No more fighting game freshness

[SArge10k]

Is it just me or is the whole fighting game scene getting old? Its just the same old combos, glitches, move sets, and characters. Even the top-tiers for all of the fighting games in general have been set...Its just kind of depressing to me. I sit at home and practice the same combos with the same characters. I watch tournaments and tourney videos of the same people playing the same characters with the same combos and strategies. I mean come on...Take CVS2 for example...The game has been analyzed to the bone with the glitches, the bugs, and even the frickin pixels of every character...Rediculous...Will there ever be something new and fresh? Will there ever be a game with enough innovation that sets itself apart from other fighting games or will we always be stuck with some re-used ideas jumbled together? Discuss your opinions here on the games that are overplayed...Or u can persuade me to partake an interest in them again.

[HellSap]

when have you tried to diversify?
tried the new kof? omg, kof sucks
tried GGXX #R? omg, xx is for anime fags
tried t5? (even though everyone has) omg steve is broken, I can't possibly make my character better! Better not try at all.

the problem that youre complaining about CvS2, MvC2, 3s is all the same is because all youre doing is playing the same thing. Its still a matter of preference, but dont blame everyone whos falling into the same rut as you are.

[OhNoos]

God Damnit, I just bought a 12 pack of coke and every goddamn coke tasted the same...

[HellSap]

you know why? because every coke tastes BAD
go pepsi, woot
(or maybe I should take the underdog stance and support RC Cola...)

[OhNoos]

only a Spathi would take Pepsi over Coke.


Cokes *Happy Bubbles* make me *happy*, Pepsi makes me *frumple* and *round yet lumpy*

[polarity]

makes you wonder why people are still playing Go after 4000 years, huh?

oh wait, no it doesn't.

[tsubame]

Honestly, the problem is innovation often leads to brokenness.

Unless design is brilliant, you're never going to have both.
ANd quite frankly, most of the brilliance in fighting game design these days is probably working on other games.

I'm suspecting the next big thing will be a doujin game of some sort in 2d that flukes into excellence. (and decides to break the current crappy doujin game GG-ripoff mode)

[Silentness!]

SNIP


TEKKEN 5? *shrugs*

[Ghaleon]

Why are people saying T5 is so fresh if it's so much like TTT? I'd suggest VF if you want a change from the same 2-D stuff.

[SArge10k]

Well you're right Helsap in some aspects but only because CvS2, MvC2, and SF3 were the games i prefer..i've played T5 (which is all the same), GG (anime freaks only), and others. I still say..the same old...
And besides I'm not blaming ne one for "falling into the same rut" but i'm basically blaming myself for ignoring the fact that I'm trying to master these fighting games that have already been mastered...A long time ago.

[GlassNinja]

By the way this is Sarge10k jus to let you know (Got tired of my old SN)

[bill_rizer]

naturaly when a game has been out for a long while 5 or more years people have mastered it theirs nothing left in the game.
Thats were vs comes into it to challenge another human, you dont see Athletics moaning about going 2 Olympics its just the same games they played for how many years its because they want to win.
It doesnt sound like you want to give anything else a try so you will be stuck playing those games forever as i dont see capcom doing any Sequels to the games you do play.

[caliagent#3]

tried GGXX #R? omg, xx is for anime fags


very very true....stick to SF

[OhNoos]

very very true....stick to SF

Every time I go to Japan, the ratio for GG players is like 4 girls to every 1 guy...i'd suggest learning it and visiting :tup:

[bellreisa]

Honestly, the problem is innovation often leads to brokenness.

Unless design is brilliant, you're never going to have both.
ANd quite frankly, most of the brilliance in fighting game design these days is probably working on other games.

I'm suspecting the next big thing will be a doujin game of some sort in 2d that flukes into excellence. (and decides to break the current crappy doujin game GG-ripoff mode)

Touhou Suimusou - Immaterial and Missing Power.

[GlassNinja]

Well here's the thing...I do play other games like random RPGs and action games (mercenaries) and i'll be picking up Jade Empire for Xbox...but I'm a social person and I feel that fighting games are the best when it comes to socializing...but the scene has seemed to shrink quite a bit(i don't consider xbox live socializing)

[caliagent#3]

Every time I go to Japan, the ratio for GG players is like 4 girls to every 1 guy...i'd suggest learning it and visiting :tup:

yeah i've heard the same thing from a few other people. I know how to play the game, i just don't like it. WAY too random. plus it's like anime...and anime is for you know who

[Shade]

Wait, what? You're complaining about CvS2 and MvC2? MvC2 is going on 6 years old. CvS 2 on 5.

[ShinjiGohan]

Is it just me or is the whole fighting game scene getting old? Its just the same old combos, glitches, move sets, and characters. Even the top-tiers for all of the fighting games in general have been set...Its just kind of depressing to me. I sit at home and practice the same combos with the same characters. I watch tournaments and tourney videos of the same people playing the same characters with the same combos and strategies. I mean come on...Take CVS2 for example...The game has been analyzed to the bone with the glitches, the bugs, and even the frickin pixels of every character...Rediculous...Will there ever be something new and fresh? Will there ever be a game with enough innovation that sets itself apart from other fighting games or will we always be stuck with some re-used ideas jumbled together? Discuss your opinions here on the games that are overplayed...Or u can persuade me to partake an interest in them again.

I'm still finding out things in the SFEX series. So you can try that and beat me to finding some things.

[WasFemto]

SArge if your looking for a community get into VF. That game doesn't have a huge fan base compared to Japan which is a shame but considering the game is hella fun to play and challenging I think it's something I can get into. Plus the shit is more hardcore than any game out there.



Sorry for all the VF post(well I'm not....but got back into this again and I'm asking myslef why this isn't popular...)

[polarity]

I don't get how GGXX is for fags because it's "like anime" when KOF and SF have their share of anime influence too :rolleyes:

[GlassNinja]

I'm still finding out things in the SFEX series. So you can try that and beat me to finding some things. LOL...i just might do that...finally something different.. :tup:

[Space_Godzilla]

tried GGXX #R? omg, xx is for anime fags









Something wrong with gay guys like me playing GGXX #R?

:lame:

[CrotchMonkey]

I don't get how GGXX is for fags because it's "like anime" when KOF and SF have their share of anime influence too :rolleyes:
ky is every anime humpers dream.

gg is overrated. gg fanboys are worst than doa fags. btw wasfemto everytime you make a vf post you make me go one step closer to buying the fucking thing haha

[Olan]

gg is fun. if everything that is different is for fags, then stop bitching and play mvc2 forever

[GlassNinja]

gg is fun. if everything that is different is for fags, then stop bitching and play mvc2 forever
Actually...GG is pretty gay...not different ....just gay...the mechanics of the game are just screwed... sorry the whole "anime" thing is pretty :lame:

[white shadow]

I suggest trying Dual Blades or Sonic Battle if you wanna try new fighting games. Or try scrapping fighting games all together and start playing other competitive games... like Pokemon Fire Red.:tup:

[Chupacabra]

obviously you like capcom games, have you tried Capcom Fighting Evolution?

[DS]

We can always dig up a SNES and play TMNT Tournament Fighters. But seriously. It all depends on ones preference. Me personally, I like GGXX, but I eventually got tired of it because it ended up getting boring. It wasn't because the game was unbalanced or because of Slayers coolness factor(I'm a huge Slayer user). It's just that game lost its edge after a while to me. Plus, Tekken 5 is where its at right now.

And I still don't know how GGXX is for anime whores. Street Fighter and just about every fighter out there(yes, even Tekken) draws inspiration from anime. Someone doesn't sit at a Capcom office and say "I'm gonna make something different from anime." No. They see something on TV and they decide to implement it into video game form. Case in point: Devil May Cry. It's not a fighter, but it still took a lot from anime. And let us never forget about Darkstalkers. Horror movies and anime all combined into one.

And just because a character is broken doesn't mean they can't be beaten. Steve isn't invincible you know? He has lots of weaknesses. It's just that you have work a little harder to win. Thats all. And like someone mentioned earlier: People keep playing to win. Just look at sports in general. It's the SAME thing every year. The ball or the court doesn't change. It's just the passion that one has for the sport. And to be declared the best on the east or west coast? Hell. Even the world? People love the fame.

[Shade]

Heck yea. TMNT TF 4 life.

[Olan]

tmnt tf is the shit. kc jones bombs are the shit

[Testament X]

Someone doesn't sit at a Capcom office and say "I'm gonna make something different from anime." No. They see something on TV and they decide to implement it into video game form. Case in point: Devil May Cry. It's not a fighter, but it still took a lot from anime. And let us never forget about Darkstalkers. Horror movies and anime all combined into one.



Very true.

*cough* *cough* SF Alpha series *cough*

What's up DS? Long time no see.

[Superking]

Might I suggest Mortal Kombat 6? :tup:


:rofl: :rofl:

[DS]

Very true.

*cough* *cough* SF Alpha series *cough*

What's up DS? Long time no see.



Hey there Testament. Long time no see indeed. I've been out due to a bad computer. But now that I've got a Dell, I'm back for sure.

But yeah. Go Tekken 5 and other various fighters.

[booda]

makes you wonder why people are still playing Go after 4000 years, huh?

oh wait, no it doesn't.
He's got a point there.

Paradox Part 1: People want to discover new things in a different, innovative fighting game.

Paradox Part 2: People don't want something that plays differently from their favorite fighting game.

[caliagent#3]

We can always dig up a SNES and play TMNT Tournament Fighters. But seriously. It all depends on ones preference. Me personally, I like GGXX, but I eventually got tired of it because it ended up getting boring. It wasn't because the game was unbalanced or because of Slayers coolness factor(I'm a huge Slayer user). It's just that game lost its edge after a while to me. Plus, Tekken 5 is where its at right now.

And I still don't know how GGXX is for anime whores. Street Fighter and just about every fighter out there(yes, even Tekken) draws inspiration from anime. Someone doesn't sit at a Capcom office and say "I'm gonna make something different from anime." No. They see something on TV and they decide to implement it into video game form. Case in point: Devil May Cry. It's not a fighter, but it still took a lot from anime. And let us never forget about Darkstalkers. Horror movies and anime all combined into one.

And just because a character is broken doesn't mean they can't be beaten. Steve isn't invincible you know? He has lots of weaknesses. It's just that you have work a little harder to win. Thats all. And like someone mentioned earlier: People keep playing to win. Just look at sports in general. It's the SAME thing every year. The ball or the court doesn't change. It's just the passion that one has for the sport. And to be declared the best on the east or west coast? Hell. Even the world? People love the fame.

You guys are missing the point. When they say anime fags they mean the actual community of people who watch anime. Compare the number of anime watchers who play SF to GGXX. I know that at the school i used to go to that all of the people who played XX were anime watchers. All the tournaments that i've gone to or players i've seen, we anime watchers. The fact that capcom or snk being inspired by anime has nothing to do with it.

[Wellman]

Bitching about anime being gay and GG being gay is just stupid. GG is a pretty different game from SF, most people don't seem to want that ok, but hating it because it appeals to anime watchers, who at times past probably used to play SF themselves is just dumb.

If there was a new SF with updated graphics more than likely the same people that are playing GG would give it a shot. Really they are a sort sub culture between your casual gamer and 'hardcore' ones. Shit if anything I am sure Capcom wanted to tap this market with a majority of their later releases so they could still make some money like Sammy is scrapping in off the old GGX engine.

But truthfully it is the only 2D fighter that is actually taking some chances with the standard formula. They might not all be prefected yet but it is better than getting stale bread and trying to convince yourself it is better because no part is more overcooked than another part (veiled knock at CFJ).

[CrotchMonkey]

i thought we came to the conclusion about cfj being a work of ass.

[booda]

Hey, careful what you say about CFJ. It has "solid" gameplay. Or so I've heard.

[Keep-away_Guile]

People who hate on GG are gay. =)

[Hyper Shadow]

People who throw out the term gay as an insult aren't very secure in their sexual preferences.

I like anime, yet I have a girlfriend and love Streetfighter. I love Guilty Gear aswell, woooo~ I must be the exception to the rule.

And anyone who says that Streetfighter isn't influenced by anime is obviously a bit daft in the head. A lot of the Streetfighter characters are either anime stereotypes (Ryu, Ken, etc) or direct ripoffs (Yun=Duo, Yang=Trowa from Gundam Wing). Lets not forget that Streetfighter spawned 2 anime movies and a series, or do you want to forget that and just be proud of the live action movie??

[cygnus]

VF is the truth. The savior of fighting games.

[Richard]

I'm still finding out things in the SFEX series
I was gonna say that but you beat me to it! The games are out there if anybody wants to play them...

[OhNoos]

People who throw out the term gay as an insult aren't very secure in their sexual preferences.




meaning, they're possibly gay? what an odd response… only fags make fun of fags? gaaaaaayyy

[caliagent#3]

LOL, what is wrong with you anime people? You make up the weirdest things. No one ever said SF wasn't influenced by anime. The only thing people are saying is that GG is a stupid game, which is predominantly played by people who watch and adore anime.

[GlassNinja]

(Reminder: I'm Sarge10k incase ur confused with ne thing i post...)
I don't know sometimes i feel like i'm contradicting myself...i recently did whip out the tmnt tournament fighters game and it's pretty entertaining...i'll be playing that for a few days...(Casey Jones rulez)

[Time_Stop]

makes you wonder why people are still playing Go after 4000 years, huh?

oh wait, no it doesn't.

Comparing Go to a fucking fighting game. :rolleyes:

Pure stupidity.

[GlassNinja]

Comparing Go to a fucking fighting game. :rolleyes:

Pure stupidity.
Damn Skippy!!! :tup:

[rikc]

I stopped reading when I read "RC Cola"

O sweet life nectar

[booda]

Comparing Go to a fucking fighting game. :rolleyes:

Pure stupidity.
:confused: I guess fighting games aren't about strategy at all.

[GlassNinja]

:confused: I guess fighting games aren't about strategy at all.
Of course fighting games have a bit of strategy. But he wasn't talking about the "content" of the games..but the genres. :confused:

[polarity]

Comparing Go to a fucking fighting game. :rolleyes:

Pure stupidity.

I actually realized that post was kind of dumb about 2 seconds after I posted it, but my connection was so slow I couldn't be bothered to go delete it. That said, it's not like they're totally incomparable; sure, the number of different strategies and board permutations in Go is likely much greater than the number of strategies and different states available in a fighting game, but my point was that the fact that the vast majority of viable strategies in a game have already been discovered shouldn't suddenly render playing the game dull and worthless.

[EVERDRED]

learn low tier in 3S, u'll NEVER get bored

[Burningfist]

Everdred speaks the truth.

[GlassNinja]

learn low tier in 3S, u'll NEVER get bored
Don't you mean I'll NEVER win and I'll ALWAYS get my ass whooped. :xeye:

[Superking]

Don't you mean I'll NEVER win and I'll ALWAYS get my ass whooped. :xeye:

If you suck then yah your analogy will always be true. :tup:

[gguseila]

Guilty Gear is the shit, all you haters should fall the fuck back.

[CrotchMonkey]

LOL, what is wrong with you anime people? You make up the weirdest things. No one ever said SF wasn't influenced by anime. The only thing people are saying is that GG is a stupid game, which is predominantly played by people who watch and adore anime.
listen to the man

[GlassNinja]

If you suck then yah your analogy will always be true. :tup:
So ur saying that if someone was GOOD, that he/she could win a tourney with..lets say...Hugo? If so...why hasn't it happened yet with the game being as old as it is?

[OhNoos]

Japanese Hugo players have won tournaments...I wouldn't even say Hugo is "Low Tier" I’d put him bottom of mid-tier.

Sean, Q , Twelve...that's the bottom, from my take anyway

and all 3 can be quite effective if used correctly...they're just harder to use than say, Ken or Chun.

[GlassNinja]

Japanese Hugo players have won tournaments...I wouldn't even say Hugo is "Low Tier" I’d put him bottom of mid-tier.

Sean, Q , Twelve...that's the bottom, from my take anyway

and all 3 can be quite effective if used correctly...they're just harder to use than say, Ken or Chun.
Damn!!! Apparently I didn't win that argument...someone back me up....plz? :sad:

[epsilon_]

Henry Cen has won a 3s tourney with hugo before.

[WasFemto]

Plus I would say the Japanese have more comp and dare I say....more passion about a videogame than here in the U.S. Of course with all the comp they get in arcades over there than, for the hell of it let's say nowherevill, U.S.A., it would be hard not get passionate about something.

Glassninja you should check out some vids of KYS YSK, along those lines, he plays Hugo and is pretty fuckin ill with him.

[GlassNinja]

Henry Cen has won a 3s tourney with hugo before.
U know what Jay? U can eat my ballz! :nunchuck:
And Henry Cen is :lame:

[Shotokan Symphony]

lol anime people

[gguseila]

Japanese Hugo players have won tournaments...I wouldn't even say Hugo is "Low Tier" I’d put him bottom of mid-tier.

Sean, Q , Twelve...that's the bottom, from my take anyway

and all 3 can be quite effective if used correctly...they're just harder to use than say, Ken or Chun.

Sean cant be effective all of his moves have too much recovery and they suck in general. Im not sayin I couldnt lose to sean but hes the only character in 3s that is pretty much unplayable(as in just blows overall).

[GlassNinja]

Sean cant be effective all of his moves have too much recovery and they suck in general. Im not sayin I couldnt lose to sean but hes the only character in 3s that is pretty much unplayable(as in just blows overall).
Damn Skippy! :karate:

[epsilon_]

I disagree. I think Q is worse than Sean, simply on account of mobility. Sean may have shitty combos, but he still has shoto tick dash throw game, and short short sa1.

[EVERDRED]

henry peaced me out with psychic sa3's during the jersey tourny... i need to hide my button presses...

[EVERDRED]

at least Q has a gimmick like his taunts what does Sean have? he's a bare bones shoto who has to work for every piece of damage he does.

[GlassNinja]

I disagree. I think Q is worse than Sean, simply on account of mobility. Sean may have shitty combos, but he still has shoto tick dash throw game, and short short sa1.
Yeah..but Q is way cooler than sean...so i'd never use him. Cmon look at it this way...sean is a :lame: shoto-brazilian who plays basketball and Q is a big scary monster robot who chases little kids around the street, thinking.... :hitit:

[REALPLAYER]

Is it just me or is the whole fighting game scene getting old? Its just the same old combos, glitches, move sets, and characters. Even the top-tiers for all of the fighting games in general have been set...Its just kind of depressing to me. I sit at home and practice the same combos with the same characters. I watch tournaments and tourney videos of the same people playing the same characters with the same combos and strategies. I mean come on...Take CVS2 for example...The game has been analyzed to the bone with the glitches, the bugs, and even the frickin pixels of every character...Rediculous...Will there ever be something new and fresh? Will there ever be a game with enough innovation that sets itself apart from other fighting games or will we always be stuck with some re-used ideas jumbled together? Discuss your opinions here on the games that are overplayed...Or u can persuade me to partake an interest in them again.

I feel the same way too.
But I also think the solution is very obvious, and I can't believe more FG developers haven't adopted the concept yet.....Tag-based/Team games.
Well, there have been a good amount of Team games by now (MKTrilogy(?), KoF games, CvS, MvC, SvCChaos(?), CFE,etc.), but not many games have adopted a 2 vs. 1_2 system. By that, I mean these Team games are still basically one-on-one, your characters just take turns. But a Tag/2vs1_2 system (a la MvC) is what i feel these FG companies need to make more of.

A game system like that has a way deeper team aspect and in general, way deeper in-game strat.

[GlassNinja]

I feel the same way too.
But I also think the solution is very obvious, and I can't believe more FG developers haven't adopted the concept yet.....Tag-based/Team games.
Well, there have been a good amount of Team games by now (MKTrilogy(?), KoF games, CvS, MvC, SvCChaos(?), CFE,etc.), but not many games have adopted a 2 vs. 1_2 system. By that, I mean these Team games are still basically one-on-one, your characters just take turns. But a Tag/2vs1_2 system (a la MvC) is what i feel these FG companies need to make more of.

A game system like that has a way deeper team aspect and in general, way deeper in-game strat.
The thing is ur right in some points...but the actual POINT I'm trying to make is that most people (like me) don't like the chaos of simultaneous team fighting (MvC2). Besides..Justin Wong :tdown: would end up winning it for 4 years straight anyways.

[monkeyspank]

lol you guys sound like g4 saying gg is a kids game and takes no skill to play haha.

Actually i like all fighting games cept maybe cvs2, maybe cuz i would like to see the character move more that once in a round. Hmm have u tried garou,lastblade,rival schools?

[nothingxs]

Someone please sit down and explain to me in a logical manner what the fuck is wrong with GGXX#R? The mechanics from what I've seen are perfectly fine, the game is very balanced and there seems to be a lot of skill required to be anywhere close to a good player. What the fuck's wrong with that?

[CrotchMonkey]

Someone please sit down and explain to me in a logical manner what the fuck is wrong with GGXX#R?
the fans. i just find it overrated as well.. shoved into my face like its the next best thing.

[EVERDRED]

the fans. i just find it overrated as well.. shoved into my face like its the next best thing.

yea like i tried to get into it... but its just too loose and random the same ppl who liked it most likely liked doa2 i swear.

[MrQuotes]

Tekken 5 made things interesting for me

[Keep-away_Guile]

Tekken 5 made things interesting for me

Tekken 5 also made me get into 3D fighters more. SC2 doesn't really cut it for me. I don't know about VF though.

[Shotokan Symphony]

the fans. i just find it overrated as well.. shoved into my face like its the next best thing.
The fuck are you talkiing about, shoved down your throat? It's got no advertisements for it, almost no one has heard of it, and half the community(ie your half) think it sucks. Who's shoving what into whose mouth now?
And drop that fan arguement. Capcom fans and GG fans are just sides to the same fucking dumb fandom coin. :/

[DS]

Tekken 5 made things interesting for me


Plus, its the new hotness. Fighting game fans are like fashion whores. We always have to follow the trend and go play the new shit.

But yeah. GGXX is alright. My girlfriend plays it. Not that good, but she gives it her all. Although my Slayer will rip her Baiken apart. But yeah. I'm tired of GGXX in my opinion. Tekken 5 has saturated my hunger for a new fighter. And its a good one at that.

But really think about it. Without all of these fighters, there would be no diversity in the fighting game community. Everyone has their own preference. GGXX IMO has attracted more people to the fighting game genre(well, those that like pretty graphics) and it gave them a solid game. I guess from there they should be willing to try new fighters. But I can't really say much because SF2 is what got me hooked. So I can't really say from a newbie perspective.

[OhNoos]

at least Q has a gimmick like his taunts what does Sean have? he's a bare bones shoto who has to work for every piece of damage he does.


He has some useful supers, try and parry his DP super it's almost impossible... and the tornado super combos off a uoh pretty easy and does big damage... he is playable, people just choose not to play him because he’s not 2i/NG Sean.


I’m not saying he’s good I’m saying he is just as playable as the rest of the bottom of sf3:3s... no one in that game is totally worthless.

[HellSap]

wow, I guess everyone took my post seriously and didnt realize the whole thing that the one person pointed out via paradox

everyones stuck in their own shit and wont try anything new. I play everything, but the most innovative stuff gets shunned away because
A - it doesnt degenerate into fucking simple gameplay
B - it doesnt have Ken, Ryu or Chun

Sarge - you better not get into Tekken 5. Ive seen more talk of anime references from the main T5 fanbase than the #R fanbase. I mean, everyone seems to have seen Ippo or some type of other cool anime. Wait, all anime is dumb because theres some retarded anime people out there, whoops. Sucks for fighting game fans, when theres always someone whos gonna be playing on an empty machine spinning the stick in circles hitting all the buttons real fast. Its people like that that make the entire fighting game community look bad. I mean, look at those scrubs, obviously because of them everyone who plays any fighting game is a scrub and is only attracted to fighting games by superficial means.
WTG fags.
Edit : No, I dont mean you homosexuals who play fighting games, jeez, stupid attention whores.
Edit 2 : yes, thats right, you whores.

[WasFemto]

I thought I was the only one seeig the anime stereotypes in T5.

[CrotchMonkey]

Who's shoving what into whose mouth now?

the fans are shoving #r down my mouth. simple. maybe you dont know a lot of people near you into that game..

[thedude.com]

rival schools ??

yep sounds like this game are for kids
and also for anime fags too eh ..??

i'm not a typical anime hardcore , but at least i enjoyed the ...unpolished rival schools game play , especially the 2nd sequal and i believe is very broken .

[EVERDRED]

He has some useful supers, try and parry his DP super it's almost impossible... and the tornado super combos off a uoh pretty easy and does big damage... he is playable, people just choose not to play him because he’s not 2i/NG Sean.


I’m not saying he’s good I’m saying he is just as playable as the rest of the bottom of sf3:3s... no one in that game is totally worthless.

i hear where your coming from but the thing is when u r playing as sean and u know that your super is what will bring u damage how do u stall and make the damage happen that the super wont account for til its charged? AND u've needed to do enough damage to stay alive to last that long for the super to do it's part.

sean really cant retreat or come in safely at all and is not a threat without super. dont say sa2 is hard to parry... we all know that but how did sean get that meter for it? combos? NOPE he has none only throws and pokes. he's a bare bones shoto that has to commit and risk damage to do his own damage...

even short hurricane kick messes him up it leaves him pretty much with the same or more recovery depending on how u hit. its a wake up game that sean has to play for minute damage.

so in a way your just playing rock/paper/scissors from set up to set up to do any damage having the risk being three times (atleast) the damage he does. it catches up to sean players all the time... it's just he isnt getting meter quick enough because u need to guess right off all your exchanges...

sean really is just a guess right character... so u either gotta be psychic or completely random to get by.

Q is over sean tier wise because he has a draw in feature to him-> taunts, having a thin sprite, kara throw

if sean had something that controlled the match other than his complete mindless rushdown then he would be functional...

ken has strong fierce, jab srk
chun has kara throw, high priority normals
yun has a short bar and major mobility

[9TNine]

Actually...GG is pretty gay...not different ....just gay...the mechanics of the game are just screwed... sorry the whole "anime" thing is pretty :lame:

Have you sat and played the game?

You don't have to be an anime fan to enjoy it. I don't watch anime, I like #R. I like Capcom games. I've also met NUMEROUS anime people that like SF, even if they suck at it or don't even play it. Capcom games have a rather large anime fanbase as well, #R just looks more like anime than Capcom's games do.

What's so bad about the game mechanics? I'd say it's probably the most balanced currently played 2D fighter out there. And to whoever said it was "random". It seems strange at first, but have you actually gotten familiar with the game?

EDIT: Forgot to add, #R's characters for the most part are all pretty unique. This helps make it much more interesting cause you don't really risk having characters ignored because there's a similar character who plays better (Ken and Ryu in 3S, for example).

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[cygnus]

Yeah GGXX/#R has some of the cleanest mechanics of any 2D fighter.

[Shotokan Symphony]

the fans are shoving #r down my mouth. simple. maybe you dont know a lot of people near you into that game..
As opposed to the people here who try to shove MVC2 into people's mouths?
Yeah, TOTALLY DIFFERENT

[caliagent#3]

yea like i tried to get into it... but its just too loose and random the same ppl who liked it most likely liked doa2 i swear.


Holy shit!! Exactly how i feel about the game!!

[Shotokan Symphony]

UGH
Define "random"
Don't be surprised if your definition applies to your favorite game, too(ESPECIALLY if it's 3S).

[caliagent#3]

UGH
Define "random"
Don't be surprised if your definition applies to your favorite game, too(ESPECIALLY if it's 3S).


Well 3s has a controlled aspect to it's random gameplay. But #r just feels random no matter what happens. Mindless rushdown isn't very fun :sad:

[Zazzarius]

if you want something new, get into GG now, because they are making a new game

can you say the same for SF?

[PozerWolf]

But #r just feels random no matter what happens. Mindless rushdown isn't very fun :sad:

To you it feels random, but it isnt. The game is ran on 100% BS 'cause of the way the engine was built, but you can always plan out your attaccks before you do them.

I really don't see how #R is random.

[Zazzarius]

I really don't see how #R is random.
i can only think of 2 random effects in #R

1. faust's item toss
2. zappa's summons (and by extension the items that fall when you hit someone with the ghost)

[PozerWolf]

1. faust's item toss
2. zappa's summons (and by extension the items that fall when you hit someone with the ghost)

Oh that.
Well actually, the items the ghost throw are not random. You can actually time them for longer combos.

EDIT: Also, Testament's bird isnt random either.

[Shotokan Symphony]

Well 3s has a controlled aspect to it's random gameplay. But #r just feels random no matter what happens. Mindless rushdown isn't very fun :sad:
CONTROLLED LOL
Random parry into combo of choice, great fun.
controlled in 3s= characters standing in place doing f or d at random intervals, throwing out attacks even less unless in close.
Give me a break. That's 3s at its worst. at its best, it's good, but it's SO much more random that #R.

[CrotchMonkey]

if you want something new, get into GG now, because they are making a new game

can you say the same for SF?
another rehash?

[caliagent#3]

CONTROLLED LOL
Random parry into combo of choice, great fun.
controlled in 3s= characters standing in place doing f or d at random intervals, throwing out attacks even less unless in close.
Give me a break. That's 3s at its worst. at its best, it's good, but it's SO much more random that #R.

A lot better than random/mindless rushdown

[gguseila]

another rehash?


Even if it is, sf does the exact same, please.

Chem I dont see what you think is random about it.

[CrotchMonkey]

Even if it is, sf does the exact same, please.

no one said they didnt. but like i said, gg is overrated.

[SynikaL]

Want something different? Play Smash.



-Syn
(as in SSBM)

[EVERDRED]

good players bait random parrys with a move if parried leaves u far away enough or with enough recovery u counter the next move of the person who parried.

ryu's st far jab for example

[Shotokan Symphony]

good players bait random parrys with a move if parried leaves u far away enough or with enough recovery u counter the next move of the person who parried.

ryu's st far jab for exampleThat isn't such an issue, because d parries completely duck it.
I'm more afraid of c.mk from anyone than a f parry into a poke. And even if you're just far enough to get an attack parried in time to block, I don't think it puts you at an advantage. Rather, it just resets the match.
A lot better than random/mindless rushdownLOL, which 3S has in spades! You HAVE to be random NOT to be parried!
And how the fuck is the rushdown in #R or even XX mindless? Please, give me an example that can actually float on its own.
Or, you know, just say that you don't like it because you don't like it(or "lol animer ***").

[Zidanel33t]

...lol animer ***!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[EVERDRED]

That isn't such an issue, because d parries completely duck it.
I'm more afraid of c.mk from anyone than a f parry into a poke. And even if you're just far enough to get an attack parried in time to block, I don't think it puts you at an advantage. Rather, it just resets the match..

if u down parry a far jab u wont duck it u'll actually parry it. think of yun's st jab into his chain -> genie jin can be parried high or low. u have block strings in third strike just like u do for any game there just not long boring overpowering ones u need a special meter to break through....

it wont RESET the match it'll punish the person for parrying and doing a move that's starting time lasts longer then the recovery of the far jab.

so if u didnt see u parried the jab cus u were just doing a random parry all ryu has to do now is go for a throw since far jab is his throw reach.

this is one example where parrying randomly and spazzing low forward gets u thrown.

[archetype]

People who complain about games being random usually get destroyed in them because they get they rushed down and can't handle it.

"OMG GGXX is random." Whats wrong can't block low? Losing to zappa? Come on now. Just because you can't grasp a game and its mechanics don't blame it by calling it random. I noticed that fighting game players love the word "random".

peace

Sav

[Henaki]

I just lost about 80 IQ points reading this shitty thread.

[koogy]

The randomness in #R is no different then in 3S, MvC2 or any other high level fighting game where mix-ups come into play.

However, the highest levels of the game use such advanced mix-up techniques, I wouldn't blame half of the people who see it played at that level for calling it "random".

[JustOwnin]

ky is every anime humpers dream.

gg is overrated. gg fanboys are worst than doa fags. btw wasfemto everytime you make a vf post you make me go one step closer to buying the fucking thing haha

DOA RUN THIS SHIT MUH FUCKA AND DON'T YOU FO' GET IT!

[JustOwnin]

Japanese Hugo players have won tournaments...I wouldn't even say Hugo is "Low Tier" I’d put him bottom of mid-tier.

Sean, Q , Twelve...that's the bottom, from my take anyway

and all 3 can be quite effective if used correctly...they're just harder to use than say, Ken or Chun.

It's not that Hugo as a character is bad, it's just that so many other muh fuckaz is better than him.

[OhNoos]

Oh I’m not saying Hugo is good, but I wouldn’t put him in the bottom tier, his low-mid tier but the bottom is Twelve, Q, Sean…I mean Gigas alone puts him in mid tier, one of those and the round is basically over.

and I wasn’t arguing Sean is good I was saying he is not worthless, if you’re good and play smart and tight you can win with Sean… You can really take advantage of people not knowing his moves (how many times have you got a free 2 hit headbutt just because people aren’t used to seeing it) but he is definitely at the bottom of the tiers with the other low-tier folks.

A big thing it seems like in 3s isn’t big damage or huge combos but options, and twelve, Q, and Sean all have very few options in most situations.

Let’s say you’re Ken and you parry someone’s UOH, there are literally 100s of things you could do at that point. Now lets say your Sean, there are maybe 10 things you can do? And none of them terribly effective… Same with Q and Twelve… the more you can do the more you’ll mix your game up and be more unpredictable all the low tier folks are there because they all can become very predictable over time…my 2 cents anyway

[JustOwnin]

rival schools ??

yep sounds like this game are for kids
and also for anime fags too eh ..??

i'm not a typical anime hardcore , but at least i enjoyed the ...unpolished rival schools game play , especially the 2nd sequal and i believe is very broken .

What anime did your avator come from?