How to play at higher level? [Archive]

doujinshi_2001

03-01-2005, 08:16 PM

Lately, I've been playing CvS2 and I realized...that I don't FEEL as if I'm improving anyway. I don't understand. I play compeition all around me...but I ever can't improve. How do you think you would go about playing at higher level and eventually to top player status? This is something I'm seriously having trouble improving. I have the basic fundamentals and a good understanding of the game. Hell I even have good execution when linking stuff. But everything still feels the same...like nothing is ever changing. Help? :sad:

randomsuper

03-01-2005, 09:11 PM

PLAY ME CONSTANTLY! :devil:

doujinshi_2001

03-01-2005, 09:12 PM

I would but I don't live in Miami

Heh.

SoleEMU

03-01-2005, 09:30 PM

just play against different ppl, and if you don't have a team ur fully comfortable with, switch some characters... forces a different style of play, which may improve ur overall gameplay

Ouroborus

03-01-2005, 10:33 PM

smoke some weed

Leezy

03-01-2005, 11:06 PM

Seek out good competition. I get lucky 'cause good players live around me, but when I lived in SF, I'd go to SVGL randomly just to play good players.

Mickey D'

03-02-2005, 08:52 AM

You don't always have to play people to become good. The competition here in Seattle is really not to good, however LTB is an extremely good player. He always complains to me about not having good competition here in Seattle, however he still does all that he can in training mode.

Training mode is an excellent way to boost skills like: execution, hit confirming, punishing attacks, anti airing, learning matchups, and other various things.

Training mode is probably your best bet for now. First of all, you need to be patient in your play styles. Not "turtle" patient, but patient in that your not jumping in blindly to get in on your opponent. Secondarily, with a good ground game, almost anyone in this game can beast.

Most importantly understand why you lost. Many players lose and get pissed about it. To become a truly good player, you will have to understand why you lose in your matches. Is it because you were anti aired to much? Because you whiffed a move and got punished hard? Maybe you didn't hit Sagat's c.lkx2 tiger raid in a critical moment (I've done this NUMEROUS times, danm you james austin!).

Anyways, playing people would be your best way of practicing. However triaing mode is also an efficient way of learning Cvs2. Lastly, if you can understand why you lose in matches, you can train yourself for that not to happen again, allowing you to become a better player.

gl0ry

03-02-2005, 10:00 AM

randomsuper

03-02-2005, 11:09 AM

carlos, all you need is a better ground game and you'll be fine. play k or p groove for a while where you'll be more limited and you won't roll or rc as much as you do now when you play a.

and remember, turtling in cvs2 is kind of mandatory. just be patient and wait for an opening. i hope that helps a little.

doujinshi_2001

03-02-2005, 01:09 PM

Shut up carlos, you don't even have the drive to become good in cvs2 :mad:

Seriously me and smooth practice everyday. Goto ECC this year with us.

Top 3 things to practice:
Execution, RC/parry/jd, Ground & counter hit game.

I got the execution, ground and RC game somewhat down but it's still not enough sometimes. I don't play P or K. So process of elimination leaves counter hit. I already scoped out tickets for ECC and they are mad cheap! :wow: I think I'm gonna opt for ECC instead of Texas Showdown because the tickets are too expensive now (Shouldn't have waited so late..!) Oh and I'm gonna start playing CvS2 again, 3s is fun but the character selection is quite limited and gets pretty boring

Random (Ozzie)
I generally don't roll much (those were missed RCs :lol:) or jump that much. I have always turtled in CvS2 but it wasn't "skilled" turtling. Heh

Mickey D'

03-02-2005, 01:14 PM

Shut up carlos, you don't even have the drive to become good in cvs2 :mad:

Seriously me and smooth practice everyday. Goto ECC this year with us.

Top 3 things to practice:
Execution, RC/parry/jd, Ground & counter hit game.

Glory you and smooth practice every day? I dunno why but I'm kinda surprised to read that, mainly because I've always wanted to practice with someone daily, but never could :sad:

When you two play are you two just playin around? Or are you goin hardcore? I think that if people are playin around while playing, they're not really learning as much as they would be when they play really seriously. Anyways, what has playing smooth taught you? Were they really important things? Or where they just in general stuff?

Legendary Gokou

03-02-2005, 02:14 PM

I think whats important is to not Xcopy everything you see. A lot of people just watch match videos and get strats from there. While its nice to know what to expect, if you just imitate what you see you start to lose what made you different from everyone else.

Being creative is always important. Know what your losing to and run options through your mind to counter it.

gl0ry

03-02-2005, 02:42 PM

Glory you and smooth practice every day? I dunno why but I'm kinda surprised to read that, mainly because I've always wanted to practice with someone daily, but never could :sad:

When you two play are you two just playin around? Or are you goin hardcore? I think that if people are playin around while playing, they're not really learning as much as they would be when they play really seriously. Anyways, what has playing smooth taught you? Were they really important things? Or where they just in general stuff?

We play online because of our distance. Either way I still rc online and when I do get hit he knows and I know that it would have missed offline. We try different teams all the time but when we want to get serious we both get serious to see how we do. We are currently practicing for ECC and we will meet up a day or two before it starts. I'm waiting for my custom sanwa to see how well I execute on it. Going from p360 to sanwa is completely different. We have a fairly good connection thats almost comparable to offline at times. Both me and him have a good grasp of the game. Playing someone good will strengthen your ground game alot and also both of us are reluctant to do anything random because we both know how to punish.

I easily rack up 2-3 hours per day or more in training mode just practicing my execution on this old DC agetec preparing for my sanwa.

SmoothCat

03-02-2005, 07:36 PM

MAGUS1234

03-02-2005, 07:41 PM

your only as good as the ppl you train with.....

Dr.B

03-03-2005, 12:13 AM

Either Roll super...Convert to S-groove...fight with your might...train hard..enter tourneys...training room...watch match videos...and just put your best into it...find good characters and dont take shit from no one...

-B.

popoblo

03-03-2005, 05:22 AM

your only as good as the ppl you train with.....

generally true, but not always. i've progressed greatly and i have like 1 guy who lives an hour away who i beat pretty bad, and i only play him MAYBE once a month. and he's who i consider "consistent" competition.

entering tournies and losing is a good way to get better because if you're like me and don't like to lose, then that'll inspire you to get better. i got destroyed at my first evo in 2k3, trained by watching match vids and practicing execution, and have won all the recent local tournies (which don't happen often at all) and do well at bigger nationals also.

peace

The_Best

03-03-2005, 08:35 AM

just find out where all the good player go to play and practice with them. And always keep up with ur game or you'll lose it

Nick T.

03-03-2005, 09:54 AM

I use to feel just like you. You feel like you're missing something but you don't know what it is and you have no idea how to figure out what it is.

Couple of solutions:

Change grooves for a short period of time. This'll give you ideas on how to change strategy.

Work on more character specific stuff. Setups, guard strings, etc.

Use different characters for a short period of time.

MAGUS1234

03-03-2005, 10:31 AM

play the top tier teams....honestly, I I always play low tier crap but when I top whore out it jus makes you 10x better

vasAZNion13

03-03-2005, 11:07 AM

generally true, but not always. i've progressed greatly and i have like 1 guy who lives an hour away who i beat pretty bad, and i only play him MAYBE once a month. and he's who i consider "consistent" competition.

entering tournies and losing is a good way to get better because if you're like me and don't like to lose, then that'll inspire you to get better. i got destroyed at my first evo in 2k3, trained by watching match vids and practicing execution, and have won all the recent local tournies (which don't happen often at all) and do well at bigger nationals also.

peace

seriously, wtf?
this could only happen if you're popoblo, cuz i haven't heard of anyone else who was able to pull this off. >_<

Biggzy

03-03-2005, 01:37 PM

I would just analyze and see why you lost to whoever you played after every match.

Another thing thats important, which you should be doing every match, is know your opponents weakness through his character. An obvious example would be something like Vega vs. Zangief.

Vega: fast as shit, good ass range, keep zangief away all day, free win.

Zangief: Slow, slow and more slow.

Abuse the shit out of the disadvantage.

Though somethings I don't think can every be taught, some people just have crazy robotic like reflexes, practice makes perfect.

Leezy

03-03-2005, 02:07 PM

Picking up other characters/grooves helps tremendously. It keeps things fun because of the variety, but it gives you more insight into what else is capable in the game. There's no way anyone could tell you everything about the game, you just learn it as you go and react to it when you see it. When you haven't seen it yet, you lose, you learn, and get better.

I used to hate RCing 'cause I was a K-groove only player. Now I'm an RC whore. I still don't like using top tiers, except Cammy, but learning them helps to play against them.

That thing with Popoblo...that's impressive. I've never seen someone without match experience get better. Congrats to the one person who broke away...

TheChosenOne

03-03-2005, 06:23 PM

Im basically in the same boat as you Jino. When it comes to higher level play, I just lose. Its quite frustrating.

gl0ry

03-03-2005, 11:47 PM

Congrats to the one person who broke away...

Trust me. He's not the only one :tup:

Mr. Sakuraba

03-09-2005, 06:33 PM

seriously, wtf?
this could only happen if you're popoblo, cuz i haven't heard of anyone else who was able to pull this off. >_<
well, im pretty good, and i dont have any good comp around me at all. Im not diago or anything but im not to shabby either. As a matter of fact i played carlos at the final stand in gainsville last august. I picked a groove to counter his k and lost. My name used to be nipp0n. I even posted a thread with some vids of carlos and my matches in it a long while ago.Ive gotten a ton better since then.Then again, im obsessed with this fucking game....Ask my wife :xeye:

pitbull

03-21-2005, 01:24 AM

your only as good as the ppl you train with.....

correct :tup:

Ranevski

03-21-2005, 01:57 AM

Not to put down popoblo's efforts but he DID have match experience. Even being able to play in a local small tourney maybe once every 3 months is still SOME level of comp. The problem is when you have NO comp whatsoever.

I couldn't find ANYONE in my area that knows how to play CvS2 well. Even my friends who are usually pretty 1337 gamers and tear up things like CS and the like just couldn't play fighters. Even when they understood all the mechanics they just didn't have the 'mindgame' type mindset that you use when playing fighters.

Honestly without SOME type of experience against someone better than you, you cannot get better. I could get pretty good by watching vids and seeing what people would do to me if I did this or that, hence I shouldn't do it and instead do this/etc. But that shit only takes you so far. I think the amount you can learn from training mode is highly underrated, but there IS a point where you need to start playing people better than you. If you didn't need to vs someone better than you to learn then we'd have a slew of Daigo's/J.Wong's/Choi's at every Evo.

You are only as good as the people you train with.

popoblo

03-21-2005, 08:36 AM

You are only as good as the people you train with.

i understand your point but i still disagree. i had the opportunity to play bas, kindevu, and otaku alone at lay's during TX showdown for about an hour straight, and the final record was 10 games for team japan, 5 games for me. the people i play with could NEVER beat any of those players, even by counter teaming otaku with A-groove. patience is a HUGE factor, because most of the people i play against are simply too impatient. not trying to brag, just trying to prove a point.

being able to analyze a match vid is infinitely more important than just watching a match vid also, which some people don't understand. that's a big way i got better, to realize not what was happening, but WHY it was happening.

peace

Dyse

03-21-2005, 08:37 AM

I'm no great player but just pick the best 3 characters you can use and just train on them. Or use 3 characters at any point you used as R-2's for any stretch greater than a month and use that as your team. Another one is try picking up and learning characters you're weak against. For the longest time i was weak against charge back Capcom characters (Bison, Blanka Honda mainly) I decided to pick up Blanka and Balrogand now i can handle charge back characters a little better considering i know when their charging when their vunerable by just using two of the main charge back characters. Learn more characters try to learn all characters or at least the substantial oens that you face and you will do better if you know your opponents options.

noodleman

03-21-2005, 09:35 AM

to play at a higher level, i think you also need to understand the battery/ user/anchor "theory" (for a lack of a better word) for bar building grooves (everything cept S and K).

The best example is why you won't put a-bision as the first character in your team.

as many ppl mentioned, patience is also very important. But note that patience isn't the same as turtling. You can wait for the right moment to rush down, etc.

knowing your match ups are important as well. It helps your patience alot when you know what your opponent can or cannot do against you in certain situations, so you can either avoid or take advantage of the situations.

having the ability to learn and adapt during a match is more of a bonus. if you run across a character that you have never played against, or don't know even about the character, you'll need to figure out what you need to do to win. This largely comes from experience imo.

as popoblo said, being able to analyze match vids is huge. Know what went wrong, what that person should've done, and why he did certian things are key for learning.

kcxj

03-21-2005, 10:12 AM

Play 3S on the side. Seriously. You can't just RC some random move in the other guy's face whenever you're being pressured. No roll, no random low jump, and scrub Vega's j.HK forces you to actually play footgames with your opponents as well.

Ken vs Ken mirror match. Both guys are only allowed to use d.LK, d.MK, and d.HK. d.MK is to poke, d.HK is to punish the poke, d.LK is to fake and bait the d.HK so you can punish with your own poke or d.HK. Once both players are even, start adding jump-ins, reaction dping those jump-ins, and then parrying all those dps. Only after those basics are learned do you start adding painful combos, high/low/throw mixups, or whatever.

How do you get good in CvS2? RC psycho crushaa! Roll, super! RC ball from full screen! Worse than GGXX bursting out of combos, super jump canceling everything, air dash/jump all over the place, and auto-pilot Eddie doing whatever he wants to you now that I think about it. 3S isn't perfect, because I REALLY hate some of the stuff Yun and Chun can do, but yeah, fuck videos, turtling, and A-groove. Play some other games besides just CvS2 all the time and you get better in general once you come back.

dialupsucky

03-21-2005, 01:14 PM

Umm im gonna have to agree with popoblo ummm playing against people is just a taaaaaaaaad overrated. Hell when i use to play games 90% of the time i even got to play a human PERIOD it was cuz of a tourny. I never really played anyone. Only time I played games was usualy in training mode shrug.

So its not really that far fetched. shrug

(THE) Geese

03-21-2005, 01:54 PM

Ken vs Ken mirror match. Both guys are only allowed to use d.LK, d.MK, and d.HK.

roflcopter. Theory fighter idiot.

MAGUS1234

03-21-2005, 02:52 PM

Ya, bad 3rd strike analogy, if you wan't to get better at Cvs2 play more Cvs2.....not 3rd strike

Strider Hiryu

03-22-2005, 12:02 PM

to play at a higher level, i think you also need to understand the battery/ user/anchor "theory" (for a lack of a better word) for bar building grooves (everything cept S and K).p

no actually all you need to know is that if a character is shitty without meter don't put them first, this isn't marvel.

anyways, the only way to get better by yourself, figure out best combo in every situation and execute it 100 percent. only way to really get better is to play people that are good enough that when you fuck up a combo or opening you lose the match

popoblo

03-22-2005, 12:14 PM

anyways, the only way to get better by yourself, figure out best combo in every situation and execute it 100 percent. only way to really get better is to play people that are good enough that when you fuck up a combo or opening you lose the match

close the thread, that's the best answer there is. somebody misses an uppercut, you don't throw them, you standing fierce into super or CC or level 3 or ANYTHING that puts the most hurt on your opponent.

noodleman

03-22-2005, 12:21 PM

heh, the cvs2 order thing isn't rocket science, but ppl need to know it to play on a higher level. but there are abit more to it than what you just said, like who is good at building meter and don't really need it.

as for the combo thing, while it's true, that's a next to impossible task to do. What you should do is to practice bnb combos that work in most siutations. cause the best one might be abit complicated to pull during tourny or something. keeping combos simple could help too. You don't need fancy combos to win (not that strider was implying).