View Full Version : Pre-Cut Sanwa Boxes using Byrdo's Blue Prints
SpiffyShoes
02-17-2005, 10:00 AM
Would any one be interested in a pre-cut box using The-Darkside's (http://www.byrdo.org/small_sanwa_blueprint.htm) blue prints? Usedelectronics from ArcadeControls.com (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,30990.0.html) has a CNC cutting machine and said that he would be willing to cut some for a good price if there would be enough people interested. They wouldn't be pre-assembled it would just be the wood pre-cut. Joystick and button holes could also be pre-cut and routed if desired. So basically all you would have to do is glue the box together and paint it. It could come with pre-cut plexi too.
Sounded like a good deal to me since cutting the wood for one of those boxes is the hardest part in building a stick.
So would any one else be interested?
buttasuperb
02-17-2005, 10:30 AM
I might be depending on price.
SpiffyShoes
02-17-2005, 10:35 AM
I think if we could get enough people to order some the price would be around $20-25 + Shipping. If there aren't enough people interested in them then they would cost more. I'm not sure exactly what the end price will be though.
N-Ken
02-17-2005, 10:41 AM
I think if we could get enough people to order some the price would be around $20-25 + Shipping. If there aren't enough people interested in them then they would cost more. I'm not sure exactly what the end price will be though.
For that price yeah I'd be interested definitely, I'd probably want 2.
b1gazn
02-17-2005, 10:46 AM
The box all cut out with the holes for the joystick and buttons for that price would be excellent. :tup: I might want more than just one. Maybe.
SoulCaliFreak
02-17-2005, 10:59 AM
For me, I'd just need to scrounge up the money. NOw that I've finally got the ball rolling with modding, I'd like to try starting from scratch.
Found some dual shock controllers for $3 a piece in good shape at gamestop yesterday.
Orochi Jeebus
02-17-2005, 01:05 PM
is there any way he could cut the metal/plexi for the 30mm sanwa button holes?
yoooooon
02-17-2005, 01:26 PM
if it was all cut and drilled for holes and stuff, i'd definitely pick up 2
Pre-drilled for $25. I'm down
Tha-Darkside
02-17-2005, 04:39 PM
If the cost isn't too steep shipped that would be a really good deal, because the box itself isn't hard to assemble at all. Predrilled would be a bonus, especially for everyone who doesn't have all the tools themselves. For those of you looking to make yourselves a fairly small custom stick this could be a good route because the woodwork is normally the most time consuming.
tuelpo
02-17-2005, 04:46 PM
I'ld possibly be down, but the only box I'm looking to make is a 4 button box with an emphasis on the left 3 for vf4. I don't know if that will deviate from his norm to the point that it would throw off his pricing though.
ryucross
02-17-2005, 06:19 PM
Hell, I'd buy 2 just to use as templates.
delurio
02-17-2005, 10:01 PM
Same here.
Ducky
02-17-2005, 10:42 PM
I'd be down, especially if the holes are predrilled and it comes with plexi.
Christ0pher
02-17-2005, 10:56 PM
Like everyone else if its pre-drilled with plexi I'll take 2. Where do we send the money to? I'm guessing arcade controls, right?
DarkChylde
02-17-2005, 11:19 PM
I'm a newbie when it comes to woodworking so what is T-molding and routing?
frogg609
02-18-2005, 01:08 AM
i'll take 2. i'd need the button and joystick holes predrilled though.
FlashMetroid
02-18-2005, 08:09 AM
how much?
Quicksilver3007
02-18-2005, 11:38 AM
I'd be interested. If someone could post where to send the money to and price per box.
Shazay
02-18-2005, 11:47 AM
I might be interested (need more details), sounds like a sweet deal though.
I'm interested for sure. I always hesitated on making the box just for the simple fact that I suck with wood and the such, but this will make my life a lot easier. And since it just comes with precut wood (holes, plexi and routed out for Sanwa parts? Can you confirm?), anyone could go about and mod it to their liking. Which I may also do as well.
Wood + Plexi + Pre-cut? I'm in.
frogg609
02-18-2005, 09:00 PM
I'm looking at the sanwa sticks on himura's site. would i need to purchase the stick with mounting plate, or is the plate not necassary?
Kayin
02-18-2005, 09:24 PM
Sounds sweet. :tup:
spiffy: whats the latest on these? u still waiting on the guy?
SpiffyShoes
02-24-2005, 06:14 PM
Still waiting on the guy.
For more info you can check out the thread which I linked in my first post.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,30990.0.html
I'll let every one know when they are ready.
supermin
02-24-2005, 06:33 PM
damn, is it too late to get another order of one these? i am interested in one.
DarkChylde
02-24-2005, 07:39 PM
It's not too late, they are still working out the minor details of production.
Lofwyr
02-24-2005, 09:00 PM
I am intrested as well, the low front end would be very nice on the wrists ;p
Christ0pher
02-25-2005, 12:10 AM
I was begining to think this whole thing had fallen through.
I would be intrested in 2
Taichi
02-25-2005, 08:32 AM
I'm interested, but need to know the specs, Sanwa buttonholes?, will I need a plate for my stick?
spiffy: what would u estimate the price be? if its less than 40 per box (shipped) it'd be a good deal. otherwise, i might as well make 'em from scratch. i was looking over the blueprints and the measurements are a bit off. i saw your 3D renders at the other forum, u use exact measurements off byrdo?
I'll take 3 boxes at least. It all depends on the price.
Shortboi
02-25-2005, 02:32 PM
im down for one...but i wouldnt want the jap layout on the sega versus city cab...just the regular straight 2 rows of 3 in a line. Thanks
N-Ken
02-27-2005, 09:28 AM
For those who aren't following the thread on AC, there's supposed to be a final price on the byrdo clone kit by midweek(he's waiting on his plexi/lexan supplier I think), and the first prototypes are supposed to be made today.
tehownage
02-27-2005, 06:48 PM
I'd also be interested if its at a reasonable price and has button holes predrilled.
frogg609
02-28-2005, 06:23 AM
I saw on the thread at BYOAC that usedelectronics has made the byrdo prototype. they look good. my only concern is that they each have 10 buttons, and i don't think we'll need more than 8 for each (take off the two extra on the fighting button layout).
very cool though.
N-Ken
02-28-2005, 08:02 AM
I saw on the thread at BYOAC that usedelectronics has made the byrdo prototype. they look good. my only concern is that they each have 10 buttons, and i don't think we'll need more than 8 for each (take off the two extra on the fighting button layout).
very cool though.
The button layout was just for the prototype, the one for the group order is yet to be decided. And I do agree, I dont think we need 10 buttons, just 6 + startselect. If the leftmost 2 were removed and the right six were moved a little bit to the left(so that jab+short were halfway between the leftmost two and there former spot) then that layout would pretty much be perfect. I can't wait for this kit:clap:
Taichi
02-28-2005, 08:25 AM
I want mine drilled for Sanwa buttons, and a Happ comp stick, is that possible?
Faight
02-28-2005, 09:17 AM
I wonder how much it would cost to buy/build a CNC machine... I'd like to be able to do this myself so I can actually make sticks without having to do that whole 'cutting wood' thing by hand or having to order/wait on someone else.
N-Ken
02-28-2005, 09:39 AM
I wonder how much it would cost to buy/build a CNC machine... I'd like to be able to do this myself so I can actually make sticks without having to do that whole 'cutting wood' thing by hand or having to order/wait on someone else.
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=48
Forum for DIY CNC.
Taichi - this is a group order, it's all the same stuff, happ does not fit AFAIK.
Faight
02-28-2005, 09:45 AM
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=48
Forum for DIY CNC.
Taichi - this is a group order, it's all the same stuff, happ does not fit AFAIK.
Yeah, I was browsing through there. The machines are expensive, I was trying to see how much it would cost to buy a kit or something, but I didn't see any kits listed and don't know if I have the technical know-how to do this. Maybe there is a wood shop around where I live that I can make arrangements to do this for cheap. I'm just trying to avoid shipping and handling and having to wait on delivery.
I was wondering what was going on with these sticks so I checked the thread at arcadecontrols... usedelectronics said he might be able to get laser cut steel panels for the top instead of routed wood. I think that'd be an awesome change. It would make installing everything much easier
SpiffyShoes
03-04-2005, 09:03 AM
Yeah, what do people think about the idea of having a steel top? It would add more to the cost.
Is it possible to get them in a 8-button layout for Sanwa buttons? (the same way buttons are on a special edition Hori RAP) If so, id get a couple.
Reipin Pillage
03-04-2005, 10:08 AM
I'd order two if they were for Happ controls.
I'd order two if they were for Happ controls.
Theyre probably gonna stay strictly Sanwa, although he also builds different type boxes for Happ.
I can't tell by the pictures... what size buttons will the start/select buttons be? I'm interested in ordering from himura soon cuz I want to get one of those flash sticks before they run out
waglo
03-04-2005, 11:02 AM
Yeah, what do people think about the idea of having a steel top? It would add more to the cost.
Well I guess this would have to be a case where the benefit would have to outweigh the cost. What are the benefits to using a metal panel? If it sounds good then I see no problem in paying a lil extra.
Well I guess this would have to be a case where the benefit would have to outweigh the cost. What are the benefits to using a metal panel? If it sounds good then I see no problem in paying a lil extra.
The Sanwa parts are made for metal panels as opposed to Happ parts that are made to be installed in wood. This is why there is so much discussion for how to install Sanwa parts on wood panels.
Taichi
03-04-2005, 11:43 AM
Okay, well, I know, with a group order, things gotta be the same....
but Sanwa sticks are expensive (aren't they?), and if I can't afford a stick for the box, there's no point in getting the box.....
Faight
03-04-2005, 11:56 AM
Okay, well, I know, with a group order, things gotta be the same....
but Sanwa sticks are expensive (aren't they?), and if I can't afford a stick for the box, there's no point in getting the box.....
Competition stick from happs = 13 bucks.
p360 from happs = 35~ bucks.
sanwa stick from himuragames= 23~ bucks.
Not counting shipping.
Edit: I guess I should make a post on arcadecontrols, I need at least two boxes cut for sanwa sticks and comp buttons, and mebbe a few cut for comp sticks/comp buttons.
Taichi
03-04-2005, 12:00 PM
I wanted a Comp Stick....that's what I am planning on using....
I'd do happ stick/buttons if you could drill it out for those....
SpiffyShoes
03-04-2005, 12:44 PM
Looks like the cheapest he could get for the metal panels would be an extra $12-15 dollars. Seems like it would add too much to the price to make it worth it sinc the wood works just fine and he should have no trouble routing the wood for the joystick and buttons.
waglo
03-04-2005, 12:49 PM
Looks like the cheapest he could get for the metal panels would be an extra $12-15 dollars. Seems like it would add too much to the price to make it worth it sinc the wood works just fine and he should have no trouble routing the wood for the joystick and buttons.
Well if there is no difference in ease of installation and performance, then wood sounds just fine, as for the price of the boxes, is there a ball park figure yet?
SpiffyShoes
03-06-2005, 01:38 PM
Yeah, the final price for the box pre-drilled for either Happ or Sanwa parts is $30 plus Shipping. There might be a discount if you get mutiple orders but that hasn't been decided on yet.
DanSC
03-06-2005, 06:19 PM
how about plastic case, i would like to get a plastic case..
so 30 bucks.... dang, its so tempting!!! material costs doesn't really justify the price, (nevermind having the patience and know-how) but the labor and tools/equipment almost makes it worthwhile. too bad i got about 15 square feet of spare mdf layin around or i'd be all over this deal.
JumpsuitJesse
03-06-2005, 11:38 PM
Count me in too. Please post when they are ready to be ordered.
Etcetera
03-06-2005, 11:49 PM
so is this coming with precut plexi or what?
True_Tech
03-06-2005, 11:53 PM
how long before people really start ordering i'm interested but i'm super broke atm
yea, precut/predrilled plexi and (mdf) panel. like i said, 30 bucks is a good deal on these. shooooooot, let me sleep on it. i might try one out just to see just how good they really are!
frogg609
03-07-2005, 10:03 AM
it's very cool seeing he will be selling these boxes in both a Happs and a sanwa configuration. I'll be buying one of each.
SpiffyShoes
03-07-2005, 11:11 AM
The boxes should probably start selling later this week. He is just waiting on me to make some Buttons Layouts for him. I figure most people want either Straight or Arched button layouts and either 6 or 8 buttons.
Oh and they do come with plexi. If you have some custom button layouts or some thing that you want he can probably do them too. Oh and if any one is interested in the first prototype one he made it is one ebay right now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6160497652&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
Ill buy 2. One with a japanese 6 button angle type, the other 8 button japanese angle type. (Like the Special Edition Hori RAP)
Just let us know when its ready.
frogg609
03-07-2005, 12:35 PM
i think i'll be buying 2, one with the Happs 6 button layout, and one with the Sanwa 6 button layout.
I dont' see the point in having those two extra buttons when no games need them.
xbox controllers need all the buttons
True_Tech
03-07-2005, 02:25 PM
i want to grab a jap layout one especially since they come out pre routered i guess i gotta bust out the bootleg cds so i can make 30 bucks real quick
x_tremer
03-07-2005, 04:00 PM
xbox controllers need all the buttons
but no fighting game ultilizes 8 buttons.
that's not the point. triggers are useful for many of the xbox's functions or for some apps. i'd rather not have to plug in another controller to reset or scroll, etc.
N-Ken
03-08-2005, 09:23 AM
Personally I have an S controller always in port 1, then my converter for sticks in port 2. IMO not enough of a deal to make it 8 buttons, but different strokes...
Also, the pricing has been put at 29.99 + 8.50 shipping for one, then if you buy a second it's 24.99 with no shipping charge. :clap: I'm tempted to ask if a 3rd one would fall under that price, but I know 2 sticks is even probably too much for me, but at this price Im still getting them.
Now I'm curious, he doesn't seem to mind doing different layouts and stuff for the sticks, it's not going to be a problem for him to do it like that? If it's not, then I want one six button(+start select) Sanwa style and one six button(+start select) Happ style with both having the straight button layout. How are we going to order this, like when he's ready to make them we just contact him with our orders, pay him, give him our addy and all that? If so, this degenerated from a group buy rather quickly:rofl:(not that Im complaining or anything, just saying)
Neocalibur
03-08-2005, 10:58 AM
Hi,
I was wondering how much the cost wold be for a dual?
Sanwa button layout 8 buttons.
DarkChylde
03-08-2005, 11:47 AM
He gave a price quote on a dual layout:
$40 for basic 2 player layout
$25 for matching acrylic cover
$20-$25 for shipping
So $85 to $90 total.
Josh X
03-08-2005, 11:47 AM
The boxes should probably start selling later this week. He is just waiting on me to make some Buttons Layouts for him. I figure most people want either Straight or Arched button layouts and either 6 or 8 buttons.
Oh and they do come with plexi. If you have some custom button layouts or some thing that you want he can probably do them too. Oh and if any one is interested in the first prototype one he made it is one ebay right now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6160497652&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
Hey would you guys be doing a Tekken stlye 4 button layout? well 6 total buttons but 4 for playin plus start and select...
Cuz I am waiting on Nitewalker to get my box to me, but he was supposed to have the box to me by tekken 5 release.... see how well that worked...
But if I don't get my box from him soon I will be very interested if there is a tekken layout since I only have enough sanwa parts for that layout. And metal top-panel would be cool, unless it would be a problem to use a stick with a mounting plate...
And will these boxes be painted or no? Cuz I have no problem painting the box, hell I work at an autobody shop so I have access to some very sick paint!
DarkChylde
03-08-2005, 11:57 AM
The boxes are all wood (no metal panels) but will not have any problem mounting Sanwa parts. The boxes will come unassembled and unpainted. I'm sure the Tekken layout would be possible to configure on this CNC router, but there might be extra costs because I'm not sure what he considers a "standard layout".
Josh X
03-08-2005, 03:41 PM
The boxes are all wood (no metal panels) but will not have any problem mounting Sanwa parts. The boxes will come unassembled and unpainted. I'm sure the Tekken layout would be possible to configure on this CNC router, but there might be extra costs because I'm not sure what he considers a "standard layout".
I would think it would be less xince it has fewer button holes.
And msot of the people who use a 6 button setup have the tekken layout in there, just with 2 extra buttons.
Any possibility of him doing a hybrid (Happ Joystick, Sanwa butons, Japanese layout) or is that going to be too complicated.
DarkChylde
03-09-2005, 08:25 AM
It's prolly not too complicated, but there maybe an extra fee. But you'd have to contact him directly when he is ready for orders.
thrazz
03-10-2005, 12:42 AM
Are you planning to ship overseas? I would like to buy a pair of these but I live in Spain :s
DarkChylde
03-10-2005, 07:20 AM
I'm pretty sure he would as long as you are willing to pay the shipping costs.
SpiffyShoes
03-10-2005, 07:39 PM
What do you guys think of these button layouts? Is every one ok with them? Any suggestions?
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/Jap-Layout-10.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/US-Layout-8.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/US-Layout-10.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/Tekken-Layout_01.jpg
For the 6 button Jap style arched button layout would you rather have it be more like what Byrdo uses on his boxes? Or like the 6 buttons on the far right in the 10 button layout?
tuelpo
03-10-2005, 08:22 PM
Personally I'ld lke the astrocab layout for a 6 button JAP. Similar to the 4 button there. Even though I'ld plug em since I'm makin VF sticks, but I'ld like to be able to pop 'em out when I get tired of gettin SPOD'd.
-tuelpo
Josh X
03-10-2005, 09:28 PM
i do fancy that tekken layout...
How much would that be, with shipping....
spiffy: make one with six buttons with the 2 left most sitting a bit lower than the 4 right most. like byrdo has on most of his.
waglo
03-11-2005, 12:33 AM
Personally, Id like to see the astrocab layout for the 6 button jap
like the one designed here http://s87314581.onlinehome.us/6-button.jpg
I figure thats what hnix was talking about.
DarkChylde
03-11-2005, 12:55 AM
Yes, indeed, please make the Jap 6 button layout like the one on Catch-22's site/Astrocab.
N-Ken
03-11-2005, 09:34 AM
What do you guys think of these button layouts? Is every one ok with them? Any suggestions?
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/Jap-Layout-10.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/US-Layout-8.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/US-Layout-10.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/Tekken-Layout_01.jpg
For the 6 button Jap style arched button layout would you rather have it be more like what Byrdo uses on his boxes? Or like the 6 buttons on the far right in the 10 button layout?
Spiffy, Personally it'd be perfect if the jap layout 10 just had the 2 leftmost buttons removed, alot of people might want the bigger arch though so if we can't do that one I want I can switch to the US layout.
For the japanese 6-button, make it like the Versus Cabs. (Byrdos 6-button japanese style arc)
SpiffyShoes
03-14-2005, 05:29 PM
Ok so for the 6 button would you rather have the astrocity or the byrdo layout?
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/Jap-Layout-8-astrocity.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/Jap-Layout-8-byrdo.jpg
Theyre the same exact thing. Although im looking at the astro button pic you posted, and the spacing is off. Go with the Byrdo.
SpiffyShoes
03-14-2005, 07:36 PM
Ok, I'll go with the byrdo style one. I liked that one best too.
Faight
03-14-2005, 09:36 PM
I would definately be interested in one box cut to byrdo's specs but if there is any way they can precut the joystick for a sanwa then I would be in love.
DarkChylde
03-14-2005, 10:38 PM
Yeah, the boxes will be pre-routed for Sanwa parts.
thrazz
03-15-2005, 03:30 AM
Theyre the same exact thing. Although im looking at the astro button pic you posted, and the spacing is off. Go with the Byrdo.
Why do u want that spacing when sanwa buttons are big enough? (just asking :P)
I would prefer astrocity one but it doesn't make much difference to me.
Faight
03-15-2005, 11:22 AM
Yeah, the boxes will be pre-routed for Sanwa parts.
I was planning on using comp buttons and a sanwa stick for my stick, are you saying that I won't be able to use the buttons? Sadface.
SpiffyShoes
03-15-2005, 11:28 AM
You can still use comp buttons you will just have to state that when you place your order so he can reduce the size of the button holes.
waglo
03-15-2005, 04:11 PM
Yeah, the boxes will be pre-routed for Sanwa parts.
Byrdos layout it is then. I can agree to that one.
in about a week according to this: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,30990.80.html
Faight
03-15-2005, 10:21 PM
Looks like he's cutting them sunday. I sent a pm about comp buttons on the byrdo style with a sanwa stick, waiting for a reply.
usedelectronics
03-15-2005, 11:51 PM
Hello Everyone.
I am the person making the joysticks spiffy's talking about.
I am pretty flexible about what style joystick/button layouts you want, as long as we don't end up with 50 different layouts.
As mentioned above, and in the arcadecontrols forum, I will be trying to cut most of the panels this sunday. So if you give me a final dimensioned button layout set by thursday, I can probably get them finished on Sunday.
From What I've seen in the thread, it appears you want the following:
Byrdo style button layout (Sanwa stick and buttons)
Straight 6 button layout (Sanwa stick and buttons)
Straight 8 button Layout (Sanwa Stick and buttons)
Arched 8 Button Layout (Sanwa Stick and Buttons)
Angled 4 button Tekken Layout (Sanwa Stick and buttons)
I believe the cutout for happ/Sanwa joysticks will be sized the same, so they will be interchangeable.
Faight
03-16-2005, 10:39 AM
Hello Everyone.
I am the person making the joysticks spiffy's talking about.
I am pretty flexible about what style joystick/button layouts you want, as long as we don't end up with 50 different layouts.
As mentioned above, and in the arcadecontrols forum, I will be trying to cut most of the panels this sunday. So if you give me a final dimensioned button layout set by thursday, I can probably get them finished on Sunday.
From What I've seen in the thread, it appears you want the following:
Byrdo style button layout (Sanwa stick and buttons)
Straight 6 button layout (Sanwa stick and buttons)
Straight 8 button Layout (Sanwa Stick and buttons)
Arched 8 Button Layout (Sanwa Stick and Buttons)
Angled 4 button Tekken Layout (Sanwa Stick and buttons)
I believe the cutout for happ/Sanwa joysticks will be sized the same, so they will be interchangeable.
It's the man himself.
I just had a question: what are the size difference between happs comp buttons and sanwa buttons? Would the buttons be interchangable at all, or would I have to get it cut for all happs (since the cut for the stick appears to be interchangeable)?
I would definately buy a byrdo that supported happs buttons, but I can deal with a straight layout if I have to. Don't want to cause a ruckus or anything.
DarkChylde
03-16-2005, 11:07 AM
Happs = 1 1/8 inch
Sanwa = 30 mm
I'm too lazy to do the conversions, but the Sanwa is slightly bigger. If you get a Japanese curved layout for Happs, I'm sure he can do it, the only diff is that there will be bigger gaps between the buttons and he won't need to have it routed.
Faight
03-16-2005, 11:18 AM
using a conversion chart: http://mdmetric.com/tech/cvtcht.htm
30mm = 1.1811 in
28mm = roughly 1 1/8 in
so it's like 2 mm bigger for the hole.
I have a question. Can these "Small Sanwa Boxes" be used to house all Happ parts? Is the Happ Competition much "deeper" than a Sanwa?
usedelectronics
03-16-2005, 12:31 PM
In my prototype box, Without any routing to recess the joystick, a wico micro-leaf style stick fit without problems.
frogg609
03-22-2005, 07:49 AM
just wondering what is going on with these. i still want a happs one and a sanwa version.
DarkChylde
03-22-2005, 07:55 AM
He was supposed to start production on em last weekend, but dunno what happened.
Faight
03-22-2005, 07:57 AM
I was curious too, especially if we could get these before Friday.
N-Ken
03-22-2005, 10:15 AM
I was curious too, especially if we could get these before Friday.
That would be nice, but even if they were done right now the time it takes to get the payment to him and then for him to ship them it'd be past Friday as it is, bummer that its not ready for the Richmond Tourney though.
Just so its out there usedelectronics, Im wanting
1 x 6 button Japanese layout(curved) Sanwa Byrdo box
1 x 6 button American(straight) layout Happ Byrdo box
Any hints to when these will be available? I'm interested in the 6 Button American (straight) layout Happ Byrdo Box. I have happ competition buttons with a Sanwa joystick but I think I read earlier that the stick cut should house both joysticks correct? Or do I have to make a special order to get the routing done properly for a Sanwa bottom mount?
KYJellyDonut
03-22-2005, 08:11 PM
How can we order these, I'm interested in one. Probably a sanwa layout.
veeeee
03-23-2005, 12:51 PM
So whats going on with this? Wanna order one of these
Question: Are the start and select buttons going to be on the top panel or on the sides?
SpiffyShoes
03-24-2005, 08:18 AM
The Start and Select Buttons are going to be on the top.
Turns out UsedElectronics was sick this weekend and wasn't able to make the boxes.
KYJellyDonut
03-24-2005, 08:43 AM
Who do we place the order with you or him Spiffy?
I pm'd him a day or so ago but wasn't sure.
Josh X
03-24-2005, 08:41 PM
Yeah I'm deff interested.
Those boxes look very nice. And the tekken layout is there! I'm definatly in for this.
So how much owuld the sanwa ready tekken layout box cost?
And just include shipping in that price.
And I assume that I can use sanwa clip in buttons and the jflp with the mounting plate?
An answer asap would be ncie so I can get my cash together...
True_Tech
03-24-2005, 10:08 PM
gotta wait till payday on the first :( but i'm down to get one of the boxes
couple of questions, does it matter what kind of buttons i get,and since everything is already routed and such do you still have to countersink the screws so that they dont' have to show up on the front of the plexi this is gonna be my first stick so i dont' wanna fuck it up
usedelectronics
03-26-2005, 08:04 PM
Hello again everyone,
As I posted in the arcadecontrols forum, We have been spending a great deal of time preparing our site/forums/and online store getting ready for the release of these boxes.
As soon as I get the dimensioned versions of the button layouts, we are 100% ready to cut out the boxes.
The sanwa style boxes will be cut and routered to fit the snap-in sanwa buttons (large for the control buttons, and small for start/select) from himuragames.com
The sanwa joystick area will be drilled thru and recessed for the sanwa joystick, also from himuragames.com
The Happs sticks will be cut and routered to fit the standard happ competition pushbuttons (same size for both the control buttons and the start/select).
The Happs joystick area will be drilled thru and recessed for the following happs sticks: Perfect 360, Competition, Super, Ultimate.
Please check out our site: www.arcadereview.com in the mean time!
Hey usedelectronics, would it cost extra if I were to order a hybrid stick (comp stick with sawna buttons)?
judomacdaddy
03-27-2005, 10:51 PM
According to those blueprints by byrdo, can the box fit a p360?
usedelectronics
03-28-2005, 01:08 AM
Hey usedelectronics, would it cost extra if I were to order a hybrid stick (comp stick with sawna buttons)?
Probably not.
We are trying to figure out if the sanwa/happ sticks mounting sizes are close enough to be compatible with eachother.
SiLLiEMutAfuKA
03-28-2005, 01:32 AM
Man, really interested in getting one.
Could you provide an official list of the layouts you guys can do?
usedelectronics
03-31-2005, 02:43 AM
Here's the final version of the "sanwa/Byrdo" layout.
What do you guys think?
http://www.arcadereview.com/images/backempty.jpg
http://www.arcadereview.com/images/topempty.jpg
http://www.arcadereview.com/images/topfull.jpg
bigbadcod
03-31-2005, 02:54 AM
Do you guys ship to the UK? if so how much would the shipping be roughly?
SpiffyShoes
03-31-2005, 07:53 AM
Looks pretty good. Although do you think you could move the buttons farther to the right? They seem a little close to the joystick. Also the hole for the joystick seems kind of large for the sanwa dust washer to cover. It should be more or less the same size as the start and select button holes. Other than that it looks great!!
SpiffyShoes
03-31-2005, 07:59 AM
Also is it just me or does that top panel look bigger than 10.75" x 8.25"?
DarkChylde
03-31-2005, 08:39 AM
Looks awesome, hopefully later on you'll offer the astrocity cab layouts.
Also is it just me or does that top panel look bigger than 10.75" x 8.25"?
I agree, even if it is 10.75 x 8.25, I think you should make it slightly smaller. my 2 cents
albert_c
03-31-2005, 10:07 AM
Looks pretty good. Although do you think you could move the buttons farther to the right? They seem a little close to the joystick. Also the hole for the joystick seems kind of large for the sanwa dust washer to cover. It should be more or less the same size as the start and select button holes. Other than that it looks great!!
I would also like to have the buttons farther to the right.
Looks good!
usedelectronics
03-31-2005, 11:17 AM
The Joystick hole is covered by the dust washer (even when moving the stick to its limits) but we could reduce the size slightly.
As for the overall panel size, it is slightly taller than 8.25 in the pictures because it is cut oversize to account for the manual angle cut that has to be made after the router. otherwise it will be exactly 8.25" X 10.75".
The buttons are actually a little further away from the joystick than what I measured on my Tekken 5 hori "style" stick. If you really want more space, we can move them over a bit more.
The panel cannot be made any smaller, without increasing the cost, because the extra room is needed to make the same box compatible with all the various joystick/button layout combinations.
Faight
03-31-2005, 11:27 AM
If you guys are complaining about the size, just buy the thing and cut the top and bottom pieces to the width you want. Everything else SHOULD fit, I hope. I might even cut my own bottom piece, I really have come to not like the lip on my stick cases. I'm trying to mimic the case Tha Darkside did for his Champloo stick. Maybe the bigger version of it, though, with all the naked Falcoon titties on it.
Tha-Darkside
03-31-2005, 12:28 PM
Not sure if it matters to many people but countersinking the mounting bolts for the joystick might not be an option with the wood routed that thin. I agree on the joystick hole being too big as well.
albert_c
03-31-2005, 12:32 PM
Mr. usedelectronics,
When will you be ready to take orders?
tehownage
03-31-2005, 12:46 PM
Whats with all this top mounting any stuff, please make this as easy as possible to assemble. I don't know any of that. =\
usedelectronics
03-31-2005, 03:07 PM
Ok,
The joystick hole size has been reduced to 15/16".
As for the panel thickness, It's kind of a trade off really.. The thickness is currently 1/4" where the joystick mounts, in a effort to keep the handle as far above the surface of the panel.
We could easily reduce the depth of the cutout, but the joystick height would decrease by that amount.
I take it your happy with the button spacing and layout though?
JumpsuitJesse
03-31-2005, 09:28 PM
Will you also have a few boxes made for a headset slot?
True_Tech
03-31-2005, 09:30 PM
it all looks good to me
countersinking = good i don't want my bolts to show on the outside of my plexi how much would you have to reduce it so that countersinking would be an option?
usedelectronics
03-31-2005, 10:51 PM
Here's the most recent version My partner cut out today..
Ultra small joystick hole, and improved button "notches".
Notice the buttons are spaced slightly further apart than byrdos. Is this O.K. or would you prefer them to be closer.
My concern with putting them really close together, is that the plexi gets really thin in the areas between them.
http://arcadereview.com/images/router/6.jpg
http://arcadereview.com/images/router/8.jpg
usedelectronics
03-31-2005, 11:49 PM
Will you also have a few boxes made for a headset slot?
I don't understand? Headset slot?
True_Tech
03-31-2005, 11:56 PM
it looks tight to me i'm about to send rod my email with my order the top 2 are drilled for the 24mm buttons right?
I don't understand? Headset slot?
He means the XBox live headset slot, link here http://www.xbox.com/en-us/live/about/guide-voice.htm, I think the majority of people won't care for this, I wouldn't want.
SpiffyShoes
04-01-2005, 09:00 AM
Not sure if it matters to many people but countersinking the mounting bolts for the joystick might not be an option with the wood routed that thin. I agree on the joystick hole being too big as well.
I don't think countersinking will be a problem aslong as you have a countersink drill bit. I've countersunk bolts in much thinner material than this.
Notice the buttons are spaced slightly further apart than byrdos. Is this O.K. or would you prefer them to be closer.
My concern with putting them really close together, is that the plexi gets really thin in the areas between them.
If you think you could get them closer together without compromising the plexi that would be great.
frogg609
04-01-2005, 09:53 AM
I still want to buy two of these, one sanwa style and one happs. they are looking really nice btw.
waglo
04-01-2005, 12:24 PM
Im down for the original byrdo spacing as well, if you can get the byrdo spec without sacrificing button spacing, that would be great.
waglo
04-01-2005, 01:34 PM
Regarding what I just said, I saw pics of the finalized layout on arcadecontrols.com and actually, it looks great. Either choice is fine by me.
albert_c
04-01-2005, 05:41 PM
It looks great. My only concern is that Himura games has only blue and yellow start buttons. We'll be forced to use those colors for the 24mm holes.
will there still be an 8-button layout? i know i mentioned this before but i honestly hate having to grab another controller in order to handle some of my modded xbox's functions. if it's possible, i would appreciate it. if i'm the only person wanting one and it's too much trouble, then i also understand.
usedelectronics
04-03-2005, 12:47 AM
Ok Everyone, the "byrdo/redoctane" style 6 button sanwa layout is finished.
The boxes are cut, and we are ready to accept pre-orders that will ship within 2 weeks.
Here's the final pictures of the top layout. We reduced the size of the joystick hole, and moved the buttons to the right further.
We also moved the start/select buttons together. Also, we moved all the main buttons closer together.
http://www.arcadereview.com/images/finalbottom.jpg
Notice the routered circle to act as a drilling guide for the joystick in the following pic:
http://www.arcadereview.com/images/finalbottomhole.jpg
http://www.arcadereview.com/images/finaltop.jpg
True_Tech
04-03-2005, 12:57 AM
how we preordering by pming you or somewhere on the site i'm trying to make sure i get one asap
usedelectronics
04-03-2005, 01:24 AM
To keep things easier for us, Please see the following thread:
Arcadereview Joystick Pre-order Thread (http://arcadereview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=163#163)
True_Tech
04-03-2005, 01:47 AM
posted in thread plus asked a question if plexi is included since you didn't mention that if its part of the kit in your description i know it was on the prototype so is probably is but i wanna make sure
tuelpo
04-03-2005, 10:43 AM
looks solid. I've no need for a new stick atm, but you'll really help out a lot of newb stick-builders with these; not to mention that Rod should get a solid business bump this month :). Maybe SpiffyShoes will get one and I'll finally get off my ass to go see it, and whoop him in whatever game he finds pleasurable. ;)
Did you consider countersinking holes on the sides for washers and screws hold it together? I have an unreasonable distrust of adhesives. I would think that fewer people would have C-clamps than
screwdrivers.
Hell, you could drill for hinges, throw in all the screws, washers and hinges in a ziploc bag, and sell a 'Premium' kit for more to cover the cost and a profit to lazy bastards like me.
you should hit the vf4 forum. all... 11 of us would get a 3 button.
Josh X
04-03-2005, 11:48 AM
Any word on when the tekken style layout will be available?
And are the start select holes for the 24 mm buttons?
If so then crap....
all I gots is 6 30 mm....
anyone wanna trade 2 24 mm for 2 30 mm?
the buttons are red and never used...
lol preferably a trade for yellow buttons...
damn....
And is the 4 buttons layout gunna cost less since it's less holes?
usedelectronics
04-03-2005, 07:08 PM
The tekken style box will be coming in a few weeks.
As for price, the amount of materials required is the same for all the button combinations. Therefore, the price will be the same, as there is little time/material saved by cutting 2 fewer holes.
Josh X
04-03-2005, 07:55 PM
Ah okay. But the start and select button holes are 24mm holes right?
Or can that change depending on what is wanted?
usedelectronics
04-03-2005, 08:37 PM
correct. The start/select holes are for the small samwa buttons.
The sanwa boxes have been set up for only sanwa parts at this point.
True_Tech
04-03-2005, 08:52 PM
i can't wait i preordered in the thread and today i went out shopping for paint today, tomorrow i gotta get a solder iron w00t usedelectronics you're my hero
Junkyard God
04-04-2005, 01:41 PM
usedelectronics,
are you offering the wood to be cut/routed for topmounting as well?
thanks.
usedelectronics
04-04-2005, 04:18 PM
No, We are only offering bottom mount configurations at this time.
Shortboi
04-04-2005, 05:11 PM
box looks good, please keep us updated with the Happ boxes though, as those are the only ones im interested in.
DarkChylde
04-06-2005, 10:20 PM
I was wondering one thing about the boxes: are there going to countersunk holes to mount the joystick? or is the routed panel to thin to do so?
True_Tech
04-06-2005, 10:52 PM
damn i hope they countersink the holes, are the screw in buttons harder to put in then the snap in cause all rod had in yellow were screw ins
lseelba
04-08-2005, 12:43 AM
I need a Happ box with six buttons (X, Square, Circle, Triangle, R1, R2), and a start but no select button. I'll keep my eye on this thread for when you offer the Happ stuff.
usedelectronics
04-10-2005, 10:36 PM
The pictures of the finished Sanwa/Byrdo 6 button box are noew posted on my site.
The item is currently being added to our online store, and are packaged and ready to ship! :clap:
True_Tech
04-10-2005, 10:38 PM
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY and my buttons and stick should be here tomorrow !!!!!
Is the form up for us to order, or do we email usedelectronics or something? I've checked the shop but it's empty.
usedelectronics
04-11-2005, 12:37 AM
Sorry but the store is currently being updated. It should be done sometime tonight, and be available late tomorrow at the latest.
usedelectronics
04-13-2005, 12:15 AM
Store's OPEN! :tup:
Get them while they last!
Arcadereview.com STORE! (http://www.arcadereview.com/catalog/index.php)
True_Tech
04-13-2005, 12:21 AM
YES just did my order :D
lseelba
04-13-2005, 01:23 AM
Any word on when the Happ boxes will be available? They'd be identical to the Sanwa ones except the size of the holes and the mounting layout of the stick. Thanks!
Shodokan123
04-13-2005, 04:03 AM
Any word on when the Happ boxes will be available? They'd be identical to the Sanwa ones except the size of the holes and the mounting layout of the stick. Thanks!
i beleive he knows this...
anyway... we need bigger pictures on your site. I will order once i get a few good feedbacks on your behalf.
usedelectronics
04-13-2005, 11:13 AM
Any word on when the Happ boxes will be available? They'd be identical to the Sanwa ones except the size of the holes and the mounting layout of the stick. Thanks!
As mentioned previously, the happ boxes and other layouts won't be out for a few weeks.
As for larger pictures, there are a couple posted on my site of the kit components now.
usedelectronics
04-14-2005, 12:50 AM
The response so far has been pretty impressive!
Kit's have already been shipped, and more are shiping tomorrow.
Let us know how you like them everyone.
MuerteBringer
04-14-2005, 07:44 AM
The response so far has been pretty impressive!
Kit's have already been shipped, and more are shiping tomorrow.
Let us know how you like them everyone.
i prefer to use happ buttons does it make a diffrence or is thee an option to order that particular kit
DarkChylde
04-14-2005, 08:45 AM
The only kits he is offering right now is the Sanwa one. There is a poll on his site on what kit he will be offering next, so vote.
http://www.arcadereview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33
bigbadboaz
04-14-2005, 02:47 PM
Hey, what's the feasibility of mounting Happ Competition buttons in the kits currently shipping? My ideal stick would be Sanwa stick/Happ buttons. Will the Comps fit and be properly supported, perhaps with minor modification to the existing holes? Or is it best to wait for a newer kit?
DarkChylde
04-14-2005, 06:35 PM
Sanwa buttons are a bit bigger than Happ buttons, if you screw em on tight enuff then they shouldn't slide too much.
N-Ken
04-17-2005, 09:35 AM
I got my kits yesterday, size seems impressive and everything looks good. I have some uncertainties on what parts I need now and how to put it all together though. usedelectronics when do you think that tutorial for its construction will be up?
usedelectronics
04-17-2005, 03:22 PM
Wow!
Glad to hear they arrived so quickly!
I will do my best to get the tutorial up tonight, at the latest by tomorrow.
Thanks again for the order.
N-Ken
04-17-2005, 05:01 PM
Excellent!
And yeah, I was very happily surprised to get them so quick.
Especially all the way over in VA.
controlcommerce
04-20-2005, 11:47 AM
The kit's turned out to be higher than my expectations. And my expectations were pretty darn high. If anyone is still questioning a purchase, just give in and buy. Great service, product and guy.
SpiffyShoes
04-20-2005, 01:55 PM
I just recieved mine today and they turned out great!!
True_Tech
04-20-2005, 08:40 PM
mine came today i won't have time to put it together till probably sunday so i'll make sure to make a thread all about the g-unit sanwa stick
quick question on the plexi or whatever you call it do i just get a wet rag and just rub the cardboard off still its clear?
454Casull
04-20-2005, 09:06 PM
The protective cover is applied with an adhesive. You can just peel it off.
Unless you're talking about something else?
True_Tech
04-20-2005, 09:38 PM
naw the side without the adhesive is brown i'm wondering if i just get a wet rag and wipe it off i'm assuming i do i just wanna confirm it
DarkChylde
04-21-2005, 07:11 AM
Both sides have adhesive. I put one of my boxes together yesterday, excellent quality on the boxes.
angryliberal
04-21-2005, 07:39 AM
how come the single isn't available anymore? i was thinking about purchasing one, but i only have the parts for a single joystick, i can't really use 2 cases
usedelectronics
04-21-2005, 05:36 PM
Sorry for not replying sooner, but I've been busy.
Thanks for the compliments! We put a lot of effort into making sure everything was "perfect"..
As for the Plexi-Question Just peel the paper/adhesive off both sides. Dont wet it. That'll just make it harder to remove.
As for the single kit inventory, We had actually run out of kits!
There was one dual kit packaged up and in inventory though.
We have more kits in stock now, and I'll update the store tonight, (Along with the assembly instructions!)
Thanks again for your interest/purchases. :tup:
454Casull
04-21-2005, 06:05 PM
naw the side without the adhesive is brown i'm wondering if i just get a wet rag and wipe it off i'm assuming i do i just wanna confirm it
If there isn't an adhesive, then the brown stuff wouldn't be on it, now would it? You should have tried peeling it off in the first place. Even if it didn't work, you wouldn't have been able to damage it in any way.
True_Tech
04-21-2005, 08:04 PM
i did try to peel it off but i didn't see any part hanging off like on the other side i had to scrape part of the paper off so i could get my finger nail under there to peel the rest off
Hwoarvang
04-21-2005, 08:25 PM
Sorry if this was asked.
How much are these precuts running for?
usedelectronics
04-21-2005, 09:18 PM
ARCADEREVIEW JOYSTICK KIT ORDERING INFORMATION (http://www.arcadereview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18)
Click the text above for pricing etc.
As for the plexi peeling:
The paper is cut clean on the plexi on the side thats down during the routering.
The other side gets a bit frayed, making peeling easier.
usedelectronics
04-21-2005, 09:57 PM
By the way,
For those who asked, the single and double kits are back in inventory in our store.
ParryPerson
04-21-2005, 10:22 PM
Still waiting for the HAPP stuff to be up.
True_Tech
04-24-2005, 01:57 AM
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/8947/picture0010bt.jpg
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/6078/picture0020tq.jpg
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/9110/picture0033oq.jpg
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/2500/picture0040ew.jpg
angryliberal
04-26-2005, 08:19 AM
usedelectronics - i have access to 2 cnc routers. is there anyway i can get the vector artwork you used to cut from? an eps or dxf file would be nice, if its possible. if not, cool. i can probably make it from scratch, but i like the cutouts for the sanwa parts on the bottom of the top panel, i can do hatch/island fills and such, and those layouts would be helpful.
JumpsuitJesse
04-26-2005, 06:41 PM
Someone post a noobie walkthrough on how to put this thing together and make it look really really good.
Thanks :)
fivehit
04-26-2005, 06:55 PM
post a walkthrough on how to put that thing together? it's really fucking easy.
controlcommerce
04-26-2005, 08:38 PM
http://www.arcadereview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38
DarkChylde
04-26-2005, 09:23 PM
Someone post a noobie walkthrough on how to put this thing together and make it look really really good.
Thanks :)
Clicky Clicky (http://www.arcadereview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38)
usedelectronics
04-26-2005, 11:14 PM
usedelectronics - i have access to 2 cnc routers. is there anyway i can get the vector artwork you used to cut from? an eps or dxf file would be nice, if its possible. if not, cool. i can probably make it from scratch, but i like the cutouts for the sanwa parts on the bottom of the top panel, i can do hatch/island fills and such, and those layouts would be helpful.
Unfortunatly we can't release the plans. We invested a bit of time working the bugs out of our design, and it wouldn't make business sense to give that effort away.
Sorry.
usedelectronics
04-26-2005, 11:30 PM
By the way...
There is some prototype sanwa tops, and some Happ 10 button tops available on the site.
Click here! (http://www.arcadereview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44)
angryliberal
04-27-2005, 07:20 AM
Unfortunatly we can't release the plans. We invested a bit of time working the bugs out of our design, and it wouldn't make business sense to give that effort away.
Sorry.
completely understand. i've been using a cnc router for 5 years, so, i imagine i can put something together. thank you anyways.
fivehit
04-27-2005, 07:40 AM
used electronics -
byrdo gave away his designs. and then he gave away his button layouts. this is work that he did. and now you won't even release your "improvements" because you want to protect your "business"? wtf?
that was byrdo's choice. it's not even byrdo's design so i don't see what you're bitching about. usedelectronics has taken that design and improved upon it to his liking and he runs a business. it's up to him whether or not he wants to release his design. he has no obligation to you or anyone else. in fact, he's doing everyone a favor by building boxes
so STFU and show some appreciation
fivehit
04-27-2005, 08:35 AM
wow. i like what you're saying, drew. so when someone puts up designs on the internet FOR FREE other people are allowed to MAKE A PROFIT off of that person's work and claim that it was THEIR OWN WORK and that's why he can't share.
i'd appreciate it if he made didn't claim it was his design and that he had a right to it. nice try, tho, you almost didn't sound like an idiot defending a theif.
also: you're wrong (http://www.byrdo.org/small_sanwa_blueprint.htm). again.
leaveal
04-27-2005, 08:48 AM
is routing the stick area really necessary?
won't i end up with a rather long shaft sticking out of the box?
(i prefer sticks short. just about as short as Horis.)
byrdo's designs are only MAS and RO clones. plus the measurements for the stick aren't even complete. spiffy and usedelectronics improved and actually "fixed" the problems with the bare measurements on that page. usedelectronics never said the byrdo design was his. he said the imrpovements are his. the designs are still on brydo's website.
it's like saying japanese aren't allowed to make money on cars because americans built them first.
angryliberal has no problem. i don't understand why you do
N-Ken
04-27-2005, 09:07 AM
I wanted to say that byrdo doesnt make MAS clones, otherwise I do agree. I dont even think it has to do with "improvements" or box design or what have you, its the fact that a draw for him doing it is his CNC router, each cut is going to be the same, each cut is going to be clean and etc. If he gave out those plans, someone else can start selling those boxes(not saying angry was going to sell them). Or howabout for quite simply if you're selling a product you dont tell someone how you can go home and make it yourself.
DarkChylde
04-27-2005, 09:18 AM
is routing the stick area really necessary?
won't i end up with a rather long shaft sticking out of the box?
(i prefer sticks short. just about as short as Horis.)
Routing is necessary for it to be mounted with the correct height. I'm not sure about this, but I don't think that the shaft length of a Hori and a Sanwa are that much different.
And fivehit: First off it's not like Darkside is complaining, hell he even expressed interest in buying a box to save the time and effort.And yes, he is selling them for a profit, he put time and effort in figuring out how out those tweaks and is mass producing them, why wouldn't he? And he's helping out the arcade community by providing these boxes to us.
angryliberal
04-27-2005, 10:00 AM
honestly, looking back on my request, it was stupid. usedelectronics has every right to hold onto his carefully desinged plans. in my years of programming a cnc router, and also the last few months of designing a stick case, its not easy work. it takes a good understanding of the machine, vector artwork and engineering. also, like someone else said, whats to stop me from simply producing my own clones? all-in-all, this is an AMAZING service, and i plan on buying one of the cases myself as soon as i have the funds...
fivehit
04-27-2005, 10:24 AM
right, liberal isn't mad (ha..) and neither is byrdo. that's not the point.
i'm not sure if you want to just disagree on the facts, but the way i see it the usedelectronics stick design is mostly, if not all, Pre-cut Sanwa Boxes using Byrdo's Blueprints (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2322592&posted=1) (e.g. made by byrdo). that means it's stolen. then he said, in his 'justification' in keeping the design to himself that it was rightfully his own design. that's all i'm pointing out. i suppose it has to do with my position with freeware and free-design in general and his selling other people's work, but i feel as though i had to have pointed it out _even if it doesn't bother anyone_.
it's not like building cars (wtf? that's a horrible analogy) at all. it's more along the lines of someone selling artwork that they "modified" and mass produced. is that fair?
usedelectronics
04-27-2005, 11:22 AM
The title of this thread was created by spiffyshoes, not myself.
Additionally, I never indicated that these plans were anything other than a adaptation of the "Byrdo" (Which he "borrowed" from red octane if I'm not mistaken..http://www.redoctanegames.com/Products/arcadestick.html)
We have made several changes to these sticks, although the overall design remains similar to the redoctane/byrdo box.
I never claimed this design as my own, with the exception of MY OWN modifications, and the 3d models, designs, and CNC router G-code, that was completely created by Iggy and myself of arcadereview. This was accomplished using input from all interested parties, using many dimensions provided by spiffyshoes, and others.
N-Ken
04-27-2005, 12:20 PM
right, liberal isn't mad (ha..) and neither is byrdo. that's not the point.
i'm not sure if you want to just disagree on the facts, but the way i see it the usedelectronics stick design is mostly, if not all, Pre-cut Sanwa Boxes using Byrdo's Blueprints (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2322592&posted=1) (e.g. made by byrdo). that means it's stolen. then he said, in his 'justification' in keeping the design to himself that it was rightfully his own design. that's all i'm pointing out. i suppose it has to do with my position with freeware and free-design in general and his selling other people's work, but i feel as though i had to have pointed it out _even if it doesn't bother anyone_.
it's not like building cars (wtf? that's a horrible analogy) at all. it's more along the lines of someone selling artwork that they "modified" and mass produced. is that fair?
Alright, you need to understand some things:
1. You CANNOT have an expectation to copyright on cuts of wood alone. Anyone can get MDF, anyone can make those cuts.
2. Byrdo posted those for everyone to use them. Note by the time he posted those dimensions he had moved on to designing even smaller boxes and working on new innovations, he was basically done with the boxes in question.
3. In those designs, there are no assembly instructions, no hole dimensions, no routing figures. It is strictly the dimensions of the wood surface, and the size of MDF used. Everything else was usedelectronics getting numbers from either himself, spiffy, or what have you.
4. How much profit is usedelectronics making again? Raw materials alone arent exactly far from that, figuring in labor, servicing, etc. There just is NOT going to be a huge profit margin for them. I know in fantasy land there is some Arcade Robin Hood with you throwing around free already assembled boxes with arcade parts in them, but here in reality it doesnt work like that. Im pretty sure that if it were STRICTLY for the money, he'd have something better he could do, but this did come from arcadecontrols.com, I imagine he has some interest in the scene itself or he wouldnt be there. I really dont see why him making a couple bucks for his effort is an issue?
But all in all, there is no problem from the "creator" that he is supposedly "ripping off". That signals compliance, which further signals consent, which means there is no ethical business problem. So you're argument was void on its on guidelines before it even started.
fivehit
04-27-2005, 12:54 PM
as i said, i'm used to the freeware community and how it treats everything communally. even if it doesn't bother anyone, the bottom line is that its still selling someone else's work.
E.G. he is benefitting from work that someone else shared with him.
that's really, actually, fine if no one is bothered. but he refused to share himself due to business competition?
whatever, if you guys can handle the narcisism, that's fine. this is just my point of view. i guess i have nothing more to say.
usedelectronics
04-27-2005, 12:54 PM
Additionally, as you can see in this thread..
I do not have any desire to "steal" byrdo's origional designs.
Click here. (http://www.arcadereview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33)
I have had LOTS of requests for byrdo's lower profile design, but will not be producing them for the very reason of stealing his business.
Just for clarification, It's not the overall design of the box I am protecting as my own. It's my electronic plans, with my specific modifications to make the design "better".
I'd be more than happy to share electronic versions of byrdo's blueprint if people want it.
usedelectronics
05-02-2005, 10:38 PM
Additional info about the current design:
Happ pushbuttons fit in the sanwa holes pretty well.
The hole is slightly large for the Happ buttons, but if tightened down, they should work fine.
If you wanted to use a sanwa stick, with happ buttons, the current panel would work (You still have to use sanwa buttons for the start/select holes however..)
:tup:
usedelectronics
06-14-2005, 01:51 AM
Hello Everyone..
Clearing out some extra kits...
Click Here! (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8199010693)
Reduced price and the 2 for 1 shipping still applies!
Get em while they last! :tup:
metrock1
06-14-2005, 08:59 AM
Cant anyone just take meaurements off of a redoctane/byrdo and then improve adjust to their own liking? I think so and whats so wrong with that. Cmon people. I know I have used other sticks as the base for many of my designs and I find them very good with minor tweeks to sell to other PEOPLE. I never saw wood as FREEWARE or the cuts beeing made to them. Also I do believe usedelectronics did say he was protecting his mods and electronic design, not byrdos.
Shortboi
06-14-2005, 11:08 AM
any word on the HAPP style boxes, just the straight 6. I havent been here in a while..but i still really really want one bad.
I agree, screw that japanese crap, If I were going to buy one of these kits, I'd want a american style layout with straight buttons.
Shortboi
06-20-2005, 07:16 PM
so thats a no?...or are you just busy?
usedelectronics
07-18-2005, 12:34 PM
Sorry everyone,
We've been extremely busy on some non-arcade related items.
*Hopefully* I can squeeze in a few Happs style kits in the next week or so.
canoshiz
07-18-2005, 12:52 PM
I bought one of the Sanwa boxes.... it's awesome. Thanks a bunch. I have a question though, the plexi is supposed to be a bit big right? (so it "pops" in like you said on the assembly instructions)
bigbadcod
07-20-2005, 02:15 AM
Usedelectronics i sent you a PM dude any chance of a sanwa pre-cut box being shipped to the UK?
EDIT, i just read your site that you dont ship outside the US, any reason for this i dont mind paying the postage costs and any other costs you may incur.
If usedelectronics cant help me out anyone else do these boxes that would be willing to ship to the UK??
usedelectronics
07-30-2005, 02:11 AM
Yes, The plexi is cut a hair larger than the top, so it is a tight fit.
As for the UK shipments, send me an address at my arcadereview email, and I'll get you a price.
Thanks!
Shortboi
07-30-2005, 08:56 AM
great, im glad to see you are still trying to make them. I know I will buy one as SOON as you make it. I really want a new box bad. Thanks and please keep me posted....
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