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Sano

12-01-2005, 08:12 PM

I was a hardcore Robotech fan but after the first couple of WildStorm comics series, I haven't bothered with this new one. I really liked the novels but it looks like the comics are ignoring those and just sticking strictly with what was in the TV show. Why the heck is this new Shadow Chronicles comic so expensive?! Someone tell me a summary of what's happened so far. Thanks. And when's the new DVD movie coming?

It's more in line with what happened with the one shot TV episode of Robotech Sentinels. The Regis' husband is there and they mention the Wolf Brigade a few times. A lot of the old comics mention both too, so except for comics that answered questions like "what became of Scott Bernard" there aren't that many contradictions at least in the overall plot(until of course the new Anime comes out, more on that later). They also show the Shadow Fighters that appeared in the last few episodes of Robotech New Generation. The characters are a lot older than they appeared in Robotech Sentinels with Rick and Lisa married for a number of years. The story looks like it's taking place just before Robotech the New Generation. The comic book story is a prelude to the new Anime which will answer what happened to Rick Hunter before after and during New Generation. It's mostly the conflict between the Robotech force and the Invid, prior to the Invid taking over the Earth.

After reading about tons of terrible Robotech comics that were so bad I could never finish their series' I'm happy that I can finally get my hands on a comic with good art and story. So I highly recomend this book. At the very least pick it up when a trade comes out. Or just watch the new Anime I guess. The comics do give you a lot of information on the new Anime.

The Anime is going to pick up right where Robotech the New Genearation left off, and still answer the quesion of what happened to Rick Hunter. As you prolly know in Japan Robotech was 3 different shows that were combined into one for the US, but Tatsunoko themselves is handling the Animation on this one and the main guy from Macross (and I think Mospeda too) are helping out with the story! Check out the trailer and site, Scott Bernard in the Hizooooouse!!!

http://www.theshadowchronicles.com/trailer.php?id=tvteaser

Zephyranthes

12-02-2005, 01:15 AM

Cool, thanks for the info and that link. Man, I used to love Robotech so much. It used to be one of my biggest obsessions. I even bought the Perfect Collection Soundtrack for the tenth anniversary back in 1995, Minmei songs and everything. What am I talking about, I still love it and anything new piques my interest. I guess I'm just kinda disappointed with the realization that most Robotech fans didn't like the novels, which is probably why all this new school stuff just sticks to the show. I loved the old show (of course, even I have to admit it's been showing its age for a long time) but the novels really just brought it all to life for my young mind. I'll definitely take what I can get when it comes to new animated Robotech stuff, though, so I'm looking forward to Shadow Chronicles.

Robotech's had tons of comics over the years. I still have a few... The ones where the issues did adaptations of each of the episodes, to a couple of the Sentinels comics by the Waltrip Bros. (aren't they involved in this new comic?). Some of those old comics were just wacky. They had stories about secret SDFs that landed on Earth and I think I even remember an Angelo Dante miniseries where he just went around on adventures kicking butt. Some of them were pretty cool, though. The Sentinels comic was pretty tight, and complemented the novels. There was also a comic about the Malcontent Uprisings (the stuff that took place between the Macross Saga and Robotech Masters/The Sentinels) which was eventually incorporated into the novel The Zentraedi Rebellion. And on that note, I'm sure anyone still reading this has lost interest or has no idea what I'm talking about.

Those recent WildStorm comics didn't impress me too much, though. I guess that's why I decided not to pick up this new comic. The art was nice looking but the stories weren't standouts or anything. The Roy Fokker "Year One" mini, The Max and Miriya one, and the Lancer "Year One" story- I wasn't really blown away by any of those and I basically just kept buying them because it was Robotech. Oh yeah, and the constant use of backup stories felt like they were taking away from the main story. Even though they probably didn't. I'm glad they didn't try to overwhelm the market with Robotech comics like Dreamwave did with Transformers, though.

I hope there is a Shadow Chronicles trade and it's cheaper than paying 3.50 per issue, though. I didn't notice any trades for the other WildStorm Robotech stuff, but it could be I just have poor eyesight.

Sano

12-02-2005, 09:01 AM

I don't know who the Waltrip Bros. are, I could follow the rest of what you said though. The Sentinels comic I recall the best was one about the Wolf Brigade, those were okay. The worst comics I've read where one where Scott Bernard found Rick Hunter in 2 seconds and called up Rand who *e-mailed* Rook the information (they set up the internet on war torn Earth that fast???) and another comic where earth was jacked up and Rook became some eye patch wearing villain no longer with Rand. So it's like one version was too happy, another version was too depressing. Eh, Mospeda Live Love Alive is my true ending to New Generation anyway. :rofl:

Just my guestimate that there will be a trade for the new comic since everything seems to get a trade nowadays and I think this comic is a much bigger project than the previous books. It may depend on how well the new Anime is recieved too. We'll see I guess.

Rugal 3:16

12-03-2005, 12:09 AM

There's an inconsistency in the Comic of Shadow Chronicles in Issue number 1 when TR edwards blasted the SDF-3 causing Lisa's miscarriage, the SDF-3 was designed purple (much like the one in the cancelled Sentinels), but in issue number 2 and 3, the SDF-3 looked closer to the SDF-1..

If Japan is making the Robotech DVD, then THEY (Harmony Gold) MUST HAVE spent a ton of money buying the liscenses of three old animes and putting them together..

And of course Hatrdcore Anime fans still think Robotech is Taboo, I disagree though.

I Really Hate Dustin Nguyen (The artist) and the Infinite Crisis Tie-ins (Villains United, Rann-Thanagar war) at least in House of M you could AVOID all of the related titles but DC forces IC too much the casual reader's throats.

I dunno I'm really so NOT fund of X-men after reading the arc of Mystique disguising as Foxx, It seems the X-men are still more Characterization >>>>>>>>>> Plots (which IMO are ridiculously simple) and IMO Characterization is important.. but when it comes down to just picking one, and letting the other die.. then

Plot > Characterization.. all the way.

Thank god As Mark Waid says DC will stop trying to Ape Marvel's "Realism" post-Crisis (since it doesn't suit DC, it makes them look like Marvel-wannabee's) and go back to the more "Superheroes are larger than life" style that epitomizes superheroes (although really doesn;t attract the demographic with growing Pubic hairs) MINUS the cheese. At least they'll have an Identity of their own again

Luthor a Mad scientist instead of a Wily Businessman... Bring it on!

Zephyranthes

12-03-2005, 04:58 PM

I Really Hate Dustin Nguyen (The artist) and the Infinite Crisis Tie-ins (Villains United, Rann-Thanagar war) at least in House of M you could AVOID all of the related titles but DC forces IC too much the casual reader's throats.

What's Dustin Nguyen have to do with Infinite Crisis? Or were you just ranting? I'm sure you just have him confused with someone else. Nguyen's work on Wildcats Version 3.0 and The Authority kicked all sorts of ass. His Batman art was pretty good, too; shame about the story.

sano- What happens in Live Love Alive?

P.S. Everyone- The Demo paperback collection is coming out this Wednesday. 20 bones for all 12 issues. A great price.

Sano

12-04-2005, 04:19 PM

sano- What happens in Live Love Alive?

Well, nothing. :rofl:

Yellow Belmont (Yellow Dancer to us) performs a bunch of her songs from the Anime stilll wearing drag. Apparently he still has a lot of fans even after revealing to people that she is a he. While he performs those songs they showed clips from the Mospeda (Robotech New Generation to us) Anime. Later without drag he takes a motorcycle and meets up with his friends, (I'll use American names for convenience here) Scott Bernard (back on earth, yay!) Marlene, Rand, Rook, Annie and Lunk who is now sporting a mustache (You see, character growth! :lol:) all holding candles in the night sky waiting for Yellow. Yellow sings to them, they continue to show clips from the Anime and they camp out at night under the stars just like they did a bunch of times during the Anime. Then Yellow Belmont returns home where his wife or live in girlfriend Sara, that Invid with green hair is waiting for him. It's basically all singing with images in the background, no dialogue, so like a bunch of music videos spun together of sorts. You can probably pick this up at any comic book convention for really cheap.

Of the three Animes that were used to make Robotech as you should know by now Macross was the one that took off in Japan spouting various sequels, it's almost like Gundam's distant cousin. Mospeda was cancelled but it had an underground following in Japan. So they made Mospeda Live Love Alive as a concert video for the fans. Then the creators of Mospeda went on to create Bubblegum Crisis and they had a hit on their hands with that.

Zephyranthes

12-06-2005, 11:47 AM

That sounds pretty nice. I've never actually watched any Mospeada but I remember hearing that it was actually a solid show. Interesting that that studio did Bubblegum Crisis; I didn't know that. I actually have the Dark Horse comic adaptation of it by Adam Warren, which he did in the early '90s in his Western-manga style.

Anyone here ever read any Blacksad? One of the coolest, if not THE coolest, French comics ever. The third volume recently came out in France, and hopefully in a couple months we'll get the translated version from iBooks. Meantime, check out these beautiful scans.

http://blacksad-gallery.blogspot.com/2005/11/this-is-preview-of-blacksad-me-rouge.html

FreddyL0c0

12-06-2005, 12:42 PM

did anybody read "The Fountain" ? if so, how was it.

Pained Auron

12-07-2005, 09:30 PM

ggpo ultimates

FreddyL0c0

12-08-2005, 10:19 AM

seriously, that issue was great though......reminded me so much of the Millar's Authority run. cant wait to see where this is gonna go

Wellman

12-08-2005, 10:34 AM

Gonna miss Millar/Hitch after this is all over and done with.

Zephyranthes

12-08-2005, 12:46 PM

I know... The upcoming Loeb/Madureira stuff is even less appetizing now. Not to count 'em out before they even begin, but... Aw, who am I kiddin', there's no way they can top this.

DA GAME

12-08-2005, 12:57 PM

DA GAME wants to know the 411 on Professor Zoom from the Flash series.What's his story?

Preppy

12-08-2005, 01:23 PM

DA PREPPY thinks Wikipedia is helpful (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Zoom).

Geese Pants

12-08-2005, 01:39 PM

ggpo ultimates

Ummmmm...............what now?
The project is done for?

Zephyranthes

12-08-2005, 02:19 PM

Ultimates 2 is ending with issue 12, I believe. Shortly after that, Marvel will relaunch The Ultimates under a new creative team (namely, Jeph Loeb and Joe Madureira), presumably under the name Ultimates 3.

I think the plan is for each volume of Ultimates to last about 12 issues, with each volume featuring one creative team and their overarching story.

box

12-08-2005, 04:03 PM

Some notes on 2006 for the DC universe. Sorta Spoilerish... sorta not.

Wizard posted a multiple choice quiz where each question has 1 correct answer They haven't said what the correct answer is except for question 8 so everybody gets that one right. Anyhow, feel free to discuss/speculate or whatever.

1. Which one of these heroines will give birth in '06
a) Wonder Woman
b) Power Girl
c) Catwoman
d) Oracle

2. Which one of these heroes will be stripped of their powers?
a) Superman
b) Wonder Woman
c) Supergirl
d) Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

3. Who will become mayor of their crime-riddled city?
a) Wally West/Flash
b) Dick Grayson/Nightwing
c) Bruce Wayne/Batman
d) Oliver Queen/Green Arrow

4. Who will have amnesia and become unable to tell friend from foe?
a) Martian Manhunter
b) Aquaman
c) The Atom
d) Elongated Man

5. Who will take the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU?
a) Booster Gold
b) Animal Man
c) Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
d) Earth-2 Superman

6. Which hero will become a criminal in the eyes of the world?
a) Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
b) Superman
c) The Flash
d) Shazam

7. Which one of these heroes is the only one who'll be around after 'Infinite Crisis'?
a) Wally West/The Flash
b) Conner Kent/Superboy
c) Guy Gardner/Green Lantern
d) Dick Grayson/Nightwing

8. Which superteam doesn't survive 'Infinite Crisis'?
a) Justice League of America
b) Justice League of America
c) Justice League of America
d) Justice League of america

9. Who's about to become the U.S. Military's secret weapon?
a) Cyborg
b) Wonder Woman
c) Red Tornado
d) Green Lantern (John Stewart)

10. Which villain will destroy an entire country and kill millions in 2006?
a) Brainiac
b) Sinestro
c) Black Adam
d) Vandal Savage

Magulorist

12-08-2005, 04:42 PM

I read Toxin:Son of Carnage, my very first American comic! Yes i feel very proud despite the fact most of my spider man knowlegde came from the 1990s cartoon show on fox
Does anyone like it?

Pained Auron

12-08-2005, 09:37 PM

Ummmmm...............what now?
The project is done for?

read issue 9.

SPOILERS

the team gets destroyed, and they also reveal the traitor. no surprise to me really.

end spoilers

archetype

12-08-2005, 09:52 PM

finally....It took months but the final issue of secret war is coming out next wed. This comes from the guys at my comic store. Also Astonishing X-men vol 1 comes out too. Thx to box's advice ima cop it. Also, just read Hof f4, shit was dope. Reading hom spiderman 1-5 and after that HoM!!

Wellman

12-08-2005, 10:28 PM

box:
1. c or d
2. b
3. a
4. b
5. c
6. Since a. has been done, probably b or d
7. d. A. is probably retiring, B. and C. look ready for a triumphant sacrifice in the name of big eventism.
8. I can not decide, but they should have had Doom Patrol on there as well.
9. Leaning toward c.
10. a. or b. since C. and D. are both somewhat anti heroes in certain aspects.

Taichi

12-08-2005, 10:31 PM

Just recently bought Origins of Marvel Comics, and Son of Origins

both very solid reads.....good to be able to read some classic issues once in a while......

Carpet Lint

12-09-2005, 12:40 AM

Spoilers, I guess.

So I read Ultimate Vision. The first three parts that have come out so far at least. And I know I hate on Mark Millar a lot in this thread, but he has definately proved himself to be a poor man's Grant Morrison. He's trying to be all trippy and metaphysical with the "number pi multiplied by the smell of meat burning subtract a gentle look between friends" thing, but it just sounds stupid.

Not a bad story so far though. They have JR^2 doing EVERYTHING though. Do they just have a couple of robots in the basement of the House of Ideas that draw whatever miscellaneous book they need? The Sentry, Black Panther, and Ultimate Vision? He's like the artist version of Bendis or Geoff Johns.

Ultimates was wicked, I'm not going to lie. Great "uh oh, we're screwed" issue. This is what JLA should be like. Big, end of the world threats, everything's going to hell, Batman does something cool, and then the heroes get back together and clean up. It had the same feel of a Morrison or Waid JLA story, which I loved.

But AGAIN with the overkill. Why does there need to be thousands and thousands of SHIELD Captain Countries and so many Giant-Men? Can anyone read this book and not immediately feel like it's The Authority?

END SPOILERS

Also picked up Oceans, by Warren Ellis. It's good stuff. I love Warren Ellis' stories, whenever he gets to make stuff up, like in Planetary too. It's as cool as Grant Morrison's stuff, but it actually makes sense and it doesn't seem like he was completely high on drugs while writing it.

Epicurus

12-09-2005, 02:00 AM

bitcommet + free = gg comic shop

Zephyranthes

12-09-2005, 12:53 PM

I just borrowed the Ocean paperback from a friend, and I'm looking forward to reading it. Ellis is one of those guys who isn't one of my favorites, but I'll usually give him a chance. I don't know what it is about his work, but most of it just doesn't resonate with me... And yet, I'm compelled to read anything of his that I possibly can. Planetary, Global Frequency, Ministry of Space, The Authority, some Transmetropolitan, etc. I think my favorite Ellis comic that I've ever read is his Hellblazer stuff. Especially the paperback Haunted. Too bad he left Hellblazer after one arc and a couple issues. Ocean has Chris Sprouse art, though, and that makes it even cooler. Ever since Tom Strong I've been loving that Sprouse art. I wonder what he's been up to lately?

And yeah, everyone needs to hear again that Ultimates dominated this week. I absolutely need The Ultimates 2 hardcover ASAP.

Sheng-Long

12-09-2005, 01:06 PM

yeah its an awesome week for comics, Hard Time (season 2) is also back so I'm actually buying DC comics again.

I love Millar on UFF actually, esp the latest Namor arc but I don't like Greg Land's pencils, I like him as a cover artist but I don't like him doing the interiors.

Zephyranthes

12-09-2005, 01:29 PM

I completely agree. Hard Time is nice. I forgot how cool Steve Gerber's writing is. I read that old Vertigo series of his, Nevada, a few months ago. I should get the Essential Howard the Duck one of these days.

And I feel the same way about Greg Land's art. They make for nice posters, but they're too photoreferenced, or something. I mean, all his women look like porn stars. It's ridiculous and takes me out of the story. The funniest was when Namor looks at Sue and Johnny's mom and he's all, "I won't talk to this wrinkled wench, but I'll talk to her pretty young daughter." And even though Namor calls their mom old and wrinkled, all we see is this hot porn chick with her lips all pouty and shit.

I hate to be the stocky old codger who's always lamenting, "I liked his old stuff better," but when it comes to Greg Land, I really miss his old stuff. His Sojourn was great- attractive without being over the top, but his Nightwing was awesome.

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Oh yeah, and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention this great book I just read last week. It's called Paul Has A Summer Job and it's written and drawn by Michel Rabagliati. It's kind of a coming of age story with a dash of romance and plenty of insight. Okay, so on the surface it sounds a little like Blankets, which was also good, but I think I prefer Paul Has A Summer Job. PHASJ is completely devoid of cynicism in its tone, which is not only refreshing for a story like this, but also challenging to accomplish because the main character actually starts out the story with a good amount of cynicism in his personality. The creator does a stupendous job. So it's a great story that actually shows character growth and development. I highly recommend this book.

Oh yeah, plus the creator is a Canadian, the characters are Canadian, and the story takes place in Canada. That should be reason enough for you Canadian dudes to check this book out. Finally, guys like Clinty and Sheng-Long can have new Canadian comics heroes other than Alpha Flight and Wolverine!!!!!1 eh bub

Carpet Lint

12-09-2005, 02:47 PM

Hurm. I don't know why I called it "Oceans." I mean...there's only really one ocean. Good stuff on correcting it there, Zephy. 'cept next time you can just come out and say "It's OCEAN, you retard." No hard feelings.

I actually like Ultimate Fantastic Four better than any of the other Ultimate books right now. I just flip flop my opinion when this month's Ultimates issue is good. And that's odd, because I love Y The Last Man. For all the crap I say about Mark Millar, I sure do like the books he has now. I used to like Ultimate X-Men a lot back when it first started (...when Millar was writing it...what the hell?). But after a bit it got dry, and it just seems like they had too many characters to work with, and they just throw them in for fun.

The zombie arc in Ultimate Four was good, and that Mad Thinker story with Mike Carey and Jae Lee was awesome. The beginning with Bendis/Millar was meh, and I love the man, but that whole run by Warren Ellis just sucked complete ass.

Greg Land's was much better in Sojourn, no doubt. I think it might have something to do with the inking though - the way they colour it in Ultimate Four is weird. It's like they're trying to make it as photorealistic as possible. But it looked so much better in Sojourn, old school style, that it just doesn't sit as well.

That Namor thing bugged me too. I was reading it, and I was like "Huh? That mom is HOT!" Maybe Ultimate Namor is a pedophile. That would explain the twist at the end. Looks like the ancient Atlantians didn't put up with none of that shit.

Oh yeah, plus the creator is a Canadian, the characters are Canadian, and the story takes place in Canada. That should be reason enough for you Canadian dudes to check this book out. Finally, guys like Clinty and Sheng-Long can have new Canadian comics heroes other than Alpha Flight and Wolverine!!!!!1 eh bub
Don't forget - Superman was created in 1938 by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster.

Joe Shuster was born in TORONTO, baby.

...does it make me unpatriotic if I've never read an issue of Alpha Flight in my life? The only exposure I've had to them is from the cartoon, a couple of appearances in Infinity War/Crusade, and miscellaneous X-books (ie. Deadpool) here and there.

genotox

12-09-2005, 02:51 PM

http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/
For most of your comic viewing needs. And if this has been posted before, oops.

Carpet Lint

12-09-2005, 02:56 PM

http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/
For most of your comic viewing needs. And if this has been posted before, oops.
Why do I get so many homosexual undertones from that site?

EDIT: Haha, oh. I see. Not really "undertones" then...huh. *ahem*

...

Oops.

Sano

12-09-2005, 03:17 PM

My answers...

1. Which one of these heroines will give birth in '06

- C. Catwoman. Didn't you watch Birds of Prey?

2. Which one of these heroes will be stripped of their powers?

- B. Wonder Woman. I don't know, I'd like to see the words Wonder Woman and Stripped in the same sentence.

3. Who will become mayor of their crime-riddled city?

- B. Dick Grayson/Nightwing. Because Devin Grayson doesn't know what the Hell she's doing writing that book.

4. Who will have amnesia and become unable to tell friend from foe?

- A. Martian Hunter since he's the biggest threat. And you can have a multiple comic book crossover because he's that strong...

5. Who will take the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU?

-D. Earth 2 Superman. Gotta keep some version of Supes at the top...

6. Which hero will become a criminal in the eyes of the world?

-D. Shazam. Marvel will try to sue the guy for using the name Captain Marvel, he will escape the law and be on the run.

7. Which one of these heroes is the only one who'll be around after 'Infinite Crisis'?

-D. Dick Grayson. So Devin Grayson can continue to entertain us with her amazing writing talent...

8. Which superteam doesn't survive 'Infinite Crisis'?
a) Justice League of America
b) Justice League of America
c) Justice League of America
d) Justice League of america

This is a tough one, let me think about it...

9. Who's about to become the U.S. Military's secret weapon?

-B. Wonder Woman. Because she strips now...

10. Which villain will destroy an entire country and kill millions in 2006?

-C. Black Adam. He's the one I'm least familiar with and those are the characters they try to hype up nowadays.

box

12-09-2005, 07:51 PM

...does it make me unpatriotic if I've never read an issue of Alpha Flight in my life? The only exposure I've had to them is from the cartoon, a couple of appearances in Infinity War/Crusade, and miscellaneous X-books (ie. Deadpool) here and there.

I think Alpha Flight will appear in an upcoming New Avengers arc. Unsure of what role they will play.

maxx

12-09-2005, 08:30 PM

can anyone help me find the ultimate bone collection? I gotta get it soon since scholastic is coming out with a colored version of the series. i tried the official website but no luck and can't find it on amazon. All i ccan find is like single tradebacks or arc1 and 2 but not the ultimate one.

Zephyranthes

12-09-2005, 09:52 PM

About a year ago, Marvel did a relaunch of Alpha Flight. It died after 10 or 12 issues, though. I read the first paperback. Wasn't that bad, actually. It was kind of a humor-based comic like She-Hulk, except not quite as good. Which is probably why it was cancelled. No one really needs a second-rate version of a niche book. Hurm... I wonder what happened to Major Mapleleaf... Maybe we'll see Major Mapleleaf vs. Captain America in that New Avengers story. My money is on Cap.

But I'm sure Canada has some more good comics and characters. I mean, if France has good comics and legends like Moebius, Canada can't suck. Wasn't Dreamwave Canadian? Oops. Maybe I spoke too soon... Just try not to think about it, I guess.

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http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?pwb=1&ean=9781888963144

It looks like Amazon was currently out of the One Volume Edition. And I couldn't find it on dcbservice.com for some reason. But I found it on Barnes and Noble. I don't think we need to worry about it going out of print, though. I still see it in comic shops and bookstores where I live.

I'm still torn myself. On one hand, I'd love to have that One Volume Edition. But Scholastic's series of paperbacks are in COLOR. And they're only 10 bucks each, and I'd be able to spread my spending over a period of time.

box

12-09-2005, 09:57 PM

Todd McFarlane's canadian as well.

Zephyranthes

12-09-2005, 10:24 PM

Yeah. I didn't think that was a good thing. I'd seriously take Michael Turner- shoot, I'd take Rob Liefeld over McFarlane.

RoninChaos

12-09-2005, 10:37 PM

You're fuckin' crazy.

maxx

12-09-2005, 10:39 PM

You're fuckin' crazy.

co-sign

liefield over mcfarlane?? lets see...who helped change the game and who is still have anatomy issues 20 years in?

Rage02fire

12-09-2005, 10:58 PM

I read ultimates vol.2 number 9 it was tight haven't bought it yet but it's a very great issue though, it's funny loki's been the same guy they kept on showing cameos in the past issues. I picked up ultimate spider man, this week's issue of usm gives a good laugh or 2, also after 3 years of waiting finally black cat and spider man number 4 comes out,[damn you smith for being a slow poke:mad:] I thought it was okay. Friendly nighborhood spider man number 3 was amazingly well done.

Yo has anyone been reading New excalibur?... It's doing better then I thought it would.

Zephyranthes

12-09-2005, 11:15 PM

I knew I'd get some responses to that.

Okay, so McFarlane's got all the success, he's got a multimedia empire, and he's super rich. But that don't make his comics better than Liefeld's. McFarlane's anatomy isn't much better than Liefeld's. So it's been a decade and a half and Liefeld still doesn't draw proper anatomy. At least he still draws, unlike McFarlane, who's apparently too good for this lowbrow comics stuff. They're both guys who are style over substance (to put it nicely).

But McFarlane's got a massive ego that you can even feel through his work. Liefeld is actually a pretty affable guy. He knows he has his haters, but he never acts bitter or mean-spirited in public. His drawings, while ugly and inconsistent, are at least energetic. So damn straight I'll take Rob Liefeld's comics over crap like Spawn. At least Alan Moore wrote a lengthy epic with Supreme. So Neil Gaiman wrote a couple issues of Spawn- but even so Gaiman and McFarlane had to go to court to settle their dispute about character ownership.

I know I opened the Pandora's box here, but I could go on and on with my McFarlane hate. He peaked when his company produced the video for Do The Evolution. Other than that, boo to McFarlane.

box

12-09-2005, 11:38 PM

I'm not a big fan of McFarlane's humans. They kinda look a bit goofy. But when they're in costume... they look really good.

I'm also not a big fan of McFarlane as a writer.

Zephyranthes

12-09-2005, 11:41 PM

Yeah... I have to admit that McFarlane's Spider-Man was awesome. I'm just not a fan of McFarlane at all. Not as a writer, not as an artist, and certainly not as a person.

Rage02fire

12-09-2005, 11:58 PM

Hmm.... naw I'm going have to say Mcfarlane's venom was better then his spidey he did probally the best venom of all time compared to any artist who has drawn venom. IMO he had venom drawn to a perfect description of what venom should look like. From the face to the head, as for his human people I agree to that his shit is always goofy/cartoony styled. His customes are good though and some of his monsters like violator. He hella sucks ass as a writer, I'm glad he decided to leave spawn now the series is getting more intresting with the latest writer.

Wellman

12-10-2005, 01:06 AM

For those of you that don't know Alpha Flight's last story is appearing New Avengers after the next Spider-Woman arc.

You can either start writing him hate mail about destroying the team or start writing him hate mail about changing their name.

Pained Auron

12-10-2005, 01:42 AM

has there ever been an issue of ff where ben and doom fight one on one?

Carpet Lint

12-10-2005, 11:13 AM

We - the nation of Canada - have officially disowned Todd McFarlane.

He kicked off the whole Image thing, which is big, and my cousin owns like the first three thousand issues of Spawn or something, but with the court nonsense over some comic book properties have made me a non-fan of McFarlane.

Plus, anyone who turns their back on making comics is a big jerkoff in my book. I used to hate Jim Lee until Hush, even though he used to be my favourite, since it was largely his X-Men run that got me into comics in the first place. And Joe Mad is still on my bad list.

But as a huge art whore, I have to admit that I rather enjoyed all those spiffy looking chains and guns and stuff from Spawn. And his toys are so awesome.

Aside from aethestics and that though, he's not a huge leap over even Liefeld in terms of drawing people, and basic storytelling. ...well, anyone's a huge leap over Liefeld, but McFarlane's not that great of an artist apart from drawing lots of cool accessories on his characters. He's in the Pat Lee tier. Or Pat Lee's in the McFarlane tier. I don't think the Image/Top Cow-styled art that was cool five or ten years ago is as popular now, with all these new artists and styles popping up. And so now people can objectively look back at that type of art and not be distracted by the shiny boots, shoulder pads, and ridiculously big guns. And scuff marks on every goddamn surface.

And I don't know about my canucks in Edmonton, but that alternate jersey he designed for the Oilers fucking sucks.

His Spider-Man run revolutionized the character though. Have to give him that.

McFarlane's a huge name in comics, and changed a lot of things (I don't know for the good or for the bad), but he's an ass. And his comics wouldn't be good enough in this age to justify picking them up over others. Though that's true for like 80% of the top twenty comics each month.

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Yeah, I forgot about Dreamwave being based in Toronto. Markham, specifically, which is my hood. My upper middle class hood. My comic book shop was the main hook-up for them too. The less said about Dreamwave the better though.

I don't have anything against UDON though. I think most of them work out of Markham too. My shop got hook-ups like convention editions of Street Fighter #0 and stuff.

Zephyranthes

12-10-2005, 11:28 AM

UDON is pretty cool. I think some of the artists who are involved in BKV's Runaways are Canadian, too. Or they live in Canada. That's enough to cover the shame of McFarlane.

Kim Sue-il

12-10-2005, 01:08 PM

The one good thing that McFarlane did during his Spider-Man run, was making The Lizard a badass character at the time during the "Torment" storyline.

ViciousSLASH

12-10-2005, 01:33 PM

. And his toys are so awesome.

Aside from aethestics and that though, he's not a huge leap over even Liefeld in terms of drawing people, and basic storytelling. ...well, anyone's a huge leap over Liefeld, but McFarlane's not that great of an artist apart from drawing lots of cool accessories on his characters. He's in the Pat Lee tier.

His toys are unmovable statues which cost too much. Very cool looking, but they fucking can't move which is annoying. I enjoy the sports toys though, Marvel Legends > The 3435235 billion different versions of spawn.

And lots of cool accessories being added to a character to make them look cool is one of the most important rule of hack character design 101.

UDON is cool, but they really haven't done anything amazing, they are like the image of the 90's with all the trends they follow. Video games, a bunch of digital art, and not very good original stories. They have nice colorists though.

Zephyranthes

12-10-2005, 10:31 PM

I still have a copy of Torment lying around. He drew a mean-looking Lizard, but the story was so pathetic. I don't think I've ever read a cool Lizard story. The only one I remember was that Amazing Spider-Man issue from the early '90s with the hologram cover (black border). And I mainly remember that one because I was a kid when I got it and it had a hologram cover.

Remember a couple years ago when Marvel tried doing their Tsunami imprint? If I remember properly, Udon did some of the art for some of those. The one that stood out to me was Sean McKeever's Sentinel comic. That was actually good. The art actually fit the story. McKeever also did a couple of Mary Jane comics that might have had UDON coloring. Those were good, too. Much better than Street Fighter or whatever else UDON makes these days. Plus, they even did Deadpool and Agent X with Gail Simone. Those kicked butt.

Man, I had such high hopes for Street Fighter. I supported that comic for a whole year but I just couldn't keep on buying it forever just because it was Street Fighter; I still have standards. I wish Udon would just do more art for other companies' writers. I think their house style is pretty appealing. It's probably pretty attractive to the kids who only like anime and manga and are completely opposed to other types of comics art. That's why it'd be good for that kind artwork to be in comics like Spider-Man and stuff. I bet kids would buy Spider-Man manga if it were done properly.

DeathScythe

12-10-2005, 11:41 PM

So I just finished reading last weeks crop of purchases. They were fairly good books. ALTHOUGH: WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN SPIDER-MAN!!!???? This 'Evolve or Die' thing has me worried. Spidey just "died" in the last issue. And then theres the cover with him in the cocoon. Is it supposed to be some sort of revamp or something?

And for some reason, I think I'm gonna stop buying Powers single issued. For some reason it feels empty reading the book one issue at a time. The paperbacks seem so much better.

And yes, this months Ultimates kicked much ass. And as pointed earlier by Carpet Lint, this book is what JLA should be. The drama and all that crazy insane "We're fucked" situations just seems so appropriate for JLA. But of course JLA hasn't been like that since Grant Morrison left the book.

Ultimate Namor is pretty odd. I'm really not feeling the twist on his character. I've never really seen Greg Lands work on Sojourn but I'm really liking the stuff hes putting out in UFF. I dig it.

And is it true that Jeph Loeb and Joe Mad are gonna be doing Ultimates vol. 3? If so, then Goddamn is that gonna sell. After all, its the return of Joe Mad in mainstream comics. Although I'm feeling queezy as to Jeph Loeb writing a book like that.

maxx

12-11-2005, 02:42 PM

so it looks like ultimate juggs and movie juggs are insynch

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=41369

Nemesis00

12-11-2005, 06:27 PM

Yeah but atleast Ultimate Juggernaut just got the Gem of Cytorrak. Now that 616 Juggs is all pussified, I have to rely on Ultimate Juggernaut for all my badassery unstoppable needs.

X3 Juggernaut is just crap.

Wellman

12-11-2005, 06:48 PM

SPOILER

I though Ultimate Gambit took Ulti. Juggs with him in the annual?

End of SPOILER

maxx

12-11-2005, 06:58 PM

i wanna pick up stuarts run on ultimate...he's one of my favorite artists now.

RoninChaos

12-11-2005, 10:51 PM

REally? I don't like his artwork, at all. Everybody looks like a fucking retard.

Preppy

12-11-2005, 11:52 PM

Props to whoever suggested "Invincible". I'm really digging that right now. :tup:

Intriguingly, the latest Lucifer almost tries to make sense of what the hell is going on.
I'm not sure how Top Ten is going to be able to wrap up in one more issue... ?

Marvel Zombies #1 (http://www.thexaxis.com/misc/marvelzombies1.htm) didn't cover a lot of ground, but if you like zombies... it's interesting.

archetype

12-12-2005, 02:36 AM

Just read House of M 1-8, HoM spiderman 1-5. Now reading decimation. All I got to say is:

HOLY SHIT!!

OmNiExiZt

12-12-2005, 03:28 AM

I just recently bough Ultimate X-men Vol. 5-12. I had kind of put it off for about a year now and just decied to pick them all up. I've got a lot of reading ahead of me. But I'll be glad to finally catch up with the Ultimate X-men storyline.

*ONEZ*

Zephyranthes

12-12-2005, 11:35 AM

Yeah, last I heard Jeph Loeb and Joe Mad are still on board for Ultimates 3. I think Jeph Loeb is a decent writer. He's written some pretty average/mediocre stuff like Superman and Superman/Batman, and Supergirl. But he's capable of very good books like The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, and the Marvel "Color" series (Spider-Man: Blue, Daredevil: Yellow, Hulk: Gray).

Problem is, all those very good books were with Tim Sale. And Joe Mad isn't one tenth the artist Tim Sale is. And even Loeb/Sale isn't completely infallible. Batman: Haunted Knight and Gambit/Wolverine sucked pretty bad. But then again, those two books were early Loeb/Sale books.

I saw some of the character sketches Joe Mad has been working on for Ultimates 3, and they don't look promising. Basically, it looks like he's trying to make the costumes look more superhero-ish and more similar to the 616 characters. It seems like the tone of Ultimates 3 will move away from the Millar/Hitch tone of supermen in the real world and move towards "superheroes in a superhero world."

P. Gorath

12-12-2005, 11:42 AM

I have been re-reading all of ultimate spider-man and I have re-evaluated my opinion on the Carnage storyline. The first time through I liked it all except Venom, Ultimate Six, and Carnage. I like about half of Venom, still dont like Ultimate Six but I have now warmed to Carnage. I think if you take it on its own and not as a re-telling of the regular carnage it is actually pretty cool. Ult. Spidey needed some tragedy at that point and it was a good way to do it. Also I guess I wasnt as upset about gwen dying the second time around

Zephyranthes

12-12-2005, 12:24 PM

Hey, check out these hilarious drawings I found! Too funny.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=news/sentinel2pg1.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=news/sentinel3pg13.jpg

Nemesis00

12-12-2005, 12:39 PM

Wow, those Sentinel pics are awesome!

Adam Warlock

12-12-2005, 12:43 PM

yeah its an awesome week for comics, Hard Time (season 2) is also back so I'm actually buying DC comics again.

WTF? Worst. Comic. Ever. The dialogue is crap, and the arwork is the artist's interpretation of the scent of said crap. The story is interesting, but it isn't executed well. :tdown: and no season 2 for me.

Zephyranthes

12-12-2005, 01:38 PM

I can handle it if you don't like it, but we WERE just talking about McFarlane and Liefeld a page ago. So by default, it isn't the Worst Comic Ever.

RoninChaos

12-12-2005, 02:10 PM

P. Gorath

12-12-2005, 02:13 PM

interesting, I have been meaning to pick up the game once it gets a little cheaper.

Nemesis00

12-12-2005, 09:05 PM

Starlin is writing a new Thanos series, again...

Carpet Lint

12-12-2005, 10:38 PM

Haha, AWESOME!!!

Kid Wonder, where you at? Thanos is back, baby!

When will they stop giving Starlin Thanos stories to write? Infinity Gauntlet was the only good one. War, Crusade, Abyss, The End...dammit, LET IT GO. I can't complain about seeing more Thanos though. Ron Lim pencils? HMM!?! I'm keeping my fingers crossed...

If they get Ron Lim though, they need to colour it old school style. Like...with colour plates or whatever. Where you can still see individual dots of colour and such. No computers! Ah...good times.

Ron Lim - absolute undisputed king of the energy blast.

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And that picture of Galactus getting whalooped by a Sentinel is too good.

I think the name *O*N*E* or something is hilarious too. So stupid. It's like a junior high Asian student's MSN handle.

¤º°`°º¤ø,¸sEcREtOrI_oF_DeeFeNNcEz¸,ø¤º°`°º¤

Ah yeah.

Wellman

12-12-2005, 11:11 PM

The only way the Ultimate Carnage storyline could be fully redeemed in my eyes is if in the upcoming (if you believe they seriously announced it) Ultimate Clone Saga, Carnage returns but is now a clone of Gwen Stacy with her full memories. Then you would have brand new and interesting twist on a older story especially since Bendis works better with personal stories like this.

Otherwise, we will get a lot of crap, although the previous Warriors storyline got me liking the book again.

Zephyranthes

12-12-2005, 11:36 PM

Dude, old school dot-coloring on a Ron Lim cosmic story would dominate! I was just flipping through my old issues of Infinity War a couple days ago. (They're on my coffee table. Don't ask.) The story wasn't very good but those Silver Surfer power blasts and Galactus eye flare-ups were sweet. Ron Lim always drew those cosmic guys hardcore. Even their eyes had energy flare-ups- man, even their mouths would open and flare up inside.

soup or man

12-13-2005, 01:46 AM

Anybody else think this decimation business is boring so far? They keep telling us that >90% of the mutants have lost their powers...but all of the important ones still have them. The only "real" mutant to have their powers stripped has been Lorna. She'll probably have them back by next month, just like Iceman. What do we have so far, Chamber? Not Chamber! They're planning on spicing this up by introducing a 3rd Summers brother? Yawn fest '06 in the making. 616 needs some serious help. The New Avengers can't do it all on their own.

Sheng-Long

12-13-2005, 07:05 AM

Oh yeah, and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention this great book I just read last week. It's called Paul Has A Summer Job and it's written and drawn by Michel Rabagliati. It's kind of a coming of age story with a dash of romance and plenty of insight. Okay, so on the surface it sounds a little like Blankets, which was also good, but I think I prefer Paul Has A Summer Job. PHASJ is completely devoid of cynicism in its tone, which is not only refreshing for a story like this, but also challenging to accomplish because the main character actually starts out the story with a good amount of cynicism in his personality. The creator does a stupendous job. So it's a great story that actually shows character growth and development. I highly recommend this book.

Oh yeah, plus the creator is a Canadian, the characters are Canadian, and the story takes place in Canada. That should be reason enough for you Canadian dudes to check this book out. Finally, guys like Clinty and Sheng-Long can have new Canadian comics heroes other than Alpha Flight and Wolverine!!!!!1 eh bub

sounds great I just requested it at the library.

I know that sounds hella ghetto but if you knew how huge the Toronto Library's graphic novel collection is, you'd be crazy not to use it. Taxes pay for it anyway !! There's 31 copies of that book and only 3 are out so if anyone is in the the city check it out !

But I'm sure Canada has some more good comics and characters. I mean, if France has good comics and legends like Moebius, Canada can't suck. Wasn't Dreamwave Canadian? Oops. Maybe I spoke too soon... Just try not to think about it, I guess.

Udon is Toronto/Markham based. I went to highschool with Arnold Tsang, cool guy, I can't remember a moment in highschool when he wasn't drawing or painting. They are self-publishing now and I think that's great but I think they should hire more/better writers if they are gonna pump out their own titles.

I don't think we have a lot going on when it comes to superhero titles but he have a lot of smaller independent creators/graphic novelists.

I think Dave Sim's "Cerebus" and Chester Brown's "Louis Riel" are great enough to cover McFarlane's shame. LOL

...does it make me unpatriotic if I've never read an issue of Alpha Flight in my life? The only exposure I've had to them is from the cartoon, a couple of appearances in Infinity War/Crusade, and miscellaneous X-books (ie. Deadpool) here and there.

!!!

... I don't blame you though, Alpha Flight blows. I think the old Byrne ones are the best ones and that whole arc with Diamond Lil getting cancer was great (around issue 100-101 I think?)

If Bendis/Editorial team is killing the team off in New Avengers I got no problem with it (its not like Alpha Flight characters are active anyway), but I doubt they'll kill everyone. They'll probably save a few and start Avengers North (maybe Wolverine will leave Avengers to go back North and lead that team)

WTF? Worst. Comic. Ever. The dialogue is crap, and the arwork is the artist's interpretation of the scent of said crap. The story is interesting, but it isn't executed well. and no season 2 for me.

To each his own I guess. I think its pretty solid for a teen title, the Columbine parallels in the beginning made me roll my eyes but then it didn't dwell on that so it wasn't distasteful.

Speaking of which, Why isn't there a trade out for the first season? If there is one I can't find it in any comic book store here.

If they get Ron Lim though, they need to colour it old school style. Like...with colour plates or whatever. Where you can still see individual dots of colour and such. No computers! Ah...good times.

co-sign.
yeah thats what they should do. It will fit the book much better. I don't like the colors on (adjectiveless) X-men, and UFF but I like the way the colors on Daredevil are handled because it fits Maleev's style nicely.

Anybody else think this decimation business is boring so far? They keep telling us that >90% of the mutants have lost their powers...but all of the important ones still have them. The only "real" mutant to have their powers stripped has been Lorna. She'll probably have them back by next month, just like Iceman. What do we have so far, Chamber? Not Chamber! They're planning on spicing this up by introducing a 3rd Summers brother? Yawn fest '06 in the making. 616 needs some serious help. The New Avengers can't do it all on their own.

Its too early to say...I mean 2 weeks ago the cry was "How can they do that to Iceman? He's been with the X-men in the beginning !!!" now the cry is "See they reverted Iceman back already !!! I told you this won't last".

I'll wait until the other decimation titles are out after all we don't know the whole picture yet nor do we have all the variables to solve the equation (Who's the guy on X-men Deadly Genesis? Where the hell is Professor X?)

maxx

12-13-2005, 07:18 AM

haha does this remind anyone else of that native american guy who cries when he finds trash on the ground but x10

http://www.starlin.com/media/namor23.jpg

ok whoevers starlins webmaster needs to be shot..good fuckin god annoying to navigate his kidkosmos website..but judging by the wackiness of it...he must of did it.

check it http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104965

Nemesis00

12-13-2005, 01:24 PM

06 seems to be the year of cosmic goodness over at Marvel. SOLITS!.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52261

ANNIHILATION: PROLOGUE
Written by KEITH GIFFEN
Penciled by SCOTT KOLINS & ARIEL OLIVETTI
Cover by GABRIELE DELL’OTTO
This is it! 48 pages of cosmic guts and glory! If you want to see your favorite cosmic level heroes and villains, you dare not miss ANNIHIALTION: PROLOGUE! This 48 page (NO ADS!) book is written by Keith Giffen (DRAX THE DESTROYER, THANOS), and features the stunning art of Scott Kolins & Ariel Olivetti. This is the book to read for the NEXT YEAR’S worth of cosmic stories! Get in on the ground floor as Marvel raises these great characters from the ashes!
Heroes will die. Villains and heroes will form allegiances. Empires will fall.
FEATURING: NOVA, SILVER SURFER, THANOS, DRAX THE DESTROYER, RONAN THE ACCUSER, AND THE SUPER-SKRULL!
Retailers take note: this issue kicks off a cosmic event starting in April!
48 PGS (NO ADS)/T+ SUGGESTED FOR TEENS AND UP ...$3.99

INFINITY WAR TPB
Written by JIM STARLIN
Penciled by RON LIM, TOM RANEY, ANGEL MEDINA
& SHAWN MCMANUS
Cover by RON LIM
After Adam Warlock’s return in INFINITY GAUNTLET, his worse half -- the Magus --wasn’t far behind! The struggle for ultimate power over the universe continues when a stockpile of evil twins overwhelm the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, the X-Men, the New Warriors, Alpha Flight and more! Will the universe be saved, destroyed...or both? Collects INFINITY WAR #1-6, MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #108-111 and WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #7-10.
392 PGS./ T+ SUGGESTED FOR TEENS AND UP ...$29.99
ISBN: 0-7851-2105-6

SILVER SURFER: REBIRTH OF THANOS TPB
Written by JIM STARLIN & SCOTT EDELMAN
Penciled by RON LIM & MIKE ZECK
Cover by RON LIM
The quest that led to INFINITY GAUNTLET begins here! Back from the dead, Thanos is after the power to bring the rest of the universe with him on a return trip! Can the Silver Surfer, Drax the Destroyer and others stop the cosmic iconoclast before he uses reality as a token of his affection for Death? Special guest-appearance by the Impossible Man! Featuring a rare Thanos solo story not seen in almost thirty years! Collects SILVER SURFER #34-38, THANOS QUEST #1-2 and the Thanos backup from LOGAN’S RUN #6.
224 PGS./T+ SUGGESTED FOR TEENS AND UP ...$24.99
ISBN: 0-7851-2046-7

DRAX THE DESTROYER: EARTH FALL TPB
Written by KEITH GIFFEN
Pencils & Cover by
MITCH BREITWEISER
The crash of an interstellar prison transport spells big trouble for an isolated Alaskan town when Paibok the Power Skrull, Lunatik, the Blood Brothers and Drax the Destroyer come calling. It’s not a social call. Oh... and you think you know Drax? Big, green and not all that bright – is that the Drax you’re thinking about? You don’t know Drax! This collection hits just in time for Drax’s pivotal role in the Universe-shattering “ANNIHILATION” event beginning this month!
Collects DRAX THE DESTROYER #1-4.
96 PGS./T+ SUGGESTED FOR TEENS AND UP ...$10.99
ISBN: 0-7851-1806-3

Kim Sue-il

12-13-2005, 02:06 PM

I pray to god no one is reading that god awful Spider-Man: The Other "Evolve or Die" Arc. Are they trying to retcon his whole origin with that piece of shit Totem arc JMS wrote before he trashed Gwen Stacy in Sin's Past. Just in case some of you (which I'm pretty sure most of you know if your in this thread) don't know, this is your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. JMS must want to leave his mark behind really bad in the Spidey books.

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badface41sw.jpg

Wellman

12-13-2005, 02:08 PM

haha does this remind anyone else of that native american guy who cries when he finds trash on the ground but x10

http://www.starlin.com/media/namor23.jpg

Namor looks a bit 'strange' in that picture.

Damn a lot of interesting books are coming out of Marvel, can't wait to see where Marvel plans to take their cosmic characters, although a crappy rumor has me worried. Oh well, hopefully it will not all tie into their next big crossover event like a poorly hidden IC knock off.

Nemesis00

12-13-2005, 02:08 PM

Yes, god forbid anyone make any changes to Spider-Man.

box

12-13-2005, 05:43 PM

Geese Pants

12-13-2005, 05:49 PM

So basically...................that was MJ getting pieced out?

Nemesis00

12-13-2005, 08:39 PM

Nah, Morlun.

More news on this Annihilation thing.
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=52298

ANNIHILATION:PROLOGUE – written by Keith Giffen (Legion of Super-Heroes, Justice League, DRAX THE DESTROYER, HOWLING COMMANDOES) and art by Scott Kolins (AVENGERS, MARVEL-TEAM UP) and Ariel Olivetti (Space Ghost).

SILVER SURFER – written by Keith Giffen and art by Renato Arlem (IMPERFECTS)

SUPER-SKRULL – written by Javier Grillo-Marxuach (ABC’s “Lost”, The Middle Man) and art by Greg Titus (Syn, ICEMAN)

NOVA – written by Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning (Legion of Super-Heroes) and art by Kev Walker (EXILES)

RONAN THE ACCUSER – written by Simon Furman (DEATH’S HEAD, TRANSFORMERS UK) and art by Jorge Lucas (INHUMANS, COLOSSUES: BLOODINE)

ANNIHILATION – the 6-issue coda to the event that gathers all the players together, written by Keith Giffen!

That one cover looks sick.

Wellman

12-13-2005, 09:12 PM

It finally sounds like Marvel is doing the epic event I wanted HoM to be. Let's see if it all turns out good.

But damn, between this, the Planet Hulk thing, the New Universe revival, and the Illuminati thing they are supposed to have I think Millar work on, Marvel is going to have a hard time properly promoting all this stuff at once.

Geese Pants

12-13-2005, 09:22 PM

Nah, Morlun.

Wow...............Marvel pretty much fucked up one of my favorite characters. I'll be haning out on DC for a while.

Green Lantern is the read!

Zephyranthes

12-13-2005, 09:25 PM

sounds great I just requested it at the library.

I know that sounds hella ghetto but if you knew how huge the Toronto Library's graphic novel collection is, you'd be crazy not to use it. Taxes pay for it anyway !! There's 31 copies of that book and only 3 are out so if anyone is in the the city check it out !

Man, libraries are awesome. I discovered Paul Has A Summer Job at one of my local libraries here in San Francisco. There are tons of goodass comics I discovered thanks to the power of libraries.

---

Wow, a paperback collection of the Infinity Gauntlet Prologue? Man, I need those Silver Surfer comics. If only that book were cheaper. I bet Marvel is gonna recolor the comics, too, so we won't be getting the old school dot look. I know that there's no way that those comics could have aged gracefully, but I kinda want that book if only for the Zeck and Lim art and the nostalgia factor.

maxx

12-13-2005, 09:36 PM

marvels cosmic heros are back in muthafuckin full force. i haven't bought marvel lately but i want those!

Pained Auron

12-13-2005, 09:39 PM

ima buy aquaman tomorrow. i feel dirty

Zephyranthes

12-13-2005, 10:10 PM

Buying Aquaman, eh? What's the occasion?

Oh yeah, check this out.
http://www.time.com/time/2005/100books/the_complete_list.html
Time Magazine's list of 100 greatest English language books since 1923. Look under "W."

Uh baby, UH. Represent.

Nemesis00

12-13-2005, 10:18 PM

What's so special about White Noise?:wgrin:

Pained Auron

12-13-2005, 10:46 PM

Buying Aquaman, eh? What's the occasion?

aquaman vs spectre. i wanna see him (AQ) get owned

Zephyranthes

12-13-2005, 11:01 PM

Haha, that's great. Aquaman getting owned just doesn't get old.

maxx

12-14-2005, 10:37 AM

how to market to black people marvel style..wtf hip hop faithful..fuck u marvel

BLACK PANTHER: WHO IS THE BLACK PANTHER TPB
Written by REGINALD HUDLIN
Pencils & Cover by JOHN ROMITA JR.
The Wakandan super hero is back with Hollywood heavyweight Reginald Hudlin (House Party, Boomerang) and fan-favorite John Romita Jr. (WOLVERINE, AMAZING SPIDER-MAN) teaming up to deliver a new take on T’Challa that’s sure to excite both True Believers and the hip-hop faithful. The Black Panther’s origin is retold here in cinematic scope with social satire and all-out action.

The Bucket Of Truth

12-14-2005, 10:55 AM

nice. i hope to see black panther rapping, playing basketball, eating chicken and telling jokes about how massive his wang is

maxx

12-14-2005, 11:00 AM

nice. i hope to see black panther rapping, playing basketball, eating chicken and telling jokes about how massive his wang is

my favorite ad was the storm mini series...where they the untold story of marvels two most prominent black super heros..fucker their the only prominent black super heros. storm and panther.

OrangeCat

12-14-2005, 12:41 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/PorridgeBoy/rofl.gif

OC

The Bucket Of Truth

12-14-2005, 01:08 PM

haha

FreddyL0c0

12-15-2005, 08:12 PM

bought three books today

1. Son of M 1: solid issue, didnt think Pietro could bbe more interesting as a loser than a speedster. Mini-series definately has potential.. though the art was too grainy for my taste(apart for the cover, which is sick). Then again, the inking was probably done that way to really reflect Quicksilver's pathetic state.

2. X-Factor 1: what a great read....unpredictable in every way, especially that last page....definately gonna keep up with that series. Strongly recommended for anybody who liked David's Madrox run.

3. The Fountain: Haven't finished it yet, but so far, its weirdly intriguing. The art is great, story seems cool enough. Aronofsky did a good job. This book is also gonna go to the movies, and it will star Hugh Jackman and Rachel Weiz (the girl from the Mummy series). Gonna watch it for sure when it comes out.

Wellman

12-16-2005, 12:05 AM

Marvel still hasn't changed that solicit? Damn, they must got nothing but white folk working in their marketing department to not see what is wrong with that solicit. Also the first BP arc, outside of the serviceable first issue, is trash and I am indeed pissed that it is collected before any of Priest's better story arcs.

Bastards only collected the first 12 issues and this was while the title was still actually going on issue 35 or so, while title ended at or past 60 issues.

box

12-16-2005, 12:25 AM

Picked up Secret War and the Other part 8 this week.

Secret War #5 came out 2 years after #1 came out. I can't believe I waited 2 years for this. Issue 5 is typical Bendis issue. All dialogue.

The other part 8. Spidey is getting reborn. Solicits say he'll have new powers.

Zephyranthes

12-16-2005, 12:26 AM

I know. You know how Marvel has their "Essential" line? I wish they'd do some Essential collections of more recent comics. Priest's Black Panther would be awesome in that format. They could fit the whole series into 3 or 4 books. I don't see why Marvel (and DC, for that matter) don't do more cheap reprints of titles that were produced in the past decade or so.

archetype

12-16-2005, 01:23 AM

P. Gorath

12-16-2005, 10:24 AM

i want essential darkhawk, sleepwalker, power pack, cloak and dagger, and robocop

The Bucket Of Truth

12-16-2005, 10:50 AM

is the robocop comic any good or does it suck like robocop 3?

P. Gorath

12-16-2005, 10:58 AM

the robocop comic is very good actually. the 23 issue series from the early 90s is definitely a hidden gem that is cheap and available. The series was pretty dark for a marvel book and very disturbing in parts. The art was pretty consistantly good (nothing spectacular but better than most of the dark horse stuff). One of the best storylines was a 2-parter, i think it was issue #9 and #10 where a bunch of vigilantes pop up over old detroit (beer gut man, doc chainsaw, etc) with hilarious and gruesome effect. Some of Garth Ennis' early Punisher work reminds me of the robocop series.

The Bucket Of Truth

12-16-2005, 11:39 AM

thanks

i would also like to hear your opinion on robocop 3

P. Gorath

12-16-2005, 11:54 AM

robocop 3 is complete ass. the tv series was better than 3. not even the comic book adaptation of 3 made any sense. they should have made robocop vs terminator instead

Zephyranthes

12-16-2005, 01:33 PM

Secret War #5 was good, but the story is more engrossing when taken as a whole. Reading 24 pages at a time spread out over 22 months just doesn't have the same impact. Those text-based profiles and transcripts at the end of each issue added very little to the story, too.

The other comic I got this week was Local #2, which is top tier. Similar to Demo, but without weird superpowers and with a recurring character.

Hey Psycho, who worked on this early '90s Marvel Robocop comic? And is there anywhere online or anyplace I can find them?

XTG

12-16-2005, 01:36 PM

just picked up Fist Of The North Star Master Edition vol #1...looks good and for $5.98 too...

P. Gorath

12-16-2005, 01:45 PM

Lee Sullivan was the artist (cover artist too) for all of the run and there were a variety of writers. Surprisingly, it looks like www.robocoparchive.com has all of the issues scanned in their "comics" section.

Zephyranthes

12-16-2005, 01:53 PM

Oh, cool. Thanks for the link.

Nemesis00

12-16-2005, 02:35 PM

The Civil War is coming...

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=52549

maxx

12-16-2005, 02:41 PM

The Civil War is coming...

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=52549

10 bucks dc bought marvel, thats why this whole summer has been about ripping each others ideas off.

P. Gorath

12-16-2005, 02:59 PM

10 bucks dc bought marvel, thats why this whole summer has been about ripping each others ideas off.
this isnt professional wrestling :rofl:

maxx

12-16-2005, 03:06 PM

this isnt professional wrestling :rofl:

close enough.

The Bucket Of Truth

12-16-2005, 03:11 PM

robocop 3 is complete ass. the tv series was better than 3. not even the comic book adaptation of 3 made any sense. they should have made robocop vs terminator insteadi only saw a few episodes of that tv series but that robocop was a total soft cock. there would always be a chandelier or a fan he could shoot to drop onto a villian to avoid blowing their brains out and whenever there was the slightest bit of action you didnt see shit

reminded me of jag. god i hated jag

archetype

12-17-2005, 02:59 AM

I never knew that the group that consisted of Iron Man, Strange, Xavier, etc.. was called the illuminati. When did they start meeting?

The Void

12-17-2005, 09:22 AM

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=6316

Says they've been meeting since a little after the Kree-Skrull War.

Pained Auron

12-17-2005, 12:50 PM

ggpo atlantis

Carpet Lint

12-17-2005, 01:10 PM

Neat.

I don't really care that much about it either way, but any story with more Black Bolt is welcome.

That guy is the motherfucking pimp of the Marvel Universe.

___________

I was studying in the library for exams, needing something to do other than study for exams, I checked out Paul Has A Summer Job.

And reading it made me feel bad I don't check out more "independent" stuff more, and it makes shit like Secret War and all that Claremont stuff look even shittier.

I realize it's a different genre completely, and obviously the writing styles and methods are different...but it just makes so many comic book writers look so poor. It's just weird to see how good of a story he wrote, working without the benefits of thirty year-old characters with established backstories and familiarities and all that stuff. Or maybe it makes it much easier. I don't know.

I loved that book, and now I need to check out more.

I liked that cynicism comment. The story is charming, definately. Tons of charm. I loved the art, too. It's just so...simple. And so...efficient. There's so many distinguishable and distinct characters, and Rabagliati can draw so much expression and character with just like five lines. It makes me think of guys like Michael Turner or Jim Lee who fit so much incredible detail into their pencils, but all their characters end up looking the exact same in the end anyway.

I checked out Paul Moves Out as well. I didn't like it as much as - probably because the summer job story resonates more with me than the married/move out/kids type of story.

Good stuff. I still love the stupid superhero stuff, but the more good writing I taste, the more I want. You read an excellent book, and it just raises your standards. You can't go back.

I should never have started reading Vertigo stuff. Now I'm hooked to good writing.

DAMN ME. I need to start getting away from the Marvel/DC stuff.

box

12-17-2005, 01:19 PM

Pat Lee's humans look like they were carved out of wood.

Nemesis00

12-17-2005, 05:51 PM

I like how the Ultimate Silver Surfer looks like a techno organinc angel of death.

maxx

12-17-2005, 05:54 PM

I like how the Ultimate Silver Surfer looks like a techno organinc angel of death.

he could easily be seen as an angel of death since he preludes the coming of galactus..who eats ur damn planet.

Zephyranthes

12-18-2005, 01:23 PM

Well, Clinty, I'm glad you enjoyed Paul Has A Summer Job. Seeing as how I probably built it up to be the greatest symbol of Canadian pride ever. There is not much that brings me joy as a comics fan, other than knowing that other people have partaken of the Fountain Of Good Comics. Kinda like being part of the FABLES!!!!!1 Brotherhood. (Which I haven't been following monthly... The next trade better come out damn soon!!!!)

But yeah, I love superhero comics but I also just like good stories in general. Whether it's novels, plays, movies, an overblown triple-disc concept album, etc., or nonsuperhero comics. Vertigo is like that bridge that connects the mainstream to the independent scene.

Once you get a taste, you're a slave to good writing and it doesn't matter how many Super Special, Internet-Cracking, Universe-Changing, Secret Crisis Infinity Crossover, Kree-Skrull, Rann/Thanagar, Status-quo Altering, New Relaunch Number One Limited Edition Variant, Ultimate All-Star Batman Vs. Wolverine Comics are being published by Marvel and DC.

Good comics is just good comics. Not sayin' that anything with superheroes is crap, and not sayin' that everything indie rules. There's good and bad in each world. Still, I'd much rather point people to Maus or Persepolis or Fax From Sarajevo than tell them about The Age Of Apocalypse. But hey, if reading about Magneto can, down the line, lead someone into reading The Filth, I'm all for it. Take your minds on some adventures, kids.

Okay dammit, every comic book publisher ever pay me now dammit

MITH

12-18-2005, 04:52 PM

if your into the indie scene, check out, My Monkeys Name is Jennifer. It is quite possibly the funniest TPB ever created.

RoninChaos

12-18-2005, 05:18 PM

I like how the Ultimate Silver Surfer looks like a techno organinc angel of death.

Pics?

kane_warhead

12-18-2005, 05:42 PM

I've been out of the loop for a year i think and I find out that Secret War is still at issue number 5. Talk about slow.

Rage02fire

12-18-2005, 06:01 PM

Pics?

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Mar_06/Mar_06solicits.html

Look at the top image.

Nemesis00

12-18-2005, 06:11 PM

I don't understand the covers for Ultimate Extinction at all.

The first one is a bad ass silhouette of Galactus and some dead heroes

The second one is random heroes looking like they got caught watching gay porn by their mothers.

The third one is the Surfer.

Makes no fucking sense.

RoninChaos

12-18-2005, 06:15 PM

where can I get the pics of the second issue?

Well, surfer looks cool I guess. Has wings instead of a board. Uhm... yeah.

Nemesis00

12-18-2005, 06:18 PM

Issue 1
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0512/13/extinction1c.jpg

Issue 2
http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvel022006/big/ULTEXT002_cov.jpg

What the shit?

RoninChaos

12-18-2005, 06:26 PM

you know, I was all hyped for this series like a year ago. What the fuck caused that long ass hang up between issues on the second arc? It killed any real interest I have in this project.

I can't stand late books.

Nemesis00

12-18-2005, 06:35 PM

Blame Bendis for that one. He added an extra issue to the Sentry arc in New Avengers, which was drawn by McNiven, who did the Ultimate Secret art for the first two issues. Sucks too, cus the series was crap after the delay.

Still, alot of shit has come from this trilogy.

Galactus
Silver Surfer
Falcon
Misty Knight coming soon
Captain Marvel
Carol Danvers
Vision
The Kree

The Bucket Of Truth

12-18-2005, 07:47 PM

Bendisgod i hate him

anyone have a link to where i can download comics from? i cbf buying them anymore

maxx

12-18-2005, 08:01 PM

god i hate him

anyone have a link to where i can download comics from? i cbf buying them anymore

buy and support comics. anime can survive when we d/l bt..but comics is a bit more fragile.

Carpet Lint

12-18-2005, 08:39 PM

It's not right to download comics. It is morally WRONG!!! You know that, Bucket.

I thought you also knew how to get them. DC++!!! Crickey, mate.

PM me for the hub addresses or whatever if you don't have them already.

_______________

I just don't have access to the more independent stuff at my store. And I'm not into the scene much at all. So I need people to tell me about them, and then I need to ask them to order it or I have to go somewhere else to find it.

Is Demo available through Diamond Shipping? Because then I can ask my store to order it, but otherwise I gotta go downtown or order it myself.

It always feels good to share comics though. Makes me so happy to share comics with someone who's only heard of comic book characters through the cartoons. You give them a copy of like DKR or whatever and it blows their minds.

Like my girlfriend is a dirty manga whore, and didn't want anything to do with my JLA or Spider-Man or whatever. Then I lent her my first two trades of FABLES!!!!!!!11 and I rescued her from those filthly Japanese products. I've added another into our fold. Just like that. It kicks so much ass to get someone hooked on FABLES!!!!!!!1111

That's why it's no fun downloading them - reading a comic book on your screen just isn't the same. You gotta have it in your hands. And it's always better giving someone a trade or a box full of issues than it is sending them a file. Comic books are an experience. The paper and the page turning - and even the ads - are all included.

I wish I could buy FABLES!!!!!!1 in trade form though. I'm liking trades more and more, just because it's easier to read. (...and...you know...it's cheaper) I buy Y The Last Man and 100 Bullets and other Vertigo stuff in trades because I like to sit down sometimes and read them all at once - that stuff is always better when you can read it all in one coherent run through. I'd like to buy FABLES!!!!!11 in trades too, since it's tricky reading and lending it out in individual issues. But I can't seem to wait the six or nine months it takes for new FABLES!!!!!1. I can't wait that long for the trades, so I'm forced to buy them month to month.

Which makes me wonder why I buy so many mid tier titles month to month rather than in trades. Yeah, trades are killing the industry and whatnot, but I buy so many goddamn books from you bastards that I really don't think it makes a difference in the end. I need to start buying more trades and less monthly issues. Pretty soon I'll end up on the street sucking dick for money to buy Ultimate X-Treme (#1 of 17) or whatever the next dump Marvel's going to take is called.

Zephyranthes

12-18-2005, 11:02 PM

Demo should be available through Diamond. It was on Diamond's shipping list the week it came out.

http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/archive/2005/120705.txt

Hopefully that'll be of help. Otherwise, I live in San Francisco and Ait-PlanetLar's HQ is only a mile and a half away from my house. My local comics shop also has tons of indie stuff in stock. So I got easy access to tons of indie books. If things are looking desperate in Toronto, I'll buy you a copy and ship it to you myself (assuming you'd pay me back, bitch).

----

Giving up monthly Fables was one of the hardest decisions I've ever made in my life (as a comics fan). In my prime a couple years ago, I was collecting probably a dozen or fifteen odd titles per month. That's a damn lot, I think. Some of them were minis that would be over after 4-6 issues, but I used to get some ongoings too. And the thing was, even back then I preferred getting paperbacks and hardcovers.

And then I forced myself to stop getting Fables. Like I said, it was tough on me. I went through withdrawal the first month. I read the issue (I believe it was the first issue of The Mean Seasons storyarc) at the store and just kept molesting it, thinking that I should just buy it. Somehow, I found the resolve to put it back on the rack.

After that, it was cake. If I could give up buying Fables on a monthly basis, I could give up buying any monthly comic on Earth. In fact, the only reason I continue to buy Daredevil is because I just enjoy the concept of getting a new installment of a goodass SUPERHERO comic every 28 days. (Plus it gives me an extra excuse to go to the store every month. I still can't break my habit of going to the store once a week, every Wednesday if I can.)

Only reason I'm buying Local is because, like Demo, each issue is like its own miniature graphic novel. Self-contained stories told in about 24 pages. Glossy, high-quality paper. Behind the scenes extras and art that's usually only found in deluxe hardcovers. Essays from the writer AND the artist. NO ads. For 3 bucks, that's definitely a big deal.

---

RE: Downloading Comics

I personally don't do it, but mainly because I can't stand staring at a monitor so long, especially when reading something on the screen. Just strains my eyes. And I love books, so I'm pretty biased; having the actual work in your hands is just a good thing.

Download comics if it's something that you can't find, like old forgotten but good Robocop comics.

Download comics that deserve to be downloaded- like Age of Apocalypse. I mean, I understand if someone's curious and wants to know what happened in that era of the X-Men, but no one really needs to spend actual money on that shit. Read Infinity Crusade on your computer, but you can't just download V For Vendetta.

And there are some things that just can't be read on your computer. Like From Hell- what the hell kinda cheapass would tolerate sitting through 572 black and white pages on his computer monitor? It's a lot easier to read something like that when you have the actual book. Or books like Kabuki, where the art and text spiral in all directions. It's a lot easier to rotate a 2 ounce book in your hands than to rotate your neck or twirl around your monitor.

maxx

12-18-2005, 11:12 PM

I guess i feel biased about downloading, and since its my chosen profession it goes into the whole. If your paid sum sum money and a bunch of people like your comic and say awesome things about it but theirs a lack of sales what does it say about you. Critics love ya but the sales just don't say it.

especially if its an indy comic where they need all the sales they can get.

Wellman

12-19-2005, 12:59 AM

Would dig the Ultimate Silver Surfer more if the wings didn't look as blocky as they do. Seriously, it completely turned me against the character already and I love the regular Surfer.

Sheng-Long

12-19-2005, 12:59 PM

Nemesis00

12-19-2005, 01:04 PM

So far the confirmed bad guys are Loki, Black Widow, Hank Pym, and the red robot being Crimson Dynamo.

Rage02fire

12-19-2005, 01:36 PM

People are still debating who exactly the traitor is on that comic forum they belive the traitor is jarvis and widow was helping out starks....ya right :rofl:

As for the villians you can tell the bad guy's thor is Vanguard, the sickle gave that away. Funnything about vanguard they made him gay.

As for the green dark girl being jocasta IDK there's a girl in the avengers manuel guide book of 05 who LOOKS just like her. She was dark green and everything once I get to see that maneul guide I'll compare them both.

Now for the the guy who said the great satan has beem oliberated, people think he could actually be the red skull as well at that comic forum. Cause the fact he looked middle eastern and red skull was made back in the 40's to show america's enemy which were the nazi's. Now it's 2005, are enemy is supposed to be muslims With 9/11 and all they could of remade the redskull into a muslim guy. IMO though I think that is red guardian.

Also some peeps think hank pym or blackwidow could be double agents, will see though. I really wanna see how they get out of this one, loki's group kicked the shit out of them.

Oh does anyone know who the fuck were those things that took out fury's right arm?

RoninChaos

12-19-2005, 01:38 PM

Guys, anybody that downloads comics needs to PM me. I have a question.

P. Gorath

12-19-2005, 01:53 PM

is the mk spider-man hardcover worth picking up? are the issues any good?

Nemesis00

12-19-2005, 01:55 PM

If it's the one written by Millar, then I'd say it's alright. It's one of those stories that changes the status quo of alot of his rogues gallery, but while making no sense in alot of parts.

I will say this though. Electro is the fucking man in the first part of the story.

Zephyranthes

12-19-2005, 02:16 PM

It depends how much the MK Spider-Man hardcover will cost you. I don't think it's worth the full 30 bucks. It's well above average for a recent superhero story, with consistently good artwork, but at the end of the day it isn't really about anything other than Spider-Man fighting a bunch of his supervillains. If you can get it for like 20 bucks, then yeah, that'd be worth it. You should read the first couple of issues of it to see if you'll like it.

makmak!!!

12-19-2005, 08:06 PM

I stopped collecting spider-man comics before the clone saga. I wanted to start all over again, collecting the original spiderman storyline not the ultimate ones. Si I'm asking what spider-man still follows the original storyline since the spectactular spiderman already ended.

Nemesis00

12-19-2005, 08:08 PM

ViciousSLASH

12-19-2005, 08:17 PM

Ultimates 9 has been out for a while so I'm not putting spoiler tags on this one anymore:

http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/8529/lastpage3be.jpg

Is that really Ultimate abomination? I can't think of anyone else. I also have no idea who the other two are or if that really is Red Guardian or Red Skull (changed into Russian instead of German ? I remember Millar saying that Red Skull will be part of Ultimates 2 or maybe we havent seen him yet)

Could the one in silver be Darkstar?

Captain Britian ? Could that be the guy in the middle ? I think the person with the goggles is gonna be a speedster.

The Crimson Dynamo is cool. Nice to see an ultimate version of him. Me thinks Hulk will come back and a huge crazy showdown between the ultimates and bizarro ultimates will be had. And that showdown will kick much ass.

I like how that page really reminds you of the authority. In a good way. :looney:

Nemesis00

12-19-2005, 09:29 PM

I guess i feel biased about downloading, and since its my chosen profession
Whoa! You're in the comic biz?

The Bucket Of Truth

12-20-2005, 06:27 AM

buy and support comics. anime can survive when we d/l bt..but comics is a bit more fragile.my local comic store closed up 5 or so months ago. i need to order them from sydney and the store constantly fucks it up (they miss issues, send me shit i didnt order, theyve never provided a receit). with last months order half the comics were bent :bluu:It's not right to download comics. It is morally WRONG!!! You know that, Bucket.

I thought you also knew how to get them. DC++!!! Crickey, mate.

PM me for the hub addresses or whatever if you don't have them already.im out of the loop. i recall there being a link with all the information provided on some site. LINK ME UP DAWG

Carpet Lint

12-20-2005, 12:47 PM

im out of the loop. i recall there being a link with all the information provided on some site. LINK ME UP DAWG
Forget the link, I'll just PM you everything it said.

Which was just like step #1 download DC++, step #2 download comics.

I need to get into more indie comics. Here's what I read in that general field.

Battle Pope
Army of Darkness which is crap, but looks pretty
The Goon
Walking Dead

What would you guys suggest? And how's Hellboy?
Read it. It's very good.

The trades are in this order...

Seed Of Destruction
Wake The Devil
The Chained Coffin And Others
Right Hand Of Doom
The Conqueror Worm
...and then the other miscellaneous stuff, like BPRD and The Third Wish.

The only Goon I've read is the 25 cent issue, which I liked. Not enough to start buying it though. I think I'll have to give it another chance at some point, but I got too many books on my plate right now for that.

The Walking Dead is excellent - I have the first three trades. I still like Invincible better, because of the stupid superhero stuff, and because I'm an art whore. I still don't like how they keep switching artists after the first couple of arcs. I liked the guy who drew the first trade of Walking Dead better than Tony Moore. ...there were different guys, right?

I also like Cory Walker better than Ryan Ottley, but the style is so similar that I doesn't matter.

And those books were essentially the "most indie" I got also. And that's like...Dark Horse, Dark Horse, and Image. And those are like the fourth and third largest companies?

So really...not indie at all.

________________

(assuming you'd pay me back, bitch)
Haha, yeah, okay there buddy.

I finally found DEMO downtown yesterday - I started looking for it after I finished an exam.

One copy at the Hairy Taranchula, which is a tiny store that I think the owner also lives in when it's closed. Surprised I couldn't find it at the Silver Snail though, which is supposed to be the biggest in Toronto.

Haven't read it yet, I'll take my time with it after my last exam tomorrow.

Does anyone else still have exams? This is fucking ridiculous - I didn't even know that Christmas is THIS WEEK. I still have exams!

maxx

12-20-2005, 12:54 PM

Whoa! You're in the comic biz?

well not yet...but i'm working towards it.

Carpet Lint

12-20-2005, 12:59 PM

maxx

12-20-2005, 01:01 PM

Best of luck to you in that regard. I hope you nothing but the best, and this isn't meant as discouragement and I'm not sweating you or anything...

...but unless you're a hell of a writer, don't quite quit that day job just yet. Unless your stuff is a lot better than what you've put up on your site.

writer?! good god you got like a .5 percent chance of being a writer lol. Ya know i randomly met the writer for arkanium like 2-3 years back on a bus trip to pennsylvania for a pro-wrestling show...randoness.

i'm trying to be artist...better chance at that...though i have been leaning more towards writing and with tokyopop going more for the homegrown manga..i have a better chance.

buyproduct

12-20-2005, 01:02 PM

P. Gorath

12-20-2005, 01:08 PM

I need to get into more indie comics. Here's what I read in that general field.

Battle Pope
Army of Darkness which is crap, but looks pretty
The Goon
Walking Dead

What would you guys suggest? And how's Hellboy?
1. Stray Bullets - each issue is self-contained but part of a larger narrative. One of my favorite comics of all time. Most of it is available in trades, pick up the first one and see if you like it (the trade collecting the first seven issues is available at most barnes n nobles if you just want to sit there and read)

2. Grendel - it's hard to discern what to pick up just from looking at all of the product and off-shoots. Compounding the problem is that the best story arcs (the incubation years, god and the devil, and devil's reign) are not available in tpb form. I would suggest starting with the Grendel: War Child trade from dark horse and see if you like it.

3. Concrete

4. Mage

5. Kane

The Void

12-20-2005, 02:33 PM

The red guardian already made his apperance in the ulitmate universe. It was in ultimate nightmare 3 and 4. He has a sheild made of human skin and is a result of russian scientest trying to make their own version of captain america using DNA from ultimate vision which was also introduced in that mini series. So long story short that guy in the middle doesnt look like the ultimate gaurdian previously introduced. I think its ultimate red skull.

I don't know...I think he looks more like an ult. protocide myself.

http://mattmansfigures.homestead.com/files/Proto.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/123reaper/pro.jpg

Then again, all three look pretty simular so...*shrugs*

RoninChaos

12-20-2005, 02:38 PM

I'm sick and out of work until thursday so I'm trying to kill some time. Thought I might go pick up a trade or two of the Flash. My man VSLASH and my mexican, Ever, won't ever shut up about Geoff Johns run, so where should I start?

Geese Pants

12-20-2005, 03:00 PM

Johns is the man................he saved Hal Jordan and at the same time to beast on Earth-2

Try out GL: Rebirth miniseries first........

Carpet Lint

12-20-2005, 03:07 PM

Here are the trades of Geoff Johns' run.

Blood Will Run
Rogues
Crossfire
Blitz
Ignition
The Secret of Barry Allen

I'd start with the first one, I guess. Buy one, if you like it, buy another. That's usually how it works.

Blood Will Run, Rogues, Crossfire, and Blitz were all with Scott Kolins on art. These were right up among the best monthly superhero comics that came out at the time.

After everything's messed by in Blitz, Ignition is a different type of story than the others. I remember that VS said Alberto Dose's art was ass, but it was fitting for the story. He's not a good fit in a superhero comic though, but Ignition wasn't really a superhero type of story.

The Secret of Barry Allen was some Identity Crisis related stuff, and sets up Rogues War, which is probably going to be the next trade, out in a few months. Howard Porter on art, which I thought was almost as good as Scott Kolins. A lot like the first three trades.

The first three were fun, and Blitz is like the big, monumental Flash #200 type story. You shouldn't really read anything after Blitz if you haven't read Blitz. And unless you really loved all the trades, I wouldn't really recommend buying trades past Blitz. It's all good though.

I think I liked Rogues best, but I'm not too sure since I picked it up in issues, not trades. Captain Cold is such a badass motherfucker with Geoff Johns writing. I think The Rogues is where he does the most stuff, though he's pretty much everywhere in Johns' run. Captain Cold was awesome in Ignition too.

RoninChaos

12-20-2005, 03:26 PM

Johns is the man................he saved Hal Jordan and at the same time to beast on Earth-2

Try out GL: Rebirth miniseries first........

Already got that. I'm familiar with the guy, I've just never found the flash interesting. I was told that Johns Flash Run makes him interesting. That's why I wondered where to start.

Nemesis00

12-20-2005, 03:38 PM

archetype

12-20-2005, 04:12 PM

Damn, just read 9 back issues of ultimates 2 (1-9). I dunno who the hell the ultimates can recover from this shit. But they probably will lol. Cant wait to see how its done.

Rage02fire

12-20-2005, 05:03 PM

writer?! good god you got like a .5 percent chance of being a writer lol. Ya know i randomly met the writer for arkanium like 2-3 years back on a bus trip to pennsylvania for a pro-wrestling show...randoness.

i'm trying to be artist...better chance at that...though i have been leaning more towards writing and with tokyopop going more for the homegrown manga..i have a better chance.

Hahaha I'm trying to become a artist for the comic book scene as well but I'm still practing my work and stuff. I'm also trying to be a writer so I'm just looking to read the stories that people say have good plots like preacher, sandman, and anything thats good to the critics.

I don't know...I think he looks more like an ult. protocide myself.

http://mattmansfigures.homestead.com/files/Proto.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/123reaper/pro.jpg

Then again, all three look pretty simular so...*shrugs*

IMO I think it's either Ultimate Red guardian or protocide, I have more tension into thinking it's Red guardian cause Loki thought he was enjoying the amusement and leaded this international collective for revenge.

Oh I read ultimates 9 again last night and I kinda found a clue. Now if you look at the panel where Loki is looking up at the sky and Dynamo says to him "I don't understand why your so excited, loki." You see nine [including loki] people on that panel. Then look at the last page of when the red guy says the great satan line. You only see 8 people, though that could be one of those things that took out fury's right arm, but I think it could be another villian meaning our 9th mysterious player maybe the red skull or someone else. I just wanted to point that out to you guys.

DA GAME

12-20-2005, 06:05 PM

my local comic store closed up 5 or so months ago. i need to order them from sydney and the store constantly fucks it up (they miss issues, send me shit i didnt order, theyve never provided a receit). with last months order half the comics were bent :bluu:im out of the loop. i recall there being a link with all the information provided on some site. LINK ME UP DAWG
Try ordering your comics from this site:

www.lonestarcomics.com

makmak!!!

12-20-2005, 06:46 PM

Rage02fire

12-20-2005, 07:32 PM

I hope someone could answer my question. I was hoping to continue collecting spider-man comics but they already stopped publishing spectacular spider-man. All the comics they sell are the ultimate ones. Is there any spider-man comic that continues the original storyline?

Na they're still doing original storylines for spidey. It's just all the original storylines are focused on this major story called the other. Some folks think it's alright and some are getting pissed off what they're doing to spidey and stuff.

IMO it's okay

Zephyranthes

12-20-2005, 09:44 PM

Dark Horse and Image have some really good creator-owned stuff. Not sure if all of it counts as indie, though. Like, I don't consider Dark Horse's Star Wars stuff and movie-based comics to be indie. But it's just all technicalities, I guess.

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Here's what I know about some Dark Horse stuff.

Usagi Yojimbo (Dark Horse) is probably the longest running indie comic now that Cerebus ended a while back. It's kind of overwhelming, though, because Usagi Yojimbo has about 18 paperbacks. Fortunately, Stan Sakai, the creator, is very good at making each story readable, whether or not you've been following along.

Like Psycho said, Concrete kicks major butt. Dark Horse is reprinting Concrete in new paperback editions, too. So definitely check those out. Concrete is the kinda of comic that will change your entire perception on comics. You can learn a lot about the art and mechanics of comics just by reading Concrete. I've only been able to read some Grendel, but I know most of it is good. It's just hard to come by. They need to reprint all the old '80s stuff in new editions. I have a paperback of Grendel: Devil's Legacy published by Comico and it is totally beat down. But it's a must-read.

Clinty already covered Hellboy.

I'm also a big proponent of The Amazing Adventures Of The Escapist, which is inspired by the novel The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay by Michael Chabon. Excellent novel. The novel won a Pulitzer and it's a celebration of comic books as well as a great example of the modern The Great American Novel^tm. Amazing Adventures of the Escapist is a quarterly anthology featuring some of the biggest names in the mainstream and indie world. For example, Howard Chaykin, Matt Wagner, Phillip Bond, John Cassaday, Scott Morse, Harvey Pekar, Dean Haspiel, Norm Breyfogle, Eddie Campbell, and many more have contributed some very fine work to the book. Will Eisner's final comics story Eever appeared in an issue of the Escapist, which should hint at the quality of this publication. You don't need to have read the novel to read the stories, either. Oh yeah, and Brian K. Vaughan has begun a serial piece with the most recent issue (number 8).

Sin City is supreme. Go watch the movie. And if you don't like the movie, then go read the books. Then, once you get the joke, watch the movie again. DH also publishes a couple of other great Frank Miller stuff, too. Like th