Comic book thread - version...???

[P. Gorath]

In the DC January solicits (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Jan06/DCJan05Solicits.html), there's Animal Man on the cover of IC 4.... which would seem to mean that Psycho Pirate is indeed playing a pretty big role in whatever the hell's going on.

yes, the old psycho pirate issue of animal man (#19 i think?) is already now going for $$ on ebay :xeye:

[Yasashiyama]

******SPOILERS********


What the hell? (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Jan06/Jan05solicits.html) Look at the cover for Spider-girl #94.... AND issue #6 of Kevin Smith's Spidey/Black Cat series(?!?)... and the spoilers on who's coming back from X-Statix...

I'm pretty disappointed in that cover for Spider-girl. As much as Hawkeye was always one of my favorite good guys, he's just not interesting enough of a character to bring back from death wily-nily. :tdown: I hope they have a pretty damned good explanation for this, since otherwise it continues to cheapen the meaning of most any event.

In the DC January solicits (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Jan06/DCJan05Solicits.html), there's Animal Man on the cover of IC 4.... which would seem to mean that Psycho Pirate is indeed playing a pretty big role in whatever the hell's going on.
... and Planetary #24 is coming out at long goddamn last. =\


I was struck by how many of the DC books are tieing in to Infinite Crisis, whereas the huge list of Marvel comics seemed to not be as cohesive/constrained by "House of M". I think I like the structure and universe of DC better overall, since it makes a little more sense, but I agree with Yasashiyama about the "super-duper god-tier" nature and "empty endings" of DC, so tend to stick with Marvel, Vertigo, or the occasional Wildstorm/ABC (Planetary, Astro City, Y, 100 Bullets) where things seem to actually be heading to some sort of overall resolution or at least a closing of 'important' chapters. As much as I've lost most interest in X-Men, it's easier in my mind for the ~30+ X-mutants to support 18 books and actually have things change vs Superman and Batman's small cast supporting 16 books. That's too much for me to care about or want to follow. Oh well - I'll keep picking up highly recommended TPBs and be content that way. =\


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Since I work at a comic shop just thought of something... We should just make a list of recommended comics (in general), that way, whenever anyone seems to be bored enough, we can just look at the list and go "Oh yeah, that's good *blah blah blah* I think I'll get it". That and it helps my lazyness from having to look through the entire thread.:rolleyes:

[Carpet Lint]

Everyone post favourite top 10 comics GOGOGOGOGOGO

(and then once one guy does it we can just add minor details and personal corrections, since the top 10 should be about the same for everyone)

[Nemesis00]

Of all time, or just at the moment?

[Yasashiyama]

I'm just going for "All time favorite".

Not in any particular order of favor;

10. Street Fighter, Udon (You know why)
9. Blade of the Immortal, Dark Horse (Amazing art. Truly)
8. Ultimate FF, Marvel (the early run)
7. The Ultimates 1 & 2, Marvel
6. Astonishing X-Men, Marvel (Another art favorite)
5. Exiles, Marvel (just because it's funny)
4. Runaways, Marvel
3. Sandman,...I forgot... (everyone is like "OMG! IT"S SOOO GOOD!!11" so I read it)
2. The House of M, Marvel (fake but I love the art)
1. PvP,...I forgot...again... (VERY funny. Seriously, pick this shit up)

[The Bucket Of Truth]

yes, the old psycho pirate issue of animal man (#19 i think?) is already now going for $$ on ebay :xeye:hey what was billy corgans solo album like? i heard it was about as exiciting as taking a bath with your uncle

[Sheng-Long]

******SPOILERS********


What the hell? (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Jan06/Jan05solicits.html) Look at the cover for Spider-girl #94....


well its a followup to Tom De Falco's 'Last Hero Standing' so it has no effect on the current Avengers. Scott Lang is also in that cover and he died in Alias years ago, plus I think Marvel's editors would notice it if they spoiled a return on the solicit covers :bgrin:



hey what was billy corgans solo album like? i heard it was about as exiciting as taking a bath with your uncle

ROFL'ES!!!


RE: Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer
I think marvel needs to push their cosmic heroes more, but then again, I don't think they have a good writer for cosmic stories these days, so I'd rather have them shelved than come out with a crappy cosmic title. Although I do remember Peter David's recent Captain Marvel to be awesome and refreshing (and cancelled :sad:) so you never really know.

[maxx]

heros i wanna see with series:

captain marvel: when marvel first got rid of the comic code..this comic took fulla dvantage comedy and sex related jokes abound awesomness.

adam warlock:rn has shown me how awesome this guy is and needs a series!

silver surfer: has soo much potential

ultimate iron fist series: he's a cool chacracter and he's popped up in the the ultimate universe as well as

shang chi: he did a spider-man team up and he popped up again in spiderman teaming up with iron fist.

[Sheng-Long]

Everyone post favourite top 10 comics GOGOGOGOGOGO


haha damn this is impossible for me, i can post my favorite must-reads of all time without ranking them (and its past 10 titles) but I dont think I can post them in order of what I liked best.

(no particular order)
- X-Force/X-StatiX - (even the ending was good even if it was cancelled)
- Astonishing X-men v3(?) or whatever volume the current one is.
- Exiles - Judd Winnick run ONLY !!!
- Peter David's X-factor run
- X-men with Byrne/Claremont tag-team
- WildC.A.Ts v2 and v3
- Ellis run on Stormwatch/The Authority v1
- Sandman (Neil Gaiman)
- Preacher
- Alan Moore's Supreme run
- Frank Miller's Sin City
- Bendis/Maleev on Daredevil
- Alias (Bendis)
- Powers v1
- Stray Bullets
- Fables
- Death - High Cost of Living
- Y - The Last Man
- Human Target (Vertigo)
- 100 Bullets
- Any grant Morrison on Vertigo (Doom Patrol, Invisibles etc)
- House of Secrets (Vertigo)
- Watchmen
- Maus
- Ex Machina
- Hellblazer (starting from Ennis' first run (#50 I think?) it gets better with diff writers and Azarello does my favorite arc, 'Hard Time')
- Punisher v5
- Captain America v5(?) - Brubaker's run
- Transmetropolitan
- Planetary
- Global Frequency

...can't think anything of any more, but then I haven't had my morning coffee yet.

[P. Gorath]

hey what was billy corgans solo album like? i heard it was about as exiciting as taking a bath with your uncle
It has its moments


my top ten ongoing series:

1. Grendel (vol. 2) - Comico
2. Stray Bullets - El Capitan
3. Magnus Robot Fighter (vol. 1) - Valiant
4. The Punisher MAX - Marvel MAX
5. Silver Surfer (vol. 2) - Marvel
6. Harbinger (vol. 1) - Valiant
7. Ultimate Spider-Man - Marvel
8. Sandman Mystery Theatre - Vertigo
9. Iron Man - Marvel
10. Dark Horse Presents - Dark Horse

top ten limited series:

1. The Punisher: Born - Marvel MAX
2. Grendel: War Child - Dark Horse
3. The Infinity Gauntlet - Marvel
4. We3 - Vertigo
5. The Dark Knight Strikes Again - DC
6. Mage: The Hero Discovered - Comico
7. U.S. War Machine - Marvel MAX
8. The Punisher: Welcome Back Frank - Marvel Knights
9. Sin City - the first DHP one - Dark Horse
10. any Concrete story

top ten series Im not ashamed to admit I collected in the 90s:

1. Power Pack - Marvel
2. Cloak & Dagger - Marvel
3. Darkhawk - Marvel
4. Robocop - Marvel
5. Sleepwalker - Marvel
6. Sovereign Seven - DC
7. Comics Greatest World - Dark Horse
8. Warlock and the Infinity Watch - Marvel
9. The Terminator - NOW

[Sano]

I'd have too many books on my "Must Read" list but I would probably reccomend Alan Moore's From Hell over anything. It's difficult to get into without giving the book away but there is an interesting theory on how all time exists in the same time, you'd have to read the entire book plus all of the liner notes to get all of it. It's one book that I feel is a perfect cross between standard literature and comics.

The movie did not do From Hell justice, not that I expected it to, it's too much to cover in one movie. Maybe they could of done without hiring "attractive" people like Johnny Depp and Heather Graham but I suppose they fill seats.

[FreddyL0c0]

hum i know i might regret this list afterwards, but off the top of my head

10.The Authority
9.Astonishing X-Men
8.Ultimates v1 and 2
7.Powers/Fables/Y the last man/100 bullets (why did I ever stop reading these books.... oh I know why)
6.League of extraordinary Gentleman
5.Transmetropolitan
4.Age of Apocalypse (i know I know its played out, but it did have the biggest impact in making me a comic book fan)
3.D.K.R
2.H.E.R.O.

1.Preacher


god damnit I know im forgeting something.

[Adam Warlock]

Dude, you are right, X-Statix is one of the best books ever, and definitely the greatest X-Book. Isn't there a new miniseries coming out? Something about Dead Girl or something? Any word on when it's coming out?

RE: Adam Warlock- I think he had a brief four issue series (got cancelled way fast) about a year ago or so. Never read any of it, but it had Charlie Adlard art, which is always good. Plus, it got cancelled, so it couldn't have sucked THAT much.

It came out REALLY slowly, introduce another female Adam Warlock and just did nothing to try to draw people in. They didn't even give it a chance.



RE: Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer
I think marvel needs to push their cosmic heroes more, but then again, I don't think they have a good writer for cosmic stories these days, so I'd rather have them shelved than come out with a crappy cosmic title. Although I do remember Peter David's recent Captain Marvel to be awesome and refreshing (and cancelled :sad:) so you never really know.


I think marvel is scared of going the DC route. All the uber powerful series characters either got dropped or depowered with no good explanation.

[Wellman]

I think Marvel currently hasn't pushed its cosmic characters is because they are all so far out of touch with the Marvel brand of heroes which means movie deals and high numbers aren't guarenteed.

They have tried multiple times relaunching cosmic stories (Warlock, Silver Surfer, Guardians and Star Jammers) but they all seemed to basically threw away most of the characters' histories and try to tell a story that seemed outside of the Marvel Universe. Which of course loses most of the characters original fans if they are still around and does nothing to bring in new folk.

The strongest cosmic level stories Marvel has done in years have been Thanos, Marvel Universe: The End, Captain Marvel and Stormbreaker (even if in many ways it is more of a Asgardian story.

[Pained Auron]

i just received my rrp ghost rider #1. i am happy

[Carpet Lint]

The strongest cosmic level stories Marvel has done in years have been Thanos, Marvel Universe: The End, Captain Marvel and Stormbreaker (even if in many ways it is more of a Asgardian story.
Silver Surfer and Thanos both had monthlies launched at around the same time.

The Silver Surfer one was odd. They tried to emphasize the alien aspect, and he only showed up like for one page at a time, in his own book. Any time a character only has cameos in their own book...you know it's not cool. I think it was gone after 12 too.

I liked the Thanos one though. Had Ron Lim on it - that was awesome. I thought with the (relative) success of The End would support this book...but I guess there just weren't enough numbers. The book was okay though. Gone after 12.

But The End kinda sucked. Ever since Gauntlet, it's been downhill. Infinity Gauntlet was great. Then Infinity War was okay. Then Infinity Crusade was...meh...and then Infinite Abyss...geez, just stop it. I have no idea how that justified The End being made, but I guess it did. I think they should just have stopped at Infinity War. My childhood would have been better that way.

I kept hearing that Captain Marvel was awesome. I never managed to get around to checking it out though.

I have no idea why they decided to make a Beta Ray Bill mini, but I'll be damned if I didn't pick it up. It had Mike Oeming's name on it, so I figured it couldn't be all bad.

It was all bad. Typical Marvel pacing (one issue divided in three), they tried a costume redesign in there, threw in a meaningless and cheap Spider-Man cameo at the end, and now Beta Ray Bill's got a new costume and instead of getting a wealthy rich white doctor like Donald Blake that Thor got, he got a dead black crack head hobo. HURRAY!!!

Let's review Carpet Lint's four favourite Marvel characters.

1) Colossus
- died from mutant AIDS
- Ultimatized and turned into a flaming homosexual
- then had a kick ass return in one of the best X-Men runs ever = AWESOME

2) Psylocke
- killed in two panels
- Ultimatized into a cool SHIELD agent, killed by aforementioned gay Colossus, brought back as skinny Asian emo punk girl
- brought back and only exists in Claremont books, which I imagine is worse than death

3) Thanos
- starred in a string of bad mini's, had his book cancelled, then appears on a cover of the Drax mini, only for it to turn out as a Skrull, tricking you
- comic book limbo

4) Beta Ray Bill
- comic book limbo
- a bad mini where he gets bonded to the soul of a dead hobo
- back to comic book limbo

HURRAY ME

[box]

SPOILERS (Concerning Ronin)

http://www.comicboards.com/avengers/view.php?rpl=051101200234

Avengers ultimate guide apparently revealed the identity of Ronin. I'm somewhat disapointed and hope it isn't true.

[The D Man]

HoM #8? What's really good?

[Nemesis00]

Let's review Carpet Lint's four favourite Marvel characters.

1) Colossus
- died from mutant AIDS
- Ultimatized and turned into a flaming homosexual
- then had a kick ass return in one of the best X-Men runs ever = AWESOME

2) Psylocke
- killed in two panels
- Ultimatized into a cool SHIELD agent, killed by aforementioned gay Colossus, brought back as skinny Asian emo punk girl
- brought back and only exists in Claremont books, which I imagine is worse than death

3) Thanos
- starred in a string of bad mini's, had his book cancelled, then appears on a cover of the Drax mini, only for it to turn out as a Skrull, tricking you
- comic book limbo

4) Beta Ray Bill
- comic book limbo
- a bad mini where he gets bonded to the soul of a dead hobo
- back to comic book limbo

HURRAY ME
BWAHAHA! This is so awesome, I'm gonna list my four, and hopefully this becomes a running gag.

1) Venom
- Bastardized by Marvel
- Jenkins finally does him right, until...
- Killed by Mark Asshole Millar in a horrible story
- Ultimized into a scrawny little shit with acne problems

2) Juggernaut
- depowered by Chuck Austen
- given pussy emotions by Chuck Austen
- Ultimized into a redneck mutant with a cool costume that has potential

3) Punisher
- Ennisher is running around kicking all sorts of ass
- Ennisher in not in Marvel continuity
- 616 Punisher is a big puss most of the time
- Ultimized into 616 Punisher

4) Sentry
- Romita JR is doing the art for the current mini
- Was actually used well by Millar in Ultimate FF, which is shocking
- Romita JR is doing the art for the current mini

I love how two shitty writers have ruined two of my favorite villains.

[box]

Spoiler

Just checked out the Avengers ultimate guide page 130. It does indeed reveal Ronin identity to be....


















Echo. Echo's powers are the ability to recreate any physical action on sight, including the use of various weapons. So she's like Taskmaster. She's deaf. She has ties to the Kingpin, but none of the Hand or the japanese underworld as far as I can tell, but Bendis might write something about it in the next issue.

[ViciousSLASH]

Spoiler

Just checked out the Avengers ultimate guide page 130. It does indeed reveal Ronin identity to be....


















Echo. Echo's powers are the ability to recreate any physical action on sight, including the use of various weapons. So she's like Taskmaster. She's deaf. She has ties to the Kingpin, but none of the Hand or the japanese underworld as far as I can tell, but Bendis might write something about it in the next issue.

WHy even fucking make a new bootleg Taskmaster ? Just bring fuckign TASKMASTER BACK. I remember when Taskmaster beat up all the avengers himself. Bendis needs to get off the Avengers now.

[maxx]

this looks hawt:

http://www.newsarama.com/activeimages/Nightmarist/Nightmarist.htm

[DeathScythe]

For the Spidey question, when Strazynski first started his run, brought up the point that Peter didn't get his powers from a radioactive spider, but that the spider gave Peter powers before it could die. That Peter's power was totemistic, and mystical in nature. It also introduced a new villian, named Morlun, who has survived for ages by feeding on those who possess qualities like Peter.

Morlun is apparantly the strongest person Spidey has ever faced, with punches as strong as Hulk's. the only way Spidey won, was by injecting himself with a highlevel of radiation, which transferred to Morlun when he tried to feed of Peter. This resulted in Morlun's death.

Now, we're at The Other, where it seems Morlun is back, and that the radiotion Peter absorbed is taking it's toll.




Oh yeah, now I remember about that whole arc with Ezikiel(sp?). Yeah, that whole mysticism behind the spider giving him his powers and the fact that his villians use animals as their symbols and whatnot. Man, that Morlun storyline was too long ago. May have to read that again. I'm liking the Evolve or Die thing. I'm just wondering how its gonna end.

[Nemesis00]

The next few issues are gonna suck badly. Reggie Hudlin cannot write comics if his life depended on it. Fucker ruined Black Panther and Absorbing Man.

[FreddyL0c0]

hum House of M 8 thoughts




spoilers

first time i read it, i thought it was lame, a cheap way to lead to decimation, most of the time everybodys like " I don't remember" "i remember" and how is it even logical that some of the mutants( although very few, and it might be a temporary phase) still keep their ability? Emma gives the possibility that wanda reached to as many mutants as she could, but comon, freakin wolverine and crew were all around the witch and they still keep their powers, yeah ok

then I re-read it, and found it less lame, I guess cause im intrigued by the Son of M issue, and it does seem to set up a better Hawkeye return than she-hulk did.




also I wanted to comment on new avengers.
I kind of spoiled myself i guess by reading one of the previews for a futur avengers issue.

it said that they will go public, and some will stay, some old ones will return, and some will leave.

I hon estly think that bendis should get wolverine out of here asap.....he has added absolutely nothing to the issue....im neutral about Spidey, Luke/Spider-women/Sentry/Ronin are all welcome additions. so my bets are on Logan getting out. Oh and Hawkeye/Miss Marvel will in all probabilities return.

[Nemesis00]

Did you read the preview for House of M: The Day After? That is some depressing shit. Let me look for a link...http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews.php?id=5157

[maxx]

Did you read the preview for House of M: The Day After? That is some depressing shit. Let me look for a link...http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews.php?id=5157

wtf he looks like fat bastard at the end of austin powers 3!

shit...

claremonts writing..oh lord it is mutant hunting season..man get jim lee back for a run.

[Pained Auron]

my cmoic shop didn't get HoM 8 yet. wtf?

[Wellman]

First I got to say Reggie Hudlin isn't all that bad a comic writer. He is following Priest on what was the definative Black Panther run that firmly established to all who read it that he was like a Black super rich and smart Batman, with the balls to lay waste to anyone that crosses him, friend, family or foe. Also his first arc which read like he was just told to go nuts was crap.

So far the last three issues while tie ins have been okay, no where near Priest worst day but servicable. We will see what he can do, but he isn't as bad as Austen on a bad month or heaven forbid Ron Zimmerman. And as for House of M...






BIG TRUCKIN SPOILERS AHEAD




Wait for it



NOW!
Not to groovy about HoM fall out. Hell of all the X-men, two of the ones that could have lost their powers and still been functional, Bishop and Beast, still got them. I mean Bishop is mainly known for being a cop and using his gun and a small section of Marvel fans would have loved a return of Beast to his human form.




END OF SPOILER

[The D Man]

Well at least they got my boy Bishop an apperance in there.





Because he's nowhere to be found in Mutopia.

[Sheng-Long]

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hum House of M 8 thoughts
spoilers
first time i read it, i thought it was lame, a cheap way to lead to decimation, most of the time everybodys like " I don't remember" "i remember" and how is it even logical that some of the mutants( although very few, and it might be a temporary phase) still keep their ability? Emma gives the possibility that wanda reached to as many mutants as she could, but comon, freakin wolverine and crew were all around the witch and they still keep their powers, yeah ok
well Doc Strange + Emma protected those near them so their powers weren't taken.
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I'm intrigued by the fallout to this, at least the x-books will be different for a while if not for a long time. Imagine Chamber without his powers. lol.

[The D Man]

Chamber without his powers is gonna be weird. Half of Chamber's upper body is gone, and not only did his powers keep him alive, but with them he didn't need to eat, drink, breathe etc. Now what? How can he even hold his head up? Talk?

At least people know exactly what looks to follow in Generation M.

[m121akuma]

I love the HoM fallout. Mega props to Marvel. Poor Mags.

[vpt_whatup]

Can anybody recommend a good JL graphic novel similar to the cartoons? I don't know what happened to the show but I was really into the story. Thanks in advance.

[Zephyranthes]

Did you read the preview for House of M: The Day After? That is some depressing shit. Let me look for a link...http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews.php?id=5157


Man... That is depressing... Written by Christopher Claremont... Sad.

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vpt_whatup- There are a bunch of JLA graphic novels that are pretty good. DC has collected editions of Grant Morrison's run, and those are all recommended. The first one is titled New World Order. This is what to read if you're interested in the superheroic adventurous exlpoits of the iconic DC characters- Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onnz), and, uh, Aquaman. Here's the Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156389369X/103-1299378-9847005?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance
That's the first one, so if you care about reading things in order, that's the place to start. All the individual books tell complete stories, but the writer did have an overarching plot (like in the JLU cartoon) so if you read it all in order, it'll be extra nice.

If you're interested in funny and lighthearted reading, check out the older Justice League books written by Keith Giffen and J.M. DeMatteis. The first one is titled Justice League: A New Beginning. Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0930289404/103-1299378-9847005?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance

More recently, there's also a book titled Formerly Known As The Justice League, which is by the same creative team. Try these books out if you like funny superhero stories that are generally more lighthearted in tone. Also, these books don't feature too much of the iconic DC characters, so if you enjoyed the lesser-known superheroes in the JLU cartoon (like Captain Atom and Booster Gold), this'd be right up your alley.

Liberty And Justice is a nice, book, too. It's got huge pages and fully painted art. The story is more of an old-school Silver Age vibe, but it's written well not to be too cheesy or anything. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1563899116/103-1299378-9847005?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance

JLA: Earth 2 is a good one, too. It's a one-shot graphic novel featuring the iconic DC characters and alternate universe counterparts (also known in this thread as IMPOSTERS). But it's a cool story with awesome, awesome artwork. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1563896311/103-1299378-9847005?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance

Other than that, I think the JLU comic is okay. I've read a couple random issues here and there at the store and even though they are aimed at a younger audience, I still got a kick out of them. I for one definitely prefer 'em over the "real" JLA comic as DC is currently publishing it. Plus, the JLU comics are reprinted as "digest" sized books- meaning that they are on a smaller format but also a lot cheaper.

[Pained Auron]

so i read HoM 8, and i guess wolverine remembers his whole life now. i wonder what kind of shit he's gonna get into now

[Nemesis00]

First I got to say Reggie Hudlin isn't all that bad a comic writer.
Oh, he's that bad. Like, Austen bad. The first six issues were a mess, and from what I've read, were a huge disgrace to continuity. His first arc in MK Spiderman was garbage. His best work so far has been the House of M issue of Black Panther, which still made little sense at parts.

[vpt_whatup]

*snip*Wow, thanks a lot for that comprehensive reply. I will definitely be looking for those books the next time I'm at the bookstore.

About the JLU comic, is it the same style and art as the show but just drawn as a comic? I think that I got one of those on Free-Comic-Book-Day a few years back. It wasn't that bad.

[Yasashiyama]

..."No more mutants"...

OK now Wanda has me on my nerves. Not only do they give her the power to CHANGE A WORLD WITHOUT LIFTING A FINGER but they make her sound like God. WTF.

"Let there be light"

Sound familiar? Cuz this is just too weird. Good thing I get my comics for free. :l

[Zephyranthes]

Wow, thanks a lot for that comprehensive reply. I will definitely be looking for those books the next time I'm at the bookstore.

About the JLU comic, is it the same style and art as the show but just drawn as a comic? I think that I got one of those on Free-Comic-Book-Day a few years back. It wasn't that bad.

Hey, no problem, I aim to please. And you're right, the JLU comic is done in a similar style as the cartoon. It's funny how DC creates comic books based on cartoons which were based on their own comics in the first place. They're aimed at kids, I guess, but they're still good for entertainment and fun to read. The Teen Titans Go comic makes me smile... Isn't that what superhero comics are supposed to do?

[maxx]

..."No more mutants"...

OK now Wanda has me on my nerves. Not only do they give her the power to CHANGE A WORLD WITHOUT LIFTING A FINGER but they make her sound like God. WTF.

"Let there be light"

Sound familiar? Cuz this is just too weird. Good thing I get my comics for free. :l

"i miss when wandas powers were alot more mundane, where she didn't alter reality, she just caused vaige badluck"-cyclops

"ohh no paperclips"

"uhh, eyelash in my eye"

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/251383

[ViciousSLASH]

..."No more mutants"...

OK now Wanda has me on my nerves. Not only do they give her the power to CHANGE A WORLD WITHOUT LIFTING A FINGER but they make her sound like God. WTF.

"Let there be light"

Sound familiar? Cuz this is just too weird. Good thing I get my comics for free. :l

I told you it's retarded. Scarlet Witch isn't Zatanna.

Bendis has no idea what he's doing. I want to read Ghost Rider.

I don't like Spidey in the avengers either, that shit don't play. Spidey isn't supposed to be on a team, and he sure as hell wouldn't be all about hanging around the avengers club house without a mask. Wolverine in the team is dumb as hell too. Don't make the Avengers into the JLA, the reason they were cool was because they WEREN'T the JLA.

Marvel needs to stop jocking mutants, stop whoring Wolverine, make ONE X Men team, have ONE X Men book, and tie up the mutant continuity. I know it's been going on since the 90's but it's been retarded for too long. If Wolverine is going to have a solo book take him out of the X Men.

What are the Fantasic Four doing ? The total ignore policy marvel puts on some of it's best heroes is frustraiting. Instead of writing 23 okay X Books, they should have all the solid characters have AWESOME books.

[box]

Another mistake by BMB just like his Quicksilver in Avengers disassembled.

In House of M 8, Doc Strange mentions that those who were at the final showdown remember the events as they transpired. Ironman was at the final showdown and had his memories unlocked by Layla... yet he doesn't remember what happened post House of M.

Also, the mutants whose memories were protected (wolvie, emma, cyke, nightcrawler, and kitty) were able to retain their powers. Colossus, Bishop (according to decimation) and Beast were not at the final showdown, yet they were able to retain their powers. So I'm not too sure about the rules for the mutant power retention. Why Colossus/Bishop/Beast yet not Iceman/Blob.

[maxx]

i guess for bobby because he was an omega level mutant and so they have essentially reverted him from god-tier to shit tier

[ViciousSLASH]

Another mistake by BMB just like his Quicksilver in Avengers disassembled.

In House of M 8, Doc Strange mentions that those who were at the final showdown remember the events as they transpired. Ironman was at the final showdown and had his memories unlocked by Layla... yet he doesn't remember what happened post House of M.

Also, the mutants whose memories were protected (wolvie, emma, cyke, nightcrawler, and kitty) were able to retain their powers. Colossus, Bishop (according to decimation) and Beast were not at the final showdown, yet they were able to retain their powers. So I'm not too sure about the rules for the mutant power retention. Why Colossus/Bishop/Beast yet not Iceman/Blob.

Shitty writing.

I'm about to send Marvel an E Mail asking them why they are focusing so much on fucking mutants, and for them to just make Uncanny X Men. Have one team, Like it used to be, and strangely that was when the X Men were the shit ( some of the best comics ever ).

Everyone needs to read Ghost Rider, art and writing is way way way too good. Way better then anything mutant related right now.

[maxx]

Shitty writing.

I'm about to send Marvel an E Mail asking them why they are focusing so much on fucking mutants, and for them to just make Uncanny X Men. Have one team, Like it used to be, and strangely that was when the X Men were the shit ( some of the best comics ever ).

Everyone needs to read Ghost Rider, art and writing is way way way too good. Way better then anything mutant related right now.

Well their trying to reformat the marvel universe because in their eyes its a mutant world. Everyone is either a mutant or mystical power related powers...thats what they give me the impression of now.

They keep talking about bringing baack old school, and wanted to do how stan lee invisioned. But he didn't invision it as a mutant oriented world...though clearly its not anymore. They depowered everyone and their grandmama. Maybe this refocusing will after put more focus on non mutant people....

but is like all the old school mutants now gonna be like detectives..cause we know their gonna still try to be heros. And then some big ass villain comes along and everyone must unite and powers are back.

[Yasashiyama]

Shitty writing.

I'm about to send Marvel an E Mail asking them why they are focusing so much on fucking mutants, and for them to just make Uncanny X Men. Have one team, Like it used to be, and strangely that was when the X Men were the shit ( some of the best comics ever ).

Everyone needs to read Ghost Rider, art and writing is way way way too good. Way better then anything mutant related right now.
Yeah, I stea--Er, BUY Ghost Rider now. I just looks plain awesome. I also saw the cover for the Director's Cut or something. I guess they're using CG almost through and through now.

As for the X tittles yeah I'd like them to come down to one (except for X-Statix and Exiles). It's always the same "I wanna join your team but I'll backstab ya and take a piss in your mouth" kind of series. Shit needs some reworking to do. Especially FF. I haven't read a good run since the beginning of Ultimate and Marvel Knights. Those issues were great.:tup:

[Wellman]

The fact is shitty writing and bad decisions the reason the X Titles have taken over the Marvel Universe.

The main guns of the MU got over taken by the X-men's popularity and stories, the writers then resorted to trying to do stupid things to get some sales which left long term fans out in the cold. Marvel in turn switches all the major happenings to the X-men and you got the mutant run MU.

Hell with a little organization all the X-Titles could cover different sides of the mutant run 616. I think at one point they were trying to do this, but then they gave Claremont two books and left things in his hands (bad move), they allowed Wheadon to have his own X-title but didn't actually cut one, Gambit, Rogue, Nightcrawler, etc.

Considering the only books being canceled because of Decimation are District X and a string of solo Xmen books that should have never been around in the first place, I don't expect much in way of change. Although the new X-Factor book by PAD, should be good, hopefully it won't suffer because of the mandate. Yasashiyama is right, if Marvel would trim some of the excess titles and mini series here and there that feature the same characters over and over again, they would have a much stronger line.

[Yasashiyama]

The fact is shitty writing and bad decisions the reason the X Titles have taken over the Marvel Universe.

The main guns of the MU got over taken by the X-men's popularity and stories, the writers then resorted to trying to do stupid things to get some sales which left long term fans out in the cold. Marvel in turn switches all the major happenings to the X-men and you got the mutant run MU.

Hell with a little organization all the X-Titles could cover different sides of the mutant run 616. I think at one point they were trying to do this, but then they gave Claremont two books and left things in his hands (bad move), they allowed Wheadon to have his own X-title but didn't actually cut one, Gambit, Rogue, Nightcrawler, etc.

Considering the only books being canceled because of Decimation are District X and a string of solo Xmen books that should have never been around in the first place, I don't expect much in way of change. Although the new X-Factor book by PAD, should be good, hopefully it won't suffer because of the mandate. Yasashiyama is right, if Marvel would trim some of the excess titles and mini series here and there that feature the same characters over and over again, they would have a much stronger line.

"Anything for money" A very important lesson. Besides, why do you think Marvel is always putting out some ridiculous items? As long as Spider-Man, the Hulk or Wolverine is on it they expect people to eat it up. Marvel is just too hungry for money to put out a good story. And if they do have a good writer some ridiculous crap will happen.

Case in point, a shipment of NYX, which was late in the first place, came in a seperate package over at the local comic shop. But when I look in the issues I notice that a bunch of the pages are crumbled beyong hell and the stapling is placed on the wrong area of the spine. It was like finding a piece of gold only to find out it's a piece of dog shit. It just pissed me off. It's probably just Diamond fucking up as usual but I have my suspicions.:bluu:

Oh and another fucked up thing I noticed on Wednesday was the fact that someone at Diamond stole a variant figure from the newest Spawn set. I swear, ever since Diamond became the only distributor there had been nothing but baaaaad shit going down. They make stupid mistakes, replace your orders, and use shitty deliverers. GOD!!!!:mad:

[Carpet Lint]

I'm assuming everyone here's read House of M, so I don't know if I need to add spoiler warnings. But still, just one last time...














Why did the X-Men keep their powers but Magneto didn't? Because then they wouldn't be able to write X-Men comic books if there's no super powers.

It's editorial decision - I think Bendis did a fairly solid writing job on this story.

Sure there were a bunch of inconsistencies throughout the book, but the main thing that irked me was the half-assed job of putting these issues together.

Like every damn issue, just stupid redundant pages that make me feel like I'm throwing money away. It's fucking Marvel again, trying to stretch three issues into four, six into eight. I hate that, and I don't want to buy comic books from a company that does that.

(From memory, so it can be inaccurate - someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

House of M #1 - heroes confront Magneto/Scarlet Witch, there's a big explosion, white light everywhere right?
Third last page - Four panels of Spider-Man doing nothing but watching the coming explosion.
Second last page - Big white explosion.
Last page - The same explosion, but whiter.

FUCK YOU, why did you just spend three pages showing me an explosion!?!

House of M #2,3,4,5 or 6 (I don't remember because these five issues could have been told in two) - The last two ENTIRE PAGES once again...SAME EXPLOSION.

Lazy assed bastards.

House of M #8 - Same shit again.
Third last page - Zooming out, four panels showing the world.
Second last page - Zoomed out, full entire page splash of a picture of the world.
Last page - ANOTHER full page splash showing the exact same fucking thing - the world. Which we've already been seeing for the last three entire pages.

Goddamn man, give me a fricking break.

And also - House of M #8 had one two page spread. That cool looking scene where Emma is using Cerebro to find all the mutants in the world, and there's that cool picture of the globe...whatever, two page spread. There was one - ONE - two page spread in the entire issue.

And they choose - for whatever retarded reason - to cleverly insert that big two page advertisement for the follow-up books RIGHT IN BETWEEN THE ONLY TWO PAGE SPREAD IN THE ISSUE. That's just fucking retarded.

One big two page ad in the comic. One two page spread in the comic. It's not fucking rocket science to know not to put them together.

And screw Marvel if they said that the reason for all these slip-ups is because they were rushed to put out eight issues bimonthly. Who's fault is it that they wanted to tell a six issue mini-series in eight issues?

It's lazy, it's easily avoidable, it still happens all the time, and it just means that they don't give a crap about the crap they sell you.

Happened a lot in All Stars Batman & Robin too, which is another big reason why I hate that book. Just a lot of pages of talking heads saying nothing. What's happened in two entire issues - like 44 pages? They still haven't escaped from the initial police chase! And that last page of issue two? A big fucking "R" - AND THAT'S IT. What the hell, DC!?!

Just because you have Miller and Lee on that book doesn't mean you can just take a dump in a printer and sell it to people.

...okay, maybe it does mean exactly that, but I still don't like it!

Damn them all.

Worst issue ever.








</comic book nerd rant>

[Nemesis00]

So, now that Storm is leaving the Uncanny team to live in Africa, the new team is now

Wolverine
Bishop
Marvel Girl
Nightcrawler
Psylocke
Cannonballs

Which puts Logan on three X teams and the Avengers. :|

[Yasashiyama]

I'm assuming everyone here's read House of M, so I don't know if I need to add spoiler warnings. But still, just one last time...














Why did the X-Men keep their powers but Magneto didn't? Because then they wouldn't be able to write X-Men comic books if there's no super powers.

It's editorial decision - I think Bendis did a fairly solid writing job on this story.

Sure there were a bunch of inconsistencies throughout the book, but the main thing that irked me was the half-assed job of putting these issues together.

Like every damn issue, just stupid redundant pages that make me feel like I'm throwing money away. It's fucking Marvel again, trying to stretch three issues into four, six into eight. I hate that, and I don't want to buy comic books from a company that does that.

(From memory, so it can be inaccurate - someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

House of M #1 - heroes confront Magneto/Scarlet Witch, there's a big explosion, white light everywhere right?
Third last page - Four panels of Spider-Man doing nothing but watching the coming explosion.
Second last page - Big white explosion.
Last page - The same explosion, but whiter.

FUCK YOU, why did you just spend three pages showing me an explosion!?!

House of M #2,3,4,5 or 6 (I don't remember because these five issues could have been told in two) - The last two ENTIRE PAGES once again...SAME EXPLOSION.

Lazy assed bastards.

House of M #8 - Same shit again.
Third last page - Zooming out, four panels showing the world.
Second last page - Zoomed out, full entire page splash of a picture of the world.
Last page - ANOTHER full page splash showing the exact same fucking thing - the world. Which we've already been seeing for the last three entire pages.

Goddamn man, give me a fricking break.

And also - House of M #8 had one two page spread. That cool looking scene where Emma is using Cerebro to find all the mutants in the world, and there's that cool picture of the globe...whatever, two page spread. There was one - ONE - two page spread in the entire issue.

And they choose - for whatever retarded reason - to cleverly insert that big two page advertisement for the follow-up books RIGHT IN BETWEEN THE ONLY TWO PAGE SPREAD IN THE ISSUE. That's just fucking retarded.

One big two page ad in the comic. One two page spread in the comic. It's not fucking rocket science to know not to put them together.

And screw Marvel if they said that the reason for all these slip-ups is because they were rushed to put out eight issues bimonthly. Who's fault is it that they wanted to tell a six issue mini-series in eight issues?

It's lazy, it's easily avoidable, it still happens all the time, and it just means that they don't give a crap about the crap they sell you.

Happened a lot in All Stars Batman & Robin too, which is another big reason why I hate that book. Just a lot of pages of talking heads saying nothing. What's happened in two entire issues - like 44 pages? They still haven't escaped from the initial police chase! And that last page of issue two? A big fucking "R" - AND THAT'S IT. What the hell, DC!?!

Just because you have Miller and Lee on that book doesn't mean you can just take a dump in a printer and sell it to people.

...okay, maybe it does mean exactly that, but I still don't like it!

Damn them all.

Worst issue ever.








</comic book nerd rant>

OMG That part in the first issue is true! I was at least expecting a little something nice like some CG or something but blank white? o.o" At least they had a reaaaaaaally good penciller for it. If it was gonna be like the OMAC Project I was going to flip out. Using shitty artist for a decent story is sad. Using a REALLY good artist for a crappy story (Batman All-Stars) is even more sad.

[Gamma Charge]

Scarlet Witch's powers initially were simple little things like altering probability and odds and stuff like that, so everyone thought it was merely "Chaos Magic". However, according to Dr.Strange, Chaos Magic doesn't exist and the Witch was not altering probability but rather reality itself. And each time she used her powers to alter reality, she lost a little bit of her grasp on reality.

Dr. Strange is the authority on all things magic in the Marvel Universe, and if he says there's no such thing as Chaos Magic, there's 99% chance that he's right. I doubt he suffered from a breakdown.

Thing is Dr Strange has used Chaos Magic before. His last series had him as an apprentice to a "dark" magician learning chaos magics and other "dark arts". He has encountered Chaos Magic Gods. So have the Avengers. Agatha Harkness has acknowledged Chaos Magic. It has been referenced many times over the past 30+ years. BMB is full of it.

[Nemesis00]

One thing I'm still on the fence about was the House of M spinoffs. They're good for people who didn't get them, because they added nothing to the overall story, except for Pulse. For the people that did get them, they were nice becuase they showed us how the "Wanda Woogie" effected everyone else not in the main story. However, the spinoffs added nothing to the main story, and were pretty much pointless. Kinda like Dissasembled, but not as bad.

Thing is Dr Strange has used Chaos Magic before. His last series had him as an apprentice to a "dark" magician learning chaos magics and other "dark arts". He has encountered Chaos Magic Gods. So have the Avengers. Agatha Harkness has acknowledged Chaos Magic. It has been referenced many times over the past 30+ years. BMB is full of it.
Bendis tells a good story, but outside of Daredevil, the continuity errors skyrocket.

[maxx]

So, now that Storm is leaving the Uncanny team to live in Africa, the new team is now

Wolverine
Bishop
Marvel Girl
Nightcrawler
Psylocke
Cannonballs

Which puts Logan on three X teams and the Avengers. :|

wow storms going home...

ok who else feels comics shit on black people more than any minority? Especially marvel and dc? They have a backstock of characters they could use...i think dc owns milestone yet they don't push anything really.

[Yasashiyama]

Man I'm just gonna chill out for a few minutes and read some PvP comics for a bit. All this House of M/Infinity Crisis crap is pissing me off too badly.

ok who else feels comics shit on black people more than any minority? Especially marvel and dc? They have a backstock of characters they could use...i think dc owns milestone yet they don't push anything really.

Completely true. Marvel's only cool black people are Storm, Cage and Cloak (come on people, you know you love him too)

[Nemesis00]

You think there's a lack of black characters? How many Latin characters are in Marvel besides Arana? NONE!

[Yasashiyama]

You think there's a lack of black characters? How many Latin characters are in Marvel besides Arana? NONE!
I'm sure there's a couple of them somewhere. Let's see there's Arana....then....um...










...







Yeah, I got nothing. No wonder some people liked her. She's such a lonely Latina...What is she anyways? Puerto Rican or something? At least that'll make me happy. *waves around his PR flag* PENA POBRE BIZNATCHES!

[maxx]

You think there's a lack of black characters? How many Latin characters are in Marvel besides Arana? NONE!

u know that comic artist are like some obscene as like 95% white. Some artist told me this..or was it dwayne mcduffie..don't remember.

i can't really say about latin characters since i never looked for them before.

yasha:half latin half puertorican and she sucks as a character which is gonna be sad when she gets cancelled for you guys...you havere no back up characters..blacks at least have a handfull.

[Yasashiyama]

u know that comic artist are like some obscene as like 95% white. Some artist told me this..or was it dwayne mcduffie..don't remember.

i can't really say about latin characters since i never looked for them before.

yasha:half latin half puertorican and she sucks as a character which is gonna be sad when she gets cancelled for you guys...you havere no back up characters..blacks at least have a handfull.
There goes my plans for a good job.:sad: And for Arana as well. Looks like she'll be waiting tables for a loooooooooong time.

[Preppy]

Yeah, it's the money (http://www.newsarama.com/marketreport/Aug05top300.html). Not as dominated by X-books as it has been in the past, but putting "X" on the cover probably adds 5,000 sales or so. =\

I've always liked The Falcon in a kind of WTF way. "Yeah, I'm on the Avengers due to Affirmative Action..."?!?

[Yasashiyama]

Yeah, it's the money (http://www.newsarama.com/marketreport/Aug05top300.html). Not as dominated by X-books as it has been in the past, but putting "X" on the cover probably adds 5,000 sales or so. =\
"47 Serenity 2 $2.99 Dark Horse 47,100"

At least Serenity is ahead of that damn Supes. Has anyone read any of the issues yet? Sounds tempting enough to force the comic shop owner to get off his ass and get it.

[maxx]

Yeah, it's the money (http://www.newsarama.com/marketreport/Aug05top300.html). Not as dominated by X-books as it has been in the past, but putting "X" on the cover probably adds 5,000 sales or so. =\

I've always liked The Falcon in a kind of WTF way. "Yeah, I'm on the Avengers due to Affirmative Action..."?!?

HAHA!

falcon is the token black man. Imma go watch that flash movie again just for falcon.

"aww hell, that skirt done fucked up reality just a couple months ago!"

[Rage02fire]

You think there's a lack of black characters? How many Latin characters are in Marvel besides Arana? NONE!

Hmm.. well besides arana there's sunspot [x-men, he's mexican] and white tiger from daredevil, both [angela del toro] and [hector ayala] there Purteo rican, hector's half black though. Oh also the now dead skin from x-men as well he was mexican.

So really thats it so far 5 characters but hopefully they'll be more latin heroes in the future.


Oh by the way I just read Ultimate spider man 85 the conclusion to warriors. That was a hella crazy ending. Brian Micheal Bendis is one of the greatest writers for marvel right now.

His plot in daredevil's the murdok papers has been excellent so far. He really can make so many suspenseful stories. Anyone else been reading Daredevil or USM lately?

[Wellman]

I think there is at least one other latin character in Marvel called White Tiger or something, he or she is currently running around in Daredevil right now or previously. And Echo, the chick they say will be Ronin is latin right?

As for Black characters, yeah we get shitted on pretty badly, Black Panther, having a LEGENDARY (but still sleeper for most) run under Priest that established him as being a serious character in MU instead just another token, and it is swept under the rug. Nothing against Hudlin, as I said he isn't completely bad but compared to Priest, especially with the mess that was the first arc, his BP comes off as weak.

Not to mention Marvel seems to only be releasing series staring black characters in February. Next up is a Storm and BP love story, in AFRICA! By a BLACK AUTHOR!

[maxx]

i'm remembering some chick who could have been latin not sure, she was a deaf girl who had the ability to copy any move she saw and went onto studying daredevils best villains.

[Pained Auron]

there's also that puerto rican doctor with the forcefield. i think her name was cecilia reyes

[Nemesis00]

Hmm, ok...

Arana
Sunspot
Angela as White Tiger, cus Hector is dead
Ultimate Ox
Docter bitch with forcefield

vs

Luke Cage
Storm
Falcon
Rocket Racer
Black Panther
Blade
Bishop
War Machine
Ultimate Nick Fury

Damn, negros won...

maxx: You're remembering Echo, who is Native American.

[m121akuma]

I hope to God fanboys don't bitch too much about HoM. If Marvel catches wind of that, they'll just put everything back to the way it was, and I personally like the twist it's brought to the Marvel universe.

I honestly think comic fanboys are the most annoying kind ever.

[Rage02fire]

there's also that puerto rican doctor with the forcefield. i think her name was cecilia reyes

Oh yeah I forgot about her she was in x-men, I thought she was black though.

As for black heroes in marvel, Man we got alot. There's falcon from avengers, the now dead maggot from x-men [blue guy with those 2 slugs], Luke cage aka powerman who is one my favorite hereos, blade the day walker from tomb of dracula [another of my favorite], cloak from spider-man, bishop from x-men, war machine, and white tiger [hector aylaya] but he's half black and half PR

[m121akuma]

While we're talking black characters in comics, don't forget Ultimate Nick Fury, who is too fuckin' pimp for words.

[Nemesis00]

I hope to God fanboys don't bitch too much about HoM. If Marvel catches wind of that, they'll just put everything back to the way it was, and I personally like the twist it's brought to the Marvel universe.

I honestly think comic fanboys are the most annoying kind ever.
What I've noticed about HoM is that it was just a tool to reverse everything Morrison did.

[Pained Auron]

also one of the gen x guys was latino. i think it was the one with the strectchy skin

[Rage02fire]

Well since ultimate is also included, I would like to say ultimate Ox is Purteo rican as well.


Ya ever that was skin he's dead now though when graydon's creed's group whatever it's called killed him via crucification. It was messed up too when they found him he was on the x-men's lawn.

[m121akuma]

What I've noticed about HoM is that it was just a tool to reverse everything Morrison did.
Maybe so, but it was despirately needed.

Why are people still bitching about Marvel being too "mutant-oriented" when HoM 8 was specifically made for the purpose of fixing that problem.

I think Spidey on the Avengers was a great decision, personally. His interaction in the team dynamic is a blast to watch, and I was really getting tired of him still so low in the public eye despite everything he's done in the past decade. Putting him on a high prestige team like the Avengers is just what he needs.

But I'm in the minority, so he'll probably get dropped anyways.

[Zephyranthes]

Has anyone read Daredevil: Redemption by David Hines and Michael Gaydos? The paperback is out and I'm wondering what people have thought of it. Also, has anyone read Tricked by Alex Robinson? That one is published by Top Shelf and it looks like a great book, but I'm curious to see what people think.

[Nemesis00]

I too love Parker being an Avenger. His whole life has pretty much been crap. Let him get something out of it. Logan, however, has to go. Why is he there? Because he has a killer's edge to him. If the rumors are true, then after the Spider-Woman arc some members will be leaving, while other older Avengers join in. I hope they ditch Wolverine for Warbird. The team is in desperate need of some pussy.

[Pained Auron]

how did maggot die?

[The D Man]

Maggot I think was executed in a concentration camp or something. I think Sinisters kept one of his maggots too.

I think two other Latins are Living Lightning and Firebird. I think they used to be Avengers or reserves.

Plus Captain Marvel/Photon/Pulsar, Triathlon, Synch and M from Gen X for a few more black characters.

[Rage02fire]

He died at a weapon x facility 2 years ago or so after he got aced I belive mr.sinister took one of his slugs.

Oh another black hero is brother voodoo.

[Zephyranthes]

Wow, look at all those timestamps. This thread has more activity than a George Perez cover.

[maxx]

Oh yeah I forgot about her she was in x-men, I thought she was black though.

As for black heroes in marvel, Man we got alot. There's falcon from avengers, the now dead maggot from x-men [blue guy with those 2 slugs], Luke cage aka powerman who is one my favorite hereos, blade the day walker from tomb of dracula [another of my favorite], cloak from spider-man, bishop from x-men, war machine, and white tiger [hector aylaya] but he's half black and half PR

i thought she was black too then sum1 told me she was purto rican..but does it matter heard she got offed..but damn she was one fine girl.

[Zephyranthes]

Joe Robertson is black, too. And he's been a supporting character in the Spider-Man books for many, many years. Plus, there was the Anarchist in X-Statix. And the other dude who was on X-Statix for a couple issues (his name escapes me at the moment). Oh yeah, and Misty Knight... Iron Fist's girlfriend, I think. Shockingly enough, she's gonna have her own comic pretty soon. It might be pretty good, given Marvel's track record of producing books featuring no-name and obscure characters.

[Yasashiyama]

Anyone else noticing a slight decrease somewhere in this list. lol Marvel hates Hispanic people (and loves to mutilate Russians with terrible steriotypes). What the monk indeed. :clap:

[box]

I too love Parker being an Avenger. His whole life has pretty much been crap. Let him get something out of it. Logan, however, has to go. Why is he there? Because he has a killer's edge to him. If the rumors are true, then after the Spider-Woman arc some members will be leaving, while other older Avengers join in. I hope they ditch Wolverine for Warbird. The team is in desperate need of some pussy.

Yeah. They do need a few more females.





Spoiler. Ronin is female... but not Elektra according to the ultimate Avengers Guide.

[Nemesis00]

I still don't believe that Ronin is Echo. I call bullshit on that. Nowhere has it ever been stated that she has extensive knowledge of the Hand or the Japanese underworld. My bet is on the guy that trained Daredevil, Stone.

[Rage02fire]

stone lol I thought it was stick.

[Nemesis00]

It's one of those two fuckers. Besides, Ronin is built like a lumberjack. Echo is a scrawny little redskin.

[Yasashiyama]

It's one of those two fuckers. Besides, Ronin is built like a lumberjack. Echo is a scrawny little redskin.
Maybe they'll say it was just "baggy clothing".:confused:

[box]

I still don't believe that Ronin is Echo. I call bullshit on that. Nowhere has it ever been stated that she has extensive knowledge of the Hand or the Japanese underworld. My bet is on the guy that trained Daredevil, Stone.

Yeah. That's what I said when I first found out. There's also the possibility that Tom Defalco could have put it in as a hoax. I guess only time will tell. If it does turn out to be Echo... I will be very disapointed.

[Nemesis00]

Seriously, I wouldn't trust DeFalco for shit. He's the same genious who decided to give Silver Surfer the Carnage symbiote for an issue. Yeah, you heard me right.

And where the fuck is the Silver Surfer anyway? You think someone who has the powers of a god would show up more often whenever some mutie bitch goes crazy with her power.

[vpt_whatup]

I know that this is like my third request for a recommendation, but you guys seem to know your stuff. To reiterate, the last time that I was into comics was around the time of the Age of Apocalypse and when X-Men/Spiderman/Spawn were the three hottest titles. It was also when Amaglam was around. Is it still around today?

I'm sort of interested in Justice League now but I already got hooked up with that.

Can anybody recommend a good X-Men or Spiderman graphic novel that is similar to the 90's style? I know the Ultimate lines are the best, but there are too many to afford, lol.

[Nemesis00]

Don't know about 90's style, but I can recommend some good trades for you anyway.

Astonishing X-Men - only 12 issues, and it's great stuff, until the last issue IMO

Now, depending on if you want a serious take on Spiderman or comedic take

Amazing Spider-Man - Coming Home, the start of Strazynski's run, and a good intro into Amazing Spider-Man and the current story.

Spectacular Spider-Man - Hunger, the first arc by Jenkins. His work on this run of twenty some odd issues is what marvel Knights Spider-Man should be.

[Pained Auron]

wohoo day of vengeance tpb this week

[maxx]

oh ya and wasn't their like a captain america who was black..caused major controversy. I always felt ultimate universe was amrvels way of trying sum tin fresh and correcting alot of things that wouldn't fly back in the whole days like i felt marvel universe if 90210 of comics.

lots of drama

lots of action

occasional minority appearance

but ultimate felt more like home...like our universe cause we could relate to it more...is collossus gay?

[Preppy]

^-- "The Truth" by Kyle Baker (http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000247). I'm a big fan of Kyle, but that was a little random for me.

[FreddyL0c0]

I just wanted to add Rictor from X-factor as another latino...dunno if Sunspot has been mentioned either.

[Zephyranthes]

Actually, I thought Truth was really, really good. I thought it was just pretty good, until I got to the final chapter of the story. That was what elevated it in my eyes- it proved to be a story that was just more than a superhero comic with a "controversial" gimmick. It's definitely one of the Marvel books I'm proudest to own.

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Nemesis00- Say, can you tell me a little about that Silver Surfer/Carnage thing? Silver Surfer's a personal favorite character of mine, but I don't remember this at all. It clearly sounds stupid, but I guess I've got a morbid curiosity.

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vpt_whattup- The nineties were a dark time for Spider-Man and the X-Men. Like Nemesis00 posted, try out Astonishing X-Men. The first volume is titled Gifted. That's a pretty traditional style superhero comic with beautiful art and snappy dialogue.

For X-Men stories with a bit more scope (and some far out ideas), try New X-Men written by Grant Morisson. The first volume is titled E Is For Extinction. If you like that, then you'll probably like the rest of it. Like his JLA stories, all of the individual books stand up as standalone tales, but if you read everything in order, it's a much more rewarding experience.

If you're interested in an absolutely mind-blowing reading, definitely seek out X-Force, which later changed to X-Statix. Here's the Amazon link to the first volume. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078510819X/103-1299378-9847005?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance
It doesn't really have the X-Men (other than a few appearances here and there by Professor X or Wolverine), but it's the most effective use of the X-Brand I've ever read. It's not a typical superhero story, but it does contain many traditional superhero elements, and then some. It's satirical, sharp, and layered; however, it's also a lot of fun and it's character-driven. I'll go out on a limb here and say that at least a couple other guys here will back me up when I boast that reading this series is a life-altering experience. (Uh, at least in the sense that you'll never look at the X-Brand the same way again.)

If you just want something that is completed in one book (so you won't get addicted and have to shell out for more volumes), try this one. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785108017/103-1299378-9847005?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance
Poptopia was an underrated gem of an X-Men story, dealing with the ideas of mutanthood, fame, and pop culture. Sadly, the only reason you won't have to track down any further volumes of this story is because Marvel never bothered collecting the rest of Joe Casey's work. But I like it a lot (apparently, no one else did) and I also liked his other miniseries, X-Men: Children of the Atom. CotA was basically a modern day retelling of the origin of the original X-Men.

For Spider-Man, listen to Nemesis and take a look at the first volume of Amazing Spider-Man. If you enjoy that, you'll enjoy the rest of the run.

I also liked Paul Jenkins work on the character (awaiting Clinty to chime in at any moment, now), especially early on. The later Spectacular Spider-Man stuff after the third volume or so isn't very good. (But the final issue of Spectacular Spider-Man, which was #26 or 27 or so, was superb and stands as one of the finest one issue Spider-Man stories of the modern era.) He did a lot of good stuff in the Peter Parker: Spider-Man books as well.

Probably my favorite Spider-Man story ever is this one right here.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785110194/103-1299378-9847005?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance
This one actually has ties to the nineties, so if you remember some of that Clone Wars crap (some of us can never forget... *shudder*), this'll help you come to terms with the resurrection of Norman Osborn. Plus, it's cheap and you won't need to read any other volumes to continue the story.

Oh yeah, and Spider-Man: Blue by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale was also really good. That story is about Peter Parker as a young man and his relationships with Gwen Stacy and Mary Jane. It's kinda Silver Age-ish in concept, but it manages to tell a story with modern sensibilities without completely trampling the work of the past. It's another good one to get if you just want to buy one book that's complete all by itself.

[Preppy]

^-- Having read the fascinating Life of Reilly (http://www.newcomicreviews.com/GHM/specials/LifeOfReilly/1.html) recently (it covers the Spider-Clone saga, plus some interesting behind-the-scenes stuff), I feel even more so now that it was awesome to approve and publish "The Truth" and give it the plot it had. I just think Kyle's humorous/light writing is markedly better than his "serious" stuff, and I think I'd rather not have had Kyle's art on it. It works, I've got everything he's published*, but it's such a comic style that I think it kind of gets in the way of The Truth's story. *shrug*

I didn't know that X-Force/X-Statix was out in TPB form - I'll definitely pick that up.

* For people interested in Kyle Baker, I'd recommend in order:
#1- Kyle Baker Cartoonist. Mostly single frame cartoons, but great.
#2- Why I Hate Saturn. Talkie, indie, great.
#3- Cowboy Wally. I've on my 9th copy now, since people steal it. Moments of comic genius. "What? I've got half a medallion too!" "Tonight's guest is a man who catches bullets in his mouth. BLAM! Whoops - that's tomorrow night's guest. Is that man ok?"
#4- I Die At Midnight, Truth, or You Are Here

[P. Gorath]

the 90s were a dark time for everything.

The best actual superhero stuff done in comics was the pre-unity Valiant comics

[Yasashiyama]

I'm also feeling a bit curious but did anyone read the World Trade Center (aka the "Black Cover") story for Amazing Spider-Man? I think I saw it laying around at the comic shop and sort of felt like reading it.

[vpt_whatup]

Wasn't Valiant the company behind X-Man-O-War or something like that?

I don't remember everything too clearly since I was pretty young at the time. I just referred to an old Wizard that I had lying around (from '95) to remind myself. Thanks again for the recommendations, Zephyranthes.

[box]

I'm also feeling a bit curious but did anyone read the World Trade Center (aka the "Black Cover") story for Amazing Spider-Man? I think I saw it laying around at the comic shop and sort of felt like reading it.

Yeah i got it. It isn't too great of a story... but it's still a collector's item.

[maxx]

I'm also feeling a bit curious but did anyone read the World Trade Center (aka the "Black Cover") story for Amazing Spider-Man? I think I saw it laying around at the comic shop and sort of felt like reading it.

its kinda weird...i mean we can't expect it to be fantatsic, they did that immediatly when it happened. It wasn't something they thought out, it was like oh shit literally stop the presses and j.michael pumped out a script.

Its kinda sad.,..its always weird when comics links fantasy world with our world in that where were u superheros. i feel weird about that comic. but get it anyways. its good to read just cuz its interestin...it gets diff emotions out of people.

[Yasashiyama]

its kinda weird...i mean we can't expect it to be fantatsic, they did that immediatly when it happened. It wasn't something they thought out, it was like oh shit literally stop the presses and j.michael pumped out a script.

Its kinda sad.,..its always weird when comics links fantasy world with our world in that where were u superheros. i feel weird about that comic. but get it anyways. its good to read just cuz its interestin...it gets diff emotions out of people.
At least we all felt better when they sicked Captain America against some terrorists in the Ultimates. He PWNED AN ENTIRE SECTOR OF THEM. It's even funnier when he just says "Put down your guns" and they all comply. That shit was priceless.:clap:

[maxx]

At least we all felt better when they sicked Captain America against some terrorists in the Ultimates. He PWNED AN ENTIRE SECTOR OF THEM. It's even funnier when he just says "Put down your guns" and they all comply. That shit was priceless.:clap:

what volume of ultimates did this happen?

[Yasashiyama]

what volume of ultimates did this happen?
Volume 2 and 1rst issue I believe.

[Nemesis00]

its kinda weird...i mean we can't expect it to be fantatsic, they did that immediatly when it happened. It wasn't something they thought out, it was like oh shit literally stop the presses and j.michael pumped out a script.

Its kinda sad.,..its always weird when comics links fantasy world with our world in that where were u superheros. i feel weird about that comic. but get it anyways. its good to read just cuz its interestin...it gets diff emotions out of people.
It's pretty funny watching Doom cry like a pussy though...

[Yasashiyama]

It's pretty funny watching Doom cry like a pussy though...
Doom...Victor von FREAKIN' DOOM?! That guy has more issues than Hitler! What kind of freakish reason would he cry for?! :confused:

[maxx]

Doom...Victor von FREAKIN' DOOM?! That guy has more issues than Hitler! What kind of freakish reason would he cry for?! :confused:

lol cause j.michael wants all to think a terrorist attack would bring us all together...basically did.

we all got together to hate muslims....they had like doom/kingpin and someone else their all sad and shit.

i can see kingpin sad more than doom. DOOMS NOT EVEN FROM AMERICA!

[Adam Warlock]

lol cause j.michael wants all to think a terrorist attack would bring us all together...basically did.

we all got together to hate muslims....they had like doom/kingpin and someone else their all sad and shit.

i can see kingpin sad more than doom. DOOMS NOT EVEN FROM AMERICA!

What makes it more funny is Doom blows shit up all the time. WTF does he care about the World Trade?

[Nemesis00]

Cus JMS threw a bunch of random villains into one panel, and they were all moping around like a bunch of pussies. I remember seeing Doc Oc, Kingpin and Juggernaut. Juggernaut and Kingpin make sense, but the others have no fucking right being there and crying.

And yeah, Doom blows shit up all the time. Hell, Juggernuat destroyed one of the twin towers back in the day cus he fucking could.

[Yasashiyama]

What makes it more funny is Doom blows shit up all the time. WTF does he care about the World Trade?
"Hahaha...suckers":clap:

Now that I think about it, it would be a really sick and dark if someone made a good story about him going all ultra terrorist and everyone has to kill him(and not that weird looking mini series they're making).

[Nemesis00]

Well, not that Magneto's out of the picture, the only man that can fill his shoes is Doom.

[Carpet Lint]

All the best Spidey and X-books have already been covered, so I can't add much to that discussion.

Just to echo some suggestions though and to put some extra emphasis on them...

X-Men
- The new Astonishing X-Men trades. 12 issues, like...two or three trades. You should pick that up, especially if you liked the 90's stuff. I loved this run.

- Grant Morrison's E For Extinction trade. Awesome story that started his run on X-Men, so if you like this one, consider picking up the next one and so on. I don't really know if you'll like the rest of the run so much though, since most of it was hurt by some terrible, terrible, eye gouging art, and the fact that Grant Morrison was probably on drugs for the entire year he wrote X-Men. Though to be fair, you could argue that he's always on drugs. The end of the run got really weird, but I know there's a lot of people even in this thread that really liked it.

Spidey
- The Coming Home trade, which was the beginning of JMS' run on Amazing Spider-Man. I loved his entire run with Romita Jr. drawing. For that period, it was my favourite monthly superhero comic. If you like this, pick up the next trade until you don't like it anymore.

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There was a weird two issue arc in Amazing Spider-Man where the Carnage symboite somehow beat Silver Surfer, and then Spider-Man somehow in turn defeated the supposely-more-powerful Silver Surfer. I never read it, but it sounds awesome.

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManR/amazing_spiderman_430.htm
http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManR/amazing_spiderman_431.htm
That was all I could find on it.

And for the record, I don't hate Paul Jenkins. I have nothing against Paul Jenkins.

I just find Origin to be a huge crushing failure that has the potential to ruin the careers and lives of anyone who touches it - creators or readers alike. That's all.

But my hate for that book is mainly based on the fact it exists in the first place, and that's really more of an editorial fault than Paul Jenkin's. Though the story did suck as well, so it's on him too. I've blocked most of my memories of that book, so I can't say too much about it right now.

I did like his run on Spider-Man, and I would recommend that. Definatley, I agree - good stuff. I've also read his new Sentry, and so far it seems pretty cool.

And Inhumans is just damn good, and really it's what makes me unable to have any ill will towards the man. That was an awesome run. I should read that again. I'm kind of bummed out that I don't have my own copy.

I think I'm going to go pick that up today, in fact. Add some more Paul Jenkins to my life today.

[maxx]

Well, not that Magneto's out of the picture, the only man that can fill his shoes is Doom.

oh he'll be back give it 4 months.

[P. Gorath]

my favorite 90s spidey story was erik larson's Revenge of the Sinister Six. Great art, messed up story, much better than Ultimate Six.

[Carpet Lint]

my favorite 90s spidey story was erik larson's Revenge of the Sinister Six. Great art, messed up story, much better than Ultimate Six.
Did Ultimate Six even finish?

I remember it got pushed to seven issues (good old Bendis) and by issue three I had already lost all interest in it.

Everytime I think of that story, I think of Kevin Smith's Spider-Man/Blackcat and his Daredevil mini that went one issue.

[Adam Warlock]

And where the fuck is the Silver Surfer anyway? You think someone who has the powers of a god would show up more often whenever some mutie bitch goes crazy with her power.

Not to get back on this again but... what about Adam FUCKING Warlock. it's his JOB to watch shit like this and he's always monitoring it. Where the hell was he?

Did Ultimate Six even finish?

I remember it got pushed to seven issues (good old Bendis) and by issue three I had already lost all interest in it.

Everytime I think of that story, I think of Kevin Smith's Spider-Man/Blackcat and his Daredevil mini that went one issue.

Yes, and it was garbage. Lackluster fight with every villain getting punked without effort.

[maxx]

Not to get back on this again but... what about Adam FUCKING Warlock. it's his JOB to watch shit like this and he's always monitoring it. Where the hell was he?



Yes, and it was garbage. Lackluster fight with every villain getting punked without effort.

lol he's on vacation..he's god tier and second tier at the exact same time..same with silver surfer.

[Nemesis00]

oh he'll be back give it 4 months.
Nah man, Good ol' Quesada has said that as long as he's EIC, the HoM changes are permanent.

They need to give Elektro his own miniseries, cus he was doing some sick shit during Millar's MK Spidey run.

lol he's on vacation..he's god tier and second tier at the exact same time..same with silver surfer.
Who else besides Starlin knows how to write kickass cosmic beings?

[maxx]

Nah man, Good ol' Quesada has said that as long as he's EIC, the HoM changes are permanent.


or till they lose money again. which ever comes first.

wait so jeans staying dead?!..or is she back yet.

[Seth]

its crazy how much i can relate to this mofo.

i got it yesterday. normally i would read a chapter a day but i couldn't wait.

http://www.newsarama.com/tokyopop/risingstars/MBQ/mbq.jpg

anyone else know about MBQ.


Also, am i the only one who is diggin robert crumb's work.

[Yasashiyama]

its crazy how much i can relate to this mofo.

i got it yesterday. normally i would read a chapter a day but i couldn't wait.

http://www.newsarama.com/tokyopop/risingstars/MBQ/mbq.jpg

anyone else know about MBQ.


Also, am i the only one who is diggin robert crumb's work.
We'll that isn't technically a comic (as in Western) but it's made by an American. I remember reading a part of that where he says that he wants to draw comics but he's tired of the same old crap. In fact, he hated the thought of falling into that category that he prefered cleaning toilets! It's even funnier when he has all these weird characters floatin around in the form of turds!:clap: Very good stuff.

[Zephyranthes]

Man, Robert Crumb is awesome. That's some straight underground bliss right there. I love the stuff he's done with Harvey Pekar on American Splendor. His own stories tend to be a little out there, but even those ridiculous ones (like the one where the Disney-ish Ducks are having sex) make me laugh like crazy. I gotta get that Handbook of Robert Crumb hardcover that came out a few months ago. Book looks sweet.

[Wellman]

Joe Q. said the exact same shit about characters staying dead around the beginning of his term when Jemas was there. Shit as soon as Jemas went out the door, Quesada allowed all the Xmen that were popular but died to come back.

Worst cases are Magneto and Hawkeye though, Bendis seems to like jerking people around ever since he killed the character.

[Zephyranthes]

Well, that's the problem with recognizable superhero comics. People will (and do) complain whenever a certain character dies and whenever a certain character comes back from the dead. Can't please everyone. As readers, all we can do is hope that the creators simply try to tell their stories with as much conviction and passion that they can muster. I guess people are just split when it comes to Bendis, though. Ah well, whaddaya gonna do. Maybe read some more Pantheon comics, I guess.

[vpt_whatup]

IGN.com started putting up reviews of weekly releases. They have a brief review and then some personal comments from the reviewer. It's pretty good for people (like me) who are deciding what to try out.

[box]

Picked up Infinite Crisis 2 and Spider-man The other part 4.

Infinite crisis 2 was a lot better than 1. I really enjoyed this issue. Don't really want to talk about it as doing so would spoil the issue.

Spider-Man by Reggie Hudlin was AWFUL. This guy has no idea how to write comic books at all. Every single character talks in lame ass one-liners that are not funny. And Spider-Woman/Cage have already met MJ and aunt may. WTF Hudlin. Get your head in the game.

[Nemesis00]

Spider-Man by Reggie Hudlin was AWFUL. This guy has no idea how to write comic books at all. Every single character talks in lame ass one-liners that are not funny. And Spider-Woman/Cage have already met MJ and aunt may. WTF Hudlin. Get your head in the game.
THANK YOU!:clap:

[maxx]

Picked up Infinite Crisis 2 and Spider-man The other part 4.

Infinite crisis 2 was a lot better than 1. I really enjoyed this issue. Don't really want to talk about it as doing so would spoil the issue.

Spider-Man by Reggie Hudlin was AWFUL. This guy has no idea how to write comic books at all. Every single character talks in lame ass one-liners that are not funny. And Spider-Woman/Cage have already met MJ and aunt may. WTF Hudlin. Get your head in the game.

if reggie was that bad..that means its part his fault and part the editor and higher ups fault. since they see these scripts beforehand to make any corrections and shit thta need to be made. also have research departments for shit like that.

[box]

Yeah. I also blame the editor. What pisses me off is that Hudlin makes a reference to the tabloids about the MJ and Tony Stark affair which happened in the Amazing Spider-Man New Avengers Arc. Yet his Spider-Woman can't seem to remember MJ/May's name even though they were introduced in the very same Amazing Spider-Man New Avengers Arc. So I blame him because he read the Arc which came out like just before the Other... yet he still made this mistake.

And he's still got 2 more issues after this. Frick.

[FreddyL0c0]

I bought Decimation: Day after House of M and Ghost Rider #3

Well ill start with Ghost Rider since everybody knows already what im about to say.....this issue kicks ass. If there was one thing I disliked was the amount of fuckin ads i this issue. I think the last 11 pages are only ads, which fooled me at first into thinking that this was going to be a longer issue than the previous two.....anywho, still good stuff, any guesses on the purpose of the big ass drill ?


And now Decimation.

Well, I found it average, i dunno, I understand that they wanted to introduce all the new issues in one single book, prob to re-create the Prime effect. Still, I felt that some story elements were shifting way too quickly from one point to another...I guess Claremont felt it was necessary to do so as to englobe the effect on the whole mutant community.

I must say though, this event has found a way into making Quicksilver more interesting without his freakin powers.I will definately pick-up Son of M, seems promoising. Generation M intrigues me solely for Chamber....I dont give a crap about the effects on Jubilee and we already got an apercu of Blob's current condition.

Oh and since when does Colossus do portraits of Wolverine. It was so random....

Wolverine: This is all wrong

Colossus: Whats wrong?

Wolverine: I remember everything now

Colossus: Let me draw u.

okkkkkkk

[Nemesis00]

Day After was pretty good as a set-up issue. After reading this, and New Excalibur, I'll just say that Claremont is poo. I'm still staying on Excalibur to see what he does with Juggernaut.

[Wellman]

Nemesis00: That is Claremont for you, don't expect anything major to be done with Juggernaut or any of the characters, other than maybe a new power or brainwashing. But maybe he will surprise me...

After much consideration, I am officially declaring DC winner of the 2005 'It probably didn't need this many books or tie ins' MEGA event contest. If they do what they appear to be setting up with IC #2, Johns would have to become brain dead to mess up the ridiculious amount of crazy plot lines they have buzzing about.

Not that it couldn't happen, but at this rate, IC #3 will have probably have WW lose to the OMACs and Batman begin to go crazy or make an alliance with someone that seems evil. Which in this series could be anyone, under the freaking sun, but Animal Man.

[m121akuma]

or till they lose money again. which ever comes first.

wait so jeans staying dead?!..or is she back yet.

If Marvel loses money off of HoM and has to put things back to "normal", I am hunting fanboys. Seriously. The first major change in the Marvel universe I have found truly tasteful, and people are gonna fuck it up for their own silly fetishes about mutants. Mags is gonna be human for a while, and you know what? It's BETTER that way. Don't like it, read Ultimate Universe.

[The Bucket Of Truth]

Infinite crisis 2 was a lot better than 1. I really enjoyed this issue. Don't really want to talk about it as doing so would spoil the issue. im not going to pick this up for at least one more month so could you please spoil this for me

edit: did anyone else read hawkman #45 Hawkman vs Golden Eagle? hawkmans death had one of the laziest explanations ive heard in a long time

dr fate: it was all a magic trick
jsa: *GASP*

christ, get the fuck out of here you lazy piece of shit writer. that explantion sucked more arse than a dutch porn star

[ViciousSLASH]

im not going to pick this up for at least one more month so could you please spoil this for me

edit: did anyone else read hawkman #45 Hawkman vs Golden Eagle? hawkmans death had one of the laziest explanations ive heard in a long time

dr fate: it was all a magic trick
jsa: *GASP*

christ, get the fuck out of here you lazy piece of shit writer. that explantion sucked more arse than a dutch porn star

They are going to uncrisis the infinity crisis. Spoiler spoiled.

If you ask me, and I'm one of the biggest Geoff Johns marks around, this story is going nowhere. It's like they are forcing this GIANT cross over down our throats. There's like 23542 different things going on at once. All this shit can't be cleared up in 7 issues, if anyone can do it, Johns can, but I'm REALLY not liking all of this so far.

Best part of the issue was the Joker page, the Joker is one of the most badass villains ever. "Joker's too wild" (NOT FUNNY...)

Ghost Rider on the other hand kept up with it's string of awesome greatness, you know a comic is fucking badass when it seems too short, not because of length, but because you want more.

[Wellman]

im not going to pick this up for at least one more month so could you please spoil this for me





S-P-O-I-L-E-R


SPOILER


spoiler




Superman from Earth-2 is pissed that the DC universe seems to be acting like bitches all the time and is planning on somehow rewriting the universe back to Earth-2 style. Meanwhile Joker is pissed that none of the villians asked him into the new Legion of Doom, Batman talks to a computer and WW is fighting for her nations life.




End of Spoils

[P. Gorath]

is ghost rider MAX or marvel knights? Definitely going to pick up the trade

I thought IC #2 was pretty solid

[Zephyranthes]

edit: did anyone else read hawkman #45 Hawkman vs Golden Eagle? hawkmans death had one of the laziest explanations ive heard in a long time

dr fate: it was all a magic trick
jsa: *GASP*

christ, get the fuck out of here you lazy piece of shit writer. that explantion sucked more arse than a dutch porn star

That is pretty lame. It's still just a smidgen better than that throwaway "IMPOSTER" line in Excalibur, though. At least magic is understood by comic book fans to be the ultimate deus ex machina. I guess for some other comic book fans, Chris Claremont is understood to be the ultimate deus ex machina.

Speaking of Ex Machina, if anyone else loves Brian K. Vaughan's work (and I know ALL of you HAVE to love his stuff, right?), the latest issue of The Amazing Adventures Of The Escapist (#8) features more of his work. Don't know if anyone else has read Michael Chabon's novel The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier And Clay, but you don't really need to have read the novel to read the Escapist comics. It's some great stuff. And this latest issue is the beginning of BKV's new ongoing serial story, and it kicks much flaming buttocks.

[vpt_whatup]

Just got back from Barnes & Noble. They didn't really have that much of a selection, but a one thing did catch my eye. It was an exclusive Ultimate Spiderman Collection (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=S05eQnUCo1&isbn=0760761337&itm=44). It's almost a 1000 pages. I think this is a good way to catch up with the Ultimate Spiderman series without having to buy a bunch of back-issues or even back-issues of graphic novels. Can anybody tell me up to what issue that book goes and what issue the series is at right now?

There were other things that caught my eye, but I wasn't ready to dish out $10+ for a two-hour read.

[vpt_whatup]

By the way, can you guys tell me why the Ultimate series' are so popular? Aren't they just remakes for the most part? Don't they follow the path of the movies as well?

[P. Gorath]

Just got back from Barnes & Noble. They didn't really have that much of a selection, but a one thing did catch my eye. It was an exclusive Ultimate Spiderman Collection (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=S05eQnUCo1&isbn=0760761337&itm=44). It's almost a 1000 pages. I think this is a good way to catch up with the Ultimate Spiderman series without having to buy a bunch of back-issues or even back-issues of graphic novels. Can anybody tell me up to what issue that book goes and what issue the series is at right now?

There were other things that caught my eye, but I wasn't ready to dish out $10+ for a two-hour read.
I have this and it is very nice. If you havent read ultimate spider-man I would definitely recommend it. Out of the 11 arcs I have read I have only not loved 3 of them (venom, ultimate 6, carnage). The barnes and nobles collection collects the first 6 arcs plus all sorts of cool extras. Since it's a hardcover it also prints the comics in an oversized format so the art looks really nice (as opposed to the individual trade paperbacks which are regular comic-sized)
By the way, can you guys tell me why the Ultimate series' are so popular? Aren't they just remakes for the most part? Don't they follow the path of the movies as well?They are less remakes and more re-imagining. All the fun of spider-man without all the baggage. Plus its just really nice having the setting be high school and not middle aged married to soap opera star spider-man. I would say read just the first 4 issues of ult. spiderman and you will instantly get the feel of what it is about.

Amazing Fantasy 15 had about two panels worth of uncle ben before he dies, ultimate spiderman has 3 issues worth, so he becomes a real 3 dimensional character. Thats just an example of the ultimate(and bendis) approach.

[Wellman]

Just got back from Barnes & Noble. They didn't really have that much of a selection, but a one thing did catch my eye. It was an exclusive Ultimate Spiderman Collection. It's almost a 1000 pages. I think this is a good way to catch up with the Ultimate Spiderman series without having to buy a bunch of back-issues or even back-issues of graphic novels. Can anybody tell me up to what issue that book goes and what issue the series is at right now?

There were other things that caught my eye, but I wasn't ready to dish out $10+ for a two-hour read.

Can't tell you what issue exactly, but from the description I would think it probably goes from issue 1 to 38, considering most of the stories are in six issue arcs, that is a lot to read. Currently, I think USM just dropped 85 or so, but the schedule for the series is more than the standard 12 a year so who knows.

By the way, can you guys tell me why the Ultimate series' are so popular? Aren't they just remakes for the most part? Don't they follow the path of the movies as well?

They have similar traits of the movies and they do remake stuff, but not constantly. The Ultimates (Ultimate Avengers) is pretty far and away from the usual Avengers stuff, easily the best book out of the entire line as well. Unlike Ultimate Spiderman, things are pretty gritty in this one, which suits the book like a glove.

Ultimate Spiderman doesn't always follow the classic Spiderman story, it echos a lot of them, but in a number of ways the book has branched itself out, the latest Warriors arc was damned impressive and brought me back to the book after a long time staying away (Ultimate Carnage sucked).

Ultimate X-men is more or less its own beast I think, Millar did a few pretty good arcs early on, but BKV did the best things with the series recently. Kirkman is the next writer so it will stay at least solid.

[vpt_whatup]

Thanks for the input guys. I've decided to pick up a series instead of just getting one-shots all the time. I guess I'll just have to browse a few books and then decide which one.

BTW is it cheaper to pick up that USM Collection than to buy each individual trade-paper-back up to what it covers?

As for what I'm looking for, I like the classic Spider-Man style with the original villains popping up individually and sometimes crossing over. I know that USM has had a lot of the standard villains so would you say this matches the old style the best? I'm assuming that Amazing Spider-Man has all new characters now.

Astonishing X-Men really reminded me of the 90's stuff just as you said. I've got to check out Ultimate X-Men and see how that is.

[Pained Auron]

what's the other about anyway?

[Zephyranthes]

BTW is it cheaper to pick up that USM Collection than to buy each individual trade-paper-back up to what it covers?




I think I got my USM Barnes & Noble Collection for about 40 bucks, so unless you can find a deal on eBay for the first six paperbacks for less than 40, go for the Collection. By the way, the Barnes & Noble Collection collects the first three hardcover collections (each of which collect two trade paperbacks). One individual hardcover alone retails for 30 bucks, so the Barnes & Noble book is a great deal.

I think, I'm not sure on this, but I think Marvel will release a similar Barnes & Noble super hardcover collection of Ultimate X-Men when the X-Men III movie comes out next year.

[DeathScythe]

They are going to uncrisis the infinity crisis. Spoiler spoiled.

If you ask me, and I'm one of the biggest Geoff Johns marks around, this story is going nowhere. It's like they are forcing this GIANT cross over down our throats. There's like 23542 different things going on at once. All this shit can't be cleared up in 7 issues, if anyone can do it, Johns can, but I'm REALLY not liking all of this so far.

Best part of the issue was the Joker page, the Joker is one of the most badass villains ever. "Joker's too wild" (NOT FUNNY...)

Ghost Rider on the other hand kept up with it's string of awesome greatness, you know a comic is fucking badass when it seems too short, not because of length, but because you want more.



You're right. They are undoing Crisis and bringing back the Infinite Earths concept. Now, did you read Teen Titans #29? Notice that "Jason Todd" was wearing a costume almost similar to Earth 2 Robins? I'm starting to believe that they may be the Earth 2 Robin because he looks a little too much like Dick Grayson in that issue. Just a theory.

And Ghost Rider #3: Badass. Best book Marvel is putting out right now.

[box]

what's the other about anyway?

Spider-Man having trouble with his powers. The doctors say that it's terminal and he has no chance of surviving. Also Morlun is in there as well, telling Spidey to get his affairs in order before Morlun takes him out.

So far that's what happened in 4 issues.

[Carpet Lint]

...did Hoss fight Ghost Rider with his giant tentacle penis?

And how does Buttview imply anything other than the fact that he got his head shoved up his anus?

How is this not a MAX book? My virgin eyes!

Ennis is awesome.

[vpt_whatup]

I think I got my USM Barnes & Noble Collection for about 40 bucks, so unless you can find a deal on eBay for the first six paperbacks for less than 40, go for the Collection. By the way, the Barnes & Noble Collection collects the first three hardcover collections (each of which collect two trade paperbacks). One individual hardcover alone ret