Tekken 5 Joystick = North American players get owned?

[Rezo]

Appearantly, the Hori Real Arcade Pro joystick bundle in Japan is based on Real Arcade Pro *Special Edition/Addition*

http://www.the-magicbox.com/0502/game050215d.shtml

Reference page:
http://www.hori.jp/products/ps2/controller/realarc_pro_s/index.html


While the North American bundle is based on old regular Real Arcade Pro Model

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx_assets/special_product_pages/Tekken5/Tekken5_stick.jpg

reference:
http://www.hori.ne.jp/products/ps2/controller/realarc_pro/index.html


anyone wants to make comments about this?

btw, the major differences of a RAP SP and a regular RAP is that SP's got buttons mapped better,
and its buttons are manifatured by either seimitsu/sanwa
(both are famous japanese arcade cabinet parts producer),
while a regular RAP has the buttons made by some unknown companies.
Also there is a 20USD difference in price of the 2.

[Shadowhaxor]

Well, that would make sense, since the new HRAP isn't being released until march, and japan isn't getting T5 until march. It's still typical Namco bullshit giving the Japan audience more, rather than their largest game base, which is the USA/Canada.

[mannerbot]

I don't think anyone other than the two of you that assumed that the Japanese bundle will be sold for the ridiculously low price of $100. :rolleyes:

[KnownasWolf]

Um yeah we kinda knew that already.

[Shadowhaxor]

I don't think anyone other than the two of you that assumed that the Japanese bundle will be sold for the ridiculously low price of $100. :rolleyes:

Actually, since you never saw me say I expected the Japanese stick, did you? I was the one that said that makes sense. I already knew we were not getting the special edition stick.

Though, thats not gonna stop me from selling my T5 stick and getting it. :tup:

[WasFemto]

I like the one we are getting. I don't like the button layout on the japanese won.

[ArcadeStickMonk]

Well, that Tekken stick looks like a RAP, but is it really a RAP? That is, is it oing to have the JLF stick in it when it comes stateside or just a Hori?

[Gaijinblaze]

The average North American gamer won't have a clue what the difference is between the two sticks, and I'm sure Namco knows that.

[Gen-An]

The average North American gamer has no interest in these joysticks whatsoever, and/or have no idea that they even exist. This is special campaign for gamers like the ones that frequent SRK and the like. That being said, I can't imagine Namco would use anything other than a Sanwa stick in these.

[tigerhobs]

Just move the buttons over to the left one, and tape the L2 and L1 microswitches somewhere harmless. Then you'll have the 4 buttons for tekken in the same spot as the jap stick (roughly, if not exactly).

The button layout was done b/c american arcade goers are used to a more square box and the japs a diamond. Personally, I prefer diamond so i may switch up the microswitches if possible. Even if the wires didn't stretch, I CANNOT IMAGINE it's a hard wiring that an amateur like me couldn't pull off.

Then, if you want sanwa buttons instead (if the RAP buttons are really that bad and like the FS2 buttons), then order them from himura for 12 bucks for 4 (assuming tekken). I haven't heard bad things about the RAP stock buttons, but if you're THAT picky, then go ahead. On the FS2, the worst buttons ever might I add, I could get off every JF as good as always, so I don't see what the big deal is unless they're inconsistent.

[Gen-An]

Appearantly, the Hori Real Arcade Pro joystick bundle in Japan is based on Real Arcade Pro *Special Edition/Addition*

http://www.the-magicbox.com/0502/game050215d.shtml

Reference page:
http://www.hori.jp/products/ps2/controller/realarc_pro_s/index.html


While the North American bundle is based on old regular Real Arcade Pro Model

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx_assets/special_product_pages/Tekken5/Tekken5_stick.jpg

reference:
http://www.hori.ne.jp/products/ps2/controller/realarc_pro/index.html


anyone wants to make comments about this?

btw, the major differences of a RAP SP and a regular RAP is that SP's got buttons mapped better,
and its buttons are manifatured by either seimitsu/sanwa
(both are famous japanese arcade cabinet parts producer),
while a regular RAP has the buttons made by some unknown companies.
Also there is a 20USD difference in price of the 2.

Neither the US nor the Jpn T5 sticks have the turbo button functionality of the HRAPs. All we know for sure is the button layout of the US version is like the original HRAP and that of the Jpn version is like the new HRAPs. Other than that, the US and Jpn T5 sticks resemble each other more than they do anything else. I think it's too soon to speculate on the US getting shafted since no one knows what buttons or sticks will be in either the US version or the Japan version of the T5 stick.

[Bucket]

I like the one we are getting. I don't like the button layout on the japanese won.

Yeah at first I did not see the logic of the new button layout. I think they the new layout is meant to cater to the japanse crowd who play with the stick on a table in front of them. Whereas the older design is meant to cater to the people who play with the stick on their lap.

Now watch as the unrully srk mob screams, nah duh, stupid... :rolleyes:

[box]

For those of you interested in the Japanese T5 version of the stick (the one with sanwa buttons most likely)...

Lik-Sang.com and Play-asia.com has it up for preorders and they are the same price as the original HRAPs. And will ship em on March 31st.

http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=22&products_id=6524&

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-70-imt.html

[DevilJin 01]

Dude...100 bucks for a whole game and a stick that good in the US? U can't even fucking buy Japanese sticks in the US anymore (really, when have u ever?). That's a good deal. Even if it's not the UBER special edition. :rolleyes:

I already have a modded Pelican Real Arcade and it would be awesome to have a Japanese stick to go along with it to test the difference. Besides, it would be easy as hell to mod with some sanwa parts. This shit is mine when my tax return money comes in. :devil:

[mannerbot]

Ok, the stick isn't a Sanwa. NA players got owned. :tdown:

[buttasuperb]

Ok, the stick isn't a Sanwa. NA players got owned. :tdown:

The stick still works great.

Me = Not owned.

Still sucks that it ain't a Sanwa.

[ThyAllMighty]

if the buttons are not sanwa, will they feel like sanwa at least? i don't give a fuck if they're not sanwa as long as it feels like sanwa. it better not be the soul calibur buttons, i don't like those

[DevilJin 01]

Yeah, even if it isn't Sanwa I'm still buying the shit. All you gotta do is buy some Sanwa parts and mod that shit the fuck in.

[platinum_pinoy]

http://www.himuragames.com

Replace the stick. Problem solved. When buying the T5 package, you basically paid like $30 for the joystick. So, value wise, it is still a bargain.

[Gen-An]

I wouldn't say owned...Standard Hori parts are still good, and when was the last time a Japan-style stick had an official US release? The Dreamcast stick back in 1999? It would be nice if they would divorce it from the bundle and sell them individually, as I could use a spare stick for modding purposes.

[armad1ll0]

http://www.himuragames.com

Replace the stick. Problem solved. When buying the T5 package, you basically paid like $30 for the joystick. So, value wise, it is still a bargain.

Card board boxes are worth near nothing, you paid $45 for the stick which is about right.

[Rezo]

http://www.himuragames.com

Replace the stick. Problem solved. When buying the T5 package, you basically paid like $30 for the joystick. So, value wise, it is still a bargain.

that calculation isn't right

Tekken 5 = 49.99
Tekken 5 bundle =99.99
how did u come up with the 30 dollar difference

[Sex)packets]

question:

on himuragames, do i buy the stick with the mounting plate or no?

[majeh]

that calculation isn't right

Tekken 5 = 49.99
Tekken 5 bundle =99.99
how did u come up with the 30 dollar difference

the dvd case.

[Orochi Jeebus]

or art book?

[Jaime]

http://img117.exs.cx/img117/5620/namcowned2iw.jpg

[Soul Survivor]

personally, i don't it's that bad at all...i actually have more of a problem with the buttons that the stick itself...it's no sanwa, but i'm not paying an extra $30 for a JLF sanwa stick plus labor to get someone to mod it for me...

and it's still a good deal for the price...people just got their hopes up a little too high thinking it was a RAP from the start...

[Spiderjericho]

I tried the stick today. This is the first time I've bought a joystick for a home console. And I have to say I'm disappointed, but not because of the whole cheap parts. I don't like the joystick. It's different than the ones I've used in arcades. Is this a Japanese joystick?

[KnownasWolf]

Yeah it's a jap stick but after a while you will get use to it and you might like it more than American sticks. That's what happened to me after playing a while.

I still think this stick is just as good as the agetec dreamcast stick and fells the same. But I will swap for a sanwa stick since the mod does not look to hard.

Imo this stick is a great buy for the price.

[Rezo]

or art book?

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/243666.asp
well, the 49.99 includes the artbook

i relly don't think its worth to spend 50box on a FAP
(Fake Arcade Pro, that is)

[KnownasWolf]

How is it not worth it? Can you name a stick that is just as good as this one for that price?

[armad1ll0]

Hori basically charged around $40 for the SC2 stick. This stick has the same quality parts with the newest larger body that is designed for 8 gameplay buttons. It's a heavy body and does not move around.

I personally really like the smaller 6 button bodies but how can you say that $50 isn't worth it... It's got liscensed art and performs great. I figure that it's really about $45 what they are charging you for the sitck. $5 for the DVD binder box.

It's much better than the Nuby and what do they charge for that? $69????

They basically charge $79 for RAP, CFJ-RAP and they get turbo switches. The TKN5-RAP is also $79 w/out the turbo switches. $35 is what they consider the difference of the Sanwa JLF part? Obviously the US versions are discounted for the bundle.

[Shifty Nevers]

compared to a mas, how big is it?? and can you do 360's smoothly (i may use it for SF) or is the joystick a square shape?

[Tritone]

I have a RAP which has the same case. It's not quite as big as a MAS, but it is still pretty big. Think a little wider than an Xbox, but not quite as tall or as deep, and much lighter.

[Rezo]

I have a RAP which has the same case. It's not quite as big as a MAS, but it is still pretty big. Think a little wider than an Xbox, but not quite as tall or as deep, and much lighter.


I'd say I'll rather spend the same amount of money for a Hori SC2 or a TK4 Joystick, which is much ligher in weight and much smaller in size, but still have the same performence to this heavy crap.

or I'll just spend extra 20 dollars for a real arcade pro

[blueoakleyz]

are you freaking kidding?
you're saying the size and weight of this is a NEGATIVE? wow

[b1gazn]

I LOVE THE HRAP. That shit is SO sturdy.

[Rezo]

are you freaking kidding?
you're saying the size and weight of this is a NEGATIVE? wow

Joysticks are supposed to be portable,
or u can get 2 of them, one is easy to carry around, the other u
can leave at home and knock somebody's head with it.

no, if size and weight are ur concerns, buy RAP(which I already did), not this Fake Arcade Pro.

[b1gazn]

not this Fake Arcade Pro.


I agree, but after my trade ins and everything I got this bundle for 50 bucks. It was def. worth my purchase. Understandable the HRAP is much better, but I juss figure the Tekken5 stick is like the SF:AC stick. It is good but it has A LOT of potential.

[KnownasWolf]

Rezo were can I get a RAP for 70 with shipping?

[blueoakleyz]

Joysticks are supposed to be portable,
or u can get 2 of them, one is easy to carry around, the other u
can leave at home and knock somebody's head with it.

no, if size and weight are ur concerns, buy RAP(which I already did), not this Fake Arcade Pro.

Wow
yeah so I usually carry my astrocab in my backpocket.. cuz arcades are so portable. WHO said they are supposed to be portable? I like something I can plunk down in front of me that won't move around a lot.
And there's no need to insult the stick, it's great.
You're paying ~$45 for it with the bundle compared to like $120 or more for an import.

[yoooooon]

http://img117.exs.cx/img117/5620/namcowned2iw.jpg

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

thx to jaime

[PepsimanVsJoe]

I've had no problems with the T5 US fake arcade pro stick. I even plugged it into my laptop via a USB adaptor and did a handful of R-Mika visms. Other than that the stick pulls off standing 360s with no buffer like a dream. Hell now I'm stuck looking for a PSX to Saturn adapter because I wanna trash my saturn pads.

Checked Play-asia links.
$75-80 is all well and good, but then you get hit with $50+ shipping. I got the T5 bundle from Gamestop for $110+ with Overnight shipping and the Game/artbook/dvdcase.

Props to Namco for giving the US an affordable way to get into the FAP scene. :tup:

[N-Ken]

Hori basically charged around $40 for the SC2 stick. This stick has the same quality parts with the newest larger body that is designed for 8 gameplay buttons. It's a heavy body and does not move around.



Right now though where can I find the SC2 stick for $40? I only see it for 60 or above. That makes it even a better deal because you get probably the best Hori stick released in the US for under $50? Yeah the stick was still a good deal, stop whining about it

[Gen-An]

I've had no problems with the T5 US fake arcade pro stick.

What's fake about the T5 stick?

[mannerbot]

What's fake about the T5 stick?

Unlike a Hori Real Arcade Pro, the stick isn't a Sanwa.

[lseelba]

If it were a Sanwa, would it still have the square gate? Because I'm not sure i can pull off supers with ease (especially in GGXX#R) with a square gate. How do you get used to not feeling the sides?

[tuelpo]

I liked it even better when I sold the game back and used EB's buy 2 get one deal for MGS3, Ratchet and Clank: UYA, and Phantom Brave for just 12 more bucks. I switched the sticks last night with little trouble. So now for about 140-150 I got a good 3 game bundle, a spiffy, sturdy stick, and a stupid art book I can roll up and beat people with when they say they're tired of VF4 and want to play tekken.

[Toodles]

I liked it even better when I sold the game back and used EB's buy 2 get one deal for MGS3, Ratchet and Clank: UYA, and Phantom Brave for just 12 more bucks. I switched the sticks last night with little trouble. So now for about 140-150 I got a good 3 game bundle, a spiffy, sturdy stick, and a stupid art book I can roll up and beat people with when they say they're tired of VF4 and want to play tekken.
I'd love to hear what you did to mount the stick. Any information or pictures here would be wonderful.

[Gen-An]

Unlike a Hori Real Arcade Pro, the stick isn't a Sanwa.

I don't see how that makes it "fake," it's just not Sanwa. Sanwa isn't the only official Japan stick manufacturer...

[Gen-An]

If it were a Sanwa, would it still have the square gate? Because I'm not sure i can pull off supers with ease (especially in GGXX#R) with a square gate. How do you get used to not feeling the sides?

Sanwa sticks come with square gates by default, but they do make an octogonal gate you can easily replace them with. As for not feeling the sides, there's nothing that says you can't move the stick all the way to the edges on a Sanwa with a square gate...

[mannerbot]

I don't see how that makes it "fake," it's just not Sanwa. Sanwa isn't the only official Japan stick manufacturer...

It's a play on the Real Arcade Pro, since the stick in that is a real arcade stick and the T5 one isn't. :rolleyes:

[tuelpo]

I'm not sure where it is on the board Toodles, but if you search for 'splffyshoes method' or 'catch 22s method' you should be able to find it.

You need to take apart the stick itself and drill/countersink holes in the piece of plastic so you can fasten it to the holes in the metal plate. I had some screws laying around that fit just right w/o countersinking.

My camera is on AWOL. If it comes back I'll post pics.

-tuelpo

[Toodles]

Actually I did that search, and did see the post I think you mean, about screwing in just the black piece. What I wasn't sure of was if the two farthest holes in the black piece could be used solo, or if other holes in the black piece needed drilled (I asked this question in the other tekken bundle thread, didn't get a specific answer). If the conclusion is that two screws used in hand drilled holes in the black piece will hold everything together solidly, then no problem, this should be easy.

[Taichi]

anybody looking to sell theirs?, I'd happily buy it, if you haven't done much to it.....

[Gen-An]

It's a play on the Real Arcade Pro, since the stick in that is a real arcade stick and the T5 one isn't. :rolleyes:

It's simply using the same mold as the RAP. Hori has been recycling joystick molds for years; see Real Arcade PS/T3/T4/SC2 sticks for example. There isn't anything "fake" about the T5 stick, it just doesn't have a Sanwa in it. By that logic every Japan style console stick that doesn't have a Sanwa is a "fake".

[blueoakleyz]

anybody looking to sell theirs?, I'd happily buy it, if you haven't done much to it.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8173727648&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

[WasFemto]

I liked it even better when I sold the game back and used EB's buy 2 get one deal for MGS3, Ratchet and Clank: UYA, and Phantom Brave for just 12 more bucks. I switched the sticks last night with little trouble. So now for about 140-150 I got a good 3 game bundle, a spiffy, sturdy stick, and a stupid art book I can roll up and beat people with when they say they're tired of VF4 and want to play tekken.


Beautiful :clap:

[Taichi]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8173727648&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

hey, thanks, but I'm just looking for the stick (my fault, shoulda been more specific)

if I wanted the whole bundle, my EBGames still has 'em for $100

[blueoakleyz]

hey, thanks, but I'm just looking for the stick (my fault, shoulda been more specific)

if I wanted the whole bundle, my EBGames still has 'em for $100

Yeah I understand your needs, thats why on my auction I give the option to subtract $45 for the game and I keep the game..

[mannerbot]

It's simply using the same mold as the RAP. Hori has been recycling joystick molds for years; see Real Arcade PS/T3/T4/SC2 sticks for example. There isn't anything "fake" about the T5 stick, it just doesn't have a Sanwa in it. By that logic every Japan style console stick that doesn't have a Sanwa is a "fake".

Sure, but when the bundle was first announced, everyone was under the impression that it would be a Real Arcade Pro. There was news that the Real Arcade Pro would be brought to North America, and being that the T5 stick shares the RAP body, it was a natural assumption to make. No, not every Japan style console stick should be considered "fake," because not every Japan style console stick is brought overseas in the guise of another, "real" stick.

I think someone needs to step back and stop getting worked up over what a single poster calls his Tekken 5 stick. :xeye:

I don't call my Tekken Stick a Fake Arcade Pro, but it certainly isn't a Real Arcade Pro. But the nickname sure does work, whether you like/agree with it or not.

[Taichi]

Yeah I understand your needs, thats why on my auction I give the option to subtract $45 for the game and I keep the game..

ahh, guess I didn't read the fine print!

you have a big stack of 'em there, you plan on runnin' more later?

or would you sell me one "Off Ebay"?

if so, lemme know the total, and I'll letcha know if I'm still interested.......

I'd be willing to pay a fair price for the stick, seriously, I wouldn't want to screw you, nor would I want it for a bargain-bin price, despite not being a Sanwa, I KNOW it's still a decent stick (and I will mod it).....and you just don't get quality for cheap.....

I'll probably replace the art as well, but not sure about that yet......anyway, just want a good stick, if not this, then SOMETHING.....

[RLaidEPeas]

As far as i know, you can still buy them on ebgames.com. If you're in the United States, that would probably be a better (cheaper) option for you.

[RLaidEPeas]

If you just want the stick, and don't want the Tekken 5 game, you can easily sell it on ebay for 45 bucks. Just keep it sealed and it will sell.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Yeah, I ordered one today off EB....so they are still selling them.

[zapatistab]

http://namakoteam.com/news.php?id=58

:rofl:

[blueoakleyz]

If you just want the stick, and don't want the Tekken 5 game, you can easily sell it on ebay for 45 bucks. Just keep it sealed and it will sell.

walmart will pay ~$53 for it

[Dark Hadou XS]

Damn some people really need to stop bitching about the stick shit already. When it comes down to it, it ain't the stick, it's your skills. A buddy of mine has a Sanwa modded stick and I have my T5 stick and I have no problems doing moves just as easy if not easier than on the Sanwa stick. In fact he has stated that he can do some moves on my stick better than the Sanwa. Yes he removed the square gate so that's not the problem. I'm not hating on Sanwa because I have two Sanwa sticks of my own I just think some people blew this stuff a little out of proportion. :encore:

[RLaidEPeas]

I just got home with a brand new Real Arcade Pro i got from a local video game store. Paid 125 bucks for it. I also have the Tekken 5 bundle stick, and i've just played with them both and i honestly can't tell much of a difference, if any at all.

The guy told me the only real difference between a hori stick and a sanwa stick is that over time the sanwa stick will probably hold up better and it will be easier to switch out parts if i need to.

Now i'm a newbie when it comes to arcade sticks, but just from my personal experience tonight, the tekken stick feels exactly like the Real Arcade Pro.

[Dark Hadou XS]

First off: congrats on getting a Hori Real Arcade Stick, they are awesome :clap: :clap:, money well spent bro. Secondly: that's what I've been saying, I can't tell a real difference between the sticks to the point where I would have trouble performing moves on one stick as opposed to the other or feel like I'm at some major disadvantage. I'm no way knocking people who perfer Sanwa, hey quality is quality I just addressing those who seem to completely denouce the Hori T5 stick as being totally bad. :encore:

[blueoakleyz]

Yeah I have both sticks as well, not much the difference.. buttons however, are the buttons on the RAP like the on the T5pro?
I'd like to swap those if i had to

[Em0b0i]

so whatchu saying is that i shoudlnt get a HRAP since it feels almost identical to teh tekken 5 stick? if so, im willing to hold out my money for the new batch of the HRAP (white stick!)

[RLaidEPeas]

Well, all i'm saying in my limited time of owning both (Tekken 5 stick for a few days, and the HRAP just a few hours), they feel almost identical to me. I think the buttons on the HRAP feel slightly better (they seem to dip quicker) than the tekken buttons, but for all i know, they might be exactly the same buttons.

As far as the Sanwa stick - it really feels ALOT like the Hori stick to me. Again, keep in mind i'm new to using these jap sticks. I've been using a MAS stick for a while. I'm almost postive if i were blind folded and my hand was put on each stick, i would NOT be able to tell them apart. Visually, the Sanwa stick has a fatter shaft than the Hori. It's also black, while the hori stick is metal. The ball on the sanwa seems to sit a bit lower on the shaft than the Hori stick's ball does.

But so far, they both feel identical to me while playing. I was almost a bit disappointed at how similar they felt. The way everyone worships Sanwa on here, it just was surprising how similar they play.

I think the main reason everyone made so much noise was because they were expecting to get the higher grade stick, and when it was discovered to be a Hori, suddenly the value of the bundle wasn't such a 'steal'. But once you get past 'name value', i don't think there will be much (if any) difference to most people (yes, even hardcore fighting gamers who use sticks all the time).

[armad1ll0]

Actually one thing to note is that the switches will go out all the same from the hori parts and the Sanwa ones. Hori stick often use Omron microswitches which are the same ones that are soldered to the PCB on the Sanwa JLF. The thing is that the Hori's has quick connects (even though it's soldered on) and the JLF uses a 6 pin molex to wire it up properly.

Arcade grade refers to basically the housing and the way that the spring is set in there. Going to the JLF is just to get the exact spacing you are looking for as well as being able to use the GT-Y. I also like that fact that you can go to 4 way on the JLF.

If a microswitch goes out on your Hori, then you can just replace that. On the JLF you have to replace the whole board because of the way that the microswitch is soldered to the PCB and it's mounted on through the solder job.

The JLF is a little more rugged but of the parts that can truely wear out, we are just talking about switches and it's nice to just replace only one.

[Em0b0i]

Well, all i'm saying in my limited time of owning both (Tekken 5 stick for a few days, and the HRAP just a few hours), they feel almost identical to me. I think the buttons on the HRAP feel slightly better (they seem to dip quicker) than the tekken buttons, but for all i know, they might be exactly the same buttons.

As far as the Sanwa stick - it really feels ALOT like the Hori stick to me. Again, keep in mind i'm new to using these jap sticks. I've been using a MAS stick for a while. I'm almost postive if i were blind folded and my hand was put on each stick, i would NOT be able to tell them apart. Visually, the Sanwa stick has a fatter shaft than the Hori. It's also black, while the hori stick is metal. The ball on the sanwa seems to sit a bit lower on the shaft than the Hori stick's ball does.

But so far, they both feel identical to me while playing. I was almost a bit disappointed at how similar they felt. The way everyone worships Sanwa on here, it just was surprising how similar they play.

I think the main reason everyone made so much noise was because they were expecting to get the higher grade stick, and when it was discovered to be a Hori, suddenly the value of the bundle wasn't such a 'steal'. But once you get past 'name value', i don't think there will be much (if any) difference to most people (yes, even hardcore fighting gamers who use sticks all the time).
thanks! you helped me alot...now to find where i can preorder the white Seimitsu HRAP

[THChardcore]

actually arm,

you are wrong. you can use the non pcb omiron switches in a jlf, done it, so that last point is a moot one :) .

[zapatistab]

Damn some people really need to stop bitching about the stick shit already. When it comes down to it, it ain't the stick, it's your skills. A buddy of mine has a Sanwa modded stick and I have my T5 stick and I have no problems doing moves just as easy if not easier than on the Sanwa stick. In fact he has stated that he can do some moves on my stick better than the Sanwa. Yes he removed the square gate so that's not the problem. I'm not hating on Sanwa because I have two Sanwa sticks of my own I just think some people blew this stuff a little out of proportion. :encore:

You have to admit. It's pretty amusing. There are alot of Sanwa Fan Boys here.

[armad1ll0]

actually arm,

you are wrong. you can use the non pcb omiron switches in a jlf, done it, so that last point is a moot one :) .

I've considered grinding out a bad switch on the PCB and since the small posts still hold the microswitch in place. It's a hack job doing it this way to fix a bad switch w/ out swapping out the while board.

My main point in that post was simply to illustrate the actual merits of the Hori housing and the fact that the wear of the quick connect Omron switch will be probably the same as the one connected to the PCB on a JLF... THIS WAS MY POINT.

I hope your really satisfied with yourself just to find any hole in my discussion points. No day job huh....