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Zephyranthes

01-20-2006, 12:21 AM

Hmm, I'm not sure exactly how many, but a quick search on Amazon shows that a good chunk of Judd Winick's run has been collected. There is New Journey, Old Path; The Power Of Ion; Brother's Keeper; and Passing The Torch. I've read the latter two of those books and I've skimmed Ion. Passing The Torch skips around between Kyle and John Stewart (if you remember the JLA comics of that timeframe, that was when Kyle went to outer space and John was the GL of Earth, probably so DC could make the comic look more like the Justice League cartoon.)

I actually bought Brother's Keeper and it's my favorite thing Judd Winick's ever written. That's the one about Kyle's gay friend getting a beat down and Kyle trying to figure out what to do. It's probably the only time that I felt Winick's penchant for inserting social issues into his stories worked in his favor. Usually that kinda stuff can come off as blatantly liberal but Winick actually did something with his story, rather than just used Green Lantern as a platform for his views.

OrangeCat

01-20-2006, 10:32 AM

I found a torrent that is 4 gigs of every comic related to Infinite Crisis. I mean this is fucking huge and basically if you want to completly understand IC, this is your cirriculem for a masters in DCU-ology.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=1831756

OC

archetype

01-21-2006, 02:39 AM

wow just read infinite crisis. Good Shit. Does anyone know why the name "infinite crisis" was chosen for the title? Doesn't seem like it fits i dunno. Also how many times did they mention Oliver being dead, god damn we get it, he died. I didn't know Slade was such a bad ass.

Sano

01-21-2006, 07:01 AM

Seems like a shout out to the older series "Crisis on Infinite Earths" which this new series is continuing on. Given all the bad stuff that's going to happen to DC in 2006, (like no more Justice League, a hero going evil and so on) it will at least seem like an Infinite Crisis for the time being.

P. Gorath

01-22-2006, 02:14 PM

The Final Night was pretty garbage. maybe because I read it right after reading CRISIS (the compendium was quite helpful) but it was a pretty good summary of a lot of what was bad about 90s comics. There was one solid issue about Parallax in there but that was it.

Also read the first volume of Age of Apocalypse the complete epic. I was confused at first because it billed itself as presenting the issues in chronological order. At first I thought this meant that it would be in the order the issues were released, but in actuality the trades are in i guess you could call it "comic-chronological" order in terms of the events happening in the storyline. This actually works pretty well although it is strange that the entire volume one doesnt even get to any of the original mini-series but is all special issues/annuals plus the four issue blink mini-series which was published years later.

All in all it is a great read so far and I have been quite impressed at both the art and the story. Definitely leagues above xtinction agenda and xecutioners song.

KungfuJoe

01-22-2006, 03:41 PM

"Spoiler for those that have not read it yet"

yipes tell me that earth 2 is not back again I thought all that was long gone since COIE now its back again.

KFJ

Pained Auron

01-22-2006, 04:22 PM

"Spoiler for those that have not read it yet"

yipes tell me that earth 2 is not back again I thought all that was long gone since COIE now its back again.

KFJ

huh?

Zephyranthes

01-22-2006, 10:28 PM

He's talking about the latest issue of Infinite Crisis.

Carpet Lint

01-22-2006, 10:43 PM

I'm late on this, but I'm thinking the new Spidey suit lasts for 12 months. My buddy says six. I think we should make a pool.

...

I was going to type about comics, but I'm watching Simpsons right now and my mind has just gone up and left me.

It's the X-Files one where the alien in the woods turns out to be Mr. Burns. HI-LARIOUS!

Zephyranthes

01-23-2006, 12:20 AM

Hmm, if there's gonna be a pool, it should be more intense than just saying how many months it last. How about, how many issues the suit will appear in? I say 43.

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Simpsons is the best. You ever read any Bongo Comics, the company that does the Simpsons and Futurama comics? Those are pretty great, too.

archetype

01-23-2006, 12:59 AM

I was reading the new green lantern with hal in it and i have a few questions. How long was Hal dead and why the hell is he back? They didn't bring back Barry when he died. What makes Hal so special? Also why did why did Hal die?

THX

Sheng-Long

01-23-2006, 01:13 PM

The Bongo Simpsons is awesome, they get to do stuff that the cartoons cannot like use Kang and Kodos more than just once a year and do stuff like this:

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2426/gmsimpsons4tu.jpg

DeathScythe

01-23-2006, 03:11 PM

Superboy in the latest issue of IC was fucking nuts!!!! Especially the whole Flash scene when him and Impulse ran him into the future thus meaning the Tornado Twins are guaranteed survival. But my question is.....WHO will replace the Flash in the new series seeing as how the current series ended(and I still say Geoff Johns should have ended that series himself)?

Also, the ending to Green Lantern #7 was fucking crazy. Everything seemed normal until the last page. A bit predictable but still very well written.

But more on IC #4. Alexander Luthor mentioned that they had access to Earth 1 the entire time setting up everything. I don't care how confusing it is...it's still a fucking great story. And the annihalation of Bludhaven was fucking crazy. Too good.

P. Gorath

01-23-2006, 03:15 PM

can we use some kind of bigger IC spoiler tags? more spaces, or inviso-text or something.

box

01-23-2006, 03:29 PM

SPOILERS

Last month I posted a few questions with respect to the DC universe in 2006. SPOILER. Don't read if you don't wanna know.

Some notes on 2006 for the DC universe. Sorta Spoilerish... sorta not.

Wizard posted a multiple choice quiz where each question has 1 correct answer They haven't said what the correct answer is except for question 8 so everybody gets that one right. Anyhow, feel free to discuss/speculate or whatever.

1. Which one of these heroines will give birth in '06
a) Wonder Woman
b) Power Girl
c) Catwoman
d) Oracle

It's Catwoman. But we don't know who the father is at the moment.

2. Which one of these heroes will be stripped of their powers?
a) Superman
b) Wonder Woman
c) Supergirl
d) Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

Wonder Woman most likely. DC has provided information on all the future of the other heroes, but refused to comment on Wonder Woman.

3. Who will become mayor of their crime-riddled city?
a) Wally West/Flash
b) Dick Grayson/Nightwing
c) Bruce Wayne/Batman
d) Oliver Queen/Green Arrow

Oliver Queen, Green Arrow

6. Which hero will become a criminal in the eyes of the world?
a) Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
b) Superman
c) The Flash
d) Shazam

Hal Jordan.

7. Which one of these heroes is the only one who'll be around after 'Infinite Crisis'?
a) Wally West/The Flash
b) Conner Kent/Superboy
c) Guy Gardner/Green Lantern
d) Dick Grayson/Nightwing

It's likely to be Superboy. DC said that a new character will be donning the Nightwing costume, Flash is gone for the moment if you've read IC 4. And DC said that a number of heroes who are at the new center of the universe won't be coming back (Guy).

Nemesis00

01-23-2006, 05:19 PM

http://www.buzzscope.com/previewer.php?id=5387&p=1

Small preview of the Moon Knight. Looks amazing so far.

Wellman

01-23-2006, 08:30 PM

POSSIBLE IC/OYL STORYLINE SPOILERS

But Guy or a version of him is set to be in the GL Corps book isn't he? Also in the preview for the new Blue Beetle Guy is there as well.

Also the current solicts indicate that there are going to be 2 Nightwings in the Nightwing book. Not to mention one of them apparentlly will be leading The Outsiders in secret global strike force missions. The Winnick interview made it seem like it would be Dick.

Also Robin is supposed to wanted for murder and sadly it is looking very much like the intended victim is Batgirl even though it makes no sense given the last issue to come out had her gutted by her 'brother'.

END OF SPOILERS

Anyone else disappointed in what happened to the Flash's? I know I was maybe if it was an issue long battle between Flash, Kid Flash (Impluse) and Superboy Prime I could be down for it, but yeah it didn't really click with me.

Carpet Lint

01-23-2006, 10:27 PM

http://www.buzzscope.com/previewer.php?id=5387&p=1

Small preview of the Moon Knight. Looks amazing so far.
It reads almost identically to any random Batman issue. Which I guess is good, since I like Batman.

Looks good enough to check out at least. David Finch is going to be doing pencils? Then who's going to do New Avengers?

And who's Charlie Huston?

____________________

I'm going with 67 issues.

So who else is in?

The number-of-issues-Iron-Spidey-will-appear-in Pool
Zephy - 43
Me - 67

Winner gets...to win.

Zephyranthes

01-24-2006, 03:40 PM

Charlie Huston is a novelist. I haven't read any of his books, but you can peruse his stuff on Amazon. Looks like he writes a lot of hardboiled crime slash horror type stuff. Sounds right up Moon Knight's alley. I'm not sure about New Avengers, but I think I might have heard that Steve McNiven is going to pencil it. But beats me.

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So Catwoman is going to bear a child, eh? I don't think DC would be so bold as to allow Batman to father a child out of wedlock. (Ed Brubaker once said that he was even forbidden to show Batman sleeping with Catwoman, even though they did sleep together during his run- Bru just had to be very, very subtle about it.) But ya never know, DC's gone bonkers lately so anything is possible. It's stupid how they've brought Catwoman into the Crisis Brainwashing Cult. Darwyn Cooke and Brubaker pretty much established her personality and now DC's basically saying, "It was Zatanna's magic all along." This is worse than Chaos Magic in Avengers Disassembled.

On the other hand, I finally read the first volume of Seven Soldiers, and all the stories kicked ass. It's the kind of comic that reminds me what's so enthralling about superhero comics. It also has a far more interesting interpretation of Zatanna and her magic. But it would be pretty funny if Morrison had her save the day by brainwashing someone.

Wellman

01-24-2006, 08:38 PM

I kind of hate DC for mixing all the Seven Soldier minis together in trade form, it just means in certain cases you would have to go out and purchase all of the single issues if you only want one of the stories.

Zephyranthes

01-24-2006, 09:58 PM

Yeah, it's a pretty weird way to package the stories, but after reading the first collection, I guess I don't really mind too much because it was still a great read. Plus, knowing DC, they'd probably charge like 12.99 if they made individual trades for each mini (WE3, which was just 3 issues, costs 12.99 in trade form- absurd). At least the way that they are doing it allows people who want to read all of it to save some money. I wonder if DC will do an Absolute Seven Soldiers one day. That'd be like a massive double hardcover set or something.

P. Gorath

01-25-2006, 10:13 AM

and its better for people like me who wait for the trade in the first place

Agmaster

01-25-2006, 10:48 AM

box

01-25-2006, 11:03 AM

I'm so confused that anyone can not like evolve or die. It's not even cheesy. It has change, remains true to the past (save maybe the morlun thing since his lackey killed him ai thought). It is actually good.

Umm. Did you read the part where Mary Jane and Aunt May stormed Dr. Doom's castle in Iron Man suits??? Not only that, but in the very same issue, they time travel to the past??? Riiiiiiight. Not cheesy in the slightest.

P. Gorath

01-25-2006, 11:39 AM

my punisher: confederacy of dunces finally came in the mail so my ennis punisher tpb collection is complete. looking forward to max hardcover vol. 2 next month.

Im also about halfway through identity crisis and im enjoying it so far.

box

01-25-2006, 01:23 PM

PIcked up Spider-man the other, New Avengers and Street Fighter.

Spider-man The other showcased Spidey's new powers. They're a lot more spider-oriented and I don't mind them except for the stingers. Sadly I won't be picking up anymore spidey titles after this. I don't wanna get entangled with Iron Spidey.

New avengers was dialogue heavy again. Unlike last issue however, the entire issue was fluff except for the last few pages concerning Spider-woman.

Also got Street Fighter. Good art. Okay story.

Gorath: I liked Identity crisis for the first 6 issues. The last issue wasn't too good IMO.

Wellman

01-25-2006, 09:10 PM

The stingers are just...

Damn why does all of Marvel heart Wolverine so much that having Spiderman pathetically mimic his shit for any amount of time comes off as a good idea?

m121akuma

01-25-2006, 09:52 PM

New Avengers was awesome. JJ is the biggest prick in the universe. I ended up buying it, and I've never bought an issue of it before in my life.

Zephyranthes

01-26-2006, 03:55 PM

Right, I thought New Avengers was excellent. I don't think it was fluff at all. It was just a chapter in an ongoing story. I love those issues where the characters basically just chill and talk about stuff. Bendis always does great with those. Like in Ultimate Spider-Man- those issues where Peter and MJ are at school are among the most interesting of the series. This NA issue barely had any fisticuffs (haha, I used the word "fisticuffs"- eat your heart out, SvC Chaos!), other than that Carol Danvers Vs. Klaw thing.

And speaking of Bendis, his final issue of Daredevil kicked my ass so hard. I couldn't believe what happened. It was such a dark ending. It's too good for me to spoil, but man, it really just whooped ass. What's even more awesome is that not only is it a great ending for Bendis' overall story, but it's an intriguing beginning for the next arc. I am so looking forward to seeing what Brubaker and Lark are gonna do. Daredevil has been such a consistent book in the Marvel Knights era. He hasn't sucked for a really long time, unlike most other franchises which seem to be up-and-down every other year or so.

I picked up the G0DLAND trade, too. Joe Casey and Tom Scioli. I read everything of Joe Casey's, but this was some good comics for real here. G0DLAND is cosmic/quasi-science fiction superheroics with a Silver Age feel (like classic Fantastic Four comics) and modern day aesthetics. Smart writing and some nice quirky pop culture commentary, along with an art style that mimics Kirby's style. This is a great book. Gotta check it out.

P. Gorath

01-26-2006, 03:58 PM

how come they stopped the daredevil hardcovers after like the 2nd bendis one? Also i find it weird that new avengers was collected in two small hardcovers...is there a bigger one combining them coming out?

Nemesis00

01-26-2006, 05:26 PM

Who knows. Marvel got very silly with their hardcovers lately. I'm still waiting for the second half of Supreme Power to hit hardcover, since I don't want a sloppy trade next to such a nice hardcover.

Zephyranthes

01-26-2006, 05:50 PM

I think the Bendis DD hardcovers are still coming out. I think there are 4 MK DD hardcovers out so far, and three of them are Bendis' stuff. I don't know when the next hardcover is coming, but it'll probably collect The Golden Age and Decalogue. I'm pretty sure they still plan on making these hardcovers- I guess it just takes some time because they usually come out several months after the paperbacks.

In regards to the small hardbacks for New Avengers, as well as other recent ones like Captain America, Young Avengers, and Wolverine, Marvel is trying to do what DC does with their top comics (DC did the same thing with Superman/Batman, Green Lantern: Rebirth, and probably some others). I got no idea if there'll be an oversized hardcover collecting a year's worth of comics. I do find it an annoying policy, though. I'd rather the softcover come out first.

Nemesis00

01-26-2006, 05:57 PM

Is anyone else reading Dan Slott's Thing? This book is fucking amazing so far. One of my favorites.

box

01-26-2006, 07:06 PM

The reason I disliked New Avengers 15 was because of the solicits that Marvel published for it:

"The time has come for the New Avengers to go public. Who will stand and declare themselves a New Avenger? Some stay and some go. And some old friends come back to the fold. All this and the New Avengers face their toughest opponent yet... J. Jonah Jameson! Plus the secrets of Jessica Drew continue. "

Nobody left the New Avengers... and nobody new joined. That's why I called the issue fluff.

Zephyranthes

01-26-2006, 07:27 PM

I think that makes the solicitation fluff. Who writes those little blurbs? Christopher Claremont? Probably.

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If the Thing comic is as good as She-Hulk, I guess that means I'm obligated to check it out sometime. Is it funny and quirky like She-Hulk or is it just more of a light in tone superhero comic?

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I forget if anyone already posted this link, but here's a trailer for the Avengers movie.
http://media.comics.ign.com/media/734/734933/vids_1.html

Pained Auron

01-26-2006, 09:40 PM

goddamn i hate how bendis made the last few issues of new avengers all talk. not enough action. although i did like how they showed how much of a prick JJJ is.

gl corps recharge was pretty good. one of the best books that came out this week. i'm starting to like the 3 new recruits that have joined up with the veteran lanterns. i especially like how the rannian and thanagarian refer to each other by calling them the name of their respective planets. at least they are working together unlike when they first met.

box

01-26-2006, 11:07 PM

I agree with Auron. Last 2 issues were all talk. Issue 14 was enjoyable at least because it had some character development with Spider-Woman. But issue 15 didn't really had anything. The blog thing with danvers was neat idea... but it just went on for way too long.

archetype

01-27-2006, 12:14 AM

good shit auron. I have like 3 copies of gl corps and didn't read them since im reading ULTIMATE SECRET ima read them tommorrow.

Edit: I just saw that trailer lol. Im so used to the cap'n america voice from the marvel games.

The Bucket Of Truth

01-27-2006, 05:27 AM

so youre FMJs long lost brother

Zephyranthes

01-28-2006, 07:36 PM

Ah, I guess I just enjoy Bendis' slower-paced books more than his action-packed ones. His Daredevil and his Alias are so awesome compared to everything else of his (yeah, I'm including Ultimate Spider-Man in my broad statement). Both of those books had tons of talking and gave new meaning to the term "slow burn." But whenever there was action, it was always intense- just riveting and full of so much tension built up from all the previous scenes (see especially: Hardcore and The Murdock Papers for Daredevil, and The Secret Origins of Jessica Jones for Alias).

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Local #3 was sweet, as to be expected. It takes place in Richmond, VA and the story revolves around a rock band that recently broke up. I keep plugging this comic because it's just that good and I want you guys to check it out. http://localthecomic.blogspot.com/ is the Local blog- check it out.

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Does anyone get or read JLA: Classified? The last arc by Warren Ellis and Butch Guice was pretty good. Very Authority-like, minus the massive violence and bloodshed. It wasn't the best JLA story ever and Ellis isn't my favorite writer or anything, but I thought it was quite enjoyable. It'd probably be even more enjoyable as a trade because I think I missed out on some stuff due to the one month wait between chapters. Well, if anyone read the newest issue of JLA: Classified by Simone and Garcia-Lopez, let me know how it is and what it's about.

Mr_Punkus

01-30-2006, 12:23 PM

I know I'm probably 6 months too late, but the "Adam Strange" mini-series was pretty damn good. No hyper-powered dudes blowing up planets, just a guy with a jetpack and a pair of blasters, good old-fashioned storytelling and a decent plot. Got loads of countdown to infinite crisis stuff to read before I start the actual infinite crisis mini-series. IMHO dc > marvel ATM, the big M just seems to rely on gratuitous guest appearances and mindless battles to generate sales. First few issues of OMAC project are good, day of vengenace is okay. The first robin is back (hush) and he's pissed off at batman! Supes is losing the plot and getting paranoid, godd plot development. And Villians United- GOD-FUCKING-DAMN. This book owns me so hard. You can't help but root for the secret six, even though the strings are being pulled by earth 2(?) luthor. Infinite Crisis will be kool.

P. Gorath

01-30-2006, 01:33 PM

finished gl: rebirth. the only thing i didnt understand was how is kilowog alive?

Carpet Lint

01-30-2006, 02:15 PM

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Didn't Parallax (sorry, Hal Jordan possessed by Parallax) killed him in Emerald Twilight?

But I never followed Green Lanturn regularly, so I just assumed IMPOSTER.

The only information I could find was this bit in his Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilowog)
Recently, the Guardians have been reconstituted and have reformed the Corps once more, and Kilowog likewise was returned from the dead, the result of a combination of hundreds of alien blackmagics and the unusual nature of the Bolovax Vik afterlife. He currently is training new GLs for the newest incarnation of the Green Lantern Corps, once again in the service of the Guardians of the Universe.
By the way, I find it ridiculous that someone wrote up a Kilowog entry for Wikipedia.
EDIT: Nevermind, it doesn't seem so ridiculous any more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrel_Girl

No issue numbers or when it happened, but that's about the best explaination for a comic book return from the death that you're going to get.

Oh it's not just magic. It's not just BLACK magic. It's not ALIEN black magic. It's HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT TYPES of alien black magic.

That is acceptable to me. A Kilowog IMPOSTER would also have been acceptable.

P. Gorath

01-30-2006, 02:48 PM

i mean, there was a cover of Guy Gardner with him cradling kilowog's skull. dude was pretty dead.

Carpet Lint

01-30-2006, 03:00 PM

I'm going to say IMPOSTER.

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I completely forgot about Local. I wanted to pick it up, wasn't too sure when it came out, and I guess I missed my chance to ride at the front of the bandwagon. I guess it didn't pop up at my regular store because otherwise I would have caught it.

Now #3's out...I gotta run around downtown to look for it then before the earlier issues sell out.

...or maybe I'll wait for the trade.

Zephyranthes

01-30-2006, 04:31 PM

I know I'm probably 6 months too late, but the "Adam Strange" mini-series was pretty damn good. No hyper-powered dudes blowing up planets, just a guy with a jetpack and a pair of blasters, good old-fashioned storytelling and a decent plot.

Man, I was a huge proponent of Adam Strange when it first came out. It was so awesome- it was a science fiction pulp hero throwback to Flash Gordon and stuff like that. The book combined science fiction with superheroics and an interesting mystery. Plus, the artwork was amazing- the drawings were attractive but the coloring added a distinct look unlike anything else on the shelves.

The first five or six issues were really good, but I felt that the story fell apart in the end. This was pretty much because DC forced Andy Diggle to alter his ending to make way for Rann-Thanagar. Which was so annoying to me because I was loving the comic. I mean, it started off as this unique comic about a typically unexplored facet of the DC universe with an intriguing mystery and cast of characters, only to de-evolve into an 8 issue prequel to DC Countdown, which was a prequel to The Rann/Thanagar War, which in turn was only 1/4 of a prequel to a seven issue Infinite Crisis.

I think if Andy Diggle had simply been allowed to tell his story the way he wanted to, without editorial interference that forced an unsatisfying conclusion, Adam Strange would have been one of my favorite DC stories of recent memory. As it stands, I managed to sell those comics on eBay, as I'll never care to read it again. Sad.

Nemesis00

02-01-2006, 09:52 PM

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Spider-Man/amazing/Straczynski.htm
The return of Mjolnir.

FreddyL0c0

02-01-2006, 10:43 PM

wow, spidey can fly now...

Zephyranthes

02-02-2006, 01:30 AM

Hmm, y'know, that costume isn't so terrible. It isn't Spider-Man, but it doesn't look too bad in those preview pages and covers. JMS also says it's temporary.

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Today, I picked up the I Heart Marvel: My Mutant Heart comic. It had three stories. The Daniel Way Wolverine story wasn't anything special. The Cannonball story was pretty nice (I forget the name of the writer/artist). But man oh man! Peter Milligan did a hilarious Doop-themed tale of twisted love. Loved it, loved it, loved it!

Marvel's Romance Redux comic was also super hilarious. Wasn't planning on buying it but I read the first story in it at the store and liked it so much I bought it. It's basically an anthology comic that reprints old-school romance comics from the '50s or '60s, but changes all the text and dialogue to create some really funny stuff! Plus, at 32 pages of story with no ads, it's totally worth 3 bucks. It actually took me longer than 15 or 20 minutes to read and enjoy it the first time through.

Adam Warlock

02-02-2006, 06:22 AM

I just picked up my issues (haven't been to the shop since Thanksgiving) so once I get caught up reading, I'll chime in.

RoninChaos

02-03-2006, 02:27 PM

Okay, just read Infinite Crisis and I gots some questions.

Somebody has GOT to explain the Flash to me. How many are there? WTF is the speed force?

*spoilers*

I assume he died (which was spoiled for me anyway) was it Bart Allen that died? Could somebody break down the multiple flash's and who they are for me?

WHo was the dude that Impulse called "Grand dad"?

*end spoilers*

Thanks.

box

02-03-2006, 02:44 PM

Ronin: There's were 3 flashes in post crisis DCU.

1) Jay Garrick - The one with the Winged helmet and no mask
2) Wally West - The red one
3) Bart Allen - The yellow one (Kid flash - formerly Impulse)

Barry Allen was Wally West's predecessor except he died during the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover. Barry Allen is Bart Allen's grandfather.

Not too sure if they died or if they went to some other dimension or what. But both Kid Flash and Wally West Flash are no longer part of the current DC universe.

As for the speed force:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_Force

I don't even wanna try to explain that one.

Adam Warlock

02-03-2006, 04:48 PM

ViciousSLASH

02-03-2006, 04:57 PM

Ronin, if you're wondering who came out to help Kid Flash after Wally had passed through the speed force, it was Barry Allen, Max Mercury, and Johnny quick. A RIDICULOUS number of people have/had access to the speed force. Off the top of my head, there's also Zoom and Jesse Quick which brings the total of speed force users to 7 at least.

Zoom ain't using no speed force playa, Zoom is on a different wavelength of time, so he actually can't even control how fast he goes. Thats why he's always shaking and slurring his speech.

Lays....
Flash didn't die, he simply ran into the speed force, as did Bart, I'm thinking either Bart or Wally ( maybe both, most likely just Bart is gonna come back, and he will be the new Flash) is gonna come back at the end of crisis and save everyones ass with Uber Speed Force pwnage

Adam Warlock

02-03-2006, 05:42 PM

Superboy got beasted on though. Good shit from the speed team, cuz Superboy was teh broken.

I'll have to reread Secret War in it's entirety because the ridiculously shitty break between issues made me forget what the fuck it's about.

ChairHome

02-03-2006, 06:28 PM

Actually, isn't it the original zoom has access to the speed force, but Professor Zoom is the guy who has "time" powers? I just read that arc, it was awesome.

ViciousSLASH

02-03-2006, 08:16 PM

Actually, isn't it the original zoom has access to the speed force, but Professor Zoom is the guy who has "time" powers? I just read that arc, it was awesome.

Original Zoom is Professor Zoom. He's the reverse Flash, I think he has speed force powers, but I'm not completely sure.

The current Zoom is just "Zoom", he's the one stuck in another time stream.

Superboy did get beasted on, but I'm still not digging crisis. These huge company wide crossover's are getting tired.

Pained Auron

02-03-2006, 09:16 PM

i was about to buy the house of m trade, but i remembered 3 words that pissed me off about that series

SPOILERS

no more mutants

END SPOILERS

i mean i wouldn't have cared if they got rid of mutants some other way, but goddamn. scarlet witch? she shouldn't have this kind of power. she should be out making people slip and fall so and elephant can piss on them. not taking everyone's powers away. now with layla miller showing up in x factor and saying that she is there to make the effects permanentl, i'm seriously thinking about dropping that book. stupid ass marvel should have done a better job with house of m. bendis should stay his ass in the ultimate universe and leave the regular marvel u. alone. man i don't think i've ever been this pissed off about comics before. i hate bendis

The Bucket Of Truth

02-03-2006, 11:00 PM

i hate bendisAmen

ChairHome

02-04-2006, 12:35 AM

Original Zoom is Professor Zoom. He's the reverse Flash, I think he has speed force powers, but I'm not completely sure.

The current Zoom is just "Zoom", he's the one stuck in another time stream.

Superboy did get beasted on, but I'm still not digging crisis. These huge company wide crossover's are getting tired.

Yeah, my bad,I mixed them up.

abacabb

02-04-2006, 09:32 AM

I just finished reading the spiderman story arc "The Other". That was a Good read. If you havent read them pm me ill hook you up

Wellman

02-04-2006, 12:49 PM

Superboy did get beasted on, but I'm still not digging crisis. These huge company wide crossover's are getting tired.

Co-sign, although I will still be checking out Annihilation in the next few months.

m121akuma

02-04-2006, 12:52 PM

Man, F the haters, House of M rocked. I like Bendis.

Zephyranthes

02-04-2006, 12:55 PM

I like Bendis.

Amen

archetype

02-04-2006, 10:35 PM

maxx

02-04-2006, 10:42 PM

wtf...just read wikipedia of bart and wally to see wut was going on..it said the speedforce is gone?!

Zephyranthes

02-04-2006, 10:59 PM

I just picked up GL #8, Xmen & F4 in the ultimate universe, I couldn't find book of doom 3 tho i guess its not out yet. I also got JUSTICE #1, #2 and #3, it looks hot. And also the INHUMANS trade from the marvel knights. Why is Black Bolt so pimp? Im reading now the THE WALKING DEAD, and marvel knights fantastic 4 Black Panther almost tapped mrs. fantastic's ass haha.

Hmm, you should check with your comics shop because Books Of Doom #3 came out already. And I'm always down with hearing about Inhumans and Walking Dead love. Inhumans just might be my favorite Marvel comic ever. It's definitely one of the best superhero comics to come out in the past several years.

Carpet Lint

02-05-2006, 12:00 AM

Bendis is a good writer. One of the best. I have enjoyed a lot of his books.

That said, there's a bunch of things about his writing that bug me, so that I can't quite name him as one of my favourites.

I can never enjoy the static heads/fifteen panels per page/nothing but talking bits. Bendis writes great dialogue, but there's way too much of it. His characters talk for the sake of talking. I like some of his issues devoted to nothing but talk, because he's also good at developing characters, but a lot of the time those just come off as boring to me. Like you have to wait thirty days for the next issue, and after you're done reading it, you sit back and realize "...um...so...nothing happened? They just talked and hugged a lot?" and that's crap.

Also, he is the worst issue padder I have ever seen. A three issue story for Bendis becomes six or eight parts. Ultimate Six took seven issues. SEVEN ISSUES. House of M could have been over in four issues. And as consumers that have to wait thirty days to pay four bucks for a twenty two pages of content, I feel that we should be more pissed at this problem than we currently are.

It can all be fixed with a competent editor, but since Bendis writes like...ALL of Marvel's books and everyone there's too busy sucking him off, there's no one to do anything about it. And why would they? He makes the books sell like hotcakes, and there's no reason to complain or to change how he does it. He IS Marvel.

I just personally don't like to burn four bucks out of my wallet to buy a meaningless issue when I could be using it to buy other, better made books. And I don't like needing to wait an additional four months for a story to finish.

He is a good writer though. You can't say otherwise. Despite the pacing problems I have with New Avengers, it's still one of my favourite books every month. And he writes too many books and too many important books for Marvel for you to boycott him.

So I like Bendis. But I am understanding of the hate against him, and I fully condone it.

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I'm picking up Books of Doom as well (and yes, #3 came out like two or three weeks ago, I think), pretty much only because it's written by Brubaker. I like it so far, but it's gotta pick up and this story needs to have a purpose soon.

And I had picked up Thing #1 when it came out, but it didn't really impress me at all, so I didn't continue. Were the next couple of issues good?

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Inhumans by Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee is definately one of my favourite stories ever. It's written so excellently - it's completely water tight in it's awesomeness. You can find absolutely no fault in any of the writing. And Jae Lee's usual awesome anyway, and although Inhumans was somewhat earlier and his art was still a bit more stylized, it works really well for the book.

I like it a lot because most, if not all the issues, are somewhat self-contained and episodic in feeling, but there's always the big overall story that's evident and at the foreground at all times. It's just really neat how the perspective shifts each time, and how well it's told in each of the different perspectives.

And I guess Paul Jenkins didn't really redesign the whole Inhumans culture/lifestyle/whatnot, but he flushed it out more, which was really neat.

(Inhumans was such a well written story - THAT's what makes the quality of Origin so hard to handle. It's like watching Kobe score 81 one game and then struggle to score 8 the next.)

And after reading Inhumans and Earth X (awesome costume design, with the knight armour faceplate thing), it's impossible for Black Bolt NOT to become one of your favourite characters. The guy is so motherfucking pimp.

I think he even out-pimps Grant Morrison ("I know your secret." BAM, circle of fire. "Your move.") Batman and Old And Grumpy "This Is An Operating Table" Batman COMBINED.

And how cool is his concept? He can't ever talk because if he did, he'd blow up the world? And he has to meditate for an hour every night just to clear his head of random thoughts so he doesn't accidentally mutter something in his sleep? So awesome.

Hopefully he gets a lot of screen time in that big Marvel crossover that's coming. I'm all crossovered out, but I'd be lying if I said that I didn't think THIS ONE, at least, sounded a interesting. That secret panel of Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Namor, Black Bolt, and Charlie - neat idea.

box

02-05-2006, 12:04 AM

wtf...just read wikipedia of bart and wally to see wut was going on..it said the speedforce is gone?!

Yup. See Infinite crisis 4.

I just picked up GL #8, Xmen & F4 in the ultimate universe, I couldn't find book of doom 3 tho i guess its not out yet. I also got JUSTICE #1, #2 and #3, it looks hot. And also the INHUMANS trade from the marvel knights. Why is Black Bolt so pimp? Im reading now the THE WALKING DEAD, and marvel knights fantastic 4 Black Panther almost tapped mrs. fantastic's ass haha.

Justice is a good read so far. I don't think DC is promoting as much as they should this since it doesn't have anything to do with Infinite crisis, but I still think everyone should be picking this up.

ChairHome

02-05-2006, 12:08 AM

wtf...just read wikipedia of bart and wally to see wut was going on..it said the speedforce is gone?!

Yeah, it happened in IC 4. Spoilers:

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Superboy was going crazy, the three flashes (wally, bart, and jay) try to push him into the speed force. Jay couldn't hold it together (cause he's too old), so he bailed, Something started happening to Wally (apparently disappearing into the speed force before pushing superboy into it) and he took his family with him, then Barry Allen, Max Mercury, and Johnny Quick (all deceased speedsters thought to be part of the speed force now) appear and help bart take him into the speed force. They all disappear, and Jay Garrick is left, telling Catman that the Speed Force is gone. The Flash series (Wally West) has ended also, with a new one starting (at #1) in a few months. I think Bart will be the new Flash. Either the Speed Force will come back or he'll learn some other speed trick.
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OrangeCat

02-05-2006, 12:25 AM

Cap am hates black people

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9193/cap2ky.jpg

OC

The Bucket Of Truth

02-05-2006, 12:39 AM

and Old And Grumpy "This Is An Operating Table" Batman COMBINED.oh no you didnt

abacabb

02-05-2006, 01:14 AM

Cap am hates black people

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9193/cap2ky.jpg

OC
he called them liitle brown rats:sad: this is a sad day in my life OC

archetype

02-05-2006, 02:20 AM

Yeah box i didn't even know JUSTICE was out. I was like wtf is this and checked it out and picked it up. Also when I picked up inhumans the store owner was like "that is one of my favorite books ever lol.

Ive read about Earth, Universe, Paradise X and they seem really cool and interesting. Anyone here read them. I think I might pick them up.

Carpet Lint

02-05-2006, 02:36 AM

oh no you didnt
OH YES I DID

Ive read about Earth, Universe, Paradise X and they seem really cool and interesting. Anyone here read them. I think I might pick them up.
Earth X is cool to read - very neat ideas behind the Marvel Universe. You should definately read that at some point when you're bored.

As for Universe X and Paradise X...eh...I don't know. They got tedious after a while, and I lost interest at a couple of points during each one. I had to force myself to get back into it, like it was homework. After everything that happens in Earth X, it just seems everything afterwards just drags on.

That's just me though. I have issues with words. And...reading.

FistsofFury

02-05-2006, 02:51 AM

New Spider-man costume:
http://www.marvel.com/publishing/stories/showstory.htm?id=67

I am officially quitting Spider-Man after the Other.

That can't be the final product...ew. At least change the colors to the OG Spiderman colors and it would be alright.

And yes...Infinite Crisis is shaping up to be nice.

Superboy killed/maimed a lot of people in #4. Like so many that I have a feeling when this is all over they will all be back. And the Flash gone?! wtf.

Mr_Punkus

02-05-2006, 07:08 AM

Dammit, if everyone is posting spoilers about Infintie Crisis, then I am too:

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'kay, remember how in Crisis on Infinite Earths (mid '80s crossover) there was an alternate Superman, alternate Superboy, and the son of Lex Luthor (who was a hero in another reality) named Alexander Luthor? and about hwo they diecided not live in our reality as there was already a superman, and it wasn't their home? They decide live in a nexus, watching for the return of the main bad-guy of that story, the Anti-monitor. See how in Villians United, there appeared to be two Lex Luthors? One with the Injustice Society, and one who was supporting the secret six? And see how everyone in justice League thought superman had gone crazy becuase he alledgely beat up and hospitalized batman?

WELL, it turns out that the lex luthor with the injustice society is really Alexander Luthor. All the super-powered acts of violence and batman's ass-whipping came from superBOY not superman. Turns out that psycho-pirate was manipulating batman, wonder woman, and superman in order to cause tension between them, and break up the Justice League.

Alexander and alternate superboy beleive the currewnt DC universe's heroes are doing a bad job, and their own universe's heroes could do much better. They plan to destroy our universe, and replace it with their own. Alternate superman isn't too sure about this, but alexander convices him that he can heal alt. supes' wife (alt. lois lane) if alt/ supes helps to kick the DC heroes butt.

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maxx

02-05-2006, 07:38 AM

Yeah, it happened in IC 4. Spoilers:

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Superboy was going crazy, the three flashes (wally, bart, and jay) try to push him into the speed force. Jay couldn't hold it together (cause he's too old), so he bailed, Something started happening to Wally (apparently disappearing into the speed force before pushing superboy into it) and he took his family with him, then Barry Allen, Max Mercury, and Johnny Quick (all deceased speedsters thought to be part of the speed force now) appear and help bart take him into the speed force. They all disappear, and Jay Garrick is left, telling Catman that the Speed Force is gone. The Flash series (Wally West) has ended also, with a new one starting (at #1) in a few months. I think Bart will be the new Flash. Either the Speed Force will come back or he'll learn some other speed trick.
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so i take it my favorite titan is gonna be absent from teen titans till summer as well.

is the summer when the one year laters start?

KungfuJoe

02-05-2006, 07:57 AM

so i take it my favorite titan is gonna be absent from teen titans till summer as well.

is the summer when the one year laters start?

Nope one year later titles start as of march or april and 52 is right behind that as well.

KFJ

KungfuJoe

02-05-2006, 12:12 PM

Cap am hates black people

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9193/cap2ky.jpg

OC

That looks like kirby era cap (1940's by the way)

box

02-05-2006, 12:17 PM

That can't be the final product...ew. At least change the colors to the OG Spiderman colors and it would be alright.

Here's the final product: http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/ASM529.jpg

Notice the extra arms a la Doc Ock.

Sheng-Long

02-05-2006, 01:09 PM

That costume is not gonna go past Civil War.

Don't we have a pool running on this thing?

ChairHome

02-05-2006, 01:20 PM

And yes...Infinite Crisis is shaping up to be nice.

Superboy killed/maimed a lot of people in #4. Like so many that I have a feeling when this is all over they will all be back. And the Flash gone?! wtf.

Somewhat more spoiling.
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I don't think they'll be back. These events are sort of a "cleaning house" for these companies , too (the first Crisis on Infinite Earths was a big clean up). The people that died were pretty much third string (yeah, not even second) characters that nobody cared about. As for the Flash, the third series is starting soon, so we'll see who the new flash is. And it better be Bart. Heads up though, the creative team said that for this third series, "Don't get attached to the first person you see in the Flash suit".
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Preppy

02-05-2006, 02:10 PM

That costume is not gonna go past Civil War.

Don't we have a pool running on this thing?There was an interview with Straczynski where he confirmed you shouldn't expect to see the new suit after 2007. So yeah - I'd imagine it "dies" in the Civil War. Maybe it'll go the Venom route? :wink:

KungfuJoe

02-05-2006, 02:16 PM

Somewhat more spoiling.
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I don't think they'll be back. These events are sort of a "cleaning house" for these companies , too (the first Crisis on Infinite Earths was a big clean up). The people that died were pretty much third string (yeah, not even second) characters that nobody cared about. As for the Flash, the third series is starting soon, so we'll see who the new flash is. And it better be Bart. Heads up though, the creative team said that for this third series, "Don't get attached to the first person you see in the Flash suit".
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yep he is right more than likely most if all will stay dead and the rest will be revamped either as a male or female.

as for bart becoming the new flash that is a big stretch there

ChairHome

02-05-2006, 02:30 PM

yep he is right more than likely most if all will stay dead and the rest will be revamped either as a male or female.

as for bart becoming the new flash that is a big stretch there

Well, people have been talking about Jesse Quick becoming the new flash, but I don't know about that. I don't think they'd use an unknown, but I could be wrong. I'm hoping that Bart will come back from the Speed Force (or wherever he went) grown up (maybe some time travel involved). Here is some of the concept art for the new series:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=58283&highlight=flash

maxx

02-05-2006, 03:17 PM

Well, people have been talking about Jesse Quick becoming the new flash, but I don't know about that. I don't think they'd use an unknown, but I could be wrong. I'm hoping that Bart will come back from the Speed Force (or wherever he went) grown up (maybe some time travel involved). Here is some of the concept art for the new series:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=58283&highlight=flash

jesse has denied her hertiage as a flash. summed up to some bullshit magical formula...i think thats the most hilarious part about jesse and her father.

the magic formula they buy into but the speedforce was too far fetched for them for the longest time.

wait...how the fuck did she get her powers back? she lost them a madd long time ago from wut i remember.

i need tradebacks now!

don't forget we still have the flash twins to deal with as a possibility..though the picture isn't the girl obviously.

ChairHome

02-05-2006, 05:33 PM

When Wally was fighting Zoom, she gave him his speed so he could fight Zoom. Since then she has forgotten the 'magic formula' that gives her speed.

maxx

02-05-2006, 05:44 PM

When Wally was fighting Zoom, she gave him his speed so he could fight Zoom. Since then she has forgotten the 'magic formula' that gives her speed.

ya thats the fight...so it can't be jesse.

ClouDC

02-05-2006, 07:40 PM

Cap am hates black people

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9193/cap2ky.jpg

OC

lol

well superman hates people...

http://superman.ws/tales2/whotook/3/3.gif

Wellman

02-05-2006, 09:00 PM

lol

well superman hates people...

http://superman.ws/tales2/whotook/3/3.gif

Best six panels of Superman I have seen in weeks, on that note has the second issue of All Star Superman hit the stands yet?

FreddyL0c0

02-05-2006, 09:03 PM

yup

Wellman

02-05-2006, 10:45 PM

Cool, might try to pick that up after pay day.

Zephyranthes

02-06-2006, 03:52 PM

That costume is not gonna go past Civil War.

Don't we have a pool running on this thing?

Yeah, we do. We're betting on how many issues that costume will appear. I think I said something like 43 (just picked a random number, really) and Clinty said 67? Or something. What say you?

P. Gorath

02-06-2006, 06:33 PM

how come IC isnt 12 issues like COIE was? is each issue 48 pgs at least?

Nemesis00

02-06-2006, 06:55 PM

Hmm, let's see. Six issue story arcs. Amazing, Sensation and Friendly Neighborhood. New Avengers. Civil War is seven issues. Random tie in appearances. A few issues afterwards. I'm going to say 45.

FistsofFury

02-06-2006, 07:11 PM

Here's the final product: http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/ASM529.jpg

Notice the extra arms a la Doc Ock.

I don't get the mech extra arms. What are they for?

And yeah..can't see this costume going past 07.

Zephyranthes

02-06-2006, 08:28 PM

Would that be... The year 2007 or the number, as in 07 issues?

FistsofFury

02-06-2006, 08:35 PM

lol the year 2007.

Carpet Lint

02-07-2006, 01:04 AM

lol the year 2007.

PUT A NUMBER DOWN YOU PUSSY

It hasn't actually appeared in an issue yet, has it? Because as soon as it does, we'll have to make note of it.

Sheng-Long

02-07-2006, 04:44 AM

Put me down for 30

abacabb

02-07-2006, 07:02 AM

ill go with 35. that seems like a good number

archetype

02-07-2006, 09:34 AM

Just finished INHUMANS. I recommend it to all. Great story Black Bolt is a beast.

gabrielzero

02-07-2006, 04:30 PM

Finished the latest Walking Dead issue. I loved it.

Can't wait to see what happens next. I don't want to spoil it for anyone , but the story is getting better.

box

02-08-2006, 12:47 PM

Picked up Supergirl and Young Avengers. (Spoilers)

Young Avengers was good. More clues were dropped about Hulking's father though nothing was revealed. In the previous issue, he mentioned that his father died of cancer and his mom is a skrull. In this issue, we find out that both the skrulls and the kree want him. Clues point to a pretty obvious suspect at this point.

Supergirl is one of DC's few titles in the main DC universe that isn't dealing with infinite crisis. This arc seems pretty childish so far. Supergirl vs JSA. Supergirl vs Teen Titans. Supergirl vs the Outsiders. And now Supergirl vs JLA. Artwork is good at least.

Pained Auron

02-08-2006, 09:27 PM

you guys should pick up teen titans #32. they have the whole superboy vs the world fight from IC4. no cutting away to show people dying in space. truly awesome shit

archetype

02-08-2006, 11:12 PM

Anyone reading Justice? I just read the first issue and the story and concept seem pretty tight IMO. I never knew black manta was actually black! WTFZ How many black superheros have the prefix "black" in their name? Black Manta, Black Panther etc..

Final issue of ghost rider came out. Also, I still can't find book of doom 3 it sold out with the quickness. I picked up Ultimate Extinction #1 too. I looked for Earth X but it was all gone. Finally, Marvel Zombies is hilarious and fucked up from what Ive seen in the comic store lol.

Nemesis00

02-11-2006, 08:32 AM

Silver Surfer appears in Planet Hulk!
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Hulk/hulk95.jpg

The Ultimate Frightful Four!
http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF37art/ULTFF030_cov_col.jpg

Wellman

02-11-2006, 12:20 PM

Anyone reading Justice? I just read the first issue and the story and concept seem pretty tight IMO. I never knew black manta was actually black! WTFZ How many black superheros have the prefix "black" in their name? Black Manta, Black Panther etc..

Black Talon, Black Vulcan, I think there is a Black Lightning as well. Also there might be a character in Marvel called Black Goliath, I am not sure but he was in the 1st issue of the new Thing series.

Silver Surfer appears in Planet Hulk!
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Hulk/hulk95.jpg

The Ultimate Frightful Four!
http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF37art/ULTFF030_cov_col.jpg

Silver Surfer as a gladiator? I may have to try this storyline afterall.

Doom looking more like classic than mutant hobo back with the zombies? God bless you Mark Millar.

Adam Warlock

02-11-2006, 12:23 PM

is 49 taken? If not, gimme that beyotch.

Rogue328

02-11-2006, 01:37 PM

Might as well make an appearance in the comic thread as well.

Been a while since I posted, and lots of things in comics have changed.

To whoever it was that said House of M could've been 4 issues, I agree 100%. But, it was a decent story, nonetheless. Don't know how I feel about Wolverine getting his "memory" back, but we'll see how it plays out over the next year or so.

Infinite Crisis is not great so far, but I think it's just a set up for what DC plans to do over the next few years, kind of how Identity Crisis set things up for this crossover. I won't pass judgment on it yet, but so far I'm enjoying it. Except for Power Girls new look. It's life Liefeld sketched her out for Phil Jimenez.

Liefeld: Dude, she needs more abs. Put some abs under armpits. And put some on her biceps, too.
Jimenez: Are you sure about this?
Leifeld: Of course I am. Didn't you see my work on Teen Titans?

Invincible and The Walking Dead, kicking ass as always. Invincible is getting pushed back more and more. I wonder if it's because of Kirkman, or maybe Ryan Ottley needs a break from penciling. Walking Dead is coming out on a somewhat normal schedule. Will these two books eventually become part of the Icon line? I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel proposed that idea already to keep Kirkman under wraps. Marvel doesn't let anyone write Ultimate X-Men, which is a strong vote of confidence.

I didn't check back to see if you guys covered this, but how about Loeb and Madureira on The Ultimates? Thoughts, comments? Hope I didn't miss this boat.

RockBogart

02-11-2006, 03:12 PM

Fuck tradition, I like it. He had to come sometime. Just about every hero has changed their costume to extent atleast once or twice. Even subtle changes made to the Superman costume were ok

Million

02-11-2006, 05:00 PM

whoah whoah...Joe Mad is back to DOING THINGS again?! When did this happen? Also, just what is going on with Superboy vs. the world? I've heard this on that Fresh Ink segment of aots on G4 recently(yep, Blair Butler = I'd hit....despite the fact she looks crazy.)

Invincible also looks interesting from what I heard on that segment....the art is great, imo....but yeah, what's the basic rundown on how Superboy has become a badass all of a sudden? I've been out of the loop on comics for too long now...

*did anyone else see the commercials for the Ultimate Avengers movie?(straight dvd release)

Carpet Lint

02-11-2006, 08:27 PM

Joe Mad and Jeph Loeb are taking over The Ultimates right? So that won't happen until the current run is over.

And that won't happen until Marvel puts the book out on time.

And that won't happen for another three years.

So don't worry about missing it yet. Plus there should be a lot of talk about it in this thread when it comes around.

Didn't someone post the trailer for that movie earlier in this thread? Or was that another thread...?

The voice acting is so odd. Nothing like the voices I imagine in my head when I read the comics. I don't know how I can watch a comic book cartoon without suitable voices.

Invincible's good, and you should check it out if for no other reason in that you don't need to know forty year's worth of continuity. New character, new universe, new everything!

The current big DC crossover Infinite Crisis has the old Pre-Cris Alex Luthor and Superboy as the baddies who have returned and want to like...un-Crisis everything...or something. And the last issue had Superboy punch the heads off of a couple of fourth rate characters before he got taken down by the Flashes.

Don't ask for any more explaination because I barely understand it myself. I don't know how new readers are expected to know or care about anything in Infinite Crisis if an already established comic book nerd like me is completely lost about it.

I mean...Uncle Sam? Old Pre-Crisis Superman survived the original Crisis and returned by punching a hole in the space time warp bubble space thing...? What the hell? Fuck this shit.

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Ultimate Extinction is looking interesting. I have no idea who Misty Knight is though, but I know I should. I'm guessing she's related to the Luke Cage/Iron Fist jive talkin' 70's martial arts street level brusin' universe. No idea on what the hell she has to do with Galactus aside from the fact that Warren Ellis thought it would be really cool to throw in a random noname character just for kicks.

This might be the first time I've seen the Silver Surfer wearing clothes. Pimp.

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Ghost Rider was excellent. Again...the art was fucking ridiculous. I don't know how it can look that great and not come out five months late like every other Marvel book with a decent artist, but hurray for Clayton Crain.

Standard Warren Ellis story too, which means it was awesome.

Everyone who didn't check it out the first time around should definately pick up the trade or something when it eventually gets collected.

Nemesis00

02-11-2006, 08:59 PM

"have no idea who Misty Knight is though, but I know I should. I'm guessing she's related to the Luke Cage/Iron Fist jive talkin' 70's martial arts street level brusin' universe."
DING! She was a member of Heroes for Hire.

The ending for Ghost Rider was pointless. We basically end up where we started with no character movement.

Pained Auron

02-11-2006, 09:04 PM

about the ultimates movie: i just saw it like an hour ago, and the voices really aren't that bad. i just got back from wondercon, and had a few books signed by rucka, stuart moore, frank cho, and i got xfactor 3 double signed by sook and peter david

Carpet Lint

02-11-2006, 09:44 PM

The ending for Ghost Rider was pointless. We basically end up where we started with no character movement.
But it's the journey that counts!

I can't complain about stories reverting to the status quo in comics.

________________

THE POOL

30 - Shengy
35 - abacabby
43 - Zephy
45 - Nemy
49 - Warlocky
67 - THE LINTSTER

Every single time the new Spider-Man costume appears in any issue, it must be reported and officially counted in THE COUNT.

THE COUNT

...

THE PRIZE

Winner gets to rape all the losers. Or something. We'll wing it.

Judging by the fact that my number is the only one that stands out, that can only mean that Carpet Lint will remain victorious over all the other non-descript guesses.

I hope he appears in one single issue, shows off all his fancy new powers, gets killed by Jean Loring or whatever at the end, and the death of Spider-Man is the big event that kicks off the whole crossover. Then we will all laugh. And then we would all need to rape each other.

THE RULES

Rule #1 - You do not talk about Fight Club.

...or something...I don't know, whatever.

Winner has the number that is the closest, over or under regardless.

Now all that's left is to decide on an official mascot.

KungfuJoe

02-11-2006, 09:44 PM

Black Talon, Black Vulcan, I think there is a Black Lightning as well. Also there might be a character in Marvel called Black Goliath, I am not sure but he was in the 1st issue of the new Thing series.

the only exception in this equation is black adam

KFJ

Zephyranthes

02-12-2006, 05:58 PM

Old Pre-Crisis Superman survived the original Crisis and returned by punching a hole in the space time warp bubble space thing...? What the hell? Fuck this shit.

If that quotation were a jersey, we'd hang it in the rafters.

Wasn't Ghost Rider written by Garth Ennis and not Warren Ellis? I know their last names rhyme and stuff, but someone's got to get with the program here.

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I think I used to have a '90s Surfer comic (Ron Lim and Ron Marz era) where he wore clothes. There was this one story where somehow the Surfer went into the land of dead cosmic guys and teamed up with Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell). The ruler of the land of the dead was a Black Surfer who looked exactly like the Silver Surfer except I think the Black Surfer was Black (but he was shiny in a black way). However, I don't think that Black Surfer had any African roots at all. Anyway, so the Silver Surfer wouldn't be mistaken as the evil Black Surfer, the Silver Surfer got a disguise and wore some robes. I remember that story vaguely but fondly, mainly because there was a scene in which the Surfer and Captain Marvel roasted a chicken over a fire. (Got no idea how they found a live chicken to kill and cook when they were already in the land of the dead, though.) Surfer took a bite out of a drumstick and said, "Ah... Food. It's been so long since I've chosen to eat something that I've forgotten what a pleasure eating is."

Come to think of it, there was also a Surfer issue during the Infinity Gauntlet stuff (so, it musta been somewhere between 51-60) where Surfer and Thanos fought, and they wore armor like the Knights of the Roundtable. But it was a dream sequence, so U-DECIDE!!!1

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RE: Spider-Pool

I say that it's gotta be an exact count. None of this sissy over/under stuff. I mean look at that list. What if the amount of issues totals up to 44? We can't be having a tie between Zephy and Nemy. No ties. Not with what we have at stake here.

Anyone else going to make a bet? How about we give everyone until this Tuesday to join our pool. After Tuesday, the Spider-Pool is closed and we'll see who comes out on top.

Nemesis00

02-12-2006, 06:05 PM

Price is Right rules. Whoever gets closest without going over wins. Exact amount wins. Losers get anally raped with Rob Liefeld's sketchbook. IT'S RIPPING TIME!

abacabb

02-12-2006, 06:22 PM

Price is Right rules. Whoever gets closest without going over wins. Exact amount wins. Losers get anally raped with Rob Liefeld's sketchbook. IT'S RIPPING TIME!
That's so fucked up!! I hope I win.

Pained Auron

02-12-2006, 07:18 PM

http://www.newsarama.com/WonderCon2006/DCU/IC5cover.JPG

that is the full lee cover to IC 5

Tantin

02-12-2006, 07:43 PM

Price is right style? One issue.

maxx

02-12-2006, 07:59 PM

http://www.newsarama.com/WonderCon2006/DCU/IC5cover.JPG

that is the full lee cover to IC 5

god lee is a legend....that cover is pimpin to me.

vpt_whatup

02-12-2006, 08:09 PM

god lee is a legend....that cover is pimpin to me.Word to that. Anybody know if they are making a graphic novel of his new Batman thing? What else is he working on, BTW?

Zephyranthes

02-12-2006, 08:50 PM

Yeah, All-Star Batman and Robin will surely be collected into a paperback. If you wait long enough I'm sure they'll do a hardcover and possibly even an Absolute Edition. But it's gonna be a good long while. Sometimes DC isn't too prompt with their collected editions. And even if they were, the Batman comic itself is taking forever to come out. It's already been about eight months and they've only released 3 issues. It was supposed to be on a 6 week schedule, but now I guess it just comes out whenever it's done. So I expect a good year or so before we see a collection.

However, we've got to warn you. All-Star Batman isn't very good. If I were in a belligerent mood, I might even say that All-Star Batman sucks. But I'm feeling pretty good about comics right now, so I'll just say that it just isn't very good.

All-Star Superman by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely, on the other hand, kicks all sorts of ass. Only two issues in and it's already shaping up to be one of THE best Superman stories ever.

Nemesis00

02-12-2006, 08:54 PM

Price is right style? One issue.
OH SNAP!

vpt_whatup

02-12-2006, 08:55 PM

Thanks for the feedback, Zephyranthes. I thought the dream-team would be solid, but I guess that I'll have to check out a few issues to decide for myself.

Anyways, can you recommend any other Batman titles that are similar to the last movie? Not really origin related, but more about Bruce Wayne than Batman.

Orochi Ken

02-12-2006, 08:58 PM

When does Spidey's new costume debut?

And, whats the deal with this Marvel Civil War thing?

Nemesis00

02-12-2006, 09:07 PM

It debuts in the next issue of Amazing.

Wellman

02-12-2006, 09:15 PM

When does Spidey's new costume debut?

And, whats the deal with this Marvel Civil War thing?

Also it debuts in like issue 6 or 8 in Friendly Neighborhood Spidey, so you can get the classic Spidey there for a few issues and no telling about how long it will stick out, probably about three issues. Also Sensational Spiderman aka MK Spidey is pretty damn good.

Anyone else reading The Goon?

Zephyranthes

02-12-2006, 09:16 PM

Umm, I'm not exactly sure when the new Spider Costume debuts... I think it might be the next issue of Amazing Spider-Man, whatever number that is.

As for Batman stories with a lot of Bruce Wayne in them... Hmm... That's a really hard one. Other than Year One... Hmm. There's a two part Prestige Format story called Batman: Tenses. It was published in 2003. Joe Casey wrote it and the art is by Cully Hamner (inks by Dexter Vines). That is a really, really good Batman story and not many people know about it because it was never collected. But it's well worth seeking out. The story is very good but the art is just superb- makes the entire experience top tier. And there's plenty of Bruce Wayne (and even a little bit of semi-Wildcats Version 3.0-esque corporate politics!) in there. I think it'll be just what you're looking for.

maxx

02-12-2006, 09:26 PM

yo where can i get wildcats 2.0 with charest i think thats his name...that art is crazy good. i only got the first issue a few years back..but i really wanna study that art.

Sheng-Long

02-12-2006, 09:32 PM

They aren't hard to find, I see them in the dollar bins actually.
price ranges from $1.00 to $1.50 CDN up here.

I dunno bout the trades.

Zephyranthes

02-12-2006, 09:54 PM

Yeah man, Travis Charest was awesome. Sheng-Long's right, if you look around you should be able to find his Wildcats volume 2 stuff in quarter or dollar bins. He only did like five or six issues of volume 2. All his volume 2 stories are collected in the Wildcats collection Street Smarts. The writer of that volume is Scott Lobdell, and there's also a couple fill-in artists in the book. Bryan Hitch did some of the fill-in art, so even that looks good.

Charest did a good amount of work on the first volume of Wildcats, back when it was WildC.A.T.s under Image. His good stuff started at WildC.A.T.s #15 or so, when James Robinson took over. Charest had a good streak of maybe 7 or 8 consecutive issues before he needed fill-in artists. Robinson wrote a pretty good story up to issue 20, and from there on, Alan Moore took the WildC.A.T.s to new heights. Yeah... Not too many people remember that Moore wrote the WildC.A.T.s (and Rob Liefeld's Supreme, for that matter), but he did, and it kicks the ass of most superhero comics. The Alan Moore/Travis Charest stuff is top tier. It is all collected into two trades- the first is titled Homecoming and the second is Gang War. If you're gonna dig through the back issue bins, I think those issues are 21-34.

Charest is one of my favorite artists, but his artwork is so meticulously crafted that it suffered under the rigors of a monthly comic. Often he'd require fill-in artists in an issue where he could only finish around 12-16 pages or so. And you could always tell when he was pressed for time because he'd have to skip on the backgrounds. But when he did have enough time, his stuff was so gold. I think he's American but his style is like those ultra detailed, super textured European artists. But he also had a great sense of storytelling. Alan Moore's stories really show off Charest's abilities. And Moore figured out a clever way to make it so that the fill-in art actually served a purpose. Too good.

ChairHome

02-13-2006, 06:57 AM

Any thoughts on the upcoming Frank Miller projects? "Holy Terror, Batman" is a terrible name. And it is propoganda, as he's stated.

More Sin City books on the way though...

Carpet Lint

02-13-2006, 09:00 AM

Wasn't Ghost Rider written by Garth Ennis and not Warren Ellis? I know their last names rhyme and stuff, but someone's got to get with the program here.
DAMMIT, brain freeze. I must have had Ellis on the brain.

That was just a massive, coincidental typo. That added letters.

Now that you mention it, I remember Silver Surfer #50 (I think it had a shiny cover) where he bumps into Thanos on the moon while on his way to warn Earth. He has flashbacks to when he was Norrin Radd (The Silver Surfer is a dude named Mr. Radd? Who's responsible for this? Stan Lee?) and he's pink, fully clothed, and has pupils.

But that was a Mind Gem induced flashback sequence...so...that's iffy too.

That cyber knights duel issue was awesome. Thanos had like an axe and everything, I think.

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I've been meaning to check out WildCATS 2.0, because my friend keeps telling me about it, and everytime I go "Yeah, I've been meaning to check that out..." and I just forget about it the next time I'm at the store.

But now I have trade names and issue numbers and I shall surely not forget.

I mix up Travis Charest with Jay Anacleto sometimes...I could have sworn that Charest worked on Athena Inc. I've just read a couple random issues here and there so I guess I'm not really familiar with it. My cousin has an artbook for it though for some reason, and that's awesome.

Travis Charest blows my mind though. I haven't even seen too many issues, but I just know his art is too good.
http://www.travischarestgallery.com

_____________

THE SPIDER-POOL

1 - Tantinny
30 - Shengy
35 - abacabby
43 - Zephy
45 - Nemy
49 - Warlocky
67 - THE LINTSTER

THE SPIDER-COUNT

...

We're not doing Price of Right style though. Makes more sense to hit it exact, with all high stakes in consideration. So if you want to change your number, go right ahead 'tinny. Otherwise I'll just leave you in for exactly one issue.

I saw this one time where the second to last person guessed "One dollar, Bob!" And then the last person asks Bob what she guessed, Bob tells him "One dollar!" and he thinks for a second and goes "Five dollars, Bob!"

I could not stop laughing at that for the longest time. I don't know if he won and got up on stage, but I hope he did.

archetype

02-13-2006, 09:12 AM

count me in the spider pool. Im going to say 53!

RoninChaos

02-13-2006, 09:30 AM

47, bitches.

ShinkuuR

02-13-2006, 10:29 AM

I want in this shit. Can I get 42?

maxx

02-13-2006, 11:15 AM

spider-man....how longs a year? fuck i dunno how many issues but i say he keeps it till a year from now.

ViciousSLASH

02-13-2006, 11:18 AM

I want 10 in the spider pool.

Also, fuck infinite Crisis, DC should've called it, "Clean Up Our Bullshit, AGAIN"

Carpet Lint

02-13-2006, 11:18 AM

I'm gonna bold the title because it looks more pimp that way.

THE SPIDER-POOL

1 - Tantinny
10 - Small Whitey
30 - Shengy
35 - abacabby
42 - Shinny
43 - Zephy
45 - Nemy
47 - Big Whitey
49 - Warlocky
53 - archy
67 - THE LINTSTER

THE SPIDER-COUNT

...

No one else in the 60's? What's the deal? I'm the only one?

HOW TO PARTICIPATE: Roll eleven dice (...or one dice eleven times, if you're a pussy) and post what you got.

maxx

02-13-2006, 11:30 AM

I want 10 in the spider pool.

Also, fuck infinite Crisis, DC should've called it, "Clean Up Our Bullshit, AGAIN"

duh...haven't you figured out thats what these are?

crisis on multiple w/e

zero hour

infinite crisis

house of m

onslaught

their all clean up our bullshit stuff, they think its a way to streamline their comics and maybe make new stories when all it does is create more headaches for readers and more bullshit.

house of m cleaned up the muties...but now its like wow way to just shit on what some other writers did.

P. Gorath

02-13-2006, 11:54 AM

it doesnt feel like infinite crisis is about cleaning up timeline stuff and character weirdness like COIE or zero hour, but rather is about cleaning up the way that the icons have been lead down the line in terms of their personalities and conflicts ie retconning asshole batman

ViciousSLASH

02-13-2006, 12:01 PM

duh...haven't you figured out thats what these are?

I have, which is why I typed "AGAIN"

Both the companies should just Ultimize EVERYTHING and save everyong a lot of trouble and time.

I love DC's "All Star comics" If they had nuts they'd call it "Ultimate" just to piss marvel off.

PGorath is right, they are making it a point to clean up the multiple supermen, flashes, and GLs. At least I think they are.

After Crisis, everything should be set back to number 1, and the number 0 for the collection nerds.

And then NEVER RESET AGAIN. I'd give DC about a year before they fucked EVERYTHING up, again.

Same with Marvel. Both those companies have no idea what they are doing.

Sheng-Long

02-13-2006, 12:25 PM

speaking of rebooting universes:

http://www.newsarama.com/Wildstorm2/preview/WS_Future.htm
...
Wildcats is debuting in August with Grant Morrison and Jim Lee. The Authority in September with Grant and Gene Ha, and will be published on alternating months than Wildcats. You'll be seeing a number of titles before the end of the year, including Deathblow by Brian Azzarello and Carlos D'Anda, Gen13 by Gail Simone and Talent Caldwell, Wetworks by Mike Carey and Whilce Portacio, and the solo Midnighter book by Garth Ennis and Chris Sprouse. There will be others as well...

Sounds awesome, esp with Grant Morrison at the helm. Although I'm pretty sure Deathblow is dead, but hey, It's a reboot!!! plus Azarello is writing it. I couldn't think of a more perfect writer for that title (maybe Ennis, but he's doing Midnighter!!!)

Originally posted by: Zephyrantes

Charest is one of my favorite artists, but his artwork is so meticulously crafted that it suffered under the rigors of a monthly comic. Often he'd require fill-in artists in an issue where he could only finish around 12-16 pages or so. And you could always tell when he was pressed for time because he'd have to skip on the backgrounds. But when he did have enough time, his stuff was so gold. I think he's American but his style is like those ultra detailed, super textured European artists. But he also had a great sense of storytelling. Alan Moore's stories really show off Charest's abilities. And Moore figured out a clever way to make it so that the fill-in art actually served a purpose. Too good.

yeah he's awesome. I think he's from Montreal and now he lives in Paris. I miss his pencil work. Right now I think Leinil Yu's style is the closest and evolving IMO into Charest's style after seeing Leinil's work on Wildstorm's Silent Dragon.

FreddyL0c0

02-13-2006, 12:31 PM

Ultimate Extinction 2 ---- pretty good stuff, Silver Surfer, although not a fan of his look, is pretty cool in this issue.

Young Avengers ------ oooh boy, shit is getting fucked up for hulkling...

Ares 2: Nice issue, though not a big fan of pages with lots of small panels that contain action.

Ultimate X-Men: Sabretooth storline rocks, and Lilandra makes mention of the entity that was bound to die and resurect a million times, thus setting up prob the biggest storyline for these heroes.

and last but certainely not least, i bought Planet Hulk, and it was gold. Great issue.

Teen Titans special and Ghost Rider 6 was sold-out. Is Ghost Rider that bad? cause i have all 5 previous issues, but didnt enjoy how the series was going, and im hearing pretty bad stuff about the last issue.

maxx

02-13-2006, 12:37 PM

I have, which is why I typed "AGAIN"

Both the companies should just Ultimize EVERYTHING and save everyong a lot of trouble and time.

I love DC's "All Star comics" If they had nuts they'd call it "Ultimate" just to piss marvel off.

PGorath is right, they are making it a point to clean up the multiple supermen, flashes, and GLs. At least I think they are.

After Crisis, everything should be set back to number 1, and the number 0 for the collection nerds.

And then NEVER RESET AGAIN. I'd give DC about a year before they fucked EVERYTHING up, again.

Same with Marvel. Both those companies have no idea what they are doing.

omg if they reset everything that'd be like the comic version of the crash lol..think of how many comics would be cancelled how many industry people out of the job holy shit that'd be nuts.

DA GAME

02-13-2006, 12:46 PM

What new comics came out last week?DA GAME is WAAAAAAY behind

maxx

02-13-2006, 12:50 PM

What new comics came out last week?DA GAME is WAAAAAAY behind

da game should have a comic newsite in his favorites...then da game could keep up.

Wellman

02-13-2006, 09:33 PM

Nemesis00

02-14-2006, 11:23 AM

The first four pages of the next New Avengers issue are up.

BIG TIME SPOILER
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59432

Adam Warlock

02-14-2006, 12:37 PM

Oh shizzle. Alpha Flizzle gets the pizzle in the hizzle mcnizzle for riz--- uh, what was I saying again?

Zephyranthes

02-14-2006, 12:50 PM

The WildStorm revamp sounds awesome. I'm still kinda skeptical about Jim Lee drawing Wildcats, but hey, the man created them so he can do what he wants. It's just, by the time Wildcats is supposed to come out, will Jim Lee even be finished with All-Star Batman? I've heard it stated that the Jim Lee/Miller run will last around 6-8 issues, but at WonderCon Miller said that they'd continue working on it together as long as they liked. So what's that supposed to mean?

Morrison is the man, so I'm trusting him to pick up the pieces where Joe Casey got cancelled. I know Morrison won't be doing Wildcats Version 4.0 but I know he's the master of revamping while paying his respect to what's come before. My dream is for Travis Charest to be the artist. In my fantasies, I imagine Charest is hard at work on Wildcats right now, and he's already finished 8 issues in the can. I'm quite the dreamer.

The Authority will be awesome, too. Gene Ha is so good. He does some really funky covers in which I think he uses some cool Photoshop trickery, but I love his pencils. His Top Ten stuff just owned pretty much every superhero artist.

And Azzarello on Deathblow may seem weird, as Deathblow is dead (unless they revive him). But... Have you ever read the Batman/Deathblow: After The Fire crossover? It was written by Azz with art by Lee Bermejo, and, I kid you not, really stands out as one of the finest intercompany crossovers ever (um, okay I guess WildStorm was owned by DC at the time, so it might have been incest). The thing in Batman/Deathblow, however, was that it took place in the present time, and took into account that Deathblow was already dead. So Batman and Deathblow never meet face to face or anything. If you can find a copy, I really recommend it because it's one of the most clever and sharply written crossovers I can think of. It pretty much breaks all the conventions of crossovers; I love it. So I would imagine that this new Deathblow comic would probably take place in the past, where Azz can just do his own thing on the character without having to worry about current WildStorm continuity.

Wetworks might be good, too. Carey is a pretty good writer. I need to get more of his work but one day I will get all those Lucifer books. Ennis/Sprouse on Midnighter should be great, too. Didn't really expect the two of them to join creative forces but I look forward to seeing the results of their union.

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Ya damn straight Silver Surfer's name is Norrin Radd, Clinty. You know what you gotta check out? The Essential Silver Surfer. All those old-school Stan Lee Surfer stories. They are rather dated but man that's some straight-up old-school hippie action right there. It's a trip. Maybe not a Grant Morrison trip, but a 1970s Stan Lee trip with hippie action. Plus, I think Silver Surfer is the one comic where Stan Lee's old trademarked zany, over-the-top melodramatic writing actually works in favor of the entertainment factor.

And you should definitely read up on those Wildcats comics. You can skip everything before Alan Moore, but start with his books. Then once you get started on the Joe Casey/Sean Phillips stuff, you'll be a Joe Casey fan and a Sean Phillips fan for life. WildC.A.T.s may have started out as a generic X-Men clone, but once Alan Moore and especially Casey wrote them, they became awesome and unique. Plus, I still think Warblade is one of the coolest Wolverine/Early '90s Badass knockoffs Jim Lee ever designed. And the Grifter's mask is one of the best designs to come out of the early '90s and Image period.

Sano

02-14-2006, 12:56 PM

To busy to dig through this thread right now, but whoever said to read Teen Titans 32 to get the full Superboy vs. TT fight, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

Wellman

02-14-2006, 08:34 PM

The first four pages of the next New Avengers issue are up.

BIG TIME SPOILER
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59432

Damn I thought they would get better treatment than THAT. The first time I ever felt sorry for Canadians that isn't in anyway related to their French background and shit.

Pained Auron

02-14-2006, 09:31 PM

To busy to dig through this thread right now, but whoever said to read Teen Titans 32 to get the full Superboy vs. TT fight, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

you're welcome

Geese Pants

02-15-2006, 09:44 AM

WTF?

I didn't get a chance to read Day of Vengance, but...................

Did Dr. Fate sacrifice himself to beat Spectre?

P. Gorath

02-15-2006, 10:09 AM

someone explain superboy to me. last i checked he was a leather-jacket and shades guy from workld without a superman. now i read superman: sacrifice and he looks a whole lot different and is living with the kents. same superboy? different?

ChairHome

02-15-2006, 10:41 AM

Same Superboy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy_%28Modern_Age%29

Basically, he matured and grew up, Cadmus was destroyed and Superman set him up to live with the Kents.

maxx

02-15-2006, 11:34 AM

Same Superboy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy_%28Modern_Age%29

Basically, he matured and grew up, Cadmus was destroyed and Superman set him up to live with the Kents.

also joined the teen titans

wut weird me out is their treated like their 16 or sumtin now....i thought when superboy first showed up he was 16 or 17.

what were all the young justice kids like 13?

ChairHome

02-15-2006, 11:44 AM

I think you mean the Teen Titans, unless I missed something along the way. I haven't really followed Superboy except for his recent stuff with the Titans.

Anyway, I've been keeping an eye on the covers for the May solicitations... I don't know if its been talked about before, but a lot of Earth-2 type things have shown up. Superman has the grey lines (but still looks youngish), and someone mentioned somewhere else that Huntress is wearing her Earth 2 costume and Power Girl looks Earth 2ish. I'm starting to think that by the time Infinite Crisis is over, certain people will merge with their earth 2 counterparts. Because I don't believe that Earth 2 superman will flat out take over the current one.

box

02-15-2006, 12:54 PM

Picked up New Avengers 16 and Justice 4.

Both were good reads.

Go ALPHA FLIGHT!!! Canada's Premiere super hero team. LOL.

Everyone pick up Justice right now.

P. Gorath

02-15-2006, 01:01 PM

marvel may solits are up. not really anything interesting on the graphic novel front. i wish they would release a deluxe winter soldier instead of the two tiny hardcovers

box

02-15-2006, 01:36 PM

May Solicits give people a better idea in the Spider-Pool.

Note that Spidey wears his new costume in the middle of the current sensational spidey-arc.

And he'll wear his new costume in the may friendly neighborhood spidey arc.

Tantin

02-15-2006, 01:37 PM

*Spoilers*

...So no one is going to mention ZombieHulk eating Silver Surfer's head?

*SpoliersEnded*

Bastards and your fancypants blue spoilers. Back in my day, Stan Lee personally shouted important events in current and future arcs from rooftops.

maxx

02-15-2006, 01:44 PM

use the color blue fucker!

Wellman

02-15-2006, 09:07 PM

I am still in shock over it actually but at least he gave up a good fight. Before one of the most unheard of events in my history of reading comics. I was going to buy the issue right there but the smarter voice inside me told me to get the Hardcover.

Better than a certain neighboring international super team.

Zephyranthes

02-15-2006, 09:44 PM

marvel may solits are up. not really anything interesting on the graphic novel front. i wish they would release a deluxe winter soldier instead of the two tiny hardcovers

I agree, a deluxe hardcover would be nice. But I'm still gonna get volume 2. Brubaker is just that damn good.

Speaking of whom, the new Daredevil came out today. Brubaker and Lark give us 34 pages of story for the same 3 bucks. It's a great first issue, too. Very accessible, and it's quality as to be expected from them. Bendis and Maleev already pretty much changed the entire status quo for Daredevil. But the most amazing thing is how Bru and Lark manage to tip the scales even further than they've already been tipped. It's like, you'd think that somehow Bru and Lark would work towards reinstating DD to where he was before Bendis/Maleev... But it's the total opposite. This issue had my jaw dropping like the Elongated Man after finding the burnt corpse of his wife. There is no superhero comic on the stands like Daredevil. It is the best superhero comic on the stands, bar none. It is the one comic where now, the only thing I am certain of is that there is absolutely nothing sacred; anything can happen. I love it.

Dead Girl #2 was great, too. Very amusing and highly entertaining. Somebody please give Milligan a raise so he can go off and do his own thing some more. I also picked up Batman: Year 100 because it's Paul Pope and we all know Paul Pope is quite the man. Haven't read it yet, but the concept is totally Pope and it's his art and writing so I doubt it's going to be less than average.

Rogue328

02-15-2006, 09:57 PM

Missed out this week, gonna catch up over the weekend.

Agree 100% with Zeph on Milligan. Is he exclusive with Marvel now?

Pained Auron

02-15-2006, 10:26 PM

apocalypse vs dracula is a surprisingly good book

Zephyranthes

02-15-2006, 11:18 PM

At the moment, I don't think Milligan is exclusive with anyone. Most of his work over the past year or so has been with Marvel, though. I suspect he's feeling a little bit bitter over the cancellation of Human Target, so he's probably just working to make bank right now so he can pay his rent. That's the only logical explanation why this genius would take the time to write things like two Toxin miniseries. Although I did enjoy that Punisher/Wolverine comic he did last year. By the way, Clinty, I believe the first Toxin miniseries has art by Clayton Crain, the Ghost Rider dude.

RoninChaos

02-16-2006, 04:55 AM

I'm starting to really lose interest in comics. Might be budget reasons, might be genuine disinterest. I'm not sure.

A lot of my problem lies with the fact that comics nowadays are trying too hard to be movies. Some people do it right (Mark Millar) and others do it horribly wrong. Prime example is how Bendis does certain things. And I really enjoy his work, but sometimes I can't help but feel ripped off by how he writes. The latest issue of the new avengers is a prime example. The first 8 pages are nothing but one page splashes and all of that shit could have been done in TWO pages. So instead of getting more dialogue and action, which moves the story forward, I'm left with a book that's essentially 13 pages instead of 22.

He never does this with Ultimate Spider-man, yet he did it in the first arc of his Ultimate X-men story line. He did it in house of M. House of M should have been three issues long with the way he wrote it. I can't remember what issue it was, but he used 8 pages on "waking people up". It's a waste. That's what panels are for. Not fucking full pages. It's fucking annoying. It's like I'm dropping 3 bucks for 5 minutes of entertainment. I really think I'm just going to stop buying his stuff. I'll keep up with Ultimate Spider-man, but that's it. I'm enjoying the work of Mark Millar, Warren Ellis and Geoff Johns much more than I am of Bendis, and Bendis' writing is what got me back into comics.

I'm underwhelmed by Infinite Crisis. It just seems like a ploy to me. Like DC knew they fucked up certain things in the past year and a half while trying to "fix" their universe. Asshole batman is a prime example. Sure the character can be cold and calculating, but it's like he's a shell now, and all that comes out are phrases like "NOT MY PROBLEM!" and "...". Fucking lame, yo.

Teen titans hasn't been interesting. Ultimate X-men hasn't been interesting (but it's finally on the upswing) Ultimate Fantastic Four has been awesome, Batman has been good, Superman has sucked. Captain America has been cool. The entire All-star line has been really disapointing. Green Lantern has been alright.

I read quite a bit every month and for the last 6 months I've really been underwhelmed. I think I may stop collecting overall and just go back to buying trades.

P. Gorath

02-16-2006, 09:49 AM

yes, come over to the dark side ronin...trades or nothing

Rogue328

02-16-2006, 12:39 PM

I'm with you Ronin. I've cut down a lot on the number of books I buy each month, and with each passing month I drop another book or two. I love comics to death, and I will continue to support them, but some of the stuff that gets published, especially from the big two, is severly lacking.

There are several books, no matter how bad they get, I'll buy. And then there are some that once they go down the wrong path, I drop them. It sucks, but if I'm not enjoying the book, I stop buying it.

ViciousSLASH

02-16-2006, 01:51 PM

I read quite a bit every month and for the last 6 months I've really been underwhelmed. I think I may stop collecting overall and just go back to buying trades.

Just read the comics over the internet. Thats what I did for awhile. Fuck spending money on dumb shit.

I don't even buy comics anymore. The only one I actually went to the comic shop to get monthly was Geoff Johns flash, because it was the toppest of top tier shit. Now Flash is gone, and the series is being rebooted. If Johns comes back to write it starting at issue one with a good artist ( Kolins is THE Flash artist, too bad he has an exclusive contract with Marvel ) I will be back on board.

I'd buy Ultimates, but I get that in the mail. I don't think I'm feeling this Joe Mad/ Jeph Loeb thing. Hitch and Millar is the ultimates team, why leave a gold mine?

Invincible and The Walking Dead are probably worth buying monthly, but I just get the trades. ( they are highly recommended, both of them )

Lone Wolf and Cub is badass too. I just read the trades as my friend buys um.

Other then that, I don't really care about anything comic wise anymore.

I'll just have to get off my ass and make my own comic.