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Preppy

06-29-2005, 01:22 PM

I thought the House of M was okay so far (only read the first two, no cross-overs). I suspect that there are two (other) major reasons for how the FF "are" in House of M:
* The movie is coming out. Any changes to continuity/story arcs for their actual comic would upset/confuse new movie fans.
* Franklin (as seen in Earth X) pretty much owns everybody in terms of power. He'd be an easy opt-out/answer for any problems. If you're going to base a series on somebody with beyond-cosmic level power (where does "reality altering" fit?), you probably better not have too many other 'gods'. Come to think of it - doesn't this mean that Wanda has Beyonder-level powers? What are her constraints?

* Supreme Power Latest (the 'Mature/18+' issue): Yawn. Same with Doc Spectrum #6 - maybe he's getting somewhere, but it's just a little over-dramatized. Still, interesting to see the two power women in action a little more.
* Plastic Man: Kyle Baker's Cowboy Wally is still on my short list of best graphic novel ever, but this just isn't very interesting and will be removed from my pull list. =\
* We3 graphic novel: Surprisingly good, a little too affected, and a very quick read. The war-bunny rocks.
* Daredevil latest two: Hm. A little too quirky for me to really get into, but the set up heading into the last issue of the Decalogue is pretty interesting. Still, some times you can't help but think that Bendis pulls things out of his ass. Not that that's a bad thing. :smile:
* Powers latest: Another quick read (which I understand this week's Planetary(!!!) will be too... :sad: ) - seems like a filler issue, but still: wtf? Things looks to be damned interesting in a couple issues.
* Astro City The Dark Age #1: Hm. Other than joy at it finally arriving... nothing really to sink your teeth into yet - just seems like he's setting up the playing field.
* Punisher latest: hm. The usual violent romp. Nothing too interesting, nothing too disappointing. Typical Ennis over the top humor. :smile:

All in all, I think I'd recommend We3 and maybe House of M, but that's about it from last week's pulls.

How's "Prelude to Infinity Crisis" going? I picked up the very first transition issue and that was good, and the killing of the first picked six/seven soldiers, and that was good, and then everything after that seemed to be horribly boring. =\

KidFlash

06-29-2005, 03:22 PM

That's a good point. I'm enjoying House of M overall though. As far as Witch's powers, I think the only limit is that she's insane/doesn't know what she's doing. She seems crazy powerful though.

I've been enjoying DC's "Prelude" stuff so far. I'm only reading Rann-Thanagar War and Villains United. I'd definitely recommend the former. Seven Soldiers is kicking ass. With any of Morrison's stuff, it takes an issue just to get what the heck's going on, but now that it's picking up, it's really good stuff. I'm reading all four 7 soliders books currently out.

box

06-29-2005, 06:11 PM

Sweet. I picked up this month's Wizard, and there's gonna be a 12 part event in the fall called "the other" that takes place in all 3 ongoing spider-man books. (Amazing by JMS and Mike deodato, Marvel knights by Hudlin and ?, and Friendly neighborhood spidey by Peter David and Mike Wieringo). A 4 month event beginning in October.

edit: Morlun will be in it. That is all.

Picked up Amazing spidey, FF and Young avengers this week. I'll let you know what I think.

Nemesis00

06-29-2005, 06:19 PM

The Other sounds good, especially with the possibilities mentioned on the net. However, Hudlin is a fucking moron and should be kicked off BP and MK Spidey ASAP.

LostPhrack

06-30-2005, 03:56 AM

Wow! I almost had a heartattack in the store today. I walk in, look at the new arrivals and hey.. a new issue a Planetary!

It was ok, not too bad, better than the last couple of issues. Nice to find out a bit about The Drummer too. That was it because I'm being a cheap bastard and waiting for them to get in a copy Scott Pilgrim vol. 2 for me.

box

06-30-2005, 11:12 AM

Man. FF is sucking even with the new JMS/Mckone team. I'm gonna drop it after this first arc is over.

Young avengers was a good read. Heinberg seems to know what he's doing.

AMS was okay. Arc is gonna be 6 issues long, which is a little stretched out to me. After that, I think "the other" hits the shelves.

Carpet Lint

06-30-2005, 11:34 AM

There was a new Planetary!?! FUCK ME. I didn't see it. Now I gotta go run back.

The last week of the month is usually my favourite - Batman, Batgirl, Flash, Amazing Spidey...good stuff.

Haven't read Amazing Spider-Man yet though. Lately it's dropped off a bit from when Romita was still the artist. Not saying it's because of the art, but the book just seemed better back then.

Batman's awesome. Consistent goodness.

Batgirl's good too - but I think the only people that pick it up are those that are big fans of the character. No real reason for the average guy to pick it up. It's a good book though.

Flash - READ THE FLASH. Vslash, if you're not reading the Flash Imma gonna kick your fuckin ass. Fuck school. Same with you Bucket - so help me God you better be at least downloading this shit. Lol, I got some cousins visiting from Sydney - these kids are all messed up man. Aussies are insane.

Sucks that Geoff Johns is leaving though. This one last arc of his should really kick ass at least.

What else did I pick up? ...I don't even remember, the Flash was so good it erased everything else from my mind.

buyproduct

06-30-2005, 11:52 AM

Picked up alan moore's Albion yesterday. This is good stuff. For some reason I seem to be enjoying things like this and morrison's 7 soilders than all the big summer events. I dont feel like I am getting cheated when I read this stuff. I guess its cause I dont know most of these characters and they dont read like current superhero books but like old school stuff with there thought bubbles and all.

Omac has me dissappointed. What futher pisses me off is the fact that I have to buy 4 more superman books and a wonder woman comic to follow the plot that is going on in one mini. Fuck that, if I am buying the mini all the story pertinant to the mini should be in the mini dammit. Best mini so far has to be Days of vengence followed closely buy Rann Thangarr, the rest just leave me wanting.

Batman was good and left me wanting to know whats going to happen with Jason and bruce but this could have been told in like 3 issues. For some reason this is starting to remind me of KnightQuest to knightEnd only azreal has been replaced by jason todd.

DA GAME

06-30-2005, 02:38 PM

Hey could anyone fill DA GAME in on a detail description of Parallax?DG knows that it's Hal Jordan but what's made Hal turn into Parallax or was he possessed?

Geese Pants

06-30-2005, 02:59 PM

Hey could anyone fill DA GAME in on a detail description of Parallax?DG knows that it's Hal Jordan but what's made Hal turn into Parallax or was he possessed?

Well for a time it was said that after Mongul destroyed Coast City, Hal went off the deep end in trying to restore Coast City with his ring........however, the Guardians wouldn't allow it, and wanted to strip Hal of his GL rank. Feeling betrayed, Hal snapped and went after the GL corps, taking their rings for his twisted plans under the name of Parallax.

Now it's he was possesed by the yellow enitity Parallax when Hal was at his weakest.....

Like the way Johns handled that........ :clap:

P. Gorath

06-30-2005, 03:18 PM

I didnt think he became parallax until he absorbed himself into the OA battery at the end of issue 50

Geese Pants

06-30-2005, 03:29 PM

I didnt think he became parallax until he absorbed himself into the OA battery at the end of issue 50
Forgot about that issue.........

box

07-07-2005, 12:17 PM

Picked up House of M #3. It was a "meh" issue. As stated before, it doesn't feel like House of M is gonna have any consequences. It's interesting to see how everybody turns out in this world though. The cliffhanger was pretty dumb. Spoilers: Hawkeye shows up alive. And for some reason... I don't care. Maybe because I know he's gonna be dead again by the end of the series. Same with Gwen Stacy.

It doesn't seem like House of M is gonna shake up the status quo unlike Infinite Crisis which DC is hyping up that it will shatter the DC universe.

Wellman

07-07-2005, 03:57 PM

Zephyranthes

07-08-2005, 06:33 PM

Bendis can't write epics, great character stories but I haven't seen him do a good epic story that would actually touch the stuff DC appears to have lined up. Not to mention the whole lack of build up to the event in any book except the waste of story concept and name that was the recent Excalibur series.

Seriously in proper editorial and writing hands, I could see HoM having good consequences (everyone in the world remembers the event or chunks of the failed universe like altered fake nations stay in the regular Marvel U). But more than likely the entire thing is just going to be used to explain bringing a few folk back from the dead like Doom, Hawkeye and maybe Thor.

I'm not sure what you mean by "epics." But I'm assuming you mean stories that encompass numerous characters. Regardless, I have pretty good faith in Bendis' comic writing skills and I've been satisfied with his "epic" stories in Avengers and such.

I suppose the debate of whether or not his work matches up the DC stuff is largely a matter of personal taste. And, like I've probably grumbled a buncha times, I still think this House of M stuff is more entertaining than Crisis. I wouldn't say there was a lack of build-up for House of M. Disassembled served as build-up; the only thing is that it wasn't blatantly serving as build-up and it didn't have a HOUSE OF M TIE-IN logo on it. The core of the story is kept in the actual miniseries and there's not as much blatant marketing.

Did anyone here look at the latest issue of Omac Project? Now THAT is utter bullshit. At the end of the comic, they tell you to read 3 issues of Superman and 1 issue of Wonder Woman before you read the next issue of Omac? What the hell is that? Miniseries shouldn't be doing that. At least with House of M, the main story is in the actual miniseries and the spin-offs/tie-ins are all optional, designed to flesh out the world of HoM, not serve as extra chapters of the story. (Although Excalibur's two issue prelude claimed to be relevant to HoM, it's Claremont, so it doesn't really count.)

Oh yeah, and I think it's unfair to look down on HoM based on assumptions on its conseuquences, which we haven't even witnessed yet.

DeadlyRaveNeo

07-09-2005, 10:57 AM

Im not too big on "epics" either, I'm only reading Villains united on DC's part and I'm just reading the main House of M on Marvel. Villains United is pretty damn cool, I dunno half the characters but and I'm not really big on superhero comics (id actually love DC more if they actually did more "Detective stuff" like their namesake) but I'm enjoying VU a lot.

David Lapham is tearing all kinds of shit on Detective Comics and now he's doing Punisher vs Daredevil for Marvel. Lemme just say that there are only 3 writers that have made me enjoy Daredevil, Bendis and Miller are the other two, and of course Lapham proves himself worthy with this one.

Zephyranthes

07-09-2005, 11:46 AM

I've read the first volume of Lapham's Stray Bullets and I absolutely love it to death. As soon as I can, I'm gonna get the next volumes of it. I actually didn't enjoy his Detective Comics as much, though. It just doesn't grab me like I was hoping it would. I'm not sure what it is. I like his concept and the way he creates ambience, but I'm just not getting into the writing like I got into Stray Bullets. Those Detective issues also seem to go overboard with some melodramatic narrative captions, which detract from the tone. I'll give it another look when it comes out collected, but I stopped reading after the fifth or sixth issue. What I love about Stray Bullets is the subtlety in the writing. I think Detective isn't as subtle, which, come to think of it, is probably why I don't enjoy it as much as I want to.

Daredevil's another one of my favorite characters, though, and the few pages I have seen of Punisher/DD looks pretty sweet. I like his artwork quite a bit. It is kinda odd to see the '70s-era Punisher design, though, with the white gloves and boots. I'm most likely gonna wait for the collected edition of this one. But if you're comparing his DD quality to Bendis and Miller, I'm definitely down with that.

Oh yeah. I finally got an entire run of Preacher. Got every volume on eBay for about 50 bucks including shipping. Also got Kabuki volumes 1-6 off eBay for 30 bucks shipped. Those deals were just too good that I couldn't resist. I'm so satisfied with just looking at all those books stacked on top of each other that I'm scared to pick one up and begin reading, for fear of tainting the glory of sexy comics with my dirty fingers.

Speaking of Kabuki, I'd have to say that David Mack is also another guy whose Daredevil work I really love. I guess it was kind of annoying the way Echo- Vision Quest took up several months between Hardcore and The Kingpin of Hell's Kitchen, but I can't deny the beauty of the finished product.

P.S. DeadlyRaveNeo- Your avatar is pretty funny.

Nemesis00

07-09-2005, 01:19 PM

Yeah, Echo is one of the better newer characters in Marvel. Sick power, sick backstory, sick design. She should have her own monthly, or atleast random series'.

And I'd have to agree on Punisher's looks. It's just too hard for me to take him serious when he's dressed like that. They should just import the MAX custome into the mainstream MU.

Wellman

07-09-2005, 05:20 PM

I'm not sure what you mean by "epics." But I'm assuming you mean stories that encompass numerous characters. Regardless, I have pretty good faith in Bendis' comic writing skills and I've been satisfied with his "epic" stories in Avengers and such.

I suppose the debate of whether or not his work matches up the DC stuff is largely a matter of personal taste. And, like I've probably grumbled a buncha times, I still think this House of M stuff is more entertaining than Crisis. I wouldn't say there was a lack of build-up for House of M. Disassembled served as build-up; the only thing is that it wasn't blatantly serving as build-up and it didn't have a HOUSE OF M TIE-IN logo on it. The core of the story is kept in the actual miniseries and there's not as much blatant marketing.

Did anyone here look at the latest issue of Omac Project? Now THAT is utter bullshit. At the end of the comic, they tell you to read 3 issues of Superman and 1 issue of Wonder Woman before you read the next issue of Omac? What the hell is that? Miniseries shouldn't be doing that. At least with House of M, the main story is in the actual miniseries and the spin-offs/tie-ins are all optional, designed to flesh out the world of HoM, not serve as extra chapters of the story. (Although Excalibur's two issue prelude claimed to be relevant to HoM, it's Claremont, so it doesn't really count.)

Oh yeah, and I think it's unfair to look down on HoM based on assumptions on its conseuquences, which we haven't even witnessed yet.

Yeah, personally I think Bendis usually can write great stories especially outside of the normal superheroics stuff where you can build on a character like DD and USM at the start. But in stuff like Avengers he falls pretty flat.

My main beef with HoM probably deals with the fact that the first issue should have been a double sized one including the material from 1 and 2. The fact that next issue will be the hlaf way point in the entire main series and the plot is just starting to move forward is a bad sign for me. It probably means the majority of the plot ideas will be rushed out at the end which never works for me when I invest in a story.

Carpet Lint

07-10-2005, 11:50 AM

Oh yeah. I finally got an entire run of Preacher. Got every volume on eBay for about 50 bucks including shipping.
Why are you still here? Why aren't you reading it right now?

And 50 bucks is a pretty damn good deal. I think I bought all my 100 Bullets trades off eBay for around 70. Still cheaper than buying them all individually from the shop though. If you're looking for a big bunch of trades then eBay is generally the place to look.

When is the Invincible hardcover coming out?

Preppy

07-10-2005, 01:56 PM

Preacher: Awesome.
100 Bullets: Loved it, but then it seems to just kind of wander all over, and has to me lost its early edge.

Is Invincible good? How about Kabuki? I picked up the first Kabuki trade and it just seemed a little too art-centric. I'll pick up Stray Bullets next time I'm there - they were out of everything but the hardback yesterday. I just picked up Sandman Mystery Theatre vol 1 and Cowboy Wally (best GN ever).

This week's pulls:
Pulse #9: Probably the worst issue so far. Not horrible, but not much happens on-screen and there's not a lot of visible character development. Skip or pick up in trades.
Albion #1: wtf? Anybody else pick this up? I'll pick these up because I gleefully ride Moore's jock, I would rate this a must miss for now. If it's good, you'll be better off by picking up #2/#3 (or whereever it starts to make sense) at the same time. =P Skip.
Planetary #23: Quick read, but cool. I was wondering how Ellis was going to wrap this all up in the next 3(?) issues, and it looks like this was the crux. A pick-up.
Y the Last Man #35: Still surprisingly interesting in that it's kind of hard to tell where the hell it's going. Something to probably get in trades.

Zephyranthes

07-10-2005, 05:57 PM

I've read the first seven 100 Bullets books and I think it's really good, if sprawling. It's tough to keep all the characters straight along with their allegiances and motivations, which is kinda nice because it's not really a story that you can just blast through in one sitting. And it isn't overly confusing that it requires numerous re-readings.

I like Invincible some. I haven't been following it closely. Only read the first book and a couple random issues here and there. When it comes to Robert Kirkman, I'm definitely a vehement supporter of The Walking Dead. There are three volumes out. It's sorta like Y: The Last Man, except that the apocalyptic tragedy is people turning into zombies (as opposed to all males dying). It's not a cheesy horror story, but it's more of an examination of human nature, much like Y. It isn't quite as cerebral as Y, but in a lot of ways, it's much more visceral.

Sandman Mystery Theatre is one of my personal favorites. I've read the first few trades and a couple other random storyarcs here and there. I have most of the entire series in single issues, but I want to really sit down and read all of them in order. I didn't discover SMT until about maybe 18 months ago, and at that time, there was only one trade, which is why I spent so much time and effort tracking down individual issues (for cheap, of course- I refuse to pay more than cover price for a comic book), only to witness Vertigo begin to s l o w l y publish more volumes.

I haven't started Kabuki yet, but I've flipped through the books. The first book was finished early in Mack's career, and judging by the later Kabuki books and his work in Daredevil, it looks like everything improves.

I didn't pick up Albion because Moore's only listed as a co-writer. It feels like whenever Moore is just a co-writer, all he really does is do some plotting and throw in some general ideas. Terra Obscura- he was listed as co-writer on that one, too- was only okay, lacking the magic that is present when he's really writing. That said, Terra Obscura didn't suck, and I can't imagine Albion sucking, either. So I'll probably check it out when it gets collected.

So what's Cowboy Wally like? I've read some of Kyle Baker's work (although I haven't checked out any Plastic Man yet) and I like his style. He seems to be one of the few amazing artists who can also write well. Hype this book up for me so I'll remember to buy it one of these days!

Preppy

07-13-2005, 01:45 PM

House of M 3: Skip it.
Strange #6: Strange was good for the first two issues and then sunk into Lamesylvania. Not bad, just not good. Skip it. Read the TPB if you're addicted to Straczynski. =\

Cowboy Wally: His major "independent" work I'd rank as: Cartoonist Vol 1, Cowboy Wally Show / Why I Hate Saturn, You Are Here, I Die At Midnight, Undercover Genie, King David, Cartoonist Vol 2. Cowboy Wally is the one graphic novel I return to most often - unlike Watchmen or any of the the other "major" GNs, you can just pick up any page, laugh, and you're good. It's like Napolean Dynamite that way, 'cept more geniunely funny.

A text description of a scene from Chapter 1 of Cowboy Wally, where Wally is testifying before the Senate:
WALLY (with shit-eating grin): Sorry I'm late, fellows, but I was teaching Sunday school at the local orphanage.
SENATOR: On Wednesday.
WALLY: I consider every day to be a Sunday.
It's just little moments of genius like that all over the place....
AL SPACE: Today, we're going to learn how to make lots of money real fast. Do you know how to make lots of money real fast, Jimmy?
JIMMY: Sell cigarettes at AA meetings.
AL SPACE: Very good, Jimmy. And now for a commercial.

Head out to Barnes & Nobles or Borders or someplace else that they let you browse the TPBs before buying and get a feel for it. The first chapter is a collection of Baker's early gag work, and the next three chapters are (funny) stories. Probably my favorite is Sands of Blood (chapter 2), but the other two chapters also had me ROTFLMAO. I don't want to spoil any of that, but manpants, some of it is great. :smile:

box

07-13-2005, 09:07 PM

I agree about Strange. It was pretty good for 1st bit... then it just bit the dust.

I picked up JLA, New avengers and Y the last man Volume 5 TPB. All of em were good reads.

FreddyL0c0

07-13-2005, 09:15 PM

Picked up the latest issue of New avengers.

weird cliffhanger setup in the last page, but interesting nonetheless.

Zephyranthes

07-13-2005, 09:34 PM

I really LOVED that final page in New Avengers. I was laughing long and hard. It's quite a daring development and a bold move. Many props to Bendis.

Today, the only new comic I bought was the latest issue of The Amazing Adventures Of The Escapist. This latest one features an original, full-length (80 pages) story written by Michael Chabon himself. And that Brian Bolland cover is probably one of the top comics covers all year. Anyone else read the Kavalier and Clay novel or the Escapist comics?

DeadlyRaveNeo

07-13-2005, 10:20 PM

lol i didn't know what Black Bolt's full name was and that it was that dorky. lol

anyway, I enjoyed it as well, nice to see McNiven's art again.

P. Gorath

07-15-2005, 02:21 PM

I picked up the U.S. War Machine tpb from marvel MAX.

I thought it was a really good story and I liked the style of the art. Modok and Darkhawk was a total wtf but in a cool way. The book was hilarious and meaningful.

I do wonder though - were the original comic issues on such crappy paper? It's like newsprint.

I had some 90s nostalgia recently so I got Xcutioner's Song and Xtinction Agenda off of ebay.

and as to sandman mystery theater, matt wagner > you

Preppy

07-15-2005, 04:00 PM

P. Gorath

07-15-2005, 04:34 PM

I love the concept of most Matt Wagner stuff - the premise of Mage and the ideas of Grendel are great. But his execution usually is pretty shitty. Maybe it's the amateur artwork on Mage(? no offense to fans), and most of the Grendel stuff other than Black/Red/White doesn't really capture the glory of the great mythos it is.

Amateur artwork on Mage? Youve got to be kidding me. Are you talking about the second series? Or the first?

Most of the Grendel stuff OTHER than b/w/r?? I would say that the b/w/r tales from the crypt-style short stories rarely scratch the surface of what Grendel is. You want fucking glory of Grendel and the heart of darkness vol. 2 #'s 13-15 and 20-40 are where it's at. I would defy anyone to show me a run with the scope, power, and insight as 20-40. Add in Devil in our Midst and you have execution out the ass.

Matt Wagner is one of the best artists out there because his style bends to everything he does. Check out his different interpretations of Batman (compare trinity to b/g 1) and his color work in Devil Quest. Hell, just look at the first Mage series versus the second - some readers rebelled at the more "cartoony" style of the second series but it fit perfectly with what Wagner was trying to do.

Preppy

07-15-2005, 05:24 PM

^-- Was that you who randomly negged me for having an opinion? I can't seem to think of who else it would be, yet whoever left it was too cowardly to sign their name... ?

* I bought the first complete series of _Mage_. Love the story/plot/mythology, the art just seemed too "Superfriends" for my taste. If you like the art, great. Bear in mind that I don't like Image style art either - I'm a fan of Steve Dillon, Dave Gibbons, Brent Anderson and a lot of the other more realistic artists, but I personally have trouble identifying with "distorted" art representations of people. There is a simplicity in the artwork in Mage that might work for others... it doesn't work for me. As a fan of the Arthurian legends, I really wanted to love it... I didn't. *shrug*

* I've got pretty much every Grendel thing put out. Behind me in my office is the 4 foot fucking high Grendel poster. At home, you get served on a Grendel (or Sin City) coaster, and if you eat in my dining room, there's a not-too-hidden Grendel action figure keeping things in check. So before anybody jumps down my throat for Not Respecting Grendel or whatnot, bear in mind that if it's Grendel, I've either read it or have it. But at the same time I can recognize that there is a dark magnificence in Grendel that I think doesn't come out nearly enough. Some of Grendel just seems ... rushed, pushed, and not immersive/rich enough compared to the background mythos it's set against. Grendel is something I'd love to be able to push on to my friends just for the sheer majesty of concept, but to me there's a lack of accessible entry point to the series to outsiders. And by "outsiders", I'm talking about non-comic book store people. My friend Chris and I both dig Grendel, but Heather or Mike aren't willing to sit through a series or two to start to groove with it. Maybe their loss.

I'm still stunned at the stupidity and short-sidedness of whoever negged me. I thought part of the reason for a thread like this was to allow people to express their opinions. Whoever negged me is a fucking embarassment to SRK and should either get the fuck out of this thread (I hope to god you're not randomly anonymously negging other people here for their opinions - that'd be fucking abusive) or chill the fuck out. Sorry for not goose-stepping to your beat, asshat. I mean, think about it... between my site, the hub, and helping out on the Computer Support Thread (I'm currently debugging through the latest help request there, since, hey, I do work at Microsoft)... how is my net contribution to SRK even remotely negative? Thanks for helping me sour on the scene that much further. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Attached pic of the office...
Top shelf left: Snoopy driving the blue Megaman Gustaff. Havok, Silver Surfer, Gambit, Prof X, Juggy hanging out. The far right thing is a weird transforming water bottle(?) from Japan. (That company also made a transforming PS2, which I wants, precious, I wants.)
Bottom shelf: Lucy's Psychiatric Help booth offering help to Winona Ryder (ala Scissorhands) while Magneto waits in line.
Art on right: Blue is a subway poster ad for the Art of Noise. Black is obviously the 4 foot high Grendel poster. Top right and bottom right are just random art pieces (bottom by Brian Andreas, though, who's great). Right middle is an autographed 1998 Comic Expo print of Nancy (Sin City).
The other side of my office is lined with the art from the Watchmen portfolio, a bunch of other stuff, and some pages from Preacher.
My door's got pages of Preacher, Sin City, Cowboy Wally, the Tick, and Toyfare... right underneath my name plate is that awesome two page spread from Preacher when Hoover finally confesses his love. :tup:
My office is a goddamn toy box. :smile:

P. Gorath

07-15-2005, 05:38 PM

^-- Was that you who randomly negged me for having an opinion? I can't seem to think of who else it would be, yet whoever left it was too cowardly to sign their name... ?

* I bought the first complete series of _Mage_. Love the story/plot/mythology, the art just seemed too "Superfriends" for my taste. If you like the art, great. Bear in mind that I don't like Image style art either - I'm a fan of Steve Dillon, Dave Gibbons, Brent Anderson and a lot of the other more realistic artists, but I personally have trouble identifying with "distorted" art representations of people. There is a simplicity in the artwork in Mage that might work for others... it doesn't work for me. As a fan of the Arthurian legends, I really wanted to love it... I didn't. *shrug*

* I've got pretty much every Grendel thing put out. Behind me in my office is the 4 foot fucking high Grendel poster. At home, you get served on a Grendel (or Sin City) coaster, and if you eat in my dining room, there's a not-too-hidden Grendel action figure keeping things in check. So before anybody jumps down my throat for Not Respecting Grendel or whatnot, bear in mind that if it's Grendel, I've either read it or have it. But at the same time I can recognize that there is a dark magnificence in Grendel that I think doesn't come out nearly enough. Some of Grendel just seems ... rushed, pushed, and not immersive/rich enough compared to the background mythos it's set against. Grendel is something I'd love to be able to push on to my friends just for the sheer majesty of concept, but to me there's a lack of accessible entry point to the series to outsiders. And by "outsiders", I'm talking about non-comic book store people. My friend Chris and I both dig Grendel, but Heather or Mike aren't willing to sit through a series or two to start to groove with it. Maybe their loss.

I'm still stunned at the stupidity and short-sidedness of whoever negged me. I thought part of the reason for a thread like this was to allow people to express their opinions. Whoever negged me is a fucking embarassment to SRK and should either get the fuck out of this thread (I hope to god you're not randomly anonymously negging other people here for their opinions - that'd be fucking abusive) or chill the fuck out. Sorry for not goose-stepping to your beat, asshat.
first off, of course I negged you dummy, and why the hell would I waste my time typing anything for a neg? I see something I don't agree with, I neg. You should see all the negs in the Hillary Clinton thread. So pull your panties up already - you've got what, 3k points? And you start and end your post crying about a neg that doesnt matter in the first place? Jesus Christ.

So you weren't actually around for the comico Mage series, you just picked up the recent image trade and got the full exposure...I'm failing to see how you can categorize the art in mage as not realistic, considering at one point in the series it is even photo-realistic.

And your Grendel rant continues to make no sense without some sort of examples to back you up. You talk about the impressive mythos, so there must be a work that impressed you to call it so or how would you know it? Accessibility is a whole other monster, and really has little in my mind to do with a book's merit.

Preppy

07-15-2005, 05:56 PM

first off, of course I negged you dummy, and why the hell would I waste my time typing anything for a neg? I see something I don't agree with, I neg. You should see all the negs in the Hillary Clinton thread. So pull your panties up already - you've got what, 3k points? And you start and end your post crying about a neg that doesnt matter in the first place? Jesus Christ.Whoever negged me is a fucking embarassment to SRK and should either get the fuck out of this thread (I hope to god you're not randomly anonymously negging other people here for their opinions - that'd be fucking abusive)Nice! :rolleyes: I'm glad to know that you would like people to not offer opinions contrary to yours. Here's one: you're a cock. It's a goddamn comic book discussion, son. I don't desire to get involved in political discussions here, but I thought this thread was safe from random anonymous cowards.
You're right, though - your neg does little to me. But I called you out because your tactics are stupid and community-killing. When the non-Premiums talk about random Premium asshats... well, it looks like you're one of those people. That saddens me.So you weren't actually around for the comico Mage series, you just picked up the recent image trade and got the full exposure...I'm failing to see how you can categorize the art in mage as not realistic, considering at one point in the series it is even photo-realistic. Recent? I read it 2-3 years ago... ? I don't even recall. I was just recounting the impression I got. I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition, but then nobody expects...
It's a simplistic art style where I read it. You know it, I know it, your dad's gay lover's dog knows it. You like it, I don't. That's where that whole "room for interpretation" comes in. The museums are full of AWESOME paintings that make me and a lot of people yawn. Surprise - opinions vary.And your Grendel rant continues to make no sense without some sort of examples to back you up. You talk about the impressive mythos, so there must be a work that impressed you to call it so or how would you know it? Accessibility is a whole other monster, and really has little in my mind to do with a book's merit.Well, seeing as I've read every book in the series that I've seen available, it would be hard for me to pinpoint the exact point at which I recognize the beauty. I would probably suggest the short stories in B/W/R or B/R/W or whatever, but that's evidently not acceptable to you, so I guess I'll just have to shake my head, kick my foot at the grass and say : "it's just my opinion". The first couple "long story" collections haven't seemed to sell people on it. I haven't bothered assaulting them to figure out their opinion. I find that that doesn't make for good relations.

If you want to sell people on the goodness of something, it's probably better to suggest what they might have missed out on. If somebody says to me, "Preacher sucks!", I'll say... read the last graphic novel. It's called a constructive community effort. But no, you just evidently lurk behind your keyboard in your ULTIMATE SUPREMACY OF OPINION and are much more of a man than anyone else on SRK could ever hope to be.
I don't make of a bone about who I am. I've got a good life, and I try to do a lot of good for a lot of people. I don't like people like you. Right now, I think you're scum. No offense, but you've done a fantastic job of showing how little of a person you are. You're right, the rep system doesn't matter to me at this point any more, but you're using it abusively, and as someone who runs community stuff professionally... I hate cowardly asshats like you. I can see why people want the rep system turned off. :xeye:

P. Gorath

07-15-2005, 06:20 PM

Nice! :rolleyes: I'm glad to know that you would like people to not offer opinions contrary to yours. Here's one: you're a cock. It's a goddamn comic book discussion, son.What the fuck are you talking about? People can offer all the opinions they want, and I can offer my opinion by negging them. Are you turning into Motoki or something? It's a neg, not a mortal wound. I've been negged more than anyone on this forum and I'm not crying about it because rep means nothing - its just a fun addition to srk.
I was just recounting the impression I got. I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition, but then nobody expects...
It's a simplistic art style where I read it. You know it, I know it, your dad's gay lover's dog knows it. You like it, I don't. That's where that whole "room for interpretation" comes in. The museums are full of AWESOME paintings that make me and a lot of people yawn. And you can better evaluate peoples opinions by learning the reasoning behind them, of which I was trying to do. I was perplexed at your assertion regarding realism in Mage and was hoping that you could expound upon it as it seems like the opposite is true but your reluctance to do so makes your position look pretty shakey.
Well, seeing as I've read every book in the series that I've seen available, it would be hard for me to pinpoint the exact point at which I recognize the beauty. I would probably suggest the short stories in B/W/R or B/R/W or whatever, but that's evidently not acceptable to you, so I guess I'll just have to shake my head, kick my foot at the grass and say : "it's just my opinion". The first couple "long story" collections haven't seemed to sell people on it. I haven't bothered assaulting them to figure out their opinion. I find that that doesn't make for good relations.Alright, so the truth comes out. Just admit that you dont know what the fuck you are talking about, are a poseur, and can't give one example to back yourself up because apparently you haven't read anything upon which you speak. You fault a guy for not living up to his own mythos, but then you can't say either where the mythos came from or where you find it deficient. Just say "Sorry Gabe, I was talking out of my ass when it came to Grendel" and I will understand.

If you want to sell people on the goodness of something, it's probably better to suggest what they might have missed out on. If somebody says to me, "Preacher sucks!", I'll say... read the last graphic novel. It's called a constructive community effort. But no, you just evidently lurk behind your keyboard in your ULTIMATE SUPREMACY OF OPINION and are much more of a man than anyone else on SRK could ever hope to be. I'm not trying to sell anything here and my first post in regard to yours had nothing to do with saying that my opinion was better than yours. I was genuinely perplexed at what you had written and so I offered a counter-argument backing up my thoughts on the artists

I don't make of a bone about who I am. I've got a good life, and I try to do a lot of good for a lot of people. I don't like people like you. Right now, I think you're scum. No offense, but you've done a fantastic job of showing how little of a person you are. You're right, the rep system doesn't matter to me at this point any more, but you're using it abusively, and as someone who runs community stuff professionally... I hate cowardly asshats like you. I can see why people want the rep system turned off. :xeye:
christ, again if I knew negging you was like slaughtering your firstborn son then I would have put a little more thought into it. Dont get all high and mighty about a rep system that you abused in the first place to get as much rep as you have.

Preppy

07-15-2005, 06:36 PM

Dont get all high and mighty about a rep system that you abused in the first place to get as much rep as you have.In one post, I said "Hit back if you'd like". That's it as far as I can tell. Feel free to obsessively correct me. I pos-rep people for being Premium (thank you for supporting SRK), for Funny, for Great Contributions, etc. I don't think your critique holds water, but whatever. My assumption has been that I shouldn't need to troll for karma, and it hasn't seemed like I needed to. As mentioned, I think I clearly make a positive contribution to the scene. I can end it, though, if you'd like, if I've got a mistaken impression here...

Bad Recovery

07-15-2005, 07:32 PM

Does anyone have a good comic book site? Reviews, updates, recommendations, stuff like that? I also stopped picking up new books a few years ago, and I'm looking to catch up. I do occasionally read some of the older stuff (From Hell, Sandman, DKR, etc...).

Zephyranthes

07-15-2005, 08:52 PM

A good comics site is www.thefourthrail.com

Out of all reviews sites I've come across, the two guys who write that site are the best. Even if I don't always agree with them, they always explain why they feel the way they feel, and I really respect that. Plus, they review tons of stuff- superheroes, mainstream books, indie books, art books. You can really get tuned in to some really good comics by browsing that site and checking the archives and such.

Or, plenty of us here are ready and willing to pimp the books we love. The random good book I'll plug in this post is... Teenagers From Mars, 'cause it's the first thing I saw as I just glanced at my bookshelf.

Teenagers From Mars, by Rick Spears and Rob G.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0976303809/qid=1121485538/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-8051206-6584650?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Preppy

07-17-2005, 01:50 AM

Speaking of good links - thanks for that one - I've appreciated the http://wikipedia.org info on comic characters (since I don't always know the backstories), but http://www.thexaxis.com/indexes/intro.htm turns out to be really great too. It's an issue-by-issue recap of the major X-books, being filled in as time goes on (from ... 278-408 or something now). *Wow*. I'm impressed that anybody ever took the time to do this.

LostPhrack

07-17-2005, 03:19 AM

Or, plenty of us here are ready and willing to pimp the books we love. The random good book I'll plug in this post is... Teenagers From Mars, 'cause it's the first thing I saw as I just glanced at my bookshelf.

Teenagers From Mars, by Rick Spears and Rob G.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0976303809/qid=1121485538/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-8051206-6584650?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Seconded! Teenagers From Mars was a blast. I had heard a lot of good things about it, and I was a little worried about the hype, but yeah..wow. Good book there.

box

07-20-2005, 12:19 PM

Picked up House of M 4, Astonishing X-men 11, and Marvel Knights Spidey 16 today.

House of M 4 was good. Finally figured out the reason why Wolvie was able to remember the real world. Also it's good seeing some of the lesser used characters like Cloak get in some screen time.

Astonishing X-men had a good but very brief tango between Charles and Danger. Still hasn't concluded yet and there's gonna be one last huge battle in #12.

Marvel knights #16 was better this time around. FAntastic Four guest starred and the story actually went somewhere this time. Dialogue is still iffy, but the story ain't too bad this issue.

Carpet Lint

07-20-2005, 12:52 PM

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS

I think I'm a week behind though. Still need to pick up this week's stuff.

- Anyone read All Star Batman & Robin or whatever? I thought it was good stuff - though I think it's impossible for me to say anything less about a Batman book with Jim Lee.

"On your feet soldier. You've just been drafted. Into a war."

That's some DKR Batman goodness right there.

- Fables is excellent. I love it more than any other book out there, and I don't know why. This is the guy who drew the first arc - I like Willingham, but this is the guy who hooked me in the first place. Odd that I can't remember his name though.

- New Avengers...weird. Interesting though. But I swear to God, Bendis, if you don't resolve EVERYTHING inside of three issues, I'm hunting you down.

I mean, come on. Seriously.
http://www.nationallampoon.com/nl/08_features/superhero/ff08.jpg

- Fuck OMAC. I'm not picking up three issues of Superman or Wonder Woman. I'm already buying your goddamn book! Why do I have to read OTHER BOOKS to understand the one I bought? It's a mini-series too! DC loses big points on this one. And this Rucka writing is weak. WEAK.

I'm liking Villians United though. Just a little bit. All the Crisis mini-series suck though.

And on a random whim, I ordered Cowboy Wally from my store. If it doesn't completely kick ass, I will rape you guys. I do like Kyle Baker though.

FreddyL0c0

07-21-2005, 10:17 PM

picked up Ultimates, Astonish X, and House of M 4

-Astonishing was great as always, wild sentinel looks weird, and I think its safe to assume that Xavier is posssibly playing a mind trick with the x-men, thus being (as previewed) rejected. we shall see.

-House of M 4 is finally going somewhere. 2 and 3 were really more introduction to the twisted world. I think this had the weakest Benids style cliffhanger I can recall for now.

-Ultimates: If that last line is any hint as to who the wolf in the fold was, then boy is this series about to blow up. I was thinking prior to this issue who could it be, and im happy that im seemingly completely off.

spoilers:

Its Cap right?? And I cant believe they killed hawkeye in this series as well, god damn. And how could it be cap, wouldn't he had kicked the crap out of Hank again instead of having coffee with him in issue 6. Although the cover does kinda of suggest that it is truly cap, its quite a ballzy move from Mark Millar. Lets see where it goes from here.

Wellman

07-21-2005, 11:07 PM

^^

Possible SPOILER ALERT... on three

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I doubt it is Cap, I mean seriously he is the fucking heart of the team and starred in the first issue of the series. Dude is definately not going any where soon, can't say the same for Betty, Jan and possibily a schizo Hank.

/SPOILER

Geese Pants

07-22-2005, 08:09 AM

Whew........finally got around to getting my books.........SPOILERS!!!!!!

NYX #6 - OMG after almost a year, I finally get the 6th issue, and it is WEAK!!!! Pimp's brother can enter bodies...and is after the crew. Damnit.

Darkstalkers #5 - Good ass story so far......Talbain with his WTF look at the kid.

Teen Titans #24-25 and Outsiders #24-25 - Just to see how they intertwine. Starfire beasted the hell out of Brainic.

Batman/Superman #20 - WTF was that? Cool to see Ed McG on the pencils, but WTF was the story about? Was Lois killed? What was the scene with Batzarro and Bizarro?

Green Lantern #1-2 - FUCKIN YEAH!!! Jordan is top tier!

buyproduct

07-22-2005, 08:24 AM

Pick up lots of stuff.

Astonishing xmen- WEAK. This storyline is just plain impotent. Lets undo all the damage done last issue with a healer. Fight between danger and xavier was retarded. No real story progression. Last 3 issues could have been one.

Ultimates - Only Mark Miller book worth reading. I like where this is going. I liked the thor and stark panels and hawkeye got beasted and killed in a good death scene.

Day of Vengence- This is the best of the Crisis Mini's. Detective chimp should get his own action figure.

Teen Titans- Ok. It was decent recap of superboys history and how he fits in the Dc universe.

Wolverine. Sucked. Cannot wait till this storyline is over. Mark miller ruined a good thing in my opinion.

Airthrow

07-22-2005, 10:34 AM

Anyone read Exiles?

Wellman

07-23-2005, 12:19 AM

Skip the entire post if you are worried about SPOILERS

SPOILERS on three

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The Hawkeye thing to me seems premature, but Millar didn't seem to do much with the character anyway. Still a waste and the shit with the his family was horrible I hope he still somehow makes it but damn, it looks like it is over for him.

Read Cable/Deadpool, not really the best of issues but entertaining. Anyone know if they were really in the actual HoM universe or was it an actual alternate reality or something? From the looks of it Nieceza is working on an accelerated time table already getting to the end of the event before Bendis. Not complaining but it all seemed pretty weird at the end withe the white out.

Pained Auron

07-23-2005, 12:28 AM

KungfuJoe

07-23-2005, 11:12 AM

- Anyone read All Star Batman & Robin or whatever? I thought it was good stuff - though I think it's impossible for me to say anything less about a Batman book with Jim Lee.

"On your feet soldier. You've just been drafted. Into a war."

I will say this that all star batman & robin was ok! I thought the writing was not up to snuff Miller writes far better than this what happen?

KFJ

DeathScythe

07-23-2005, 11:43 AM

I will say this that all star batman & robin was ok! I thought the writing was not up to snuff Miller writes far better than this what happen?

KFJ

Yeah. But I like the fact that it has a slow start right now rather than cramming everything down our throat. So who knows. Maybe we'll get some crazy action at about issue 5? But yeah, too much hype for it and it was an OK start. Nothing big happened really. And for some reason Jims Batman looked Miller-esque.

Adam Warlock

07-23-2005, 12:04 PM

so i read the new jla, and i gotta say that the best part is when batman punches hawkman. house of m is starting to get better. i recently read green lantern rebirth. now this was the first gl series i have ever read. but the story was great, and hal is the man
Hell yeah. And for Hawkman to think he's fucking with Batman, he's crazy. Carter might have the edge physically but when has that ever meant shit to Batman? I wish they would have let him go so Bats could have handled his ass.

Rage02fire

07-23-2005, 12:09 PM

Anyone checked out the ultimate version of moonknight in Ultimate Spider-man yet?

He looks kinda better IMO

KungfuJoe

07-23-2005, 12:33 PM

Anyone read Exiles?

off and on not much into it.

KFJ

DJTakashi

07-23-2005, 11:27 PM

Anyone checked out the ultimate version of moonknight in Ultimate Spider-man yet?

He looks kinda better IMO

I thought so too, actually.

Spidey/Eleckta in the elevator was pimp.

"Stop staring at those."

P. Gorath

07-25-2005, 09:17 AM

I finished Ennis's first Punisher arc (mk1-12) this weekend. I thought it was really good. Punisher vs Marvel U. was pretty bad though.

box

07-26-2005, 10:55 PM

V for Vendetta trailer is out:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/v_for_vendetta/

I've never read the actual comic. Is it any good?

ViciousSLASH

07-26-2005, 11:01 PM

The Ultimates is the best comic out now, period.

Jesus christ that was cool. I'm betting it's Nick Fury. But whoever it is it's gonna be awesome.

The Hawkeye scene happened out of nowhere. Damn comic is a like a damn great motion picture moving at a mile a minute.

Preppy

07-27-2005, 12:49 AM

Punisher: Yeah, early stuff is much better in my eyes. Later stuff with Ennis is still pretty solid, but nothing as over the top clowny/cohesive as the first run. I still pick it up for the ocassional grim chuckle. :smile:

V for Vendetta? Yeah, I'm into it. It's definitely a different style than you see around nowadays, and feels a little dated, but overall holds together really well. I would definitely give it a read/recommend it... probably on my "Top 20" list, but not too much higher.

Picked up the Terra Obscura collections from eBay because frankly the single issues never came out around here. It was solid and had some interesting twists/characters, but overall felt pretty rushed, especially in volume 2 book six. I'd probably say, of the ABC line that I've read, Top Ten >>>>> America's Best Comics >> Terra Obscura >> Tom Strong > Promethea. Promethea is goddamn awesome in parts, but the loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong "journey" (you know what I'm talking about) isn't why I buy comics. Still, the villains in Promethea probably trump any other villains in the ABC line.

box

07-27-2005, 08:04 PM

Picked up amazing spider-man. Pretty cool what Spidey did to Wolvie in this issue.

Picked up superman/batman. All I can say is meh. 4 more issues before I drop this title.

And FF gets another meh. 1 more issue before I drop this title.

RoninChaos

07-27-2005, 11:04 PM

What's the name of the story where Hal Jordan sacrifices himself to re-ignite the sun? Is it available in trade paperback?

Geese Pants

07-27-2005, 11:13 PM

What's the name of the story where Hal Jordan sacrifices himself to re-ignite the sun? Is it available in trade paperback?

The Final Night (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/156389419X/103-5350685-1971024?v=glance)..........

LostPhrack

07-28-2005, 01:22 AM

Grabbed three things, an issue of Luciferas I attempt to catch up on the series, the latest issue of Astro City: The Dark Age, and the new Rick Spears and Rob G. book, Dead West.

I haven't read Lucifer yet, still need a few issues before it, just trying to catch up..

Astro City: The Dark Age wasn't too shabby though. I'm really curious about where the Silver Agent story is going, probably more so than what's going to happen to the two main characters of the series. I'm pretty pleased with being able to see some of the back story of the city, when certain characters appeared, events that changed them etc. I also dug the hell out of Simon whathisname, the mage guy, looked very slick and I dug the two pages of sketches and character design bits for him.

Dead West was a little disappointing. I guess I was expecting something with the same magic of Teenagers From Mars, only set in the west. Instead it's almost entirely a straight forward western story, albeit with zombies. The art was still lovely, had lots of cool and funny moments, etc. But yeah.. it was basically Clint Eastwood vs. Zombies. It was done well though, just.. I expected more I guess. Still a good read though, if a bit quick.

Preppy

08-01-2005, 01:42 AM

XMen Movie: This is probably old news to everybody, but I was looking at the X-Men Indexes, and ran across Stacey X (http://www.thexaxis.com/indexes/uncannyxmen/399.htm) and Josette (http://www.thexaxis.com/uncannyxmen/uncannyxmen415.htm). Since they've talked about wanting to have the new villain(?) be "able to seduce anyone" as their power, either might be a good fit/basis, just as Rachel Darkchylde/Mastermind/whatever kind of provided the gist of the X2 villain...? Sorry for those who already knew about these characters - I stopped reading the X-books a while ago, so this was the first I'd heard of these people. =\

Zephyranthes

08-01-2005, 01:51 AM

I liked the Stacy X character. I recently reread Joe Casey's all too brief Uncanny X-Men run and remembered how good it is. Too bad he didn't stay on as long as Morrison did on New X-Men. I was really enjoying his writing and the direction he was taking the team. Then he left for some reason or another and we were left with good ol' Chuck Austen.

Adam Warlock

08-01-2005, 03:13 AM

Right now, Countdown to Infinite crisis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House of M

Zephyranthes

08-01-2005, 11:43 AM

Naw, man. All this Crisis bull is junk. All these tie-ins and crossovers are ridiculous and I have completely stopped buying DC superheroes because I have no desire to own random chapters of a story. At least with House of M, everything important is in the mini itself, and it's a well-written comic. None of this OMAC Project garbage where they try to get you to buy 3 Superman comics and an issue of Wonder Woman.

FreddyL0c0

08-03-2005, 10:30 AM

Today i gt Alex Ross' Justice and New Avengers:

Justice was really good, but waiting two months for the next issue kinda sucks.

New Avengers was pretty lame, I guess I had my hopes up that we would really uncover stuff about the sentry and not just stallllllllllllllll everything. Spider Women has an extra power now too.

Also while at the comic book shop, I checked out Secrets of the House of M, it looked pretty cool, but I wasnt inclined to buy it, since it seemed pretty useless to learn about temporary characters anyways.

The new 1602 series look really lame, I dunno, maybe cause its not Gaiman writing it and the drawing just sucks. Ah well.

AzN_Skater

08-03-2005, 10:37 AM

House of M is too slow moving right now for my liking.

P. Gorath

08-03-2005, 10:57 AM

reading batman: dark victory now. So far not as good as long halloween

Wellman

08-03-2005, 11:23 AM

House of M is too slow moving right now for my liking.

My thoughts exactly, although for some reason most of the tie ins that I have read, (Iron Man, Spidey and Cable/Deadpool) have actually been pretty good. Even Uncanny looks interesting even if it is a set up for the next Excalibur series, it seems like a lot more stuff is happening outside of House of M, then within it.

Infinite Crisis isn't even out yet, so I can't judge it to HoM, but there is no denying a lot better ground work has been laid in DC for the event. Personally, I prefer House of M approach compared to DC's but the story DC is weaving maybe the best and most long lasting company crossover since Crisis of Infinite Earths.

KoftSF

08-03-2005, 11:34 AM

MARVEL FOR LIFE!

SPIDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY!

...DC Universe is confusing...too many "made up locations"...but Infinite Crisis is out on JLU I believe? all and all, I do not pay it as much mind.

box

08-03-2005, 12:27 PM

Yeah House of M is moving quite slowly. First Wolvie figures it out. Then Cage figures it out. Then Emma Frost figures it out. And I think in #5 Spider-man figures it out. That's 3 issues of people doing nothing but figuring out that the house of m world ain't the real one. I'm still interested though.

Picked up New Avengers and Justice today. Haven't read either of em yet, but I'll comment once I do.

Zeph: You're comparing House of M to the countdown to infinite crisis setups... when you should be comparing House of M to Infinite crisis (which hasn't even come out yet). The countdown to infinite crisis (OMAC/Villains united/superman wonderwoman etc) is a setup for infinite crisis. Just like Avengers disassembled and all its side-stories/tie ins, new avengers and astonishing x-men are setup stories for House of M. Rest assured, once infinite crisis comes out in October, everything will come together in that mini series.

I never collected any of the IC setup issues other than Countdown, and Prelude. I think someone posted an interesting newsarama link a while back about all the House of M issues and all the infinite crisis issues as well as how much it will cost you if you got all of em. I'll try to find it. Here it is:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35818

Zephyranthes

08-03-2005, 04:06 PM

The thing is, DC is telling me to look at the Crisis lead-ins as competition for House of M. Every week when I go to the shop, I see the Crisis logos stamped on various DC titles, just like I see the House of M logos on various Marvel titles. The Crisis lead-ins are DC's big event right now, just as House of M is Marvel's big event right now. If Crisis itself were running concurrently to House of M, then I could compare the two. Otherwise, I think even DC wants us to read OMAC/Villains United/Rann-Thanagar/Day of Vengeance/etc over House of M and related titles. I can't compare Avengers Disassembled to OMAC, et. al because Avengers Disassembled was about a year ago. If anything, I compared Disassembled with Identity Crisis because that was DC's big event at the time.

Also, I can't really see New Avengers and Astonishing X-Men as setup stories for House of M, because there is nothing in either of those fine comics that really tie-in with House of M. And again, this is just my personal taste, but I much prefer the fact that Marvel doesn't force every title to tie in with its universe-spanning event. If anything, Excalibur was the setup (which I won't bother exhorting because it is, after all, Claremont).

Pained Auron

08-03-2005, 08:19 PM

day of vengeance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house of m

The D Man

08-03-2005, 08:34 PM

Can somone explain to me what the Infinite Crisis is? I realize it's like the DC Universe's big event, but what exactly does it entail?

The little I've seen of House of M I like.

Taichi

08-03-2005, 08:36 PM

Okay, for those who bitch and moan about "DC isn't 'Real' because of the made-up locations"

I have never been to New York City, I have no desire to go to New York City, and chances are, I'll never GO to New York City, unless my situation changes, and I become fantastically famous.....

so, to me, NYC is no more real than "Gotham" or "Metropolis", or Fawcett, Hub, Coast, Keystone, Manchester, or any other DCU Location....

and tell me, where exactly, can I find the Nation of Latveria?

it's FICTION, costumed powered heroes do not stalk the night in real life, there's nothing wrong with a fictional character living in a fictional city/nation/world......

if that's the only excuse you have for not reading DC, then it's a lame, and feeble one.....

Burning Ranger

08-03-2005, 08:58 PM

Awexome--a comic thread, and I'm late as usual it seems.

Well, the only comics I'm actively following are the new Green Lantern series (though I plan on stopping at #3, which is the end of the first storyline) and Frank Miller's Robocop (one more issue to go). I'm limiting my current intake of comics because (1) I'm lacking money to be able to get more issues, (2) a lot of stuff I'm just not interested in at the moment, and (3) I prefer TPBs. The current 'events' at DC and Marvel are interesting. House of M seems to be the equivalent of Age of Apocalypse and no doubt we'll see crossovers and what not. Infinite Crisis looks cool, but I'll wait for the TPB. In the meantime, I have a lot of TPBs that I need to read, like 100 Bullets, Witchblade, Arana and Spidergirl.

Zephyranthes

08-03-2005, 09:09 PM

I don't think House of M is the equivalent to Age of Apocalypse. AoA was a crossover that pretty much ran through all the X-Books of the day, involving numerous creative teams and kind of forcing the different writers to adapt their stories to the overall AoA story. (This actually sounds a lot like what DC is doing right now for Crisis, except DC is doing it on a bigger scale.)

There are a couple of House of M-related comics that probably forced the writers to adapt a bit (Hulk and The Pulse come to mind), but the other House of M tie-ins are stand-alone series, as is the actual House of M mini itself.

Sheng-Long

08-03-2005, 09:30 PM

aw' cmon dont waste your hate on DC or MARVEL.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/incurock31/liefield.jpg

Taichi

08-03-2005, 09:33 PM

thank you Sheng-Long, you have focused our hatred......

bless you....

Sheng-Long

08-03-2005, 09:39 PM

http://julien-gautier.club.fr/rob_copie.jpg

I can't hate Rob Liefeld for too long since his stuff makes me laugh out loud most of the time.

http://www.omgcomics.com/Rob_Liefeld_tribute.htm

http://members.aol.com/chrisv82/america.htm

"Liefeld marketed the action figure of Youngblood's archer character, Shaft, as "Rob Liefeld's Shaft: 7 Inches, fully poseable," an unintentional double entendre." (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Liefeld)

Taichi

08-03-2005, 09:49 PM

have you seen the way he fucked up Robin, in his run on "Titans"?

pathetic.......

even Alex Ross can draw Robin (mostly) right.....

they need to get Drew Struzan to do comics

ViciousSLASH

08-04-2005, 01:12 AM

I got the new flash and gl 1 and 2 today.

Flash - Everything went crazy. There was two zooms and then like 324 flashes. ( not really, there are actually 4, the last is a wtf surprise ) It's an issue you either have to read very slowly or more then once.

Gl - It's good to see Hal Jordan back. Manhunters are here, oh noes !

And that was it. Comics are gay. It's either Bendis getting shoved down my throat, another superman/batman gay sex romp, some dumb ass crossover, or Jim Lee doing something.

Lame as hell.

box

08-04-2005, 08:06 AM

Just read New Avengers #8. I like this arc. McNiven's artwork is a lot better than Finch's. They're really building up the Sentry to be something big.

Also read Justice. Alex Ross painted over someone's pencils for this one, but I can't tell the difference. The 2 month schedule though may get a little frustrating. That means this series won't be completed for another 2 years.

Zeph: Infinite Crisis is tying in every title because it is a universe spanning event. In fact after IC finishes, all the DC comics will be propelled 1 year into the future. Marvel's house of M series doesn't look like it will have any huge implications on the marvel universe. I think DC is trying to reinvent themselves with this story that according to DC, was planned and set into motion 2 years ago.

P. Gorath

08-04-2005, 09:12 AM

and Frank Miller's Robocop (one more issue to go).
how is this? i will probably pick up a tpb if it comes out

regulate

08-04-2005, 09:53 AM

anyone pick up battle pope?

Burning Ranger

08-04-2005, 12:47 PM

how is this? i will probably pick up a tpb if it comes out

Think of it this way: it's basically how Robocop 2 was supposed to be. Miller wrote the original Robocop 2 screenplay before it was butchered and fubar'd by Hollywood. The comic is basically Miller redoing the R2 story, but adding more sex, gore, and taking out Cain and the Nuke BS. In other words, its Robocop 2 in today's world. The art is very gory, but it looks a little wierd--good but wierd. I wish Miller/Varley had more involvement with the art other than with the variant covers (I'm collecting the Miller covers).

Zephyranthes

08-04-2005, 05:34 PM

Zeph: Infinite Crisis is tying in every title because it is a universe spanning event. In fact after IC finishes, all the DC comics will be propelled 1 year into the future. Marvel's house of M series doesn't look like it will have any huge implications on the marvel universe. I think DC is trying to reinvent themselves with this story that according to DC, was planned and set into motion 2 years ago.

It's nice that DC is trying to revamp their entire universe, but it just doesn't make me want to read their comics right now. I just don't see the point in throwing in little tie-ins into every single comic. Not only does it make for a jarring reading experience, but my cynical side looks at it all as a dirty marketing ploy. For an example, I cite a recent issue of Birds of Prey (I forget the number). It was part of the storyline where Black Canary and Wildcat are in Asia dealing with some Asian hoodlums or something, and then all of a sudden, for one page only, there's an OMAC cameo during an Oracle scene. I used to enjoy Birds of Prey until it started trying to tie-in with all this other stuff. I get confused when I read it when I just want to read a story that I can understand from reading just Birds of Prey without having to follow any of the other DC books.

Even relatively new fringe books like Manhunter (and, come to think of it, The Return of Donna Troy) haven't been able to escape the tie-ins, which (again, this is my cynical side speaking) makes it seem like the book is trying to ride the crossover to stay alive.

While I have no excitement for the direction DC is taking, I'll admit that I do have some interest in what'll happen in the One Year Gap thing. It's a gimmick, to be sure, but it could be used well. I just hope they go back to telling some stories that, for the most part at least, stay in one title. I did hear the rumor about Bruce Wayne being committed to Arkham Asylum and Dick Grayson taking up the mantle of the Batman. Hopefully the actual stories will be more clever than the premise.

House of M might not tie every Marvel title together into a more cohesive universe or anything, but at least I'm having a hell of a lot of fun reading it... And when it comes to superheroes, all I ask is for some fun, well-illustrated reading material. I don't need to read the definitive biographies of superheroes; I want to read iconic stories about these characters.

That Frank Miller Robocop does sound pretty interesting, though. Those are published by Avatar? Who is the artist? I remember seeing a couple random issues here and there in the past, but I think the reason I didn't buy any was because they seemed kinda pricey for single issues.

And speaking of good indie stuff, anyone else read Street Angel (published by Slave Labor Graphics)? I bought the paperback on the hearty recommendation of my comic book pimp and I was very, very entertained by it. Its sense of humor really appealed to me and I even found it side-splittingly funny at times. The artwork is also awesome, with great comedic timing and exciting action sequences. I don't really know how to describe it other than to say that it's got a young girl who rides a skateboard and can fight like Wolverine, and she rides around her neighborhood killing evil ninjas and having all sorts of creative adventures. It's great stuff!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1593620128/qid=1123201510/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-9273366-5892761?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Nemesis00

08-04-2005, 05:44 PM

anyone pick up battle pope?
Funny book. Kirkman is one of the best out there. He just has so much range it's rediculous.

And New Avengers is fucking amazing right now. I can't wait to see the Void return. I love how the only man who remembers Sentry made a comic book about him.

BTW, this chick looks like a typical Liefeld chick.
http://myspace-695.vo.llnwd.net/00174/59/64/174444695_l.jpg

Preppy

08-04-2005, 05:56 PM

Re: Marvel vs DC: DC doesn't excite me because I don't feel the characters are very vulnerable. Marvel has done a better job to me of making the characters human. Way too much so at times - angst angst angst angst - but ... I connect with that more than the All Powerful Battles! of DC that I get pointed at by the local comic store guy (who I generally otherwise agree with). That being said, the early Baker Plastic Man was good, the Green Lantern Reborn(?) six issue series was largely good, Hitman was good, and the recent Flash was pretty good. I don't know - the characters just aren't fragile enough. Morrison's JL run was funny, but I never felt any real concern that the Status Quo was in peril. They're just got too much power to be able to be used very effectively. DC reminds me of the bit from the humor book "How To Save the Universe in 30 Days!" where all the villains refuse to fight CAPTAIN AMAZING until he agrees to only fight using one eyebrow... and then he ends up accidentally destroying the entire universe with the power of just his eyebrow. :smile: DC is definitely not that bad, but I just don't see the realistic peril you can create in a DC universe. There is to me a definite reason why Marvel's Hyperion is not part of the normal Marvel universe. Storm, Sentry, and Thor are probably the most over-powered I can think of, excusing the characters like Cable and Nate Grey. I like that the Marvel characters have problems. *shrug*
I generally pick up DC in trade form if anything, because I'm not going to be engaged enough to collect from month to month vs just keeping reading if it's actually interesting. =\

I liked the Liefield guy. :tup:

DeathScythe

08-04-2005, 07:06 PM

To the readers of the OMAC Project:

Which specific books do I have to read to fully comprehend the events in OMAC Project #4?

box

08-10-2005, 12:18 PM

RoninChaos

08-10-2005, 12:19 PM

I really enjoyed Supergirl 0 and 1. I hope Superboy beats the shit outta her though.

Adam Warlock

08-10-2005, 12:26 PM

To the readers of the OMAC Project:

Which specific books do I have to read to fully comprehend the events in OMAC Project #4?

There's 3 superman issues and 1 wonderwoman issue. I'll get the exact #'s when I go home.

BTW, this chick looks like a typical Liefeld chick.
http://myspace-695.vo.llnwd.net/00174/59/64/174444695_l.jpg

It's like Liefield tried to draw Jennifer Aniston

Agmaster

08-10-2005, 12:51 PM

I really enjoyed Supergirl 0 and 1. I hope Superboy beats the shit outta her though.

Why are they fighting each other?

RoninChaos

08-10-2005, 01:29 PM

Yo, who the fuck is powergirl? And is she related to supes?

box

08-10-2005, 02:04 PM

From DC's webpage. I was a bit curious myself.

Several years ago, a strange craft crash-landed on Earth and propelled its young female occupant into a bold new world. Discovered by Superman, the girl was taken under the great hero's wing and given guidance in the use of her incredible abilities. Adopting the name "Power Girl," she was introduced by Superman to the Justice Society of America. He knew the JSA would provide the perfect place for Power Girl to grow as a person and as a hero. Headstrong and stubborn, she soon left the JSA to forge her own place on Earth.

Power Girl backs up every bit of her strong attitude with even stronger abilities: super-strength, flight, fantastic speed, and a high degree of resistance to physical harm. She possesses other powers that she has yet to discover, or perhaps remember, as her exact origins remain a mystery even to herself.

Thriving under the mentoring of Superman, Karen believed she was somehow related to the Last Son of Krypton. Information was then revealed to her suggesting she had been sent from Atlantis in Earth's ancient past. But lately Karen has begun to suspect that someone or something is obscuring her true beginnings.

Of all the heroes and teams Karen has associated with over the years, she feels most at home with the JSA. Her return to the team will prove to be one of the most significant times of Power Girl's life and career

DeathScythe

08-10-2005, 02:21 PM

Picked up House of M 5, JLA 117, Supergirl 1 today.

I'll let you know what I think afterwards.

Anyhow, big news from the comicon in... I forget where. Mike Turner will be working for Marvel as well as Jeph Loeb and the big one... JOE MADUREIRA. No details have been announced yet as to the title they will be on or even if they will be working together. Looks like Marvel needed to get back at DC for stealing away the Kubert Brothers.

I'm a pretty big fan of turner's artwork. His background design needs a little work though. It's quite bland at times.

Joe Mad is back!? HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! That is gonna be great. I'd throw him on Ironman or the Avengers. Or Wolverine. OH man, is that gonna be great.

RandomNigga: Thanks. I'll be needing those issues for real. Take your time too. I don't think they'll be back in comic book stores anytime soon.

Adam Warlock

08-10-2005, 05:45 PM

Yo, who the fuck is powergirl? And is she related to supes?
Her origin is virtually the same as Kara's. Mystery, supposedly Supes cousin, same powers, and weaknesses IIRC.

At this point, I'm pretty pissed that Villains United is nothing more than the Wanted storyline.

RandomNigga: Thanks. I'll be needing those issues for real. Take your time too. I don't think they'll be back in comic book stores anytime soon.

I assumed you were talking about the Sacrifice storyline. It's the following issues: (Part 1-4)

Superman 219
Action Comics 829
Adventures of Superman 642
Wonderwoman 219

They're all still pretty recent. (no more than a month or two old).Batman gets ucked Fup. :wow:
There are some other OMAC tie-ins, but they're minor and really unnecessary.

DeathScythe

08-10-2005, 06:43 PM

I assumed you were talking about the Sacrifice storyline. It's the following issues: (Part 1-4)

Superman 219
Action Comics 829
Adventures of Superman 642
Wonderwoman 219

They're all still pretty recent. (no more than a month or two old).Batman gets ucked Fup. :wow:
There are some other OMAC tie-ins, but they're minor and really unnecessary.

I'll make sure to look for those tomorrow. Hopefully they aren't completely sold out. I did try to make some sense out of OMAC Project #4. Kind of made sense but I guess the missing pieces to the storyline are in those issues.

RoninChaos

08-10-2005, 06:45 PM

Yo, wtf is OMAC anyway?

Rage02fire

08-10-2005, 07:04 PM

DeathScythe

08-10-2005, 07:13 PM

Okay I finally gotted to read DC all stars' Batman n' Robin, it was nice issue for the debut.

So is that the only all stars that has come out yet if so anyone know when the other all star comics will be out?

I think Superman All Stars comes out this month? Or maybe next month. That should be quite interesting to read. Although I hate Frank Quitely's artwork. His woman have that man look to them.

Rage02fire

08-10-2005, 08:08 PM

Oh okay thanks for the info death, the babes may not be good in as sup but they defintly were in AS Batman n' Robin.

On another note [may be a spoiler so giving out a warning just in case]..... Ultimate spiderman's story recently is gettin more dope. Everytime I read a new issue of this warriors storyline it gets better and better. It's been nice so far I even liked how they had Ironfist and chang chi's backgrounds set up.

Anyone checked out the annual yet for ultimates? I haven't cause I'm waitin for Ultimate spider-man annual.

Pained Auron

08-10-2005, 08:45 PM

just read house of m 5, jla 117, and supergirl 1.

spoilers:
i felt really bad when they brought back peter's memories. at least now the heroes are about to storm magneto's castle and the action will finally pick up. jla 117 was ok. nothing special. i still say hawkman needs to be put down

Geese Pants

08-10-2005, 08:52 PM

Picked up House of M 5, JLA 117, Supergirl 1 today.

I'll let you know what I think afterwards.

Anyhow, big news from the comicon in... I forget where. Mike Turner will be working for Marvel as well as Jeph Loeb and the big one... JOE MADUREIRA. No details have been announced yet as to the title they will be on or even if they will be working together. Looks like Marvel needed to get back at DC for stealing away the Kubert Brothers.

I'm a pretty big fan of turner's artwork. His background design needs a little work though. It's quite bland at times.

WTF......!?!?!?!!?
Joe MADD is finally getting off his lazy ass and doing something!?!??!

A good time for comics it is....

Wellman

08-10-2005, 09:37 PM

DIDN'T YOU READ SPOILERS!

spoilers:
i felt really bad when they brought back peter's memories. at least now the heroes are about to storm magneto's castle and the action will finally pick up. jla 117 was ok. nothing special. i still say hawkman needs to be put down

I have to wonder how this is going to affect Spidey: House of M? So far the story has been going along by itself rather nicely, what with JJ revealing Spidey is human, Rhino possibily killing Crusher and Norman probably not being the Goblin.

But on average House of M (the main book) is still one of the bigger disapointments to me. Bendis can write, but for a book that will affect all of the MU and is supposed to be a huge deal, he isn't pulling it off as well as it could be. Hopefully after all this he will take a vacation (or at least cut down to three books)and refocus on his strengths.

FreddyL0c0

08-10-2005, 10:36 PM

bought house of m and Ultimates annual. both were pretty good reads.

the ending to HOM was the best part of the book of course. I think Hawkeye is going to make his presence felt, possibly delivering ironically the killer blow to Wanda, which would be pretty cool.

FistsofFury

08-10-2005, 11:15 PM

Can someone tell me what is Superman 1 Million? I hear this dude has incredible strength. I think the comic spin off came in 98.

box

08-11-2005, 07:44 AM

Joe Mad is back!? HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! That is gonna be great. I'd throw him on Ironman or the Avengers. Or Wolverine. OH man, is that gonna be great.

Yup. He's gonna be working with Jeph Loeb. Here's the article:
http://www.newsarama.com/WWChicago05/Mvl/cupOjoe/jephmad.html

Here's the Mike Turner news:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=5717

And Marvel also signed an exclusive with Leinil Francis Yu:
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=40021

Zephyranthes

08-13-2005, 12:49 PM

I finally bought and read The Cowboy Wally Show. Man, I liked it a lot. It was so well-crafted, particularly the dialogue. The writing was so witty. Funny stuff. I really gotta get some more Kyle Baker stuff now. I've read I Die At Midnight, and I liked that one a lot, too, and I have Truth (which has art by him).

Carpet Lint

08-13-2005, 06:11 PM

The Joe Mad announcement is crazy. It surprised me, but in hindsight, it probably shouldn't have. Why the fuck was Christopher Walken in Kangaroo Jack? Nigga's gotta eat.

You guys want to start a poll with which property he gets? Joe Mad and Jeph Loeb...probably going to be launching a new title? I'm calling New Avengers - they'll take it over from Bendis.

And LOL at Captain Universe Daredevil. That's so fucking awesome.

I finally bought and read The Cowboy Wally Show. Man, I liked it a lot. It was so well-crafted, particularly the dialogue. The writing was so witty. Funny stuff. I really gotta get some more Kyle Baker stuff now. I've read I Die At Midnight, and I liked that one a lot, too, and I have Truth (which has art by him).
Exact same for me.

What was Preppy's Kyle Baker list again? What Kyle Baker books should I get first? Was his Plastic Man run any good?

Yo, wtf is OMAC anyway?
Batman apparently built a system of spy satellites after he figured out what happened in Identity Crisis (when Zatana erased his memory) to keep tabs on everyone and to make sure stuff like that couldn't happen again. But...surprise, surprise...it gets hijacked. And...some other stuff, I don't know.

But the real answer is that it's a sucky mini-series designed to steal away your money. I don't believe that you have to read three Superman comics and one Wonder Woman comic (FOUR WHOLE FRICKIN' COMICS!?!) between issues just to understand what's going on. That's bullshit. The comic's not even that good.

This crossover stuff is really starting to bug me. It happened again with Batman/Detective Comics this month. Listen, you fat bastard publishers - I buy enough of your damn books already. I'm putting Jeph Loeb's daughters through college. So why do I have to buy three other books just to understand what's going on in the one comic I follow? And having those OMAC goons show up in random comics like Batgirl or Birds of Prey for like two panels for no reason? What the hell's up with that? That's so damn stupid.

On the otherhand, I don't really mind Jeph Loeb signing an exclusive with Marvel. Maybe he'll have more fun there - I don't know, I don't care. He hasn't written a good comic for a long time.

__________

Random thoughts...

The Walking Dead IS excellent. Robert Kirkman is definately one of my favourite writers now.

Flash - awesome stuff. It seems like he did it before, but it still works so well. Geoff Johns - possibly my favourite superhero writer right now.

New Avengers I'm finding surprisingly good. Bendis is starting to irk me sometimes though. Sometimes it's like he tries too hard to be cute with all the little pockets of dialogue. The art is always wonderful though.

Oh, FABLES! Awesome, awesome, awesome. My favourite monthly right now.

Picked up the newest 100 Bullets and Y The Last Man trades...Vertigo is so fucking good, it makes me hate other comics for not being as good. Is it unfair to look at...I don't know...say Superman/Batman and wonder why it doesn't entertain you as much as a Vertigo book does? Would that be like hating Vince Carter for not being Michael Jordan? Is that fair? I can't help it though.

I completely forgot about Losers. I need to pick that up again.

Grant Morrison's mini with Zatana is excellent. I haven't read any of the other Seven Soldiers stuff though. I got a big kick out of seeing that Neh-Buh-Loh (or whatever) guy - he was in the first JLA: Classified story. The one that Grant Morrison wrote while seemingly high as a kite.

Um...what else did I read? These past two weeks have been so packed...I'm selling crack to school children for comic book money. I sold my left kidney last week so I could buy that 100 Bullets trade.

And I still need to buy Superman For All Seasons so that my girlfriend can read it. That has to be my favourite Superman story of all time. (What was your's again, Zephy?)

vpt_whatup

08-13-2005, 06:45 PM

Hey I know that this isn't related directly to comics, but I don't know where else to ask this...

Does anybody know if the episodes of JLU (Justice League Unlimited) currently airing Saturday nights on Cartoon Network are new? I started to watch the episodes a few weeks back and I got hooked. I want to know where I am in the story and how much backstory I should figure out.

ViciousSLASH

08-13-2005, 08:04 PM

This crossover stuff is really starting to bug me. It happened again with Batman/Detective Comics this month. Listen, you fat bastard publishers - I buy enough of your damn books already. I'm putting Jeph Loeb's daughters through college. So why do I have to buy three other books just to understand what's going on in the one comic I follow? And having those OMAC goons show up in random comics like Batgirl or Birds of Prey for like two panels for no reason? What the hell's up with that? That's so damn stupid.

__________

Random thoughts...

The Walking Dead IS excellent. Robert Kirkman is definately one of my favourite writers now.

Flash - awesome stuff. It seems like he did it before, but it still works so well. Geoff Johns - possibly my favourite superhero writer right now.

You basically summed up my post a couple weeks ago. Both the companies are shoving dumb ass crossovers up your ass and they both seem stupid. I'm sick of Batman being so on top of everything. It's getting old. He's a fucking human being. It all makes no sense. Superman can hear CLOUDS scrape together, he can see things so fast and small that they only exist for an instant, and your telling me he wouldn't notice some new satelites that just happened to show up ? Stupid Prep time is getting way way way overated. Someone needs to just shoot Batman and get over with it.

Call me in 2 or so months when Johns starts infinite crisis and fucks everything up. It really sucks that Johns is ending his Flash run, that bums me out. But the man is writing basically everything. I'd like to see Johns take on Superman. Seeing old school bad ass Hal Jordan back is the shit though.

Walking Dead is great too. Everyone should go get the three available trades if you're interested in zombies in any manner.

Good to hear Joe Mad is back. Here's his job is new avengers. It'd be nice to see him draw marvels best and brightest.

JJac

08-13-2005, 08:09 PM

im getting the available, Y: the last man trades some time next week. im pretty exited to get into the story after reading the first issue. im also interested in picking up the walking dead and invincible some time later. does anybody have opinions about the winter men, the premise caught my attention?

Sheng-Long

08-13-2005, 09:24 PM

Millar and Hitch are leaving Ultimates, so I'm thinking that's where Loeb and JoeMad are going (although I'd prefer if they didn't, although we'll wait and see if they are a good fit)

does anybody have opinions about the winter men, the premise caught my attention?

i got it, but then its because im a sucker for :
a.) pulp-type stuff
b.) Vertigo and Wildstorm

This was originally announced as a Vertigo title and now released under Wildstorm (because of superhumans involved). Which brings as back to one of the primary laws of comic books in this thread.

Vertigo = 99% great stuff (There was a time when Vertigo was in its ansgty Emo dreamking phase, lol, but even then those were good books plus it was the 90s so what can you expect)

Wildstorm is like Vertigo's younger brother that is still into Superheroes, although I would have really want them to revive the Wildstorm Universe instead of just releasing Wildstorm Signature titles. I heard they are planning on this beginning with the WildCATs mini next month and a couple more titles leading to a big Wildstorm Event next year. Grant Morrison is rumored to be attached to it (oh how I wish it wasnt a typo and they meant Robbie Morrison instead, coz he sucks, he's writing that WildCATs mini btw)

- Fables is getting me hyped up again.
- 100 Bullets: still far from the 100th issue but I see a lot of players in the picture right now, but in true Azarello fashion, everyone's agenda is still in the shadows. I wonder if the other four members of the Trust will have a bigger role (hell we don't even know who the rest of the Trust are), and who is the unknown Minute Man?

PS
oh guess who's back to whoopass? lol
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/8235/ipitydafool9om.jpg

!!!

Carpet Lint

08-13-2005, 09:42 PM

- 100 Bullets: still far from the 100th issue but I see a lot of players in the picture right now, but in true Azarello fashion, everyone's agenda is still in the shadows. I wonder if the other four members of the Trust will have a bigger role (hell we don't even know who the rest of the Trust are), and who is the unknown Minute Man?
I was trying to sort out all the nicknames...

Someone help me out, because it's been awhile since I read the other trades, and my memory is terrible.

Saint = ?
Monster = ?
Wolf = Cole
Dog = Lono
Rain = Victor
Bastard = Milo (replaced by Dizzy?)
? = Wylie
? = Little Hughes

So assuming I'm just forgetting Wylie's name, that's seven nicknames. Was Little Hughes' dad the Saint? And is the crackhead tiger dude a Minute Man? The Monster?

This book is so awesome.

Zephyranthes

08-13-2005, 09:58 PM

And I still need to buy Superman For All Seasons so that my girlfriend can read it. That has to be my favourite Superman story of all time. (What was your's again, Zephy?)

Yeah, baby. Cheers to Cowboy Wally. Preppy knows what's up. I pretty much agree with your whole post about OMAC and all that business.

Superman For All Seasons is quite fun. I have it and I like it. The recent Birthright was pretty good fun, too. That one is by Mark Waid and Leinil Francis Yu.

But when it comes to my personal favorite Superman stories, my number one is It's A Bird... by Steven T. Seagle with painted art by Teddy Kristiansen, a Vertigo OGN. You're thinking, what? Vertigo? Superman? And I'll admit, it's not EXACTLY a "Superman" story... The premise in brief is, it's a semi-autobiographical account of a man who writes Superman comics. (Seagle used to be a regular writer on one of the Superman titles.) It deals with the writer's thoughts about the characteristics of Superman and how Superman is relevant to his life. Maybe I'm makin' it sound kinda wanky, but it's very good writing and it's a genuinely emotional and poignant story about real life vs. fantasy and the relationship between the two. Plus, it won an Eisner award for the art, so you know it's super pretty.

After that one, I love Superman: Secret Identity, by Kurt Busiek and Stuart Immonen. Again, this is not an "in continuity" Superman story (but I know most of us here are pretty man enough to read stories that ain't in continuity, right?). It's basically, What if a teenager in the real world named Clark Kent woke up one day and discovered he had Superman's powers? Like It's A Bird..., Secret Identity is an affecting story that deals more with human nature than guys in spandex beating the snot out of each other (although for those of us who find spandex fun, there's a bit of it tossed in). So the story is top tier, but Immonen really knocks it out of the park in the art department. Man, he is such a versatile artist. He's currently doing Ultimate X-Men in a cartoony, action packed kinetic style, but Secret Identity is pure realism- plus he colored it all himself, an impressive feat.

After those two stories, my next fave would be Alan Moore's Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow? It's no longer in continuity, but it used to be. Well, it sorta is. I mean, it's the last Superman story pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths. It's pretty short, just two issues, but anyone who knows a little bit about Superman is sure to like it.

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Re: Jeph Loeb / Joe Madureira
I thought I read somewhere that they'd be working together on a book featuring either Wolverine, Spider-Man, or the Hulk (the three characters on Joe Mad's new House of M variant cover). It's a hard call, but I'd probably say it's gonna be Wolverine because Loeb's already played with Spidey and Hulk (Blue and Gray). Not to say that Loeb hasn't played with Logan (Wolverine/Gambit with Tim Sale, anyone remember that?), but I'm just guessing here.

I kinda hope they won't do Ultimates Volume Three. I'd like to see Ultimates continue with a realistic art style. My dream team? Brian K. Vaughan and Travis Charest, which will never happen because who knows what happened to Charest. So my second round dream team is probably either Joe Casey or Peter Milligan with my main man Jae Lee.

With Authority: Revolution ending in three issues and The Intimates announced to be cancelled in three issues, it looks like I will soon transition into the world of "waiting for the trade" completely, other than Daredevil. It sucks that books I keep loving hard always end up getting the shaft (see: X-Statix, Human Target, Wildcats Version 3.0) while Claremont is hard at work, preparing to rocket New Excalibur into the Diamond Top 10. Oh well, at least I'm savin' some money every week, eh? I can backtrack and pick up all those Kyle Baker books that I've been missing.

Oh yeah, there is a new X-Statix book coming out though. I'm excited for that. It's something like, X-Statix: Dead Girl. So I guess there was some good news from that convention last week.

The Wildcats: Nemesis miniseries that's coming in a month or two is by Robbie Morrison. I've only read one of his books, an OGN about World War I titled White Death (with art by The Walking Dead's Charlie Adlard), and I was blown away by it. I have heard that his Authority Volume 2 stuff wasn't too good, but I've never checked it out. I don't know, Nemesis could be good. But the concept is just hugely disappointing to me. It sounds like a regression from everything Casey worked to build.

Now, the Grant Morrison/Jim Lee Wildcats ongoing is set to launch in like a year. I trust Morrison's writing. Jim Lee, he's the most popular artist for sure, so it'll be nice to see him boost sales, even though his work isn't always to my taste.

P.S.- Oh yeah, 100 Bullets is awesome. I read the new trade a week or two ago, but it had been like 8 months since I read volume 7, so I have forgotten a lot of it. One of these days I need to sit down and read through them all. I love stories that have all this meat to 'em. My favorite 100 Bullets so far is probably Hang Up On The Hang Low. I love those intricate noirish character studies.

Sheng-Long

08-13-2005, 11:11 PM

I was trying to sort out all the nicknames...

Someone help me out, because it's been awhile since I read the other trades, and my memory is terrible.

Saint = ?
Monster = ?
Wolf = Cole
Dog = Lono
Rain = Victor
Bastard = Milo (replaced by Dizzy?)
? = Wylie
? = Little Hughes

So assuming I'm just forgetting Wylie's name, that's seven nicknames. Was Little Hughes' dad the Saint? And is the crackhead tiger dude a Minute Man? The Monster?

This book is so awesome.

i cant find my notebook right now so I can't confirm, maybe tomorrow.

The Minutemen (who were active during the incident at Atlantic City)

1. Jack Daw (probably the Monster, yeah he's the crackhead)
2. The Saint (identity unknown)
3. The Bastard aka Milo Garrett (deceased)
4. The Dog aka Lono (The only minuteman who wasn't in Atlantic City)
5. The Wolf aka Cole Burns
6. The Point Man aka Wyle Times
7. The Rain aka Victor Ray

other minutemen:
Agent Graves
Agent Shepherd (deceased)
Dizzy Cordova - Shepherd told Wylie that Dizzy is to replace Milo
Loop Hughes - Shepherd told Lono that Loop is to replace Milo
Curtis Hughes - Not a minuteman but selected by Graves to be one but was denied by the Trust because of his color. Deceased.