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DA GAME
03-07-2005, 01:47 PM
This question has been on DA GAME's mind for awhile,but why does Akuma soak up damage like a sponge when he packs a lot of damage in his combos & attacks?DA GAME thought that he would at least be on par with Ryu & Ken in terms of taking normal damage but a 5 hit combo from anybody would kill him instantly.Someone explain.

MegaFool_X
03-07-2005, 01:55 PM
I don't wanna give you a vague answer. So here goes. Akuma trained in the art of the Shotokan. But he got overtaken by the power of the Gouhodo or the dark energy. More like he let himself be overtaken. This makes him very powerful. But it also consumes his soul, his life force. He takes damage because the Power of the Dark Hadou weakens his soul strength. The same goes for when he relies more on that power and is then known as S.Akuma. S.Akuma is Akuma completely taken by the power of the Dark Energy, and is at maximum power, a rush down machine, a beating utensil of the Dark Hadou. While S.Akuma is strong, his body's soul is weakened, drain.


Oh yeah
The same is true for Shin Ryu too, the only thing about him is that his soul fights the power of the Dark Hadou, so while he is stronger and faster, he don't give in to it like Akuma, so he has a stronger soul than akuma, a stronger life force. He take more damage at about 75% defence. Akuma take damage about 55% of normal Ryu's defence. S.Akuma has about 35% defence compared to normal Ryu.

Juggrknott
03-07-2005, 01:56 PM
This question has been on DA GAME's mind for awhile,but why does Akuma soak up damage like a sponge when he packs a lot of damage in his combos & attacks.

I think you just answered your own question.

Saotome Kaneda
03-07-2005, 03:57 PM
This question has been on DA GAME's mind for awhile,but why does Akuma soak up damage like a sponge when he packs a lot of damage in his combos & attacks?DA GAME thought that he would at least be on par with Ryu & Ken in terms of taking normal damage but a 5 hit combo from anybody would kill him instantly.Someone explain.
BALANCE.

There's a reason why he's so stupid easy in SFZ1 and ST.

bender mark2
03-07-2005, 04:18 PM
because he is gay
ken/ryu > gayboy akuma

MegaFool_X
03-07-2005, 04:48 PM
because he is gay
ken/ryu > gayboy akuma
Man, you try being taken to hell to be beaten by raging demons, come back and say that.

Akuma is the second Tier Rush down for sure. You have to be a gambler to understand Akuma, its all or nothing. Go for broke. Live or die. You do not let your opponent attack even once if its with-in your power.

Theres an Avatar out there that says "Rush that shit down". Well thats Akuma's and Yun's moto.

Why do you think S.Akuma always attacking you?

Find out more about AKUMA (http://www.maidenmasher.com/akumaindex.html) here.

MegaFool_X
03-07-2005, 05:02 PM
I'm wrong. Akuma is as strong as he is because of his sheer will and training. But I'm assuming because he doesn't plan on taking many hits, he doesn't train for things like that, he only trains for destruction. While he does let the power of the Dark Hadou inhabit his body as evident in SFA3, he is still in full control of his body, which is why he isn't hell bent on destroying the world, just out to prove that he is the greatest over Ryu. SFA3 S.Akuma ending. Aww just read the page for Akuma (http://www.maidenmasher.com/akumaindex.html)

Jeeebus!
03-07-2005, 05:17 PM
Mega: You might possibly be the biggest nerd ever.

It's probably because in SSF2T, they needed some way to balance out his retarded offence, and I guess the "overpowered offence, low defence" formula just stuck on him. Makes him slightly different from Ryu/Ken at least.

polarity
03-07-2005, 05:19 PM
trying to reconcile in-game stats with the canon storyline = pointless.

i find it pretty incredible that people can take such a deep interest in the SF plot, which is possibly one of the most pointless and weakly strung together game plots in history

Zan-kun
03-07-2005, 06:13 PM
trying to reconcile in-game stats with the canon storyline = pointless.

i find it pretty incredible that people can take such a deep interest in the SF plot, which is possibly one of the most pointless and weakly strung together game plots in history

The SF plotline is very deep to begin with. The story had a lot to do in SFA3 characters, most notably Guile. A Sonic Boom from Guile does like a pixel of damege. This emphasizes how weak Guile was in comparison to Charlie at that point.

Anywho, Akuma just fall into the fighting game stereotype category in terms of Character balance:

Theres the Strong silent type, which is usually very strong, but has weak defense (Akuma of course)

The average character who is usually the protagonist (Ryu)

The huge character who isn't particularily strong, except for his grapples (Zangief)

And so on and so forth

DS
03-07-2005, 06:19 PM
It's a fucking geek-fest in here. God. :p

Anyway, it all depends on how good you play with him. Then you are able to stop anyone. Just look at Valle. Team Mall Scrub ownz most of the top tier characters from time to time. Still trying to figure out how he does with Akuma.

KaiSingrz
03-07-2005, 06:22 PM
if akuma had normal defense, there would really be less use for Ken and Ryu in a lot of games.

jae hoon
03-07-2005, 06:27 PM
To piss off the Akuma fanboys.

Higher-Jin
03-07-2005, 06:35 PM
Game wise i'd say balance.

What's the point of picking of ryu and ken if akuma has everything they have + 5 more moves and can juggle off his hurricane kick?

Otherwise i'd say he's old.

fishjie
03-07-2005, 06:42 PM
to balance out the game

DUH

jimminey cricket, akuma (or gouki as the rabid otakus would like to call him) is a weak piece of ugly crap. spikey red hair? communicates in only constipated grunts? wtf is this shit

three words: sentinel stomps his ass down all day every day.
magneto reset rapes him down the gutter
storm rejects his pathetic advances by running away from his ugly ass
and cable fucking points his gun at akuma and shoots him


PS raging demon is GAY. hmm lets see the screen turns black, theres a bunch of sparks flying, and when the lights come back on akuma is standing over their prone body? hmm............ GUESS WHAT HE JUST TAPPED THAT ASS FROM THE BACK. ACCEPT THAT FAN BOYS

Sagatryu
03-07-2005, 06:55 PM
Guess Capcom used the black screen because they don't wont to show this.


What happens during the shungokusatsu is that they go to hell. The demons in hell will attack the person even if they're sin free or not. They're demons, they'll go at anything. But with evil characters, their past sins will also haunt on top of the demons attacking them for that split second. Gen survives this because he empties his spirit, heart and mind. "Onore wo mu ni suru". "Mu" means emptiness, nothingness. One of the reasons why Gouken has the kanji "Mu" on his back. It's really not about how strong the person is but how tuned and focused they are with their mind and soul.

The user is in danger during the Shun Goku Satsu, too, if he isn't prepared. Both the user and the target go to hell. Canonwise, Ryu and Sakura have never done the Shun Goku Satsu.


Showing all of that would have been a lot cooler than a stupid black screen, but no Capcom just had to go with the black screen stupid Capcom.

Gutter Trash
03-07-2005, 06:57 PM
I vote for ballance!

Meeting Akuma in Super Turbo, seeing what he can do in Alpha and meeting him again in 2nd Impact. Ballancing out this monster was the only way. Dudley's HK> EX Jet Uppercut already ramps up Akuma's sunn meter and i welcome it.

I don't care about the SF story canon since it focuses mostly the main characters who hoag all the spotlight while other characters are just considered supportive in the story.. and most of my favorite characters are not the main flagship characters/

Sagatryu
03-07-2005, 07:20 PM
main characters who hog all the spotlight

1 M.bison ( of course he Hogs the spotlight he's the Main villain)

2 Chun-Li ( Hogs the spotlight in SFA2 , SFA3 and SF2)

3 Cammy ( Cammy hogs the spotlight in SFA3 and Sf2)

4 Guile ( Guile Hogs the spotlight in SFA3 and SF2 )

5 Charlie( Charlie hog the spotlight in SFA3 )

6 Ryu ( Hogs the spotlight in Street fighter one , Semi hogs the Spot light in SFA2 , Hog's the spot light SFA3 , becomes just a supportive character in SF2 & SF3

7 Gill ( he's the villain duh)

8 Alex ( Hogs the spot light in SF3 )


9 Urien ( Hogs the spotlight in SF3 )

10 Rose ( Hogs the spotlight in SFA3 )

11 Yun & Yang

supportive characters

1 Ken

2 Sagat

3 Balrog

4 Akuma

5 Oro

6 M.Bison

7 Gen

8 Q

9 Hugo

10 Vega

11 Twelve

12 Adon

13 Guy

14 Sakura

15 Cody

16 Balrog

17 Zangief

18 Dhalsim

19 T Hawk

20 The Twelve Dolls

21 Rolento

22 Sodom

23 Karin

24 Birdie

25 Necro

26 Dudley

27 Blanka

28 Fei Long

29 Honda

30 Makoto


31 Ibuki

32 Elena

33 Dee Jay

34 R. Mika

35 Dan

36 Sean

rook
03-07-2005, 08:06 PM
A gameplay question deserves a gameplay response. don't bring the storyline into it.

as some sensible people have already said, it's pretty much to balance him out. His unique offensive options are pretty good (air FB, blade kick, juggling off his hurricane kick, demon flip mixups), so they gave him crappy stamina to compensate for it.

Motoki Imawano
03-07-2005, 08:06 PM
bwahahahahahahahaha @ some of the responses in this thread.

Duck Strong
03-07-2005, 10:47 PM
trying to reconcile in-game stats with the canon storyline = pointless.

i find it pretty incredible that people can take such a deep interest in the SF plot, which is possibly one of the most pointless and weakly strung together game plots in history

Finally the voice of reason. Now try to convince the people in the SF comics section haha, good luck.

Sagatryu
03-08-2005, 12:37 AM
I really don't read the plot guide I just skim through it to find out who's more powerful than who and most of the SF plot is talk about here.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173&page=1&pp=15


Ps: I also like did the Illumanti thing because I was curouis about the secret Illumanti techniques I mean can't a guy be curouis. ( plus I also did it so I could think of really cool moves)

Note 1: I do this to every fighting game plot guide I come cross it's a habbit.


I am rumbler and it's my duty to find out what the characters can or can not do regardless if the storyline is coherent or not!

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25

I go by the name Bruceleehulk on the rumble forums.


Note 2: it seems to me people are just curouis about the storyline and stuff so I think it has more to do with curouisty then being interested.

Ni8wing
03-08-2005, 03:33 AM
In the right hands akuma is the best player in third strike.

~UNKILLABLE~
03-08-2005, 04:40 AM
In the right hands chun li is the best player in 3rd strike not akuma.

nothingxs
03-08-2005, 09:44 AM
The gameplay reason why Akuma takes hits like a fucking baby is because if he didn't, he'd be broken as hell. He has way too many offensive options and a lot of ways to deal a lot of damage in a small amount of time. Taking way more damage than normal is a way of counteracting this.

The storyline reason? Noone knows, and even less people care, but it was already stated that he probably never plans to take a hit, and thus he only trains to destroy. Makes sense, kind of.

Lynx Winters
03-08-2005, 11:05 AM
Finally the voice of reason. Now try to convince the people in the SF comics section haha, good luck.

Some of us comic fans are smart enough to separate the game and the comic, you know. He may be a big badass in the comics, but that doesn't, and shouldn't, change the fact that he takes damage like a wet paper bag for balance.

Sagatryu
03-08-2005, 06:18 PM
Duck strong isn't talking about the Comics Storyline he's talking about the Cannon Storyline!

Gameplay reason: Balance

Storyline reason: Unknown ( the crazy thing is akuma trains under 3000 meters / 9,842 feet below Sea Level)

http://www.extremescience.com/howdeep4.htm

strakka
03-08-2005, 07:07 PM
In the right hands Sean is the best player in 3rd strike not chun li or akuma.

Even the non-pink ones.