't be out until June.
The first one can be summed up as follows:
Ryu + annoying fake brother + Dark Hado + cheesey made up baddie spouting "GIVE ME YOUR DATA" over and over = really good animation and some Alpha character cameos.
Was Shun fake? I never really understood that since Ryu said at the end "You know why, because you ARE my brother"... Meh.

[mohammeda1i]

Was Shun fake? I never really understood that since Ryu said at the end "You know why, because you ARE my brother"... Meh.

Shun admits right at the end that he was being paid by the doctor to trick Ryu into coming so that he could save his mother (who he lied about being dead). He then asks Ryu why he came when he knew it was a trap, and then Ryu thinks of all the brotherly things they did and says "you are my brother". Something like that anyway.

Mohammed Ali

[Golden Dragon]

THE ALPHA MOVIE WAS GAY!!




























































That is all.

[mohammeda1i]

THE ALPHA MOVIE WAS GAY!!

I actually really liked the animation a lot, and although they made Ken look like a fassyboy, I quite liked some of the character building. It was just the story I had a trouble with. Instead of having internal strife between the Street Fighters (like in the canon and in Udon comics), they made it such that all the Street Fighters were against a newly introduced common enemy. I thought this was unneccesary when there are so many bad guys one could focus on in the actual game.

Mohammed Ali

[nortlee]

Shun admits right at the end that he was being paid by the doctor to trick Ryu into coming so that he could save his mother (who he lied about being dead). He then asks Ryu why he came when he knew it was a trap, and then Ryu thinks of all the brotherly things they did and says "you are my brother". Something like that anyway.

Mohammed Ali
When did that happen? All I remember was "You knew it was a trap so why did you come?" and I thought that was referring to Shun being kept at Sadler's...

And I thought the "I thought I could use the money to save my mother" was about street fighting and using the Dark Hadou...? Damn I have to watch it again...

[mohammeda1i]

And I thought the "I thought I could use the money to save my mother" was about street fighting and using the Dark Hadou...? Damn I have to watch it again...

Well Shun said himself that their mother had died so you can tell he was lying. If you watch it again you will hear the whole thing which basicly shows he did it to get the money from Sadler, but it is all said very quickly so I'm not suprised you missed it (I almost did first time I watched it). Post the quote if you get a chance, just to make sure we all didn't hear what we wanted to hear :lol:

Mohammed Ali

[mbthomas]

What I don't get if Shun wasn't Ryu's brother afterall HOW THE HELL DID HE USE DARK HADOU?

[nortlee]

The death of Shun

Shun:
"Bro... Brother...
You did it... I... I always wanted a chance to see you fight..."

Ryu:
"Shun... It's okay, don't talk."

Shun:
Just tell me... Why did you come brother?

Flashback:

Shun:
Pork and beans... It was Mum's speciality.

Ken:
What? A taste of Mum's cooking huh?
*Eating enthusiastically*

Shun:
It's great huh?
So... Why are we eating on the roof anyway?

Ken:
Just be quiet and enjoy the view, I like high places that's all.

Shun (Watching the sunset):
Woah... It's sinking into the sea...

Ken:
Hm?

Shun:
Back in Brazil we always watched it set in the sugar cane fields.

*Ends flashback*

Shun:
But you knew it was a trap. You had to...

*Flashback of Ryu and Shun sparring*

Shun:
You... You didn't even think I was your brother...
So... Why?

Ryu:
You know why... Because you are my brother.

Shun (Thinks):
'Cause I'm his little brother

Ryu:
Let's go now, I shall never again use the power of the Dark Hadou, and neither will you Shun.

Shun:
I didn't mean for this to happen, but I wanted the money, I thought if I could get it I could help my mother.
And I... Wanted to be stronger than anyone else... So then I did it (Quote is questionable, my hearing's not as good as it used to be lol).
Brother... See you around...

There's nothing there in concrete that says that in the Alpha anime Shun wasn't intended to be Ryu's real brother really, that stuff about money I believe was referring to street fighting and his use of the Dark Hadou in battle. Also nothing says for sure that Shun's Mum wasn't dead during the anime.

[TAS]

The Truth About Shun

After the Alpha movie was released in Japan, Shun's true story was revealed in an interview with the SFA director in Famitsu (or one of those magazines)

Shun was a clone of Ryu. He shared Ryu's blood/DNA which is how he was able to use the Dark Hadou, but when only around Ryu, and Shun's martial arts abilities come from Sadler as well, ie they were implanted (which is kinda a given, seeing as how skilled he was for being so young)

Sadler's failed versions of Shun can be seen towards the end of the movie when Ryu is looking for Shun, and mistakes a failure for Shun, however Shun's ki and the failure's ki were the same, because they were infact basicly the same person (both Shun and the failure also have the same voice actor as well) Then Chun Li sensed what she thought was Ryu's ki when Shun was trapped in that dude, because Shun's ki resembles Ryu's being that he's a clone.

ALL of Shun's memories (prior to meeting Ryu) were implants, and as he's dying he cant keep anything straight so spits out this story about his mother that makes no sense.


Is Shun Ryu's brother?

Its for the viewer to decide (as much as a cop out or cliche thats become with animes)

Oh and something eles...


Akuma is NOT Ryu's father!

People got the wrong idea about that in the SFA movie.

Ryu asks Akuma...

Ryu: Then you must answer me this, do you have a son, a family?

Akuma: Where I walk, I walk alone. Where I fight, I fight alone.

That was Akuma's "NO!" to Ryu, yet alot people never pick up on, I dont see why not though.

[nortlee]

I always thought the Akuma and Ryu father/son thing was just the SF Alpha anime trying to stray away from the real plot and going all Star Wars like lol.

As for Shun.. Damn he was a clone? I can't help but feel that they screwed up what could have been an interesting plot twist there, I'd rather Mohammed Ali'a theory were right but oh well... So the Shun at the end of the anime who said the words I put in my previous post wasn't the Shun that Ryu had known? Well it was in being the same person with the same Chi flow but he was a different... "model" correct? A failed version?

Thanks for the info btw TAS.

[Sano]

A clone, huh? Thanks for that TAS! However the failure did have a different voice actor than Shun's. Shun was voiced by Reiko Kikuichi. The failure, credited as 'Boy' in the english translation of the credits was voiced by Kumiko Yokote. And this is not to be confused with Kokoro Shindo who did the voice of the kid Ryu handed to Sakura in the first part.

[TAS]

I always thought the Akuma and Ryu father/son thing was just the SF Alpha anime trying to stray away from the real plot and going all Star Wars like lol.

Nah, Dr.Sadler was Shun's "father" and he "learned" the Dark Hadou from him, ie Dr.Sadler created Shun and gave him the ability to use the Dark Hadou, so technicaly Shun was right when he said he learned it "From dad" Also if Akuma had been Ryu's father in the movie, I dont see how he could of had Shun and/or trained him. I mean its kinda hard to imagine Akuma got with any woman after being consumed with the Dark Hadou, and that he would train anyone let alone a little pup like Shun, who's attitude was way too cheerful for someone that people thought was trained by Akuma.

So the Shun at the end of the anime who said the words I put in my previous post wasn't the Shun that Ryu had known?

Its the same Shun. The failed versions of Shun all looked similar but diffrient, ie the one Ryu saw out in the feild had lighter hair, blue eyes, and freckles. The only time Ryu saw a failed version of Shun was out in that feild.

I can't help but feel that they screwed up what could have been an interesting plot twist there

They ended up backing themselves into a corner with Shun's story, and the only way to explain it was for him to be a clone.

[H_Hunter]

I don't know about you guys but I hope they can focus more on Ken next time on SFA 2.

The Shoryuken he performed on Dr.Sadler showed how DESTRUCTIVE it can be ! It was just amazing although it had no effect on him...

[Pod]

I don't know about you guys but I hope they can focus more on Ken next time on SFA 2.

The Shoryuken he performed on Dr.Sadler showed how DESTRUCTIVE it can be ! It was just amazing although it had no effect on him...

Thats my favourite bit by far ;)

I did like the anime but I've shown it to a few 'fringe' SF fans and they only thought it was passable. I think it'd have been alot better if they'd made shun older and thus more plausable. Who in there right mind would allow a tiny young kid to enter a SF tournament and take on zangief, let alone win. Even then why weren't the warning sounds going crazy for the other characters that something was majorly wrong?

Pod

P.s poor Zangief gets no loving. Beaten by Blanka in the sf2 anime and now bested by a kid. Sheesh

[nortlee]

Nah, Dr.Sadler was Shun's "father" and he "learned" the Dark Hadou from him, ie Dr.Sadler created Shun and gave him the ability to use the Dark Hadou, so technicaly Shun was right when he said he learned it "From dad"

I understand, Sadler created Shun as a copy of Ryu and even managed to add the properties of the Dark Hadou to him. The plan was then to send him to Ryu (Which is what happened) and then gradually play Ryu like a pawn until he is forced to fight one of Sadler's cyborgs and then has to use the Dark Hadou so that Sadler too can have the power.

Also if Akuma had been Ryu's father in the movie, I dont see how he could of had Shun and/or trained him. I mean its kinda hard to imagine Akuma got with any woman after being consumed with the Dark Hadou, and that he would train anyone let alone a little pup like Shun, who's attitude was way too cheerful for someone that people thought was trained by Akuma.

Though at some points they did do okay in accordance with the Canon but I believe they could have quite easily decided to stray away from that. I did actually think they was going to kill the "Is Akuma Ryu's Dad?" question in Alpha 2, I didn't realise "Where I walk, I walk alone, where I fight, I fight alone" was actually saying no. I believed that he was just evading the answer and saying he wasn't going to act like a Dad. Though you're right it would be pretty damn hilarious seeing Akuma act out the role of Dad with Dark Hadou under his belt lol. I didn't think it through, I just thought they would be pointing on before he was consumed by the Dark Hadou, but now I've just remembered that the father of Shun taught Shun Dark Hadou.

Its the same Shun. The failed versions of Shun all looked similar but diffrient, ie the one Ryu saw out in the feild had lighter hair, blue eyes, and freckles. The only time Ryu saw a failed version of Shun was out in that feild.

So the one failure we saw was the crazy one that Ryu saw at Sadler's domain, the one who turned around made a stupid "Haaaa!" sound with arms outstretched and said, "I.. I just can't do this anymore, I'm sorry professor, please forgive me..." whilst thrashing around on the floor?

They ended up backing themselves into a corner with Shun's story, and the only way to explain it was for him to be a clone.

I can't help but feel that it would have been better if they had made it one of those theoretical things where it's up to the viewer to decide how it went... Kind of like half the themes in Evangelion (If you've ever seen that). Would have been better if they had said it should be one of those things where the viewer can make his/her own conclusions imo.

[mbthomas]

For the record TAS, Akuma wasn't always a one demensional evil, training machine. If you got eternal challenge you can see an offical artwork of Akuma kneeling, presumably selling fruit near a young man who may be Ryu. That one picture basically dispels this current narrow minded visage of Akuma that seems to be portrayed everywhere these days.

[nortlee]

For the record TAS, Akuma wasn't always a one demensional evil, training machine. If you got eternal challenge you can see an offical artwork of Akuma kneeling, presumably selling fruit near a young man who may be Ryu. That one picture basically dispels this current narrow minded visage of Akuma that seems to be portrayed everywhere these days.
Though in Tiamiat's guide it is true that Akuma isn't a mindless killer, that might be one of their little joke concept art images, like Chunners playing basketball and the Alpha Ryu, Ken and Chun-Li (?) getting hugged by the older versions.

[PsychoSquall]

Akuma/Gouki is Dan's father. Just check out MvSF's ending for Dan, lol.
(I know... it was a gag ending.. :( )

Also it is to my understanding that the US version of the SFA movie has a lot of footage omitted from it that the JPN version had. (including an actual fight scene with Akuma/Gouki) Also the Japanese SFZ (Zero is Alpha in japan) anime was a 2 part ova series, and for the US version they just combined the 2 separate parts and called it a 'movie'.

Part of the reason why SFA the movie sucked so much (IMO) was because it was hacked up.

I'm sure Capcom USA took the liberty to up Akuma's evil image.

[nortlee]

Also it is to my understanding that the US version of the SFA movie has a lot of footage omitted from it that the JPN version had. (including an actual fight scene with Akuma/Gouki) Also the Japanese SFZ (Zero is Alpha in japan) anime was a 2 part ova series, and for the US version they just combined the 2 separate parts and called it a 'movie'.
I have the PAL version of the DVD (UK) and with that description I believe it to be the same as the US version, it's all bundled in one dose. There wasn't really a fight scene between Ryu and Akuma though, not really there was a meeting and the beginning of a fight at the end, presumably setting the stage for Alpha 2.

[Sano]

Psychosquall - The only thing combining the two OVAs into a Movie for the US omited was a still black and white picture of Ryu shown after the credits of the first part. And that's it. The American version doesn't omit any of the story, blood, violence, etc. They did not omit a fight scene between Gouki and Ryu, what you saw was what you got, at the end of the Anime. I have both versions. Your source is a liar.

However, the US SF2 Animated Movie is missing footage from the original Japanese version. Even the unedited version shortens Chun-Li's shower scene. And if your not watching it letter boxed (In Japan all versions of the movie are letter boxed, this movie CAN NOT be watched to fit your TV screen) you get to see a very cheesey scene where the camera shifts to fit Ryu and Ken on the screen and you get to miss Gouki's cameo.

[TAS]

So the one failure we saw was the crazy one that Ryu saw at Sadler's domain, the one who turned around made a stupid "Haaaa!" sound with arms outstretched and said, "I.. I just can't do this anymore, I'm sorry professor, please forgive me..." whilst thrashing around on the floor?

Yes.

I can't help but feel that it would have been better if they had made it one of those theoretical things where it's up to the viewer to decide how it went... Kind of like half the themes in Evangelion (If you've ever seen that). Would have been better if they had said it should be one of those things where the viewer can make his/her own conclusions imo.

The ending is up to the veiwer to decide, its just in an interview with the director he had to basicly explain the situation with Shun cause it left everyone so confused.

And yeah, I have the Eva Perfect Collection, and two movies (but now I want the Platnium Collection considering how much better they are then the ones I have. Although I wonder if they'll do Platnium versions of the movies as well)

For the record TAS, Akuma wasn't always a one demensional evil, training machine. If you got eternal challenge you can see an offical artwork of Akuma kneeling, presumably selling fruit near a young man who may be Ryu. That one picture basically dispels this current narrow minded visage of Akuma that seems to be portrayed everywhere these days.

That picture was a parody, it wasnt meant to be taken seriously. Bengus drew it as a parody of the scene in the SF2 anime where Akuma is sitting on the side of the road.

[Kataklysmic]

They made Sakura weak in favor of Shun. That should tell you how bad it is.

[Y2Dane]

Thats my favourite bit by far ;)

I did like the anime but I've shown it to a few 'fringe' SF fans and they only thought it was passable. I think it'd have been alot better if they'd made shun older and thus more plausable. Who in there right mind would allow a tiny young kid to enter a SF tournament and take on zangief, let alone win. Even then why weren't the warning sounds going crazy for the other characters that something was majorly wrong?

Pod

P.s poor Zangief gets no loving. Beaten by Blanka in the sf2 anime and now bested by a kid. Sheesh

Actually, if you ask me, Zangief whooped Shun's ass pretty bad. He kinda roughed Ryu up a bit too.

[Apathy-Inc]

And yeah, I have the Eva Perfect Collection, and two movies (but now I want the Platnium Collection considering how much better they are then the ones I have. Although I wonder if they'll do Platnium versions of the movies as well)
Very very unlikely unless ADV can get the movie licenses away from Manga Entertainment.

[mbthomas]

TAS that drawing is NOT a parody, look at the context in which it appears in the book. It appears in the character illustration gallery, the same section that aludes to the relationship between rose and bison, charlie and guile, adon and eagle, etc. You would have a better arguement if it appeared in the special illustration gallery, beside it doesn't really strike me as funny at all. It is not parodying the SF 2 movie, it is referencing and expanding on it as a backstory.

[nortlee]

I think you'll find that is a parody, that section isn't just about art focused on the plot, it's just general art towards that character. Maybe you hadn't noticed but Eternal Challenge is filled with "joke" illustrations.

So mbthomas, do you now believe that Akuma goes selling fruit in the streets? He's a man consumed by Dark Hadou whose only lust is to fight strong opponents and to keep perfecting his own style.

[TAS]

TAS that drawing is NOT a parody, look at the context in which it appears in the book. It appears in the character illustration gallery, the same section that aludes to the relationship between rose and bison, charlie and guile, adon and eagle, etc. You would have a better arguement if it appeared in the special illustration gallery, beside it doesn't really strike me as funny at all. It is not parodying the SF 2 movie, it is referencing and expanding on it as a backstory.

NO!

Bengus did a series of pics for SFA2, they are drawn in an oval with a white fade around the edge. The ones in this collection I can remember off the top of my head are...

- Ryu
- Chun Li
- Sakura
- Rose with Bison's Hat
- Rose & Bison
- Charlie & Guile
- Ken & Eliza
- Guy & Cody
- Sodom & Poison
- Adon & Eagle
- Gen & Chun Li
- Akuma & Boy

And the book dosnt even have all the pictures in the series together, and its in more then one Capcom book, so that reason of yours is flawed.

You would have a better arguement if it appeared in the special illustration gallery, beside it doesn't really strike me as funny at all.

Thats cause you dont know about the relationship between the SFA series and the SF2 movie. And I didnt mean to say parody, its more of a tribute kinda parody type deal.

The single frame in which Akuma appears in the SF2 anime he's sitting down against a wall, and it lloks as if he's selling something by the side of the road (hmmm that sounds an awful lot like a picture Ive seen of Akuma)

Then there's the fact that the SFA series was inspired by the SF2 anime, ie the SFA series wouldnt exist if it werent for SF2: The Animated Movie. There are lots of tributes the SF2 anime all throughout the SFA series, like the grassy feilds secret stage, Ryu and Ken's fist tap intro, Ken giving his headband to Ryu, the muscular Bison, brainwashed Ken, etc, etc, and its no suprise that a piece of SFA artwork is a tribute to the movie as well.

[mohammeda1i]

I think you'll find that is a parody, that section isn't just about art focused on the plot, it's just general art towards that character. Maybe you hadn't noticed but Eternal Challenge is filled with "joke" illustrations.

So mbthomas, do you now believe that Akuma goes selling fruit in the streets? He's a man consumed by Dark Hadou whose only lust is to fight strong opponents and to keep perfecting his own style.

I think you'll find Mr. Thomas is correct. Forgeting eternal, the artwork came out as a set. The other pictures along with the Akuma one, are all part of one set. There is another set that contains mess about pictures and this isn't part of that (please correct me if I am wrong on this).
I think this makes sence as Akuma may need to make money time to time for various reasons. Sure hes got the dark hadou, but does he have Prada?

Mohammed Ali

[TAS]

I think you'll find Mr. Thomas is correct. Forgeting eternal, the artwork came out as a set. The other pictures along with the Akuma one, are all part of one set. There is another set that contains mess about pictures and this isn't part of that (please correct me if I am wrong on this).


Read above.

I think this makes sence as Akuma may need to make money time to time for various reasons. Sure hes got the dark hadou, but does he have Prada?

There's never been any refrence to Akuma needing money. If you look at the frame from the SF2 anime and the SFA artwork with Akuma its easy to tell they are connected.

[mohammeda1i]

There's never been any refrence to Akuma needing money. If you look at the frame from the SF2 anime and the SFA artwork with Akuma its easy to tell they are connected.

I know, a lot of SFA was based on SF Animated, so it might be trying to show a little more to Akuma. At the end of the day it doen't really matter, but the fact it is in a realistic pic, I think it is true. Something for the individual to deside if people are having troubles accepting Akumas citric secrets :lol:

Mohammed Ali

[mbthomas]

I think you have missed the point. I am well aware that it draws from the sf 2 anime. That's not my point. My point is that it integrates it into his storyline.

What I am saying is that ALL these relationships in the Bengus collection are accepted under street fighter canon.
- Rose with Bison's Hat
- Rose & Bison
- Charlie & Guile
- Ken & Eliza
- Guy & Cody
- Sodom & Poison
- Adon & Eagle
- Gen & Chun Li

Now I am arguing that the picture we are talking about
- Akuma & Boy(who I am certain is ryu)
is canon.

You've gotta consider the possibility that the picture may refer to a time when Akuma was no immersed in dark hadou and therefore this picture is quite plausible. In my opinion it references what Akuma was doing before he turned to the "dark" side, ie selling fruit.

[coco_j]

Yes I've always thought that little boy was Ryu too!

Although I'm fairly certain that the picture is when Akuma was Satsui Hadoued, because of his appearance. He didn't look like that before..

[TAS]

I think you have missed the point. I am well aware that it draws from the sf 2 anime. That's not my point. My point is that it integrates it into his storyline.

What I am saying is that ALL these relationships in the Bengus collection are accepted under street fighter canon.
- Rose with Bison's Hat
- Rose & Bison
- Charlie & Guile
- Ken & Eliza
- Guy & Cody
- Sodom & Poison
- Adon & Eagle
- Gen & Chun Li

Now I am arguing that the picture we are talking about
- Akuma & Boy(who I am certain is ryu)
is canon.


Alright then explain a few things to me...

1) What the relationship, purpose, meaning, etc, of the Ryu pic, or the Sakura pic, or the Chun Li pic in the series? If ALL of them have some kinda meaning to the series what are there meanings? And you CANT say "oh they were just meant to be artwork or single shots" cause that completely deflates your theory that they all mean something or whatever.

2) WTF is Akuma's relationship to the boy then huh? Its OBVIOULSY not Ryu since he stayed with Gouken since he was a baby and the first time he ever left Gouken was SF1 (canon)

3) What is exactly the canon of these pics, like explain to me the canon of of Bison shoving his hand into Rose, or Rose spinning Bison's hat cause, Capcom nor Bengus knew what the story would be for SFA3 when those pics were done.

You've gotta consider the possibility that the picture may refer to a time when Akuma was no immersed in dark hadou and therefore this picture is quite plausible. In my opinion it references what Akuma was doing before he turned to the "dark" side, ie selling fruit.


Yeah right. Akuma didnt look like that when he was younger or pre-Satsu No Hadou. He had black hair that hung in front of his face/eyes prior to submitting. The spikey red hair and red eyes came as a result of the Satsu No Hadou. Its how Bengus designed him.

[mbthomas]

1.) Not worth answering the single pictures... Gen knew Chun Li's father, Sodom and Posion where apart of mad gear, guile and charlie were war vets together, Rose and Bison share a soul and perhaps trained together, guy and cody fought against crime together, eagle was hired by adon, to take out sagat, should i go on... HHMMMM There seems to be a pattern here

2.) You've got to be kinding me, it is that implausible for a young Ryu to go to a local japanese market and get some fruit for Gouken. It's not like he's travelling to Spain!. Does the quote..."Ryu, Ken you boys go get some water from the valley before breakfast, eh?" mean anything to you.

3) There is a long documented History between Rose and Bison, that can be explored at any good character website. Inform yourself.

[crazydiamond]

You people are searching for pots of gold that don't exist. A lot of the illustrations were done with no more thought in mind than aesthetics and possibly to show a character in a different way.

Usually when a story is written it is the writer's job to make the world convincing and to make the story plausible, but with Street Fighter no writer EVER existed so now the poor fans are taking the role of the writer, only they are only allowed to use what art and endings have been released and can not ommit anything or add anuthing new because the fans do not have the legal rights.

You are working the story in reverse. Rather than the creators starting first with a story and showing glimpses of events through illustrations, you are using the illustrations as pieces of a puzzle that were originally never designed to fit, and you are saying "Fit dammit!"

[mbthomas]

No offense buddy but if you think that the artwork is based purely on aesthetics than you must be conceptually and intellectually numb. If you seriously believe that there is no literal or implied message behind the artworks, than I'm afraid you just don't get it. THAT IS WHAT ARTWORK IS ALL ABOUT!

[crazydiamond]

No offense buddy but if you think that the artwork is based purely on aesthetics than you must be conceptually and intellectually numb. If you seriously believe that there is no literal or implied message behind the artworks, than I'm afraid you just don't get it. THAT IS WHAT ARTWORK IS ALL ABOUT!

There is nothing to get, well if there is it's not very deep. The images that CRMK drew were not intended to add to the story of Street Fighter, they were used to promote the game in magazines and the like.

[Sagatryu]

Besides why would akuma need money for ?

[Cho]

Its like that Rose picture with Bisons hat.

These days everyone says thats a shot showing Bison is in control of Rose's body and use it as proof of that, however the drawing was drawn for Street Fighter Zero/Alpha (not 2 or 3 - according to SFEternal Japanese edition I have) so other then being a really 'cute' picture of Rose with Bisons hat, the most meaning it probably had was to hint that she shared some connection to him - like being the good side of his soul (if that was even decided in SFZ/A - I can't honestly remember) as capcom hadnt even decided on Bison taking over her body by then.

So you can put meaning on these pictures if you want to, or you can not. Capcom has always left room on how you interpretated there characters, as they probably can't be bothered giving you the full run down of everyones life, what they did everyday and who they did it with.

I don't see anything wrong with Akuma selling some food to earn some money though. Every guy gots to eat or pay for washing there clothes - or even buying a bar of soap. Plus if he was only training 24/7 his body would of even up with all the strain by now, dark hadou or not, so hes got to rest some time.

If you wanted to you could note that Cody wasn't arrested for the SFZ1-2 era cause he is seen behind Guy in a picture - so his arrest must of been recent in Zero/Alpha 3 - or not.

Of course it all depends on how seriously you take everything.

[TAS]

1.) Not worth answering the single pictures...

That was the whole point of the fucking question.

I already knew...

Gen knew Chun Li's father, Sodom and Posion where apart of mad gear, guile and charlie were war vets together, Rose and Bison share a soul and perhaps trained together, guy and cody fought against crime together, eagle was hired by adon, to take out sagat,

I already knew all that shit, and so does everyone else basicly, you didnt need to type it out.

should i go on... HHMMMM There seems to be a pattern here

Yes go on, explain the solo character pics to me now.

Oh wait I know why you dont, probaly because you fucking cant do it.

2.) You've got to be kinding me, it is that implausible for a young Ryu to go to a local japanese market and get some fruit for Gouken. It's not like he's travelling to Spain!. Does the quote..."Ryu, Ken you boys go get some water from the valley before breakfast, eh?" mean anything to you.


Yeah, Im sure Ryu looked like that when he's was young, white t-shirt, brown shorts, flip flops. I mean we see Ryu in diffrient clothes all the time right?

3) There is a long documented History between Rose and Bison, that can be explored at any good character website. Inform yourself.

I know about Rose and Bison's history, but you didnt answer the question, you just copped out and dodged it. What is canon about all of the pictures in the series, especialy the solo shots. How would Bengus or Capcom known about Rose and Bison's story when it wasnt even truly developed till SFA3.

And I forgot there are two other pics in the series,

- Guy and his master
- Sagat, Vega, & Balrog

I actually know the meaning behind the series of pics, and you have yet to come close to it.

[Siegfried]

The Gen/Chun-Li picture is from a different set of Chun-Li pictures from various stages of her life. Also, I'm not 100% certain it IS in fact Gen.

[unikronn]

Why does everyone get so worked up over street fighter story lines or pictures. Yes there are holes in the plot/story but if someone wants to think differently about a pic let them. I'm just glad to get the animated movies, games and comics released in england without having to go to through long winded mail ordering.

[coco_j]

2.) You've got to be kinding me, it is that implausible for a young Ryu to go to a local japanese market and get some fruit for Gouken. It's not like he's travelling to Spain!. Does the quote..."Ryu, Ken you boys go get some water from the valley before breakfast, eh?" mean anything to you.


Yeah, Im sure Ryu looked like that when he's was young, white t-shirt, brown shorts, flip flops. I mean we see Ryu in diffrient clothes all the time right?

I seriously doubt Gouken who Ryu saw as a father figure would send out a young child in a gi, to buy some fruit. I'm sure Gouken looked after Ryu to a decent degree, and I think he definetly would have had some normal clothing, so he could be like other kids.

[TAS]

The Gen/Chun-Li picture is from a different set of Chun-Li pictures from various stages of her life. Also, I'm not 100% certain it IS in fact Gen.

I think the Gen & Chun Li is part of the set, Id have to look at it again to see if it has the fade around it though.

The pic of Chun Li you're talking about, where it shows her as a child, teen and adult, obviously isnt part of that set, specialy since it was drawn by Edayan (instead of Bengus) and dost have the circular fade around it either.

I seriously doubt Gouken who Ryu saw as a father figure would send out a young child in a gi, to buy some fruit. I'm sure Gouken looked after Ryu to a decent degree, and I think he definetly would have had some normal clothing, so he could be like other kids.

But do you think Akuma seriously sells fruit on the side of the road or something?

EDIT:

Found/remembered more pics from the set...

- Sagat & Go Hibiki
- Dan & Retsu
- Rose

[crazydiamond]

Also :

Sagat , Barlog, Bison.

And how do you know that's Go Hibiki?

[nortlee]

And how do you know that's Go Hibiki?
Pretty much everyone says that, it's just putting two and two together, didn't he actually look a little bit like Dan?

[TAS]

Also :

Sagat , Barlog, Bison.

I already listed that pic on the previous page.

And how do you know that's Go Hibiki?

Who else would it be? I mean everyone is so stuck on the kid in that pic being Ryu in the pic with Akuma, which reminds me that Ryu's hair was NEVER short when he was its always been the same up till SF3, there's sketches of him that Bengus and Akiman did of him when he was young. If anything the boy in that pic looks like Sakura's son from her MvSF ending.

Anyways that most likely is Go in the pic, although there's nothing to confirm it, however the pic is kinda a redo of the pic where Sagat is holding "Dan" which really isnt Dan, because Dan never existed when that pic was created.

[crazydiamond]

Or to look at it another way, that picture was probably the creation of Dan.

The kid in the Akuma fruit pic is most likely nobody specific.

[Power Man Fox]

Hi sorry to ask this here but I did'nt know where to ask this..
Anyways-- How many streetfighter movies are there? And can you give a list please:)

[KentDog]

A lot of the illustrations were done with no more thought in mind than aesthetics and possibly to show a character in a different way.

I think he is right. I don't know why he got burnt for having this opinion because it makes sense to me. I don't think Capcom really had this huge sophisticated Street Fighter storyline in mind when a lot of the pictures were drawn. And art isn't all about hidden meaning.. you can draw things just to look cool; doesn't have to mean or hint anything.

[Shade]

TAS = God of all SF knowledge. Period.

[udoneko]

The Gen/Chun-Li picture is from a different set of Chun-Li pictures from various stages of her life. Also, I'm not 100% certain it IS in fact Gen.

It is funny... according to Capcom, they told me that is her uncle....

[Golden Dragon]

It is funny... according to Capcom, they told me that is her uncle....
Yeah, it is. His name is Shao Efei or somethin like that.

[TiamatRoar]

.....wow, I heard he wasn't Gen but... that was just unexpected :O

[TAS]

It is funny... according to Capcom, they told me that is her uncle....

GREAT NEWS!

.....wow, I heard he wasn't Gen but... that was just unexpected :O

Something new to add to the plot guide huh?

[TiamatRoar]

Heh, dude, in all honesty, I have about 500 different things I need to add to the plot guide since the last update. *shudders*

[Golden Dragon]

.....wow, I heard he wasn't Gen but... that was just unexpected :O
Where u been, money? I mentioned all that in the storyline thread several pages back. The Red Cyclone webmaster tol' me that.

[vasili10]

Since we're talking about art here:

TAS, you've mentioned elsewhere that there's a Gouki pic done by Bengus that shows him before he became immersed in satsui no hadou, and that sano may have the source for it. Is there really such a pic published somewhere? Where can it be found? The closest resemblance I've seen is Gouki in Ryu Final before he takes out Gouken, same described messy hairstyle.

The Chun Li w/ Shao I Fei and the "Four Stages of Chun Li's Life" pics are both by Edayan. Shao I Fei is her uncle, at least in the novel for which the pic was used.

[TAS]

TAS, you've mentioned elsewhere that there's a Gouki pic done by Bengus that shows him before he became immersed in satsui no hadou, and that sano may have the source for it. Is there really such a pic published somewhere? Where can it be found? The closest resemblance I've seen is Gouki in Ryu Final before he takes out Gouken, same described messy hairstyle.


Somebody told me the pic was on/in one of the SF Alpha/Zero 2 Guides, but I forget which exactly, ie US or Japan. They were saying how the guide had concepts for all the characters and there was one for Akuma which was like the way I described.

BTW can anyone scan the young Akuma from RYU FINAL cause I wanna show it to someone, plus it just be nice to have as well.

The Chun Li w/ Shao I Fei and the "Four Stages of Chun Li's Life" pics are both by Edayan.

Thanks.

Edayan's early SF stuff mirrors Bengus' art style so much its hard to tell sometimes just by looking at the pics.

[vasili10]

Somebody told me the pic was on/in one of the SF Alpha/Zero 2 Guides, but I forget which exactly, ie US or Japan. They were saying how the guide had concepts for all the characters and there was one for Akuma which was like the way I described.


Thanks.

Edayan's early SF stuff mirrors Bengus' art style so much its hard to tell sometimes just by looking at the pics.

You're welcome. Definitely not in the US SFA2 guide, I would've spotted it long ago. And for the record, it's not in AASFZ2, AASFZ2A, or the largest of the SFZ2 Gamest mooks. There were at least 7 other guides released for SFZ2. Can anyone share anything more to help narrow things down? Would cover pics help? :confused:

[Sano]

I'm supposed to buy a scanner tomorrow. As soon as I figure out how to work it, I'll see what I can do about a young Gouki scan from Ryu Final, and perhaps one from the Hong Kong Comic.

[vasili10]

I'm supposed to buy a scanner tomorrow. As soon as I figure out how to work it, I'll see what I can do about a young Gouki scan from Ryu Final, and perhaps one from the Hong Kong Comic.

I take you don't know about any official young Gouki pic right?

[Sano]

I take you don't know about any official young Gouki pic right?

Didn't I say on this thread I didn't have it? Or was that another thread? Oh well. Don't have the official one.

[vasili10]

Didn't I say on this thread I didn't have it? Or was that another thread? Oh well. Don't have the official one.

Rats. :tdown: Back to reading...

[TiamatRoar]

Where u been, money? I mentioned all that in the storyline thread several pages back. The Red Cyclone webmaster tol' me that.


I thought you said that he wasn't Gen and you said his name, but I don't recall any uncle mentioning. Course... admittingly, I haven't had much time to focus on memorizing everything. *tosses angry glares at hectic real life*

[eggy]

hey speaking of Ryu Final =p

Does anyone know where to get text translations for this? I've got the 2 volumes, but I can only admire the pretty drawings 'x'

Actually I'm looking for the Street Fighter Zero translations too... I did manage to find the Sakura Ganbare (is that right?) ones. 'x'

[crazydiamond]

hey speaking of Ryu Final =p

Does anyone know where to get text translations for this? I've got the 2 volumes, but I can only admire the pretty drawings 'x'

Actually I'm looking for the Street Fighter Zero translations too... I did manage to find the Sakura Ganbare (is that right?) ones. 'x'

Don't know where, but they do exist online. At least the Ganbaru one does. I remember I was gonna read it one time at work, but didn't because I couldn't be bothered without the pictures.

[Sano]

Sakura Ganbaru! And SF Zero Manga have Online translations, all text, no images. I have Links for them but the Links don't work anymore...(I got the links from TiamatRoar a long time ago.) I printed them out though. Neither of the translations are word for word perfect but the Ganbaru! one is more in depth. I wish someone would 'scanlate' these Mangas over some of the crap that's getting scanlated nowadays.

Anyway, if no one can find existing links, let me know and I'll see what I can do about getting you guys the translations.

EDIT: The SF Zero one is EXTREMELY brief, but it tells you what's going on.

[eggy]

yeah i think i found that SF Zero one you're refering too. It wasn't really even a translation. More like a summary of the entire 2 volumes =[

Yeah I'd love to see scanlations. Would beat having to look at a print out then look at the manga back and forth. Would be great if i still had time to do that sort of thing.

[crazydiamond]

Count yourself lucky if you've got those mangas I'd love them for the art alone.

[Golden Dragon]

I wish someone would 'scanlate' these Mangas over some of the crap that's getting scanlated nowadays.
Seriously. It seems like nobody wants to go near SF mangas when it comes to scanlating(or just plain scanning).

[Sano]

Well, here's my scans. Not a lot of good shots in Ryu Final of the younger Gouki since he's covered in darkness most of the time. Here's a close up of his face. And another of him putting on Gouken's beads after he kills him.

http://www.msnusers.com/Goukiscans/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2

http://www.msnusers.com/Goukiscans/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1

[crazydiamond]

those links dont seem to be working :(

[Sano]

those links dont seem to be working :(

OK. The Links should work now, let me know. :smile:

[TAS]

Thanks for the pics Sano.

And yeah thats exactly what he looks like in the Bengus sketch, although his jaw and nose arent that massive, same shape though.

Also he resembles Wolverine quite a bit in that fist pic.

Now when are we gonna see a SF cover and back up by Nakahira Masahiko?

It be cool for the 25th issue of SF, if UDON got Bengus & Akiman to do Cover A, Edayan to do Cover B, and Nakahira Masahiko to do Cover C.

[Sano]

Thanks for the pics Sano.

And yeah thats exactly what he looks like in the Bengus sketch, although his jaw and nose arent that massive, same shape though.

Also he resembles Wolverine quite a bit in that fist pic.

Now when are we gonna see a SF cover and back up by Nakahira Masahiko?

It be cool for the 25th issue of SF, if UDON got Bengus & Akiman to do Cover A, Edayan to do Cover B, and Nakahira Masahiko to do Cover C.

Well, glad to hear the links work now! :tup: You're welcome. Now I'll look for the younger Gouki in the Hong Kong SF3 comic. His appearance there predated his Ryu Final appearance by an odd number of months.

[vasili10]

Thanks for the pics Sano.

And yeah thats exactly what he looks like in the Bengus sketch, although his jaw and nose arent that massive, same shape though.


Uuck, does no one know if it's anywhere?



Now when are we gonna see a SF cover and back up by Nakahira Masahiko?

It be cool for the 25th issue of SF, if UDON got Bengus & Akiman to do Cover A, Edayan to do Cover B, and Nakahira Masahiko to do Cover C.

That would be awesome. :cool:

[Sano]

Here's the young Gouki featured in the SF3 New Generation Hong Kong Comic. Basically, young Urien (short hair) and young Gill (long hair) take Gouki off the streets to live with their folks. After Gouki kills their pregnant mother for reasons beyond me his hair turns red! Don't you just love those Hong Kong Comics! :rofl:

http://www.msnusers.com/Goukiscans/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3

http://www.msnusers.com/Goukiscans/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4

[gabrielzero]

Thats impossible.

The SFA anime had its own storyline, and the SFA2 anime is a sequel to that storyline. Capcom, UDON, the animes, mangas, etc, etc, all have their own seperate storylines none of which fit with one anohter.

Where can I get info on Street Fighter Alpha 2? The movie?
I have a shit load of anime mags and I have yet to hear about this! Damn You New Type!!!!!

[wyvern]

who the hell was that kid shun? they say he's a clone of RYU. I was thinking maybe he was Sean. a character in Street Fighter 2nd Impact Giant Attack and Street Fighter Third Strike. The character sean in the video game was from brazil and he throws basket balls. maybe that was the kid shun who was claiming that he was Ryu's brother.The kid said (eating pork and beans in the roof scene) " Its sinking into the sea... back in Brazil we used to watch it set in the sugar cane fields".. I finished that game (2nd impact) several times using Akuma. even finished it fighting another akuma (who is that guy anyway?) who killed Ryu with raging demon on the last match before my fight with ryu even started. i usally try to finish the game undefeated and finish the last fight with a raging demon. i've finish off with a raging demon all the time if i have the chance.

Sean (country of origin in the video game is BRAZIL) often comes in as a new challenger saying " Ryu! I;ve come to challage.. what?.... who are you? " maybe that kid shun from the movie was SEAN after all.

[wyvern]

who the hell was that kid shun? they say he's a clone of RYU. I was thinking maybe he was Sean. a character in Street Fighter 2nd Impact Giant Attack and Street Fighter Third Strike. The character sean in the video game was from brazil and he throws basket balls. maybe that was the kid shun who was claiming that he was Ryu's brother.The kid said (eating pork and beans in the roof scene) " Its sinking into the sea... back in Brazil we used to watch it set in the sugar cane fields".. I finished that game (2nd impact) several times using Akuma. even finished it fighting another akuma (who is that guy anyway?) who killed Ryu with raging demon on the last match before my fight with ryu even started. i usally try to finish the game undefeated and finish the last fight with a raging demon. i've finish off with a raging demon all the time if i have the chance.

Sean (country of origin in the video game is BRAZIL) often comes in as a new challenger saying " Ryu! I;ve come to challage.. what?.... who are you? " maybe that kid shun from the movie was SEAN after all.

[Y2Dane]

Shun looked and acted nothing like Sean, who most people would rather believe is black anyway.

[Rhio2k]

Shun looked and acted nothing like Sean, who most people would rather believe is black anyway.

Sean IS Brazilian (and part japanese...his grandfather, I think), most of whom are black. Deal with it.

[Dez26]

I'm also under the impression that people read much too deep into pictures, especially when it comes to Street Fighter, a franchise where most of the precarious canon is held together by fans, since Capcom themselves seem to just shrug at the idea...

But I always liked that image of Akuma selling fruit. It showed a different side to his character, canon or not.

All this Ryu Final talk really made me wonder something, though. Why hasn't anybody thought of translating Masahiko Nakahira's manga? His SSFII Cammy one was translated by Viz ages ago, but what about SFZ, Sakura Ganbaru and Ryu Final? I'm pretty sure there'd be a market for those...

...Hey, since Udon is a self publishing company now... Maybe they could... hmm... y'know...

Nah, that's just wishful thinking...

[Chrno]

They probably could, all they'd have to do is get the rights to do it. It's just translating not like making something new. It'd actually work...hmmmmm