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Khaotika!

08-01-2006, 07:08 PM

i liked the colouring :P

Ya know, I couldn't for the life of me remember just what stood out that made me break concentration while I read Watchmen. I flipped through my trade this morning and found it... the scene where the Comedian almost rapes Laurie's mom... the colors bled horribly all through the blacks, making it look like technicolor yawn. I dunno if it's just my copy or if all are like this, I only have my own to go on.

The only other thing I could think of was how reprints of older books look on "newer paper". Colors sometimes end up brighter than the original versions; something the old funny books relied on was the paper stock they were printed on, which yellowed far too easy. You can tell the difference time and progress makes by comparing a single issue from say the 70's or 80's printed in today's standard format... makes it look older due to the limitations. Anyway, the colors are fine. My memory isn't. :razzy:

Random_Hero - Exiles is a pretty good read... it gets iffy once Winick left, but is still pretty good. After the whole Timebreakers issue gets resolved, it starts getting weak. Bum a trade from someone or go to a bookstore and thumb through it if you're not sure.

Sano

08-02-2006, 09:50 AM

Straight to DVD Spider-Man cartoon, links to more tidbits of news, Heath Ledger as the Joker in Batman Begins 2 is real -

http://superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=4606#

Sano

08-02-2006, 07:03 PM

What I've read so far, slight spoilers -

Brubaker X-Men - Wow, someone writing a comic book actually remembers that there is no sound in space? Wow... ha ha ha dead Shiar, after wiping out the Grey family they had it coming. More dead Shiar please! Except for Cerise of course...

Paul Dini Detective Comics/Batman - Man another great issue. Not sure if I missed it last time but the lettering in the caption mimicked the lettering they used to title the episodes, you know, like "ROBIN'S RECKONING" in the old TV show. Another murder mystery, Dini's putting the Detective back in Detective comics. Next month, Poison Ivy. Hooray! Dini writing Poison Ivy where I don't have to look at her crack head BTAS remixed look where she had that big head and no body... Poison Ivy's BTAS season 1 character design FTW.

Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man - Spidey makes a decison about him continuing to teach at the school, well I'm glad they didn't drag this one out....

Fantastic Four - Shows us the end of what went down in Amazing Spider-Man last week, and where Thing stands in Civil War.

Bought but haven't read - Gargoyles, Marvel Team-Up(Wolverine and Spidey on the cover...), 52, Devil May Cry 3 (okay I read this one already in pure Capcom fanboyism lol), Busou Renkin, and Golgo 13 #4 (last time Golgo 13 was hanging out with Nelson Mandela, that's crazy) .Got the 2007 Teen Titans cartoon calender (No Kid Flash page! Arg, least I got Mas y Menos and Speedy) and Ultimate Avengers the Movie 2 which I haven't watched yet.

In Didio's blurb at the end of Detective Comics, he said Richard Donner (Superman movie) is gonna help write Action comics. Man they just gotta work on Clark and Lois' super baby, to match up the movie-verse if you ask me... seriously though it's about freaking time Supe and Lois had a kid, did the movie Mallrats just scare the crap out of DC or something yeash...

orochizoolander

08-02-2006, 08:32 PM

I'm going to special order crisis on infinite earths:absolute edition from my local comic shop sometime this week and i'm gonna get infinite crisis HC when it comes out on sep 20 so are there any other essential or worthwhile crisis reads? cuz i know theres a shit load of preludes and important events that have occured beforehand so if i just stick with COIE and IC should i be ok in terms of understanding the main story plus the aftermath?

I'm a huge transformers/beastwars fan so can someone reccommend me some good HC books preferably about their origin and the beginning cuz since i'm new to comics i'd like to have a clear understanding from the beginning i'm not the type of guy who would just pickup a story arc from the middle unless i havea clear understanding of what has happened since the beginning.

Although i plan to collect the ultimate x-men HC books sometiem in the future i know theres a shitload of really good x-men reads in "normal" marvel continuity so i want some suggestions cuz i hear uncanny and astonishing are the 2 best x-men storys and are very different so whcih would b best for a new reader like me? I heard age of apocalypse is the best x-men story arc so are there any worthwhile HC's of significant events that i should read? Also as a wolverine fan i'd like to know if they're are any good HC's about his beginnings or just any good wolverine books in general, I looked up a HC called wolverine:enemy of the state complete edition comes out oct 11 n it looks really good so is it worth it? and what are the "must read" wolverine books?

WTF IS HOUSE OF M I BEEN HEARING ABOUT?...guess i'l have to wikipedia it.

1 Of my favorite super heroes ever is captain america and although i have the ultimates HC vol1 i was just wondering are there any good stand alone storys featuring just cap?

Is any1 else hyped about marvel zombies HC coming out a week from now? i been waiting a while for it and i HATE fantastic 4 i'm sorry they jus seem too gay for me but do i have to know what's going on in theere ultimate arc to udnerstand marvel zombies? n is it even in ultimate continuity?

How is the dmc comic?is it only in manga form? ...yes i cam a capcom fanboy

I appreciate any help i get.

box

08-02-2006, 08:43 PM

Zephyranthes

08-02-2006, 08:54 PM

For X-Men, just get Grant Morrison's New X-Men. It begins with E Is For Extinction and ends with Here Comes Tomorrow. That's pretty much all you need. The rest you can pick up after.

If you wanna read another X-Book that will blow your mind, I recommend getting the Milligan/Allred X-Force and X-Statix comics.

Captain America has had some cool comics, too. The best are the current ones written by Brubaker. Start with The Winter Soldier volume 1 (available in hardcover, as I see you're inclined to get comics in that format). Most of the Marvel Knights Cap volume was excellent, except for the last four issues. Captain America: The New Deal is the first of the MK run, and it has John Cassaday art, babeee. The other volumes got other awesome artists like Jae Lee and Chris Bachalo. Marvel Knights volumes 1-5, keep an eye out for those.

Truth: Red, White, and Black by Rob Morales and Kyle Baker is also an excellent read. It's a Captain America book that adds to his mythology.

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The best Wolverine story OF ALL TIME, though, is Origin, by a longshot. Written by Paul Jenkins. Clinty's a huge fan, he can take it from here.

ReggieHadoken

08-02-2006, 09:05 PM

Ultimate Spider-Man: Picked up the first two issues of Clone Saga. I'm confused but stoked. Can't wait for issue 100.

Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man: My comic shop has the 2122 Hobgoblin story arc so I plan to pick those up really soon. Picked up FNS #11 today. Funny cover. Reminds me of those off-beat Lee/Ditko stories that I read in the Essential Amazing Spider-Man books. Peter David is a very talented writer. Nice to see Mysterio back.

Civil War: This series is HOT!! Read CW #1-3 and the tie-ins in Amazing Spider-Man #532-534. I think Spidey is gonna join the rebels. No way his conscience will keep letting him go up against his fellow heroes like Captain America.

The Bucket Of Truth

08-03-2006, 01:32 AM

The best Wolverine story OF ALL TIME, though, is Origin, by a longshot. Written by Paul Jenkins. Clinty's a huge fan, he can take it from here.youre being sarcastic right? i havent read it yet but i thought it was agreed in this thread that it sucked balls

Sano

08-03-2006, 08:56 AM

youre being sarcastic right? i havent read it yet but i thought it was agreed in this thread that it sucked balls

Um, I'm guessing that the confusion here is "originS" the current ongoing series sucks agreed by everyone, "origin" is great. Unless I just forgot something, oh well least I have Zephy to back me up this time that Origin is a good read.

But "Origins" last ish wasn't so bad with Captain America and Wolverine throwing down, and there's supposed to be a huge suprise coming for him to make up for some of the early crappy issues.

Wolverine Recomendations - His original limited series where he goes to Japan is one of the best. Wolverine and Kitty Pride is a great follow up. Both available in trades. Not so much a comic as this one is mostly text, but Wolverine and Elektra is another great read, they even based the Elektra live action movie on this story and messed it up like only Hollywood could. Do I have to mention the original Weapon X as mandatory Wolvie fan reading? Loosely related to Wolverine but check out Texierra's Sabretooth limited series, you get to see his helper from the Capcom games, Birdy die. And how Graydon Creed was born, and something interesting about Sabretooth's past, for those who think Dog of Origins is Sabretooth.

But they are going to finally reveal Wolverine and Sabretooth's relationship soon...

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Devil May Cry 3 manga - Yeah, it's really good. The first book was better than the second book, because the first book was mostly Dante and he is funny as hell with his one liners and stuff. The second book was still fun with it being mostly Vergil though.

There was a Devil May Cry comic put out by Dreamwave, they only did 3 out of 4 issues until they went belly up. Those had nice artwork by Pat Lee, the problem with me is that they got Dante all wrong. He was waaaay to talkative, talked to himself, talked to monsters that didn't talk back, etc. I don't think they used a thought balloon in the entire book, he'd just be talking out loud all over the place, not being the cool one liner spitter outer he comes off as in the games. The manga definitly has the best take on Dante's character.

For storylines and stuff - The Dreamwave comic had the same story as the first game. The Devil May Cry manga is a prequel to Devil May Cry 3, Dante, Vergil and Mary are all in it.

And you might want to check out the novel too, mostly text from Tokyo Pop. It was written just after Devil May Cry 1 came out, (released in stores only a few months ago in the US) and was intended to be a prequel to Devil May Cry 1 with Capcom helping out and filling some holes in. But when Devil May Cry 3 came out it retconned the entire story out of existence. Still a few things in the novel did manage to work there way into Devil May Cry 3 (hard to say what was from Capcom and what was from the novel I suppose). Dante in this book is not quite how I picture him but a little better than Dreamwave's take on him. Vergil's the same more or less, except he wields a firearm which bugs Vergil fans, but a fun read for a novel.

It's interesting that all 3 Devil May Cry works have a character named Enzo, even though he was never in any of the 3 DMC games. In Dreamwave's comic he was a latino Bartender who used to work for Dante. In the novel he helped Dante find work and in the manga he helps Dante find work too, he's italian of what I can tell in both. Heh, maybe Devil May Cry 4 Enzo will finally make an appearance. Ah, screw him, more Lady please...

The Bucket Of Truth

08-03-2006, 09:04 AM

oic?

i wonder what carpet lint thinks about the whole wolvie origin story

Sano

08-03-2006, 10:15 AM

Lol, Origin to me is like a difficult book to talk about without giving the whole thing away, I feel like I've already said too much by mentioning Dog before... But the thing I liked about it most was that it revealed Wolverine's origin, but didn't reveal everything, there are a few questions that it brings up so Wolverine's past continues being a big mystery.

Zephyranthes

08-03-2006, 11:54 AM

Who knew an offhand comment would stir such debate as we await Clinty's magnificent post. I was being sarcastic when I said it, but y'know what they say... Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

I like Origin. Clinty hates it with a passion. I WAS trying to bait him... but it looks like my trap is spoiled, now.

TheDarkPhoenix

08-03-2006, 12:10 PM

Origin is a good book imo.

Also where the heck do you people by Variant Covers?

Pained Auron

08-03-2006, 01:17 PM

Origin is a good book imo.

Also where the heck do you people by Variant Covers?

ebay

FistsofFury

08-03-2006, 01:43 PM

But "Origins" last ish wasn't so bad with Captain America and Wolverine throwing down, and there's supposed to be a huge suprise coming for him to make up for some of the early crappy issues.

Yeah...the Origins comic writing wise is good..but the art lately is just terrible to me. I don't know what it is..but I don't like it.

Civil War is kicking ass. It has such far reach right now.

Apparently Quicksilver now has the power to restore the powers of mutants who lost them on M Day with just a touch. Bananas.

Sheng-Long

08-03-2006, 05:07 PM

Apparently Quicksilver now has the power to restore the powers of mutants who lost them on M Day with just a touch. Bananas.

...and in New Avengers, when that "Michael" character gave magneto all that collective power of mutants...makes me wonder if Mag's new powerset includes the ability to restore or bestow abilities like his son.

Carpet Lint

08-03-2006, 08:57 PM

The best Wolverine story OF ALL TIME, though, is Origin, by a longshot. Written by Paul Jenkins. Clinty's a huge fan, he can take it from here.
That's just HATEFUL.

Lol, "by a longshot" - fuck you.

This time I'm going to save what I think about Origin this time and keep it in a text file somewhere on my computer, along with other popular requests from The Best of Carpet Lint album featuring such other classics as "Why you should buy FAAAABLES!!!1111" and "Angry rantings about Bendis' pacing."

But first I'm going to say how much I loved Invincible this month, just so that I don't appear like a comic hating elitist *** that turns his nose up at everything popular. I mean, I AM a comic hating elitist ***, but I don't always want to appear like that.

Thanks to the guy who was pimping out Robert Kirkman so hard earlier in this thread. I think it was Rogue####, but I don't remember.

Let met just say, first of all, that there's absolutely nothing wrong with having read, or enjoyed Origin. I'm not intolerate of other people's opinions, and I won't make fun of you for doing that. I will just silently judge and proclaim you a faggot of the highest order, SILENTLY, to myself.

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They shouldn't have made Origin in the first place, that was the problem.

And if you weren't going to let Pre-Crisis Chris Claremont and Frank Miller write it, then why would you let anyone else write it? I remember reading an interview with Claremont (was this back in Wizard, before it sucked?) where he said that Wolverine's origin story should never be told unless it was the greatest Wolverine story of all time.

...guess they kinda missed on that one.

Would have helped if Origin was at least a good story, but they missed on that one as well. I think Paul Jenkins immediately jumped at the chance to write Wolvie's origin story, then spent the next five months hanging out with Joe Mad, realized this Origin deadline was coming, and then just pulled an all-nighter to hand Joe Q a passable story.

I guess I can't blame him, I've done that a couple times myself. But I always do really bad on those. They knew they could have just taken a dump on a couple of McDonald's napkins for Origin, and it would sell like hotcakes. And they knew. And they did. And it did.

Maybe not so much today, after Wolverine's been completely overused appearing in nine books a month for the last sixteen years, but he used to be the baddest motherfucker in comics. Wolverine used to be the asshole, not Batman. That's how it was when I got hooked and comics ruined my life.

And if you were there during those times, if Wolverine was ever - even for a brief moment in your life - your favourite comic book character, how could you possibly enjoy Origin? It was mentally scarring to discover what pussy young Wolverine was. Allergies? Sniffles? WOLVERINE WORE PAJAMAS!?! Fuck that shit. The Wolverine I grew up with wouldn't have cried like a bitch when he first popped his claws - he would gone "Huh, look at that.", used it to clip off the end of the cigar he had in his pocket, run outside, chase down a deer, and bite its throat out.

At least he's Canadian. Not a total pussy.

And what about his awesome samurai/ninja training in Japan? How come he's called Patch? What about his Department H/SHIELD/CIA/Weapon X stuff? How's he know Nick Fury? What's the backstory with Viper or Silver Fox? Alpha Flight? Maverick? Sabretooth? ...you know, all the INTERESTING things that you would think would be in a Wolverine origin story?

Nothing. The entire story is a bunch of no name fucks that speak Victorian for the entire thing, six issues that accomplish absolutely nothing but waste your time and money.

So what was the point of telling "the story that could never be told"? Did the character benefit at all, was the story of Wolverine improved, was there something current writers could build upon? Nope. All that happened was we figured out Wolverine's name was "James", he was a fucking pussy, and where he gets his redhead fetish from. They managed to actually TAKE AWAY from the character while adding absolutely nothing.

And please - raise your hand - those that did not see Wolverine accidentally killing Rose with his new claws as soon as she appeared aka THE FIRST FUCKING ISSUE!?! Don't tell me if you raised your hand, because then we can no longer be friends.

So...the fat guy? Dog? That bearded guy? Which one's Sabretooth? We don't get to know? Okay, thanks for FUCKING NOTHING PAUL JENKINS

Why was this story written? So that they could sell fifty thousand $70 variant covers of shitty comics books.

The art was nice, but nothing happened at any point in that series, so it doesn't even matter.

Making it even worse is that House of M bullshit, where they just casually threw in that plot twist of Wolverine remembering everything ever in his life. THAT was the biggest thing that happened in that story, not that crap with the mutants and the giant energy wave heading towards Alaska SLOWLY SLOWLY SLOWLY for sixteen pages.

They dedicated two panels to the most important plot twist in House of M, they forgot about it at the end of the story, the character has just had the biggest development of his entire history and it's like it didn't even happen. Barely, if any, follow-up in any X-book after the fact.

That House of M throwaway bit could have been worse than all of Origin - Infinite Crisis isn't looking like the worse of the two anymore.

Fuck Paul Jenkins, fuck Joe Q, fuck Bill Jemas, fuck Marvel, fuck Origin, and fuck that pansy ass Wolverine for being such a bitch when he was a kid.

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So much...hate...can't...hold it in...HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO BAIT ME AGAIN ZEPHY!?! Everytime.

DAAAAAMN YOOOOOUUUU TAAAAAA HEEEEELL!!!

Zephyranthes

08-03-2006, 09:55 PM

What, I thought the Victorian England depiction of Canada was realistic and highly accurate to real life. I've never been to Canada and I'm not sure if I've ever seen a picture of it, but I assume the comic is accurate. It made Canada seem like an AWESOME place to visit.

In fact, after I read Origin, I bought Wuthering Heights and a few Jane Austen novels in an attempt to recapture the same feelings I had from reading Jenkins' masterstroke. None of them came close, though. I mean, I just about cried my heart out when that mean old twit DOG killed James' poor puppy!

Anyone who hates Origin is surely the most evil-hearted, puppy-hating, anti-pajama motherfucker on the planet.

........ Now I'd like to hear Clinty's rant on Wolverine: The End.

Sano

08-04-2006, 09:20 AM

Finally watched Ultimate Avengers 2. Not bad, I liked the first one better as this one is going off in it's own direction and the last one was closer to the comic. At least this time we get death and red blood YES! It's cool and all but I don't think DC has anything to worry about in their super-hero cartoon dominance. Oh and the MVC2 Marvel characters in this cartoon kind of jumps from 3 - Captain America, Hulk and Iron Man - to 4, disregarding Thor's MVC1 Assist status of course and that's all I can say. There's a nice interview on the DVD with Millar, Hynch and Quesada talking about the Ultimate Avengers comic book. The funniest part was when they talked about how they got in trouble with French people when they had Captain America say "This A on my head doesn't stand for France!" :rofl: Then they talked about making the second cartoon and upcoming projects. They are making a spin off cartoon of Ultimate Iron Man that will include his origin, and another cartoon for Dr. Strange with the Ultimate-like approach.

Gargoyles issue 1 - Not bad but not what I was expecting. It was a straight up word for word image for image of the first episode that aired on Saturday morning for the last season. You know, after they public finds out who the Gargoyles are, that they are living with Xanatos, the guy who creamed Goliath with a pie joins up with those anti-Gargoyle sledge hammer dudes, pretty much EXACTLY the same. They said in the issue that the first 2 issues will retell this story as a starting point for people that are not familiar with Gargoyles, and issue 3 will be new ground, a new story. Which makes me wonder if all of the comics are going to take place within the last season of Gargoyles, which isn't what I wanted to see, I'd rather it take place after the last episode of Gargoyles. I guess it depends on how well issue 3 is written in the end though.

52 Spoiler -----

What? Is Ralph crazy or did his wife Sue really come back to life for a little while? Nah, I'm going with him going psycho....

Zephyranthes

08-04-2006, 09:43 AM

With the Gargoyles cartoon, Greg Weissman (I forget if I spell his name properly, but you know who I'm talking about) got booted off the show after he did the first episode of Season 3. So all that Season 3 stuff was basically crap, which was why it sucked so much compared to the first two Seasons. I guess with the comic, he's looking to right some wrongs by doing something closer to what he'd originally envisioned.

Sano

08-04-2006, 09:54 AM

orochizoolander

08-04-2006, 10:49 AM

2 days ago i picked up absolute watchmen, absolute hush, batman:gothic, 300, civil war:young avengers n runaways #1, eternals 1 n 2.

Hush is the best fucking thing i ever read it was better then dkr and year:one in my opinion and so man ycrazy ass things happened batman kicked supermans ass (kind of) cat n bats going out the clayface trick 2face is a goodguy and bat's enemies working together to mentally fuck him up i know this is a love it or hate it story but i was blown away...is this story in continuity

civil war young avengers n runaways was pretty good and i'm a big patriot fan so i'm glad they portrayed hi mas the leader he should be.

eternals 1 n 2...umm i bought this expecting huge fights between some of marvels most powerful characters but what i got instead were a bunch of immortal bitches getting fucked up by the pathetic deviants and needing the celestials to rescue them. Then i thought about it for a while n realized that issue 1 was laying the basic backstory for readers who were previously unfamiliar with the eternals and it did a good job of explaining the history without losing pace and issue2 showed how mark is slowly starting to discover his powers so it's obvious by issue3 he attempts to save ikaris and theres gonan b a huge throwdown of soemkind where we get to see eternals actually fight so overall i really like eternals.

started to read gothic and the supernatural element to the batman story is a nice change i think batman:gothic is a must have for any fan of batman nt beacuse it's an amazing story but because the whole concept is genius and the art really does reflect a gothic setting and the story itself while not amazing is still pretty solid.

I love the splash pages of 300 the art was beautiful it's the kind of book that when u buy it u know EXACTLY what ur getting: soliders internal struggle, greek political corruption, and the goodguys fighting overwhleming odds and thw writing was excellent frank miller and lyn varley while great in their own right make an even better team complimenting each other.

No i haven't read absolute watchmen yet but i'm saving it for last after i finish gothic n 300 cuz according to srk and popular public opinion watchmen is the undisputed best thing ever created in all of comic history.

Also can any1 reccommend me any transformers or beastwars HC's about their origins or beginnings or anything worthwhile about them?

Can someone plz explain wtf house of M is?

I apprecuate all the suggestions but because of the debate u guys r having i still dunno what x-men and wolvie storys i should b reading so are there any reads that are so good they're universally accepted? Soem of u say origins is good some say it's bad so on that nm everything else can i get a final verdict?

The Bucket Of Truth

08-04-2006, 11:17 AM

Adam Warlock

08-04-2006, 11:20 AM

whoa hold on there, better than DKR? unless youre talking about the art (lol dkr art suxzorz) lay down the crack pipe. it had its moments but it wasn't anything epic like DKR. come on man, DKRs "You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table" owns everything in hush. i thought it was a little silly in hush when clayface came into it as Jason todd, i mean old robin...or whatever

anyway if you want epic you should check out this, just ask carpet lint

lol@ how long supes arms are.

m121akuma

08-04-2006, 11:47 AM

I'm finally reading the original Crisis on Infinite Earths. Yeah, I'm that fucking late. Oh well, it's pretty durn good.

Edit: Just finished. Darkseid was a fuckin' G.

DeathScythe

08-04-2006, 03:47 PM

Hush is the best fucking thing i ever read it was better then dkr and year:one in my opinion and so man ycrazy ass things happened batman kicked supermans ass (kind of) cat n bats going out the clayface trick 2face is a goodguy and bat's enemies working together to mentally fuck him up i know this is a love it or hate it story but i was blown away...is this story in continuity

Better than Year: One? Are you kidding me man? If anything, Year: One paved the way for all the Batman goodness we've been having and Year: One came out in the eighties. That goes to show how influential a story like that can be.

Hush was so full of....hmm....good art. Thats about it. It was more of a rundown of Bat's Rogues Gallery than anything else. No real plot other than the return of Jason Todd for a few short panels until it was revealed to be Clayface. Too much good art but no real storyline to show off this good art.

Go read Batman: The Long Halloween and Dark Victory for a much better Batman experience.

Anyway, as for my week of comics:

Y: The Last Man - OK. There are rumors that I've been hearing that this book is ending with issue 60. Can anyone confirm this? I think my friend is a fucking liar and needs to be shot. If Y ends then I'm gonna be lost and most likely dead for the next few months until something good comes along. Anyway, good issue and it explained why Tse'Leon is the way she is. She was so gonna blow that Pakistani kid.

Detective Comics: Paul Dini is just writing up some great shit right now. I'm loving his take on Batman right now and I love the fact that the playboy/undercover Bruce Wayne is back. I was really getting tired of the paranoid/jerk Batman after it was becoming a staple in every issue. Granted he can still be a dick, but now he's a dick in a good way.

Uncanny Xmen: Ed Brubaker is the fucking man. Its just too good. The fact that he made a reasonable explanation as to why Vulcan was able to speak in space to the Shi'Ar soldier was so simple and so good. And now shit is gonna go down next month between Gladiator and Vulcan. I hope Gladiator actually does something. He usually jobs.

52 Week 13: I didn't like it. Ralph Dibny going insane just because Sue came back to life for like 2 minutes. After Ralph was becoming one of my favorite DC characters during Identity Crisis and I was digging him in 52. Damnit man. Also, in the last page of this issue the DC Nation editorial by Dan DiDio hints towards Barry Allen. Will he return? This is gonna either suck or be the greatest thing since Hal's return.

Ultimate Spiderman: What the fuck is going on here!? Clones. Gwen alive. MJ kidnapped by a future(?)/clone of Pete? It all leads back to OSCORP where she is being held. Ultimate Spider-woman? Its just bonkers at the moment. Too much info to swallow courtesy of Bendis.

Fantastic Four Civi War tie-in: Pretty good. At least we know what's Ben's take on this whole ordeal. So where is he heading? To Canada? That seems to be the closest place right now to head to.

Pained Auron

08-04-2006, 04:33 PM

carpet lint, post up your rant on bendis

Zephyranthes

08-04-2006, 05:26 PM

Here's the abridged version of Clinty's Bendis Rant:

"What the fuck are parentheses doing in word balloons? Fuck Bendis."

orochizoolander

08-04-2006, 06:40 PM

OK LOL i take back the statement of hush being better then dkr n year one i was jus caught up in how many WTF moments there were and how awsm it was to see a new enemy who could manipulate batmans rogue gallery to decieve him the entire time and all the evets in hush came together so fucking well it had a really good flow plus the art was great.

I don't know if i like dkr or year one better cuz they're both very very different and yet toptier at the same time while year one was an amazing introduction to the birth of batman and his partnership with gordon dkr had a gritty depressing yet truthful setting and lol yeah that line about the mudhole was godtier! So for now i'm undecided on which i liked better.

I already have halloween n victory both were equally great cuz they;re were no gimmicks it was a straight-up murder mystery of the highest calibur I KNEW it was dents wife as soon as calnder said: "she does it cuz it makes him happy" but i don't think any1 could have ever guessed that sophia was the hangman.

........I have a question that stil confuses me about halloween cuz there were 2 holidays gilda and alberto and gilda said her first victim was johnny who was the second victim of the holiday murders so that means she killed all the holiday vitims except the first n alberto who only killed the first guy n faked his own death so wasn't alberto confused when ppl were dieing to the holiday killer? he didn't say anythign about it except that he was holiday so WTF?

Pained Auron

08-04-2006, 08:33 PM

batgirl fans, you are gonna be happy

Asked about seeing the Cassandra Cain Batgirl again, Johns said that she is the Batgirl in the upcoming “Titans East” stryline in Teen Titans.

Wellman

08-04-2006, 10:23 PM

batgirl fans, you are gonna be happy

Sadly this is the best news I have had in 48 hours.

Shadowhaxor

08-05-2006, 06:49 AM

Finally watched Ultimate Avengers 2. [/COLOR]

WTF??? I thought this wasn't out til the 8th?

Pained Auron

08-05-2006, 10:02 AM

WTF??? I thought this wasn't out til the 8th?

oh the wonders of bit torrent

Pained Auron

08-05-2006, 10:12 AM

Here's the abridged version of Clinty's Bendis Rant:

"What the fuck are parentheses doing in word balloons? Fuck Bendis."

i wonder what his reaction is gonna be when he hears that he got ANOTHER book. he's doing an illuminati mini, and its supposed to take place during the major conflicts in 616 (kree-skrull war) adn shit like that. i bet bendis turns it into a talking heads mini. which would suck, seeing as how jimmy cheung is doing the art. minor spoiler for this series : the illuminati are outed to their respective families, and we get to see their reactions.

oh yea, loeb/turner are doing an ultimate wolverine mini

archetype

08-05-2006, 10:34 AM

i copped Earth X today. Whats up with hulk vs. wolv?

Pained Auron

08-05-2006, 10:44 AM

i copped Earth X today. Whats up with hulk vs. wolv?

got delayed cause of lost

FreddyL0c0

08-05-2006, 11:33 AM

Taskmaster is funny

Pained Auron

08-05-2006, 07:02 PM

more news from ww chicago

# A few moments later, speaking about the scheduling of the final Ultimates 2 issues, Quesada explained the series was originally supposed to end with issue #12, but when Mark Millar’s original script arrived it was 36 pages long. Millar and Hitch both insisted they needed the extra issues, and it eventually went up to 44 pages, when it was then split into two separate issues, and the extra 13th issues was announced.

Since then, the revised script to #12 came in at 26 pages, at which time Hitch called Marvel and explained he needed 36 pages to draw that issue. So what was once a 22-page issue #12 is currently (and for the moment) a 36-page #12 and a #22-page issue #13.

Asked to clarify Grant Morrison’s Marvel Boy showing up in Young Avengers/Runaways, when many fans thought it was implied he was an Ultimate Universe character, Quesada said it was never specified what Universe the character existed in.

DeathScythe

08-05-2006, 07:10 PM

oh the wonders of bit torrent

Not even. I saw it at my local comic shop already on sale.

bill_rizer

08-05-2006, 07:11 PM

Actually orochizoolander I liked HUSH very much also, you should'nt change your mind just cos the masses dont agree.

That applies to anything, people on SRK sometimes just like to go with the flow, like the SOAP effect.

Zephyranthes

08-05-2006, 08:15 PM

I don't think anyone is saying that he can't like Hush more than Year One or DKR. I think the "masses" in this venerable thread are just saying he made a mistake in saying that Hush is BETTER than Year One or DKR.

Sano

08-06-2006, 07:30 AM

WTF??? I thought this wasn't out til the 8th?

Not even. I saw it at my local comic shop already on sale.

Yeah, I got mine from Midtown Comics, it's out.

P. Gorath

08-06-2006, 09:39 PM

i read the first 2 of the 3 frank miller daredevil visionaries. first volume was alright, second was better. I had no idea that the library carried graphic novels.

Sheng-Long

08-06-2006, 10:29 PM

i read the first 2 of the 3 frank miller daredevil visionaries. first volume was alright, second was better. I had no idea that the library carried graphic novels.

I have no idea why going to the library has such a negative stigma anyway. Might as well use what the taxes pay for. I've been recommending it since the beginning. It's the only way I could've read out of print GNs like Lynda Barry's stuff plus they carry all the essential books (Sandman, Preacher, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Watchmen, DKR, etc.)

box

08-06-2006, 11:08 PM

Just saw Ultimate Avengers 2.

I didn't really like it. I actually liked Ultimate Avengers 1 better.

The Bucket Of Truth

08-07-2006, 12:37 AM

archetype

08-07-2006, 04:28 AM

Anyone reading ION or GL Corps ive been feelin corps for a while. Its has a sci fi feel to it. The different worlds they go to and the stories and characters is nice. Earth X is great too.

box

08-07-2006, 09:19 AM

the cartoon? holy shit the first one sucked ass

capt america: guys i dont know what to do, you should have just left me in the ice. omg plz listen to me, oh man what do i do???

what a fucking emo ***. and who took down the hulk in the end? black widow....who the fuck is she compared to all the other avenegers? what a piece of shit

Yeah the 1st one was pretty bad.

But the 2nd one ain't any better.

And yes... Captain America is still emo.

You'd think that after ultimate Avengers 1, they'd start acting like a team. But in UA2, they still have the same problems. Cap A feels out of time, Ironman is a glory hog, Giant Man only looks out for himself... different movie, same problems. It's like they never learned anything at all even though it seemed like they got it together in the ending of UA1.

angelpalm

08-07-2006, 09:53 AM

um, where is the hulk?

m121akuma

08-07-2006, 12:27 PM

um, where is the hulk?
In space.

DeathScythe

08-11-2006, 09:49 PM

*Bump*

Post will be later edited for weekly book reading.

archetype

08-12-2006, 11:51 PM

ReggieHadoken

08-13-2006, 12:17 AM

OK, guys, how is 52? A buddy of mine has been telling me about it. Says its a must read. But I'm not really a DC guy but I'm a bit intrigued to check it out.

Speaking of DC, I just picked up the first DC Showcase Superman. It's got over 500 pages of 1950s era Superman, including fights with Mxlplixz, Brainiac, Metallo, Luthor and Bizaro. For $10, it was hard to pass up.

I also picked up Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #8-10. Haven't read 'em yet but I know of the story. Alternate reality Uncle Ben, Hobgoblin from 2211, and an alternate reality Spider-Man. I'm confused but stoked.

box

08-13-2006, 12:49 AM

God damn...Earth X totally mind raped me. I really enjoyed that a lot!! LIke a few things I don't get like...

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how did franklin become Galactus?

end spoilers

Picked up walking dead vol 2
and new avengers 16 btw

I haven't read Earth X in a while... so I may be a little off but I'll try my best. I think they mention somewhere in the book how there are 3 stages of mutations. The first stage is getting your own unique powers. The majority of earth is at this stage. The 2nd stage is when everyone on the planet gets the same power. The skrulls with their shape shifting were at the 2nd stage of the mutation. The 3rd stage is when the inhabitants of planet become shapeless... and are formed by the imaginations and thoughts of their surroundings. The asgardians and Franklin Richard were part of this 3rd stage. After Galactus died, Reed knew that the universe needed a Galactus to keep the Celestials in check. So he convinced Franklin (who was in the 3rd stage) that he was Galactus and he became so.

Again... I'm a little rusty... so I may be a bit off, but I think that was it.

archetype

08-13-2006, 12:57 AM

Yeah man thx, I remember all that talk about the stages but i don't remember Reed talking to franklin since he hadn't seen him in years cuz he was in seclusion. Ima give the book a good once over again. Thx!

Foleyeffect

08-13-2006, 01:02 AM

Does anyone know if Alan Moore is working on any projects?

SuicidalGrandpa

08-13-2006, 01:08 AM

So, after reading 2 issues of the new Flash, I can safely say I'm very done with that series.

Raz0r

08-13-2006, 01:11 AM

52 is pretty slow. It's supposed to pick up in the next few weeks, though. I came in at about issue 5 but I've been enjoying it a lot. I'm glad I have a weekly comic series to entertain me.

Anyone read Martian Manhunter #1? Man is he pimp now. I like what he's become.

So, after reading 2 issues of the new Flash, I can safely say I'm very done with that series.

It's supposed to pick up after issue #4 where they explain exactly what happens with the speed force. The series is not well-thoughtout right now but I have faith that it will pick up. (It must really or there is no God.)

SuicidalGrandpa

08-13-2006, 01:17 AM

Well, I've always liked Flash, but this book sucks major dick so far. I guess i'll have to get 3 if it's picking up at 4 though...more money down the drain.

Raz0r

08-13-2006, 01:32 AM

lol @ buying comics

kingofkod

08-13-2006, 05:27 AM

lol @ buying comics

Well, it does help them keep getting made.....

Sano

08-13-2006, 06:25 AM

My memory is super fuzzy on the whole Earth X / Planet X ordeal too, but there is a Fantastic Four Earth X comic book that specifically deals only with Franklin Richards becoming Galactus, you may want to track that one down, check your comic book shops' Earth X back bins if they have them. Short explanation, don't forget that Franklin Richards can do whatever the hell he wants to. After the Onslaught incident he did create another Planet Earth for the heroes to live in after all. But yeah Mr. Fantastic manipulated him to be Galactus and all.

Last week stuff, slight spoilers -

There was a Spider-Man and Amazing Friends comic that came out. It had an Iceman, Firestar and Spider-Man story that took place in 616, it even listed when it happened, before an issue of Web of Spider-Man or other. They fought Video Man from the old Spider-Man and Amazing Friends cartoon! Video Man had about 3 seperate origins in Amazing Friends, but it looked like they went with either A) Electro creating him or B) A thunderbolt hitting an arcade machine because he was a villain in the story. There was another Amazing Friends episode where he was good and they left him with the X-Men as they could train him, well that story is the hardest fit for 616 anyway. In the comic Firestar and Iceman dated, for 2 seconds! The story took place while Spider-Man and Mary Jane were married. Good comic, made me get all nostalgic over the 80s. The book also had some reprints including a reprent of Spider-Man 2099 issue 2, a Spider-Man 'Marvel-Mini' comedic story and another gag story by Fred Hembreck! Fred Hembreck used to do comic gags for Marvel Age waaaay back in the day in the 80s. Marvel Age was like Marvel's version of Wizard before Wizard came to be. Fred Hembreck also did one Spider-Ham story before too.

Ms. Marvel - Ha ha, Julia Spider-Woman AKA Arachne was playing double agent working under Iron Man but going against registration on the low, but they found out and now she's on the run. She's prolly gonna side with Cap since Cap has a severe lack of non teeny bopper females on his side, he's got Dagger and that's it.

Wolverine Origins - Great issue! They finally started dropping lots of stuff on Wolverine's past, I'm glad I stuck with it. Next issue Omega Red will finally return, he hasn't been spotted in about a year now. This issue they touched on the whole Silver Fox / Sabretooth thing and followed up on the story of Wolverine's pregnant Japanese wife killed long ago by Bucky from the Wolverine's main comic. And added yet another wrinkle, MAJOR SPOILER ----

Seems like the baby survived this attack due to an early/advanced healing factor and the government has him, is using him and he hates Wolverine, of course. Wolvie and him haven't met just yet. Wow, between this and Batman having a kid in Morrison Batman (still wondering if mini Bat Kid is Ibn Xu Fax Machine whatever of Kingdom Come, Talia and Batman's seed) looks like 2006 is the year the bad asses of both Marvel and DC have bastard children...

HeaT

08-13-2006, 10:29 AM

im reading the dark knight strikes again, hella good, not sure if it is as good as the dark knight returns but it is damn good...

has anyone read batman: black and white?...

im outi

Roberth

P. Gorath

08-13-2006, 10:41 AM

im reading batman city of crime tpb and essential punisher. both are good so far, city of crime very. im going to have a nice rant about bat-fans later after i finish.

essential punisher has been out long enough to really have warranted a second volume by now. the first is basically all spider-man issues and there are plenty of punisher books to get through

SuicidalGrandpa

08-13-2006, 11:17 AM

lol @ buying comics

Yeah, I like to support comic books rather than get them off the internet.

m121akuma

08-13-2006, 01:08 PM

ReggieHadoken

08-13-2006, 01:29 PM

I just like the feeling of a comic in my hands. If something doesn't interest me THAT terribly much, but is "important", I'll likely read it in the store without buying it, but in general, unless it's really old back issues not in TPB form (like all of Deadpool and Agent X), I like reading physical comics. It's very satisfying.

Well-said, dude, well-said. I started reading comic books when I was 13 but now that I'm older (I'm 25) I feel like I have a better appreciation towards comics.

I've thought about picking up some Essential Daredevil books. Those worth a read? I've always been intrigued by the character but hear that DD didn't really get all that popular until Frank Millar started a run on the book. Basically, what I want to know is, are the first few decades of DD worth seeing? I'm a Spider-Man guy but don't mind checking out other characters.

Speaking of Spider-Man, I'm on the 20th issue in Essential Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man. After the suckfest that was issues 12-15, the book is at last interesting again. Can't wait to get into Carrion.

Raz0r

08-13-2006, 01:44 PM

Yeah, I like to support comic books rather than get them off the internet.

I buy comics, just a very very small amount of them. At my age it's more about where to keep them rather than getting as many as I can. Being able to download scans clears up clutter. Also, many comics just aren't good. Some story arcs (House of M, for example) are shit and are not interesting. The current comics I buy right now are Civil War comics and Flash. Flash is almost out of that loop and going to be replaced by 52 if it picks up.

Zephyranthes

08-13-2006, 04:45 PM

Does anyone know if Alan Moore is working on any projects?

The only upcoming Alan Moore project I know of is a League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen original graphic novel. It's gonna be called The Black Dossier, and it will again feature Kevin O'Neill doing the artwork. The Black Dossier is most likely gonna be one of the best comics all year. They're going all out on the production, too. According to the reports, it'll be hardcover; it'll come with a "Tijuana Bible" style insert minicomic; it'll have a 3-D section that comes with glasses; and it will probably have maps and other such esoteric things. So it sounds like it's gonna be like the final issue of Promethea- it's a comic, but it's gonna be much more as well. This LoEG book should be out in October or November. It's already been delayed a few times, so we should just be patient.

I think the Lost Girls collected edition is supposed to come out at the end of this month, too.

Sano

08-13-2006, 10:50 PM

Heat - I talked a little about Batman Black & White a few posts back. Very good books, you should check them out.

Batman Black and White 1 & 2, both of these books are great. You get to see a slew of comic book legends doing short B&W Batman stories (it's almost like a crash course of comic book history) plus a Bruce Tim Batman Two Face story, plus a Katsuhiro Otomo (Akira) Batman story, a kick ass Alex Ross black and white drawing of Batman's all scarred up back, and this is just in the first book! Too much goodness for me to give away.

Zephyranthes

08-13-2006, 11:10 PM

I love it when sano quotes himself. I hear double the James Earl Jones in my head as I read his post.

archetype

08-14-2006, 12:47 AM

Just picked up Universe X vol 1 and 2.

Khaotika!

08-14-2006, 06:49 AM

The Bucket Of Truth

08-14-2006, 07:25 AM

i thought fables vol 1. was a great read with all the prince charming pimping, jacks scamming and snow whites shoddy past brought up with the dwarves

hey have they explained the deal with that yet? i stopped reading fables around the time they hired mowgli to catch bigby

Khaotika!

08-14-2006, 09:25 AM

i thought fables vol 1. was a great read with all the prince charming pimping, jacks scamming and snow whites shoddy past brought up with the dwarves

Charming was great, and I loved that White hated anyone mentioning the dwarves. :wgrin: It's the pacing that kills; for instance, I would have put the shots of Rose Red's apt as the first pages, instead of near the end of the first issue, to reel you in. The Jack running from taxi to the offices opening just didn't pack any sort of resonance with me; and from there, you are introduced to the other characters... slowly...

I'd have introduced the "we can't let normals know our world exists" right at the crime scene. Someone could have said "We need Bigby for this one.." and THEN cut to Jack in the taxi and his panic. Snow and Bigby would be introduced, and the reader would go "oh, this is Bigby... wonder what his deal is..."

Just a thought.

Sano

08-14-2006, 09:26 AM

I love it when sano quotes himself. I hear double the James Earl Jones in my head as I read his post.

I just do that 'cuz I'm lazy. :rofl:

Adam Warlock

08-14-2006, 09:29 AM

ChairHome

08-14-2006, 09:31 AM

I buy comics, just a very very small amount of them. At my age it's more about where to keep them rather than getting as many as I can. Being able to download scans clears up clutter. Also, many comics just aren't good. Some story arcs (House of M, for example) are shit and are not interesting. The current comics I buy right now are Civil War comics and Flash. Flash is almost out of that loop and going to be replaced by 52 if it picks up.

lol @ backpeddling

The Bucket Of Truth

08-14-2006, 09:53 AM

Explained which deal yet?in the first volume of fables beauty was frustrated with snow so she brought up the dwarves. boy blue then asked them to leave to avoid dramas. wasnt there spose to be a backstory behind this that they were going to explain later on or did they just scrap the idea?

Zephyranthes

08-14-2006, 11:31 AM

Willingham said there'll be a story about why Snow White doesn't talk about the dwarves in the upcoming OGN.

I don't think Fables is slow-paced, though, especially in Legends In Exile. I think the pacing is deliberate in the first volume. The story is in the noirish, detective story vein, and the way it's presented feels very intentional. It's one of the few comics detective stories that actually has little clues strewn about, and it introduces you to the suspects quickly, right off the bat; it doesn't try to cheat you as a reader.

DeathScythe

08-14-2006, 02:54 PM

Am I the only here that is enjoying Kurt Busieks run on Superman? I'm really liking it. A lot. And 52 seems to be getting interesting right now with Montoya and The Question entering Black Adam's playing field. Thats gonna get good really fast. And Dr. Morrow escaping his cell doesn't help either.

Ultimate Spiderman Annual #2 was the shit. Crazy action. And Daredevil. Ultimate Frank Castle is completely nuts. Bashing prisoners skulls in with a fucking tray.

Raz0r

08-14-2006, 03:37 PM

And they took away his utensils!

ReggieHadoken

08-14-2006, 10:58 PM

Oooooooohhhhhkay. Just got done reading the Jumping The Tracks story arc in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #8-10. Good arc, but man, has it left me confused. We have alternate reality Uncle Ben wandering around in regular Spidey's reality? Snap. Man, is that gonna complicate things. And on top of that, he actually shot 2211 Spidey! So I guess we have an Uncle Ben that's actually willing to kill. Can't wait to see what Peter David does with this character in future isssues. FNS is now one of my fave Spidey books. Also, I loved the homeage covers of FNS #'s 9-10.:wonder:

Rioting Soul

08-15-2006, 02:39 PM

Just bought Civil War #1, I'm gonna read it when I finish these nachos..

Pained Auron

08-15-2006, 03:47 PM

In information released to comic book retailers Tuesday, Marvel has announced that issue #4 and 5 of their hugely successful Civil War series are being delayed.

Civil War #4 [and all its variant cover editions], originally scheduled to be released tomorrow, is now scheduled for September 20th. Issue #5 and all its variants, originally scheduled for next month, is now scheduled for November 15th.

And because of the nature of the storyline, the delays in the main series will affect the related and tie-in titles, like Civil War: Front Line.

In the announcement, Marvel wrote:

“Over the next few weeks, the Civil War proper title and a few of the tie in books that are closely related to the story in the main book will be shipping later than originally planned. In an attempt to accommodate the creative team of Millar and McNiven and keep the artistic integrity and high standards of the event, we will be shifting the following titles:

CIVIL WAR 4 (JUN061952; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER VARIANT (JUN061953; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (APR068201; $2.00) moves to 9/20
FANTASTIC FOUR 540 (JUN061961; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 6 (JUN061955; $2.99) moves to 9/27
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 535 (JUN061938; $2.99) moves to 9/27

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 7 (JUL061956; $2.99) moves to 10/11

CIVIL WAR 5 (JUL061952; $2.99) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR 5 TURNER VARIANT (JUL061953; $2.99) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR 5 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (JUL061954; $2.00) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 8 (JUL061957; $2.99) moves to 11/22
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 1 (JUL061988; $2.99) moves to 11/22
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 1 (Black and White) (JUL061989; $2.99) moves to 11/22
FANTASTIC FOUR 541 (JUL061965; $2.99) moves to 11/22
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 536 (JUL061941; $2.99) moves to 11/22

CIVIL WAR 6 (AUG062033; $2.99) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR 6 TURNER VARIANT (AUG062034; $2.99) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR 6 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (AUG062035; $2.00) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 9 (AUG062036; $2.99) moves to 12/20
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 2 (AUG062066; $2.99) moves to 12/28

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 10 (AUG062037; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 537 (AUG062018; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07
FANTASTIC FOUR 542 (AUG062045; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07
CIVIL WAR 7 moves to 1/17, Not yet solicited
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 538 Not yet solicited
FANTASTIC FOUR 543 moves to 1/24/07, Not yet solicited

NEW ADDITIONS TO THE CIVIL WAR CHECKLIST!

BLACK PANTHER 23 CW December 2006
CIVIL WAR: WAR CRIMES December 2006 ONE SHOT

BLACK PANTHER 24 CW January 2007

BLACK PANTHER 25 CW February 2007
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 11 February 2007
Also, starting in November some Marvel will be branded as “Casualties of War” -- similar to how they branded titles as “Spider-Man Unmasked” and “Road to Civil War”. Those titles are:

MOON KNIGHT 7

In December

CAPTAIN AMERICA: WINTER SOLDIER SPECIAL
IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA SPECIAL
MOON KNIGHT 8

In January 2007
BLADE 5
MOON KNIGHT 9
“The need for these shifts came about as the September [for November shipping product] Marvel Previews #37 was going to press and we were not able to make adjustments,” reads Marvel’s explanation to retailers. “The December Marvel Previews will reflect the changes and additions. At this point we do not anticipate further changes to the schedule. We apologize for the inconvenience but feel that this is in the best interest of the quality of the event and for retailers to continue to realize the immense sales for these books. We are announcing these shifts early enough in the hopes that retailers can adjust their buying patterns for the next few months. Also, we hope the addition of a few more key Civil War titles will make up for any lost sales that result from these moves.”

Look for more information regarding these changes as it becomes available.

GODDAMIT MARVEL

bill_rizer

08-15-2006, 03:52 PM

Ok im confused now, I was planning on reading Civil War I thought it was a series of comics, can someone tell me what exactly I need to read? Are those above really important to the storyline?

Pained Auron

08-15-2006, 05:53 PM

Ok im confused now, I was planning on reading Civil War I thought it was a series of comics, can someone tell me what exactly I need to read? Are those above really important to the storyline?

yes they are

Zephyranthes

08-15-2006, 08:33 PM

No, I think you can easily get by just sticking to the main Civil War title. Amazing Spider-Man might be a good read because it shows what's going on with Spidey. But I do think that Civil War does stand on its own so far. It still makes sense even if you don't read all of those tie-ins.

Sheng-Long

08-15-2006, 09:41 PM

DELAYS

Goddamn delays...

...and people ask at this day and age why the comics industry aren't taken as
seriously as other forms of media even with such works as V for Vendetta and Sandman.

How can other people respect the comic book industry when delays like these are common place? Sure you maybe used to it by now, but think about any industry that has as much delays and passing it off as acceptable as the comic book industry has. Are there any?

bah...just venting...

...Astonishing X-men (supposed to be bi-monthly when it was announced!!) and Daredevil (Bru delivers!) next week anyway.

m121akuma

08-15-2006, 10:04 PM

How can other people respect the comic book industry when delays like these are common place? Sure you maybe used to it by now, but think about any industry that has as much delays and passing it off as acceptable as the comic book industry has. Are there any?

No comic has been delayed as long as Team Fortress 2 or Duke Nukem Forever. No matter how hard Ultimates tries.

kingofkod

08-15-2006, 10:06 PM

Actually Sheng....the rap music industry is far worse.

Wellman

08-15-2006, 10:09 PM

Okay, I know artists and writers are usually busy with a ton of projects, but damn can we not have at least half of a series completed before its official release?

I mean freaking Frontline was able to come out on time before this and that has like four stories per issue and comes out twice a month. I am starting to believe all that talk about them changing who died in issue 4 (rumor had it being Hercules) might be right.

ReggieHadoken

08-16-2006, 01:27 AM

WHAT?! Civil War and the tie-ins are DELAYED?! Man, screw Marvel. This freaking blows. Guess I won't be buying CW #4 tomorrow. Ugh.

bill_rizer

08-16-2006, 04:07 AM

Shadowhaxor

08-16-2006, 04:50 AM

No comic has been delayed as long as Team Fortress 2 or Duke Nukem Forever. No matter how hard Ultimates tries.

LOL... Duke ain't never coming out.... but at least we finally got Prey!

ShinkuuR

08-16-2006, 05:32 AM

Finished FABLES vol 1. Liked the premise, and the character interpretations, but boy-oh-boy it was hella slow. The first "real" action scene, where Bigby transforms, took way too long to get to. Please tell me the story pacing picks up in the later volumes, I'm starting to see why my professors were stressing keeping a balance of action/story so much. @_@

Gonna check out RUNAWAYS very soon.

Keep reading Fables. I'm up to Chap 46, but it gets alot more interesting. Goldilocks is...was top tier.:wink:

I also got Alias and Runaways since someone recommended it, but I'll read it after I finish Titans.

Speaking of delays...DID WOLVERINE VS HULK #3 EVER COME OUT????

The Bucket Of Truth

08-16-2006, 06:55 AM

No comic has been delayed as long as Team Fortress 2 or Duke Nukem Forever. No matter how hard Ultimates tries.dont forget starcraft ghost ;DKeep reading Fables. I'm up to Chap 46, but it gets alot more interesting. Goldilocks...way to spoil it for him

Pained Auron

08-16-2006, 06:57 AM

a message from mcniven posted by millar

"Hey folks, just thought I should get a post up here. First up apologies to the fans and retailers of civil war. The responsibility for the art delays lies with me, period. I've been working harder than I ever have, (and this is my third profession), but this is the hardest project I've ever done and as Mark said, I had little lead time. It was as big a surprise to me as anyone else that Marvel changed its publishing schedule to allow Mark and I to finish the series together.

When I was sent word of this yesterday, I realized the problems that this will cause for readers and retailers immediately. After reading Hitchy's post I am beginning to understand why Marvel went this way, but it still amazes me. Of course I am proud of the work I have done on Civil War and I am chuffed that Marvel feels the same way, but I worry for the people that could be negatively effected by this. Please realize that the art delays were never meant in a malicious way nor am I being a prima donna with my work. What I'm trying is to do service to the exceptional story that Mark has written. That's it, and is all that I focus on when I'm at the table. I let Marvel know exactly where I am on a daily basis, from day one, so that they can make the decisions like the one they have made. I'll continue to work hard to put out the rest of this series with the best work I can do in the time I have been given and I hope that you, the fans and retailers will stick with us, 'cause Mark has written a real gem here.

Thanks,
Steve"

archetype

08-16-2006, 07:14 AM

^^^ dope. As long as it isn't delayed as hulk vs. wolv im cool. Im going to the comic store today anyways. Getting The Walking Dead vol 4 and to see if they have vol 5. BTW just finished Universe X vol 1. reading vol 2 now...

Raz0r

08-16-2006, 07:38 AM

Hulk vs. Wolverine was retarded to begin with. I think they wrote themselves into a corner. We see Wolverine still in the Ultimate universe walking around as if nothing happened and now the Hulk is still around so what exactly happened? They should've thought it out better.

As far as the delay goes, I'm a bit upset. I just wish comics kept a strict deadline to releases. If other professions can do it why can't they? I still have 52 coming out on a weekly basis so that's keeping me entertained.

Pained Auron

08-16-2006, 09:14 AM

since ima have money left over today, ima spend it on 52. hopefully it's picked up

P. Gorath

08-16-2006, 09:38 AM

i prefer delays to fill in artists. i had my "fill" of that back when i originally collected comics as a kid. there are plenty of good comics out there - try something new when your title ships late

ChairHome

08-16-2006, 10:34 AM

since ima have money left over today, ima spend it on 52. hopefully it's picked up

I just caught up on the 4 most recent issues of 52 and, in my opinion, things have picked up. They kind of ended one story line and the other ones are picking up. The art in the "Origin of" stories are nice, too, they replaced the "History of the DC universe"

m121akuma

08-16-2006, 11:26 AM

Sensational was decent (but really, since when does Spidey have a Scarecrow?), but the arc has a lot more potential later on.

I know there ain't a lot of love for the SF comics here, but for the love of God, give Street Fighter Legends #1 a read. Ryu trying to use AIM is comedy gold.

DA GAME

08-16-2006, 11:52 AM

Is the new issue of Moon Knight out yet?

Pained Auron

08-16-2006, 02:30 PM

my money went to brian vaughan's book today since CW was late

Drunkengameplayer

08-16-2006, 04:24 PM

When I think of delays all I ever think about is the N64. Week before release and the delayed it....... -_-

Zephyranthes

08-16-2006, 05:44 PM

Delays are temporary. Hardcovers and paperbacks are forever.

Imagine if someone had to do a fill-in for Brian Bolland on Camelot 3000 #12. It wouldn't have been the same.

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I recommend picking up the TPB of Iron Man: The Inevitable this week. Joe Casey wrote it, Frazier Irving (y'know, Klarion the Witchboy of Seven Soldiers) drew and colored it. It's a very, very nice Iron Man story. It's as good as Ellis/Granov's Extremis, but in a different way.

Speaking of which, the Ellis/Granov Iron Man run had massive delays, too. A fill-in artist to replace Granov would have been... anti-climactic. I do think, however, that sometimes it would be nice if the creators simply completed the entire thing and then had it published as a new graphic novel. Sadly, that probably isn't feasible for most projects.

m121akuma

08-16-2006, 08:27 PM

http://blackpanther.ytmnsfw.com/
It's official, I have to see Ultimate Avengers 2 now.

ReggieHadoken

08-16-2006, 09:20 PM

How good is Sensational Spider-Man, guys? I read at SpiderFan.org that that the last few issues prior to SSM# 28 have really sucked. That And I'm perfectly happy with ASM and FNSM as far as regular 616 Spidey goes. The last thing I want is for Marvel to get carried away and have too many freaking Spidey books where the only purpose for so many Spidey titles is for cross over story arcs. And save for a few issues, Web of Spider-Man was the worst Spidey book ever.

Anyway, since Civil War #4 was delayed, I picked these up today:

Ultimate Spider-Man Annual #2
Amazing Spider-Man Annual #15
Web of Romance Staring Spider-Man & Mary Jane
Spider Family Amazing Friends

Spider Family Amazing Friends is a one shot to celebrate the 25th Anniversary for the hit '80s show Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends. It has a lot of different stories, including Spider-Man 2099 #2, Untold Tales of Spider-Man #2, Mini Marvels: Spidey & His Amazing Co-Workers, Opposites Attack (In this story, Spidey sets up Ice Man & Firestar on a date and it pays a lot of homeage to the classic '80s show.) This was some of the best $4.99 I ever spent.

I almost bought 52 Week One. My comic shop has every issue up to the current Week. I didn't pick it up because I was afraid I'd get sucked in and have yet another comic series to buy.

Zephyranthes

08-16-2006, 11:24 PM

I think Sensational Spider-Man is okay. It's true, there were recent issues that were pretty bad. There was this one recent arc with Lizard and Black Cat and it was uninteresting. Plus, I detest Angel Medina's style of art, and it just hurt the story even more.

BUT... The last issue I read, with CLAYTON CRAIN art (haha where you at Clinty?!) was really good. It takes place after Spidey reveals himself as Peter Parker, and the story is about one of his high school students reacting to the news. Oh yeah, and there's some Doc Ock action tossed in for good measure. That was a great single issue comic. If you wanna check it out, it's got a cover of Spidey with his mask off writing on a chalkboard.

P. Gorath

08-17-2006, 07:11 PM

how come nobody told me the first beast wars tpb came out on tuesday? going to have to pick that up...

I skimmed through The Boys #1, shit looks wild. I love me some darick robertson.

Also in case anyone didnt hear, Mark Bagley announced he is leaving Ultimate Spider-Man after #110. Sucks, but it had to happen sometime. Not sure if I will drop the title, probably depend who they get.

Zephyranthes

08-17-2006, 09:57 PM

Finally, I got and read a copy of Batman: Ego by Darwyn Cooke. It lived up to my expectations and it's easily a top tier Batman story, probably in the top 20 at least. I could never find it at any stores, but I finally found it cheap on eBay. If you guys see this at a store, pick it up. It's an awesome psychological story that shows some insights into Batman/Bruce Wayne's persona. There were some nice scenes about young Bruce and his parents, which isn't something we've seen too often. Plus, Cooke is such a tight storyteller that it's just sweet to see how the comic unfolds. The composition is very impressive.

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Haven't been following any IDW TF comics. Tell us how it is after you get it.

Robertson was at the Isotope last night. I wanted to go check it out, but I just didn't have much time. He is a pretty sweet artist. Ennis says The Boys will "out-Preacher Preacher."

That sucks, Bagley's leaving Spider-Man. I can't think of anyone else who can draw like 18 or 20 issues a year and still have Bagley's consistent quality. Marvel should put Joe Mad on the title, just to see what happens.

ReggieHadoken

08-17-2006, 10:45 PM

So Mark Bagley is leaving Ultimate Spider-Man after USM #110? Bummer. However, I know the man who'd be perfect to replace him: MARK BROOKS. Just look at his art in USM Annual #2. My word, his stuff is so freaking awesome. I could look at Brook's work for hours and not get sick of it. He is the man to replace Bagley. I only hope they can get him for it.

Sano

08-18-2006, 07:52 AM

Like the saying goes, a good comic is only late until it ships, a bad comic is bad until the end of time.

Reads from this week -

I didn't care for Claws too much, not the artwork or even the story. Black Cat's outfit in it is stupid. I think I'll thumb threw the trade just to see if Black Cat boinks the hairy midget.

Sensational Spider-Man - The villains are gathering to beat up unmasked Parker, and Madame Web predicts doom and gloom of the demon variety in NYC. Yes, Spider-Man does have a Scarecrow, but they only fought once before long ago. This is the writer that gave us Shuma-Gorath in Marvel Knights 4 and the return of Madame Web and featured Puma recently. He's not scared to bring up old/obscure characters which just makes him pimp beyond imagination.

Nightwing - Not too bad this month. They started delving into Nightwing surviving Infinite Crisis a little. He said he survived from a near death experience and he didn't like what he saw about himself, which lead him to dumping Barbara Gordon for the time being.

Civil War X-Men - Bishop's in trouble...

52 - Hooray! Character dies! Hmm, I guess these words have no impact nowadays with all the stupid ass comic book ressurections that need to STOP but here's hoping that this is one that will stick forever...

Thunderbolts - Zemo rules! OMG HE IS TEH ROXORS!!! He's playing Captain America like a fiddle, too good!

EDIT: Marvel's Scarecrow -

http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Scarecrow/scarecrow.htm

1/2Man1/2God

08-18-2006, 08:14 AM

Maybe I read this wrong in the Marvel Ultimate Guide......Is Colossus gay in Ultimate X-men?

archetype

08-18-2006, 08:34 AM

yes he is

1/2Man1/2God

08-18-2006, 09:11 AM

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! Y couldn't somebody no one likes be gay like.....um, who sucks in the X-men world?

Khaotika!

08-18-2006, 12:11 PM

way to spoil it for him

Naw, if anything, he just made me wonder what's going to happen. :wgrin:

Zephyranthes

08-18-2006, 12:42 PM

Haha, the Marvel Scarecrow... I remember Geoff Johns busted him out when he wrote Avengers. The Falcon beat the crap out of Scarecrow in a junkyard.

Oh yeah, David Lloyd's graphic novel Kickback came out last week. I got it, and it's very good stuff. 96 pages, Dark Horse, hardcover, and only 13 bucks? Why can't more hardcovers be so economical? Kickback's a down and dirty cop story. Lloyd's art is just so amazing to look at and read. This is a must-read for V For Vendetta fans. (And, I assume, EVERYONE here is a V For Vendetta fan... If you're not, give me your address and I'll stab you in the neck.)

Raz0r

08-18-2006, 02:04 PM

lol Booster Gold

Pained Auron

08-18-2006, 02:12 PM

Lloyd's art is just so amazing to look at and read. This is a must-read for V For Vendetta fans. (And, I assume, EVERYONE here is a V For Vendetta fan... If you're not, give me your address and I'll stab you in the neck.)

i'm not a v fan.................

Zephyranthes

08-19-2006, 12:47 AM

Touche, Painy, touche.

Now go poke your eye out with a pencil, YOU COMMUNIST

Superking

08-19-2006, 01:11 AM

Livewireo

08-19-2006, 01:46 AM

Plus, I detest Angel Medina's style of art, and it just hurt the story even more.

Angel Medina hates baseball

http://img.waffleimages.com/img/a533cc8d947a5dedd3c67d7cd4d6abac2c5eae60/t/batterup.JPG (http://img.waffleimages.com/img/a533cc8d947a5dedd3c67d7cd4d6abac2c5eae60/batterup.JPG)

orochizoolander

08-22-2006, 04:04 AM

Ok, I'll be going on a Batman spree, right now I've looking at the following:

DKR
DKSA
Hush
Year One
Knightfall
Long Halloween
Dark Victory (thanks to DS with this suggestion)
Killing Joke

And I guess All-Star Batman, that looks like fun.

WOW where do i start? ummm well dkr and year one are the fucking best batman reads n some of the best grpahic novels EVER!!!.

Hush's art is amazing but u either hate it or love it cuz it makes many HUGE storyline changes but overall it keeps u on ur toes n it's a must read.

Long halloween n the sequel dark victory are perfect in every way they r the best mysteries u will ever read in ur life and also reveals the origin of 2face which is a big part of the story.

DO NOT GET SKSA I NVR READ IT BUT EVERY1 ON SRK N THE LOCAL COMIC BOOK SHOP OWNER SAYS IT'S TERRIBLE.

I nvr read knightfall bt killing joke is a must althought the hardcover is almost impossible to find.

Has any1 read batman: the cult? and batman: a death in the family? cuz i was thinking of getting them also is young avengers good? i know they came after avengers disassembled and house of m so is all that worth reading n if so can i get a chronological order and reccommendations of the HC's to get?

Sano

08-22-2006, 06:55 AM

DO NOT GET SKSA I NVR READ IT BUT EVERY1 ON SRK N THE LOCAL COMIC BOOK SHOP OWNER SAYS IT'S TERRIBLE.

Everyone I have spoken to in real life, friends, people who work in comic book shops and so on hate DKSA. I don't care for it much myself. But that's just me. A few people on this thread seem to not hate it. I mean, I won't tell anyone not to read it because opinions are opinions and all. It's an important book in Batman's legacy to read in some ways. It would be interesting to see what someone like Kyoji who reads them the two books back to back for the first time (I'm assuming that's the case) thinks.

Death of the Family is good, one of Joker's defining moments, even if the recent Jason Todd ressurection hurts it some what.

DeathScythe

08-22-2006, 07:02 AM

52 Week 15 = Booster Gold goodness. Too good.

Zephyranthes

08-22-2006, 04:40 PM

DKSA is great. I don't care if people don't like it. I will recommend DKSA over just about any Batman story other than Year One or DKR or Broken City. Unlike many Batman stories, at least DKSA tries to be something more than "just" a Batman story. It's Frank Miller trying something different, it's a Batman story more along the lines of alternative comics. I know people in real life who don't like it, but I also know quite a few who did like it. A lot of the people I know who liked it got into comics because of it- they never got too into Batman, but they read DKR and DKSA and turned into believers. And some of the people who hate it hate it because issue #3 was ridiculously late- which shouldn't really matter now that there's a TPB. I would say read it yourself and you judge if you like it or not. But to write it off without having read it, and being more interested in Death In A Family... That's just wrong.

Death In The Family doesn't need to be a high priority read. Now that's one of those comics that doesn't really do much other than just tell a key moment in Batman's life. It's mildly interesting for what it is, but no way is it an essential read. The story is flimy '80s stuff... The premise and the plot are very silly and it hasn't aged gracefully. The best thing about it is the Jim Aparo artwork. I suppose if you were one of the people who called in back in the day to vote for Robin's death, it might be the source of more fond memories.

I don't know if there ever was a hardcover edition of The Killing Joke. If there was, it must be hella bank by now. Some stores still have newer paperback printings of it. You can also find it in the TPB Across The Universe: The DC Stories Of Alan Moore. Now that's a worthy purchase- you get Killing Joke, Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow?, For The Man Who Has Everything, and just about every other random non-Swamp Thing DC comic Moore did. It's even got an excellent Vigilante two-parter in there.

I haven't read The Cult, but the art is amazing. It might be one of those comics worth getting for the art. I don't know about the story, though.

And get Young Avengers. There's not much to it. It's just twelve issues (plus one Annual). There's a volume one HC and TPB collecting #s 1-6. I don't think volume 2 has been released yet.

ThyAllMighty

08-22-2006, 05:15 PM

i want to read infinity crisis and that whole 52 one year later shit but i have no idea where to start, i'm totally in the dark

what is infinity crisis, do i have to read crisis of infinite earths? cause i really don't want to, what is 52?

the only one year later titles that seemed promising is robin, but i never really followed robin, it just seemed kinda cool cause he's trying to resurect superboy who died, i didn't even know they were friends or promient in the dc universe

also nightwing one year later cause jason todd is in there, but it heard it sucks ass

long story short, please gimmie a infinity crisis, one year later, 52 check list

P. Gorath

08-22-2006, 05:15 PM

avengers operation galactic storm vol. 2 tpb is in the november solits and it includes the what if story on if they had lost. I like that marvel is including what if stories in their trades (the frank miller daredevil visionaries included two of them) and wish they would reprint the second volume.

age of apocalypse volume 4 is also in november to finish off that crossover as well as the morrison new x-men omnibus which would be a good pickup for those that dont have the previous hardcovers or tpbs.

I also noticed they are releasing tpb's of the leifeld/lee heroes reborn line. now if they would just re-release the onslaught saga like they did AoA.
i want to read infinity crisis and that whole 52 one year later shit but i have no idea where to start, i'm totally in the dark

what is infinity crisis, do i have to read crisis of infinite earths? cause i really don't want to, what is 52?

the only one year later titles that seemed promising is robin, but i never really followed robin, it just seemed kinda cool cause he's trying to resurect superboy who died, i didn't even know they were friends or promient in the dc universe

also nightwing one year later cause jason todd is in there, but it heard it sucks ass

long story short, please gimmie a infinity crisis, one year later, 52 check list
lol...first off it's "Infinite Crisis"....thanos does not make an appearence.

If you want the shortest possible route then read Identity Crisis, then Prelude to Infinite Crisis, then Countdown to Infinite Crisis, The Omac Project, Sacrifice, then IC itself.

Sano

08-23-2006, 05:23 AM

also nightwing one year later cause jason todd is in there, but it heard it sucks ass

I would recommend skipping it. There's a few okay issues in the bunch, and it's a relief that Devin Grayson is no longer writing it, but it's still a little on the sucky side. I was suprised that even Wizard hated it when they usually dry hump everything, but Wizard is kinda iffy sometimes.

Marv Wolfman is back at DC now so I'm hoping he eventually takes over the book, I think he's the only one who knows how to handle Dick Grayson right. Or I'd love it if Glen Murakami did a stint on it since he's a big Dick Grayson fan too, only if his book went more like his Batman Beyond cartoon and less like his Teen Titans cartoon, but that's just me.

Difoj

08-23-2006, 05:49 AM

Man I picked up teh Invincible collection with 1-13, dont know how I missed this book, shit is too good. Anyone know if the quality continues thru the rest of the issues? Gonna pick up the trades for rest of the issues that they have out most likely.

ChairHome

08-23-2006, 05:56 AM

what is 52?

52 is the weekly series that shows what happens between the ending of IC and the beginning of One Year Later. It focuses on less famous characters (the big three are gone til One Year Later).

P. Gorath

08-23-2006, 08:22 AM

Marv Wolfman is back at DC now so I'm hoping he eventually takes over the book, I think he's the only one who knows how to handle Dick Grayson right. Or I'd love it if Glen Murakami did a stint on it since he's a big Dick Grayson fan too, only if his book went more like his Batman Beyond cartoon and less like his Teen Titans cartoon, but that's just me.

Marv's arc starts with issue #125 i believe

Sano

08-23-2006, 09:13 AM

Marv's arc starts with issue #125 i believe

Really? I knew he was doing The Brave comic but not Nightwing! Man that's gonna kick all kinds of Ass it's not even funny. Thanks man! :rock:

ViciousSLASH

08-23-2006, 05:30 PM

Sano

08-23-2006, 06:16 PM

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3313440&postcount=197

I linked a bunch of pictures I did for my little comic thing in the works, so to keep with continuity here is some progress I made on said comic.

Comments and crits are appreciated in all forms, good or bad.

For some reason your style reminds me a lot of Adam Warren's earlier stuff but different as it's your own style. Also a good use of perspective since those background shots are tough to do. Very nice man keep it up!

Read so far -

New Avengers - Oh man Iron Man acting like a jerk yet again is just too freaking good!

Batman - What can I say, Morrison does it again and again and again. Love the dissing of the Andy Warhol Pop Art, seriously all he did was take existing comic book panels, enlarge them and sell them as his art WTF! At least those people throwing buckets of paint on canvases and selling them for a million bucks are doing something... ending rant, spoilers and stuff on the issue -

Hooray! That bastard child is the son of Batman and Talia! He's going by Damian, not by the name this kid had in Kingdom Come though, assuming it's the same person and stuff but he is male with black hair and all like the kid from Kingdom Come. Really happy! I always preferred the Batman/Talia hook up over the Batman and Catwoman one, other than physical attraction I could never really get why people want Batman and Catwoman together whereas Talia was created to be his perfect mate. Oh well he's gonna remain single forever anyways. So, I'm guessing the father of Catwoman's baby hasn't been revealed yet? If it turns out to be Batman's and a female, we can have both future Huntress and Ibn Xu Fax Machine... screw it, Damian's easier to remember - in this reality like people here were saying might happen, cool beans!

m121akuma

08-23-2006, 06:27 PM

This week I picked up:

Exiles: I dunno about anyone else, but I thought it was brilliant. Shoving as many Wolverines into one issue has so much potential for disaster, but it was pulled off so damn well. Sleeper hit of the week.

Astonishing X-Men:"YeahbuhWHAT?" Kitty manages to capture my reaction perfectly. Not in a bad way though.

Wolverine: Good issue, but the last page felt tacked on. Still, worth a read.

The Damned

08-23-2006, 06:53 PM

I know that I've not posted in forever given my "massive" post that's still supposed to be coming up, but that can "wait" one more post.

This week I picked up:

Astonishing X-Men:"YeahbuhWHAT?" Kitty manages to capture my reaction perfectly. Not in a bad way though.

Same here. That seriously the last thing I was expecting; it could still be Lady Mastermind considering how fucked in the head she was because of what happened in X-Treme X-Men, but that would be an even more "yeahbutwhat?" right now.

The same with the Destroyer of Worlds. I think we were all expecting some one with at least a projectile power, if not one of more powerful, intangible ones.

Speaking of intangible, damn. Kitty kicked Emma's ass good.

I'll also have to read Exiles next now of the comics that I bought today.

orochizoolander

08-24-2006, 02:05 AM

Is absolute dark knight worth getting? (comes out next wednesday) i loved dkr but havent read dksa but i heard it was bad soo yeah sum input would help.

I plan on getting crisis on infinite earths:absolute edition, indentity crisis HC , and infinite crisis HC (comes out sep 20) so do i need to read anything else to understand the crisis storyline? and did identity crisis take place before or after IC?

I can't find the deluxe sin city HC's all i can find at comics shops are the HC library boxsets of the regular HC's which are expensive but only include the stories without any of the extra bonus shit so can i get a link as to where i would find them and a chronological order of them?

here are the batman graphic novels i have so far:
year one HC
dkr HC
arkham asylum HC
absolute hush
batman:gothic
long halloween
dark victory

The next bat reads i plan on getting are the cult, killing joke, black n white vol 1+2, n i also plan on getting either:

son of the demon
child of dreams
hush returns

out of those 3 which 1 do u reccommend? (I LOVED hush)

orochizoolander

08-24-2006, 02:10 AM

Is absolute dark knight worth getting? (comes out next wednesday) i loved dkr but havent read dksa but i heard it was bad soo yeah sum input would help.

I plan on getting crisis on infinite earths:absolute edition, indentity crisis HC , and infinite crisis HC (comes out sep 20) so do i need to read anything else to understand the crisis storyline? and did identity crisis take place before or after IC?

I can't find the deluxe sin city HC's all i can find at comics shops are the HC library boxsets of the regular HC's which are expensive but only include the stories without any of the extra bonus shit so can i get a link as to where i would find them and a chronological order of them?

here are the batman graphic novels i have so far:
year one HC
dkr HC
arkham asylum HC
absolute hush
batman:gothic
long halloween
dark victory

The next bat reads i plan on getting are the cult, killing joke, black n white vol 1+2, n i also plan on getting either:

sonf of the demon
child of dreams
hush returns

out of those 3 which 1 do u reccommend?

EDIT:SRY IN ADVANCE YEAH I KNOW DOUBLE POST

ThyAllMighty

08-24-2006, 03:10 AM

child of dreams sucks donkey balls...i know that much....

....get "under the hood"

that's what got me back into batman

Sano

08-24-2006, 05:12 AM

child of dreams sucks donkey balls...i know that much....

....get "under the hood"

that's what got me back into batman

Seriously? I love Child of Dreams, one of my favorites. I really like Kia Asamiya and his take on Batman, his Catwoman rocks. The story was really a conveniant way to fit a lot of his roster in one book and come on man, Batman goes to Japan and it's done by a manga artist and it's in black and white, that's so freaking cool on so many levels. I know some people don't like manga but there are no big eyes or any of the other stereotypical manga things in it.

My only complaint is that when DC translated the manga they flopped it. As I think everyone knows, manga reads from right to left, and DC flopped it from left to right like American comics. So everyone becomes left handed. I dunno, not a big deal to me but Two Face's face is backwards. What DC should of done is individually of flopped every panel, but no one does that and don't ask me why since it's not even that hard to do.

BTW Kia Asamiya also did a run on X-Men too, I haven't seen that collected in a trade. But he had nothing to do with story which really sucked. The coloring job was terrible too. His version of Juggernaut is really bad ass, sadly this was the story that made Juggs a wimp and gave Angel blood that can heal people. Ugh....

No hate on Son of the Demon since Ra's is my favorite villain (assuming it's his origin book, memory's fuzzy). But yeah if you read it forget about Kathy Kane dying since DC says that didn't happen anymore. Um, yeah... still Child of Dreams is my pick of those three.

Definitly skip Hush Returns. Well, I read it in the beginning and instantly became bored, so I can't pass final judgement on it not having read the entire thing.

Eh, if anything this thread proves that none of us agree on Batman GNs. Or it proves that people want to keep talking about Batman GNs.... :rofl:

Orochizoolander - DKR Deluxe Edition - On the one hand I'd say just get the older one for a cheaper price. On the other hand I'm imagining DKR/DKSA is bound to have lots of bonus stuff if DC does the right thing. You prolly know by now I'm not a fan of DKSA but you should read it and form your own opinion on it, because again - none of us agree on Batman GNs anyway...

ChairHome

08-24-2006, 05:50 AM

Picked up Flash, I still have faith in it. Seems to be picking up a little, and the art was nice in this one (guest artist Karl Kerschl. I really wish he was a regular on Flash or Robin, he had great art in Robin). Justice league was pretty great, don't know much about Red Tornado, but its really interesting so far. Was surprised at one of the picks for the team, considering who they dropped in favor for this one.

Zephyranthes

08-24-2006, 12:59 PM

While I still say DKSA is one of the best Batman comics around, I'll back sano on Asamiya's Child of Dreams. Child of Dreams is pretty sweet. It's just interesting to see such an unconventional take on the character, and the art really is nice looking. Maybe the plot isn't the most hard-edged, but the way it flows is smooth- it demonstrates great use of pace in a more fanciful story tone.

I think Asamiya's Uncanny X-Men stuff was collected in TPBs. But the stories were Chuck Austen stories, so I can't say they are worth tracking down and buying. He did an interesting design for Polaris, for those stories, though.

Son Of The Demon was recently reprinted as a 5 or 6 buck comic with no ads. I got a copy for myself, it's okay. It's way too rooted in '80s style storytelling for me, though, and not in a groovy Nexus-kinda way, either. The art is sweet, but the story just doesn't work too well- I can explain why, but it'd require me to spoil the plot.

Hush Returns was average. I remember reading the issues as they came out, so it's been a couple years. It felt like every other issue caught my interest, while the rest of them bored me. It might be an all right read, but it's not really a worthy purchase, unless you get a fatty discount or something.

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orochizoolander, you should skim other people's posts. Some of the questions you asked about what books to get to understand Infinite Crisis were already answered a on the previous page of this thread.

P. Gorath

08-24-2006, 01:27 PM

Is absolute dark knight worth getting? (comes out next wednesday) i loved dkr but havent read dksa but i heard it was bad soo yeah sum input would help.Actually it came out two days ago. Amazon just shipped mine so I will report my impressions in a few days. If you like batman you will probably like it. Much of the hate is from people who read it during the hype before and as it was coming out in comic form. I think it is nice in tpb form and story-wise the only part I think it misses is the commentary on tv news/political talking heads because reality is so much further down the line now than his satire.
I plan on getting crisis on infinite earths:absolute edition, indentity crisis HC , and infinite crisis HC (comes out sep 20) so do i need to read anything else to understand the crisis storyline? and did identity crisis take place before or after IC?Good for you. You should also think about picking up the 4 countdown tpb's: Omac Project, Day of Vengeance, Rann Thanagar War, and Villains United, as well as the Superman: Sacrifice tpb. If that is too much then just get The Omac Project, as it includes Countdown to IC, and Sacrifice, as it includes the other major plot point beyond ID crisis.

If you want to go further you can then start picking up some of the other connected tpb's such as Superman The Journey, Superman: Infinite Crisis, Outsiders Crisis Intervention, Teen Titans Life & Death, etc.

Also after you read COIE if you are interested in the multiple worlds and want more background on all of those characters you can pick up the recent tpbs called Crisis on Multiple Earths (currently vol. 1-4) and Crisis on Multiple Earths: The Team-Ups vol. 1 which reprint pre-crisis stories from the various earths.

There are also tpb's of DC events that went on in between COIE and ID Crisis including Zero Hour, Underworld Unleashed, and Final Night which fill some stuff in.
out of those 3 which 1 do u reccommend?check out Batman and then Monster Men tpb which just came out on Tuesday, as well as Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman: Trinity

Then really blow your mind by picking up Batman City of Crime, probably the darkest batman regular universe batman yarn ever.
EDIT:SRY IN ADVANCE YEAH I KNOW DOUBLE POSTuh, then why not delete one of them? :confused: