Retsu

[Ielehiah]

I've seen in a japanese site a picture from a game in which was Retsu redesigned. Does anybody knows from which game it is? It seemed something like SNK vs CAPCOM, I guess...

[gabrielzero]

Maybe it's just capcom art? They do that alot. Was it in game art?
A link would help alot. Anyways while this thread is around let's try to gather as much Retsu info as possible. All I know about him is he trained with Gouken and was a really good fighter.
http://www.geocities.com/ilfordboy/
there was a picture I saw a long time ago. Retsu was scratching his head and Dan was holding hid face. It looked like retsu busted dan's face open. :tup:
I saw this pic in the SF alpha 2 stragedy guide. It's probally hard to find.
Did anyone notice Retsu in issue 6 of the SF udon comic? :encore:

[Ielehiah]

Yep, I've been searching the site, and I found it. It's right here: http://www1.bbiq.jp/red-cyclone/syokaifile/retsu/retsu.html And the picture is this one: http://www1.bbiq.jp/red-cyclone/syokaifile/retsu/IMG_retsu.jpg

Hope you see it and answer, please, guys.

[DerangedZombie]

Retsu looks bad-ass. What game was that screen from?

[Ielehiah]

Hehe, that's my question (hey, i've seen your pics) One day will draw like you (I hope, at least...)

[Dark Hadou]

Retsu looks bad-ass. What game was that screen from?

OMG!!! It's SHIN RETSU (http://www1.bbiq.jp/red-cyclone/syokaifile/retsu/koitumo1.jpg) lmao

[Ielehiah]

Who the hell is SHIN RETSU?

[Fasty McNasty]

retsu is the human form of bishamon for darkstalkers.
www.gifsyndicate.com/arcade/vampiresavior2/index.htm

pic is called "bishamon in human form"

hope that helps

[Nokato]

Retsu looks bad-ass. What game was that screen from?

Its from a multitude of games. The whole picture itself looks like a Mugen game that for some reason has Bishamon sprite. The background looks like the Silver Samurai background from X-Men:COTA, and the life bars are from Alpha 3. The Bishamon sprite is from Darkstalkers. The fonts above the name are either the same template from Alpha 3 "character names" or someone just recreated the font and fabricated Retsu under the scanned drawing. Not really sure where the profile picture beside the lifebar came from but I'm sure about the other aspects of the picture.

[gabrielzero]

@ Fasty Mcnasty
Yeah that helps clear up the mystery. I think this whole thing was a joke. A pretty good one though.
the shin retsu thing is pretty funny too. Where's that pic from?

Good job Nokato!! :clap:
Great detective work!!!

[Ielehiah]

Thank you guys!

[Dash no Chris]

the shin retsu thing is pretty funny too. Where's that pic from?
It's RETU, the end-boss from Final Fight 2 (Super Famicom / SNES). His name is also pronounced "retsu," but the FF2 staff romanized it as "retu."

--Chris

[Shade]

That sprite pic isnt Retsu. Its Bishamon. Period.

[Fasty McNasty]

That sprite pic isnt Retsu. Its Bishamon. Period.


thats fine. the point is that its also the sprite used in the other game for the character retsu.

[ryu_5141]

Yeah but the game definately ain't official... perhapes a MUGEN game or maybe just a tailored pic...

[DerangedZombie]

I did a fanart piece of Retsu the other day so I thought I'd post it here,


http://www.deviantart.com/view/15743676/



In honour of Retsu the street fighter we hardly knew.

[gabrielzero]

There's alot of info about Retsu here.......http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173&page=1&pp=15
A little here and there......

Nice picture man :tup:

[Golden Dragon]

OMG!!! It's SHIN RETSU (http://www1.bbiq.jp/red-cyclone/syokaifile/retsu/koitumo1.jpg) lmao
That's 'Retu', the last boss in 'Final Fight 2'.

[Dark Hadou]

That's 'Retu', the last boss in 'Final Fight 2'.

Dude, I was messin about :xeye:

[Golden Dragon]

Dude, I was messin about :xeye:
Don't you mean 'messin around'?

[Dark Hadou]

Don't you mean 'messin around'?

Not that it matters but messin about is a common phrase to use. messing around is as well but I chose to use messin about. Hey, are you messin about?

[Rhio2k]

Not that it matters but messin about is a common phrase to use. messing around is as well but I chose to use messin about. Hey, are you messin about?


I'm pretty good with english/british slang...but what's a "dickie-di-do"?

[Bass X0]

I think Retsu should be a true Shotokan fighter (not Ansetsuken). He would have the classic fireball, dragon punch and hurricane kick but he would be a charge character instead of a motion character.

[crazydiamond]

I think Retsu should be a true Shotokan fighter (not Ansetsuken). He would have the classic fireball, dragon punch and hurricane kick but he would be a charge character instead of a motion character.

Retsu practices Shorinji Kempo.

http://www.usja-judo.org/~judo.stamps/PZ-MA201.jpg

[BBCampbell]

Actually, Retsu should play more like Makoto from Third Strike. We have enough Shotos as it is...

In fact, Capcom could ret-con Retsu into Makoto's dad/teacher...

Crazy, but why not? The Alpha OAVs heavily hinted that Gouki is Ryu's father...

[crazydiamond]

If you take a careful look at Retsu's stance and Makoto's stance they are quite similar. Also Retsu has a kick similar to Makoto's standing middle kick. As a matter of fact it's not too disimilar to the kick performed in the Shorinji Kempo pic I posted last post.

[Sagatryu]

http://tkdtutor.com/02Taekwondo/Styles/Karate.htm

Here's The Terminology for all of the moves list in each style

TaeKwonDo

http://www.martialartsresource.com/anonftp/pub/the_dojang/digests/koreanma.htm#7.0%20Korean%20martial%20arts%20gloss ary

Judo

http://www.judoinfo.com/animate.htm


Goju-Ryu

http://www.karate.org.nz/gojuryu/terminology

Kyokushin-Kai

http://www.uskyokushin.com/terminology.htm


Shorin-Ryu

http://www.shorin-ryu.net/terms.html

Wado-Ryu

http://www.useasternwado.com/TerminologyHome.htm

Fake Shotokan fighter ( fighters who aren't actually Shotokan Warriors )

1 All of the Ansetsuken fighters

Real Shotokan ( fighters who are Shotokan Warriors

1 Subzero


Ansetsuken made up of karate ( not shotokan karate) , Judo , taekwondo and koppo elements



http://www.karateforums.com/viewforum.php?f=13&topicdays=0&start=0

[crazydiamond]

Wasn't it Capcom Usa that stated that the Shoto's did Shotokan Karate rather than Ansatsuken? Those poor guys get blamed for everything :bgrin:

Anyway Retsu does Shorinji Kempo, not Karate.

[crazydiamond]

I did a fanart piece of Retsu the other day so I thought I'd post it here,


http://www.deviantart.com/view/15743676/



In honour of Retsu the street fighter we hardly knew.

Cool picture, I'm assuming it was done in Photoshop? Do you use the paintbrush or airbrush tool?

[DerangedZombie]

Cool picture, I'm assuming it was done in Photoshop? Do you use the paintbrush or airbrush tool?



Thanks. I did this pic in painter6 using the felt tip marker.

[Bass X0]

I didn't know that Retsu practiced Shorinji Kempo. Where was this stated or can people tell just by looking at his fighting stance?

Actually, Retsu should play more like Makoto from Third Strike. We have enough Shotos as it is...

In fact, Capcom could ret-con Retsu into Makoto's dad/teacher...

Crazy, but why not? The Alpha OAVs heavily hinted that Gouki is Ryu's father...

I don't mind clones of SFIII characters appearing in the Alpha games as the SFIII characters (Yun aside) will never appear in the Alpha games. Plus Retsu being Makoto's father isn't too wild.

I don't trust the OAV to be accurate on information.

[TAS]

That artwork of Retsu in the first post is Retsu's SF1 artwork, done back in the late 80's.

Storyline wise Retsu is/was Gouken's friend, and while the two trained together at Gouken's dojo their styles arent anything alike. Retsu is/was also older then Gouken if I remember correctly.

Actually, Retsu should play more like Makoto from Third Strike.

Retsu was one of the insperations for Makoto.

Crazy, but why not? The Alpha OAVs heavily hinted that Gouki is Ryu's father...

Yeah but at least Akuma tells Ryu in the the Alpha anime that he (Akuma) has no family (since all his known relatives are all dead)

[crazydiamond]

I didn't know that Retsu practiced Shorinji Kempo. Where was this stated or can people tell just by looking at his fighting stance?

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The tip off is his attire. Shorinji Kempo martial artists wear a black tunic and white belt when they reach the highest level in their art. Also I assume it is tradition to have their head shaven as this is seen in almost all pictures of Shorinji Kempo artists. Also some of the attacks look in the style to back it up even further.

Some things can be figured out without an 'official' statement by Capcom. Also, unless they were actually working on the design for the original SF1 their 'official' statement is redundant.

PS sorry for my mockery of the term official, and i know you did not say this Bass XO but I think some people take 'official' statements too far and it may stop them from seeing what is in plain sight.

[crazydiamond]

That artwork of Retsu in the first post is Retsu's SF1 artwork, done back in the late 80's.


Just so people don't get confused. The SF1 artwork done by CRMK/Bengus was done well after the production of Street Fighter, around about the same time as Darkstalkers. And the original Street Fighter art was done by Akiman.

[Dash no Chris]

I didn't know that Retsu practiced Shorinji Kempo. Where was this stated or can people tell just by looking at his fighting stance?
Several of the Japanese books in my collection state that Retsu is indeed a practitioner of Shourinji Kenpou.

--Chris

[Rhio2k]

I have a question: Retsu's name IS pronounced "Rehts" (japanese's infamous semi-silent "u", as in "messatsu" and "zaibatsu"), right? Cuz all my friends (who prefer dubbed anime with mispronouced names and such) pronounce the name "reht-soo, and from what I know of japanese, that possibly be right.

Another question: We all know that ryu, both the dragon and the name is pronounced ReeYOO. Why is it that when americans mention a karate style like Shorin-ryu, they pronounce it "ROO"? Ignorance?

[vasili10]

Several of the Japanese books in my collection state that Retsu is indeed a practitioner of Shourinji Kenpou.

--Chris

Any of them say that Retsu and Gouken know each other? That I haven't found yet.

[Bass X0]

Udon says Gouken and Retsu know each other. Thats good enough for me.

[vasili10]

Udon says Gouken and Retsu know each other. Thats good enough for me.

Good for you; Udon doesn't decide what's canon though.

[TAS]

Good for you; Udon doesn't decide what's canon though.


Yeah but Capcom tells them whats canon and whats not, and what to do and not do with the comic.

For instance when UDON asked Capcom what Charlie's last name should be they told them to just make it "Nash" and then when they asked what should Chun Li's father look like, Capcom told them to just use his SF2V appearence.

So anyways if Gouken and Retsu are friends in the comic its something Capcom approved of.

Also an easy way to look at the SF comic is how Capcom would retell the SF story if they had to.

[vasili10]

Yeah but Capcom tells them whats canon and whats not, and what to do and not do with the comic.

For instance when UDON asked Capcom what Charlie's last name should be they told them to just make it "Nash" and then when they asked what should Chun Li's father look like, Capcom told them to just use his SF2V appearence.

So anyways if Gouken and Retsu are friends in the comic its something Capcom approved of.

Also an easy way to look at the SF comic is how Capcom would retell the SF story if they had to.

All true. Bottom line is, approval and canon are still two different things. That's why I asked the question to Dash no Chris.

[gabrielzero]

I really don't care about canon. To me it's not something to get worked up about. I mean it's capcom fot christ sake. They are the king of plot holes !

I guess I'm not hard core enough, The Canon story is good to know. But with capcom changing the storyline so much . { and all the non canon video games and anime. } I really don't give a shit.

If I want story line I'm going to stick with the comic. It's been good so far.



......... sorry for the rant.

[rob_keys]

I really don't care about canon. To me it's not something to get worked up about. I mean it's capcom fot christ sake. They are the king of plot holes !

I guess I'm not hard core enough, The Canon story is good to know. But with capcom changing the storyline so much . { and all the non canon video games and anime. } I really don't give a shit.

If I want story line I'm going to stick with the comic. It's been good so far.



......... sorry for the rant.

I'm with you. I mean of course the canon is fun/interesting to discuss and everything, but it's also fun IMO to see your favorite SF characters portrayed differently as well. Tiamat's plot guide is fantastic, but until the day someone [or a group of people more likely] make a storyline series of the SF canon I'll just go by Udon. Simple enough.

[vasili10]

The comic's awesome, and different character portrayals are alright with me. I love Udon's storyline thus far, but that's not what my question's about. Dash no Chris threw in a confirmation that I've known about for quite a while, and I was just curious to expand on it and possibly learn more from him.

[gabrielzero]

Yeah, I'm all for Street fighter 1 characters. I don't know why, but I always get excited when I see a fan art of them or spot them in the udon comic. Maybe it's cause they are so rare. { and least developed of all the game characters, compared to the Alpha and third strike cast,}

Good luck though. Finding info are Retsu { along with Geki and Joe who in my opinion just evolved into vega and cody } will give any hardcore fan a headache.

and don't even get me started are Mike Bison { boxer} some things are better left unknown. {eek!}

I'm more interested in SF 3's storyline. I wish they would release a non canon anime on it already. We already know how the Alpha storyline ends but they are still releaseing animes based on the alpha storyline.

Udon is our only hope I guess.......

[TAS]

{ along with Geki and Joe who in my opinion just evolved into vega and cody }

Thats true.

With SF1, Bengus and Akiman basicly created what would become the "fighting game cast cliche" ie a Karate Guy, Ninja, Old Chinese Guy, etc, etc, and with SF2 even created more character types that would become cliche, like the Chinese Female Martial Artist, The Freak Character, etc, etc.

All the SF1 chars that were dropped from #1 to #2 was due to the fact that Bengus and Akiman felt they could create more intresting character types or do better versions of certain character types that they had already done, for instance Vega is a far better design and character compared to Geki, which is why Geki was forgotten from the SF series, because Vega was just that good of a replacement for him, although oddly Vega's character design started out as a Knight type character, and somehow he evolved into a Spanish Ninja.

And yeah Joe evolved into Cody. Cody and Guy were supposed to be the main chars in Street Fighter, or was it Ryu and Ken were supposed to be the main chars in Final Fight, I forget which, but it was one of those two.

[gabrielzero]

Yeah thats why I gave up in those characters. { even though I wouldn't mind seeing them in the comic. }

Street Fighter 3 still has promise. I hope Capcom dosen't go " street fighter 2 on us. " { no clear winner, for example}

There's so many loss ends in SF 3 that I want to see wraped up before they move on. { Ryu, Oro , Gill , Necro and Urien. oh yeah and the Apocolypse,}

[crazydiamond]

Thats true.

With SF1, Bengus and Akiman basicly created what would become the "fighting game cast cliche" ie a Karate Guy, Ninja, Old Chinese Guy, etc, etc, and with SF2 even created more character types that would become cliche, like the Chinese Female Martial Artist, The Freak Character, etc, etc.



Just so people don't get confused Bengus wasn't even with Capcom when Street Fighter 1 was created.

[TAS]

Just so people don't get confuse Bengus wasn't even with Capcom when Street Fighter 1 was created.

Bengus worked on SF1.

Akiman was the one that got him hired onto the team creating the game, however he wouldnt go by the name Bengus till sometime later.

Street Fighter 3 still has promise. I hope Capcom dosen't go " street fighter 2 on us. " { no clear winner, for example}


According to Capcom Alex was the SF3 winner.

There's so many loss ends in SF 3 that I want to see wraped up before they move on. { Ryu, Oro , Gill , Necro and Urien. oh yeah and the Apocolypse,}


Well Ryu will defenitly finish training with Oro, and will probaly surpass Akuma by that point. Then there's no need to keep Oro around (since he passed on everything to Ryu) or Akuma (who's kinda overstayed his welcome, and has always held Ryu back in terms of development, ie Ryu could never progress much in story or gameplay as long as Akuma is there)

However when it comes to The Illuminati Capcom might never touch them again.

[crazydiamond]

Bengus worked on SF1.

Akiman was the one that got him hired onto the team creating the game, however he wouldnt go by the name Bengus till sometime later.

Okay I'll have to take your word for that. Even though I always thought the first game he worked on was dungeons and Dragons. But those Street Fighter illustrations he did were done in 1994 dammit!

[TAS]

But those Street Fighter illustrations he did were done in 1994 dammit!


I just figured that since that artwork was the only artwork SF1 has that it was done when SF1 was done, although I did always wonder why/how anyones art could look that good back in the late 80s.

[crazydiamond]

I just figured that since that artwork was the only artwork SF1 has that it was done when SF1 was done, although I did always wonder why/how anyones art could look that good back in the late 80s.

At the same time he was doing artwork for darkstalkers, he used the same style in the two illustration sets. His earlier Super Street Fighter II illustrations were just the beginning of his style that would give him his great interest from fans.

The reason I did not think Bengus was around when Street Fighter 1 was created is because he didn't do any official illustrations before Super Street Fighter II. (Well none that I know of.) He has an interview in the Capcom Illustrations book, but I have never read it translated.