EA vs Marvel

[platinum_pinoy]

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/marvelvsea/preview_6120397.html?q=1&tag=gs_hp_topslot_click

It sucks to be me if this is already posted....

[Seerd]

To summarize 2 pages of PR junk:

3D: Yes
Online: Yes
Simple: Yes
Jermaine O'Neal Buster Wolf Assist: No

[redbull984]

they destroyed marvel vs fighting as we know it, basically it will be another mutant academy but with nicer graphics end of story.

[ChaosNightWolf]

WTF OMFG BBQ. I FUCKIN SWEAR.

Ugh no more good fighting games as we know it. This shit better be on some tekken crap or Im blowing up marvel and EA

[randomgamer]

hopefully, it will be good, but it will probably turn out to be a pile of crap, Mortal Kombat and DoA 3d style.

[DragonSama]

Well if Marvel was not dead before this will kill it for sure. RIP Marvel we knew ye well :sad:

[Liquid Twilight]

Afrter reading so much crap and hearing they get inspiration from SSBM I started to cry piece of crap. Who knows maybe it be good but for some reason I know this game will be masher friendly and broken like hell. Maybe it be a fun game but tourney worthy no.

[red_plague]

If it's that trashy, we should just let 'em know by not buying it, and sending out petitions. Capcom>EA (sorta...)

[Hunter D]

This game sounds like Def Jam vendetta with marvel skins.

[lith]

Capcom has done better work with the Marvel license than all other companies combined. I'd strongly argue the Marvel and vs series are the finest uses of licenses ever. To see this license slip into the hands of EA is just disgusting.

Never get MvC3
Never get MSH2
:sad:

[Ryu_311Funk]

i want to find the first infinite to exploit online :D

[Geese Pants]

Should've stayed with Capcom, Marvel...........

[Duck Strong]

^^Heh I thought I was the only nut who wanted a sequel to MSH. Despite its complete and utter brokenness, it's my favorite Marvel game.

[blackadde]

This is going to sell shitloads.

[bowiegranap]

Sadly, true. I'm willing to bet that it'll be one of the biggest seelling fighting games of all time.

[UltraDavid]

Well I called at least a couple of the characters, I guess. Obviously Spidey and Wolverine, but the others they show here are Elektra and the Thing; Elektra had her own movie recently and the Thing will be in the Fantastic Four's movie whenever it's coming out. So it looks like it'll just be characters that have had their own movies lately.

I'm sure it'll suck, but no doubt, it'll sell like hot cakes.

December 2005 (or whenever this game is coming out) version of IGN: Best fighting game 3v4h! The button mashing days of Street Fighter are over! Here comes Marvel vs EA! 9.5/10! (If anyone remembers what they wrote when Soul Calibur 2 came out)

[_MJ_#R]

DA: I am a huge fan of the Capcom games, and we definitely played all of them as part of our research. The team used what it learned from these other games as a foundation that it evolved from. This is really the next generation of fighting games.


lets hope...

[BB Hood]

The games graphics are superb!! It looks better than T5...We can just hope. They better make it available in the arcades:)

[y45hiro]

r they gonna but characters from Def Jam ? coz it would be so cool seeing thanos teaming up with method man

[Altron]

I hope no one even buys this. Even for the sake of having one of the shittiest fighting games out there.

[10x]

DA: We have developed a fight system that will enable you to feel like a superhero almost immediately.OMGZ! :rock: :nunchuck: :rock:

[4neqs]

Jermaine O'Neal Buster Wolf Assist: No

Fuck. >:(

[D.HYO]

This game better be one the same level as Tekken 5.

[Sacr3D]

this game wont even be close to tekken 5. Ill say this again fuck you EA!!

[Infested Jester]

GS: Where did you turn for inspiration?

DA: This team is full of comic nuts AND FIGHTING GAME EXPERTS. We looked at just about every fighting game you can imagine for inspiration.


Yuh huh. :rolleyes:

[inkblot]

You people are fuckin WHINERS. Let's review the article, shall we?

1) They're trying to make a game with, "a really deep and complex fight system."

2) The team played and used Capcom 2D fighting games (as well as other fighting games) as a foundation.

3) The screenshots graphically look, oh about 1 million times better than MvC2.

Unless you're a straight up 2D, versus-series bigot, there's very little in that article to be negative about. Oops, I forgot who I was talking to. Just admit it, nothing short of 2D, MvC3 by Capcom will make you happy. If you don't like the new order, you should blame CAPCOM for their tired ass pixelated dinosaurs, not Marvel or EA.

Imagine you're a marketing exec at Marvel, and EA shows you the two screenshots in the article, and says their game will be developed by the same team that did the Def Jam games, which by the way sold MORE copies than the Vs series. It's no contest.

Don't tell me it Vs. games play better. No one making the decisions give a shit. This game will probably outsell the entire Vs. series combined, so for EVERYONE along the pipeline (EA, Marvel, game stores, non 2D fighting game bigots) this is a slam dunk.

[10x]

You people are fuckin WHINERS. Let's review the article, shall we?

1) They're trying to make a game with, "a really deep and complex fight system."

2) The team played and used Capcom 2D fighting games (as well as other fighting games) as a foundation.

3) The screenshots graphically look, oh about 1 million times better than MvC2.

Unless you're a straight up 2D, versus-series bigot, there's very little in that article to be negative about. Oops, I forgot who I was talking to. Just admit it, nothing short of 2D, MvC3 by Capcom will make you happy. If you don't like the new order, you should blame CAPCOM for their tired ass pixelated dinosaurs, not Marvel or EA.

Imagine you're a marketing exec at Marvel, and EA shows you the two screenshots in the article, and says their game will be developed by the same team that did the Def Jam games, which by the way sold MORE copies than the Vs series. It's no contest.

Don't tell me it Vs. games play better. No one making the decisions give a shit. This game will probably outsell the entire Vs. series combined, so for EVERYONE along the pipeline (EA, Marvel, game stores, non 2D fighting game bigots) this is a slam dunk. When it comes to fighting games, i don't give two shits and a fuck about the market execs and i certainly don't give a fuck about anybody making a "slam dunk" in the sales world.

No but seriously, why the fuck would I want somebody who worked on the Def Jam series handling a good series like Marvel? Def Jam and wrestling games in general blow.

Siding with Marketing Execs (which comprises about 90% of EA) is fucking :lame:

[inkblot]

When it comes to fighting games, i don't give two shits and a fuck about the market execs and i certainly don't give a fuck about anybody making a "slam dunk" in the sales world.

No but seriously, why the fuck would I want somebody who worked on the Def Jam series handling a good series like Marvel? Def Jam and wrestling games in general blow.

Siding with Marketing Execs (which comprises about 90% of EA) is fucking :lame:

Thank you for missing the entire point of my post.

Blaming Marvel or EA for reaching out and grabbing the big bag of money that's on the table is dumb. You should be blaming Capcom for producing games that don't appeal to the mass market, and therefore sell like crap.

If MvC2 was a million unit seller (ahem, like DOA), do you think they would have lost their Marvel license? Do you think EA and Activision would even have a shot at that license? Hell no, because Capcom could say, "look we know fighting games like no other, and you're making bank with us. Going to EA is a big risk for you." But instead, Capcom kept making crappy-looking CPS2-quality fighters that don't appeal to the mass market (with things like nice graphics), which opened the door for these guys, because hey, the Vs. series wasn't making Marvel any money.

I mean, come on. Activision has a piece of the Marvel license now. Activision? Not exactly a powerhouse in the world of gaming.

[platinum_pinoy]

Thank you for missing the entire point of my post.

Blaming Marvel or EA for reaching out and grabbing the big bag of money that's on the table is dumb. You should be blaming Capcom for producing games that don't appeal to the mass market, and therefore sell like crap.

If MvC2 was a million unit seller (ahem, like DOA), do you think they would have lost their Marvel license? Do you think EA and Activision would even have a shot at that license? Hell no, because Capcom could say, "look we know fighting games like no other, and you're making bank with us. Going to EA is a big risk for you." But instead, Capcom kept making crappy-looking CPS2-quality fighters that don't appeal to the mass market (with things like nice graphics), which opened the door for these guys, because hey, the Vs. series wasn't making Marvel any money.

I mean, come on. Activision has a piece of the Marvel license now. Activision? Not exactly a powerhouse in the world of gaming.


Coming from EA, people should anticipate a fairly decent game. As I had stated before, they are the biggest vid game company and has probably a lot of money to throw around. Considering this is a Marvel title, they'll try to make this one hell of a game for all people to play (and not to mention, profit off of). Yeah, they may not have the resources to develop a fighting engine, but they have the money to buy the people who have the know-how.

[Sano]

I try not to pass judgement on anything before I play it. Still, I wished they would of just made Marvel Heroes vs. Marvel villains or Marvel vs. DC. EA making up their own heroes is really -

:lame:

- but who knows.

[GraffitiSoldier]

To tell you fools the truth, I REALLY wanted a 2D fighter out of this. Oh well, I should of seen it coming. 2D is dying little by little guys, the party is over....its time to go home. :sad: :sad: :sad:

[TFGM]

Don't tell me it Vs. games play better. No one making the decisions give a shit. This game will probably outsell the entire Vs. series combined, so for EVERYONE along the pipeline (EA, Marvel, game stores, non 2D fighting game bigots) this is a slam dunk.

~Born to Play~

As expected by the industry. There is a communication barrier between the industry and community that creates these problems, and I would like to take the time to review this with those that are interested. There is nothing wrong with change, and there is nothing wrong with tradition, however too much or too little of both is neither good. Gamers of old have not come to grasp with what this industry is about, although it has been shown to them time and time again. Look, these business men do not give a crap about what you think, all you are to them are customers. They do not care about how you like the game, they just want your money. At the sametime, you have the power to decide where this industry goes, because your buying dollar is what fuels this industry. They can only make what will be bought. So you have to ask yourself something. People say they hate Nintendo and the Pokemon BS, yet Pokemon has outsold every game in franchize history. So what do you expect Nintendo to do? The obvious of course. Now the game must be good for so many to purchase the game. So you can not complain.

However I understand where you guys are coming from as you are worried if they will destroy the game by changing what you are use to. You have the right to feel that way however you must brave this road or better and more evolved styles of gaming will not surface. Look at it like this, if the game sucks, then do not support it. The Companies will have no choice but to change direction towards the dollar, and the dollar is us. Its rather that simple. What I don't agree with however is the business aspect of their decisions. We are not business men, we are gamers and they must understand that "marketing strategy" do not mean crap to a gamer. A more sound and practical explination must be brought to a gamers attention. If they are not educated as to "WHY" so they can "COMPREHEND" or "UNDERSTAND" the reasons as to why decision are made, of course they are going to complain. Calling them bigots after they play the one game that LEADS this community is kind of messed up. From what I know, Marvel has been the #1 game for most of the events and the number one game being played in the US in terms of the 2D fighting community. I don't know the comparisons vs 3D. However my point is "Old school veterans / Leaders of the gaming communities around the world" should take the time to teach their communities so that they can learn.

I've learned from several gaming sites that raw blasting does not help regardless of who you are and what you do for whatever community. Gamers...both 2D and 3D, you must understand, that change and tradition work best when they are hand in hand, and binds the very fabric of the culture of gaming and its communities. Look not at who sucks because they will not evolve or who is a sell out for those that give up on the old, but understand that we all must grow and evolve but never forget our origins. It is time that 2D fighting games needs to evolve, at the same time keeping some 2D elements will add a deep and enriching flavor to the game. At least give the game a chance and see what happens. Beside Capcom did show their disinterest, making CFJ so you must understand they are only trying to bring something fresh and good to the scene. Look at Namco, their actually putting something towards trying to save the fighting Arcade, with T5. Just give it a chance.

P.S. Marketing execs....are full of it. You and I both know this. This is only about money....thus making all points completely irrelivant. #1 Reaon why I dislike fighting games, and do not support them. I'll support the community because it gathers gamers together to enjoy themselves and be entertained and is very enriching to the culture but that it about it. I won't give a dollar towards the "PURCHASE" of fighting game. Business men.... :tdown:

[Time_Stop]

Sounds and looks better than CFJ.

[Gief_100proof]

You people are fuckin WHINERS. Let's review the article, shall we?

1) They're trying to make a game with, "a really deep and complex fight system."

2) The team played and used Capcom 2D fighting games (as well as other fighting games) as a foundation.

3) The screenshots graphically look, oh about 1 million times better than MvC2.

Unless you're a straight up 2D, versus-series bigot, there's very little in that article to be negative about. Oops, I forgot who I was talking to. Just admit it, nothing short of 2D, MvC3 by Capcom will make you happy. If you don't like the new order, you should blame CAPCOM for their tired ass pixelated dinosaurs, not Marvel or EA.

Imagine you're a marketing exec at Marvel, and EA shows you the two screenshots in the article, and says their game will be developed by the same team that did the Def Jam games, which by the way sold MORE copies than the Vs series. It's no contest.

Don't tell me it Vs. games play better. No one making the decisions give a shit. This game will probably outsell the entire Vs. series combined, so for EVERYONE along the pipeline (EA, Marvel, game stores, non 2D fighting game bigots) this is a slam dunk.While I understand your point, Ink, and agree that Marvel made the correct decision financially by ditching Capcom (who doesn't seem to be at all interested in making fighting games anymore anyway) and signing up with EA (who might as well have their own mint at this point), it doesn't change the fact that the game(s) that come(s) out of this deal will not be even remotely interesting to the people of this community (competitive fighting game fans).

While it's all fine and good to hold out hope and talk about "giving it a chance", this is EA we're talking about. EA makes games the way Stephen Sommers makes movies: they're glossy, market-friendly entertainment, but they're ultimately soulless, empty experiences that make a ton of money and aren't remembered past the year they were made. There's nothing wrong with that from a business standpoint, but for those of us who expect more than just smooth textures and "OMG Spider-man vs. Hero Stereotype #7!!", it leaves a lot to be desired. Who knows... maybe the poor EA wage-slaves will surprise us. However, I'm not putting any money on that happening.... and I certainly wouldn't be encouraged or discouraged by what some bobble-headed yes-man said in a fluff piece.

On a related note, it seems that you and the rest of the SRK crew only seem to come on here these days to defend yourselves or call the people of this community idiots and bigots. While I would tend to agree that most of the people here are just that (hard to blame them... most of them are just foolish kids who don't know any better), it makes me wonder how long it's going to be before you guys just throw up your hands and say "enough". Here's to hoping it's not any time soon.

[SynikaL]

lol. Look how doctored up those screens are. I'll put money on the game not looking even half that good on release.



-Syn

[lith]

Blaming Marvel or EA for reaching out and grabbing the big bag of money that's on the table is dumb. You should be blaming Capcom for producing games that don't appeal to the mass market, and therefore sell like crap.

So what, EA's making money. I could care less about EA, their bottom line, their stockholders, and same with Marvel. I do care about enjoying good quality fighting games. In this context, that is all I care about. Will EA make a high quality Marvel fighter? I suppose it's possible. Do I already know I completely love Capcom's take on Marvel fighting? Absolutely. So would a new Marvel fighter from Capcom meet with better reception from me? Of course.

Why should I give a rat's ass about the business end of this? I'm not a businessman. I have no EA or Marvel stock. I'm a gamer. I want to play good games. That's all there is to it.

[PokApoCaLyPsE]

Yup...looks like Sammy is becoming the only company with a promising future for 2d fighters :clap:

[Time_Stop]

So what, EA's making money. I could care less about EA, their bottom line, their stockholders, and same with Marvel. I do care about enjoying good quality fighting games. In this context, that is all I care about. Will EA make a high quality Marvel fighter? I suppose it's possible. Do I already know I completely love Capcom's take on Marvel fighting? Absolutely. So would a new Marvel fighter from Capcom meet with better reception from me? Of course.

Why should I give a rat's ass about the business end of this? I'm not a businessman. I have no EA or Marvel stock. I'm a gamer. I want to play good games. That's all there is to it.

What makes you think Capcom doesn´t make games for the money? What makes you think Capcom wouldn´t make a shitty game out of this? What makes you think it would be better than EA´s version? Capcom Fighting Jam?

[lith]

What makes you think Capcom doesn´t make games for the money? What makes you think Capcom wouldn´t make a shitty game out of this? What makes you think it would be better than EA´s version? Capcom Fighting Jam?

Track record. Looking over both companies' libraries, I enjoy far far far more Capcom games than I do EA. When you limit that to fighting and fighting-like games (such as wrestling), then there isn't a single EA game I like and numerous Capcom ones. Why wouldn't I draw on the company's history to help decide interest?

Capcom has got the versus engine well established. They could cookie cutter the shit out of MvC3 and I'd bet serious cash it'd still be an enjoyable, decent game.

[D.HYO]

I actually think it will be good. I don't even want it to be like tekken5 anymore because it is time for something new. I'll give it a chance.

[platinum_pinoy]

Honestly, I can't for our generation to become directors and developers of major game companies so they can shell out what we want. Hopefully, they can make it across the notion of big bucks as the end to define the mean.

[archetype]

Capcom has got the versus engine well established. They could cookie cutter the shit out of MvC3 and I'd bet serious cash it'd still be an enjoyable, decent game.

By decent do you mean untested, unbalanced, with 10+ year old sprites and an archaic graphics engine. Face it the days of 2d fighting is done. With the shit that capcom pulled with cfj who would play a cookie cutter mvc3? Oh wait nevermind, the 0.00001% percent of people in the us that still plays mvc2 competitively would murder their parents for that game with no hesitation. It would be retarded for EA to make this a 2d game. I know that shit wouldn't sell 3d is the future might not want to be what people want to hear but its the truth.

peace

Sav

[polarity]

Honestly, I can't for our generation to become directors and developers of major game companies so they can shell out what we want. Hopefully, they can make it across the notion of big bucks as the end to define the mean.

you're way too naive and idealistic if you actually think this has any chance of happening. the kind of people that will make it into those positions are the ones who will always go for the biggest profit. sorry.

[lith]

By decent do you mean untested, unbalanced, with 10+ year old sprites and an archaic graphics engine. Face it the days of 2d fighting is done. With the shit that capcom pulled with cfj who would play a cookie cutter mvc3? Oh wait nevermind, the 0.00001% percent of people in the us that still plays mvc2 competitively would murder their parents for that game with no hesitation. It would be retarded for EA to make this a 2d game. I know that shit wouldn't sell 3d is the future might not want to be what people want to hear but its the truth.



Why do I care if this game sells even one copy? I don't. I merely care about playing games I enjoy. If this is one, great. If not, oh well. The amount of money EA makes off this game does not affect me in the slightest.

[inkblot]

Why do I care if this game sells even one copy? I don't. I merely care about playing games I enjoy. If this is one, great. If not, oh well. The amount of money EA makes off this game does not affect me in the slightest.

What an incredibly short-sighted statement. Did the amount of money made by XSF, MvC1, and MvC2 effect you? It sure as shit did, because now you're not playing MvC3 made by Capcom.

If you're a casual gamer and play all kinds of games, then this isn't a big deal; you go play something else. But if you're a hardcore competitive player who's invested in a particular gaming series (cough, most of this board), then the financial success of the franchise directly effects your gaming experience.

The sentiments in this thread show that most people here don't get it. It's not Marvel or EA's fault that you're never ever EVER going to see another Vs game with Marvel characters. It's Capcom's fault.

[lith]

The sentiments in this thread show that most people here don't get it. It's not Marvel or EA's fault that you're never ever EVER going to see another Vs game with Marvel characters. It's Capcom's fault.

Of course it is. I guess I found that so obvious it wasn't worth talking about.

And you're right, the amount of money a game makes does effect me.

[albert_c]

Where did they get their inspiration from? Get the fuck out of here EA. Do you guys think anyone will play this shitty game in a tournament?

[gguseila]

If it gets good reviews from nonfanboys on this site ill get it.

[peas10]

are there actual screens anywhere or just these concept art ones

[Rock2k1]

will suck, but look cool.

[4neqs]

On a more serious note though, I'm willing to give this a chance, Jermaine O' Neal assist or not. And while I like CFJ a little bit, Time_stop's right this time. As a fighting game fan I just need something new.

Then again, I haven't played this Mutant Academy or the Def Jam games that you guys speak of

[archetype]

Where did they get their inspiration from? Get the fuck out of here EA. Do you guys think anyone will play this shitty game in a tournament?

I don't think any company makes a fighting game purely on the basis for tournament play or that they even think about that when making the game. What capcom made SF2 they didn't think people would actually run tournaments off it. Actually that question can be applied to a lot of games, off the top of my head I think of cfj or svc.

peace

Sav

[Pimp Willy]

I wanted to bring up another interesting point.

I'm willing to bet at LEAST 50% of the people on here saying "I just want a good game, I dont care how much money the company makes. MvC2 for life." etc are the same people downloading copies of their game. While the members of this board make up the majority of the people PLAYING the game, they're making up a very small minority of people buying it.

With 30,000 people on these forums, if we were all legitely purchasing the games as new copies from video game stores, then we would make up a niche worth paying attention to. As it is, we're purchasing maybe 10,000 copies of the game (rough estimate), which is almost nothing compared to the hundreds of thousands the game will sell.

So, us "hardcore" players are a niche market that is not worth paying attention to.

[4neqs]

That's the long and short of it

[10x]

SNK is still around...

[Wellman]

I am actually interested in how they are going to approach the gameplay. There is no doubt this will not be a Vs. game but it is always interesting to see how people respond to different gameplay especially in the current generation.

Personally I never really liked how the Budokai series started out playing (I haven't played the last one) but I know there are some that do actually see it as deep. Let's face it unless it is either Sammy, SNK, a portable or possibily some special event game no 2D fighters will probably receive all that large of a push. The Fighting game market barely pulls in the same percentage of the common gamer it used to, the causal market (aka where the real cash is at) don't seem to interested in a balanced or complicated 2D game. They want 3D because 3D isn't the future it is the present.

More than likely like the last entry to the Def Jam series, Smash Bros, and I think Naruto games the controls will be simple and easy to perform cool stuff. Time and a good sit down will tell if they have found a way to make the simple control scheme they no doubt have planned for this game be something that could be enjoyable on a competitive stage.

[platinum_pinoy]

The GC Naruto games were pretty decent. Take that into consideration on how 3D could be a good medium for a new fighting game.

[Thongboy Bebop]

The Def Jam engine is really freaking good. It's just an upgrade of the old N64 Wrestlemania engine, which was pretty badass in the first place.

If they get the same team working on it, it might not suck complete arse.

N

[Kouga]

I actually see nothing wrong with the game so far. Well, except that I have little faith in EA.

You know, EA is pretty much the most hated game company and all, but it really wouldn't hurt to give them a chance, even if the only fighting game they've made was Shaq-fu. As such, we don't know if they're going to make a totally shitty game or not, whereas the other US fighting game maker, Midway, we pretty much know Ed Boon will fuck up the game since, you know, he's done it to EVERY Mortal Kombat made.

[ComboMasher]

I will give this game a chance. I just hope that they dont concentrate too much on the graphics & story line and lack on the gameplay. Online play is always a good thing, being a MvC2 fanboy who wanted MvC2 online, it is nice that this game will be online especially if it turns out to be good. I also hope the combo system will be along the lines of MvC2, xvsf, MSH etc.... and not like Tekken(punch, punch, kick, dash repeat) IMO the style of Tekken is too boring and slow.

[grandabx]

To tell you fools the truth, I REALLY wanted a 2D fighter out of this. Oh well, I should of seen it coming. 2D is dying little by little guys, the party is over....its time to go home. :sad: :sad: :sad:
The day 2D fighting ends I retire from fighting games.

[vansaykeo]

GS: Where did you turn for inspiration?

DA: This team is full of comic nuts and fighting game experts. We looked at just about every fighting game you can imagine for inspiration. We were also heavily influenced by the films and the new generation of comics. These characters are coming into the 21st century, and we wanted to ensure that the game reflected this. From a gameplay standpoint, we were inspired by Power Stone, Super Smash Bros., and War of the Monsters, as they introduced more free-form fight mechanics. We really believe, though, that we have come up with something very unique and truly innovative that will get people very excited.



Style > gameplay in EA.

[Higher-Jin]

What an incredibly short-sighted statement. Did the amount of money made by XSF, MvC1, and MvC2 effect you? It sure as shit did, because now you're not playing MvC3 made by Capcom.

If you're a casual gamer and play all kinds of games, then this isn't a big deal; you go play something else. But if you're a hardcore competitive player who's invested in a particular gaming series (cough, most of this board), then the financial success of the franchise directly effects your gaming experience.

The sentiments in this thread show that most people here don't get it. It's not Marvel or EA's fault that you're never ever EVER going to see another Vs game with Marvel characters. It's Capcom's fault.

The fact is that ea will probably make a crappy game that's only for profit.

Their fighting game experts probably consists of people that are beginners in every sense of the word.

They say they played capcom games but that's obviously not what they are basing their game off of, they are going for a more "free style" type thing they said so themselves.

Bottom line is, that Marvel 3 would've been better that's why there is hate from the community for this game i think and we all know EA and their profit over quality way of making games so why should we expect anythign that isn't a steaming pile of 3d shit?

Capcom may be a business first but they have improved the vs. system and it's no accident the games are as good as they are if anyone doesn't know about the built in "balances" in mvc2 you haven't looked deeply enough capcom made a genuine attempt to balance the game but face it a 56 character game with such a freestyle system is nigh impossible to balance.... you try making a fighting game of 8 characters and see how many times you have to go back and test and redo those characters. Keep in mind we are still finding stuff on marvel now how can you possibly expect a company to know about all the glitches when we ourselves are still uncovering more shit after 4+ years. I should also mention ST , if it was unbalanced there would be a singular tactic that would dominate the game completely but the game is obviously deeper than that and to my knowledge everyone is playable....... and even when the tier differences are small most people say that the smaller strenghts and weaknesses are magnified so how is anyone supposed to make a really balanced game? I know it's possible but i mean at least they tried and it takes alot of effort to balance a game in the face of hardcore competitive gamers.

Anyways, this game will probably suck ass because they probably have no clue what competitive gaming is much less how to make a game that thrives off that which is what fighting games tend to do. On top of this , they simply don't carem they are a business and only a business with little to no interest on quality of games from what I hear and that only means the game will only be crappier.

Fighting games are supposed to be competitive, if a game sucks and there is no competition not even the people who play for the "good graphics' will enjoy it. It will get repetitive and it will collect dust in 2-3 weeks.

[T-Kimura]

hmm.. the graphics look really sick. but the game will probably suck

[Sano]

While for the most part I'm trying to keep an open mind, I don't know about EA. They said they studied other fighters. Didn't they realize in their 'studies' that hardly anybody who plays MVC2 uses Rubyheart, Sonson and Amingo, AKA original characters? (There was a male Sonson in a previous Capcom game, but anyways...) And they are basing this game on Marvel vs. Original characters? It's not a good idea. They should of just created Marvel heroes vs Marvel Villains, created only three new characters they can spin off for their future Marvel Comics series to rake in that crossover money. Everyone would be happy. And so far, EA-Man AKA Bruce Wilis with a funky helmet is not that much better than Amingo. Especially when Marvel already has, I dunno, ELECTRO. And Doctor Doom will have electric powers in the FF movie...

Anyway, none of these factors can determine gameplay, that's what will make or break this IMHO. We'll see.

[FMJaguar]

They said they studied other fighters. Didn't they realize in their 'studies' that hardly anybody who plays MVC2 uses Rubyheart, Sonson and Amingo, AKA original characters? (There was a male Sonson in a previous Capcom game, but anyways...) And they are basing this game on Marvel vs. Original characters? It's not a good idea.

Did you consider that noone plays original characters that happen THAT ALSO SUCK IN THE GAME? If there was an original top tier character i'm sure things would be different?

They should of just created Marvel heroes vs Marvel Villains, created only three new characters they can spin off for their crossover.

Then anyone can make the same game, 3d engines are mostly not propritary so if EA has nothing that is their own, then there's no reason that any company couldn't have made the same game.

Anyway, none of these factors can determine gameplay, that's what will make or break this IMHO. We'll see.

Of course, just like VF4 and 3s!

Anyways, this game will probably suck ass because they probably have no clue what competitive gaming is much less how to make a game that thrives off that which is what fighting games tend to do.

I don't see where SRK posters have a clue about competitive gaming either. The difference in EA is that they can use thier money to actually find out and implement it into their game.

P.S. Marketing execs....are full of it. You and I both know this. This is only about money....thus making all points completely irrelivant. [...] I won't give a dollar towards the "PURCHASE" of fighting game. Business men....

If you make a lot of money playing games, your a good player. If your game makes a lot of money, its a bad game... that makes no sense to me.

On a related note, it seems that you and the rest of the SRK crew only seem to come on here these days to defend yourselves or call the people of this community idiots and bigots. While I would tend to agree that most of the people here are just that (hard to blame them... most of them are just foolish kids who don't know any better), it makes me wonder how long it's going to be before you guys just throw up your hands and say "enough". Here's to hoping it's not any time soon.

i've been asking that for years, but i know i get a lot more fustrated replying to SRK posts that i would if i just stayed hidden like i should. I wasted a lot of time today on posts that probably won't even be read all the way (my own fault for not being a good writer), and which will probably have little effect if at all in the long run.

Maybe if they were more active they would have quit sooner, and I need to learn their techniques for staying off of SRK but they won't tell me.

[Higher-Jin]

i've been asking that for years, but i know i get a lot more fustrated replying to SRK posts that i would if i just stayed hidden like i should. I wasted a lot of time today on posts that probably won't even be read all the way (my own fault for not being a good writer), and which will probably have little effect if at all in the long run.

Maybe if they were more active they would have quit sooner, and I need to learn their techniques for staying off of SRK but they won't tell me.

Is blair witch a good movie? Sure it put alot of butts into the seats but what is the major concensus? ....

Rip off.


Just cuz a game sells doesn't mean it's good, but yea just cuz a game sells doesn't mean it's bad either...

Fact is EA will probably make a crummy game, they have no experience in competitive gaming or making good fighting games (just look at their track record on games overall, i've heard few people come up with more than one game that they actually liked other then some mutant football game or something.... and we know they bought out the NFL contract after a rival company made a better game than theirs) and on top of that probably have no interest in making a game that's good.

and as far as SRKers not knowing anything about competitive gaming I don't think that's accurate. Since a large percentage go to tournaments and this whole site is dedicated around the idea of competitive gaming.

[rusbar]

how can anyone say that it's a fact that the ea marvel game will be crap when the game hasn't even been released yet?

bunch of whiners and haters

[Ghaleon]

Based on their track record and what they've said about the game so far, it's a no-brainer. CFJ was the same thing -- people said it would suck for months before its release, and OMG, no real surprises in what was delivered.

[Ken34]

^^Heh I thought I was the only nut who wanted a sequel to MSH. Despite its complete and utter brokenness, it's my favorite Marvel game.


I agree, I loved this game very much too, it is the only game i can actually win at steadily on mame, Mvc gets way too out of hand with those wolfy infinites and strider crap. even tho mvsh is broken as hell, with wolfy too, I can actually defend it a bit better. and plus the gameplay is a bit slower, much better.

[Higher-Jin]

how can anyone say that it's a fact that the ea marvel game will be crap when the game hasn't even been released yet?

bunch of whiners and haters

I said probably.

It's the equivalent of saying "Why is everyone so sure No-Name Joe won't make it to the finals of Mvc2" , sure we haven't seen him play but there is a 99% chance he will get whooped on because

a) he probably has little to no experience since we've never heard of him

b) we have no reason to believe otherwise

sure we don't know for SURE but odds are heavily against no name joe.

Now let's say we hear No name joe say or have reason to believe that he doesn't care about playing the game and is only in it to make a name for himself or the money.

It just gets easier and easier to forsee a fall and the odds are heavily against him being any good at all.

It's just probability, kinda like the fact that someone might break into your house and kill you for no reason... it's POSSIBLE but there is such a small chance of that happening especially since there is no motive.... so why should we believe that might happen?

Yea my analogies are a little out there but still my point still stands.

EA has never really made fighting games and probably don't even care about the genre.

Those are 2 major points that leads me to believe there is a high chance the game will suck especially when you look at all the other games they've made.

But i agree it's possible they might suprise us but then again i am biased and i do hope they fail, at least i did.... but now i'm thinking well capcom probably won't get the licence if they fail anyways so all i can hope for now is a decent game for someone out there to enjoy.

If you disagree with EA being a long shot i'd like to hear some reasons why you think they'd make a good game.

[FMJaguar]

Just cuz a game sells doesn't mean it's good, but yea just cuz a game sells doesn't mean it's bad either...

If a fighting game sells a lot it's always a good thing for the scene. Whether you personally like the game is irrelavant. Yes that means that SSBM, DOA, and whatever else are good things for the community. Does that mean they have superior gameplay to other games? not nessecarily, Does that mean they should be in evo? not nessecarily, But you can't argue that they haven't done something useful that other games should have learned from.

Fact is EA will probably make a crummy game, they have no experience in competitive gaming (just look at their track record, i've heard few people come up with more than one game that they actually liked out then some mutant football game or something) and on top of that probably have no interest in making a game that's good.

I'd like to see what you mean by competitive... madden alone destroys the competition in SF, lets not get into fifa. I don't know what you mean by good either... People bitch about some things in madden, but you can't disagree that they put a TON of time and money to make sure that people who like football games like madden. Most (if not all) the people who bought espn2k series also bought madden anyway, would they if they thought it sucked?

And like capcom did with WW -> ST, EA started madden and continued the same principles and just improved looks and gameplay throughout the years AND added other games. Capcom decided to stop doing that and make completely different games that weren't even as good AND not improve graphics and then just give up and make resident evil games.

I think there's something wrong when it's 2005 and the best sfs were made 10 yrs ago. I don't look at madden 2005 and say 'damn i wish i had madden 95 for genesis.

and as far as SRKers not knowing anything about competitive gaming I don't think that's accurate. Since a large percentage go to tournaments and this whole site is dedicated around the idea of competitive gaming.

It's a lot different to design a plane than it is to just ride in one. A competitve scene is full of players who want to win in some sense, but i never heard of a 'top fighting game designer' tournament at evo. I don't see where we make the connection that playing CvS2 helps you make any other game than a CvS2 pro.

How many football players do you trust to run the team? How many boxers do you trust to run your boxing promotion? How many SRK'ers are you going to put on the staff of your next fighting game? If someone has the skills AND plays the games it's a plus, but one doesn't imply the other.

[Higher-Jin]

If a fighting game sells a lot it's always a good thing for the scene. Whether you personally like the game is irrelavant. Yes that means that SSBM, DOA, and whatever else are good things for the community. Does that mean they have superior gameplay? not nessecarily, Does that mean they should be in evo? not nessecarily, But you can't argue that they haven't done something useful that other games should have learned from.


I wasn't talking about that, i was talking strictly about gameplay. You make a good point about fighting games selling well helping the genre. However it depends on what you mean by help the community.

IMO it helps the community by showing companies that money can be made off the genre.

However it does NOT help by giving players the wrong idea on what competitive gaming is supposed to be about. I'm not pointing any fingers but if casual players hate the mutant academies and the MK DAs why would they try the real fighting games that we have been enjoying for the past years?



I'd like to see what you mean by competitive... madden alone destroys the competition in SF, lets not get into fifa.

And like capcom did with WW -> ST, EA started madden and continued the same principles and just improved looks and gameplay throughout the years AND added other games. Capcom decided to stop doing that and make completely different games that weren't even as good AND not improve graphics and then just give up and make resident evil games.

I think there's something wrong when it's 2005 and the best sfs were made 10 yrs ago. I don't look at madden 2005 and say 'damn i wish i had madden 95 for genesis.


Again we're talking about different thigns, if you mean the ammount of people playing then yes it has more competition.

But is the competition deep or shallow? Billions around the world play tic tac toe, doesn't make it a competitive game.



It's a lot different to design a plane than it is to just ride in one. A competitve scene is full of players who want to win in some sense, and i never heard of a 'top fighting game designer' tournament at evo. How many football players do you trust to run the team? How many boxers do you trust to run your boxing promotion? How many SRK'ers are you going to put on the staff of your next fighting game? If someone has the skills AND plays the games it's a plus, but one doesn't imply the other.

talking about different things yet again (.... i think i've said that in every one of these >.<)

You were talking about game design while i was referring to experiencing competitive gaming and what it is about.

However, I do think alot of srkers know what it takes to make a competive game because that's what they look for when they try to learn or play a game and many players tend to "take the game apart" and discover alot about mechanics and why Character A is better than Character B ect.

[archetype]

...and probably don't even care about the genre.

The same can be said of capcom. Look at cfj and then play it. That game is garbage. If they cared that piece of shit wouldn't have been released or even thought of. In addition if they cared why doesn't capcom endorse evo? Why don't they give them cabs, boards and other shit? Why did they close their american offices in charge of arcades(i think?) and give the rights of sf to capcom of usa? They care about the damn profits because thats what its all about.


Those are 2 major points that leads me to believe there is a high chance the game will suck especially when you look at all the other games they've made.


Again same thing applies to capcom. I don't know what makes people think that mvc3 will be the shit if it ever came out. Given capcoms track record im worried about sf4. If that ever comes out.

peace

Sav

[Sano]

FMJaguar - Dude, the "Anyways, this Game will suck Ass" quote is not from me as your post reads. That's from Higher-Jin. I demand a full apology and some good Amingo combos! :rofl:

[TS]

I'm skeptical that the graphics will still look that good in the final version.

[FMJaguar]

The same can be said of capcom. Look at cfj and then play it. That game is garbage. If they cared that piece of shit wouldn't have been released or even thought of.

We can barely decide which capcom games are good half the time, kind of makes it funny that we're judging everyone else. I wouldn't be suprised if CFJ seems like a deep game by this time next year. Happened with 3s and CvS2, boredom is a bitch i guess, makes us see things.

[ViciousSLASH]

Instead of bitching about how it's not capcom or it's not 2d. I will hope for the game being as good technically as possible and being really fun with great graphics.

If you aren't going to spend the money to make awesome 2d graphics, and we know they can be done, and know Capcom is able to churn out something better looking then Guilty Gear graphics, but they don't. They are lazy fucks, who can suck my dick. They killed 2D gaming because they figured no one cared, when they didn't care enough to even try to improve what they had created.

So now EA has the license, and instead of complaining, you should hope they actually make a really good game.

[Higher-Jin]

So now EA has the license, and instead of complaining, you should hope they actually make a really good game.

I have a better plan.

Rabble.

RABBLE.

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

Nah seriously i hope it's good but i have a feeling it will blow.


The same can be said of capcom. Look at cfj and then play it. That game is garbage. If they cared that piece of shit wouldn't have been released or even thought of. In addition if they cared why doesn't capcom endorse evo? Why don't they give them cabs, boards and other shit? Why did they close their american offices in charge of arcades(i think?) and give the rights of sf to capcom of usa? They care about the damn profits because thats what its all about.



Again same thing applies to capcom. I don't know what makes people think that mvc3 will be the shit if it ever came out. Given capcoms track record im worried about sf4. If that ever comes out.

peace

Sav
As far as CFJ being crap i haven't played it but i sure did want to... and excluding CFJ what capcom game has been truly hated on in recent years?... Cvs1 and that's about it, EA has a much worse track record by far and they are also inexperienced as i've said before.

Capcom is a business first (i said this in one of my earlier posts), it won't go out of it's way to save streetfighter or fighting games but their contributions to the genre cannot be ignored and CFJ + SF:AC are pretty much aimed at their niche market from what i can tell.

[GKR-Kangda]

EA will create its own fighting expert characters (like ryu, chun li), have some funny characters, probably an EA-man top tier character whose all silver and naked with shades or something. It might bring LOTR characters in. You might have a cave troll or something plus aragorn and a hobbit or two.

[rusbar]

I said probably.


If you disagree with EA being a long shot i'd like to hear some reasons why you think they'd make a good game.

Actually, I wasn't referring to your post, but then that's my bad for not clarifying(sp?).

I understand your analogy, but think of it this way. After 9 flips of a coin being heads, it doesn't mean that it'll more than likely be heads once again on the 10th flip.

As to the whole will Marvel Nemesis. . .or whatever it's called, I don't have much of an opinion on it. . .YET. All I saw in that article was a bunch of talk and a few pictures. They seem to be doing some research so I'm thinking it'll at least be decent and enjoyed by people who buy the game.

Also, why do fighting games have to be like SF or KOF or GG? Whatever happened to originality or creativity?

Also, to whoever said that original characters would suck, don't you think that the developers would TRY to make new characters that would fit in the marvel universe? Take for example that picture of the electric dude.

[vaersting]

LOL y'all hating on this game like it killed your cat or something


I also don't see why you hate EA for doing something like this, AFAIK Capcom weren't planning any sequels for MvC 2 anyway. Does it even say that Marvel gave them exclusive rights to use their franchises in games? If the game sucks, big deal, don't buy it.

As far as I can see Capcom are the real shmucks here: They're the ones who're letting the fans down, they're the ones who abandoned fighting games, they're the ones who settle for shitty rehashes instead of making proper sequels. Remember that SF II was a top seller back in the day, a potential economic juggernaut franchise, but Capcom squandered all that

[Sano]

Also, to whoever said that original characters would suck, don't you think that the developers would TRY to make new characters that would fit in the marvel universe? Take for example that picture of the electric dude.

I think they would TRY, but Electic Dude is not even wearing tights! That's a basic rule in creating a Super Hero for crying out loud! Marvel tried that no tights stuff, too many people complained, tights are back and we can continue our "gay Jokes" and all is right with the world! :rofl: Then again, Wolverine's wearing a T-Shirt in this game, so EH.

Marvel themselves hasn't created a really good new character in a long time. There's X-23, but she was created by the X-Men Evolution cartoon people and the bulk of her popularity is riding on Wolverine's popularity. The last good new character Marvel created was Sentry, mainly 'cuz he flew Carnage into outer space and ripped him in half, good riddens.

In the nineties Marvel was creating lots of great characters. Venom, Cable, Deadpool, etc. Who do they have now? Cassandra Nova? Mauviaus? Morlun? Beak? SQUID BOY!!!! A bunch of freaks and weirdoes that you'll never hear people ask "Put them in ____ video game!" Everyone's personal rosters goes from the 90s on down. And no, "Ultimate re-imaginings" doesn't count.

In short, a dude from Marvel is helping EA create the new characters. Marvel hasn't created any great characters lately. It doesn't inspire a lot of hope.

At the very least we'll get to judge the New Heroes in the comic book and see what's up with them. EA-Man does not look good. But what do I know? Nothing, that's what. Maybe his origin rules. Maybe they'll make him so powerfull that he'll give Galactus a wedgie making "who is stronger" fans flock to him. And I'm keeping an open mind like I keep saying.

[white shadow]

All business rationale aside this game looks like it will end up really, really gay. Fortunately I can at least fall back on SSBM3 when Revolutions come out.:bgrin:

[FMJaguar]

As far as CFJ being crap i haven't played it but i sure did want to... and excluding CFJ what capcom game has been truly hated on in recent years?... Cvs1 and that's about it, EA has a much worse track record by far and they are also inexperienced as i've said before.

what capcom games have been hated on, hmmm, a3, cvs1, cvs2, 3s, mvc2, and probably everything else. Because we are so bored and have zero expectations from capcom, we accepted these games, but they aren't complete by any means. In fact we brainwashed ourselves so much that when someone went to fix some of the games we rejected them. Those people probably quit or changed jobs, so the only SF thing left at capcom is probably the name.

A track record isn't how many games you've made, but how you conduct business. EA, like capcom, started with 0 games, and built an empire in it's genre. However EA is still active in it's genre, making huge deals to make sure they have the right to make more games. Meanwhile capcom has pissed away their claim to the fighting genre, totally wasted the marvel license, and probably spent less time and money in fighters than the mugen ppl.

I don't particularly like ea's NFL deal, but at least it shows that they want to make more games.

Capcom is a business first (i said this in one of my earlier posts), it won't go out of it's way to save streetfighter or fighting games but their contributions to the genre cannot be ignored and CFJ + SF:AC are pretty much aimed at their niche market from what i can tell.

They have a funny way of aiming, SF:AC could have been written the day after ST and it would have been 100% the same. They took NOTHING from the 15 years of SF being played and incorporated it into their game. Hell it doesn't even have the modes of genesis SCE (yet T5 does!). They didn't put in any of the good live features, didn't put in stats or record keeping, nothing interesting like an advanced training mode (record feature?) this was the absolute MINIMUM effort and was probably done to pass time between RE games.

Oh yeah, lets not forget the fact that capcom barely acknowledges that they made SF. I have to get a court order just to get capcom to say it's OK to play SF in public (and i never got that permission BTW)

Back in the day relative to other games, sf was advanced. Most games has 1-2 buttons, capcom had 6. Most games were 1 player, capcom was 2 at the same time against each other. Not to say they invented all that, but they certainly helped popularize it, but that isn't worth 15 yrs of props.

Nowadays they are very far behind even the most minimum standards for game development. The only reason the community likes the current capcom games are because the only ones left are the 10% of us that haven't found anything better to do. And unfortunately, we are much better at criticizing than creating, as seen here.

[SynikaL]

All business rationale aside this game looks like it will end up really, really gay. Fortunately I can at least fall back on SSBM3 when Revolutions comes out.


Damn straight.


*high fives Shadow*

-CynIcaL

[GregWeb8]

I think this game has potential to be awesome. Im gonna hold back any comments until EA gives us more than some cooked up graphic pictures and comic book art. However, as a Marvel fanboy, I will blindly buy this game and hope for the best. I also think its sorta cool that it will come out on the PSP as well as all the home consoles. Just my noob opinion.

[sixtymhz]

See what happens when noobs use the search button??
Shit like this happens...


noobs ask questions... threads are already made for them...
noobs use search function, old threads come back like thriller.

[platinum_pinoy]

See what happens when noobs use the search button??
Shit like this happens...


noobs ask questions... threads are already made for them...
noobs use search function, old threads come back like thriller.


Isn't this a good thing? I mean, I'd rather see a Jesus like ressurection of an old thread than 10 threads asking the same fucking question.

[GregWeb8]

Im sorry, was I supposed to make a new thread when there are already three about this? Should I come to you for approval of my posts? Maybe I should just sit here and read other peoples opinions and not ever express my own.
*laced with sarcasm*

[sixtymhz]

Yeah, you should just read others opinions on a thread that died month(s) ago.

pinoy: eh, I was wondering if you'd see the fact we lose either way.

[platinum_pinoy]

I think we would lose more in see 30 threads asking the same fucking question about the song to the Evolution trailer as opposed to one thread being ressurected that might contain new information about the song to the evolution trailer, naw mean?

[sixtymhz]

yeah buts it EA vs Marvel for Christ sakes... >_<

[Obkb]

the ironic thing is this: The person bitching about the resurrection of the thread is spamming more useless bullshit than anyone else, thus, keeping it alive longer. Moron.

[sixtymhz]

:( :( ;(

[cannabiscreator]

I Will Not Play A Fighting Game Made By Ea!

Why the fuck didn't capcom try and keep the license? Anybody know the whole story?

[GregWeb8]

I Will Not Play A Fighting Game Made By Ea!

Why the fuck didn't capcom try and keep the license? Anybody know the whole story?
I read a while ago that Marvel was tired of dealing with a foreign game maker because of the different company's ways of working. They switched to EA right when EA's stock was going up and it was becoming popular (I don't really know why), so I guess as a business strategy it wasnt that bad a choice, but not that good for gamers. Hopefully, either EA will make a good game or they will make a bad game and then Marvel will go back to Capcom.

[bj91x]

Activision? Not exactly a powerhouse in the world of gaming.


I don't see how you can say that Activision is not a powerhouse in the world of gaming. Activision is behind only EA in most cases as one of the best game publishers in the US (also in the world, if I'm right). Looking at games like Call of Duty, Doom, Rome, X-Men Legends, Tony Hawk, these are some of the most recognized games in the general gaming public. If you live in Socal and you go to an EB games, chances are, a portion of their store will be lined up with Activision titles. This has nothing to do with the fact that I work at Activision. Just that looking at the track record of Activision, it is obvious that Activision is not just a powerhouse, but one of the best publishers in the world of gaming.


Anyways, getting back to topic, I'm not a fan of EA. They have been doing so many shady things that'll benefit only them, and screw up gamers. Personally, I'm never purchasing another EA game. NFL, College Football, ESPN, AFL, Ubisoft, etc. all scream Microsoft console. I can see how EA making Marvel games will hurt the MVC gamers. Hell, I'd be upset too, if EA somehow started to make Tekken games. It's nothing to call people idiots for. People ARE free to complain/bitch/voice their own opinions.

*This is just my own opinion and does not represent Activision or any of its employees in any ways. It's just my own mouth and my own personal experience that the above post is based on.

[dummyface]

SNK is still around...

SNK is dead.
Azure & Playmore made sure to take A nice big shit all over what was left.
CapCom does not care anymore.
I sure hope Guilty Gear does not turn out to be Sammy's 1 trick pony.

[Burning Ranger]

SNK is dead.
Azure & Playmore made sure to take A nice big shit all over what was left.
CapCom does not care anymore.
I sure hope Guilty Gear does not turn out to be Sammy's 1 trick pony.

YOU LIE!

Neo Geo Battle Colleseum will come out and everything will right in the world again. You just watch!

[Burning Ranger]

Fighting games are supposed to be competitive, if a game sucks and there is no competition not even the people who play for the "good graphics' will enjoy it. It will get repetitive and it will collect dust in 2-3 weeks.

Says who? From what it sounds like, all fighting games are supposed to be capable of being played in serious tournaments. I wonder if God decreed this somewhere... maybe in Urien 2:34...

Who am I kidding? There is no set rule anywhere. A lot of people are assuming that this game is REQUIRED to be complex and worthy of tournament play, and reality tells us that EA (or Capcom or anyone else) doesn't owe us jack-scheise. Then again, knowing our mainstream gaming audience (at least in the US), they'll probably get bored of the game and drop it after a while--unless EA pulls a Bungie on us and continually updates the game (fat chance).

I tell you what: this game is going to sell sell sell. Why? Because there are more casual mainstream gamers (who like mainstream superheroes) than those who like 2D or 3D fighters like us. Hell, there are probably more comic book fans than those of use who like fighters.

Still... if this game does sell like hot-cakes (and it would have to bring in A LOT of money), Capcom could consider making a new VS game, but since they have no rights to the Marvel license, they could pursue other comic book licenses. Green Lantern vs Ryu?

[ABASI]

SNK is dead.
Azure & Playmore made sure to take A nice big shit all over what was left.
CapCom does not care anymore.
I sure hope Guilty Gear does not turn out to be Sammy's 1 trick pony.

how in the world can a company be dead that has consistantly drop games every year since 1998?!?! i mean capcom hasn't given us a fighter every year, but cats give them way more respect. while snk continued to give me something new. i understand all the graphic arguements but i like the games and this year we have samuri showdown 0, neo geo battle colleseum, kof neo wave, and what ever else they decide to make. hell no their games don't look like ggxx or 3rd strike, but they 6 kof's where the characters continue to change and grow, i don't know about most cats but that's a good thing to me.

a and i'm sorry i don't mean to single u out. i just saw this and the above is what i thought.

my only problem with ea is that haven't made a good game yet outside of sports. and that everyone wants mvc3 so it don't matter who make the next fighter with marvel characters most cats are going to hate it on the jump off

ABASI! :karate:

[Higher-Jin]

Says who? From what it sounds like, all fighting games are supposed to be capable of being played in serious tournaments. I wonder if God decreed this somewhere... maybe in Urien 2:34...

Who am I kidding? There is no set rule anywhere. A lot of people are assuming that this game is REQUIRED to be complex and worthy of tournament play, and reality tells us that EA (or Capcom or anyone else) doesn't owe us jack-scheise. Then again, knowing our mainstream gaming audience (at least in the US), they'll probably get bored of the game and drop it after a while--unless EA pulls a Bungie on us and continually updates the game (fat chance).

I tell you what: this game is going to sell sell sell. Why? Because there are more casual mainstream gamers (who like mainstream superheroes) than those who like 2D or 3D fighters like us. Hell, there are probably more comic book fans than those of use who like fighters.

Still... if this game does sell like hot-cakes (and it would have to bring in A LOT of money), Capcom could consider making a new VS game, but since they have no rights to the Marvel license, they could pursue other comic book licenses. Green Lantern vs Ryu?


So if a game isn't fun and it isn't competitive people will actually play it?

do you see anyone playing E.T for atari?

Even if it sold if it isn't fun

no one will play it

if you can't even have fun competing with your friends

you won't play it

it's not rocket science its' common sense

if they don't find anything broken and it turns out to be svc calibur broken they wouldn't be playing it alot anyways but even the people who would have played it (competitive gamers)prolly won't play it either.


I said play it

not buy it

[HellSap]

I sure hope Guilty Gear does not turn out to be Sammy's 1 trick pony.

With Sammy's non-gaming enterprises controlling like 60% pachinko in japan, who cares, theyll always be around... they venture outwards with their other shit and its dissapointing, who cares... they still got the $$ to pump out anything. And with SEGA being acquired, theres a lot more on the general gaming front that they can continue to do.

[TigerGenocide]

Greatest game ever.

[Burning Ranger]

So if a game isn't fun and it isn't competitive people will actually play it?

do you see anyone playing E.T for atari?

Improper game title for two reasons:

1. It's not a fighting game (its a one-player game).
2. It's so long ago that it really doesn't apply ('competitive' games made back then were limited to a few sports games).

The point is that the game has to be fun, not necessarily competitive. You don't see Powerstone tournaments out there, but the game is still fun. You make it sound like every fighting game is supposed to be a complex fighting game like SF3: Third Strike or Guilty Gear XX. Games that are basic in nature but fun do sell. I bet HAL/Nintendo didn't intend to make Super Smash Bros Melee a tournament worthy game, but it is. Hell, I don't even think Street Fighter was originally intended to be a tournament game. Competitive, sure it is--but do you really believe that every company that makes a fighting game makes it so that it is tournament quality?

Now, if you want to talk about 'competitive' then you can make the argument that ALL fighting games are competitive, from the best of the best (SF, KOF, Guilty Gear) to the worst of the worst (SvC Chaos, CFJ, Shaq Fu) merely because when two people play, they both 'compete' so that one is the victor. This is sharply different from a 'tournament quality' game.

There IS a difference between 'competitive' and 'tournament-quality.' While every fighting game is 'competitive', not every game has to be 'tournament quality.' If there was a law saying that all fighters HAVE to be tournament quality, then we'd all be playing SHaq-Fu at Evo.

[Higher-Jin]

Improper game title for two reasons:

1. It's not a fighting game (its a one-player game).
2. It's so long ago that it really doesn't apply ('competitive' games made back then were limited to a few sports games).

The point is that the game has to be fun, not necessarily competitive. You don't see Powerstone tournaments out there, but the game is still fun. You make it sound like every fighting game is supposed to be a complex fighting game like SF3: Third Strike or Guilty Gear XX. Games that are basic in nature but fun do sell. I bet HAL/Nintendo didn't intend to make Super Smash Bros Melee a tournament worthy game, but it is. Hell, I don't even think Street Fighter was originally intended to be a tournament game. Competitive, sure it is--but do you really believe that every company that makes a fighting game makes it so that it is tournament quality?

Now, if you want to talk about 'competitive' then you can make the argument that ALL fighting games are competitive, from the best of the best (SF, KOF, Guilty Gear) to the worst of the worst (SvC Chaos, CFJ, Shaq Fu) merely because when two people play, they both 'compete' so that one is the victor. This is sharply different from a 'tournament quality' game.

There IS a difference between 'competitive' and 'tournament-quality.' While every fighting game is 'competitive', not every game has to be 'tournament quality.' If there was a law saying that all fighters HAVE to be tournament quality, then we'd all be playing SHaq-Fu at Evo.


I'ms orry for the misunderstanding

but you are the one that is seeing things that are not there

If a fighting game is not competitive on some level it will fail period.

Fighting games that are fun and not competive i'd imagine would have to be a mix of other games.

You can't play single player and expect to have fun with a fighting game (even alpha's world tour system would grow tiring) it has to be competitive

end of discussion.

I don't know why your making this more complicated than it has to be

this is what i believe about fighitng games

Competitive games that are fun at the beginning tend to succeed

but if someone finds something like zero's infinite for example, that coupled with ways to almost certainly get you into it it will take away any other strats the game cuold have had

taht's why it's important for it to be balanced and be checked for bugs as much as possible

and ea is a newbie when it comes to fighting games, it leads me to believe they will fuck up on this front.

edit: there's a difference between tournament quality

and just quality

if a game is crap it will show.

not all tournament quality games are played at tournaments

TMNT: Tournament fighters and Gundam wing come to mind

[Burning Ranger]

edit: there's a difference between tournament quality

and just quality

if a game is crap it will show.

not all tournament quality games are played at tournaments

TMNT: Tournament fighters and Gundam wing come to mind

Now we're getting somewhere-- what we're really after is quality. That's important. THe game needs to (A) not be broken and (B) not be crap. I'll agree on this.

Moving on... have videos of the game in action been released? We're making judgements based soley on the few shots and concept art that exists. Who are we to say if the game will suck or not until we've played it (or at least seen videos of the game in action). And remember, anything we see now is not necessarily going to be in the final build (remember the very first CvS shots).

Now, I know EA is involved, and frankly I also have bad feelings about them. But really, all the bashing on this game seems to come from people upset that Capcom lost the Marvel license and because of this, MvC3 might never happen. Still, not the end of the world (if Capcom was smart, they'd be courting DC).

[GouShRyuKen]

This game is a fighting game ?

[dummyface]

how in the world can a company be dead that has consistantly drop games every year since 1998?!?! i mean capcom hasn't given us a fighter every year, but cats give them way more respect. while snk continued to give me something new. i understand all the graphic arguements but i like the games and this year we have samuri showdown 0, neo geo battle colleseum, kof neo wave, and what ever else they decide to make. hell no their games don't look like ggxx or 3rd strike, but they 6 kof's where the characters continue to change and grow, i don't know about most cats but that's a good thing to me.

a and i'm sorry i don't mean to single u out. i just saw this and the above is what i thought.

my only problem with ea is that haven't made a good game yet outside of sports. and that everyone wants mvc3 so it don't matter who make the next fighter with marvel characters most cats are going to hate it on the jump off

ABASI! :karate:

Slow down there buddy.
Hardcore SNK fanboy right here.
& SNK is dead it's all SNKP(laymore) now.
I never compain about the graphics at all I just care about good games & SNKP has not put out A good game since...Well never.
I do have hope for Neowave & NGBC but i'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them.
Back on topic,
EA sucks.

[Burning Ranger]

I never compain about the graphics at all I just care about good games & SNKP has not put out A good game since...Well never.
I do have hope for Neowave & NGBC but i'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them.
Back on topic,
EA sucks.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but just because you say SNK games suck doesn't mean that it's a universal law. I don't think God decreed that all SNK games sucked and that Capcom is divine. I can say Capcom sucks, but will it be universal?

SNK isn't dead. It's alive in a new form. SNK by any other name (SNK Playmore) is still SNK. And it's still making money, right? People are playing their games and people are buying the console ports. Hell, people are still buying Neo Geo AES carts of the latest games. And they have consistently developed more fighting games than any other company, including Capcom (has Capcom worked on a new fighting game every year since 1994?).

The point is--at least SNK is making fighting games right now. What fighters is Capcom making?

[ABASI]

Slow down there buddy.
Hardcore SNK fanboy right here.
& SNK is dead it's all SNKP(laymore) now.
I never compain about the graphics at all I just care about good games & SNKP has not put out A good game since...Well never.
I do have hope for Neowave & NGBC but i'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them.
Back on topic,
EA sucks.

my bad

ABASI! :sweat:

[dummyface]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but just because you say SNK games suck doesn't mean that it's a universal law. I don't think God decreed that all SNK games sucked and that Capcom is divine. I can say Capcom sucks, but will it be universal?

SNK isn't dead. It's alive in a new form. SNK by any other name (SNK Playmore) is still SNK. And it's still making money, right? People are playing their games and people are buying the console ports. Hell, people are still buying Neo Geo AES carts of the latest games. And they have consistently developed more fighting games than any other company, including Capcom (has Capcom worked on a new fighting game every year since 1994?).

The point is--at least SNK is making fighting games right now. What fighters is Capcom making?

WTF?
Whare did I say SNK sucks?
I said EA sucks but never SNK.
SNK >=< Capcom.
Look all I am really saying is SNK is not the same company it used to be.
& just coz they put A new fighter out every year does not mean squat, How many quality fighters have come out of SNKP since KoF98 & Garou?
And BTW, I AM one of those people still buying AES, MVS, & Neo CD games.
EA still sucks tho.

[EDDUR]

I think this is going to be some sort of Def Jam FFNY with the famous marvel/EA characters. i don't like EA that much but i'm pretty curious hwta they make of it..

[FMJaguar]

but if someone finds something like zero's infinite for example, that coupled with ways to almost certainly get you into it it will take away any other strats the game cuold have had

taht's why it's important for it to be balanced and be checked for bugs as much as possible

and ea is a newbie when it comes to fighting games, it leads me to believe they will fuck up on this front.


Your points conflict with each other it seems. I agree with the stance of fixing bugs and infinites, but it doesn't take a fighting powerhouse to check for that, i think my little sister could have found the zero infinite if she had a beta, it's not a big deal.

That has nothing to do with overall balance, currently the games with the most balance are the least competitive (#R,VF4). The only game that is decent with comp is T5, because namco decided to actually back it with a national tournament, advertising, and a widespread release.

To be honest balance is overrated, you can always fix it later like the MMORPGs do, as long as there's no one move infinites the game will probably pass the most important factor is how many people are going to play the game. However the game plays i'm sure we'll learn it and be good at it if theres money in it.

[jae hoon]

FM: I wouldnt go as far as to say balance is overrated. IMO if CvS2 didnt have the balance it does, it wouldnt have lasted this long. Balance is good in a fighter and should be there if its at all possible.

Poor balance does not necessarily break a game though (see MvC2). Balance shpuld be part of the overall product of the game along with checking for glitches, infinites and things of that nature.

[EDDUR]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but just because you say SNK games suck doesn't mean that it's a universal law. I don't think God decreed that all SNK games sucked and that Capcom is divine. I can say Capcom sucks, but will it be universal?

SNK isn't dead. It's alive in a new form. SNK by any other name (SNK Playmore) is still SNK. And it's still making money, right? People are playing their games and people are buying the console ports. Hell, people are still buying Neo Geo AES carts of the latest games. And they have consistently developed more fighting games than any other company, including Capcom (has Capcom worked on a new fighting game every year since 1994?).

The point is--at least SNK is making fighting games right now. What fighters is Capcom making?

Although i've been a Capcom fan since day one , i must agree with you on this. Capcom hasn't done anything new for their fans since a long time while SNK is rocking the 2d fighting world every year with their brilliant KOF games.The last fighting game capcom had released was Capcom's fighting jam..and this must be the worst fighting game i've played in a verry long time ..i felt emberrased as a Capcom fan.. This game is so cheap and they think they can get away with it that easy..? Well, their Streetfighter fanbase know a bad game when they play one.
Capcom isn't what it used to be when it comes to 2d fighting games ..the games that made them what they are now..

[polarity]

Like everyone else I wish Capcom would make more 2d fighters, but I also wish people would stop acting like Capcom owes it to their fanbase to make them :rolleyes:

[Burning Ranger]

WTF?
How many quality fighters have come out of SNKP since KoF98 & Garou?
And BTW, I AM one of those people still buying AES, MVS, & Neo CD games.
EA still sucks tho.

I don't know. A lot of people are saying KOF'02 is the best thing since '98 (though I don't). Personally, I think '02 and '03 are fairly good quality (though they're not perfect, they are good). The last 'good' game Capcom has put out IMHO is probably CvS2 back in 2001. Since then, it was 3 years before Capcom put out CFJ.

Anyway, NO MORE FANBOY CAPCOM VS SNK TALK!

Don't judge a book by its cover when it comes to Marvel vs EA. Have bad expectations, but don't say the game sucks before you even play it.

[dummyface]

I don't know. A lot of people are saying KOF'02 is the best thing since '98 (though I don't). Personally, I think '02 and '03 are fairly good quality (though they're not perfect, they are good). The last 'good' game Capcom has put out IMHO is probably CvS2 back in 2001. Since then, it was 3 years before Capcom put out CFJ.

Anyway, NO MORE FANBOY CAPCOM VS SNK TALK!

Don't judge a book by its cover when it comes to Marvel vs EA. Have bad expectations, but don't say the game sucks before you even play it.

Agreed.
But EA sucks even if this game ends up beeing good.

[Higher-Jin]

Your points conflict with each other it seems. I agree with the stance of fixing bugs and infinites, but it doesn't take a fighting powerhouse to check for that, i think my little sister could have found the zero infinite if she had a beta, it's not a big deal.

That has nothing to do with overall balance, currently the games with the most balance are the least competitive (#R,VF4). The only game that is decent with comp is T5, because namco decided to actually back it with a national tournament, advertising, and a widespread release.

To be honest balance is overrated, you can always fix it later like the MMORPGs do, as long as there's no one move infinites the game will probably pass the most important factor is how many people are going to play the game. However the game plays i'm sure we'll learn it and be good at it if theres money in it.


The thing is that fighting games can't patch their games.

Also if a fighting game powerhouse has failed , one that actually seemed at least partly dedicated to making a competitive game you have to wonder if ea has what it takes.

remember marvel is 4 years old and we are still finding new glitches today (remember the double damage assist glitch recently?)

how is someone like ea that has no prior experience in fighting games, have no idea what to look for, probably doesn't even care if it's balanced

going to succeed where capcom's failed?

low odds

i say we'll be gcfs-ing in marvel vs. ea within the first 2 weeks

[polarity]

The thing is that fighting games can't patch their games.

That's not entirely true; I'm sure you know that some games do get revisions released, like 3s and FT. Thing is in some cases (3s) people only like to play on the first version, regardless of what the updates fix.

[Higher-Jin]

That's not entirely true; I'm sure you know that some games do get revisions released, like 3s and FT. Thing is in some cases (3s) people only like to play on the first version, regardless of what the updates fix.

the only semi succesuful fixes was xvsf

or if you want to count sf2 turbo and such but those had extra characters.

and still it takes alot more to release a new arcade game than to patch a game

sfa2 and sfa3 revisions failed horribly didn't they?

[FMJaguar]

FM: I wouldnt go as far as to say balance is overrated. IMO if CvS2 didnt have the balance it does, it wouldnt have lasted this long. Balance is good in a fighter and should be there if its at all possible.

CvS2 doesn't have great balance, the difference between it and say, marvel is that people that Viscant, the IM,BH,and whoever players aren't as active anymore. In CvS2 a few players, most notably buktooth, will talk CvS2 and never seems to get tired of it. It helps that japan had a good scene when the game died here, so CvS2 and 3s players had people to follow in the meantime. They kept talking and playing with their characters enough that people actually believed they were good. But I don't think that means the game is, in reality, any more balanced now. Theres just a variety of players to learn from.

Poor balance does not necessarily break a game though (see MvC2). Balance shpuld be part of the overall product of the game along with checking for glitches, infinites and things of that nature.

agreed

The thing is that fighting games can't patch their games.

SC2 had several revisions IIRC, XX had a revision #R, VF4 had 2 revisions. CvS2 was revised for the XBox/GC, but capcom never made it a priority to promote the updated version or release it for japan arcade at least. MvC2 was partially updated but they didn't even fix enough to make it look like a revision.

Also if a fighting game powerhouse has failed , one that actually seemed at least partly dedicated to making a competitive game you have to wonder if ea has what it takes.


When was the last time this was true? HF? I think if i got like 10 of the people from SRK we could clean up SF better than capcom could. Your making it seem like capcom is this big company dedicated to making the best fighting game, they are a big company that makes RE and Viewtiful Joe and DMC, and once in a while say "oh damn we can make some free money with this old SF stuff, lets do it."

remember marvel is 4 years old and we are still finding new glitches today (remember the double damage assist glitch recently?)

Cause all the people that knew before didn't want you to know, IIRC that's like 2 years old. It really became widespread ironically enough because a couple people found it easier to do on Xbox. But regardless i'm more comfortable with that than a one button infinite or something.

how is someone like ea that has no prior experience in fighting games, have no idea what to look for, probably doesn't even care if it's balanced, going to succeed where capcom's failed?

Because capcom hasn't failed, they just haven't really tried. I don't know why you think it's so impossible to make a decent fighting game, it's not rocket science. The hardest part is convincing a company that fighting gamers are worth making a game for, and that we won't shove the product back in their face if japan doesn't jock it day and night.

[BigEd80]

Let's see if this game makes Texas Showdown 6 or EVO2K6, lol :bgrin:

[box]

Marvel is going to be making a comic that will tie into the video game

release date for the comic: May 11 2005

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/showcomic.htm?id=2003&format=comic

[ShakingHands]

oh man, I hope the rest of EA's character line up is as original as their "Electrode Man" :tdown:

[cannabiscreator]

Let's see if this game makes Texas Showdown 6 or EVO2K6, lol :bgrin:

It wont, lol :karate:

[yozansen_king]

^^Heh I thought I was the only nut who wanted a sequel to MSH. Despite its complete and utter brokenness, it's my favorite Marvel game.


I thought you were the only one who wanted that to.

[Duck Strong]

I think you're going to get your ass kicked at the end of May.

[GregWeb8]

oh man, I hope the rest of EA's character line up is as original as their "Electrode Man" :tdown:
lol. At least wait until all he can say is "UUUUUURG!" before you go calling him unorginal. Who knows, maybe EA will actually make these characters good?

Probably not, but I still hold out hope.

[platinum_pinoy]

Okay new info I read in the new EGM. According to the article, the fighting engine will be similiar to that of melee games ala Smash Brothers and Power Stone. This might be a good thing, depending on how they translate it, but it would have been nice to be a more in depth fighter, you know?

[Superking]

Okay new info I read in the new EGM. According to the article, the fighting engine will be similiar to that of melee games ala Smash Brothers and Power Stone. This might be a good thing, depending on how they translate it, but it would have been nice to be a more in depth fighter, you know?

That's actually old news, they mentioned that months ago in the Gamespot interviews.

[platinum_pinoy]

That's actually old news, they mentioned that months ago in the Gamespot interviews.


Whoops. Must have missed that one.

[Higher-Jin]

SC2 had several revisions IIRC, XX had a revision #R, VF4 had 2 revisions. CvS2 was revised for the XBox/GC, but capcom never made it a priority to promote the updated version or release it for japan arcade at least. MvC2 was partially updated but they didn't even fix enough to make it look like a revision.


As many as Diablo II or starcraft has? It's not very cost effective just look at how well sfa3 upper and sfa2 gold (?) did... everyone hated it right?

Diablo II has had like at least 9 revisions in their expansion version alone probably more than 10 by now and they didn't have to worry about selling new copies of the cds.

You can't really revise a game unless you have it hooked up online and download the patch into it, but capcom doesn't care enough to set up the system or revise the games especially not for free (you'd also need a hard drive type system i'd guess? or download the changes each time or save them to a memory card which means they'd be minimal and they'd probably just take away stuff instead add stuff in)


When was the last time this was true? HF? I think if i got like 10 of the people from SRK we could clean up SF better than capcom could. Your making it seem like capcom is this big company dedicated to making the best fighting game, they are a big company that makes RE and Viewtiful Joe and DMC, and once in a while say "oh damn we can make some free money with this old SF stuff, lets do it."


That's not what i'm saying, i said partly dedicated as in they at least realize what they have to do and at least try to balance it out.

I'm not debating srkers might be able to do a better job in collaboration with some programers BUT it's probably harder than you think and you probably will miss something, it's just bound to happen.

How can 10 people working hard for around 2 months trying to find glitches 24/7 compare to the countless times more people working hard to find a game breaking glitch or combo 24/7.

Especially over the span of what? 3-4 years if it's any good?

Maybe more right?


Cause all the people that knew before didn't want you to know, IIRC that's like 2 years old. It really became widespread ironically enough because a couple people found it easier to do on Xbox. But regardless i'm more comfortable with that than a one button infinite or something.


News to me.


Because capcom hasn't failed, they just haven't really tried. I don't know why you think it's so impossible to make a decent fighting game, it's not rocket science. The hardest part is convincing a company that fighting gamers are worth making a game for, and that we won't shove the product back in their face if japan doesn't jock it day and night.

It's probably harder than it looks but maybe i'm wrong.

[The_DarkOne]

To answer that question without giving too much away, I will tell you that the locales have been specifically designed to bring out the powers and abilities of the characters in the game. Depending on who your character is, you will have a different way of behaving in each environment.


wow that sounds so gimmicky, you cant take a game seriously where the enviroment can give you advantages imo.

[ShinjiGohan]

Wihle hopes are not high for this. Didn't squaresoft make Ehrgeiz? And didn't EA merge with Squaresoft? I believe so, so assuming the same people that made Ehrgeiz are with EA, then they may have a small chance to do well.

[platinum_pinoy]

And didn't EA merge with Squaresoft?

Uhhhh...no? Last I heard, Square merged with Enix. Unless Squaresoft is a totally different company from Square.

[blackadde]

Squaresoft turned to Square turned to Square-Enix. Or SQUEEEENIX.

[Superking]

Square before merging with Enix, had a distribution deal with EA right after they released FFVII. This deal was to help both sides selling games in the East and the West. In Asia, they would be Square EA, and Square would help publish and distribute EA titles as well as their own, and over on this side of the pacific and Europe, they were EA Square, EA did the same for Square games. This partnership would of course end when Square was boughtout by Enix.

[ShinjiGohan]

Square before merging with Enix, had a distribution deal with EA right after they released FFVII. This deal was to help both sides selling games in the East and the West. In Asia, they would be Square EA, and Square would help publish and distribute EA titles as well as their own, and over on this side of the pacific and Europe, they were EA Square, EA did the same for Square games. This partnership would of course end when Square was boughtout by Enix.


ok, thats probably what I was thinking of. Then I guess I have to take back my statement then lol

[sixtymhz]

http://ps2.ign.com/objects/681/681938.html


Looks like Marvel vs EA got a name change.

[MegamanDS]

aww, its 3d fighter? we dont want more tekkens

[Sano]

EGM said that the new electric guy's name is Ohm.

You know, all this time on this thread I've been calling him EA-Man, I actually wasn't that far off. :rofl:

The Marvel Nemesis comic book is supposed to start this month and EGM says they will reveal a new EA character every month.

[Higher-Jin]

http://ps2.ign.com/objects/681/681938.html


Looks like Marvel vs EA got a name change.

how did you get 5 red cubes?

[ShinjiGohan]

how did you get 5 red cubes?

heh it was 3 when I checked this thread last night, but damn not even MP has that many.

[WasFemto]

http://ps2.ign.com/objects/681/681938.html


Looks like Marvel vs EA got a name change.


I saw that pic in the new EGM. I thought it was the new Spider-Man game. Shit looks nice, I'll play it, but I'm not gonna buy it (don't buy EA games).

[ABASI]

wow that sounds so gimmicky, you cant take a game seriously where the enviroment can give you advantages imo.

what do you mean i think it's time a fighter let a character use all of his abilities. not just a couple of okay moves that are similar to what they do in the books. now instead you have someone who is trying to give you all of what the man can do. take spiderman for instance, it just kind seems stupid to have him punching and kicking at jug.

now i don't think this game will get it 100% right but it is a look in the right direction for marvel type character games. i mean if the hulk can pick up a car and smash you with i want to do it.

ABASI! :cool:

[sixtymhz]

I dunno wtf those cubes mean. I dont know what one green means.

[shinkibigami9]

Man I just wanted another game to see in a tourney.. Ill play it but I hope someone else comes out with a tourney game. :P

[Duel=Master]

people want more fighting games, but when they come out, everyone doesnt want them.

[Sano]

The comic book, Marvel Nemesis issue #1 will be in comic book stores this Wednesday, 5/11/05. Now we get to learn about the electric noob AKA Ohm and find out what's up with him, what's his story, motivations, dreams and shtuff...

[EWAShock]

people want more fighting games, but when they come out, everyone doesnt want them.
People don't want the games to be moronic in concept before they even reach their gaming system.

Matt

[Sano]

People in Gamefaqs are saying Iron Man is in the game, he has appeared in the June PSM Issue. Let me see if I can confirm this by getting the issue, possibly scanning.

[GregWeb8]

The Ohm guy's name is actually Johnny Ohm, not just Ohm.

[Wellman]

For a minute I was worried they would only stick to characters that would or already have their own movie.

...Wait a minute, Iron Man is getting his own movie! So there appears to be no hope of Cable and/or Deadpool. The sickest non team ever.

[Sano]

The Ohm guy's name is actually Johnny Ohm, not just Ohm.

Yeah, EGM just called him Ohm, but PSM called him Johnny Ohm. Johnny Ohm? Oh brother...

Anyway, Iron Man is real, here's a scan from PSM. Hooray!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/futaenokiwami/Ironman3.jpg

EDIT: PSM also had screens of the PSP version which is supposed to have Marvel and original characters not featured in the console versions.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/futaenokiwami/Ironman22.jpg

[Genghis]

I played Def Jam Fight for New York and it plays EXACTLY like WCW for the N64 except with other pretty stuff. Draw your own conclusion.

[Sano]

I played Def Jam Fight for New York and it plays EXACTLY like WCW for the N64 except with other pretty stuff. Draw your own conclusion.

Dude, no offense but in those games you can't rip a traffic sign from the ground and hit somebody with it or throw a bus at somebody like you will be able to in Marvel Nemesis.

Characters will be grouped into three stregnth levels, so Elektra won't be able to lift a bus or anything.

There will be only one attack button, odd.

Since it's inspired by Power Stone, like that game their might not be a blocking option either, you may have to hide behind stuff.

Getting the comic in one hour...

[Sano]

OK got the comic.

SPOILER ALERT!

The artwork is alright, not great. The best looking pages are the pages that focus on Thing for some reason. The story is alright too, but it seems episodic, like you'll have to read all six chapters before you can fully rate it.

Didn't find out much about Ohm unless he's that scientist guy pulling the strings.

There's some funny moments here. A bunch of comic book geeks like yours truly rag on Thing getting his butt kicked by everybody in Marvel. :rofl: Elektra reminds Wolverine on how she always schools him, which reminds me of the time she had to retrain Wolverine after he went savage after a failed attempt to put his Adamantium back.

At the end of the tale, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Elektra and Thing are brainwashed or whatever and they all look different. Elektra becomes green (will there be pallete swaps like Capcom does in their games? :clap: ). Thing gets some weird green wiring over his rocks, Spider-Man has a strange Spider on his chest. Wolvie looks more or less the same(going by memory, the book's not in front of me now since I'm supposed to be working...) these versions seem like they might be alternate costumes in the game.

No sign of Iron Man.

Wolverine and Spider-Man don't say anything about being Avengers, so we don't know when this story takes place but it looks like it's roughly a story that can happen just about anytime. Assuming the story will be considered canon later on.

The story feels kind of like Contest of Champions II, Aliens kidnapping and brainwashing so the heroes can fight, well, for the most part in this story it seems like they are capturing to experiment and shtuff...

Anyway, bring on issue 2!

[The V]

Characters will be grouped into three stregnth levels, so Elektra won't be able to lift a bus or anything.


It goes deeper