View Full Version : Should Competitive Gaming be a Sport?
MKKID
03-08-2005, 10:32 PM
High Level gaming has to have a stable mind, hand coordination, some nerves when under pressure, timing, among other things. All I have to say is if bowling and/or competitive eating is a sport then gaming should be one too. What do you all think?
The_Reno
03-08-2005, 10:38 PM
Yes. If you consider chess a sport, competitive gaming is a sport. It's all mental, yes, but it's ridiculously hard. Move, countermove, and in the case of most 2D fighters, you've got to have rhythm and timing too.
PimpC
03-08-2005, 10:43 PM
I guess but i have this issue where i need to feel more physical wear to feel like it's a sport....but on another note what the fucl is up with curling, what's going on there anyone know....if so please tell me...
Postman~730
03-08-2005, 10:55 PM
I guess but i have this issue where i need to feel more physical wear to feel like it's a sport....but on another note what the fucl is up with curling, what's going on there anyone know....if so please tell me...
Shit, you dont be feelin' it in ya hands?!?!? I know I do.... :sad:
kraziepinoy
03-08-2005, 10:59 PM
it should be one, but not gonna happen :(
MKKID
03-08-2005, 11:02 PM
So basically Golf, bowling, pool are considered sports and can be continued even after you too old to be competitive in more strenous activity. I guess all games might not meet that standard but DDR should. I have tried it twice but it is my favorite. Big tittied chicks jumping around is ownage. Like the Manshows juggies without the sportsbras. :clap:
Crimson Fury
03-08-2005, 11:51 PM
sport(spôrt, sprt)
n.
1. a.Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
Eh, whatever.
Eric J
03-09-2005, 06:31 AM
High Level gaming has to have a stable mind, hand coordination, some nerves when under pressure, timing, among other things. All I have to say is if bowling and/or competitive eating is a sport then gaming should be one too. What do you all think?
Ummmmmm, it already is, what are you talking about? Just not recognized by a lot of people as far as the competitive scene goes.
booda
03-09-2005, 06:43 AM
Poker, darts, pool, these are all just games that people started playing competitively. The word "sport" itself has always been pretty vague.
"You kill things just for sport?"
"Hey, you're a good sport."
"Very sporting to give someone a headstart."
Of course, the standards for modern sports are dictated by the "holy trinity": baseball, football, and basketball.
PimpC
03-09-2005, 09:08 AM
Shit, you dont be feelin' it in ya hands?!?!? I know I do.... :sad:
true i do feel that and sometimes my nerves get up, not like it has in actual sports, but they do....damn darts is a sport....but seriously will someone explain what the fuck is up with curling
platinum_pinoy
03-09-2005, 09:23 AM
Poker, darts, pool, these are all just games that people started playing competitively. The word "sport" itself has always been pretty vague.
I think all those are games, not sports.
As opposed to being a sport, I think games should become professional.
polarity
03-09-2005, 09:40 AM
It'd be nice to see competitive gaming get more coverage just because it would probably stop at least some of the scrubs who think they're god's gift to SF, having never seen high level play.
OhNoos
03-09-2005, 09:48 AM
No, it is not a sport.
Nether is bowling, pool, poker, darts, scrabble, chess, NASCAR or any other bullshit I personally deem to be "not sports".
Ask a stupid question …
Nagata Lock II
03-09-2005, 10:04 AM
It's just gaming held on a competitive level. It is no more a sport than poker. By the definition listed above, you'd see competitive DDR considered a sport before you ever saw fighting games.
FatalFuryD
03-09-2005, 10:30 AM
no, I don't think it should. I find nothing athletic about videogaming.
jaminbenjamin
03-09-2005, 11:50 AM
Most serious chess players wouldn't call it a sport. They'd call it an art form. To me, SF is in the same class (especially if you prefer to play ST or HF).
There are already tournaments taking place for Competitive Gaming, just take a look at the top of this webpage... If that doesn't make it a sport, what else are you looking for? Commericial sponsors, more rules and regulations, more assholes, more respect? In my humble opinion, we've already come a LONG way in the past 10 years, and things really couldn't be a whole lot better.
bender mark2
03-09-2005, 11:53 AM
nope,
we should encoruage kids to study, not spend all day playing videogames in some vain attempt to make a living out of it
Duck Strong
03-09-2005, 12:16 PM
^Is that some kind of thinly-veiled social commentary?
Serpent
03-09-2005, 12:18 PM
Is poker a sport? It has the same qualifications as SF.
I guess playing tetris competitively is a sport too.
Or maybe coin flipping. Gotta get the right call, right?
How about rock-paper-scissors? Deep mindgames there son...do you take Rock twice? Or do you counter with scissors the second time? Or do you counter the counter?
I suggest you people don't get hung up on definitions. Even if you were to consider these things a sport, you would have to realize not all sports are created equally. Football and Basketball will always be more physically taxing and be more respected in terms of athleticism than many other sports. Don't even try to challenge that.
EX-Sucker Punch
03-09-2005, 12:25 PM
It'd be funny that if gaming WAS a sport, it'd make its way into schools.
I can see it now.
"Junior Varsity Halo 2"
booda
03-09-2005, 01:35 PM
I think a reverse definition is being used from the holy trinity. We all know baseball, football, and basketball are sports, so people say that sports are anything that resemble football, baseball, and basketball. The more similarities something has to these three activities, the more of a sport it is according to most people.
But folks, they're games. Game and sport are synonyms to each other.
As for being professional, they already are. Being a professional doesn't always mean you get paid for it. Professional is synonymous with expert.
Kayin
03-09-2005, 01:45 PM
They're games, but not sports.
I see it this way: All sports are games, but not all games are sports.
Sacred Edge KH
03-09-2005, 06:21 PM
...
Not really a conventional sport, but an interesting form of competition nonetheless. Spectators can have just as much fun watching.
Satoshi
03-09-2005, 06:30 PM
Games have to first be widely accepted by EVERYONE in the United States or everywhere else, before they would allow competitive gaming and televised gaming tournaments.
Which would be quite nice. I predict in a decade or so, it'll happen.
MKKID
03-09-2005, 10:27 PM
I just want to see video gamer trading cards. They could even make it into a card game. My Jap card is more valuable than two of your american cards. Maybe "Sport" in the mainstream sense is the wrong word. There should be another catergory for games that even when you are old you can still participate in. Pool, bowling, golf, darts, poker are all games, but we should have a word is synonymous for less physical games. I just believe that hardcore gamers should be given more credit by some.
MKKID
03-09-2005, 10:37 PM
Is poker a sport? It has the same qualifications as SF.
I guess playing tetris competitively is a sport too.
Or maybe coin flipping. Gotta get the right call, right?
How about rock-paper-scissors? Deep mindgames there son...do you take Rock twice? Or do you counter with scissors the second time? Or do you counter the counter?
I suggest you people don't get hung up on definitions. Even if you were to consider these things a sport, you would have to realize not all sports are created equally. Football and Basketball will always be more physically taxing and be more respected in terms of athleticism than many other sports. Don't even try to challenge that.
You forgot about the huge one for the entire world. Soccer. Also as far as physically taxing I would put Mixed Martial arts up on top. I am not denying that physical sports will always have dominance with respect I would say that there should be another catergory of sports. I am just saying that if Golf is a sport and gets huge prize money and tv air time then gamers should get theres one day. But to correct you, poker doesn't have all the qualifications as SF. I have never seen someone do crazy ass timing combos like in marvel, daigo type playing in SF in any poker tournament.
I don't consider poker a sport, but it's popularity has gotten people to play it like a sport, with tv coverage and everything. Chess isn't really a sport either, but there's sponsors and shit to it.
Games: it could happen, already happens in korea with SC and CS. But i dunno in america if it will ever happen.
Muskau
03-10-2005, 09:33 AM
nope,
we should encoruage kids to study, not spend all day playing videogames in some vain attempt to make a living out of it
Tell that to the kid that has his parents and coach tell him he can make at least a mil a year off getting a pigskin to one end of a lined grassed area
WasFemto
03-10-2005, 10:13 AM
Fuck it why not? If Golf is considered a sport why not. Anyone ever watch the olymics on one channel during the crazy shit when men and women compete in the rings and uneven bars doing all kinds of acrobatic shit and looking fit as all hell, then you turn to another station and some pot-bellied pig with his gut hanging over the stick swinging and hitting a ball with completer silence. That shit is considered a sport :lame:
Serpent
03-10-2005, 03:45 PM
I am just saying that if Golf is a sport and gets huge prize money and tv air time then gamers should get theres one day.
Golf doesn't have huge prize money and tv air time because its a sport. It has all that because there's a market for it, and it can afford to give out those payouts. CS and Halo 2 have hundreds of thousands of dollars in terms of prize money. Fighting games do not. It's a stupid little niche market of dorks that take it too seriously. I play fighting games for fun. If I wanted to make money off of a hobby, I'd go and learn CS and try to be the best in that. Seriously, why "should" gamers be due anything? Fighting game players don't contribute to anything, and theres no set system already in place for it. There aren't enough players for enough money to be made off this to actually consider a big payout, sponsorship, or TV airtime. Are you going to take the banner up for Lacrosse and Badminton and demand they make the same money as baseball players too? Ridiculous.
I have to question why the people that are whining they want recognition and money are actually playing. If you want money and recognition, why don't you do something else? Instead you're trying to take something and force the world to play by your rules. That's precisely why everyone looks at a hardcore 2d fighting game player as a dork. Instead of learning how to adapt to the situations and when and when not to cut loose, everyone on this site wants to tier whore against their "friends" that don't even play games seriously.
Fighting games a sport...what a joke. Why don't you nerdy losers play real sports instead of complaining that this isn't a sport? You want to play a sport go try out for your school's football team. Don't play fighting games casually and then whine that the chicks aren't jocking you. I've never heard a chess player whine that chess isn't a sport and complaining that there aren't any cheerleaders at chess tournaments. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Col, back me up yo, I know you're probably reading this thread.
*InVeRs3*
03-10-2005, 08:51 PM
No. Almost every game make bad spectator sports. How the fuck do people watch CS/UT/SC/WC3. How the fuck can you enjoy that shit while watching it?? Except maybe a few fighting games, but they're boring as fuck to watch sometimes.
The_Reno
03-10-2005, 11:31 PM
Thinking about it further, I do realize that most chess players wouldn't consider it a sport, more an incredibly mental battle of attrition.
Sport, no, hard, sure. I wouldn't mind cheerleaders at events though. But then again, if you did mind, you're either a girl, or gay.
specs
03-10-2005, 11:46 PM
Should Competitive Gaming be a Sport?
IMHO, no.
However, if darts, pool, and Olympic diving are considered sports, then there's no reason competetive gaming shouldn't be considered one either.
EDIT - that isn't a shot at darts, pool, or Olympic diving. I just don't think they possess ALL three of the following elements: atheletism, competition, strategy. And that's just IMO. A true definition of "sport" is vague at best.
Jaymzaddiction
03-10-2005, 11:57 PM
I feel that competitive gaming IS a sport, who can honestly say that he would not like beating the hell out of Daigo Umehara or KO, in a friendly SF match, I know I would but I have to work on my skills and hone them just like any other good'ol sport
MKKID
03-13-2005, 08:18 PM
Golf doesn't have huge prize money and tv air time because its a sport. It has all that because there's a market for it, and it can afford to give out those payouts. CS and Halo 2 have hundreds of thousands of dollars in terms of prize money. Fighting games do not. It's a stupid little niche market of dorks that take it too seriously. I play fighting games for fun. If I wanted to make money off of a hobby, I'd go and learn CS and try to be the best in that. Seriously, why "should" gamers be due anything? Fighting game players don't contribute to anything, and theres no set system already in place for it. There aren't enough players for enough money to be made off this to actually consider a big payout, sponsorship, or TV airtime. Are you going to take the banner up for Lacrosse and Badminton and demand they make the same money as baseball players too? Ridiculous.
I have to question why the people that are whining they want recognition and money are actually playing. If you want money and recognition, why don't you do something else? Instead you're trying to take something and force the world to play by your rules. That's precisely why everyone looks at a hardcore 2d fighting game player as a dork. Instead of learning how to adapt to the situations and when and when not to cut loose, everyone on this site wants to tier whore against their "friends" that don't even play games seriously.
Fighting games a sport...what a joke. Why don't you nerdy losers play real sports instead of complaining that this isn't a sport? You want to play a sport go try out for your school's football team. Don't play fighting games casually and then whine that the chicks aren't jocking you. I've never heard a chess player whine that chess isn't a sport and complaining that there aren't any cheerleaders at chess tournaments. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Col, back me up yo, I know you're probably reading this thread.
It seems you have a lot of anger issues. Chillax. There is nothing wrong with wanting more prize money, cheerleaders, air time if you are that level. Just saying that there should be a catergory for mentally taxing hobbies like chess. Physical activities deserve their respect that they get just think that sometime in the distant future when the world is less physically demanding we will get our dues. As far as the dork comments, that is just stereotypical. Chillax.
Dark Geese
03-21-2005, 11:12 AM
Yeah I have to agree..MLG is where its at right now. Kingdom is right!!!
Maybe we should call Daigo "The Tom Brady of Street Fighter." Maybe not? I dunno..LOL
Exploit
03-21-2005, 12:41 PM
I believe that it could become a professional occupation, just like everything else,if it could catch on with not only the hardcore gamers,but, the average joe who doesn't give a damn about games. All sports and games start off small,like poker for example. But the more coverage it receives and the more people see the competitiveness,and the skill, and excitement of the game/sport, people become interested enough to watch it, learn it, and even participate in it. I was looking at poker championships when it was only televised once a year on a random channel. Now it has grown to monumental proportions, and being shown on numerous channels,newspapers, and books now. If there's one thing I've seen is that, in society now, anything can become a trend, it just depends on the timing.
K2Grey
03-21-2005, 02:42 PM
Chess is considered by its players to be a sport (sometimes)...
specs
03-21-2005, 02:46 PM
Chess is considered by its players to be a sport (sometimes)...
WTF? :confused: I don't care what anyone sez, chess is not a sport.
xc3xc3x
03-21-2005, 11:24 PM
european kids dropping out of school to play professional counterstrike is totally condoned over there.
MKKID
03-23-2005, 12:31 AM
My fat ass friend is making money on Lineage 2. He can sell his account for 3 grand. Who actually buys someone's account for real money. What really gets me is that he doesn't have a real job yet he is getting paid to level people up. Some rich guy will actually pay him 50 dollars a day to level him up. Crazy.
300 lb Eugene
02-20-2007, 08:31 AM
I t already is a sport
Rhythm1c
02-20-2007, 10:58 AM
It is better than a "sport" for competitive gaming is called "E-sports"
:)
The Chief
02-20-2007, 11:17 AM
Regaurdless of what you want to call it, it's a competition for money and or glory, it's televised and taken seriously, and people continue to support and take part in it.
Henaki
02-20-2007, 12:45 PM
It's not a sport.
However it's still a legit competitive field, e-sports or pro gaming, whatever you want to call it, exists and is a legit field to have high levels of play in, with coverage, sponsors, coaches, you name it. The real difficulty is the fact that e-sports are difficult to make popular, considering the rules are way more complex/numerous than sports.
KStella55
02-20-2007, 12:54 PM
Nowadays, anything can be a sport. Hell, eating hot dogs is.
Rhythm1c
02-20-2007, 12:58 PM
Nowadays, anything can be a sport. Hell, eating hot dogs is.
Hot dog eating contest are on espn as well as darts.....
DevilJin 01
02-20-2007, 01:14 PM
It already is and Evo is making sure that fighting games jump ship. In all reality...fighting games take more dexterity and quick reaction thinking than any other type of game. When you have to guess and react to different situations and come up with a correct answer as quickly as you do in games like 3S, MVC2 and GG...there's no way professionals of these kind of games shouldn't be getting paid the same as some Unreal Tournament pro.
polarity
02-20-2007, 01:29 PM
In all reality...fighting games take more dexterity and quick reaction thinking than any other type of game.
uh no
Lebowsk1
02-20-2007, 01:36 PM
The "sport vs game" divide is a difficult one to make because well where do you draw the line? People saying Golf is not a sport I think are making a mistake there. It's physical: you swing a club and strike a ball, pretty fucking hard too.
And besides, Street Fighter IS physical. Just because the movements you have to make are tiny, this does not make it any less physically demanding. You have to be very precise. For example, in Alpha 3 I just can't touch V-ism because my execution isnt up to it. A lot of you guys take the execution for granted and just focus on the purely mental aspects of tactics and strategy. I watch guys of my execution skill level play V-ism and drop juggles left and right.
I mean I personally couldnt give a shit what you call it: sport, game, art, hobby etc. If Capcom played their cards right Street Fighter IV could elevate this pursuit up a level.
I'd rather watch high level street fighter clips than any so-called "sport" so to me I don't care if it makes you have to breath hard or not. It has a bigger physical component to it than something like Chess, while having more mindgames than many more athletic endeavours (eg, javelin throwing).
It's just semantics... wouldnt worry about the classifcation thing so much.
Henaki
02-20-2007, 03:05 PM
uh no
guys clearly what we do is better than what someone else does heres no conclusive evidence or even a reason why this is true but everyone will agree with me since im preaching to the choir.
and games are not a sport, they are pretty different. if you have hands congratulations you can play almost every video game ever invented at a competitive level unless you have a mental handicap.
sports require extreme physical training and are very demanding on the body.
this is why i seperate them. if you injure or are weak in specific parts of your body when playing a sport you are probably fucked at a competitive level. basically sports are more demanding of you and any handicap in your body can fuck you up pretty bad. games require hands, fingers and you to be alive.
pvp.tW34k
02-20-2007, 03:07 PM
I really warm up before any good match.
R | C
02-20-2007, 03:09 PM
I think a "sport" is not only defined by it's dictioniary definition , but also by a "cultural" acceptance of it being considered a sport.
And by "cultural" I think even that definition can range far and wide; anything as small as a tiny region to something as large as a nation.
It's obvious a "fighting game culture" exists. And I think within that culture (at least), it would most likely be considred to be a sport. Outside of the fighting game "community," the genre would be less known and participated in, thereby not deeming it perceptable as a sport.
Sidenote: How the hell did Magic the Gathering make it to ESPN ?
final_cut
02-20-2007, 03:09 PM
I recently had this same argument about skateboarding. I was saying that no, it isn't a sport and it shouldn't be on ESPN, but I agreed that it was reasonable to consider competitions as sporting events. I mean you can do it recreationally, as most people do, or you could take it to competition level, but people only do certain types of it in competition. So I guess more or less the arguement is the same.
I have competed in both, for what its worth, but I don't exactly consider myself an "athlete" per se.
Henaki
02-20-2007, 03:11 PM
skateboarding would be an uncontested sport if it had much more clearly defined rules other than judges imo. it's physically demanding but it's goals are "look cooler than the other dude" and the rules kind of fluctuate from competition to competition because humans are judging it, and not preventing rule breaking instead.
magic the gathering isn't a sport but neither is poker really, they are card games, which are still reasonably competitive.
this is entirely by my definition though.
angryliberal
02-20-2007, 03:18 PM
yes, but is thread necromancy a sport?
Jion_Wansu
02-20-2007, 03:20 PM
High Level gaming has to have a stable mind, hand coordination, some nerves when under pressure, timing, among other things. All I have to say is if bowling and/or competitive eating is a sport then gaming should be one too. What do you all think?
Yeah it should be mainstream like Pride & Ultimate Fighting.
Rufus
02-20-2007, 03:24 PM
skateboarding would be an uncontested sport if it had much more clearly defined rules other than judges imo. it's physically demanding but it's goals are "look cooler than the other dude" and the rules kind of fluctuate from competition to competition because humans are judging it, and not preventing rule breaking instead.
Just in the winter olympics we have figure skating, ice dancing, snowboard half pipe, acrobatic ski-jump, and distance ski-jump has style points for no good reason at all.
{PFH}-Lake
02-20-2007, 03:25 PM
I think so, I would rather watch people play SCBW and WoW bg then sports on tv. I remember years ago they had MTG on espn 2, the last match was academy vs academy.
mr. newbie
02-20-2007, 03:29 PM
Nowadays, anything can be a sport. Hell, eating hot dogs is.
kobiyashi(sp?) is one hell of an athlete.
Henaki
02-20-2007, 05:22 PM
Just in the winter olympics we have figure skating, ice dancing, snowboard half pipe, acrobatic ski-jump, and distance ski-jump has style points for no good reason at all.
notice how none of these are very "mainstream" which illustrates my point
pherai
02-20-2007, 05:42 PM
Whether or not competitive gaming is considered a sport is kind of worthless. Being considered a sport =/= having respect, which is the real important question. The definition of what is a sport is so loosely defined that virtually any activity can be a sport. It doesn't even matter of its inherently competitive. Anyone can all anything they want a sport, and it doesn't really change the state of any activity, no matter how physical, or how popular, or how respected it already is. I think a better question is "Should competitive gaming have the same respect mainstream sports recieve?"
On a tangent, I think they should limit what is considered a sport to things with quantitative measures of how skilled you are, so an absolute winner can be determined. There are a lot of things in life that are physically taxing, but we can't consider them all a sport. Are you participating in a sport when you are working in construction? Why is figure skating more a sport than construction?
XZalla
02-20-2007, 09:31 PM
Sport - an active diversion requiring physical exertion and competition
You move your fingers very fast. The Wii is out making you do hand motions and other various routines.
Everyone loves some competiton. I agree to a certain extent!
Rufus
02-20-2007, 10:13 PM
notice how none of these are very "mainstream" which illustrates my point
I'm not sure what you mean by 'mainstream'. Ice Skating is the most publicised event in the winter olympics.
Wobbles
02-20-2007, 10:54 PM
A decent definition of sports would be nice to continue the discussion, wouldn't it?
Are fighting games competitive? They can definitely be played as such.
Does it require a degree of physical acuity? Rather than focusing on strength, speed (discounting finger speed), flexibility, aerobic stamina, etc., it focuses on timing and precise motor control. Being healthy certainly helps your performance, as it lets you maintain focus and high-energy levels during a competition, but the focus definitely lies in precision.
Does it allow for mental activity and competition? Definitely. The ability to outthink an opponent during a match is one of the necessary skills for a competitive fighting game player. Again, being in shape helps this aspect. And it's incredibly challenging to outthink an opponent while spacing moves and trying to maintain a high standard of technical ability.
You will find that, apart from a different physical focus, competitive games have just about all the same components of traditional sports. Etiquette, teamplay (sometimes), custom, sportsmanship, training, mental fortitude, determination, focus... all of these are as big a part of the competitive game as the programming itself.
The problem we're encountering is that classifying something as a "sport" gives it a certain degree of prestige that most of us would really like gaming to have. The heart of this issue is how competitive videogaming is viewed by the public.
I know I would really like it if people said, "Wow, that guy sure is skilled" rather than calling me a loser with no time on my hands. The problem is that a lot of those people don't understand how fulfilling it can be to compete and improve in this arena, and--when you have an idea of what's going on--how exciting it can be to watch these sorts of games played at their top level.
Rather than get bent out of shape over how the games are classified, the bigger issue is attracting positive attention to their competitive scenes.
I don't know about calling them sports, because people can barely agree on what a sport is. Most of us just sort of say "I know them when I see them." I would, in my happy fantasy dream world, just like games and pro gamers to be respected on the same level that traditional sports and their top athletes are. I would also like to be able to make money playing them competitively, but I fear that's a long way off (if it ever even happens).
b00mshakalaka
09-05-2007, 03:07 PM
Id consider competitive gaming to be a sport,especially with all of the tournaments and leagues for example:
www.gotfrag.com
EVO (duh)
MLG(major league gaming)
WCG(world cyber games an olympics for e-sports)
WSVG(world series of video games)
ESWC(electronic sports world cup)
Intel sponsers many professional gaming events almost every month
there are many more you should really see the professional starcraft scene in Korea
also this is really big in europe
-did you know that professional gaming was a nominee for the next olympics?! but it got turned down over professional bridge :sad:
b00mshakalaka
09-05-2007, 03:21 PM
Also what I think America lacks in pro-gaming is publicity especially tv coverage.
beatsofdevil
09-05-2007, 03:26 PM
Pump it Up=Sport
World Pump Festival is coming up. where teams from different countries compete against each other, for money, in freestlye/speed tournaments. Highly Physical.
Video Games like that are the only ones to count as a sport.
It is not what we think that defines if it is a sport or not. Before I continue, I'll say that we has been debating this issue from years in my country, and I got some info from what couldn't be better to define a sport: College and Books.
To be considered as sport, videogames needs just some few steps from where we are now.
Sport are something well drawn, with rules and federations, and most important of all, a world federation that defines rules and other issues for its sport. Chess has a world federation, Tae-kwon Do has, Soccer has... But games comes with their rules from the industry, already made, we just play them. So we don't actually need this kind of federation. But, in he other hand, games are configurable, so we must find a default configuration that fits to us all and avoid the "japanese" to "american" differences in ports, to get in a consent.
The best ways to define "default" are:
1- Use the game defaults.
2-If any configuration is needed (i.e. Super Turbo cause we all like it faster), lets just follow EVO or any other great example (WCG, ESWC...).
Finally, what can we do to define games as sport or not? The answer is kinda obvious, fellas... PLAYING! Supporting tourneys and alike.
Who must define whether it is a sport or not beside us, the gamers? Who knows videogames better than us? If we say its a sport, so IT WILL BE A SPORT. If we spread its benefits and advantages, we can get lots of acceptance from "ignorants"(people who not play) to our "cause", so we can get some advantages from it, like a competitive game channel, like (imagine)"ESPN e-sport", more money, sponsors and prizes, more events under specialized (this word is important!) midia coverage and etc. Recognition or acceptance from your older cousin is not so important as sponsors and prizes, lets say the straight truth, right?!
Just to draw some points for latter discussion, games are: Including, so if you are handicapped, you can still play, if you are fat, you can play (and win several evos, right, Justin Wong?), if you are tiny, ugly, gay... you can play and win. Games are cheapper to practice than other sports like, lets say, Tennis, Formule 1... and it takes less time to practice and learn that other that takes the whole life, and this means less money, so it is twice including when compared to other sports... And one important advantage in fighting games is that you cant take a fu**ng shoshosho, PTF, and ROM... you still don't get even a scratch or a bruise.
Continuing whith the advantages, people who play games learn other languages (if you understand me, it is thanks to games). Gamers are more intelligent and well prepared for market than others, says the book "Got Game?" from harvard (I can bring the references latter if someone wish). And other stuff.
Well, I'll finish it here cause I don´t have more time to write more than this.
Thanks to anyone who read this.
beatsofdevil
09-05-2007, 04:53 PM
That's all good and all (it really is, not being sarcastic)
But it should just be called competative gaming. Sports is way past the line and I'm sure the term won't be accepted. As I said the only video games that can be called sports are the physical ones akin to DDR/PIU.
though I'd take DDR out because it doesn't have quite a big worldwide sporting event similar to soccer that Pump it Up does.
But fighting games=competative gaming.
imo
Kyokuji
09-05-2007, 06:17 PM
If poker is a sport now, I'd say gaming should be. Part of the reason why stuff like card games get more respect is because they've been around for hundreds of years.
That's all good and all (it really is, not being sarcastic)
But it should just be called competative gaming. Sports is way past the line and I'm sure the term won't be accepted. As I said the only video games that can be called sports are the physical ones akin to DDR/PIU.
though I'd take DDR out because it doesn't have quite a big worldwide sporting event similar to soccer that Pump it Up does.
But fighting games=competative gaming.
imo
That all I was talking about.
The term Sport doesn´t mean muscular use. You can see it by looking what is accepted as sport.
Chess is the better example, the muscular stress is minimal, however, the brain usage is absurd. The same goes with games: Little efforts with hands and eyes, but high use of energy by the brain.
Looking by this side, games are sports or at least more specific to be called E-sport. Nothing can stop the use of E-sport, for it is a new word and if we use it, nobody will stop us.
Because the term Sport allows flexibility, it allows game to be one, however imo it is better to be called E-sport.
Just to remember, for games be considered officially in the definition as sport, it is just lacking local federations and a world federation. Believe me, I have been searching this in books.
Dhalsimowns
09-06-2007, 01:53 PM
No, professional gaming should be considered professional gaming.
Anything that doesnt require the use of your legs is not a sport.
(sshh ddr people, it isnt a sport either)
Thats why the word "game" exists, and why the word "sport" exists.
Theres a difference between the two.
And why have "video games" been called such since the beggining of whenever?
Why not "video sports" ? Its because they are games.
SuicidalGrandpa
09-06-2007, 02:04 PM
*ahem*
MLG
*cough*
Korea
This! Read this.
gouki10
09-06-2007, 02:05 PM
To me, the term Sport has to do with a balance between Mental, and Physical usage.
I consider Games like Basketball, Football, Tennis, Soccer Sports.
Chess, and FGes or FPSes are more Strategical than Physical.
So to me there has to be these 3 elements in it. 1) when practicing or Playing, you work up a Sweat(i mean Real Sweat, not that it's hot, and you need some AC.)
2. There has to be Strategy(i don't consider Weight Lifting a Sport because there is no Mental strategy in it, unless you wanna say "ok i suck at this Lift, so i'll i won't force it too much, and wait for my lift of expertise.)
3. There has to Be Hand eye coordination, Real hand eye coordination. FPS, and Fgs have 2, and 3, but i've never seen someone say"I gotta go Jog to build up my endurance For Marvel"
shoultzula
09-06-2007, 02:48 PM
chess, pool, darts are considered past times which is just a good word for half a sport and you can probably lump street fighter\ fighters in general into the same category.
I used to shoot pool daily for a few years and I can tell you that it takes quite a bit of time to form a rythm to your stroke. A good, smooth, confident stroke allows you to hit the ball with variable amounts of english and speed which is how you control the que ball. Its not something you can pick up in one day and is only acquired through knowledge of the game and practice.
Its the same essentially for street fighter. You have to practice your execution in order to moves on command and mastering those basics only comes in time.
you can't call it a sport because of its limited physical activity but it could be a considered a past time or w\e it needs to dubbed as.
n8archer_XI
09-06-2007, 03:01 PM
Why does it need to be a sport when it's already a respectable career?
To me, the term Sport has to do with a balance between Mental, and Physical usage.
I consider Games like Basketball, Football, Tennis, Soccer Sports.
Chess, and FGes or FPSes are more Strategical than Physical.
So to me there has to be these 3 elements in it. 1) when practicing or Playing, you work up a Sweat(i mean Real Sweat, not that it's hot, and you need some AC.)
2. There has to be Strategy(i don't consider Weight Lifting a Sport because there is no Mental strategy in it, unless you wanna say "ok i suck at this Lift, so i'll i won't force it too much, and wait for my lift of expertise.)
3. There has to Be Hand eye coordination, Real hand eye coordination. FPS, and Fgs have 2, and 3, but i've never seen someone say"I gotta go Jog to build up my endurance For Marvel"
i agree.
if some people want competitive fighting games to be called "sports" just for the respect value, they should just pick up a sport. start running, go to the gym, join a local ball team, etc. but most of these people don't, since they'd much rather take the easy/lazy route, which is to sit on their asses and stare at a flickering screen while pressing buttons.
don't get me wrong, i love playing fighting games as much as the rest of you do. but i think people should know where to draw the line.
gaming is a "geeky" activity no matter how mainstream it becomes.
if you want things to be otherwise for yourself, do something else... which in this case is start participating in actual physical activities considered as sports.
Kayin
09-06-2007, 04:40 PM
Trying to call gaming a sport is a gross overstatement no matter how you look at it. I'm not gonna oversimplify it by saying it's sitting if your ass at a flickering screen while pressing buttons, because it still requires skill, just different kinds of skill. It's like comparing Chess to Football, Chess doesn't require any physical activity but it's still a widely accepted competitive game because of the amount of skill and strategy required to play it.
All sports are games, but not all games are sports. But just because there's nothing physical (save for execution, which can at times be demanding) doesn't mean there isn't any skill involved.
i didn't say there isn't any skill involved, but if i had to compare sitting for 3 hours practicing combos and going on a 5 mile run (~35 minutes)... i'd say the run is at least ten times more exhausting physically as well as mentally.
i love both, but i just can't compare them on equal grounds.
if people seriously think that becoming dominant at video game do take as much effort as becoming dominant as sports, evo would be getting the same bill as the olympics, super bowl, etc.
Kayin
09-06-2007, 04:49 PM
You're right, you can't compare them on equal grounds, because they're nothing alike.
Apples and oranges~
CoolWater
09-06-2007, 05:56 PM
nope,
we should encoruage kids to study, not spend all day playing videogames in some vain attempt to make a living out of it
Study what? Most kids are too interested in fast food and the M-TV and the Homosexual sex to be focused anyway. There's too much of a risk that NOT sitting down for three minutes might somehow prevent the rediculous amount of useless narcotics strewn out on the market from taking whatever manufactured effect they are meant to.
Playing video games for money shouldnt have any more draw than playing poker for money. If entertainers/ sports players recieved a RATIONAL amount of payment, maybe kids would think "HEY, maybe if I used my brain I could be constructive to society rather than arrested for statutory rape (KOBE BRYANT)"
Master Bigode
09-06-2007, 06:48 PM
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What an evil bump.
pherai
09-06-2007, 08:28 PM
All sports are games, but not all games are sports. But just because there's nothing physical (save for execution, which can at times be demanding) doesn't mean there isn't any skill involved.
Oh? Gymnastics is a game? Pole Vault is a game? Swimming is a game? The term sport is so subjective, it's almost meaningless.
You all are confusing sport with health promotion.
Without competition, sweat is not any sport, it is just called "Health Promotion".
Sports involves competition, not hot bodies or physical efforts.
I´m telling you, I have been researching this in books and talking to college teachers to see their opinions. You can say "ok, but I think that it is not", but they say "yes, it can be", all that lack are federations, read page 3 for more info.
There is no better person to define Sport than sport scientists. At least they are better than novel writers or language scientists, cause the dictionary itself is static - sometimes takes years and editions to incorporate new usage o words - and reflect the common sense definition, not the specific deep definition, as specialized books do.
But it is better to be called E-sport, for a better definition cause it needs a interaction man-machine. Just like Formula 1 or Horse ridding (man-animal) sports.
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