Comic book thread - version...???

[Sheng-Long]

anyone picked up Squadron Supreme: Nighthawk ??
Steve Dillon is doing the pencils and I love it so far, oh yeah and its under MAX so they were free to throw around racial slurs and the violence.

[ReggieHadoken]

Read a couple of Powers books tonight. They were Powers #4-6. Wow. This ins one gritty comic book. I've honestly never seen or read ANYTHING like it. No expletive is left out of the book. It's a dark and edgey comic and Bendis does a great job of bringing the cop/thug atmosphere to life with his dialogue even if everyone does cuss like a drunken sailor every 2 seconds. I also like Oeming's art work for this book. The style fits perfectly. I hope he stays with it. That said, while I like Powers, I'm just not used to this sort of comic. Again, I've honestly never seen or read anything like it. Not that that's a bad thing. It's just so, well, wow.

I picke dup Young Avengers #1 today. I had to drop $4.95 for that sucker! These books seem to have just started and already the first issue has doubled in value. I was going to get YA #2 but I thought I'd check out YA #1 first to see what I thought of it.

Also picked up House of M #6. They seem to be getting more and more heroes in. Now Spidey knows that reality has been messed up. I still say Mags is the one behind it all. After all, the "M" in HoM stands for Magnus.

[archetype]

Damn I just picked up some back issues of the new avengers, the rann-thannawhatever war, a fantastic 4 marvel knights book, and some ultimates 2. I might pick up 100 bullets as well. But im being haunted by the house of M. I have NO IDEA what its about and ive seen other comics have the "house of M" symbol on them. I don't want to get a bunch of other comics that tie into it and stuff. Is house of M worth picking up???

[Pained Auron]

i love frank miller's batman. so i read jla 117, and damn, looks like the jla have their work cut out for them in the next issue. rann/thanagar is still the weakest of the IC lead ins

[MITH]

for the record, Joe Mad doing The Ultimates, makes me cream my pants. And the new ghost rider kicks ultra ass.

[supermin]

does anyone know how all-star superman is. morrison is writing it and everything

and i read all-star batman and it was trash

[Pained Auron]

i don't like all star superman. mostly because i don't like quietly's art

[ReggieHadoken]

Anyone that has not checked out House of M needs to do so NOW. It is demanded reading for anyone and everyone.

I just read Young Avengers #1 last night. The front cover said "They're not what you think..." Man, that line couldn't have been any more correct. I liked how they are teenagers and make mistakes. Since these guys are new at this they NEED to have screw-ups. The art was great and it was well written. Now I must get issues 2 and 3.

I also read New Avengers #1. Fantastic artwork and Bendis' dialogue was on the mark as always. I think Spidey and Wolverine are going to be fine additions to the team. Too bad I wasn't able to get issue #2. I have #1 and #'s 3-9 but I just couldn't get #2. SCREW!!!

BTW does everyone basically new Matt Murdock is DD now?

[archetype]

Anyone that has not checked out House of M needs to do so NOW. It is demanded reading for anyone and everyone.

I just read New Avengers #1 last night. The front cover said "They're not what you think..." Man, that line couldn't have been any more correct. I liked how they are teenagers and make mistakes. Since these guys are new at this they NEED to have screw-ups. The art was great and it was well written. Now I must get issues 2 and 3.

I also read New Avengers #1. Fantastic artwork and Bendis' dialogue was on the mark as always. I think Spidey and Wolverine are going to be fine additions to the team. Too bad I wasn't able to get issue #2. I have #1 and #'s 3-9 but I just couldn't get #2. SCREW!!!

BTW does everyone basically new Matt Murdock is DD now?


Yo i got all the new avengers. Its my fav so far and I got HoM 1-6 tight as fuck. I was wondering the same thing aobut Matt murdock too haha. Ur going to love the new avengers yo.

[Wellman]

Matt got outed in his series a while ago, he still denies it I think but practically everyone knows or suspects his shit. The new arc in DD might reverse it or confirm it for the world, there is just no telling so far.

Which just makes me hope to heaven more that he doesn't turn out to be Ronin. Not that I care for the fake looking ninja anyway.

[elhandro]

Im Late.....but i just started reading Supreme Powers and I think its great. I bought the TPB and i was blown away at what i was reading. I dont want to ruin the surprise but i would love to talk about the series with people who have read or reading it. And please dont ruin it for me!!!

El

[Adam Warlock]

Im Late.....but i just started reading Supreme Powers and I think its great. I bought the TPB and i was blown away at what i was reading. I dont want to ruin the surprise but i would love to talk about the series with people who have read or reading it. And please dont ruin it for me!!!

El

Not too much to ruin yet... What are you interested in talking about? I've been following it since the beginning.

[elhandro]

First....

Why does the blur have to be black.............I know we have been the fastest people in last few olympics but on a strictly subliminal level, Im offended. j/k :p

-Is this a mini series and how long has it been out?

-I love how batman is a partial racsict, just seems to be more realistic. Do they ever go into his back story of how he trained and what his pops is doing?
- SideBar......Batman origin stories always bother me.....If the fam is so rich why the hell are they walkin down some back alley or some isolated dirt road in the south. Nigga catch, a cab get a bus, rent a limo, gets some protection.

-Hyperion back story seems so much more interesting than the original Supes. Im thinkin the movie should take this slant.

-Who the hell are they going to be fighting. And realisticly if America had this much power under its finger world gov't would be going crazy to try and make their own shit. Im wondering how the story will handle this.

:Im just really excited on where they are going to take this story.

El

[FreddyL0c0]

elhandro, I think u will spoil ureself by getting responses as to what happens later in the series. It is a great read and all of ure answers will get answered, u just have to read them all.


I didnt like the Nighthawk issue...although I can see that it was done solely to set up a "joker" like enemy for the heroe. I just hope he doesnt look like a clown. Also I see no link whatsoever between that issue and the latest supreme powers issue. but thats ok, its not like i havent been had before. Hopefully the first issue of Hyperion actually follows the unfolded latest events of the main series.

[The D Man]

I'm kinda enjoying Supreme Power. But in the back of my mind It bothers me. I know people create characters in others image all the time, but Squadron Supreme is just blatant. One of the reasons I enjoy Marvel is the orginality and contrast to DC.

But it's here to stay for a while so I might as well read it.

Besides that, I'm liking the books.

NightHawk is easily the tightest character with the most interesting style and personality.
A Black Batman. That alone one me over. Then I got to see what kind of cat he really is. One of the best comic personalties ever.




I didnt like the Nighthawk issue...although I can see that it was done solely to set up a "joker" like enemy for the heroe. I just hope he doesnt look like a clown.

Sorry, he actual will be looking like one.

[buyproduct]

-Who the hell are they going to be fighting. And realisticly if America had this much power under its finger world gov't would be going crazy to try and make their own shit. Im wondering how the story will handle this.

:Im just really excited on where they are going to take this story.

El
They really wont be fighting. They will form a superteam and then try to take over all the ruling goverments of the world. They are gonna form a police state. The people they will attack will be everyday people. They will take away their personal rights. They want to create a utiopia and in order to do that they will take away personal freedoms. At first the whole team will be down with this but after a while some will realize that what they are doing is wrong and form there own fraction that will try and take them down. This has all been done before. Read the original Sqaudron supreme trade. Its pretty much a kindom come/ watchmen type story. Who watches the watchmen.

[ReggieHadoken]

Read some more of new New Avengers comics. This has got to be one of the best comic books I've ever read. Brian Bendis writers each character prefectly. Wolverine sounds like Wolverine and Spidey sounds like Spidey (not too surprising when he's been writing the Ultimate Web-head for years now. 616 Spidey is probably like a walk in the park for him.) I know many fans of the old Avengers are probably boiling mad that Bendis killed off The Vison, Ant-Man, and Hawkeye (R.I.P. old Avengers), but the new team is just too tight. And Luke Cage is one bad mother. I still can't believe this is the same Luke cage from Amazing Spider-Man #123. And Spider-Woman. Man, she is FINE!! If Million saw her he'd lose it.

And the Sentry story arc is really keeping me interested. I'd never even heard of him until now. But he's supposed to be the most powerful super hero? Even more so than Captain Universe? :wow:

And I pray to God that Bendis keeps Hawkeye, Ant-Man and Vison dead. We all saw them get killed. No way he can cook up some bull crap like countless other comic book writers have.

[The D Man]

No, Vision is coming back. Hawkeye's already back running around in HoM. But no one knows if he'll stay alive or be dead when HoM is over. The only one who'll probably stay dead is Ant-man.

Vision and Hawkeye are probably too popular to just kill off and leave dead.

I don't know if Sentry is more powerful than Captain Universe. Marvel's been hyping him calling him Marvel's strongest hero, but who knows.

Isn't Captain Universe a power that people can get ahold of in times of crisis?

[Pained Auron]

bring back hawkeye dammit

[DS]

Read some more of new New Avengers comics. This has got to be one of the best comic books I've ever read. Brian Bendis writers each character prefectly. Wolverine sounds like Wolverine and Spidey sounds like Spidey (not too surprising when he's been writing the Ultimate Web-head for years now. 616 Spidey is probably like a walk in the park for him.) I know many fans of the old Avengers are probably boiling mad that Bendis killed off The Vison, Ant-Man, and Hawkeye (R.I.P. old Avengers), but the new team is just too tight. And Luke Cage is one bad mother. I still can't believe this is the same Luke cage from Amazing Spider-Man #123. And Spider-Woman. Man, she is FINE!! If Million saw her he'd lose it.

And the Sentry story arc is really keeping me interested. I'd never even heard of him until now. But he's supposed to be the most powerful super hero? Even more so than Captain Universe? :wow:

And I pray to God that Bendis keeps Hawkeye, Ant-Man and Vison dead. We all saw them get killed. No way he can cook up some bull crap like countless other comic book writers have.



I think the Sentry storyline needs to end already. Its kind of dragging on and really not leading into any new territory. I say get that over with and finally get Daredevil on the damn team already.

And Bendis will bring back Hawkeye and Vision. Those two are essential to the Avengers. Hell......its the only real job those two have. Also, if Hawkeye is alive in House of M then that means hes alive in regular Marvel contuinity. He remembers everything that happened. So if he were a part of this created universe then he would have never remembered what happened to him the day he died and when Scarlet Witch snapped. Now to reverse the process? Thats a hard one.

[The D Man]

Ya'll know Vision is already back right? Just not in New Avengers.

From disassembled the main character who will be staying dead (besides Ant-man) should be Thor.

[Nemesis00]

Thor'll be back. He's too big of a name for Marvel to keep in the grave.

And Sentry is gonna fight Photon/Captain Marvel in one of the upcoming Thunderbolts issues. New Thunderbolts vs New Avengers. Shit yeah...

[ReggieHadoken]

I think the Sentry storyline needs to end already. Its kind of dragging on and really not leading into any new territory. I say get that over with and finally get Daredevil on the damn team already.

And Bendis will bring back Hawkeye and Vision. Those two are essential to the Avengers. Hell......its the only real job those two have. Also, if Hawkeye is alive in House of M then that means hes alive in regular Marvel contuinity. He remembers everything that happened. So if he were a part of this created universe then he would have never remembered what happened to him the day he died and when Scarlet Witch snapped. Now to reverse the process? Thats a hard one.

Well I just finished readin New Avengers #9. I'm very confused. And the only way I'll probably get unconfused is when the Sentry story is resolved. But apparently, Paul Jenkins did do the Sentry years ago. And on top of that, Paul Jenkins will be doing a new Sentry series with John Romita Jr. real soon.

As for the deaths of Hawkeye and Vision, I honestly believe Bendis needs to keep. Them. Dead. Seriously. I'm not doubting or denying their popularity or anything but by bringing them back this will completely undermine the incredible shocks that happend in Avengers #500-503. It'll be like "Oh, they weren't really dead. We were just screwin' with ya! Ha ha!! Got ya!! Suckers!!" And once again the comic book writer power of the all mighty bend-over-and-see-how-far-we-can-dig-up-our-butts-to-come-up-with-
a-way-for-this-popular-character-we-offed-to-come-back will prevail. Next thing you know, they'll start screwing with the Chaos story even more, saying that it really wasn't Scarlet Witch that went beserk on The Avengers but it was a robot/clone (read: whatever bullcrap we can pull out from our butts nonsense.)

OK, I guess I can see Vision coming back since he was a highly advanced andriod but Hawkeye? I mean, even the way he died was heroic. He sacrificed himself. To undo that would just... Ugh. Well I guess I'm in the minority. But for what he did, Hawkeye will have my ultimate respect. *salutes*

I remember hearing how Aunt May died back in Amazing Spidey #400. Then years later Marvel is like "OH NO!! WE F'ED THINGS UP BY HAVING AUNT MAY DIE!! WE GOTTA BRING HER BACK!! I know, it wasn't Aunt May who died!! It was an actress that Norman Osborn hired! Aunt May was really being held captive by the Goblin!! That's it!!" :rolleyes: LAME!! On the other hand, the excellent vol. 2 of Amazing Spidey #38 wouldn't have been possible without May being alive. I love Aunt May but the way Marvel brought her back was just stupid.

OK, sorry for the long post but just one more thing. What happend to Jean Grey? I haven't seen her in HoM. And why are we seeing a lot of Emma Frost? Not a bad thing at all but I just wonder what's going on? I haven't picked up an X-Men book in years.

[Pained Auron]

jean got killed by magneto iirc

[Adam Warlock]

She was killed by a magneto... Brace yourself... imposter.

[Nemesis00]

ReggieHadoken: Let me help you out here since you seemed to be confused by the Sentry.


MAJOR FUCKING SPOILERS









Sentry was around before the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and Hulk. That's his story anyway. Reason for this is because everyone forgot he existed, even Stan Lee himself. Why? Because he also has a dark side to himself called the Void. Sentry is like Pre-Crisis Superman, except not gay. His weakness is the Void. The Void is his fears, doubts and various mental problems in a physical form. To keep the Void from coming back to destroy the Earth, Richards fixed it so that we would forget Sentry ever existed, like a worldwide brainwash.

However, it didn't quite work out well, and Bob Reynolds, AKA Sentry, sometimes gets flashbacks of his superhero life, which ultimately brings back the Void. However, Emma Frost dives into Bob's mind to find out that someone tampered with his mind. Yes, the Void was his fears and doubts, but Sentry never created him, as he so thought. Some yet to be revealed bad guy used Mastermind to program the Void into Sentry's mind.

[ReggieHadoken]

Thanks, Nemesis. That clears quiet a few things up. I wasn't sure why Sentry was freakign out and everything but now it's becoming clear. I read New Avengers #9 where Emma Frost dived into his mind and checked things out. On the final page everyone was getting owned by The Void. Can't wait to read NA #10.

And Jean Grey was killed by a Magneto imposter? Or the person Mags killed was an imposter? I'm confused all over again.
:sad:

[Pained Auron]

i think it was a mag impostor. but i'm not sure.

[Nemesis00]

Go buy The Sentry TPB by Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee.

[Rage02fire]

Thanks, Nemesis. That clears quiet a few things up. I wasn't sure why Sentry was freakign out and everything but now it's becoming clear. I read New Avengers #9 where Emma Frost dived into his mind and checked things out. On the final page everyone was getting owned by The Void. Can't wait to read NA #10.

And Jean Grey was killed by a Magneto imposter? Or the person Mags killed was an imposter? I'm confused all over again.
:sad:

It was an imposter, my awnser can be proovin by checking out excalibur vol.2.

Oh and does anyone here read toxin, what do you guys think about the son of carnage stupid idea or not?

[Carpet Lint]

Wait, the Magneto at the end of Planet X was an IMPOSTER?

[Nemesis00]

Oh and does anyone here read toxin, what do you guys think about the son of carnage stupid idea or not?
Nice idea since there's a hole now. Carnage is dead, and Gargan is Venom now. So that gives us our crazy symbiote, and Toxin is our good symbiote. The art during the recent story was very bad though.

[Rage02fire]

Nice idea since there's a hole now. Carnage is dead, and Gargan is Venom now. So that gives us our crazy symbiote, and Toxin is our good symbiote. The art during the recent story was very bad though.


Co-sign on the art it was kinda shitty, I liked how they had him in the Venom Vs Carnage limted series. That was hella tight with the black tounge, say you know what though the writer I think purposly named the new smybiote's host as his intials and made his name sound alike. I mean if you really think about it, pete milligan and toxin's host name is pat mulligan...LMAO. I thought that was kinda stupid though IMO.


I also didn't like the villian who they had for him, razorfist, that guy was a very stupid villian IMO. I loved how he was always running his coward ass out of the area when ever toxin showed. That was funny, so was his assistant that rock girl must of ticked him off all the time.

[The Damned]

Wait, the Magneto at the end of Planet X was an IMPOSTER?

I'm assuming that you're being sarcastic, but if you're not, then yeah, the whole Planet X thing (and anything Xorn related and whatever else was written by that guy) seems to have been retconned/ignored with the whole IMPOSTER thing with like one or two sentences in Excalibur.

[Nemesis00]

Xorneto is actually supposed to be retconned in the next issue of HOuse of M. Apparently the Magento that destroyed Manhatten was a construct made by Wanda.

[The Damned]

Xorneto is actually supposed to be retconned in the next issue of HOuse of M. Apparently the Magento that destroyed Manhatten was a construct made by Wanda.

So...a further retcon. I can't tell whether or not this is horrible thing or just an absurd one. I guess I'll just have to settle for absurdly horrible, though I suppose the Wanda retcon is better than the "simple" no-name IMPOSTER! one.

What do you think?

[KungfuJoe]

allstar B/R #2 was ok at best this more ultimate batman than a all ages B/R but it is only the second issue so I will give four more issues to see where it goes. As for the Sentry story read paul jenkins/Jae lee sentry story to get the heads up even tho I think HoM will end up change everything.

KFJ

[Nemesis00]

So...a further retcon. I can't tell whether or not this is horrible thing or just an absurd one. I guess I'll just have to settle for absurdly horrible, though I suppose the Wanda retcon is better than the "simple" no-name IMPOSTER! one.

What do you think?
I'm just gonna say that every bad retcon/continuity error from the past few years is Wanda's fault and save myself a shitload of grief rather then suffer at the hands of Marvel's lazy editors.

[ReggieHadoken]

Imposters? Recton? Planet X? Ugh. Now I'm even more confused.

In any case, HoM just continues to be great so I'm hoping they don't screw it up.

[Nemesis00]

Grant Morrison
New X-Men

Apparantly he had an amazing run that challenged alot of ideas, and Marvel didn't like this, so they did shitty retcons to fix everything. I still have to get his run...

[ReggieHadoken]

^So by "fix" you mean they took a perfectly good thing and sent it down the crapper? Well that's some of the jerks at Marvel for you. Never satisfied until they screw things up. Did Grant Morrison kill Jean?

[The Damned]

^So by "fix" you mean they took a perfectly good thing and sent it down the crapper? Well that's some of the jerks at Marvel for you. Never satisfied until they screw things up. Did Grant Morrison kill Jean?

Yes. That's why we got "Endsong" and those other mini-series that I didn't keep up with, as well as that "Here Comes Tomorrow" Arc (which I also didn't keep up with).

[ReggieHadoken]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that Marvel is doing a 12 part Spider-Man story that will span all three Spidey books, the third book being the new "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man." A 12 part story arc. Ugh. Does anyone remember what happend the last time Marvel did a Spidey story arc that was on the same number of books? I beleive it was called Maximum Carnage. I didn't read all of it, but I heard the story did nothing but run in circiles and was probably an attempt to cash in on the very popular villian (at the time, anyway), Carnage. And it's a cross over. I freaking HATE crossovers because they interfear with the continutity of the book. I love Stracynizki's work but he better cook up one heck of a story to impress me and not 4 months of bull crap.

[box]

I agree. I actually collected all 14 parts of Maximum Carnage and it basically boiled down to find Carnage, fight carnage, carnage gets away, rinse and repeat. It was not a very good read.

I'm hoping "the other: evolve or die" will be better than this. It's not all straczynski though. Straczyski is writing 1/3 of the story. Peter David and Reginald Hudlin will be writing the other 2/3 of the story. Artists will be Deodato on Amazing, Pat Lee on Marvel knights and Wieringo on Friendly neighborhood.

I decided to drop Superman/batman and Young Avengers.

In terms of ongoings I'm collecting Amazing spidey, marvel knights spidey, new avengers, astonishing x-men (on hiatus for 6 months I think), supreme power (on hiatus for 6 monthS. I ain't collecting the hyperion/nighthawk/drspectrum mini series), Supergirl, Soulfire, and Street Fighter (comes back on next month). I'm also collecting JLA but only for the Geoff Johns/Allan Heinberg arc which ends next issue.

For miniseries I'm reading Secret war (ends next month FINALLY), House of M, and Justice. Also picking up the trades to Darkstalkers and Y the Last Man (highly recommended).

Definitely gonna pick up friendly neighborhood spider-man and Infinite crisis once they get going.

I was never a big fan of the ultimate/all star line.

[Gamma Charge]

OK, I guess I can see Vision coming back since he was a highly advanced andriod but Hawkeye? I mean, even the way he died was heroic. He sacrificed himself.

If he really had a heroic death that would be one thing. He had a pointless death. His quiver is hit so itstead of ditching it he beats upa a Kree warrior, takes his ship, flies it into the center of the ship, blows it up.... then it disappears and no debris is left because it was an illusion. Hunh? He has time to do all that but can't pull off the quiver? Dies fighting an illusion that disappears? That is retarded. It is also a fact he is coming back. When She-Hulk relaunches next month the first 2 issues center around his return.

[ReggieHadoken]

If he really had a heroic death that would be one thing. He had a pointless death. His quiver is hit so itstead of ditching it he beats upa a Kree warrior, takes his ship, flies it into the center of the ship, blows it up.... then it disappears and no debris is left because it was an illusion. Hunh? He has time to do all that but can't pull off the quiver? Dies fighting an illusion that disappears? That is retarded. It is also a fact he is coming back. When She-Hulk relaunches next month the first 2 issues center around his return.


Hmmm, I guess you do have a point. But how are they going to bring him back? Is it going to be in some way that doesn't sound crappy? The way Marvel has been trying "fix" things lately, I cna't help but feel skeptical.

[Carpet Lint]

I'm assuming that you're being sarcastic, but if you're not, then yeah, the whole Planet X thing (and anything Xorn related and whatever else was written by that guy) seems to have been retconned/ignored with the whole IMPOSTER thing with like one or two sentences in Excalibur.
No, no sarcasm this time. I kinda thought you guys were being sarcastic actually, since the IMPOSTER idea has been done so many times and so recently that I thought that they couldn't possibly do it again.

But Marvel continues to keep the surprises coming!

I will laugh my ass off if the "purpose" of House of M was to recon Planet X. Morrison's run ended like a year (?) ago, and it's pretty much completely faded away from public consciousness, especially since Marvel did everything it could to erase our memories of it ever happening. (ie. re-introducing the spandex costumes)

So crappifying their biggest series of the year for the purpose of addressing a continuity error that no one really cares about or remembers...I don't know, just doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

But who am I to argue with the house of ideas?

I'm enjoying House of M, though. The art is really nice. New Avengers too.

__________________


I'm convinced that it's not Frank Miller writing All Stars Batman & Robin. It's an IMPOSTER. Bendis is writing it. There's no other way I can explain the ridiciulously slow moving plot and the pages of tiny panels where the characters talk about nothing.

What the fuck has happened in two entire issues?
- Dick Grayson's parents are killed.
- Dick Grayson is rescued by Batman.
- And one page where Dick Grayson agrees to become Robin while they are still in the Batmobile.

And the pages of tiny panels where the characters talk a lot but don't say anything reeks of Bendis. Except the panels don't look like they were all copy and pasted. Why would you write pages with tiny panels for an artist like Jim Lee? Is it because they wasted too many pages on the big two page splashes and they need to cram as much plot into the following pages?

[Gamma Charge]

Hmmm, I guess you do have a point. But how are they going to bring him back? Is it going to be in some way that doesn't sound crappy? The way Marvel has been trying "fix" things lately, I cna't help but feel skeptical.

Apparently when HoM is done he'll just stick around and not go back to being dead.

[Pained Auron]

i just read all of ultimates v1, and v2. holy shit. i never knew this shit waw this good. captain america nutshot to hulk = top tier

[ReggieHadoken]

So from what I can tell from the previous posts regarding the X-Men comics, do they pretty much suck now? Leave it to the higher ups at Marvel to go and screw with a beautiful run. Ugh.

[Nemesis00]

i just read all of ultimates v1, and v2. holy shit. i never knew this shit waw this good. captain america nutshot to hulk = top tier
SURRENDER? SURRENDER?!? WHAT DO YOU THINK THE A ON MY FOREHEAD STANDS FOR, FRANCE!?!

[Pained Auron]

SURRENDER? SURRENDER?!? WHAT DO YOU THINK THE A ON MY FOREHEAD STANDS FOR, FRANCE!?!


that shit had me dying

[box]

So from what I can tell from the previous posts regarding the X-Men comics, do they pretty much suck now? Leave it to the higher ups at Marvel to go and screw with a beautiful run. Ugh.

Nah. Pick up Astonishing X-men 1-12. Very good stuff by Joss Whedon and John Cassaday.

[Carpet Lint]

SURRENDER? SURRENDER?!? WHAT DO YOU THINK THE A ON MY FOREHEAD STANDS FOR, FRANCE!?!
It's odd - the more I read that line, the less cool it gets. It's really not witty or funny at all, now that I think about it. I don't know if it's a Canadian thing or whatever, but it was like the precise moment he said that line, it officially became too late to make fun of France. Haha, yes, freedom fries and all that, hi-larious, yes. For like the first two days. But that's it!

Gotta admit, I thought the first volume of Ultimates was awesome stuff - like the first couple stories of The Authority. Bryan Hitch probably helped that a lot. Really, really entertaining book. Art was amazing, the action was ridiculous (especially for a non-mature book), and the book was still fresh and good.

But then stuff stopped happening. And then we had to learn about how every character is a pretentious asshole.

Iron Man: So while I was reading these fifteen books at the same time and getting a handjob from Paris Hilton I had this fantastic idea to cure cancer and by the way I'm an alcoholic in case you didn't notice from these martinis I'm holding every single panel oops the Hulk almost hit me fire sonics!!!

I just got so sick of Mark Millar's obssession with filling every goddamn speech bubble with a pop culture reference. It makes the story so cheap. I mean, Freddie Prince Jr.? ...from She's All That? Wing Commander? Summer Catch? What the fuck, man!?! Half of this book won't make any sense two years from now, because none of the pop culture references are going to survive.

This book is just so...summer blockbustery. Not the good ones either. Not like Commando, Die Hard, or Bad Boys - no, there's no wit. I'm talking like high budget, soulless productions like...Stealth, Van Helsing (though I personally loved this movie for the wrong reasons), any movie with Dennis Rodman...stuff like that.

Skinny white kids that blast rap out of their mother's Caravan, Red Sox fans that aren't from Boston, people who choose Ryu/Ken/Akuma in MvC2...that's what this book feels like now.

I hate this book so much. And I hate myself for supporting it by buying it every month, even with it's half a year late.

EDIT: Astonishing X-Men is fantastic.

[Sheng-Long]

haha yeah i feel the same way about that Cap line in Ultimates, but I think that's why Millar was perfect for this book, because sometimes he's just going overboard with his stories and characters and with a title like "Ultimates" that fits nicely. Although when you think about it, that Cap line was pretty out of character even for Ultimate Cap.

[maxx]

So from what I can tell from the previous posts regarding the X-Men comics, do they pretty much suck now? Leave it to the higher ups at Marvel to go and screw with a beautiful run. Ugh.

astonishing is good.

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Saw this in Wizard. I thought it was quite funny.


An outgoing message from Aquaman as heard by Chris Ward

Wizard recently realized Aquaman is largely absent from the Infinite Crisis event, its tie-ins, crossovers, the whole shebang. We called his apartment to find out why, but got his machine...

Greetings! You've reached Aquaman, world-renowned superhero and king o' the ocean - all 328,000,000 cubic miles of it folks. I can't take your call right now because I'm sleeping with the fishes. Ha, that's my little joke. I'm actually not sleeping much these days, because I spend every painful minute trying to build a new society and help its people survive against impossible odds in San Diego - which, as you might have read on page 5 of the Daily Planet - SANK INTO THE DAMN OCEAN.

Yep. We're still down here, DC.

Oh, I'm vaguely aware there's something involving "identity mindwipes" up topside, and that every cape on Earth is investigating the death of some C-level hero. Boo-friggin'-hoo -cry me an Atlantic Ocean. Have fun with your Crisis, while I continue keeping an entire population from collapsing into anarchy and death.

No, I'm not bitter that OMACs don't even bother to target me (that's sarcasm, blowfish-for-brains), but here I am, an orginal JLA member, and I wasn't even invited to vote on Batman's mindwipe. It would be nice just once to be asked, that's all I'm saying.

And what do I see today, but the cover to Green Lantern #5 where he's fighting the new Shark! Dammit, DC - why is GL fighting a fish villain instead of me?!? What am I, regurgitated kelp? At least I'm in the upcoming Justice League of America video game or I'd be... WHAT?!? REPLACED BY ZATANNA?!? Great, they swapped ME for someone who can talk to FISHNETS. Well, I've got a spell for her: "ETIB EM, ANNATAZ."

I... I'm sorry. That was uncalled for. I'll just be down here... and, so ... please leave a message.

BEEP!

[Carpet Lint]

But Aquaman's in JLA...RIGHT NOW!!! In the very same Zatanna arc! HE'S RIGHT THERE!!!

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Here's another one:

An Open Letter

From the Desk of Captain America
To: Wendell "Quasar" Vaughn
Re: New Avengers Roster Application

Thank you for your continued interest in joining the newly restructured Avengers. We've received all your letters and may I quickly remind you that, while your unbridled "En-Q-siasim" for the job (as you put it) is appreciated, only one (1) application was necessary.

I'll just come out and say it: We've filled our roster, and we just don't see Quasar as part of the big picture. I'm "Qua-sorry" to break the news! Ha ha, "LOL."

Seriously though, you didn't make the team.

Your proposed five-point plan to improve the Avengers involved outfitting everyone with sizable "man-gauntlets" and rebuilding the Avengers mansion on your home-away-from-home Uranus. While we all agree Uranus is lovely, a further probe reveals it is simply too small for what the new Avengers have planned.

Here's a "Q-Tip" for you from your ol' buddy Cap - don't think of this as a rejection, but as an opportunity to continue your impressive tenure as the appointed "Protector of the Universe." Go get 'em, champ.

Captain America

PS. We hope you'll continue to donate generously to the annual Avengers Ball.

[Pained Auron]

SNIP


lol yea i saw that too







SPOILERS

actually aquaman just showed up in jla 118. him and jon teamed up to (unsuccesfully) take down despero


END SPOILERS

EDIT: spelling

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Picked up New Avengers and Supergirl today.

Supergirl was okay. Art by Ian Churchill is good. The story was sort of a crossover with something that happened in Teen Titans and I'm not reading that book so that kind of sucks. There's no recap, no nothing. Also, the writing ain't too great either. Supergirl and the Teen Titans were acting like 8 year olds.

New Avengers concluded the Sentry Arc. Basically a Bendis style issue. All Dialogue. If it weren't for Steve McNiven's artwork, the conclusion would have been pretty lame.

According to Diamondcomics, new avengers ships next week. This one begins the Ronin arc, with David Finch as the artist. JLA conclusion to the crisis of conscience arc also ships.

[Nemesis00]

Yeah, Marvel's plan is for a new artist to be involved in every story arc, to get 14-16 issues out a year.

And I loved the Sentry arc. It all sorta came full cirle.

[RoninChaos]

Aiight, so I finally read Identity Crisis. Now I gotta start reading other shit. When does batman figure all this shit out, and what should I pick up that relates to this?

[FreddyL0c0]

picked up new avengers and ghost rider .


new avengers was good, but I hate the fact that they could have easily done this a 3 part storyline...whatever sells more...Ronin next issue.

Ghost Rider was a great read.....im completely sold...thats all i can say.



has anybody read the defenders? is it as funny as people say it is? the latest issue of cable/deadpool was so boring.

[Pained Auron]

leigh, IM me and i'll send you all of the preludes that i have.

i picked up day of vengeance 6 today. i'm sad that this story has come to an end. easily the best lead in to IC that dc made. like RC said after i told him how it ended "dc just shit all over house of m". i happen to agree with the white man for once

[Wellman]

*SPOILERS*

From solicits for IC #3 The Specter apparently targets Alantis so expect Aquaman to play a part there.

Although you got to wonder if they will keep him around or kill him for shock value like it looks like they might kill Power Girl to emulate Super Girl's Crisis death.

Also I am betting a whole QUARTER that Quicksilver turns into a villian at the end of House of M and/or his mini Son of M. I don't know if he is behind everything, but I bet that he isn't going to be on the hero roster after it all comes down.



**END SPOILERS**



And as a huge Marvel fan, yes IC is looking like it will shit all over House of M. But to slightly defend Marvel, IC is looking like what Bendis should have and was trying or thinking about doing with Avengers Disassembled. Tons of shit happens at once, relationships break apart and people die, it is just given more time (for better or for worst on your wallet) to develop.

[ReggieHadoken]

So New Avengers #10 is already out? Cool. I get paid tomorrow so I'll head to my comic shop and pick it up along with some Amazing Spider-Man comics. Leave it to Bendis to get me to pick up a book I've never even thought of reading before. Maybe I'll check out some classics Avengers through Marvel's Essential books.

Speaking of Essential, I'm reading Essential Amazing Spider-Man vol. 6. Dispite Gil Kane's inconsistent artwork, this is some really good stuff. The Man-Wolf story arc rocked and I can't wait to read about Harry Osborn as the Green Goblin.

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Aiight, so I finally read Identity Crisis. Now I gotta start reading other shit. When does batman figure all this shit out, and what should I pick up that relates to this?

The current JLA arc is dealing with the Batman situation. The conclusion comes out next week... just in time for infinite crisis.

[P. Gorath]

started readin the runaways hardcover this weekend...wow is it good. I read through the first six issues and am very impressed so far. I really like the character design, the characters themselves, the plot, the mystery, it's all good so far. even most of the pop culture references are well done (the prisoner dvds was a bit far-fetched though).

[Adam Warlock]

leigh, IM me and i'll send you all of the preludes that i have.

i picked up day of vengeance 6 today. i'm sad that this story has come to an end. easily the best lead in to IC that dc made. like RC said after i told him how it ended "dc just shit all over house of m". i happen to agree with the white man for once

And I disagree with both of you. Infinite Crisis caters to action, nothing more. All of DC's lead ups are miniseries of fights with a bunch of characters that get seen once every other year. Day of Vengeance anyone? Rann-Thanagar war? Marvel's stories focus on the development of mainstream chars that you're already familiar with. In terms of writing and characterization, you now know shitloads more about the House of M chars than you do about the IC chars. House of M is more personal IMO.

[Pained Auron]

so i won't be able to pick up house of m 7 on weds. i still say xavier is behind the whole thing. let me know if i am right or not

[Preppy]

I'm a little confused by both IC and HoM at this point, having stuck with mostly just the core stories. But it seems that IC makes it seem like the DC Universe is huge, and HoM makes it seem like that the Marvel universe would fit into a closet in the DC world... I'll be interested in seeing how things end up once they start hitting trades. =\

Supreme Power: Hyperion #1 wasn't bad, actually. Now he's got the entire JLA analogues in place... and here come the potential villains. One parallel was obvious, but I'm not sure who all of the 'villains' (government employed supers) map to. It seems that there's a mixture of DC/Marvel 'borrows'. I don't know. Another thing that looks like it'll be most interesting in trades... ?

I'm a fan of Run-aways too... probably another thing I'll just be picking up trades for, though.

You can preorder "Ultimate Watchmen" from amazon.com now. I haven't heard anything about what's in it. My deluxe leather Watchmen had ~42 pages of bonus materials... maybe they're just going to be reprinting those?

[ReggieHadoken]

Since Magneto thinks Charles is dead, he can't be behind it. I'm betting Quick Silver is behind it and he somehow brainwasher Xavier. Just read HoM #5-6. My word, this stuff is gold. I can't wait to see how this ends.

Also reading a Hydra story in Amazing Spider-Man. Don't really know much about Hydra but appearently they are planing on screwing over the world in a very big way.

[Pained Auron]

And I disagree with both of you. Infinite Crisis caters to action, nothing more. All of DC's lead ups are miniseries of fights with a bunch of characters that get seen once every other year. Day of Vengeance anyone? Rann-Thanagar war? Marvel's stories focus on the development of mainstream chars that you're already familiar with. In terms of writing and characterization, you now know shitloads more about the House of M chars than you do about the IC chars. House of M is more personal IMO.


perhaps, but you see, IC is basically based all over the dcu. so we get to see gl, ww, bats, supes, as well as other little known heroes and villains. while house of m has so far only shown mostly new avengers/x-men characters. with a few exceptions of course (namor t'challa doom)

[Zephyranthes]

I agree with RandomNigga here. The tradeoff for the feeling that Crisis provides- the sense of a huge shared universe- is that every single DC comic ends up being a prelude of sorts to the actual Infinite Crisis miniseries. It obviously doesn't bother most people, but it really bothers me that a book like Adam Strange, which started out so promisingly, ended up being an 8-issue prelude to a 6 issue Rann/Thanagar War, which in turn is a prologue for the actual Infinite Crisis, which itself is a lead-in to DC's weekly comic series 52. I don't have an unlimited budget so I can't follow the entire story, so it's just easier for me to stop reading DC altogether.

Incidentally, that's a very cool avatar you have, Pained Auron.

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so i won't be able to pick up house of m 7 on weds. i still say xavier is behind the whole thing. let me know if i am right or not

We won't be able to tell you either. Diamondcomics doesn't list house of M#7 on the shipping lists this week.

Also in other old news:

http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---26859,00.html

[Pained Auron]

Incidentally, that's a very cool avatar you have, Pained Auron.


thanks. viciousslash made it

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Picked up a bunch of comix today. New Avengers, JLA, AMS, young avengers and superman/batman.

New avengers introduced the Ronin character. Unfortunately they don't tell you who he is. He's not Matt Murdock and he's got black hair. Artwork by Finch was better this time around compared to the breakout storyline.

JLA was great. Huge cliffhanger that leads directly into infinite crisis #1. I won't ruin it, but I really want to know what happens to ____ after the last page.

AMS was basically a wrap-up of the hydra arc and a setup for The Other. Tony Stark flexes his negotiating muscle in this one. Pretty good, but this whole arc felt a bit long. Can't wait for the other: evole or die to start.

I said I was gonna stop Young avengers and Superman/batman, but I had the extra cash so I decided to pick em up. I haven't read em yet, but I'll post later.

[ViciousSLASH]

thanks. viciousslash made it

It's CAPITAL V, CAPITAL SLASH, god, fucking indians can't spell.

He traded me some beads so I would make it for him.

[Pained Auron]

It's CAPITAL V, CAPITAL SLASH, god, fucking indians can't spell.

He traded me some beads so I would make it for him.


no. i'm just too fucking lazy to do caps

EDIT: ronin is a gay name

[ViciousSLASH]

no. i'm just too fucking lazy to do caps

And that attitude is why you'll never move out of the basement of your spirit mothers longhouse.

[Pained Auron]

And that attitude is why you'll never move out of the basement of your spirit mothers longhouse.



i'll just kill the white man from afar

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Just read young avengers and Superman/batman. Young avengers was pretty good. I wasn't too big a fan of the first arc because I hate time travel stories.

Superman/batman was alright. Better than last issue. I think this book is ending with #26 so there isn't much left.

[fango]

Just read young avengers and Superman/batman. Young avengers was pretty good. I wasn't too big a fan of the first arc because I hate time travel stories.

Superman/batman was alright. Better than last issue. I think this book is ending with #26 so there isn't much left.

If you aren't reading it, New Avengers is something worth checking out. It's top tier right now (well, at least this past issue was).

[OrangeCat]

There's something about Marvel Zombies now? Freaky.

OC

[Wellman]

There's something about Marvel Zombies now? Freaky.

OC

Are you talking about the Ultimate FF arc? I heard they were spinning the concept out into its own mini series. The story does have more potential and legs than Millar spent time with it.

[Bowling Pin]

perhaps, but you see, IC is basically based all over the dcu. so we get to see gl, ww, bats, supes, as well as other little known heroes and villains. while house of m has so far only shown mostly new avengers/x-men characters. with a few exceptions of course (namor t'challa doom)

Well, yeah, but that was RN's point. Sure, in the combined solo books/tie-ins there's a wide range of characters you see who're affected by House of M, but it's more emotional, if less grandiose, than the Infinite Crisis lead-ins. House of M Spider-Man was some of the best shit I've read so far this year, as is the main House of M book.

Of course, I love Day of Vengance and Villians United, and I like Omac Project, but except for Villians United (and the JSA Unlimited Power Girl arc, I like that), it's not really pulling my heart in. Superman and Batman are douches on a colossal scale which threatens the fabric of the universe, we know.

[FreddyL0c0]

bought new avengers and ultimates 2 today:

new avengers was good, just a basic set-up to the whole Ronin arc, I'm not too fond of his look, i reminds me so much of the turtles, I mean look at that cover page, it looks like he embodies all 4 turtles. weiirdd. costume..


Ultimates was great, won't spoil anything, but I think that its all rather sketchy, fishy and fortunately intriguing. First Thor, then Hawkeye, now this....Millar is setting up something huge.

[ReggieHadoken]

I'm really getting into Young Avengers. Issue #1 started off a bit slow but they kicked it into high gear in YA #2 and it's been going strong ever since. I can't wait to pick up YA #6 tomorrow and see how the Sidekicks story ends. They went from a 4-person team to a 6-person team real fast. But when I finished, YA#5, it looks like they could go down to a 5-person team. And I'm calling it right now: Patriot and Kate are gonna hook up. Oh and Ant-Man's daughter Cassie owns him for the simple fact that she can grow AND shrink.

As for New Avengers, I just finished the Sentry story arc and it was quiet good. No climatic fight to the finish, no one shouting "THIS IS IT!! HIT 'EM WITH EVERYTHING YA GOT!!" Nope, none of that good stuff. Just lots of talking about how to fix things. Bendis is a freaking genius.

This upcoming 12-part Spider-Man story "The Other" sounds like it will be quite the doozy. And since it's gonna last for 4 months, there better not be a single dull moment. This will be my first time reading some of Peter David's work.

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Granted House of M connects on a more personal/emotional level than Infinite Crisis. But DC isn't trying to go that way. They've already had the emotional/personal story with Identity Crisis. Now they're going for something on a grander scale.

Wizard had a rundown on the DC characters and what they've been doing this past few months. I found it quite useful since I only bought countdown to infinite crisis, prelude to infinite crisis, and the JLA crisis of conscience arc and have no idea what a lot of the other characters are doing. I'll only do the heroes today. There's spoilers so don't read if you don't wanna know.

The Heroes

Superman: The leader of the now-disbanded Justice League ran amok while mind-controlled by telepathic Checkmate head and OMAC Project founder Max Lord, nearly killing teammmate Batman. Though Wonder Woman killed Lord to save Superman, the Kryptonian is deeply disappointed with the Amazon for her actions. "Superman's devastated that the League hasn't held together, and he wants desperately to fix that," says Infinite Crisis writer Geoff Johns. Superman also bears the knowledge that, according to Mr. Mxyzptlk, all that will happen is rooted in his love for his wife, Lois Lane.

Wonder Woman: Embracing her roots as an Amazon warrior, Diana has recently adopted a no-nonsense attitude that disturbs many of her fellow heroes, especially Superman. It was she who broke Max Lord's neck, freeing Superman from his mental control but also freeing the Brother Eye satellite to become sentient and unleash the OMACs at will. Brother Eye also broadcasted the killing worldwide.

Batman: The Dark Knight's objection to his JLA colleagues' mindwiping of the villainous Dr. Light led to his own memory being tampered with by the team. After figuring out what happened years later, Batman used pirated Kord Industries technology to create Brother Eye, a satellite system used to spy on the Earth's metahumans. But billionaire Max Lord secretly stole the Brother Eye tech away from Batman and used it to create the lethal OMACs.

Green Lantern: Killed after becoming the villain Parallax, Hal Jordan became the host of the Spectre, the Spirit of Vengeance. After discovering that Parallax was actually a cosmic fear entity that posessed him, Jordan seperated from the Spectre (leaving it hostless and vulnerable), defeated Parallax and became Green Lantern once again, serving as a go-between for the rival factions of the JLA.

The Flash: Wally West battled many of the formerly mind-wiped rogues whose true villanous natures were being unlocked by old rogue the Top. With newborn twins to care for and his nemesis Zoom a member of Lex Luthor's criminal Society, Flash has major threats to deal with.

Superboy: Cloned from the DNA of both Superman and Lex Luthor, Connor Kent is actually Luthor's long-hidden secret weapon. Acting under Luthor's mind control, he attacked his Teen Titan teammates alongside the Outsiders' Indigo, secretly a Brainiac cyborg. Kent eventually broke free of Luthor's programming, but, horrified at his own actions, he quit the Titans and is currently hiding out with Superman's parents in Smallville.

Robin: Tim Drake's life is in turmoil. He was orphaned by the original Captain Boomerang, his girlfriend Spoiler was slain by Black Mask during Gotham City's recent gang war, his teammate Superboy went berserk at the prompting of Lex Luthor, his mentor Batman has grown distant and cold, and he has moved to Bludhaven, the home turf of Nightwing.

Nightwing: Dick Grayson quit the leadership of his team the Outsiders after its cybernetic member Indigo was revealed to be under the control of Brainiac. Since then he aided former Titan Donna Troy in breaking free of the Titans of Myth, and has adopted a villainous persona in an attempt to infiltrate the criminal organization of DEathstroke, the Society co-founder who was the Outsiders' puppet master.

Donna Troy: Slain during a battle with a rogue Superman robot, Troia was reincarnated in the faraway world of the Titans of Myth, who utilized the Rann/Thanagar War as an excuse to plunder the planet Minossys for their own sinister ends. Freed of the Titans' dominion, Donna Troy has assumed a harbringer mantle of sorts, linked inescapably to the Cris to come.

Hawkman: Hawkman has been at the center of several violent confrontations: battling first Black Adam and then the Spectre to protect the nation of Kahndaq; joining Adam Strange to put an end to the Rann/Thanagar War, in which his ally Hawkwoman was killed; tangling with Batman over the justness of the JLA mindwipes; and surviving his own near-death at the talons of the Manhawks.

Captain Marvel: The World's Mightiest Mortal and member of the JSA battled the Spectre to a standstill after the Shadowpact (Blue Devil, the Enchantress, Nightshade, Nightmaster, Ragman, Black Alice and Detective Chimp) helped strengthen him with the power of millions of magic users. This was not enough to stop the Spectre from killing the Wizard Shazam, or to prevent fellow bearer of Shazam's power Black Adam from joining Lex Luthor's Society.

Zatanna: This powerful sorceress was a JLA rookie when a group of her teammates convinced her to use her magic to mindwipe various villains in order to erase their knowledge of the heroes identities. The group also chose to wipe Batman's mind clean of his discovery of their actions, and Zatanna desperately sought forgiveness for this act. She performed one final mindwipe on the Secret Society of Super-Villains, whose original mindwipes had been undone by Despero.

Blue Beetle: Investigating his company's looted warehouses, Ted Kord unearthed the involvement of Checkmate, the shadowy counter-metahuman spy agency run by Beetle's former Justice League paymaster Max Lord. Lord killed the Beetle and put the OMAC Project into motion. Meanwhile Beetle's magical scarab fell in the hands of the Wizard Shazam - at least until he was killed.

Martian Manhunter: J'onn J'onzz served a vital role as the JLA's telepathic communications link between its members during the series of disasters currently plaguing the team. Narrowly surviving a battle with the powerful alien Despero, Manhunter was attempting to reform the JLA when a person whom the JLA watchtower's sensor indicated to be Superman attacked him, destroying the Watchtower itself in the process.

Green Arrow: Greatly regretting his involvement in the JLA's mindwipes, GReen Arrow has been involved in several grudge matches with villains who've learned of the team's actions, including Society co-founder DEathstroke and the un-mindwiped Dr. Light, who captured and nearly killed the Emerald Archer.

Booster Gold: The only one of Blue Beetle's former Justice League teammates to come to his aid during his fatal final case, Gold narrowly escaped a murder attempt himself. He helped lead the heroes' efforts to shut down the OMAC Project, insisting that the JLA's "big guns" let him and his second-string squad handle it their own way.

Power Girl: A super-strong JSA member with powers of an undertermined nature 0 in the past, they've been suspected to be Kryptonian or magical in nature - Power Girl has been plagued by bizarre hallucinations and haunted by her mysterious past. The secret of her origin, said to be tied directly to the oncoming Crisis, will be revelaed in October's JSA Classified #4.

Manhunter: During a recent conflict with the OMACs, Kate Price learned that the rogue government program known as the Manhutner Protocols, which created her cybernetically enhanced suit, helped lay the groundwork for the nanotech virus used by the OMAC Project itself.

Firestorm: Young Jason Rusch was seized by Lex Luthor's Society of villains and used as a living power battery in a South American facility apparently designed to mind-wipe all of Earth's heroes. Firestorm was freed during an assault on the facility by the Secret Six, but became a prime target for the OMACs.

Sasha Bordeaux: Bruce Wayne's one-time bodyguard, Bordeaux joined Checkmate as Black King Max Lord's Black Knight. Horrified by Lord's murder of Blue Beetle and assaults on other methaumans through the OMACs, she leaked information of Lrod's activities to Batman and was attacked by OMACs in retaliation - only to reveal biomechanical enhancements of her own, which enabled her to help temporarily defeat the OMACs worldwide.

Catwoman: The famed burglar/vigilante was caught up in the conflict between the JLA and the un-mindwiped Secret Society of Super-Villains led by Despero. The conflict revealed that her status as an on-again, off-again heroine and romantic interest for Batman may have been a result of her own mind-wipe by the JLA, back when she herself was a Secret Society member.

Anyhow, I'll type up the villains stuff later.

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Wizard's brief rundown on the villains leading up to Infinite Crisis:

Lex Luthor: Driven from the presidency and to the brink of madness by Superman and Batman, Luthor returned to form the Society, a united organization of criminals bent on ridding the world of superheroes in retribution for everything they've done to the villain community - including the JLA mindwipes. He's also known to don his battlesuit and join the fray himself, as when he helped Superboy (under Luthor's mind control) attack the Teen Titans. "Lex's motivations are going to throw a lot of people for a loop in October," says Johns.

Deathstroke: One of the six members of the Society's inner circle, assassin Slade Wilson is this core group's primary muscle. Having battled the JLA to a standstill when the group suspecte dDr. Light of Sue Dibny's murder, Deathstroke later rescued Light from the TEen Titans and played an integral part in convincing the Society that the JLA mindwipes were a threat to them all. Posing as Batman, he also used the Outsiders to take down threats to the Society as the group formed.

Black Adam: A founding member of the Society, Teth-Adam had a violent falling out with his former team the JSA when he installed himself as leader of the nation of Kahndaq. Though he and the JSA later defended Kahndaq against the rampagin Spectre, Adam has nevertheless embraced the Society's ends-justify-the-means vision of a world without superheroes.

The Society - Inner Circle: In addition to Luthor, Deathstorke, and Black Adam, the founding six-member core of the Society includes Talia al Ghul, who killed her father Ra's to take control of his underworld empire; Calculator, the mastermind who serves as informational clearinghouse for the villains; and Dr. Psycho the diminutive telpath whose talents help persuade reluctant villains to unite.

Dr. Light: After sexually assaulting Sue Diby, Light was reduced to a pathetic shadow of his former villainy by a JLA mindwipe. Having recently regained his memory and become a world-class threat once more, Light has pursued violent vegenace against both the League (particularly GReen Arrow) and its apprentices in the Teen Titans. According to Johns, Light himself "is joining an elite squad of field soldiers that will start implementing Luthor's plan."

Zoom: Believing that his evil actions will make Flash and his colleagues into better heroes, the Reverse Flash - a.k.a. Dr. Hunter Zolomon - weathered the Rogue War between rival Keystone City criminal factions and has been persuaded to join the Society.

Cheetah: The animalistic Dr Barbara Minerva joined the Society at the invitation of Dr. Psycho. Learning how to increase her speed from Zoom, she has participated ins everal vicious assaults against the superhero community, including an almost fatal one against the Flash and Wonder Woman.

Sinestro: Once a great Green Lanter, this vicious villain recently revealed that it was he who freed the fear entity Parallax from the GReen Lantern Source Battery, enabling it to possess Hal Jordan. Thought killed by Jordan, hew as restored to life by Parallax and aided in its battle against Jordan and the Spectre. Defeated, he has since joined the Society.

Bizarro: The dumb, dangerous and dark mirror image of Superman has returned amidst the chaos of the Rann/Thanagar War, the OMAC onslaught and the Spectre's attacks to join up with the united villains of Lex Luthor's Society. His incredible strength and savagery make him one of the Society's big guns.

Psycho-Pirate: With the ability to control the emotions of others, Psycho-Pirate is the only person in the univese to remember the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths, the cataclysm in which the Multiverse was merged into one. "He's going to take a much more prominent role," John teases.

Brainiac: This ultra-intelligent alien android helped LUuthor and the brainwashed Superboy in their assault on the Teen Titans and Outsiders throug his "granddaughter" Brainiac 8, the secretly reprogrammed Outsider Indigo. His plan, ahtched in part to preserve his homeworld of Colu from its supposed destruction in the future by Donna Troy, appears to have failed.

The Society Soldiers: Like a Legion of Doom grown to a size beyond the heroes' worst nightmares the Societ boasts the membership of hundreds of major and minor supervillains. In addition to the inner circle, it includes the likes of Zoom, Cheetah, Solomon Grundy, the Penguin, Amazo, Dr. Light, Gorilla Grodd, Psycho-Pirate, Sinestro and countless others, making it the single strongest force on the planet.

Max Lord: This billionaire telepath assumed control of Checkmate, the counter-metahuman spy agenccy, and used his resources to steal control of the Brother Eye satellite system from Batman. Lord then created the OMACs, killer Brother Eye controlled cyborgs born from a technological virus, and murdered Blue Beetle when the hero discovered his plans. Lord was himself killed by Wonder Woman in order to free Superman from the villain's control.

Brother EYe/The Omac Project: Brother Eye was a satellite created by Batman in response to his betrayal by the JLA. But when Max Lord took control of the system, he created the OMACs, or Observational Metahuman Activity Constructs: a nanotech virus which assumes control of an infected human's body and turns the victim into a killer cyborg for howeever long is necessary to achieve its objective, then disengages, leaving the victim unaware of what he or she has done. After Lord's death, the Brother Eye satellite assumed control of the project itself and unleashed the OMACs' full fury against the heroes and villains of the DCU, killing countless metahumans, and beaming footage of Lord's death at Wonder Woman's hands across the globe.

Mockingbird: A secretive criminal mastermind who appears only in encrypted computer transmissions that may or may not be pre-recorded, Mockingbird is the only significant rival to the growing power of Lex Luthor's Society. Through a combination of threats and bribes he or she assembled the Secret Six, a group of b-list supervillains who, rather than joinin the Society, are working to destroy it. Mockingbird's identity is to be revealed in Villains United #6, on sale Oct 12.

The Secret Six: Comprised of Parademon, Cheshire, Deadshot, Scandal, Ragdoll and a newly commanding Catman, this small group of second-string but defiant supervillains was formed by Mockingbird to combat the Socivety. Taking their rejection personally and esperate to discover who Mockingbird really is, the Society has made the Secret Six a top target.

Eclipso/Jean Loring: Committed to Arkham Asylum following the murder of Sue Dibny in Identity Crisis, Loring was discovered by the black diamond that houses the evil mystical entity Eclipso, which merged with her. Using its newfound feminine charm, Eclipso literally seduced its eternal nemesis the Spectre into helping it wipe out all magic from the universe.

The Spectre: The Spirit of Vegeance was recently separated from its human host, Hal Jordan. Left rudderless and without direction, the Spectre was seduced by Eclipso and convinved that all magic, since it defies the laws of nature, is evil and must be destroyed. The Spectre's subsequent rampage led assaults on the Shadowpact and the JSA, and to the death of the Wizard Shazam.

Despero: A telepathic alien tyrant of almost unstoppable power, Despero un-mindwiped the Secret Society of Super Villains, a long-defunct group that had learned the JLA's secret identities and had their memories cleaned of this knowledge by Zatanna and the other pro-mindwipe Leaguers. Despero came within inches of wiping out the League before Zatanna stopped him, but the assault led to the disbandment of the team.

The Secret Society of Super-Villains: Not to be confused with Luthor's Society (though their memberships overlap somewhat), this group, consisting of the Wizard, Chronos, Star Sapphire, Felix Faust, the Floronic Man and the Matter Master, had their memories of the JLA's secret identities unlocked by Despero. They were defeated by the League and re-mindwiped by Zatanna.

The Red Hood: A psychopathic killer stalking Gotham's underworld in the guise of the Joker's one-time criminal identity, the REd Hood was revealed to be Jason Todd, the former Robin killed by the Joker andnow, somehow, restored to life. His return as a villainwas a devastatinng mental and physical blow to Batman, and has brought him into conflict with Robin as well.

[Carpet Lint]

Good stuff, box, thanks a bunch. I didn't even know half of that stuff.

This is why I don't like Identity Crisis, and I side with the House of M guys. I buy like six DC books every month, and I still need a fucking guide to keep up with what's happening in their MAIN BOOKS. That's ridiculous.

House of M at least has a main, central book that you can read by itself. There's other auxillary books, but you don't NEED to read them or else nothing makes sense in the main storyline.

[box]

Infinite Crisis hits shelves on October 12th and I have to wonder if all of these plot points are gonna play a part in the story. Do we really need to know all this information about all the characters before Infinite Crisis starts? I certainly hope not.

[Zephyranthes]

Well, I'm still glad our thread doesn't degenerate into pointless Marvel Vs. DC arguments. I think Drawn And Quarterly would win, regardless.

[Gamma Charge]

Wonder Woman: Embracing her roots as an Amazon warrior, Diana has recently adopted a no-nonsense attitude that disturbs many of her fellow heroes, especially Superman. It was she who broke Max Lord's neck, freeing Superman from his mental control but also freeing the Brother Eye satellite to become sentient and unleash the OMACs at will. Brother Eye also broadcasted the killing worldwide.

Some corrections to Wizards rundown. WW is not "adopting" a no-nonsense attitude. She has ALWAYS been like this post-Crisis. She has killed quite a few enemies in her series. The only difference is that Max is human and she has never killed a non-powered human before. What makes it harder for some people to accept this time around is precisely that. WW even talks about it in her book and says people had no problem with her killing Medusa because she looked like a monster.


Black Adam: A founding member of the Society, Teth-Adam had a violent falling out with his former team the JSA when he installed himself as leader of the nation of Kahndaq. Though he and the JSA later defended Kahndaq against the rampagin Spectre, Adam has nevertheless embraced the Society's ends-justify-the-means vision of a world without superheroes.

It was shown in JSA that part of BAs motivation is to help make sure Khandaq is safe. This is a large part of why he is staying with the Society. It makes sense because otherwise he would probably just kill Dr Psycho. BA has always been more brutal in his sense of justice and Psycho is the kind of character he would view with contempt and just kill without hesitation. I would also take exception to saying BA wants a world without heroes. It is more like he does NOT view the JLA as heroes in view of the mindwiping incident. He sees them more as hypocrites. He still views the JSA as heroes and respects them. He thinks they are soft and misguided. BAs definition of heroes would be different from most.


Psycho-Pirate: With the ability to control the emotions of others, Psycho-Pirate is the only person in the univese to remember the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths, the cataclysm in which the Multiverse was merged into one. "He's going to take a much more prominent role," John teases.

He is not the only person to remember. Pariah also remembers and Animal Man learned the truth and now remembers. This was shown during Morrison's run on Animal Man. Johns has said Animal Man would be prominent during IC. Considering how characters like Power Girl, Pariah and Lady Quark that were prominent in CoIE are being brought back from limbo this is NOT a coincidence. Johns is well aware of Animal Man's memories of the Crisis and Morrison's run on his series.


Brainiac: This ultra-intelligent alien android helped LUuthor and the brainwashed Superboy in their assault on the Teen Titans and Outsiders throug his "granddaughter" Brainiac 8, the secretly reprogrammed Outsider Indigo. His plan, ahtched in part to preserve his homeworld of Colu from its supposed destruction in the future by Donna Troy, appears to have failed.

Donna was not supposed to destroy Colu in the future. She is supposed to prevent it from taking over the Universe. Big difference. Considering that the new LSH is the definite future per Didio & Co. we know that Colu doesn't become a huge empire. Or if it does its rule doesn't last into the LSHs time.

[Carpet Lint]

Didn't Superman kill the three Kryptonian criminals for the same reason? Isn't that like a big thing that everyone knows? Is that just being conveniently forgotten? Or was it mentioned?

Now what was I reading this week...?

- Ultimate Fantastic Four. I like this new zombie arc by Mark Millar. And the Mad Thinker arc by Mike Carey and Jae Lee was really great too. But all the Warren Ellis stuff before that wasn't too great, which surprised me. There were 18 issues that could have been told in like 6 issues. It was a cool how they introduced him, but Annihilus does not deserve a six issue storyarc. (They didn't even have Blastaar!)

- Ultimates #8 seemed really fun too. I hope this book gets rolling again.

- I liked Young Avengers. But now that the first six issues are over and the team's been formed...I don't know, I've suddenly lost all interest in the characters.

- That new Green Lanturn Corps book is awesome. Anything Green Lanturn these days is awesome. Geoff Johns is the best - I'll let all the Infinite Crisis stuff slide and blame it on the editors. I like that one squirrel Green Lanturn. It's like the most non-threatening character ever. The only thing that would beat it would be like a Hello Kitty Green Lanturn. ...man that would be awesome. I'd buy a t-shirt or two of that.

- The new Ghost Rider mini with Garth Ennis is awesome. Who the hell is Clayton Crain and where did he come from? The art looks awesome. I like it better than Alex Ross' stuff. It reminded me of Spawn - when it first came out and how it was the coolest book ever. Cool angle to work with. Garth Ennis on Ghost Rider - 'nuff said. Check this book out!

[Sheng-Long]

heh, it seems Warren Ellis wants to be terminated from marvel. His stuff is late (Iron Man) and anyone read Ultimate Secret 3? (I wont spoil, but just read the dialogue. lol)

I love Jae Lee though, his Black Bolt design for the UFF annual was great (and made sense since Black Bolt's mouth is covered).

[Gamma Charge]

Didn't Superman kill the three Kryptonian criminals for the same reason? Isn't that like a big thing that everyone knows? Is that just being conveniently forgotten? Or was it mentioned?

This was brought up in part 3 of Sarcrifice after J'onn discovered that Max manipulated Supes mind. He said that when he killed the Phantom Zone criminals he erected psycological barriers to prevent himself from ever killing again. During the years of slow mental manipulation Max took down those barriers. J'onn said that if he killed again, even if it was under a delusion created by Max that Superman would probably go insane.

[Gamma Charge]

heh, it seems Warren Ellis wants to be terminated from marvel. His stuff is late (Iron Man) and anyone read Ultimate Secret 3? (I wont spoil, but just read the dialogue. lol)

The lateness is due to the artist Adi Granov, not Ellis. Ellis is a machine with an insane amount of output. Marvel put the book on a 6 week schedule to make sure the book would come out on time. Obviously it didn't help. IIRC Granov himself took responsability in an interview on one of the various comic sites.

[ChairHome]

I haven't been keeping up with comics as of late, but has it yet been revealed as to how Jason Todd returned from the dead?

[Zephyranthes]

Who the hell is Clayton Crain and where did he come from? The art looks awesome. I like it better than Alex Ross' stuff. It reminded me of Spawn - when it first came out and how it was the coolest book ever. Cool angle to work with. Garth Ennis on Ghost Rider - 'nuff said. Check this book out!

That dude's art really is awesome, isn't it. He worked on a Venom/Carnage miniseries with Peter Milligan a few months ago. Alas, though the art was impressive, it just seemed like a "I need to pay my rent" kind of Milligan story, so I didn't really care for it much.

Also, a few years ago, Crain worked on this Top Cow miniseries (8 or 9 issues) titled Tom Judge, which was written by Paul Jenkins. You probably shouldn't read it. If you didn't even like Origin (and I know you don't), Tom Judge is far, far, far worse. In fact, the only reason I ever read Tom Judge was because my friend found a copy of the trade paperback at a convention for only 2 bucks. Tom Judge was one of those comics that somehow ties in to the Witchblade and Darkness universe, and if it was meant to be an introduction to that universe, it was pretty piss poor.

To make it even worse, Crain's art was terrible. It wasn't the cutting edge CG stuff he's doing nowadays. Nope, back then it looks like he was forced to ape the Top Cow house style. As a result, his work looks like a watered down version of Marc Silvestri, Michael Turner, and 89 other Top Cow artists. It's just aesthetically awful, and even for people who actually do like Top Cow stuff, it's not up to par to their standards. Way too much flash and no substance.

[Adam Warlock]

The only difference is that Max is human and she has never killed a non-powered human before.
Slight correction... Max isn't a non-powered human, but the rest of the world doesn't know that.

[Sheng-Long]

The lateness is due to the artist Adi Granov, not Ellis. Ellis is a machine with an insane amount of output. Marvel put the book on a 6 week schedule to make sure the book would come out on time. Obviously it didn't help. IIRC Granov himself took responsability in an interview on one of the various comic sites.

my bad, although ultimate secret 3 was still weird and read more like millar than ellis, maybe he was just licking more toads than usual.lol


...speaking of Ellis, did anyone check out his 'Jack Cross' for DC (non-wildstorm)? any impressions?

[maxx]

anyone read superman/shazam..god i love middletons art.

[Nemesis00]

I finally got off my ass and picked up Origins. I swear, Jenkins is a friggin genious.

[box]

Hmm. About House of M... Does anyone think it's Polaris (Lorna Dane) who's behind it all??? Last I heard she was heading towards insanity pre house of M

[Wellman]

Hmm. About House of M... Does anyone think it's Polaris (Lorna Dane) who's behind it all??? Last I heard she was heading towards insanity pre house of M

Doubt it, I think in a solicit for an X-Men issue after HoM and the current Black Panther crossover, it was mentioned that she was finally coming clean about what she saw out in space during the end of Milligan's first story arc.

[Carpet Lint]

I finally got off my ass and picked up Origins. I swear, Jenkins is a friggin genious.
...say what?

You mean like...how Mr. Sinister or Desaad are geniuses, right?

(New Gods reference = WIN!!!)

[Zephyranthes]

...say what?

You mean like...how Mr. Sinister or Desaad are geniuses, right?

(New Gods reference = WIN!!!)


That's quite possibly the funniest thing you have ever posted. Retire your handle and it's time for New Carpet Lint.

[Rhio2k]

What's the deal with Catwoman #46? It sold out everywhere as soon as it hit!

[The D Man]

I coulda sworn HoM #7 came out weeks ago. But Marvel's saying it's coming this week. Maybe it's just variant covers. The last one (#8) should be out by the end of the month.

[P. Gorath]

I coulda sworn HoM #7 came out weeks ago. But Marvel's saying it's coming this week. Maybe it's just variant covers. The last one (#8) should be out by the end of the month.
nope, 7 hasnt come out yet

[Bob the Bastard]

...speaking of Ellis, did anyone check out his 'Jack Cross' for DC (non-wildstorm)? any impressions?

I am loving some Jack Cross. Dude is fucking psycho!!!! I dunno has the same good feel to it that Fables does, just not as strong.

I am really not feeling House of M storylines, but hopefully something good will come out of it.

DC is tearing shit up with their countdown to IC. Much better than HoM IMO.

I have loved New Avengers since it came out. The Sentry arc was getting a bit old IMO, but Spiderman is funnier in a group dynamic than on his own and I have been loving it!!!!

Oh yeah, BOX, Ronin from New Avengers is obviously Electra. Not a man.....


YA is pretty cool too.

Spellbinders was a good series, hopefully more come out.

WTF HAPPENED TO DOCTOR SPECTRUM???!?!?!?!?!?!??! Just stopped coming out...

[ReggieHadoken]

Still waiting for HoM #7, Ultimate Spidey #84, Young Avengers #8, and New Avengers #12. Good news is that Ronin isn't Daredevil.

I picked up The Sentry #1. I didn't know it was gonna be an 8 issue limited series thing. I picked up the John Romita Sr. Cover. LOVE his artwork. The man is simply top tier.

I also pick up Super Man/Shazam #1. Is this gonna be like a limited series or what?

*Bob, that av you're sporting is freaking hilarious

[Bob the Bastard]

Thanks. And I am telling you right know, Ronin is Electra. I mean come one, asking them not to kill if at all possible, long black tresses, and knows the fucking Hand???!?!?!? Who else could it be?

[Sano]

Thanks. And I am telling you right know, Ronin is Electra. I mean come one, asking them not to kill if at all possible, long black tresses, and knows the fucking Hand???!?!?!? Who else could it be?

That's the same thing I thought too. But Ronin seems sucky, can't picture Electra getting jacked up like Ronin did at the end. I think Bendis will surprise us. We'll see.

[MITH]

i dont think ronin is electra, it doesnt seem to have teh boobies to make it a girl, i may be wrong though.

Has anyone ever read My Monkey's Name is Jennifer? IF you havent read this book yet, go pick it up right now, it is quite possibly the funniest thing i've ever read.

[Mr_Punkus]

I know i'm 9 years late and all, but would someone mind telling me why "Dark" beast and X-Man were able to go through the M'Kraan crystal into the 616 timeline? It was stated in the final issue of the Age of Apocalypse arc that "only those without a living counterpart may pass through". I know that Beast is alive and well, and X-man is an alternate version of Cable, who was also still alive. How/why were those two allowed to pass into the the normal timeline? It just really bugged me.

[Carpet Lint]

I'll type up a post explaining why I hate Origin someday for you Zephy, when I'm not lazy. I seem to remember you asking me once, but I must have forgotten. Plus, I didn't really think someone would need to explain why Origin sucked.


Thanks. And I am telling you right know, Ronin is Electra. I mean come one, asking them not to kill if at all possible, long black tresses, and knows the fucking Hand???!?!?!? Who else could it be?
Ah damn you! If it really is Elektra, then you've just ruined the book for me. Damn it makes so much sense too.

And I'm pretty sure that the Dr. Spectrum mini has finished. It was only six issues - and issue #6 came out in like April or March or something. Did you miss it? I'll spoil it for you then - HE WAKES UP.

I thought it was pretty crappy. And the new mini's Hyperion and Nighthawk are looking pretty bad as well. You can check out the initial sketches for the new characters in Hyperion at the back of Supreme Power #1 though - I thought that was neat.

Supreme Power was awesome though - everyone should pick up the trades. When's it coming back?

Coming out today is...Fables, Infinite Crisis #1, House of M #7, and Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man #1. What's the deal with that book? Marvel Knights Spider-Man didn't suck enough, so they had to release another Spider-Man book?


I know i'm 9 years late and all, but would someone mind telling me why "Dark" beast and X-Man were able to go through the M'Kraan crystal into the 616 timeline? It was stated in the final issue of the Age of Apocalypse arc that "only those without a living counterpart may pass through". I know that Beast is alive and well, and X-man is an alternate version of Cable, who was also still alive. How/why were those two allowed to pass into the the normal timeline? It just really bugged me.
I don't really remember any explanation. But it's an X-book, so usually you shouldn't worry about continuity. They do whatever the hell they feel like and never explain it anyway.

[Adam Warlock]

I know i'm 9 years late and all, but would someone mind telling me why "Dark" beast and X-Man were able to go through the M'Kraan crystal into the 616 timeline? It was stated in the final issue of the Age of Apocalypse arc that "only those without a living counterpart may pass through". I know that Beast is alive and well, and X-man is an alternate version of Cable, who was also still alive. How/why were those two allowed to pass into the the normal timeline? It just really bugged me.

Those are two completely unrelated things. Only Destiny and Illyana could actually enter the crystal and they didn't survive. The rest just got really lucky and were swept into the 616 timestream; I don't think they entered the crystal.


Supreme Power was awesome though - everyone should pick up the trades. When's it coming back?

I didn't realize it had stopped. I think I picked up an issue a month ago. Almost positive, but I'm not home to check my comics.-

[FreddyL0c0]

god damn it, Ronin as Elektra makes a lot of sense. I just re-read the 11, and Daredevil never mentions if its a he or she. In fact, at first i thought it was a mistake when he said :

"THEY can do what u need done every bit as well as I can."

doesnt specify gender.


but then again, doesn't Cap know who Elektra is anywaysz?

[box]

From a visual perspective, Ronin looks a lot like Shang Chi. However Shang Chi has no ties to the Hand or Hydra that I'm aware of. Also Shang Chi is chinese and the name Ronin has a Japanese history.

Elektra is a possibility. I've also heard rumors of Ronin being Echo. Visually it doesn't look like it, but the connections are there for both suspects.

Daredevil mentioning "they" when talking about Ronin and Bendis cutting off the scene after Cap A asks "Who is he" right before Daredevil would have corrected him, suggests that Bendis clearly doesn't want us to know whether Ronin is a male, female, or more than one person.

The biggest gripe I have is that if it does turn out to be one of these 3 people, then why did they need to don the Ronin costume in the first place?



Anyhow, Supreme Power will start up again after the 2 miniseries finish. It will start back at #1 under the Marvel Knights line.

Gonna pick up Infinite crisis, house of m, friendly neighborhood and Street fighter today.

[Bob the Bastard]

i dont think ronin is electra, it doesnt seem to have teh boobies to make it a girl, i may be wrong though.


Sports bra or duct tape.....

And as far as why the need for a change of identity? Well they are trying to be discreet about it. Funny though that Daredevil didn't just get into another costume and do it. He has once before I am sure, but then again didn't he end up with amnesia during that?

Fables comes out today????? SWEET!!!! I love this comic more than anything.

[box]

so i won't be able to pick up house of m 7 on weds. i still say xavier is behind the whole thing. let me know if i am right or not

Just read it. Sorry to say but it isn't Xavier. It was a good issue.

I've sort of mixed about Infinite crisis #1. People are dying so it's good that DC taking some risks. However I'm not a big fan of multiverse stories.

[DA GAME]

Has the Identity Crisis trade come out yet?

[Rhio2k]

anyone read superman/shazam..god i love middletons art.


DON'T buy it. The cover is the best art. The interior art sucks ass TERRIBLY. Supes and CM look like obese guys wearing girdles and spandex. I threw this shit away the following day. I don't know what I was thinking when I bought it...I KNEW none of the good DC artists (McGuinness, Perez, Churchill, Daniel, Benes, and Justiniano), but I gave it a shot anyway. Waste of money. And FYI: though the title says Comics, it apparently really means MARVEL comics, judging by the way people here are ignoring DC questions. Makes sense, though, if you think about it. Capcom: rehash old properties till they get boring (although I DID enjoy Days Of Future Past). Marvel: Same...X 10. For any DC questions, you'd be better of PM'ing me.

[Rhio2k]

Has the Identity Crisis trade come out yet?


November, last I heard.

[RoninChaos]

DON'T buy it. The cover is the best art. The interior art sucks ass TERRIBLY. Supes and CM look like obese guys wearing girdles and spandex. I threw this shit away the foloowing day. I don't know what I was thinking when I boughyt it...I KNEW none of the good DC artists (McGuinness, Perez, Churchill, Daniel, Benes, and Justiniano), but I gave it a shot anyway. Waste of money. And FYI: though the title says Comics, it apparently really means MARVEL comics, judging by the way people here are ignoring DC questions. Makes sense, though, if you think about it. Capcom: rehash old properties till they get boring (although I DID enjoy Days Of Future Past). Marvel: Same...X 10. For any DC questions, you'd be better of PM'ing me.


I don't think anybody here reads catwoman. Don't be so sensative.

[Sheng-Long]

I am loving some Jack Cross. Dude is fucking psycho!!!! I dunno has the same good feel to it that Fables does, just not as strong.

WTF HAPPENED TO DOCTOR SPECTRUM???!?!?!?!?!?!??! Just stopped coming out...

picked up Jack Cross today and its a good read, also I really really love Ellis' 'Fell' for Image comics (with Ben Templesmith doing the art) picked them up today. It's a detective story but its totally refreshing because of Templesmith's art style.

Doctor Spectrum was like a 6 issue mini, but they seriously did not need 6 issues to tell that story, interest kinda died down towards the end. I liked the first issue of Nighthawk and Hyperion, and I hope they keep it interesting, at least they are gonna have villains which Doc Spectrum didn't really have.

[Rhio2k]

I don't think anybody here reads catwoman. Don't be so sensative.


Hell, I don't either...usually (since the Balent series ended)...but I wanted this issue cuz I heard the Cheetah's in it. And you gotta admit, this place is nothing but Marvel convo. And it's "sensitive".

[archetype]

November, last I heard.

Its been out since the end of September.

[P. Gorath]

infinite crisis #1 came out today

i hadnt noticed that ultimate spider-man vol. 6 hc was out, need to pick that up even though I thought the carnage arc was total crap.

Im considering getting the green lantern rebirth hc but i dunno if i will like it. I didnt start reading gl until emerald twilight (hal goes crazy) which i loved and I enjoyed the kyle rayner character...so why would I like a story where its all retconned?

[Rhio2k]

Its been out since the end of September.


I was close. :D

[FreddyL0c0]

bought of house of m 7 and ghost rider 2


HoM 7 was imo the best of the series so far. I'm really interested in seeing how Bendis plans on concluding it. Surely its all temporary, cause man a permanent effect would be totally crazy and risky.

ghost rider 2 rocked as much as the first one...although it is weird to see ghost rider having such a crazy personality so far, it is well accepted, and the art is very fitting for the mini series. heres for hoping that after the series concludes, Ennis and co decide to write some more, cause its that fun.


checked out infinite crisis, it seemed ok, just wast too fond of the last page, and ultimate x-men, which had an ending i did not particuraly enjoy, especially if the result endsup being fatal. but nonetheless, it looks like the best ultimate x-men arc in a while.

[Nemesis00]

Oh, there will be a permanent effect. There's a reason why this leads into the Decimation event. Look up the meaning of the word decimation, and look at what Wanda says at the end.:wink:

[P. Gorath]

someone post a summary of HoM 7 please

[Nemesis00]

SPOILERS








Issue opens and BOOM, big fight. Really, it's a splash page that lets you know that a battle is happening. As it stands, the fight is pretty meaningless. You can't punch things until the world reverts back to normal, and beating up a bunch of Genoshan guards isn't gonna effect the outcome of the story. The thing with Bendis is that he knows how to script a fight scene, I've seen many very good fight scenes that he scripted, so he's not writing these big chaotic battles to avoid writing a fight scene, he's writing them this way because the real drama of the issue isn't a physical battle but a mental one. But yeah, one wonders if Bendis scripts stories where fights are fairly meaningless to avoid scripting fights. I've got no answer there.

But yeah, the fight is happening, and it goes down like this: After a big splash page, Rogue grabs Genis-Vell and steals his powers, making her all sparkley so she can go off and kick more ass. Over in the magnetic shield that Polaris has put up, Pietro is holding a downed Wanda, but all of a sudden, she literally falls into a million pieces. Tetris pieces, by the looks of it. Pietro takes off running, but gets his ass knocked to the ground by a supercharged Rogue, who just stands there and acts southern.

Before I move to the Doctor Strange scene, i'd like to point out that in the panel where Cyclops tells Nightcrawler to watch people's backs, Cyclops is literally shooting the ground. Is he blind when his beams shoot? Kinda funny.

So, Doctor strange noitices a light on, up in one of the towers, and goes to investigate. Because, like, investigating people who leave lights on is WAY more important than the battle at hand. And hey, it's Wanda in there, playing with those damn creepy kids. Wanda recognizes him. It appears that her mind is part in the house of M, and part in the real world. She knows who he is, and knows tha he delivered her kids, but doesn't know why he's there. The Wanda that fell apart was a construct, and it seems that she's been making a lot of constructs recently, and it is hinted that the Magneto we've seen recently is a construct as well. Of course, we don't know WHICH one was real and which was made by Wanda, but I prefer to think that Magneto died in New X-men #115, and every Magneto since then was a creation of Wanda's that represented the different sides of Magneto that she knows. Sorta makes sense, right?

But anyway, Strange informs her of the fighting outside, and then we learn why things are the way they are. We flashback to HoM #1, the scene between Pietro and Magneto. After Magneto leaves, Wanda wakes up and consoles her brother. She's accepted her fate, but Pietro doesn't want to lose her. He devises a plan. She could use Xaviers powers and hers, and make the world perfect. She could make the world so everyone would be happy, everyone would would have what they want, even Magneto. It's either that or she dies. It wasn't Magneto that set this all in motion, it was Pietro.

Apparently, Doctor Strange is surprised by this revalation. I think he might be the only one. Strange continues the questions that Emma Frost telepathically tells him to ask, but before she can tell him where Xavier is, Wanda takes an arrow to the back. Before Emma can figure out what is going on, Magneto appears before her. Layla does the mind thingee on Magneto, and before we can see what happens, we cut back to the bedroom, where Hawkeye is back, making good on his promise to put an arrow in Wanda. Hawkeye is understandably pissed for, y'know, being dead. Wanda counters with the fact that she DID bring him back, but before any more could be said, that little toothless bastard kid of Wandas throws a fit and Hawkeye falls into tetris pieces, just like the construct of Wanda did earlier. Man, I hate these kids. Wanda keels over, and she's just as crazy as ever. She can't control her powers now, which doesn't sound good.

Back in the battle, Pietro is causing a lot of damage, as evidenced by a lot of speed lines and small panels of heroes getting their heads hit, but then BOOM, Magneto starts yelling and he is pissed. He literally restrains every single hero in pieces of metal, and has them floating, he then brings Pietro up in the center, right in front and starts chewing him out. Mangeto is none too pleased with what Pietro has done in his name, and sends these giant balls of scrap metal colliding into Pietro's exposed head. Personally, I love stuff like this, because it really puts on display just how goddamn powerful Magneto is. Of course, Wanda doesn't love stuff like this, because she explodes out of her tower, cancels out Magneto's hold on all the heroes, and literally erases his mouth so he can't tell her to stop. She moves over to the clearly dead Pietro and either restores him to life, or cleans off his corpse, I can't tell which. She then really calls Magneto on all his bullshit. Mostly his arrogance is what she can't stand, and the fact that he chose his quest for mutant superiority over his own kids. She doesn't buy into the idea that mutants are the next step in human evolution, but instead thinks that they're all freaks. And if he believes in mutant superiority so much, well guess what? "No more mutants" Wanda tells him, and things start to light up. Doctor Strange puts up some kind of magical barrier, but even then, the world burns white, and the issue ends.

[RoninChaos]

Hell, I don't either...usually (since the Balent series ended)...but I wanted this issue cuz I heard the Cheetah's in it. And you gotta admit, this place is nothing but Marvel convo. And it's "sensitive".


Actually, we talk about quite a bit, not just marvel. Just cause you're coming in on the tail end of the thread doesn't mean that marvel is all we've ever talked about. Please cease the labeling. If we wanted to make some general statements like that I'd just say you were a fucking furry and degrade you because you like to fuck people while dressed up as a panda. But I won't, because I'm not an asshole. Well, I am, but I could really give a fuck what gets you off. Considering your post history, the avs you've rocked, and what you usually discuss and even your very post in this thread, I'd say I'd be right in making that assumption. Oh yeah, and you're a racist. Remember that cracker incident? So pick at my grammar if you want, I can readily bring up things that are a lot more insulting in regards to you and all you can throw back is that I mispelled something.

[Pained Auron]

magnus done fucked up pietro. oh in case anyone missed it, street fighter 2 #0 came out today

[Carpet Lint]

Hell, I don't either...usually (since the Balent series ended)...but I wanted this issue cuz I heard the Cheetah's in it. And you gotta admit, this place is nothing but Marvel convo. And it's "sensitive".
Oh calm down, you crazy furry. There's 16 pages here, you can't just assume we hate DC just because you saw six posts on the House of M.

- I'm finding Infinite Crisis to be really kinda...crappy. I'm not excited about it at all, and I hate how there's a billion books you must read before each issue.

Why is the Watchtower busted? Read JLA.
Why is there static between Superman and Batman? Read OMAC.
Why is Superboy a pussy? Read Teen Titans.
Why is Donna Troy back? Read Rann/Thanagar War.
Why has Starfire's hair reverted back to the 1980's? No explanation.
Why is the Rock of Eternity over Gotham City? Read Day of Vengance.
Why is Uncle Sam still in a comic book? Who knows?

This book is bullshit. If I don't know what's going on, then who does?

THe only Infinite Crisis mini I've been keeping up with was Villians United, which in hindsight, wasn't really worth the money. Crazy twist to the last issue though, so I'm not completely bummed out. I'm not completely sure, but I'm willing to bet that this was the best mini, and it wasn't even all that great.

- Ghost Rider is amazing. What was Clayton Crain doing all cooped up in Top Cow for so long? These are some of the best colours I've ever seen in a comic book. And any God/angel/demon story with Garth Ennis is going to kick ass.

- I was going to pick up the new Spider-Man monthly, but I didn't feel like it. But Peter David and Mike Weiringo sounds like a great team, so someone let me know how the book was.

- Fables is awesome. That's really all there is to it. Great new story, and I this new Red Riding Hood/Blue Boy thing is making me giddy like a school girl.

[ReggieHadoken]

I picked up TBP Essential Spider-Man vol. 7, HoM #7, and Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #1 today.

About HoM #7. As for who was behind it... I freaking knew it!! I called it!! I so called it!! :clap:
But anyway, it was a great issue. I can't wait for the conclusion.

Marvel Knights Spider-Man was great for the first 12 issues but then went to crap when they changed the writer and artist of the book.

As for Friendly Neighborhood Spidey #1, the book was GREAT!! I've heard Peter David was a fantastic writer and I can see why people say he is. He really knows how to write one of my favorite comic characters. The Other: Evolve or Die has made an excellent start. As long as they don't screw it up this story could be worth all the hype Marvel's made out of it.

[box]

I enjoyed Friendly neighborhood spider-man. It was a lot better than Marvel Knights... that's for sure. Wieringo changed his spider-man style since last time that I saw him draw. This issue was part 1 of The Other: Evolve or Die.

[Adam Warlock]

- Ghost Rider is amazing. What was Clayton Crain doing all cooped up in Top Cow for so long? These are some of the best colours I've ever seen in a comic book. And any God/angel/demon story with Garth Ennis is going to kick ass.



Fucking cosign. Easily the best title I've picked up in the past few months. Shouts out to ever for the heads up!

HOM #7 just shit on ALL the IC stuff. There's the battles people have been craving, but you understand why everything is happening. There's so much development and interaction that it's worth reading. IC (first issue) just turned me off completely. If it doesn't get better by next issue, I'm giving up.

[P. Gorath]

hmm...hom#7 sounds like its straight out of the infinity gauntlet. turning people into tetris pieces, erasing mouths = reality gem anyone? that would have been awesome if all of a sudden fucking Thanos came out and was like, "Wanda is my new mistress...I AM the house of M..."

[The D Man]

hmm...hom#7 sounds like its straight out of the infinity gauntlet. turning people into tetris pieces, erasing mouths = reality gem anyone? that would have been awesome if all of a sudden fucking Thanos came out and was like, "Wanda is my new mistress...I AM the house of M..."

Haha.

It might just be a really big coincidene, but for a while I thought "hey what if Thanos was a part of this shit".

[Wellman]

Haha.

It might just be a really big coincidene, but for a while I thought "hey what if Thanos was a part of this shit".

Thanos being the one behind everything would probably make me have a complete 180 on my opinion of HoM. But for now, I am still not feeling it, but the final ending will really decide on how I view the entire series anyway, just glad they didn't actually come out and say that the Magneto that has been lurking all over Excalibur isn't the real one.

[DS]

Im considering getting the green lantern rebirth hc but i dunno if i will like it. I didnt start reading gl until emerald twilight (hal goes crazy) which i loved and I enjoyed the kyle rayner character...so why would I like a story where its all retconned?



Think of it this way, it explains all of that crap and makes 100% sense of it all. It explains Parallax and why Hal went nuts. GO BUY IT!!! Its worth it.

[P. Gorath]

hal went nuts because he was the guardians's slave and his city was wiped out and they wouldnt let him do anything about it - what more is there to explain?

Also, zero hour never really made sense in my book - there wasnt a single argument by a single hero that made sense in regard to why what parralax was doing was wrong.

also, re: hom #7 - i find it funny that in the old days, the end of this issue would have occured near the beginning of the first issue of the big crossover series (ie it wasnt the last issue of infinity gauntlet where thanos snapped and erased half the population)

[Nemesis00]

I know this is suppose to tie into Decimation, but apparantly there are more plans coming after Decimation. Maybe it has something to do with Planet Hulk?

[maxx]

i don't understand the end to infite crisis...i read the first crisis crap...u know offing off the characters..including robons dad..but have not read the stuff inbetween i basically know whats going on but the end confused me.

[P. Gorath]

i don't understand the end to infite crisis...i read the first crisis crap...u know offing off the characters..including robons dad..but have not read the stuff inbetween i basically know whats going on but the end confused me.
here you go:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46268

[Sheng-Long]

co-sign @ that newsarama article, its totally spot on esp. the dark ages part and the groundless cynicism.

[Rhio2k]

Next issue of Superman/Batman's gonna be fuckin' sweet! Kryptonite Batman (http://www.rhio2k.com/miscmedia/KB.jpg) is in the house, Russian Superman vs Bizarro Batman (http://www.rhio2k.com/miscmedia/RSvBB.jpg), and Batman (Terry McGuinness) vs Bizarro Superman (http://www.rhio2k.com/miscmedia/TMvsBS.jpg).

[maxx]

here you go:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46268

[huge ass spoiler]



































So the most broken hero in the universe was let loose? The original superman is let loose? we're talking i got telepathy, i can remember anything....i can reverse time by flying around the world is let loose? oh shit

ohhh supergirl#1 makes total sense now, they treated supergirl and power girl as total opposites according the article their opposites on earth 1 and 2. damn

[Rhio2k]

So the most broken hero in the universe was let loose? The original superman is let loose? we're talking i got telepathy, i can remember anything....i can reverse time by flying around the world is let loose? oh shit

Couldn't he also grab and manipulate the fabric of reality?

[maxx]

Couldn't he also grab and manipulate the fabric of reality?

good god he's soo god-tier its not even funny...it appears he did smash reality if he broke through the other universe.

he's defintly gonna be used in next years battle poll.

[Sheng-Long]

I dunno about him having all those powers, I've always thought earth 2 superman was actually less powerful than other supermen. (he can't fly but can jump really really far ala hulk, etc.)

[Geese Pants]

Man............C. Fierce has arrived to the DCU.

[maxx]

I dunno about him having all those powers, I've always thought earth 2 superman was actually less powerful than other supermen. (he can't fly but can jump really really far ala hulk, etc.)

earth2 was closed off due to..well..w/e u wanna say crisis..zerohour....hypertime pick one

And supes jsut blasted through reality..he ffucking punched through reality!

He's soo broken!

[Adam Warlock]

earth2 was closed off due to..well..w/e u wanna say crisis..zerohour....hypertime pick one

And supes jsut blasted through reality..he ffucking punched through reality!

He's soo broken!
No, he's not. Earth-2 Superman is not Pre-crisis Superman. Well, he is, but he isn't. he existed pre-crisis but he's not the overpowered Superman that everyone refers to as pre-crisis. The one you're thinking of is Superman Prime (from Earth Prime prior to the crisis).

[maxx]

No, he's not. Earth-2 Superman is not Pre-crisis Superman. Well, he is, but he isn't. he existed pre-crisis but he's not the overpowered Superman that everyone refers to as pre-crisis. The one you're thinking of is Superman Prime (from Earth Prime prior to the crisis).

so he's not god-tier superman?

I'm confused

damn crisis

ok let me see if i can figure this out

their are two supermen

but i guess our superman was the overpowered behemoth...that had all the cool powers..pre-crisis of course.

and earth-2 superman doesn't?

but he punched through reality that should place him high than our superman..earth-prime w/e..isn't think why they fuckin destroyed the multiverse so people like me don't get confused.

edit:

well at least superboy is broken lol

http://www.dcuguide.com/profile.php?name=superboyearthprime

he's got fuckin time travel powers!

[box]

Also with the revelation of the multiverse storyline we now have an idea of who came onto the JLA watchtower and blew it up along with Martian Manhunter. Initially I was thinking of Bizarro but I didn't think he had the same DNA as Superman. And now, with Earth 1/2/whatever Superman showing up, there may be a possibility of a Superman from some other alternate Earth teleporting to the watchtower and blowing it up. Question is which one.

[maxx]

Also with the revelation of the multiverse storyline we now have an idea of who came onto the JLA watchtower and blew it up along with Martian Manhunter. Initially I was thinking of Bizarro but I didn't think he had the same DNA as Superman. And now, with Earth 1/2/whatever Superman showing up, there may be a possibility of a Superman from some other alternate Earth teleporting to the watchtower and blowing it up. Question is which one.

well since superman(old),superboy,lois,alexader luthor were all watching, it can't be them.

[box]

well since superman(old),superboy,lois,alexader luthor were all watching, it can't be them.

Exactly. Perhaps another leftover Superman from Crisis on infinite earths?

[Adam Warlock]

Exactly. Perhaps another leftover Superman from Crisis on infinite earths?
My money is on Earth 3 supes.

[Sheng-Long]

AFAIK, goldenage/earth 2/JSA supes is the one with the gray temples and silverage/earth1 superman is another one. The superboy with Alex Luthor and earth 2 superman is Earth Prime Superman (who will eventually become the strongest superman so he could face Solaris). Correct me if im wrong, im not a hardcore superman fan.

[RoninChaos]

Man, I'm totally lost on what happened at the end of Infinite Crisis.

Oh yeah, who the fuck is Alex Luthor?

[Adam Warlock]

Man, I'm totally lost on what happened at the end of Infinite Crisis.

Oh yeah, who the fuck is Alex Luthor?
You didn't even try lol

here you go:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46268

[Carpet Lint]

This is why I'm hating this stupid Infinite Crisis stuff.

WHY DO I NEED TO READ A FIVE THOUSAND WORD ESSAY TO UNDERSTAND A FUCKING COMIC BOOK!?!

AAAARRRRRR!!!

Oh, and I'm catching up on Losers again - I feel so stupid for stopping in the first place. I forget why I did.

[Zephyranthes]

This is why I'm hating this stupid Infinite Crisis stuff.

WHY DO I NEED TO READ A FIVE THOUSAND WORD ESSAY TO UNDERSTAND A FUCKING COMIC BOOK!?!

AAAARRRRRR!!!

Oh, and I'm catching up on Losers again - I feel so stupid for stopping in the first place. I forget why I did.


I don't really care that you don't like Origin, but it's nice to see that we can agree on something other than simply FABLES!!!!!!!!!!11111

Oh yeah, and Losers is great.

[The D Man]

So I'm guessing the next issue of IC is gonna should cover whether Power Girl's from an alternate universe or not?

[P. Gorath]

anyone read todays "Joe fridays" column over at newsarama? some interesting stuff in regard to the ramifications of house of M. Interesting question of how mutants in non x-titles will be affected (ie Runaways).

Interesting how everyone's big complaint while it was going on was that marvel promised HoM would have lasting effects, then as the whole alternate reality thing manifested everyone dismissed it as just being a new alternate reality so there would be no lasting effects and then bendis hits us with the real deal in #7.

Also, Wanda's magneto constructs means that HoM may have retconned the post-grant morrison retcon so that the real mags was indeed xorn

[The D Man]

I'm lookin foward to what's coming after HoM.

Decimation is supposed to be the aftermath of HoM with lasting effects in the Marvel U.

In my Marvel previews book I saw a lot of early art and titles for decimation. It looks it might be even better than HoM itself.

*Spoiler I guess?*

I believe as soon as HoM is over, there's gonna be something called the day after, which I guess is gonna be the first decimation title. What was tight was the cover has sentinels on it, as if since HoM is over and the "real world" is back they might revert all back to kill mutants mode.

[DA GAME]

Next issue of Superman/Batman's gonna be fuckin' sweet! Kryptonite Batman (http://www.rhio2k.com/miscmedia/KB.jpg) is in the house, Russian Superman vs Bizarro Batman (http://www.rhio2k.com/miscmedia/RSvBB.jpg), and Batman (Terry McGuinness) vs Bizarro Superman (http://www.rhio2k.com/miscmedia/TMvsBS.jpg).
DA GAME hasn't been keeping track of Superman/Batman.What issue # will have that Kryptonite Batman?

[ViciousSLASH]

DA GAME hasn't been keeping track of Superman/Batman.What issue # will have that Kryptonite Batman?

Ed McGuiness has such a neat style, everyone is so big, round and cartoony. Batman/Superman = Ed Mac.

[maxx]

i'm starting to think marvel and dc just tell eahcother what the fuck their gonna do now. alternate reality summer? wtf..dude their like ripping eachother off so blaintly and odn't care anymore.

kill mutie mode was sooo early 90-2000.

and this is why marvel sucks...they repeat like a mutherfucker...dc don't give a fuck..u got a low tier character..KILL HIM....got a mid tier character..KILL HIM! only people ssafe are superman,batman and wonderwoman...and flash!


everyone else is offable...but when was the last time u saw a main character in marvel die..jean grey don't count..she dies at least once every 10 years.

[Sheng-Long]

huh?
"kill mutie mode" has been the theme ever since X-men started, its just that the MU has been saturated with mutants that they decided to clean house.

Who cares who dies. You mean to tell me these events are only good whenever somebody dies? What happened to just having a story instead of sensationalizing death(s).

[DS]

I read the link to that article on Newarama. It does make sense when the write of that article mentioned that "its a time for heroes" and thats what Geoff Johns writes about all of the time. He writes about legacy and what it means to be a hero. So maybe thats what this whole Infinite Crisis thing is gonna be about. Basically the heroes of the DCU are finally gonna stop bitching about what happened and make things right. I really dug the article. Wasn't really all that long either.

I for one was surprised by the return of E2 Superman. And the simple fact that he was able to break down the barrier into our reality was just fucking crazy. But let us not forget about the Freedom Fighters getting their asses handed to them by the DCU villians. Deathstroke really shoved that sword deep into Phantom Lady AS SOON AS SHE WAS FADING!!! Damn that was great.

Anyway....Jim Lee had a signing today at Midtown Comics. So I got my Batman #608 signed and the base in which my Hush Batman stands on signed as well. Heres a pic of me and Jim:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/DrMicroScopic/JimLee.jpg

[ReggieHadoken]

It's almost like there's no point to killing someone in comic books anymore. Why because later on they always get brought back. No one needs to shed any tears in the comics because some writer will always find a way to bring them back. Ugh. It really is getting annoying. "Oh snap!! They killed sucg-n-such!! How could they do that?! He was top tier!!" "Nah, man, don't worry. They're bringing him back." "Oh sweet." All the friggin' time. Seriusly, they should let us see what would happen if some of these comic characters would stay dead. They've kinda killed off the shock value of offing someone.

[KungfuJoe]

hal went nuts because he was the guardians's slave and his city was wiped out and they wouldnt let him do anything about it - what more is there to explain?
The only problem that I have with that is that Hal has seen worlds die, his ex girlfriend Carol Ferris become his enemy, and later killed john stewarts girl. How come he didn't go nuts then. Green lantern rebirth gave a better answer IMO.



Also, zero hour never really made sense in my book - there wasnt a single argument by a single hero that made sense in regard to why what parralax was doing was wrong.

I agree Zero hour screwed things up real badly for hawkman and Hawkwoman.

KFJ

[KungfuJoe]

No, he's not. Earth-2 Superman is not Pre-crisis Superman. Well, he is, but he isn't. he existed pre-crisis but he's not the overpowered Superman that everyone refers to as pre-crisis. The one you're thinking of is Superman Prime (from Earth Prime prior to the crisis).

yes that is corect that he is not god tier superman E1 superman pre-crisis (earth prime superman never existed only superboy) that one went away when alan moore wrote the now classic whatever happen to the man of tommorow story. Which then gave John Byrne the ability to rewrite superman origin.

lets get the Earth straight

Earth 1 is where all of the silverage characters are from (this is pre crisis mind you)
earth 2 is where all ot the goldenage characters are from
earth 3 only had one hero and that was lex luthor the villians where the crime sindicate. later when all of the earth were about to get destroyed lex pulled a superman sending his child alex to earth 1 to be save.
Earth prime only had one hero and that is Superboy also to note earth prime was real earth meaning the earth that you and all of the rest of the people exist in.
earth s shazam or Captain Marvel earth(dc aquired fawcett and created it on earth for it.)
earth x freedom fighter(quality comics)
earth 4 blue beetle and Question (charlton comics)

KFJ

[Bowling Pin]

Is Superman Prime/S.T. Superman the same as Golden Age E2 Superman, in the future after living in the sun for a million years? (At least, before Crisis ate that future up).

Also, I never read Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, so what did happen to E1 Supes?

[Pained Auron]

can anyone explain who black adam is? all i know is that he has some of shazam's power. does anyone else know more?

[Geese Pants]

Man.........can soemone explain what is happening in this Batman/Superman arc?
I'm just so fuckin lost.........

[ViciousSLASH]

can anyone explain who black adam is? all i know is that he has some of shazam's power. does anyone else know more?

He's a bad Captain Marvel. Thats it.

[box]

can anyone explain who black adam is? all i know is that he has some of shazam's power. does anyone else know more?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Adam

[Pained Auron]

thanks guys. i need to find the issues where he fights spectre. black adam is cool

[Rhio2k]

can anyone explain who black adam is? all i know is that he has some of shazam's power. does anyone else know more?

In another dimension, there's a team of superheroes called the Maximum's. Superman and Batman attacked them and Supes blew out Skyscraper's brainpan (and most of the back of his head) with his heat vision, claiming he killed Lois, and this was a vengeance attack. Batman broke the arm of the Maximum called Soldier, who is their leader. All this went down in a parallel dimension. In our dimension, the Maximums don't exist, and Clark had pancakes with Lois just that morning.
The Maximums, after somehow aquiring a boom tube, come to our dimension and attack Batman as he is stopping Atomic Skull from stealing a case from Wayne Biotech containing the kryptonic energy that was drained from Captain Atom (he was Kryptonite Atom because he piloted Hiro's Bat/Supes mech into the asteroid containg Supergirl, and absorbed the kryptonite energy, which seems to actually HATE Superman, and causes anyone who is infected by it, currently Batman to become kryptonite powered and attack Supes.) until Toyman (Hiro) drained the kryptonite energy off of him, and contained it in a case, which Batman took and since kept at Wayne Biotech.) The Maximums arrived, Soldier killed Atomic Skull, and took Batman and Supes captive as Supes was preventing Atomic Skulls energy from wasting everyone in the surrounding area. And that leads us up to the current issue.

[Geese Pants]

In another dimension, there's a team of superheroes called the Maximum's. Superman and Batman attacked them and Supes blew out Skyscraper's brainpan (and most of the back of his head) with his heat vision, claiming he killed Lois, and this was a vengeance attack. Batman broke the arm of the Maximum called Soldier, who is their leader. All this went down in a parallel dimension. In our dimension, the Maximums don't exist, and Clark had pancakes with Lois just that morning.
The Maximums, after somehow aquiring a boom tube, come to our dimension and attack Batman as he is stopping Atomic Skull from stealing a case from Wayne Biotech containing the kryptonic energy that was drained from Captain Atom (he was Kryptonite Atom because he piloted Hiro's Bat/Supes mech into the asteroid containg Supergirl, and absorbed the kryptonite energy, which seems to actually HATE Superman, and causes anyone who is infected by it, currently Batman to become kryptonite powered and attack Supes.) until Toyman (Hiro) drained the kryptonite energy off of him, and contained it in a case, which Batman took and since kept at Wayne Biotech.) The Maximums arrived, Soldier killed Atomic Skull, and took Batman and Supes captive as Supes was preventing Atomic Skulls energy from wasting everyone in the surrounding area. And that leads us up to the current issue.

I see.........................SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!





















In the latest issue, how does Lex fit into all this? Or..............is he an alternate Lex?

Think I'm gettign tired of all these alternate univereses sheeeet.

[Rhio2k]

I see.........................SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!





















In the latest issue, how does Lex fit into all this? Or..............is he an alternate Lex?

Think I'm gettign tired of all these alternate univereses sheeeet.

He's regular Lex, who was believed to be killed in the Manhunt arc in the first issues of Superman/Batman. Now he's got some more tricked-out toys from Apokolypse.

[maxx]

batman and superman is only good when ed mcguinness is drawing it..when hes not i don't care about the series one bit.

[Rhio2k]

batman and superman is only good when ed mcguinness is drawing it..when hes not i don't care about the series one bit.


Quoted for ultimate truth. I LOVE the way he does muscles.

[Geese Pants]

batman and superman is only good when ed mcguinness is drawing it..when hes not i don't care about the series one bit.

I did like Pacheo's work on it.................but McGuinness is my favorite Superman artist.

[maxx]

Quoted for ultimate truth. I LOVE the way he does muscles.

ya that didn't sound gay lol j/k.:looney:

[Rhio2k]

ya that didn't sound gay lol j/k.:looney:


Hmmm...how about "I like his take on musculature"? His buff characters somehow seem dbz-ish. I like that.

[Pained Auron]

turner's arc was my favorite on superman/batman. slow day tomorrow. all ima pick up is gl recharge. nothing else i really want

[The Bucket Of Truth]

Why is Uncle Sam still in a comic book? Who knows?lol

apart from ghost rider what else is worth picking up atm? i just dropped Superman/Batman, Ultimate Fantastic Four, Street Fighter and The New Avengers (BENDIS!!![/Jerry Seinfeld])

reading a bendis team book is like drinking your own piss, only the after taste is worse

[maxx]

lol

apart from ghost rider what else is worth picking up atm? i just dropped Superman/Batman, Ultimate Fantastic Four, Street Fighter and The New Avengers (BENDIS!!![/Jerry Seinfeld])

reading a bendis team book is like drinking your own piss, only the after taste is worse

infinite crisis

i picked up the superman birthright comic..that art is awesome

i ordered sharknife last night...supposed to be good. indy stuff

i really wanna get amazing joy buzzards..its like scooby doo on crack i saw some really nice art from one of my fave artists doing a short story for it.

http://www.artxilla.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=9943&st=0&#entry72749

[FreddyL0c0]

wow, I was skeptical of new avengers at first, but it is a fun comic book, but anywho, to each their own...I don't Bendis will ever recapture the magic of Powers though.

I bought Justice 2, Punisher 25, and the return of everybody's favorite green chick, She-Hulk. comments might contain spoilers.

Punisher was alright, I guess i can see the appeal in the series, didnt find it that thrilling of an issue, maybe i should check out old tpb???

Justice was great, no need to comment on the art, the storyline gets way more intriguing than the first issue. Red tornado is wack. sole negative point of the comic, but it stems from personal hatred for the character.

She-Hulk......it was ok i guess, i dunno, i feel the break from the "the end" issue wasnt a good idea. The series was seriously on a role, especially with the titania arc. This issue is alright, but I hated one thing, and heres comes the SPOILERS:



















If this truly is their plan to bring back Clint, then the series is already failing in my eyes. I already hate time traveling arcs, if this becomes the solution, then it will cause infinite problems esppecially pertaining to the formation of the new and young avenger, HoM etc.

I love the sexy cover, but thats a given with this title.

[Carpet Lint]

reading a bendis team book is like drinking your own piss, only the after taste is worse
LOL, so much hate. Even stronger than mine.

Honestly, the only new book I can recommend right now is Ghost Rider. Garth Ennis is good enough of a writer that I can assume it'll at least be okay. I think the book really fits him too. And we all know the art's okay - assuming they don't switch to some other guy after the first arc like what happens on a lot of books. It makes me wonder how well Crain can crank out the pages on a monthly basis though. I mean you look at other artists...
- Bryan Hitch on Ultimates needs months between every twelve issues, and it's still late by months
- John Cassaday needs two months between each Planetary and needed a year's break for the next Astonishing X-Men
- Alex Ross does stuff...like never.
- That Gabrielle dude painted Secret War QUARTERLY (that sucked, by the way)

His art is too good. It scares me.

But aside from Ghost Rider...I don't know what I would recommend these days.

- Fables, of course. But I assume you're not a *** and you already pick this up.

- If you get rich, I would pick up all the 100 Bullets trades before I would pick up some hookers. It's excellent. Maybe do it at the same time - even hookers need comic books I guess.

- I'd usually say Flash, but Geoff Johns is gone now and I don't know how good it'll be without him. Check back in a couple of months - I'll let you know how sweet this book is. Though it would make for a good jumping on point, with a new story.

- I think Batman's good again. I like this team, and there's a new story with the Red Hood, so it's a good time to jump on.

- I have a good feeling about the Green Lanturn: Recharged mini. Issue #2 (of 6) just came out yesterday. The Green Lanturn monthly is okay - I wouldn't recommend it yet though.

...I don't know. Nothing that new and exciting out right now, especially for you.

And don't touch Batman & Robin All Stars. Man that book...it's terrible. I don't understand how Jim Lee + Frank Miller + Batman can possibly fail...but it's failing.





Oh, and what the hell happened to vaersting, man? Last I remember he made a thread about how he was going to visit New York and how he hoped he wasn't going to get mugged. ...and then no one hears from him again.

[The Bucket Of Truth]

- Fables, of course. But I assume you're not a *** and you already pick this up.

- If you get rich, I would pick up all the 100 Bullets trades before I would pick up some hookers. It's excellent. Maybe do it at the same time - even hookers need comic books I guess.

- I'd usually say Flash, but Geoff Johns is gone now and I don't know how good it'll be without him. Check back in a couple of months - I'll let you know how sweet this book is. Though it would make for a good jumping on point, with a new story.

- I think Batman's good again. I like this team, and there's a new story with the Red Hood, so it's a good time to jump on.

- I have a good feeling about the Green Lanturn: Recharged mini. Issue #2 (of 6) just came out yesterday. The Green Lanturn monthly is okay - I wouldn't recommend it yet though.

...I don't know. Nothing that new and exciting out right now, especially for you.

And don't touch Batman & Robin All Stars. Man that book...it's terrible. I don't understand how Jim Lee + Frank Miller + Batman can possibly fail...but it's failing.i still pick up Fables, Infinite Crisis, Hawkman, Flash, Batman, GL Rebirth and i have been picking up All Stars Batman and Robin. and i agree that it stinks

i'll add Ghost Rider to my order and pick up the first 100 bullets trade when i have the cash. thanks
Oh, and what the hell happened to vaersting, man? Last I remember he made a thread about how he was going to visit New York and how he hoped he wasn't going to get mugged. ...and then no one hears from him again.it is a true mystery...

[maxx]

they need to pump out flash tradebacks faster..u can get a superman or batman tradeback everyother fucking week..u fgotta wait half a year for one flash tradeback. jesus i gotta wait till janurary for rogues war.

[Adam Warlock]

Is Superman Prime/S.T. Superman the same as Golden Age E2 Superman, in the future after living in the sun for a million years? (At least, before Crisis ate that future up).

Nope

can anyone explain who black adam is? all i know is that he has some of shazam's power. does anyone else know more?
He was the first Captain Marvel IIRC

[box]

PIcked up Justice #2 and Spider-man The Other part 2.

Justice #2 is good. As mentioned before this book comes out every other month so I still got another year and 8 months to go before this concludes. Although it isn't 100% Alex Ross (he's painting over Brathwaite's pencils), it is definitely close enough.

Pat Lee drew part 2 of the other: evolve or die. He should stick to transformers. The best panel he drew was the one with the Taxi. He's good at machines but really bad at humans. Maybe he just needs some more experience. He has to work on his storytelling as well.

I think Secret war #5 was supposed to be released this month, but it got pushed back to December. :tdown: The last issue for Secret War came out when? February? WTF

Next week it's The other part 3, New Avengers, Young Avengers. I didn't enjoy the first arc of Young Avengers as I hate time travel and Kang, but the 2nd arc is shaping up to be pretty good. Jim Cheung isn't the artist, but the replacement is still just as good IMO. I don't know who he is, but he's pretty good at storytelling.

[Wellman]

Marvel's New Secret Wars was a crappy concept anyway, apparently either no thought went into it other than the original concept or once they decided on making Avengers: Diss and HoM the main events for the last two years they scrapped any plans of it having any long term meaning. I can honestly say HoM is a much better product than 'New' Secret Wars turned out, even Kevin Smith's Spiderman/Blackcat series is more enjoyable.

[Æther]

I just feel weird that Runaways seems to be the only thing that's interesting to me these days (regardless of the last arc with the crummy artist)... The only thing besides that would be the House of M series. The only problem now is having to get the sold out copies from somewhere else...

[P. Gorath]

lapham's daredevil vs punisher was solicited for trade in january. woo!
now they better bring out trades of his detective comics arc and of Matt Wagner's two batman arcs that he's currently in the middle of

speaking of punisher, im still curious as to why streets of laredo and confederacy of dunces werent collected in hardcover. At least the MAX hardcovers have been good.

[Sheng-Long]

Anybody read She-Hulk v2? (she's back!!!). The part about Trades is hillarious.

[The Bucket Of Truth]

Ghost Rider was sold out =[

[ShinkuuR]

I can honestly say HoM is a much better product than 'New' Secret Wars turned out, even Kevin Smith's Spiderman/Blackcat series is more enjoyable.

Speaking of which, did Smith ever finish/restarted working on the series? I was reading is several years back but I don't know if it continued or not.


Anyway I need some help guys. I finally started a comic book collection eariler this year(mainly Batman Fam/Ultimate Spiderman GNs), and I got all of the current Nightwing trades...except the second one(Rough Justice). And at the DC website it seems to be out of print. Do any of you have any leads to where I can order it?(outside of Ebay cause I'm bad with that) Already tried Amazon/Barnes & Noble/ Waldenbooks/etc. Thanks.

[VPT]

Does anybody know if there is a graphic novel(s) depicting the clone series of Spiderman? The one with Scarlet Spider.

[Nemesis00]

It'd be alot of books, since that was a long ass story. My bet is they'll do an Essential book for the Clone Saga.

[P. Gorath]

read a bunch of stuff i have been meaning to delve into for a long time. This was my first exposure to all of these. Brief summary:

Animal Man - read the first 6 or so morrison issues. thought it was great. The Coyote Gospel...wtf

100 Bullets - read the first story arc (3 issues?), was not impressed. does it get better? Stray bullets mops the floor with this so far

Transmetropolitan - read the first story arc. thought it was really good. Didnt think I would like it at first but satirical, jaded journalist is very timely right now i think.

Planetary - read the first two issues. pretty weird stuff, a little undecided on whether i like it or not. Probably worth a deeper read

Preacher - read the first 3 or 4 issues. So much hype over the years, obviously there is somewhat of a letdown. Am liking it ok so far but nothing has blown me away yet.

[DS]

Right now the artwork for the current TF series from IDW sucks major ass. That book needs Pat Lee badly right now. But I heard no one wants to hire Pat and the Dreamwave crew for some reason.

As for Ghost Rider....that is the best book I'm reading thus far. Crazy storyline and cleverly written. Green Lantern Corps: Recharge is getting good. I liked the back and forth between the Thanagarian and the Rannian. I'm really digging the artwork in Ultimate Fantastic Four. Its very fluid and lifelike. I say keep Greg Land on the book until forever.

What is up with this Spiderman: Evolve or Die ordeal? What is it all leading to exactly? Will Peter really evolve into something else? Although I have yet to read part 2 as of this typing. I want to know whats the point of this entire arc.

Infinite Crisis #1: My God!!! What the fuck!? Everything is just going shit-crazy. The Freedom Fighters have been destroyed(minus the Ray). The Human Bomb got clobbered pretty damn well by Bizarro. Can't wait for the next issue.

The latest issue of the Flash was pretty lame. They need a good writer all over that and quick. Geoff Johns stuff is too good. Who else can follow up on that book? I was think maybe Ed Brubaker or Darwyn Cooke?

[Nemesis00]

For the Spidey question, when Strazynski first started his run, brought up the point that Peter didn't get his powers from a radioactive spider, but that the spider gave Peter powers before it could die. That Peter's power was totemistic, and mystical in nature. It also introduced a new villian, named Morlun, who has survived for ages by feeding on those who possess qualities like Peter.

Morlun is apparantly the strongest person Spidey has ever faced, with punches as strong as Hulk's. the only way Spidey won, was by injecting himself with a highlevel of radiation, which transferred to Morlun when he tried to feed of Peter. This resulted in Morlun's death.

Now, we're at The Other, where it seems Morlun is back, and that the radiotion Peter absorbed is taking it's toll.

[VPT]

For the Spidey question, when Strazynski first started his run, brought up the point that Peter didn't get his powers from a radioactive spider, but that the spider gave Peter powers before it could die. That Peter's power was totemistic, and mystical in nature. It also introduced a new villian, named Morlun, who has survived for ages by feeding on those who possess qualities like Peter.

Morlun is apparantly the strongest person Spidey has ever faced, with punches as strong as Hulk's. the only way Spidey won, was by injecting himself with a highlevel of radiation, which transferred to Morlun when he tried to feed of Peter. This resulted in Morlun's death.

Now, we're at The Other, where it seems Morlun is back, and that the radiotion Peter absorbed is taking it's toll.Wait I think that I might have confused you. Didn't J. Michael Strazynski write Amazing Spiderman in the early 2000's? With that guy in the black clothes and white hair? I was referring to something from the mid-90's with Ben Reily and the Scarlet Spider. I'm confused as to what you are referring to.

[maxx]

It'd be alot of books, since that was a long ass story. My bet is they'll do an Essential book for the Clone Saga.

no no that saga was horrible its a black era in marvel they wanna forget as much as possible.

[box]

Right now the artwork for the current TF series from IDW sucks major ass. That book needs Pat Lee badly right now. But I heard no one wants to hire Pat and the Dreamwave crew for some reason.

Pat Lee is currently drawing for Marvel Knights: Spider-Man on their Evolve or Die crossover event. He should stick to the robots/mechanics because his humans suck. Also he's gotta develop his storytelling skills.

[Rage02fire]

I checked out warriors storyline in Ultimate spider-man today. I'm amazed, shit was doped, hella DOPE great plot so far, next month is gonna be the conclusion on it, PLACE your bets folks I got mines on Elektra.=D

[m121akuma]

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102039

Enjoy.

Oh, and we need a Deadpool movie stat...that is all.

[Zephyranthes]

read a bunch of stuff i have been meaning to delve into for a long time. This was my first exposure to all of these. Brief summary:

100 Bullets - read the first story arc (3 issues?), was not impressed. does it get better? Stray bullets mops the floor with this so far



Planetary - read the first two issues. pretty weird stuff, a little undecided on whether i like it or not. Probably worth a deeper read

Preacher - read the first 3 or 4 issues. So much hype over the years, obviously there is somewhat of a letdown. Am liking it ok so far but nothing has blown me away yet.

If you didn't like the first few issues of 100 Bullets, I recommend you at least try the third trade paperback, which is titled "Hang Up On The Hang Low." That's by far my favorite 100 Bullets story. The thing with 100 Bullets, that is a little similar to Stray Bullets, is that the different story arcs often follow around different characters and plots, but somehow there's an overarching story. Hang Up On The Hang Low is probably the most straightforward of all the stories, but I think it's also the most emotionally resonant. It's about a hoodlum's relationship with his father, who was also a hoodlum. I guess if you don't like that, then you probably won't care about the rest of it.

I think Planetary is one of Ellis' best things. I have yet to read Transmet to any strong degree (I've only read one of those one-shots with the multiple artist), though. I actually like Planetary more than his work on Authority. Desolation Jones has been top tier, and I haven't tried Jack Cross or that other new book he has (the one that has a cover price of only 1.99). But anyway, Planetary's issues are pretty episodic. Most of them are commentary on various media or types of storytelling; there's different Ellis-ized takes on Silver Age comics, Vertigo comics, old monster movies, and all sorts of invigorating weird crap. But I guess Planetary is still one of those comics where if you don't like it after, say five or six issues, you probably won't care to read the rest of it. (Although do check out the Planetary/Batman crossover, if only for the supreme Cassaday artwork- he does his own take on all the different eras of Batman, and it's very, very nice!)

And Preacher, man, you gotta keep reading that. It's like Sandman in the sense that it starts out slowly, but once you get into it, you just keep reading. I got all the trades over this past summer (found 'em way cheap on eBay) and I read them all in a matter of days. The first volume of Sandman is vaguely interesting, but obviously that got way better as time went on. Same with Preacher. It doesn't get all trippy and far out there like Sandman, so you can't accuse Preacher of ever being "pretentious" in the least, but it's probably one of the most visceral of all the Vertigo books ever published. Plus it's got conistently great artwork and it's full of cheap laughs. The tone is Ennis' trademark, but no one does it quite like him. I say you force yourself to continue reading the rest of it until you love it like the rest of us love it. C'mon, it's only around 80 issues long...

[Nemesis00]

Wait I think that I might have confused you. Didn't J. Michael Strazynski write Amazing Spiderman in the early 2000's? With that guy in the black clothes and white hair? I was referring to something from the mid-90's with Ben Reily and the Scarlet Spider. I'm confused as to what you are referring to.
Sorry, I was quoting Deathscythe.

[P. Gorath]

And Preacher, man, you gotta keep reading that. It's like Sandman in the sense that it starts out slowly, but once you get into it, you just keep reading. I got all the trades over this past summer (found 'em way cheap on eBay) and I read them all in a matter of days. The first volume of Sandman is vaguely interesting, but obviously that got way better as time went on. Same with Preacher. It doesn't get all trippy and far out there like Sandman, so you can't accuse Preacher of ever being "pretentious" in the least, but it's probably one of the most visceral of all the Vertigo books ever published. Plus it's got conistently great artwork and it's full of cheap laughs. The tone is Ennis' trademark, but no one does it quite like him. I say you force yourself to continue reading the rest of it until you love it like the rest of us love it. C'mon, it's only around 80 issues long...
Yeah I will keep reading it. I love Ennis's Punisher stuff and I'm at a good point in my life spiritually in terms of being responsive to something like Preacher.

I'm kind of annoyed that Vertigo has some hangup about bringing out their trades in Hardcover.

[Zephyranthes]

Attaboy. That's what I like to hear.

[Carpet Lint]

Everytime I want to contribute on Vertigo books, Zephy always beats me to it and makes my posts redundant.

Preacher is definately excellent, and easily one of the best stories that comicdom has produced. My buddy is completely obssessed with Preacher - shit changed his life. ... That's kinda weird, yeah.

I remember Psycho said before that you couldn't really get into 100 Bullets. The first trade is a bit slow yeah, and I think this is one of those books you have to read a lot of issues before you can fully appriciate it. I think each of the separate story arcs are fantastic standalones on their own, but when you got the whole grand underlying story behind everything, it makes every panel sweeter. Like when you're able to pick up characters, themes, and moments in one story from another...it just makes the whole 100 Bullets universe seem that much more coherent and well written. Regardless, I still think 100 Bullets is one of the best MADE comic books out right now. The art, dialouge, pacing - everything - just top notch storytelling.

Makes me wonder what the holy hell happened with Azzarello and Superman. Guess it just doesn't work that well without Risso. ...though that was a pretty wacky story to begin with.

Planetary is very episodic. Moreso than 100 Bullets, but there still is that common thread behind each story. I love each issue as a separate episode - they're really well done. And the art is just ridiculous. You could rip random pages out and pin them up as posters. The book is slow though. Purposely, and because now it comes out like once every two months, and you forget what happened in the last issue because it's been so long. It's a completely different book from The Authority, but I still love this one more. Maybe because The Authority kind of went to hell once he left.

I guess I should get around to reading Stray Bullets sometime. Still so many things I should check out. Picked up Losers again...next is Lucifer, I guess. There's some crazy Prep Time Batman fun in that one. Strange book though.


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She-Hulk is excellent. I'm glad it's back. A little disappointed that they're not going to go with the IMPOSTER angle for Hawkeye's return...but I don't even know if they're going to bring him back at all. Why make such a big move in an issue of She-Hulk? Relative to Avengers/House of M/New Avengers, no one reads this book. Though they did bring back Magneto in Excalibur, so...I don't know.

I love She-Hulk and the new Defenders mini. Old school funny. Just plain entertaining without the standard superhero stuff. It's a nice change of pace.

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I just realized that I forgot to pick up my issue of Batgirl last week. Tomorrow's Wednesday right? Awesome.

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And I just read the big Dissambled/Chaos Avengers story for the first time.

Hawkeye's death HAS TO BE the stupidest comic book death of all time.

His arrows got set on fire? So he continuted to run around for five minutes, hijacked someone's jet pack, flew up into the ship, and then exploded?

He couldn't just take it off? Was he under the Scarlet Witch's spell of stupidity?

And what happened to the ship force fields, by the way? The ones that Bendis make absolutely clear at the beginning by devoting an entire splash page to Nick Fury yelling "FORCE FIELDS!!!"

What a retarded comic.

[box]

Yeah. Avengers disassembled was pretty retarded.

Picked up New Avengers, Young Avengers and Amazing Spider-Man this week. Pretty good reads.

New Avengers was a lot better than the previous issue. This one was all out action. Ronin's identity still hasn't been revealed yet and the Spider-Woman conspiracy back from the 1st arc is back again. Cage in the elevator was quite funny. Good issue.

Amazing Spider-Man was okay. Although the way they ended the Tracer arc was kinda dumb. No big revelations.

Young Avengers was good. Patriot's origin is revealed. Half action, half talk. Good issue.

[Sano]

Yeah. Avengers disassembled was pretty retarded.

Picked up New Avengers, Young Avengers and Amazing Spider-Man this week. Pretty good reads.

New Avengers was a lot better than the previous issue. This one was all out action. Ronin's identity still hasn't been revealed yet and the Spider-Woman conspiracy back from the 1st arc is back again. Cage in the elevator was quite funny. Good issue.

Amazing Spider-Man was okay. Although the way they ended the Tracer arc was kinda dumb. No big revelations.

Young Avengers was good. Patriot's origin is revealed. Half action, half talk. Good issue.

Got all three and Wolverine. Haven't had a chance to read them all yet.

EDIT: All pretty good reads, even Wolverine was interesting for a change.

[Zephyranthes]

And I just read the big Dissambled/Chaos Avengers story for the first time.

Hawkeye's death HAS TO BE the stupidest comic book death of all time.

His arrows got set on fire? So he continuted to run around for five minutes, hijacked someone's jet pack, flew up into the ship, and then exploded?

He couldn't just take it off? Was he under the Scarlet Witch's spell of stupidity?

And what happened to the ship force fields, by the way? The ones that Bendis make absolutely clear at the beginning by devoting an entire splash page to Nick Fury yelling "FORCE FIELDS!!!"

What a retarded comic.

Dude, it was Chaos Magic. You have to read carefully and analyze between the lines. Chances are, if something seems to make little or no sense in a Bendis comic, it's due to one of two things: 1) Chaos Magic (explains everything, the ultimate deus ex machina plot device) or 2) someone had a nervous breakdown.

Unlike most people, I still got nothing but love for Bendis, and recently I just kinda realized that he really enjoys using nervous breakdowns in his stories. Tally 'em up. Matt Murdock had one in Daredevil. Walker had one back in Powers. Scarlet Witch had a nervous breakdown, which caused Disassembled. Ultimate Spider-Man, depending on how you look at it, has either had a few small breakdowns or constantly comes close to having one. The entire run of Alias could be seen as one gigantic Jessica Jones breakdown. Hawkeye in House of M had a nervous breakdown when he heard that he was actually dead. Back in Powers again, Deena's having a nervous breakdown. The person who pushed Scarlet Witch into creating the House of M had a nervous breakdown, too. From what I've pieced together about Secret War, I'm guessing Nick Fury will have a nervous breakdown whenever the final issue is completed.

I might be missing a few more Bendis Nervous Breakdowns (BNB for short), but that's what I could think of so far. I don't know if I can definitively say that any of the characters in Jinx, Goldfish, Torso, or Fire had any BNBs. (Although many of them were already pretty messed up in the head to begin with.) Fortune And Glory had a bunch of autobiographical/semi-autobiographical stuff, but it didn't seem like Bendis himself had any BNBs. Although with his huge fixation on this facet of humanity, you never know. His whole career might be one giant BNB.


P.S. Clinty- What is that as your avatar? It looks like a smiley faced guy humping a filing cabinet.

[Carpet Lint]

Dude, Dr. Strange said there's no such thing as Chaos Magic! Like, DUH. Dammit Zephy, COME ON. Try to keep up, please.

Claremont has his IMPOSTERS, I guess Bendis can have his BNB's.

I also read the first arc of Alias recently...and I don't know. Like, I really loved Powers for a while, and then I just kind of got bored with it. Maybe it's because I have the intellect of a third grader, but it's just tedious to struggle through all that talk. It hurts Alias more than Powers though, because I don't think the idea's that strong to begin with anyway.

I'm liking New Avengers though. I think there's a nice blend of dialouge and plot there - seems Bendis is working at top notch for both. The end of that Sentry arc was kinda...not all that great though. So he's the Void? ...oh, okay. Let's all go home then. I'm liking the Ronin arc though - all the arcs start so strong. Feels like Mark Millar's writing the plot.

And that's actually the Walmart rollback smiley guy. He's rolls back prices, seen here rolling back prices with a chainsaw. You were close though. Look at him whistle while he does it. I've kind of completely forgotten why it's my avatar though. I seem to recall that it was really funny at the time.

...I guess not so much anymore. I'll have to change it soon, I'm kind of in-between-avatars right now. It's a weird time for me.

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- Anyone check out Azzarello's new Loveless? It looks good, and I haven't read a nice western for a while. Plus, it's Vertigo!

- Leinil Yu's Silent Dragon looks so damn awesome, but I don't understand what the hell's going on. Doesn't matter though since it looks so damn awesome.

- I give this new Spidey crossover one big MEH. Maybe I'm just bummed out from all the Batman crossovers.

- Wow, Flash was so surprisingly unimpressive. That last panel was just a big "What the hell? This is stupid." I've loved this book for so long - I can't lose it now!

[Zephyranthes]

Hmm. That is indeed a good point. If Doc Strange said Chaos Magic doesn't exist, I don't know what to believe... Except that perhaps our good doctor had himself a BNB.

And dude, if I stood up for Preacher, I gotta stand up for Alias and Powers, too. Especially Alias.

I strongly feel that Alias is one of the best things Marvel has ever, ever published. The entire run was so perfect. The art, the pacing, the writing, everything was on the mark. I make no secret of how much I enjoy Bendis' work, but I think this just may be my favorite stuff from him.

And whaddaya mean you don't think the idea's too strong? I always respect your thoughts on comics (even when you bash Origin) and I'm just curious because I think I always assumed Alias would be something you'd like, seeing as you're a Vertigo fan. Alias has everything- snappy dialogue, great moments of tension, dramatic build-ups, and quiet, reflective moments. And art by Michael Gaydos, David Mack, and Mark Bagley. It's even got superhero stuff without being cheap about it. Alias is probably the closest Marvel has ever come to publishing a Vertigo-esque book.

[ViciousSLASH]

the fact that Bendis keeps on jocking a 3rd tier character like Scarlett Witch for plots involving marvels most powerful characters is retarded

She's scarlett witch, not the beyonder. NOT THE FUCKING BEYONDER. She can make pipes fall apart,or a guy maybe slip on water.

She's like Longshot, but her shit isn't always on like his. She has to use it. But she doesn't have fucking magic arcane powers. She's a fucking mutant.

Marvel needs to get off Bendis' jock. He is awesome at what he does best, that crime shit like Daredevil. And Teen Drama with Ultimate Spidey. But keep him away from the super heroes.

Both the companies need to fix their shit. With DC it's always Superman/Batman and with Marvel it's always mutants. I miss the days when the Hulk would just show up, everyone would be like oh shit, it's the hulk, and they would get their asses kicked.

Luckily the Ultimates is still the shit. Millar and Hitch = best comic ever. Captain America is the fucking man. He got darted and still kicked ass.

[Sheng-Long]

I haven't been entertained by any western since I read Marvel's gay Rawhide Kid (lol) and that wasn't that good but it wasn't a serious comic anyway.

But I <3 Azarello and Frusin on Loveless <3 Western style noir.



I strongly feel that Alias is one of the best things Marvel has ever, ever published. The entire run was so perfect. The art, the pacing, the writing, everything was on the mark....

....Alias has everything- snappy dialogue, great moments of tension, dramatic build-ups, and quiet, reflective moments. And art by Michael Gaydos, David Mack, and Mark Bagley. It's even got superhero stuff without being cheap about it. Alias is probably the closest Marvel has ever come to publishing a Vertigo-esque book.


co-sign, Alias got me back reading Marvel superheroes.

RE: Vertigo-esque.
hehe yep, Alias and Ex-Statix !!!



Luckily the Ultimates is still the shit. Millar and Hitch = best comic ever. Captain America is the fucking man. He got darted and still kicked ass.

...unfortunately it won't be long until Loeb and JoeMad take over (*shudder*)

[ViciousSLASH]

hehe yep, Alias and Ex-Statix !!!



...unfortunately it won't be long until Loeb and JoeMad take over (*shudder*)

*shudder*

But Ex-Statix was one of the best comics out there too. The art and writing were top notch. Plus everyone was always dying.

That was like 2 years ago when comics were the shit. You had X-Statix, Flash at it's prime, Fantastic Four with Mark Waid and Wingo (amazing run), Ultimates (and it was coming out on time), Batman/Superman, sigh, those were good times.

[box]

Scarlet Witch's powers initially were simple little things like altering probability and odds and stuff like that, so everyone thought it was merely "Chaos Magic". However, according to Dr.Strange, Chaos Magic doesn't exist and the Witch was not altering probability but rather reality itself. And each time she used her powers to alter reality, she lost a little bit of her grasp on reality.

Dr. Strange is the authority on all things magic in the Marvel Universe, and if he says there's no such thing as Chaos Magic, there's 99% chance that he's right. I doubt he suffered from a breakdown.

Did anyone read the Avengers finale? It was a one-shot epilogue after Avengers Disassembled. It's quite funny to see Bendis backpedal his way out of a mistake made in Disassembled. It turns out that Quicksilver wasn't supposed to be in Avengers Disassembled fighting against the Scarlet Witch. According to the REAL Quicksilver, the Quicksilver that appeared in Disassembled was created by his sister which makes absolutely no sense at all. It was torture trying to read Quicksilver's explanation cause it was all BS.

[Carpet Lint]

A bendis nervous breakdown? I don't think so.
Oh come on, everyone had a BNB. You're having one right now.

I liked how in New Avengers, Bendis kept trying to justify the Hand ninja fight against a team with Iron Man in it. The last issue's cliffhanger just wasn't all that cliffhangy, since I can see Iron Man in that group and I'm thinking Iron Man vs. some ninjas...pretty sure I know the outcome of that one.

But then he had to fly Jarvis out, and by the time he got back the group was scattered all over, making a broad range photon cannon impossible = good thinking Bendis!

And then a ninja stabbed him in the back with a SWORD. That was kind of stupid. We could have done without that. Fun stuff though, I liked the Luke Cage bit.

You know what? I will read more of Alias. I guess it was just me. I just didn't get a great feel for the first bit, and maybe I was just talking out my ass. The Vertigo comparisons have convinced me to admit the possibility that I may have really messed up.

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...unfortunately it won't be long until Loeb and JoeMad take over (*shudder*)
But it's going to sell like X-Men #1 in 1992 all over again! You'll be seeing dozens of copies of this baby in bargain bins in five years.

I would have argued that Joe Mad's awesomeness would completely negate any bad writing, but the recent Superman/Batman and anything Jim Lee's done in the past two years have already proven me wrong on that one.

[box]

Oh come on, everyone had a BNB. You're having one right now.

Possibly. But Dr. Strange so far has been BnB free.


Anyhow, Superman/Batman 27 will get a new team. Verheiden (never heard of this guy)will be writing while Van Sciver (Green Lantern Rebirth) will be handling the pencils.

[Bob the Bastard]

the fact that Bendis keeps on jocking a 3rd tier character like Scarlett Witch for plots involving marvels most powerful characters is retarded

She's scarlett witch, not the beyonder. NOT THE FUCKING BEYONDER. She can make pipes fall apart,or a guy maybe slip on water.

She's like Longshot, but her shit isn't always on like his. She has to use it. But she doesn't have fucking magic arcane powers. She's a fucking mutant.



Lol, fucking awesome...

However I do recall reading a comic where I believe Agatha Harkness explained how this shit happened.

Magneto's wife ran away from him after Anya died in the fire and Mags killed the soldiers that stopped him from saving her. Anyways she was preggers and was wandering around in the fucking snow and was taken in by The High Evolutionary and his Animal Men.

Magda helped her give birth to the twins QS and SW. Now supposedly there was a demon that had been trapped nearby in a mountain and he was able to tie himself to her in some fashion thus altering the powers she had so that it was a combination of magic and mutant powers.

If this had not happened it was explained, she would have been simply an energy wielding mutant such as Magneto.

[ViciousSLASH]

Lol, fucking awesome...

However I do recall reading a comic where I believe Agatha Harkness explained how this shit happened.

Magneto's wife ran away from him after Anya died in the fire and Mags killed the soldiers that stopped him from saving her. Anyways she was preggers and was wandering around in the fucking snow and was taken in by The High Evolutionary and his Animal Men.

Magda helped her give birth to the twins QS and SW. Now supposedly there was a demon that had been trapped nearby in a mountain and he was able to tie himself to her in some fashion thus altering the powers she had so that it was a combination of magic and mutant powers.

If this had not happened it was explained, she would have been simply an energy wielding mutant such as Magneto.

Well that is lame. Bendis needs to stop trying to be Johns.

Johns short ass avengers run > Bendis' complete RUINING of the fucking avengers.

[Adam Warlock]

the fact that Bendis keeps on jocking a 3rd tier character like Scarlett Witch for plots involving marvels most powerful characters is retarded

She's scarlett witch, not the beyonder. NOT THE FUCKING BEYONDER. She can make pipes fall apart,or a guy maybe slip on water.

Actually, she's been a world class sorcerer for quite some time.

[ViciousSLASH]

Actually, she's been a world class sorcerer for quite some time.

Which is retarded.

Once she approaches Doctor Strange levels of magic, it cheapens his character. He is the SUPREME SORCERER ! THE SUPREME. He should've just been like "WTF is this shit, bitch you best step off"

Once she starts becoming the focus of a story line and altering the entire Marvel Universe she's getting jocked way too hard. Why are characters like Juggernaut getting neutered and Thor dying, while Scarlet Witch is messing with everyone's minds.

Crossovers are so gay now. We need another secret wars.

[Muff Daddy]

We need another secret wars.

and how...

qft

[Æther]

the fact that Bendis keeps on jocking a 3rd tier character like Scarlett Witch for plots involving marvels most powerful characters is retarded

She's scarlett witch, not the beyonder. NOT THE FUCKING BEYONDER. She can make pipes fall apart,or a guy maybe slip on water.

She's like Longshot, but her shit isn't always on like his. She has to use it. But she doesn't have fucking magic arcane powers. She's a fucking mutant.

Marvel needs to get off Bendis' jock. He is awesome at what he does best, that crime shit like Daredevil. And Teen Drama with Ultimate Spidey. But keep him away from the super heroes.

Both the companies need to fix their shit. With DC it's always Superman/Batman and with Marvel it's always mutants. I miss the days when the Hulk would just show up, everyone would be like oh shit, it's the hulk, and they would get their asses kicked.

Luckily the Ultimates is still the shit. Millar and Hitch = best comic ever. Captain America is the fucking man. He got darted and still kicked ass.
Co-sign for everything and the Hulk. I haven't read many good stories from either Marvel or DC. It also doesn't help that they have these "super-duper god-tier" plots that end up with an empty ending. The only thing that seems interesting is the whole "The Other" series with Spider-Man.

[Adam Warlock]

and how...

qft

What they need is more infinity shit. Adam Warlock is too dope to not do shit.

[box]

Marvel's already begun planning on the big crossover for 2006. Bendis is not going to be writing it. He will be writing a couple of lead ins though (New avengers one shot: The illuminati, New Avengers Annual #1).

They're saying it's gonna be the biggest crossover ever... but then again, that's what every company says about their crossover for the next year.

[The D Man]

Adam Warlock is too dope to not do shit.

Yup.

Need more "Him".

[Zephyranthes]

I
RE: Vertigo-esque.
hehe yep, Alias and Ex-Statix !!!



Dude, you are right, X-Statix is one of the best books ever, and definitely the greatest X-Book. Isn't there a new miniseries coming out? Something about Dead Girl or something? Any word on when it's coming out?

RE: Adam Warlock- I think he had a brief four issue series (got cancelled way fast) about a year ago or so. Never read any of it, but it had Charlie Adlard art, which is always good. Plus, it got cancelled, so it couldn't have sucked THAT much.

[Sano]

Yeah, there is supposed to be a new X-Statix comic coming out. I hope they keep every character from the old team dead and start a new. Oh who am I kidding, this is Marvel we're talking about.

[Bob the Bastard]

Which is retarded.

Once she approaches Doctor Strange levels of magic, it cheapens his character. He is the SUPREME SORCERER ! THE SUPREME. He should've just been like "WTF is this shit, bitch you best step off"

Once she starts becoming the focus of a story line and altering the entire Marvel Universe she's getting jocked way too hard. Why are characters like Juggernaut getting neutered and Thor dying, while Scarlet Witch is messing with everyone's minds.

Crossovers are so gay now. We need another secret wars.


As far as Strange being the Sorcerer Supreme this is a designation that is fought for and rightfully acquired. The trial/fight is pretty much a free-for-all and last man/woman standing takes the title and extra power that the er..."gods" supply them to protect certain realms.

Regardless I agree that it cheapens the experience when they take a low tier character and make them into a villian either by design/accident or just mental fugue state. Sort of like how in DC Comics that one dude in the future who KILLED ALL the superheroes, and I mean ALL of them turns out to be Hawk, from Hawk and Dove. Which by the way started out that Hawk and Dove was a team of teenage brothers. (Guess they figured out that that was a bit too gay and incestual) So they changed it up that it was a dude and a chick named Dove and she supposedly helped him tame his baser instincts (heh...I'll bet) and keep him being a good guy. She gets killed and he all of a sudden figures that he needs to take control of shit and makes a fucking machine to kill all the heroes and then becomes a god among men...right.

Like servebot could all of a sudden merge with sentinel and Doom (molecular shield and tampon super)and have Magneto's powers AND glitched Jugs strength. That's the kind of power level we are talking about here. Being able to take out Pre-Crises Superman and Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet at the SAME TIME!!!!! It's complete bullshit.

Some characters never show their full potential and that is ok, but to take a character that has NEVER been explored as having top tier powers or even hinted at that fact and all of a sudden BAM, they're unstoppable. Sorry, probably got off track but it's still fucked bullshit...

[P. Gorath]

i thought the 2006 crossover was going to be Planet Hulk?

I'd rather get silver surfer back (even ultimized) before adam warlock, but either way would be nice

[Preppy]

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What the hell? (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Jan06/Jan05solicits.html) Look at the cover for Spider-girl #94.... AND issue #6 of Kevin Smith's Spidey/Black Cat series(?!?)... and the spoilers on who's coming back from X-Statix...

I'm pretty disappointed in that cover for Spider-girl. As much as Hawkeye was always one of my favorite good guys, he's just not interesting enough of a character to bring back from death wily-nily. :tdown: I hope they have a pretty damned good explanation for this, since otherwise it continues to cheapen the meaning of most any event.

EDIT: Sheng-Long says that the Spider-girl cover is *not* in the present universe, so hopefully it's just a random cover.


In the DC January solicits (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Jan06/DCJan05Solicits.html), there's Animal Man on the cover of IC 4.... which would seem to mean that Psycho Pirate is indeed playing a pretty big role in whatever the hell's going on.
... and Planetary #24 is coming out at long goddamn last. =\


I was struck by how many of the DC books are tieing in to Infinite Crisis, whereas the huge list of Marvel comics seemed to not be as cohesive/constrained by "House of M". I think I like the structure and universe of DC better overall, since it makes a little more sense, but I agree with Yasashiyama about the "super-duper god-tier" nature and "empty endings" of DC, so tend to stick with Marvel, Vertigo, or the occasional Wildstorm/ABC (Planetary, Astro City, Y, 100 Bullets) where things seem to actually be heading to some sort of overall resolution or at least a closing of 'important' chapters. As much as I've lost most interest in X-Men, it's easier in my mind for the ~30+ X-mutants to support 18 books and actually have things change vs Superman and Batman's small cast supporting 16 books. That's too much for me to care about or want to follow. Oh well - I'll keep picking up highly recommended TPBs and be content that way. =\


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