Comic book thread - version...???

[akumatrunigga]

Well I have been reading the Black Panther series. I like the collaborations with different black heroes. The recent one now is that he is teaming up with Blade (http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0106/blap012_cov_color_sm.jpg). This is the best I can do picture wise. Wait until when he is starting to look for his wife! could it be storm?

[Adam Warlock]

Is it the wack ass Day-Walker blade?

[P. Gorath]

Read House of M last night, thought it was basically a giant pile of suck. I never hopped on the "decompressed storytelling is so lame" bandwagon but this story really should have been told in a single 80 page countdown issue with a #1 cover price.

The whole concept just seems nutty. did anyone stop and say, hey arent we just doing a really unimaginative, lame version of age of apocalypse.

I would rank any of the countdown to IC tpb's well above House of M, least of all IC itself.

p.s. i love bendis, am not a dc fanboy, etc etc

p.p.s. i picked up the x:men operation zero tolerance tpb...this thing is massive

[ViciousSLASH]

I'm pretty disapointed with the Avengers DVD. The last 20 minutes were awesome though.

The movie was stupid. I am gonna have a review of it on my website tomorrow. What the fuck was marvel thinking ?

[RoninChaos]

http://chud.com/nextraimages/spideyhuge.jpg

Looks cool.

[Zephyranthes]

I think one of the upcoming Marvel events is the wedding between Storm and the Panther. It's supposed to be some big deal because Marvel even hired a novelist to write some of these comics. Even though the Storm/Panther marriage is supposed to be an event, I think it also ties in to The Civil War storyline... Doesn't sound like it's going to be too good. I guess Marvel feels that DC has some good ideas. That must be why they are going all tie-in crazy, to try to make some kind of stand against Crisis.

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I think that for what it was, House of M was pretty good. The alternate reality concept has been done a billion times but at least each time it's done the creators try to think of something different to do in the alternate reality. There aren't really any big crossover-type, big event comics that are that special, but at least House of M was readable and it had excellent art. Which is a lot more than I can say about just about all of the House of M side stories (Hulk, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, etc). But I guess to each his own. By the way, what is the Operation Zero Tolerance book?

[Pained Auron]

i finally lowered my standards on art, and picked up all star superman. i want more. also picked up hulk #92, and i was very pleased with it. can't wait for the next issues of these books. on the bright side, we MIGHT get ultimates 10 next week

[P. Gorath]

zero tolerance was an x-men crossover that happened in 97 or 98 right after the whole onslaught thing. lobdell started it but i think he left in the middle. joe mad did art for half of it...some guy named bastion was the main badguy. 17 or so issues in all

[Rage02fire]

zero tolerance was an x-men crossover that happened in 97 or 98 right after the whole onslaught thing. lobdell started it but i think he left in the middle. joe mad did art for half of it...some guy named bastion was the main badguy. 17 or so issues in all

Ya bastion is a sentinal that is a combination of mastermold and nimrod.

He was a bad ass villian IMO, I loved that crossover alot, I didn't know they made a novel on it at all. I'm gonna look for that shit asap.

[DeathScythe]

Read the new Amazing Spiderman. Good fucking God almighty. That costume makes me cringe every panel I see it in. He can.....glide. I still think hes faster just webswinging. But, yeah, it's all leading up to that whole Civil War nonsense. Meaning Tony will receive the ol' "Fuck you" from Pete and he'll be back in his normal red and blue costume.

Green Lantern #9: Pretty good issue. ESPECIALLY when Batman returned the "favor" to Hal. Now they're even. And the last two pages of that issue were pretty damn creepy and cool at the same time. If anyone read it, you know what I'm talking about.

And Captain America just gets more interesting with every issue. Brubaker is the man. Especially his stuff on Xmen Deadly Genesis. That is definitely one weird story as simple as the delivery is. But it just really proves that Prof. Xavier is a real dick when it comes to sending his students off to deadly missions.

I was looking at some of the stuff in the latest issues of Previews and by all that is holy in the DC Universe, the aftermath of Infinite Crisis just looks like one pile of suck. Theres really nothing interesting in the whole One Year Later issues. '52 Weeks' is the only thing thats gonna come out of DC that will be good this year.

Also, did the Batman annual revealing why Jason Todd came back come out yet? I really want to read that.

[maxx]

wtf batman returns the favor? what did he do finally punch hal the fuck out..batmans seems like he's been wanting to do that since hal died and came back as spectre but like missed the chance since he went god-tier.

[ChairHome]

DC discussion panel... New covers at the bottom... The Flash...?! Who? He looks like a black man. And is this the first or second Flash (previously, DC stated "don't get attached to the first flash that appears...")

http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/DC/DCU/report.htm

[maxx]

holy crap a black flash

[Geese Pants]

I'm still pissed that they offed Bart Allen and Wally West like that.................

[ChairHome]

Hmm, I just remembered the old concept art for the new flash... I still have hope that it will be Bart in the costume... maybe this is the first flash that we're not supposed to get attached to.

[maxx]

I'm still pissed that they offed Bart Allen and Wally West like that.................

you should know by now, because of the speedforce..it makes it so no flash is ever "offed" man...barry makes an appareance like every few years and he's been dead since the 80's.

but finally some color in the flash series.

[Geese Pants]

you should know by now, because of the speedforce..it makes it so no flash is ever "offed" man...barry makes an appareance like every few years and he's been dead since the 80's.

but finally some color in the flash series.

Thing is that they made Wally West such a fixture as the Flash, and Bart as Kid Flash........then DC decided to send them into comic book purgatory all of a sudden.

Now that I think about it...........the link also talked about a new Atom. What happened to the old one? Did he shrink into nothingness after Identity Crisis?

[ChairHome]

Well, the thing about Barry, they kind of cheated... its not him coming back from the speed force, he's visiting from before he died. Before he died in Crisis on Infinite Earths, he was living in the future, and he took "multiple trips into the past". That's why he visited Wally so much, he appeared using the cosmic treadmill to be with Wally on "the three hardest days of his life".

[maxx]

Well, the thing about Barry, they kind of cheated... its not him coming back from the speed force, he's visiting from before he died. Before he died in Crisis on Infinite Earths, he was living in the future, and he took "multiple trips into the past". That's why he visited Wally so much, he appeared using the cosmic treadmill to be with Wally on "the three hardest days of his life".

we used up two of those three so far

1st.was when he lost his identity because of spectre

2.getting jumped by zoom and zoom 2.0

we haven't hit 3 right?

man you guys worry....you know damn well dc wouldn't fuck like that..a black person replace the flash? come on..in a white dominated comic world you honestly believe this? hellz no.

[Zephyranthes]

Wasn't Barry's third appearance in the most recent issue of Crisis? Or does that not count? I'm not sure... The Speed Force and time travel, I try not to think too hard about that stuff.

[ViciousSLASH]

http://www.carinfrog.com/avengersreview.htm

Review for the Avengers movie.

[P. Gorath]

thanks for not spoiling infinite crisis or anything...

[maxx]

thanks for not spoiling infinite crisis or anything...

oh cry about it...it doesn't ruin it.

and with one year later ads coming around..it was bound to come up.

[DeathScythe]

So wait, did the Flash get "offed" for real? I was thinking Bart and Wally ran Superboy into the future because that IS where Superboy is supposed to end up due to the fact that he does join the Legion of Super Heroes in the 30th century. Also, the Tornado Twins(Flash's twin children) are supposed to be in the future.

Thats why I hate the Flash at times. Great hero, but man are his powers some fucked up shit.

And yes Maxx, Batman DID return the favor by punching Hal dead in the face as soon as he laid a hand on Bats' shoulder.

[ChairHome]

So wait, did the Flash get "offed" for real? I was thinking Bart and Wally ran Superboy into the future because that IS where Superboy is supposed to end up due to the fact that he does join the Legion of Super Heroes in the 30th century. Also, the Tornado Twins(Flash's twin children) are supposed to be in the future.


That's the other Superboy who ends up in the future. He's already been there and back...

[maxx]

So wait, did the Flash get "offed" for real? I was thinking Bart and Wally ran Superboy into the future because that IS where Superboy is supposed to end up due to the fact that he does join the Legion of Super Heroes in the 30th century. Also, the Tornado Twins(Flash's twin children) are supposed to be in the future.

Thats why I hate the Flash at times. Great hero, but man are his powers some fucked up shit.

And yes Maxx, Batman DID return the favor by punching Hal dead in the face as soon as he laid a hand on Bats' shoulder.

anyone find it odd the most powerful flashes have twin children?

wally..twins

barry twins

[zeronian]

anyone been picking up Avatar's Lady Death? I'm starting to get into this character for the first time and it's kind of interesting.

[Nemesis00]

Ultimate Thanos
http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/Marvel/Ultimate/THANOS4.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/Marvel/Ultimate/THANOS7.jpg

[maxx]

i want an ultimate series for the marvel cosmic guys.

[Nemesis00]

There's gonna be one. There were alot of pics shown for cosmic characters in the Ulitamate universe. One of them is Ronan.

[maxx]

There's gonna be one. There were alot of pics shown for cosmic characters in the Ulitamate universe. One of them is Ronan.

ya i just saw the newsarama article.

[Carpet Lint]

...why did you put quotation marks around my name? You don't like it or something? What's wrong with it? I like it. I like YOUR name.

I've been avoiding this thread for spoilers because I couldn't get to the store this week to pick up Astonishing X-Men #13 until now.

Not that I don't trust you to keep a lid on spoilers...but I just don't trust you to keep a lid on spoilers.

Ultimate Thanos
http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/Marvel/Ultimate/THANOS4.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/Marvel/Ultimate/THANOS7.jpg
Fucking EVERYONE has to have piercings. That's how to stay hip and in tune with the present generation of comic book readers, because they all have piercings? So half-assed.

"We need to design a cool new Ultimate version of this character."
"..."
"..."
"Give 'em some ear piercings."
"DONE! Let's go for lunch."

I don't think there is a single Ultimatized character design I like better than the non-Ultimatized one.

'cept for Ultimate Cap, I guess. Made him more soldiery, gave him that old war custome - neat ideas. And maybe Ultimate Hawkeye. He was pretty pimp. But Marvel always kills my favourites.

Oh and maybe Ultimate Galactus and the Surfer (the wings are wack, but the suit was cool). Though that isn't finished, so there's still plenty of time to screw that up. The whole idea of making him a billion mile long universal force of destruction is neat though.

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THE SPIDER-POOL

1 - Tantinny
10 - VSY
30 - Shengy
35 - abacabby
42 - Shinny
43 - Zephy
45 - Nemy
47 - Rony
49 - Warlocky
50 - Dammy
52 - Welly
53 - archy
67 - THE LINTSTER

THE SPIDER-COUNT

1) Amazing Spider-Man #530

So Tantinny has won. CONTEST OVER.

Am I missing anyone or any issues? Help me out on this, since I'm not going to be reading every Spider-Man comic that's printed.

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I've just caught up on Ex Machina...and that book is GOOD. Brian K. Vaughan kicks my ass. (No comment on his Ultimate X-Men.)

Dude who can speak to machines retires from super heroing to become Mayor of New York. Ch-ch-ch-check it out, wh-wh-what's it all about.

[Carpet Lint]

http://www.carinfrog.com/avengersreview.htm

Review for the Avengers movie.
I started looking around, and I liked your King Kong one better.

You mentioned it, but you know that one scene where the guy gets his head sucked by a giant leech worm? That scene is completely UNDERRATED. Gets barely any mention at all, which is why the fact that you even mentioned it - even just a sentence - is awesome.

Everyone who watched that movie will think back on their six hour visit inside that theatre, and the only thing that sticks in their mind will be that giant leech scene.

That was a fucking awesome scene.

And in closing, I like reading comic books.

[Tantin]

I do what I can.

[Wellman]

I got to wonder is that Flash really black or if it is a mistake with colorist. I mean I just glanced at the latest issue of Hyperion and the idea of a black Flash doesn't sit right, its like they are (heaven I don't mean to sound like a fan boy) jocking.






***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***


Not to mention DC said the first Flash you see in the comic won't be the same Flash at the end of the book, meaning there will be only one Flash (no idea where this puts Kid Flash/Impulse). But I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out like Robin IV aka a temporary attention getting change before the killing starts.

***End of POSSIBLE SPOILERS***

[maxx]

I got to wonder is that Flash really black or if it is a mistake with colorist. I mean I just glanced at the latest issue of Hyperion and the idea of a black Flash doesn't sit right, its like they are (heaven I don't mean to sound like a fan boy) jocking.






***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***


Not to mention DC said the first Flash you see in the comic won't be the same Flash at the end of the book, meaning there will be only one Flash (no idea where this puts Kid Flash/Impulse). But I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out like Robin IV aka a temporary attention getting change before the killing starts.

***End of POSSIBLE SPOILERS***

lol finding any excuse for him not to be black lol. no its not a coloring mistake. haha.

[P. Gorath]

finished daredevil vs. punisher, it was quite badass. the last issue alone was worth more than the price of admission. It was weird reading a non-ennis punisher story after this long but lapham is the man. i just wish his ass would crank out the stray bullets tpb's a bit faster.

[ChairHome]

lol finding any excuse for him not to be black lol. no its not a coloring mistake. haha.

Haha. Someone should make an avatar using the cover with a caption "Nigga stole my Flash suit!"

Make it now.

/end racism.

[Rage02fire]

finished daredevil vs. punisher, it was quite badass. the last issue alone was worth more than the price of admission. It was weird reading a non-ennis punisher story after this long but lapham is the man. i just wish his ass would crank out the stray bullets tpb's a bit faster.

lol good shit ain't it?

You should check out Bullseye's greatest if you haven't yet then the sequal to that Punisher vs bullseye very good stuff. I recomend getting those in TPBs when they come out.

Now on ultimate thanos WTF, so ghey man I had hope for him of getting really remade into a bad ass as well.

Ronin looks dope the rest of the people on that issue I never heard of in 616 universe, I guess some of them may be only in the ultimate universe.

[Zephyranthes]

I also thought the Lapham DD/Punny comic was pretty good. The story was all right, but the art really made it memorable. I mean, other than the silly looking white gloves and white boots on Punisher. It's hard to take him seriously when he's got so much white on his limbs. But I guess Lapham probably just wanted to draw the old-school Punisher he grew up with, so I'm not gonna begrudge a man his dream. However, there's this one drawing of Daredevil, the very last page of issue 5, that is probably one of the greatest Daredevil drawings... OF ALL TIME. I speak boldly, I know. Now I imagine everyone else rushing to pick up a copy of DD/Punisher so they can see what I'm talking about... or something.

I wonder if DC will collect his 12 issue Detective Comics run... I started reading that as it came out, but I got bored of it after the fourth or fifth issue- it just didn't seem good at all to me. If it comes out as a trade I might try reading it again. Maybe.

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That Ultimate Thanos design looks pretty good. Hopefully they won't give him a blue and orange costume. Keep the purple skin, though.

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I don't know if that preview Flash cover actually shows a black Flash. If no one had brought up the race issue, I would have just assumed that the lighting just shades his face a bit darker. But what the hell do I know, I'm just an Asian who's pining for my own Asian super hero, complete with slinty eyes... Speaking of which, Marvel needs to put The Deadly Hands Of Shang-Chi, Master Of Kung Fu in the Fantastic Four. It'd make that book sell like hotcakes again. Kinda like how the Warriors would get season-long sellouts if we picked up Yao and signed Wang ZhiZhi and Ming Bateer and Ha Seung-Jin.

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Brian K. Vaughan kicks my ass. (No comment on his Ultimate X-Men.)


Finally, you got onboard the BKV Train. I will assume your "no comment" means that you're too lazy to explain that his run on X-Men was even better than the overhyped (but still excellent) Joss Whedon run(s).

[maxx]

I also thought the Lapham DD/Punny comic was pretty good. The story was all right, but the art really made it memorable. I mean, other than the silly looking white gloves and white boots on Punisher. It's hard to take him seriously when he's got so much white on his limbs. But I guess Lapham probably just wanted to draw the old-school Punisher he grew up with, so I'm not gonna begrudge a man his dream. However, there's this one drawing of Daredevil, the very last page of issue 5, that is probably one of the greatest Daredevil drawings... OF ALL TIME. I speak boldly, I know. Now I imagine everyone else rushing to pick up a copy of DD/Punisher so they can see what I'm talking about... or something.

I wonder if DC will collect his 12 issue Detective Comics run... I started reading that as it came out, but I got bored of it after the fourth or fifth issue- it just didn't seem good at all to me. If it comes out as a trade I might try reading it again. Maybe.

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That Ultimate Thanos design looks pretty good. Hopefully they won't give him a blue and orange costume. Keep the purple skin, though.

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I don't know if that preview Flash cover actually shows a black Flash. If no one had brought up the race issue, I would have just assumed that the lighting just shades his face a bit darker. But what the hell do I know, I'm just an Asian who's pining for my own Asian super hero, complete with slinty eyes... Speaking of which, Marvel needs to put The Deadly Hands Of Shang-Chi, Master Of Kung Fu in the Fantastic Four. It'd make that book sell like hotcakes again. Kinda like how the Warriors would get season-long sellouts if we picked up Yao and signed Wang ZhiZhi and Ming Bateer and Ha Seung-Jin.

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Finally, you got onboard the BKV Train. I will assume your "no comment" means that you're too lazy to explain that his run on X-Men was even better than the overhyped (but still excellent) Joss Whedon run(s).

do they not have black people where you live? that guy is obviously black...i'm sorry i don 't know what shading makes your lips look bigger.

[Zephyranthes]

So if big lips make you black, then are you sayin' Lex Luthor on the Superman and Justice League cartoons is black? Because he's got some pretty big lips. And he's got a shaved head.

Look, the picture of the Flash ain't that big. If you look really closely, it could even be that this "big lips" thing is actually his mouth slightly open in a snarl of some sort. The shading on his mouth could make it look like he has shiny "black lips" when it's just his teeth. I can't really tell, but I'm not gonna argue the point any further.

[Carpet Lint]

Finally, you got onboard the BKV Train. I will assume your "no comment" means that you're too lazy to explain that his run on X-Men was even better than the overhyped (but still excellent) Joss Whedon run(s).
Well I've been on Y The Last Man wagon pretty early on, but you could write that up to a Vertigo thing than a BKV thing.

I can't remember any other BVK stuff off the top of my head that I've read, aside from Y The Last Man, his Ultimate X-Men stuff, and now Ex Machina.

Astonishing might be overrated a bit, but it was still awesome. Ultimate X-Men has never garnered the "awesome" qualifier from me, ever.

Where did he start? Issue 50?

Cry Wolf - with the Fenrir siblings or whatever...meh. The Ice Man/Rogue/Kitty Pryde thing, along with the Wolvie/Storm relationships seem forced, like almost everything in the Ultimate Universe.

Gambit was good, but he brought absolutely nothing new that we haven't seen before. Maybe if they were onboard the first time he appeared they could have given him a cooler Ultimate design...but this is just Gambit with curly hair.

This is why I'm finding a lot of Ultimate stories to be really silly, and I'm starting to doubt if this Ultimate thing is going to really last that much longer - the whole point of it is to restart characters, and to create new first apperances and new first impressions. Which is cool, because you only get one of those, and they only have one chance to redo characters.

So what they did was they blew through all the stories and introduced random new Ultimate versions of characters in throwaway cameos and whatnot, and now if they want to write a cool Ultimate mini for whatever character, they have to remember that they already did a half-assed Ultimate design the first time around, in their insane rush at the beginning to Ultimatize everything.

Was that random Chuck Austen Ultimate Gambit story back in #13-14ish really necessary? Because he appeared in three issues, and then disappeared, and now he's back in issue #50. And if BVK or Kubert or whatever wanted to put their own cool version of Gambit out, they couldn't. Because Chuck Austen's creative team from back in issue #14 did it already.

Same with Ultimate Punisher, who was a throwaway gimmick loser that Ultimate Spider-Man bumped into and beat up within a single page back in a random early issue.

...uh...sorry. Wild, uncontrolled tangent there. Where was I?

That Mojo story was alright but completely forgettable, and I thought Magnetic North was actually one of the better Ultimate X-Men stories, and that standalone issue with Professor X in the bank hold-up with Steve Dillion was probably the best Ultimate issue I've read.

But COME ON.

How does that compare to...

"You feelin' strong, Pete?"
"Ya."
"Then I just got two words for ya."
BAM BAM BAM JOHN CASSADAY TWO PAGE SPLASH AWESOOOOOOOOOME!!!

You could argue that one scene, and that they brought back my favourite X-Men character of all time completely wrecked my fanboy brain and caused me to have an irrational bias in loving that run...but you would be 100% correct, and we would gain nothing from that conversation. So let us not argue about that.

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Yeah, regarding the Flash thing...

If you guys didn't already say that he was black, I don't really know if I would have noticed initially. I thought he looked like...red. Like it was a full body shadow because they wanted him to be a very ambigous looking Flash. I couldn't really tell.

The thought of "Flash is a negro!" didn't immediately jump out at me. But now that you're saying he IS black...then yeah, I can see it now. I think.

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I don't remember how we skipped it the first time around when maxx and others were trying to compile a list of all the black superheroes in comics...but how are my Asian brothers and sisters represented in comics?

Psylocke - What's her deal now? My second favourite, from back when Jim Lee slutted her up, but that's still not enough for me to read a Claremont book.

Jubilee - ...she's Asian right? I think she lost her powers in House of M, though I don't think she's been in any books for a long while now.

Shang Chi - I don't know where the idea to put him in the Fantastic Four came from, but that would be AWESOME. Currently in comic book limbo.

Batgirl - Her monthly just ended, and we probably won't see her until the Crisis is way over. Or maybe ever again.

Lady Shiva - Shiva Wu-San - that's Chinese, right? In the last issue of Batgirl.

Katana - I think the last time I saw her was in that early issue of Superman/Batman when the government formed a Captain Atom led group to take them down.

Ultimate Wasp - She's Asian, right?

Silver Samurai - Recent apperance in New Avengers = he's in the big leagues now!

Sunfire - ...Giant Sized X-Men #1?

Xorn - ...was really Magneto...? I don't know whatever happened to this one. That story was bullshit.

...I think that's all we got.

So to review, out of ten...
- Six are in comic book limbo.
- The only one with her only monthly got it cancelled
- One is exclusively in a Chris Claremont book, which is worse.
- Silver Samurai, who got some recently playing time in a big book - good for him.
- Ultimate Wasp who gets abused by her nerdy scientist ex-husband and is a dirty mutie who no one loves.

HURRAY FOR US ASIANS!!!

(Mengke Bateer was in Toronto - probably the biggest Chinese market in the NBA - and it didn't do nothin'. He was Hoffa before there was a Hoffa. I remember he had an autograph session in Pacific Mall before the season started. But Yao in Toronto...goddamn, sellout every night. There are a lot of Asians down in SF, but I'm guessing there's more up here though.)

[Nemesis00]

Yo Carpet, I'll be picking up every Spidey issue and all the Civil War tie ins, so I'll help you out on the Mecha Spider suit count.

"Silver Samurai - Recent apperance in New Avengers = he's in the big leagues now!"

Nigga got his hand cut off by Wolverine a few months ago.

Jubilee is in fact depowered as well.

I think Psylocke is either moving to a different Claremont X book or going into limbo.

Sunfire is a horseman of Apocalypse now.

[maxx]

aren't their more asians than black people?

haha jubilee depowered..watch her fade into marvel nothingness.

shang chi the ultimate version is pretty sick. i think i mentioned this a few months back but i'd like to see a shang chi/iron fist ultimate comic.

[Carpet Lint]

Yo Carpet, I'll be picking up every Spidey issue and all the Civil War tie ins, so I'll help you out on the Mecha Spider suit count.
Awesome. I pick up Amazing every month, and I might check out Civil War, but he's in so many books that I'm going to be missing some.

Nigga got his hand cut off by Wolverine a few months ago.
OH WHAT THE FUCK MAN

Our brightest prospect suffers a career threatening injury right after he breaks camp? That's messed up. Now all we got is Ultimate Wasp.

Don't worry, he'll come back in a couple of months with a Honda built robotic arm, that runs on hydrogen or whatever, and is loaded with like a SONY stereo system or something. Shit'll be pimp.

[Rage02fire]

asian comic snip


Alright not bad at all carpent lint but some of the asian heroes you have all wrong.

Like sang chi he isn't in comic book limbo he was recently in the black panther, I think issue 11.

Now Sunfire has been apearing alot recently in x-men, he was in a rouge arc last year which showed him getting his legs cutted off by lady death strike. Oh and Death strike is asian too.

If you ready the blood of apocalypse arc in X-men, you'll see what his faith shall be.

Your right on ultimate wasp being asian.

Also you forgot to mention Karma of NewMutants/xmen and collective man they're both asian as well.

I think those are the only asian people you forgot to mention and Oh wait I forgot about shinobi shaw, sebastion shaw's son. I think that's it though good listings man.:tup:

[Sano]

Psylocke's return from the grave has not been explained. She has super strength now (don't know how strong), her TK has been upgraded (stronger psi blade/sword) but she can no longer read minds.

Sunfire is gonna become a Horseman of Apocalypse if this hasn't happened already, I'm about a week late.

Sorry if I'm repeating stuff, glancing at this thread quickly and have to run...

[Rage02fire]

Psylocke's return from the grave has not been explained. She has super strength now (don't know how strong), her TK has been upgraded (stronger psi blade/sword) but she can no longer read minds.

Sunfire is gonna become a Horseman of Apocalypse if this hasn't happened already, I'm about a week late.

Sorry if I'm repeating stuff, glancing at this thread quickly and have to run...

Yep sano is right I wasn't tryin to spoil it for carpet though lol, I just wanna say that psylocke hasn't been able to read minds ever since around 97 after she took on the shadow king.

Yo though is anyone digging Ultimate morbius I think he looks cool so far.

[Nemesis00]

Yeah, her power upgrade is to be done by Claremont in an upcoming arc, along with the details of her ressurection.

Sunfire is already a horseman. Famine, IIRC.

Ultimate Morbius looks sick. I can't wait for that arc.

[P. Gorath]

that was my big problem with ultimate marvel team-up was that it should have been re-named ultimate marvel origins as each story was just the origin retold over again of whichever hero was paired with spidey. And none of those even matter because they were forgotten when the character then 'officialy' debuted much later on

[Nemesis00]

They weren't forgotten at all. Most of them have been reference in stories already, except for teh Fantastic Four issue, which isn't canon.

[Zephyranthes]

Good job on keeping track of the Spider-Pool, gents. I guess we do need some sort of a weekly tally. If Marvel does a Handbook To The Civil War with a profile page on the new costume, does that count as an appearance?
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There are a couple other cool Asians in comics... Clinty, for shame... For all the Vertigo/BKV love that you supposedly have, how could you forget Dr. Alison Mann?!!!!?! She, for one, hasn't had her hand chopped off, nor is she written exclusively by Claremont.

And Usagi Yojimbo. So what if he's a rabbit, his name is Miyamoto Usagi, so we can claim him.

There's the Hand Ninjas. I think a lot of those guys are Asian. They also die really fast. And they're always bad guys.

Speaking of the Hand... Can't forget about the Foot Clan. And Oroku Saki, the SHREDDER. TMNT started out as an indie comic.

Deadly little Miho from Sin City.

And Kabuki. A lot of characters in Kabuki are Asian.

The Swift, of The Authority.

Girl One from Alan Moore's Top Ten.


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If Marvel ever does another Shang-Chi comic, they gotta make sure his full title is The Deadly Hands Of Shang-Chi, Master Of Kung-Fu. Not only would that be the title of his comic, but that would be his code name in the stories, too. So the Fantastic Four would be Mr. Fantastic; Invisible Woman; Human Torch; and the Ever-Lovin' Slinty-Eyed Deadly Hands Of Shang-Chi, Master Of Kung-Fu. I can just imagine the first meeting between the New Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom.

Doom: Either I win, or you lose. Choose quickly.

The Deadly Hands of Shang-Chi, Master of Kung-Fu: It's clobbering time!! So says The Deadly Hands of Shang-Chi, Master of Kung-Fu!!!!

Johnny: Whoa. He knows kung-fu.

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I was gonna comment on BKV's X-Men vs. Whedon's, 'cause Clinty helped me remember how awesome Astonishing was. But then I think I just concluded that, if I had to choose, I'd take BKV's over Whedon's X-Men if only because BKV had a lot more issues to tell his stories. On a related note, Astonishing #13 was pretty nice.

[P. Gorath]

more asians: brian li sung from Grendel, Rai and all of his incarnations, Doctor Mirage, Toyo Harada

[Carpet Lint]

Sebastion Shaw's son is Asian? ...how does that even work?

And is Viper Japanese?

Good job on keeping track of the Spider-Pool, gents. I guess we do need some sort of a weekly tally. If Marvel does a Handbook To The Civil War with a profile page on the new costume, does that count as an appearance?
I don't know if Handbooks count as comic books. Otherwise we'd have to start counting posters and whatnot too.

What's that? There's comics that aren't made by Marvel or DC? Lies!

I also forgot DupliKate from Invincible (who is also a slut, yessssss).

And if Usagi Yojimbo's considered Asian then that means we can claim Splinter as well, right?

Oh man, Hand ninjas, forgot about them. Those guys are wicked cool. Stick's not Asian, but Stone is, right? I think I remember seeing him with squinty eyes once.

There was also that comic Gun-Fu I picked up once. I didn't like it all that much though.

If Marvel ever does another Shang-Chi comic, they gotta make sure his full title is The Deadly Hands Of Shang-Chi, Master Of Kung-Fu
Is that combining two separate awesome titles into one, singular, most awesome title? Has this been done before? Is that allowed?

Man, I want to see The Deadly Hands of Shang-Chi, Master of Kung-Fu kick the shit out of the Hulk. That would be bananas.

To be honest though, I don't feel so bad that 90% of all Asians in comic books are third tier characters.

'cause no one else has got Chun-Li, baby. And she's MONEY.

And I'm not sure, but I am 100% sure that Batman is Chinese as well. I think I read it once in an old Denny O'Neil comic in the 70's. So we got that working for us as well.

[Rage02fire]

Sebastion Shaw's son is Asian? ...how does that even work?

And is Viper Japanese?

Not really sure on that, either he was adopted by shaw or he did some asian broad before the hellfire days, cause shinobi is as old as angel is IIRC. Shinobi did think that harry lealand was his biological father at one point, but I think that was just a theory.

Also I belive viper is half asian or so, I don't know this for sure.

Ya the hand is dope and will be even better since elektra runs it.

Here's some info on the new white tiger damn her outfit is nice, can't wait for her mini to come.


http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=61034

[Sheng-Long]

-Grail from Wetworks is Filipino
-Fuji from Stormwatch is Japanese
-Stone from Image Comics
-There was a Japanese (and female!) Dr. Light in Crisis on Infinite Earths #4.
-Big Hero 6 = Japanese Marvel team
-Kato from Green Hornet (Dell or Goldkey published the old Green Hornet comics IIRC) as played by Bruce Lee on the TV series
- Puck #2 in Alpha Flight was a female Asian.
- Grunge from Gen 13

That's all I can think of for now but there are a lot, although they aren't really well known (if known at all!)

[Kyoujin]

Years ago, when I was in grade 8, a good friend of mine told about this comic called "The Watchmen". I never really paid much attention to it because this was during my none book-reading phase. Fast-forward eight years later; I'm in the university book-store and I come across "The Watchmen" by Alan Moore; I bought it and read it cover to cover in one evening. I was absoluetly amazed at how Moore revolutionized "The Super-Hero". Can anyone reccomend me anything similar? I would prefer somthing in graphic-novel for, if possible.
Thanks.

[Sheng-Long]

Nothing is like Watchmen but when it comes to essential reading here are the other top two rules:

1.) Anything published under VERTIGO is great (99.8% at least)
2.) Dark Knight Returns

[maxx]

that was my big problem with ultimate marvel team-up was that it should have been re-named ultimate marvel origins as each story was just the origin retold over again of whichever hero was paired with spidey. And none of those even matter because they were forgotten when the character then 'officialy' debuted much later on

i don't think shang chi origin was explained. like why he's so powerful..they did some old japanese fairy tale in the beginning and explained he got kicked out for being too much of a badass. didn't really explain where his skills came from...i forget if their a super power or he's just a really badass human.

[Wellman]

Carpet Lint: I hear Green Arrow's kid, the second one has some asian in him as well.

Maxx: I personally wouldn't mind a black speedster but seriously can't really believe that it will happen, especially still in the same old Flash suit, for a long period of time.

[ViciousSLASH]

Maxx: I personally wouldn't mind a black speedster but seriously can't really believe that it will happen, especially still in the same old Flash suit, for a long period of time.

Been done, the new whizzer is black.

As long as Geoff Johns is back writing the FLash again, I don't care if the flash is green.

[Zephyranthes]

Carpet Lint: I hear Green Arrow's kid, the second one has some asian in him as well.


Oh yeah, speaking of Green Arrow, didn't Arsenal once get it on with Chesire? She's Asian, isn't she?

And I think The Deadly Hands Of Shang-Chi, Master Of Kung-Fu is basically just a super-skilled normal human being. I think his deal was that he was raised to be some badass fighter or something, which is why he's so tough.

Shengy- Good call on Kato and those old Image/WildStorm characters. Fuji was a good one... Even Alan Moore and Warren Ellis used him. And waitasec... Grunge is Asian? He never looked like it to me, but I guess I never cared about Gen13.

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Kyoujin- Glad to see you read Watchmen. For more top quality graphic novels, Alan Moore, the author of Watchmen, is a good place to start. V For Vendetta is just as good as Watchmen, if not arguably better. Plus, with the movie coming out soon, now's a good time to read it. Moore also wrote From Hell, a historical piece about Jack The Ripper. I know that was also made into a movie, but I never watched it. I assume the movie is bad. But the book? Excellent.

Maus by Art Spiegelman is also essential. The fact that a comic book won the Pulitzer is pretty impressive. Another important biographical-type comic is Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi.

Like Shengy said, pretty much anything published by Vertigo is worth seeking out. Some examples of series to look out for are Sandman (written by Neil Gaiman), Y: The Last Man (written by Brian K. Vaughan) and Preacher (written by Garth Ennis). Keep in mind that many of these Vertigo series have multiple volumes so if you have the time and resources, it pays to start reading from the beginning.

Batman: The Dark Knight Returns is the other big book from the same era as Watchmen, and it, too, revolutionized the notion of the super hero. It also happens to be a crucial pop culture gem of a Batman story.

Coming into the comics thread and asking for suggestions is like opening a Pandora's Box. Pretty soon everyone will chime in and you'll be broke trying to read everything we recommend. But if you want to stay focused, then allow me to say just one more thing:

FAAAAAAAABLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

'Kay, I'll let Clinty take it from here.

[Pained Auron]

arsenal has a daughter with chesire

[Sano]

Sunfire is already a horseman. Famine, IIRC.



Yeah, got to read it today. He looks EXACTLY like Sunfire from the Age of Apocalypse storyline, very cool actually IMHO.

[The Bucket Of Truth]

enough of of this whos asian discussion and back to more comic nerdyness

where is rugal 3:16 when you need him?

[ChairHome]

Maxx: If you're going to use my idea, at least make it noticeable that he could be black:

Something like this... but better.

[maxx]

Maxx: If you're going to use my idea, at least make it noticeable that he could be black:

Something like this... but better.

it was in the works..the one i'm rocking was a test version..i was just too lazy to fix it. but thanks man

wellman: well see its not like wally hasn't been temporarily replaced before. a while back wally was time tripping around and john fox...flash from the future took over for a while in our time. while wally tried to find a way home, as the speedforce kept skipping him around time. dude it was like quantum leap, he had to fix shit to get home lol.

[ChairHome]

No prob... sorry that its still kinda wack, haha.

[Rogue328]

Years ago, when I was in grade 8, a good friend of mine told about this comic called "The Watchmen". I never really paid much attention to it because this was during my none book-reading phase. Fast-forward eight years later; I'm in the university book-store and I come across "The Watchmen" by Alan Moore; I bought it and read it cover to cover in one evening. I was absoluetly amazed at how Moore revolutionized "The Super-Hero". Can anyone reccomend me anything similar? I would prefer somthing in graphic-novel for, if possible.
Thanks.


For another comic that's reinventing the super hero genre, I'd highly recommend Invincible by Robert Kirkman. The trades have come out pretty steadily, so you can get caught up very quickly. It's not a dark story like Watchmen was; it's very light hearted, with nice dashes of comedy and drama thrown into the mix.

Invincible is about a young man, Mark, whose father is the world's greatest hero. Mark inherits his fathers powers, and the series goes from there. Definitely worth a look.

[maxx]

For another comic that's reinventing the super hero genre, I'd highly recommend Invincible by Robert Kirkman. The trades have come out pretty steadily, so you can get caught up very quickly. It's not a dark story like Watchmen was; it's very light hearted, with nice dashes of comedy and drama thrown into the mix.

Invincible is about a young man, Mark, whose father is the world's greatest hero. Mark inherits his fathers powers, and the series goes from there. Definitely worth a look.

you gotta add its a semi spoof of comics and tights itself. it is a very good read its the only american comic i've been consistantly reading for a while now.

also y:the last man is a good one.

basically its about this kid and his monkey..dont all great stories start out like this. well something happened where all the men were dieing except the kid and his monkey and its about how they deal being the only men on earth as well as how his family deals. its really cool. i don't wanna add anymore cause it can easily spoil the story.

[Wellman]

Been done, the new whizzer is black.

As long as Geoff Johns is back writing the FLash again, I don't care if the flash is green.

Yeah I read Supreme Power, on another note anyone else shocked as hell about what happened in the latest issue of Hyperion mini. I mean honestly not much action occured but the little twist on what Hyperion did to the Whizzer REALLY surprised me.

But the Whizzer (or Blur or whatever) doesn't where the red ass suit, that defines the Flash. Seriously it is like having Martian Manhunter have hair and a mustache or a Candy cane colored Silver Surfer. It doesn't compute to be something that will last long or is even necessary. Although with go explanation and maybe an actual tweak to the costume, I may change my tune.

Also the new Flash writer ain't Johns he just some dude that worked on the old Flash TV show.

[box]

Civil war #2 cover:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/cover_2.htm

Guesses as to what will happen based on the cover:

Spidey will be torn between Ironman and Cap A. Ironman has helped out spidey and spidey gave his word to back up Tony no matter what happens. However he believes in what Cap A's fighting for. It's a matter of fighting for what he believes in, vs not breaking his word/promise to his someone who helped him so much in the past few months. I'm sure he will join Cap A as that will lead to him donning his regular costume again.

[P. Gorath]

on a semi-related note, how did they retcon the whole going back in time to grab young tony stark to defeat crazy-iron man storyline?

[box]

on a semi-related note, how did they retcon the whole going back in time to grab young tony stark to defeat crazy-iron man storyline?

I think in the Onslaught/Heroes Reborn/Heroes Return shenanigan. Teenager Tony sacrified himself in the Onslaught ordeal. He was reborn in the Franklin Richards created universe as an adult. And he came back into the regular universe as an adult.

[FreddyL0c0]

Ultimates2 no10 comes out tomorow....bout fuckin time too

[Yasashiyama]

Ultimates2 no10 comes out tomorow....bout fuckin time too
Urgh...Don't remind me. It just makes me think of the people who are going to take it over in the next run...:wasted:

[FistsofFury]

What is Civil War going to be about again?

[Adam Warlock]

What is Civil War going to be about again?

Basically secret identities. IIRC, superheroes will be required to register and disclose their identities and 2 factions form and end up opposing each other.

[maxx]

Basically secret identities. IIRC, superheroes will be required to register and disclose their identities and 2 factions form and end up opposing each other.

wtf? marvels ripping themselves off again..didn't we do this with the mutant registration act?

[Sano]

Back from the NY comic con. If you want to read up on other's people's stories at the con, Studio Udon's involvement, sketches from Studio Udon, pictures and so forth, read this thread in it's entirety and keep an eye on it in the days to come -

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109334

As for the more mainstream comic book related stuff at the con -

Well... since we were talking about Robotech the Shadow Chronicles not so long ago(okay that's not mainstream comic book stuff bear with me lol) at the show I saw a bunch of trailers for it and stuff. The Harnomy Gold rep discussed the history of Robotech and the difficulties in making this new movie. They said at first they were trying to find a company to fund it, the first one they found asked them to add a cute character for the kiddies and asked them if they had any. Harmony Gold said they had Anne... and they thought Dana Sterling was kind of cute, but no, the other company wanted them to add someone like Pikachu! So of course they said HELL NO! In the end, they had to put up the money for it themselves. There was a bunch of legal stuff going on with different toy companies sueing each other for the rights to Macross merchandise, but Harmony Gold finally broke away from that since Robotech is different than Macross. Right now the movie is done and the hold up is they are trying to find the right venue for for distribution, so much so that they couldn't even give us a release date for the movie. They answered a lot of our questions and gave us copies of cels from the older Robotech episodes, it looks great, can't wait to see it! Oh yeah, Mark Hamill is doing a voice in it too!

Sticking to the Robotech theme, Mari Iijima who voiced Minmei in Macross (and is voicing Minmei in the new Macross Dub) performed at a club the Knitting Factory that took place Saturday after the con, convention goers got a reduced ticket. She performed a song from Macross, songs off her album, songs in English, songs in Japanese, it was great! On stage she said that she's been living in LA for 16 years and that American men and Japanese men are very different, that it is not uncommon for an American to come up to her and say "I want to fuck you, not date you" and she's not like that, someone in the crowd yelled "WELCOME TO AMERICA!" That was hilarious! Got to speak with her for a bit after she performed, really nice person!

I saw the Ultimate Avengers movie at the con. Thought it was pretty good, not JLU good but pretty good. Hulk was the man in that flick though!

They also screened a movie from Dark Horse called "Monarch From the Moon." It's about a hero named Yellow Jacket fighting against the Japanese in World War II. This movie is ultra low budget and is hilarious with it's purposely cornball special effects and ridiculous plot. It's coming to theaters in a few weeks in a very limited run, I am so going to see this again, everyone in the theater was laughing their Asses off!

Moving on to Marvel I attended a panel with Joe Quesada and Bendis discussing Civil War. They were all pretty funny and joked around a lot. Joe wanted to thank the fans for their high appraisal of Spidey's new costume and thanked them for all their kind E-Mails and letters, lol! Obviously everyone hates it ha ha! He said that within the next few issues the reasons behing the new outfit will be revealed and hopefully the fans will get into it and realize what a genious he is for designing it lol!

The idea of Civil War began because a slew of Marvel writers including Bendis, Quesada, Stracynski, etc. attended a summit to discuss their next big story idea. They threw out tons of storyline ideas that no one could agree on. Until someone said that the most fun he had as a kid was when he made his Spider-Man toy fight with his Hulk toy. And this is how Civil War came about as they began to brainstorm.

As stated before, Civil War's plot is after the Mutant Registration Act is in full effect after the events of House of M, the Government wishes to extend it to other Super Heroes, like a Metahuman Registration act. This will cause a rift in the Super Heroe community, some will side with the Government and others will side against it. It's basically the platform they are setting up so Hulk and Spider-Man can fight. It's going to be Super Heroes vs. Super Heroes. You'll see both sides of the argument to an extent that not only the Heroes will be torn but the fans will be torn as well(much like the writers where). And of course, with Heroes fighting each other, who's protecting the civilians? Villains are gonna run amuck...

They showed slides of upcoming covers from Civil War's storyline, and made sure to stick in a picture of Abraham Lincoln for laughs! One of the covers is of Doom's hand holding Thor's hammer....

They did confirm that Hawkeye is coming back to life soon.

People at this event were very happy with Alpha Flight's death giving it a big applause.

On the other side of the tracks, during a Jim Lee and Neal Adams panel, a fan complained that New Avengers is written in a way that does not challenge the artist. For example, he felt that it should of been written like Superboy beasting on the Teen Titans in Identity Crisis, not them dying in 2 pages. Neal Adams said that his son came in one day and showed him the comic of Alpha Flight being killed and said "Daddy! Daddy! Alpha Flight is dead!" To which he responded "No son, I'm sure they are not dead." And he said, "No daddy! Alpha Flight is DEAD! What is Bendis doing! He is messing everything up!" And Neal just laughed at his kid. Him and Jim Lee just talked about how things are changing, in the 90s artwork seemed to dominate stories, and right now it seems like writing is dominating the stories, in time it may swing the other way. And really, how many ways can you show Alpha Flight being killed that hasn't been done before, and Neal doesn't believe they are dead... not that it matters, death means nothing in comics anyway...

Well, other than talking about how when Jim Lee was teaching himself to draw he drew so much, so much so that his knuckles got sore and he had to soak them in warm water, there's not much else for me to say about the show, great con overall.

[regulate]

whoa whoa whoah......................doom WITH mjollnir assist? WTF!

[Zephyranthes]

Cool post, sano. I was watching the Shadow Chronicles trailer again just last night and I was wondering when the movie is coming. And what's this about a new Macross dub and when is it supposed to start coming out? Man, I still have my VHS of the Do You Remember Love? movie from back in the day and that dub is so freakin' awful it's hilarious. Also, do you know if Macross Zero is going to be translated for a North American release?

Alpha Flight did have an ignoble end... They got beaten up off panel. But that was a pretty cool two page spread showing their bodies.

[Pained Auron]

ultimates #10 tomorrow. 3pm weds needs to hurry the fuck up

[maxx]

can someone tell me i'm not crazy on this..it takes a bit of reading. ok basically me and some guy are getting into a friggen nerd fight. i never thought i'd be in one. but its over bart and timetravel. apparently barts mom got restarted, and he believes because of this bart should not exist. i explained sinc ebart if out of his own timeline he is a paradox and so he is uneffected by the change.

i went into crazy detail on this

5th post from the bottom it goes for 3 pages..tell me what i said makes sense
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58283&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

[Nemesis00]

There's a preview out there for Ultimates #10. Two pages, but it tells us who the villains are. I won't say anything, because it's pretty fucking random, but I'll post a link to the preview for those who want to be spoiled now.

http://popcultureshock.com/pcs/gallery.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=16625

Sometime after work tommorow I'll post my horrific NYCC story along with the cosplay pics.

[Carpet Lint]

Alpha Flight did have an ignoble end... They got beaten up off panel. But that was a pretty cool two page spread showing their bodies.

That two pager WAS pretty cool.

But that issue was retarded. Everything I hate about Marvel and their current issue padding nonsense.

It was like John Woo overhearing people talk about how his movies always have unnecessary slow motion action scenes, people jumping through fire, and doves appearing for absolutely no reason. And then he goes out and makes Mission Impossible II, a parody of his own work...made by himself.

Let's review, since I have the comic in front of me. Follow along at home!

Page #1 - Full page splash of Planet Earth.
Page #2 - Full page splash of Planet Earth WITH ENERGY HEADING TOWARDS IT.
Page #3 - Full page splash of Alaska WITH ENERGY HEADING TOWARDS IT.
Page #4 - Full page splash of ENERGY LANDING IN ALASKA.
Page #5&6 - TWO page splash of EXPLOSION due to ENERGY LANDING IN ALASKA.
Page #7 - Full page splash of THE GUY IN THE ENERGY screaming in Alaska.
Page #8 - Full page splash of THE GUY SCREAMING SOME MORE.

...WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT?

Eight fucking pages of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. In any other non-Bendis book, that could have been told in four panels. MAYBE three pages TOPS. Instead it took EIGHT (8) (VIII) (EIGHT!!!) ENTIRE PAGES. And they even had a shot of Planet Earth WITH ENERGY HEADING TOWARDS IT in the background of the "Previously in New Avengers" page.

I wanted to rip the comic up, right there. But then I realized I paid $3.50 CAN for this piece of shit, and I would only be screwing myself.

And then the rest is nonsense too, with two entire pages and three thousand meaningless words of Tony Stark and the director having a conversation about literally NOTHING, with two entire pages to show the red dot is slowly inching towards America, and an entire full page splash for the director to say "Avengers Assemble."

All that, and Alpha Flight doesn't even get to die on-panel.

And remember that Marvel comics are always short a page to start with because they burn one off every issue recapping what happened last issue, before they spend half the current issue recapping the last one all over again anyway.

JESUS TITTY FUCKING CHRIST

DID ANYONE READ THIS ISSUE? WHY IS THERE NOT MORE OUTRAGE AT THIS?

I wasn't even upset when I started this post, but just flipping through it again...this comic fucking sucks.

FUCK YOUR FUCKING ASS BENDIS

At least we get that excellent Kickers Inc. story at the end. Printed in premium glossary paper too.

[Carpet Lint]

FAAABLES!!!!11 is excellent though, and I feel we should make monthly checks to ensure mandatory reading from everyone in this thread.

Here's the list of all the trades out right now from DC's site.

FABLES VOL. 1: LEGENDS IN EXILE Softcover
FABLES VOL. 2: ANIMAL FARM Softcover
FABLES VOL. 3: STORYBOOK LOVE Softcover
FABLES VOL. 4: MARCH OF THE WOODEN SOLDIERS Softcover
FABLES VOL. 5: THE MEAN SEASONS Softcover
FABLES VOL. 6: HOMELANDS Softcover

Cool concept, excellent writing, it's Vertigo, and I guarantee you'll love it. Unless you're a dirty communist, in which case I guarantee nothing.

TO EVERYONE HERE - your first priority is picking up the Legends In Exile trade. Fuck your New Avengers, pick up FAAAAABLES!!!!1111.

If you like it, pick up the next one. And repeat. If you don't, you're a communist and you should probably be deported.

In all seriousness though, check out FAAAAABLES!!!!1111. It's my favourite monthly comic book, and all my trades and half my issues aren't in my possession because I've lent them all out. I've gotten three non-comic book readers hooked on it like crack.

That might also be because I actually laced the pages with cocaine before giving it to them, but I really enjoy the book, and I'm only high while reading it like...half the time. So there's something to be said for the quality of this book.

I base all of my credibility as a comic book nerd and fanboy into recommending this book.

FAAAABLES!!!!1111

[Nemesis00]

Hey, atleast the art was pretty.

[Carpet Lint]

And the excellent Kickers Inc. story at the end, don't forget that.

[Zephyranthes]

I skipped the Kickers Inc. story. Maybe I'll go back and read it at the store. I didn't actually buy my own copy of that New Avengers comic. That's probably why I wasn't upset at all. In fact, I laughed at my friend who bought the issue for me to read. Hahaha!! And I laugh at you, Carpet Lint, with your 3.50 Canadian down the drain. Ha ha ha.

But I do think that issue is why it makes perfect sense to wait for the trade. In a collected edition, a sequence like that is easily accepted as part of the pacing and texture of the story. It's just, who the hell enjoys paying 3.50 Canadian for a flimsy pamphlet that takes only 4 minutes to finish reading (not counting the Kickers Inc story, of course)?

[Shade]

Spiderman's new costume, Love It, or Hate it?

<--- Love.

[Sano]

Cool post, sano. I was watching the Shadow Chronicles trailer again just last night and I was wondering when the movie is coming. And what's this about a new Macross dub and when is it supposed to start coming out? Man, I still have my VHS of the Do You Remember Love? movie from back in the day and that dub is so freakin' awful it's hilarious. Also, do you know if Macross Zero is going to be translated for a North American release?

Alpha Flight did have an ignoble end... They got beaten up off panel. But that was a pretty cool two page spread showing their bodies.


The new Macross dub should be coming out soon(if it's not out already) if you want to check it out early pick up the February issue of Newtype if you can find it, it has the second episode on a bonus disk. It's a dub not affiliated with Robotech in any way, original music, opening and ending(and you can watch it subtitled). Their original Japanese names are used in the dub. Like I said Mari Iijima voices Minmei in the dub as well as her original seiyuu, her accent is very heavy speaking English, but cute in it's way.

Someone asked Harmony Gold about Macross Zero at the con, they said that they do not have the rights to Macross Zero nor will they acquire those rights since they consider it different/seperate from Robotech. So I have no idea what's up with Macross Zero coming stateside.

[RoninChaos]

That two pager WAS pretty cool.
snip

I bitched about this like two pages back.

[ViciousSLASH]

I bitched about this like two pages back.

I think we all did lays, I think we all did.

Shade no one likes it. You are wack for liking it. Shame on you.

Spidey has three costumes that I know of. Regular costume with not expressive eyes, Black venom costume, and Regular costume with GIANT ANIME EXPRESSION EYES.

Anything else is retarded.

When you hit it perfectly the first time, there is no reason to change it again, ever. Which is why Batman has only changed his costume once, and that wasn't even him.

The only time costume redesigns are constantly allowed are in the X Men. I think each X Man has like 234523523 different costumes easily. Too bad there is no reason to read X Men anymore.

I need to get in on this Fables thing. I'm going to the comic book store today, so I guess I will pick some up.

[Nemesis00]

Oh, but there is a reason to read X-Men. That reason is Brubaker.

[ViciousSLASH]

Oh, but there is a reason to read X-Men. That reason is Brubaker.

Isn't he making Captain America top tier again ?

Shows how much I know about comics now a days.

[Mr. Sinister]

Spiderman's new costume, Love It, or Hate it?

<--- Love.

I think the new costume is pretty sweet. A good twist to the old red and blue. I also saw those pics of the Ultimates. I must obtain that comic. NOW!!!!

[ChairHome]

Just picked up Infinte Crisis 5 and Batman Annual 25. BA 25 explains how Jason Todd came back... Ehhhh, when I first read it I thought that was kind of convenient, but I guess its plausible. For lack of a better word. IC 5 lacked the "oomph" from 4, but its decent for set up. Can't wait for 6. I think some OYL titles came out today, too...

I also picked up the trade for New Warriors: Reality Check. The warriors were one of my favorite comics growing up, and I've been waiting for this. I didn't know it was out already.

[maxx]

shang chi movie back on tracks http://movies.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1132764.php/Ang_Lee_confirms_Shang-Chi_project

[Carpet Lint]

I bitched about this like two pages back.
That's true, and I should have given you props for that.

We've all been bitching about Bendis in one way or another for a long while now, just because it's impossible for one man to get so many books right. I've been bitching since Ultimate Spider-Man, when they used to copy and paste a tiny panel of talking heads 18 times over and fill the page with three thousand words of a conversation about nothing.

One of the things that bothers me most in comics now is having dialogue in (brackets).

It started with Bendis, but now it's spreading. Not only in Marvel books, too. I've seen it in Invicible a couple times, and it's going around like the clap.

How does that work? How are you supposed to read it when you're following along with the dialogue in your head?

Like...is it a thought? Then shouldn't it be in a thought bubble? And what the hell does it mean when guys start talking back in forth in brackets? Like...

"Psylocke saved my life. (She's a slut though.)"
"Lucky for you, bub. (I've hit that.)"

...like...are they telepathic then? What's the deal? Or are they supposed to like mumble it or something?

It's always so weird.

[FreddyL0c0]

X-Factor 4 : good shit, but I do not enjoy the switching fo artists thats has been occuring since the second issue. Go with Sook and thats it. Nice ending though.

Nextwave 2 :fucking funny stuff. Fin Fang Foom made me LMAO when he uttered his last words.

Ultimates2 no10: Not as strong as 9, solely cause i would prefered the villains to have instaured themselves more. I understand the series is ening soon, but Im still getting the feeling that the last two issues are going to be rushed, plot wise.....Whatever, still gonna buy them.

also read IC5........now, why is the "anti-monitor" a super strong item?????

[Shade]

I think we all did lays, I think we all did.

Shade no one likes it. You are wack for liking it. Shame on you.

Spidey has three costumes that I know of. Regular costume with not expressive eyes, Black venom costume, and Regular costume with GIANT ANIME EXPRESSION EYES.

Anything else is retarded.

When you hit it perfectly the first time, there is no reason to change it again, ever. Which is why Batman has only changed his costume once, and that wasn't even him.

The only time costume redesigns are constantly allowed are in the X Men. I think each X Man has like 234523523 different costumes easily. Too bad there is no reason to read X Men anymore.

I need to get in on this Fables thing. I'm going to the comic book store today, so I guess I will pick some up.



Fuck you, you blue midget.

[Adam Warlock]

Iron Man is fucking pimp. And that's why he beasted in the battle polls. I'ma start busting bitches with champagne bottles now.

[P. Gorath]

read the first issue of Villains United and I am not really feeling it so far like i did with the others. I like how the tpb has 6 pages that collects snippets from other comics showing the build-up to the supergroup forming but the first issue felt over-written and the most obvious of the countdown arcs (ie not a very original idea to begin with). Im also not familiar with many of the villains.

One thing that has been bugging me - in COIE a woman took up the mantle of Dr. Light and became semi-good. Then in Identity Crisis Dr. Light is back to being a man. what gives?

[Foleyeffect]

Someone help me out here I just finished reading House of M and I want to know what the sequel to it is.

[Rage02fire]

ULTIMATES 10 WAS DOOOOOOOPE, better then IC5 this week.

X-Factor did better then IC5 too this week.

A great build up in ultimates to the MAIN event in 1 month and a week away.

LETS GET READY TO RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMBBLLEEEE.

Everyone who got screwed on the team is ready for some payback.


Iron Man is fucking pimp. And that's why he beasted in the battle polls. I'ma start busting bitches with champagne bottles now.

In the end though the man who dominated the issue was hawkeye, FINGERNAIL throws ftw.:clap:



and X-Factor had a great ending to it, monet is such a godess.

I checked out Black Panther 13 too and daaaaaamn black panther is a pimp lol.:rofl:

[Wellman]

X-Factor 4 : good shit, but I do not enjoy the switching fo artists thats has been occuring since the second issue. Go with Sook and thats it. Nice ending though.




Sook is off the book, I don't know when officially he has or will do the book, but he is no longer the regular artist.

[m121akuma]

Anyone else picking up the next USM just to see Ultimate Deadpool?

[Rage02fire]

Anyone else picking up the next USM just to see Ultimate Deadpool?


Ya I can't wait for that to happen shit's gonna be good.:smokin:

[Pained Auron]

read the first issue of Villains United and I am not really feeling it so far like i did with the others. I like how the tpb has 6 pages that collects snippets from other comics showing the build-up to the supergroup forming but the first issue felt over-written and the most obvious of the countdown arcs (ie not a very original idea to begin with). Im also not familiar with many of the villains.

One thing that has been bugging me - in COIE a woman took up the mantle of Dr. Light and became semi-good. Then in Identity Crisis Dr. Light is back to being a man. what gives?



give it time. book gets better as it goes along. as far as the dr. light thing, there's a female AND male dr. light. female is good, and male is evil

[Tantin]

Anyone else picking up the next USM just to see Ultimate Deadpool?

Can I get an issue number, Sir?

[Rage02fire]

Can I get an issue number, Sir?

91 Next issue.

[Pained Auron]

i feel sorry for the dcu. C.FP has returned to kill more people. who will be able to stop him?










SPOILER : yes superboy prime broke out of the speedforce much like he broke out of the phantom zone

[Tantin]

91 Next issue.

Thanks. I appreciate it.

[ChairHome]

i feel sorry for the dcu. C.FP has returned to kill more people. who will be able to stop him?










SPOILER : yes superboy prime broke out of the speedforce much like he broke out of the phantom zone


SPOILER: he never broke out of the phantom zone, wasn't it just a 'paradise' pocket dimension created by luthor?

[Pained Auron]

SPOILER: he never broke out of the phantom zone, wasn't it just a 'paradise' pocket dimension created by luthor?



no. that was "heaven". speedy shot an arrow at him that transported him into the phantom zone during the fight with superboy and everyone else (see teen titans 32). he broke out of that, and then the flashes owned him. temporarily anyway

[maxx]

sooo

superboy>the flashes and speedforce?

now if the speedforce and flash are broken..does this superboy prime even more broken?

[ChairHome]

no. that was "heaven". speedy shot an arrow at him that transported him into the phantom zone during the fight with superboy and everyone else (see teen titans 32). he broke out of that, and then the flashes owned him. temporarily anyway

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that. That was a great issue, too. Oops.

[Adam Warlock]

sooo

superboy>the flashes and speedforce?

now if the speedforce and flash are broken..does this superboy prime even more broken?


What. The. Fuck. Did you just ask if PRECRISIS SUPERMAN is broken?

Have you ever logged onto SRK before????

[Sano]

Someone help me out here I just finished reading House of M and I want to know what the sequel to it is.

Most of the X-Men ongoing series, Uncanny/Astonishing/X-Men, X-Men Deadly Genesis, X-Men 198 continue it.

But if your looking for the next big comic event that spins out of House of the events of House of M that's Civil War. Much like House of M spun out of Avengers Dissasembled. The story happened to start in Amazing Spider-Man, but the main Civil War 7 issue story arc hasn't started yet. So if you don't read Amazing Spider-Man you can just hang out for a while until the series begins. IE much like House of M you don't have to read every title that deals with House of M, you can just read the series and that's it. The more comics you read, the more you know, but it's not necessary, you don't have to pick up books you don't normally read. Marvel stopped doing that whole "Read Spider-Ham 8 if you want to see what happens next and then come back here to read X-Men" years ago, thank goodness. Well, they did do it with Spider-Man's "The Other" I suppose, but not with their major crossovers.

[P. Gorath]

was there ever a sequel to GR/W/P: Hearts of Darkness?

[TheDarkPhoenix]

Whats going on with the exiles now, I haven't read it since the hyperion arc. (which owned hardcore btw) I was thinking about picking up the trade paper back and then catching up from there, but is it worth it?

Also is excalibur anygood? I just so happen to pick up X-factor 1-4 we'll see if it holds my intrest.

Ulitmate wolverine vs hulk #2 was kinda bleh....

[Sano]

I gave Excalibur a shot when it first started this time around. Wasn't feeling it. It's funny how they didn't reveal how Magneto survived the attack of Genosha, Mags said "does it really matter?" and then we got the answer in House of M anyway, Scarlet Witch willed him alive at some point. So the book didn't even get to reveal the main thing it was supposed to reveal. :rofl:

Callisto with those tentacle arms, Prof X on Genosha, Callisto threatening Magneto with a plastic knife, nah, just wasn't feeling it.

It's starting up again though in a new direction, think Juggernaut's a member.

If you want to read some good Excalibur comics, see if you can track down the old original Excalibur issues by Alan Davis. Best X-Men book that no one read...

[The Damned]

What. The. Fuck. Did you just ask if PRECRISIS SUPERMAN is broken?

Have you ever logged onto SRK before????

Actually, he didn't. He asked if SUPERBOY-PRIME is broken.

And yes, yes he is. I haven't even read Identity Crisis (or any new comic in almost a year), but I know this. Versions of people involved with Superman were broken during "Precrisis DC".

[Zephyranthes]

Ah, the Chris Claremont Excalibur... It was all about the IMPOSTER. Claremont's writing hasn't changed in 25 years. He should try something new, like using parentheses in his dialogue. That'd definitely help him get with the times.

[maxx]

Actually, he didn't. He asked if SUPERBOY-PRIME is broken.

And yes, yes he is. I haven't even read Identity Crisis (or any new comic in almost a year), but I know this. Versions of people involved with Superman were broken during "Precrisis DC".

sweet christ are pre crisis heros broken.

pre-crisis supermans my favorite though..telepathy ftw!

[Adam Warlock]

Actually, he didn't. He asked if SUPERBOY-PRIME is broken.


Which is the same as asking who's better, Patch or Wolverine. Superboy Prime IS/WILL BE precrisis Superman.

[Carpet Lint]

Well obviously Wolvie's better, since Patch can't see out of one eye. DUH, man. COME ON, KEEP UP. (One day I will destroy you, and all that you stand for, Zephyranthes. I swear it.)

[Adam Warlock]

Well obviously Wolvie's better, since Patch can't see out of one eye. DUH, man. COME ON, KEEP UP. (One day I will destroy you, and all that you stand for, Zephyranthes. I swear it.)
That explains why he never hit Psylocke. no depth perception to see how big the booty is.

[FistsofFury]

Patch > Wolverine.

Patch wore some fly suits.

[DA GAME]

Question about DC's Eclipso.How did Jean Loring manage to become the new host?

[P. Gorath]

Question about DC's Eclipso.How did Jean Loring manage to become the new host?
she found the eclipso diamond in her cell in arkham. she touched it and then bam - eclipso took over and busted her out. This was after eclipso tried and somewhat successfully took over superman and shazam had to come in and kick ass in a cool way. All of this is told in the Day of Vengeance tpb which collects both the DoV mini-series and the 3 part superman 'lightning strikes twice'

[DA GAME]

she found the eclipso diamond in her cell in arkham. she touched it and then bam - eclipso took over and busted her out. This was after eclipso tried and somewhat successfully took over superman and shazam had to come in and kick ass in a cool way. All of this is told in the Day of Vengeance tpb which collects both the DoV mini-series and the 3 part superman 'lightning strikes twice'
Cool.Since DA GAME will be comic book shopping this weekend,that TPB will worth the pick-up

[Rage02fire]

Patch > Wolverine.

Patch wore some fly suits.



I agree but here's how it really goes...


Death>Patch > Wolverine.

Wolvie was probably at his baddest as a horseman for apocalypse.

[Zephyranthes]

Me, I prefer the gay biker look Wolverine of the Morrison/Quitely run.

[ChairHome]

Which is the same as asking who's better, Patch or Wolverine. Superboy Prime IS/WILL BE precrisis Superman.

*buzzer: ehhhhhhhhh* (that's the tone for a wrong answer)

Superboy Prime is from Earth Prime, where he was the only "metahuman", Precrisis Superman is from Earth-2. Not really the same person.

[ViciousSLASH]

All I have to say is that Fables is fucking awesome.

Bigby Wolf = The Man. Immortality concept, brilliant.

I bought trades 1-3, 5-6, I'm pissed, I had to stop reading at 3. DAMMIT.

[Rugal 3:16]

*buzzer: ehhhhhhhhh* (that's the tone for a wrong answer)

Superboy Prime is from Earth Prime, where he was the only "metahuman", Precrisis Superman is from Earth-2. Not really the same person.

Actually Pre-Crisis Superman is Earth-1 Superman (not to be confused with Post-crisis Superman)

The last Superman story pre-crisis was told in Alan Moore's Whatever Happened to the man of tomorrow.. After that everything went black and Viola John Byrne's man of Steel number 1 came into fruition.

Barry Allen is Spoiler sheesh.. no personality

Reding The Super-titles of February (This is your life 3 part storyline) really enhances reading IC number 5,

although..

S

P

O

I

L

E

R

IC number 5's battle between the two supermen was VERY short, The February Super-titles fully expand on the ENTIRE battle. with a cool twist of each supes living off the life of the other and BOTH failing.

[Adam Warlock]

*buzzer: ehhhhhhhhh* (that's the tone for a wrong answer)

Superboy Prime is from Earth Prime, where he was the only "metahuman", Precrisis Superman is from Earth-2. Not really the same person.
*buzzer: ehhhhhhhhh* (that's the tone for a wrong answer)

Superman from Earth 2 is the Golden Age supes, IIRC.

[ChairHome]

*buzzer: ehhhhhhhhh* (that's the tone for a wrong answer)

I'll double dare.

I was wrong about E2 Superman, but Superboy Prime is not the same person as a pre- pre-crisis Superman.

[Yasashiyama]

In the end though the man who dominated the issue was hawkeye, FINGERNAIL throws ftw.:clap:
Fucking owned everyone.:rofl:

[Carpet Lint]

All I have to say is that Fables is fucking awesome.

Bigby Wolf = The Man. Immortality concept, brilliant.

I bought trades 1-3, 5-6, I'm pissed, I had to stop reading at 3. DAMMIT.
WE GOT ANOTHER ONE

This one counts as mine though! That means I have FOUR converts now!

Bill Willingham owes me money for pimping out this book so hard.

Long live FAAAAAABLES!!!!!11111.

[ViciousSLASH]

WE GOT ANOTHER ONE

This one counts as mine though! That means I have FOUR converts now!

Bill Willingham owes me money for pimping out this book so hard.

Long live FAAAAAABLES!!!!!11111.

Goldilocks was fucking crazy. Bitch got what she deserved.

The James Jean covers are too diesel.

[Wellman]

*buzzer: ehhhhhhhhh* (that's the tone for a wrong answer)

I'll double dare.

I was wrong about E2 Superman, but Superboy Prime is not the same person as a pre- pre-crisis Superman.

Actually from my understanding, he basically has ALL the powers of Pre-Crisis Superman, although I don't know if he was around long enough to give him weakness other than being young and inexperienced.

Which would actually explain why he is so broken in IC other than being a freaking emotional moron and Alex Luther's pet.

[KungfuJoe]

*buzzer: ehhhhhhhhh* (that's the tone for a wrong answer)

I'll double dare.

I was wrong about E2 Superman, but Superboy Prime is not the same person as a pre- pre-crisis Superman.

yep that is correct superboy prime is not E1 superman who was broken in so many ways.

KFJ

[Pained Auron]

yep that is correct superboy prime is not E1 superman who was broken in so many ways.

KFJ


prime has all the powers of pre crisis supes.

[Against Me!]

Today I picked up the first TPB of The Goon, which I haven't read yet, and Jar of Fools. I'm halfway through Jar of Fools and i'm loving it. I love the artwork, which is very simplistic and the story is great. I don't think i've ever read a comic like it.

I'm wondering though if anyone could help direct me towards a starting point for getting into Thor and Green Lantern. I'm not sure if I should pick up one of the huge black & white compliations or if there's an individual TPB. If anyone could point me in the right direction i'd be grateful.

[Nemesis00]

It's kinda pointless to get into Thor at this point, but if you want a good Thor story, read Ragnorok.

[Carpet Lint]

I think there's a couple volumes of Walt Simonson trades if you want to check out some good Thor stories. That was a very good run, not just for Thor, but for a monthly comic book, period.

I don't know too much about Green Lanturn, but I think the Emerald Dawn trade (the origin of Hal Jordan) is both important and a great story.

oldilocks was fucking crazy. Bitch got what she deserved.

The James Jean covers are too diesel.
Yeah, James Jean won an Eisner for his covers. He draws Batgirl covers too, but those...don't really work as well. He's had some awesome covers for FAAAABLES!!111 though.

And I love the little banners around every page. Those are just neat.

And I think the lettering (the...letterer?) also got an Eisner, but I'd be lying if I said I could distinguish between good and bad lettering.

I think Mark Buckingham is fantastic for that book, and his style really fits well with the story sometimes - especially the goofy or action bits - but I don't know if I would have loved this book as much if Lan Medina wasn't the first artist. He drew the first Rose Red arc, and then the two part Briar Rose one, and maybe another here or there.

Buckingham is great, but when the art in that first story was so good, and I don't know if it would have had the same impression on me if Medina wasn't the first artist. I mean, I would have still loved the book regardless because it's written so well, but I don't know if I would have loved it this much. Afterall, I am a complete art whore at the end of the day.

And damn, Lan Medina's Snow White is smoking hot. And his Bigby looks more grizzled, and more like a real human being, as opposed to like...a giant shrunken head. Buckingham's Bigby just looks plain wack sometimes.

Anyone who isn't currently reading FAAAAABLES!!!111 should go and pick up the Legends In Exile trade the next time they're at the shop. I swear to you, you won't be disappointed. Unless you're a dirty commie.

[Adam Warlock]

yep that is correct superboy prime is not E1 superman who was broken in so many ways.

KFJ
Superboy prime has power on precrisis supes level.

[regulate]

Damnit Lint, you keep talking about fables like its better than crack. Pitch it to me .

[Shadowhaxor]

Actually Pre-Crisis Superman is Earth-1 Superman (not to be confused with Post-crisis Superman)

The last Superman story pre-crisis was told in Alan Moore's Whatever Happened to the man of tomorrow.. After that everything went black and Viola John Byrne's man of Steel number 1 came into fruition.

Barry Allen is Spoiler sheesh.. no personality

Reding The Super-titles of February (This is your life 3 part storyline) really enhances reading IC number 5,

although..

S

P

O

I

L

E

R

IC number 5's battle between the two supermen was VERY short, The February Super-titles fully expand on the ENTIRE battle. with a cool twist of each supes living off the life of the other and BOTH failing.

WTF.. I just had this thread on another forum. Any way, this is end who is who

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000050173&start=0&tstart=0

[ViciousSLASH]

Yeah, James Jean won an Eisner for his covers. He draws Batgirl covers too, but those...don't really work as well. He's had some awesome covers for FAAAABLES!!111 though.

I like the ones with the tiger and rose red, especially the cover to the second trade and the sixth trade, those two are GREAT.

And I love the little banners around every page. Those are just neat.

Me too, it helps you follow the story sometimes. I love how everyone gets there own little banner too. The way buckingham sets up panels is nice too.

I think Mark Buckingham is fantastic for that book, and his style really fits well with the story sometimes - especially the goofy or action bits - but I don't know if I would have loved this book as much if Lan Medina wasn't the first artist. He drew the first Rose Red arc, and then the two part Briar Rose one, and maybe another here or there.

Buckingham is great, but when the art in that first story was so good, and I don't know if it would have had the same impression on me if Medina wasn't the first artist. I mean, I would have still loved the book regardless because it's written so well, but I don't know if I would have loved it this much. Afterall, I am a complete art whore at the end of the day.

And damn, Lan Medina's Snow White is smoking hot. And his Bigby looks more grizzled, and more like a real human being, as opposed to like...a giant shrunken head. Buckingham's Bigby just looks plain wack sometimes.

I like Buckinghams snow, in the later arcs, with the little curly hair twirls. He draws a really goofy bigby sometimes though, like he's super droopy. Buckingham draws super cute female faces too, especially Red.

[Zephyranthes]

And I think the lettering (the...letterer?) also got an Eisner, but I'd be lying if I said I could distinguish between good and bad lettering.


Todd Klein, sucka. Todd Klein's the letterer of Fables. As well as a plethora of other award-winning books. The man has locked down the Eisner for best letterer for something ridiculous, like 12 out of the last 13 years. He's done Sandman, most if not all of Alan Moore's ABC books, WE3, the Human Target: Final Cut OGN, Kingdom Come, DKSA, Desolation Jones, and a buncha other books. Basically if Todd Klein letters your comic, it's a good comic. I don't think it's possible for him to letter any piece of subpar work.

[Adam Warlock]

Damnit Lint, you keep talking about fables like its better than crack. Pitch it to me .

it IS crack. Lint got me hooked on that shit around issue 15 or so and I've been stuck on it ever since.

[Nemesis00]

Ok, I'll bite. What is Fables?

[Carpet Lint]

Oh the brood is growing. FABLES!!!!!11111

Damnit Lint, you keep talking about fables like its better than crack. Pitch it to me .
All these fairy book characters (Snow White, Big Bad Wolf, Three Little Pigs, etc.) have been driven out of their homelands by this mysterious enemy called the Adversary. So they escape into our world, and set up shop in modern day New York. King Cole is the mayor of Fabletown, Snow White is the deputy mayor, the newly reformed Big Bad Wolf is the sheriff...stuff like that.

So if you want to check out something new, I'd suggest picking up the first FAAAABLES!!!11 trade the next time you're at the store. I can't think of too many better ways to spend your comic book money.

Check out DC's page for it...
http://dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=1606

...and if that interests you, cop the first trade, if that interests you, cop the next one, and keep doing it until you get sick of it or your run out and you're on the street sucking cock for comic book money like I am.

Only really cool thing about this book is recognizing fairy book characters that you remember from those old stories and seeing how they're imagined in this book. It's kinda like at the beginning of the Ultimate Universe, when it was still really neat to check out how all the old characters got Ultimatized. I get such a kick out of the story when I recognize a character that I read about in fairy tales when I was a kid. Even all the little minor cameo ones that pop up from time to time, especially in the second story arc.

But I don't want to pimp it out so hard that people are going to start thinking it's overrated or whatever. It won't redefine comics and it won't blow your mind like DKR or Watchmen or something, but it's a very well made comic. The writing is sharp, the dialogue is good, the plots are fun and interesting, and the characters are all excellent. And honestly, that's all you can ask for these days in a monthly.

For what it's worth, it's my favourite monthly right now...but everyone's tastes are different.

But I like to think FAAAABLES!!!11 is the Scarlet Johansson of comic books - she's to everyone's taste. Unless you're a gay or something.

I think every comic book nerd should check out at least the first trade - just to see if they like it.

Todd Klein, sucka. Todd Klein's the letterer of Fables. As well as a plethora of other award-winning books. The man has locked down the Eisner for best letterer for something ridiculous, like 12 out of the last 13 years. He's done Sandman, most if not all of Alan Moore's ABC books, WE3, the Human Target: Final Cut OGN, Kingdom Come, DKSA, Desolation Jones, and a buncha other books. Basically if Todd Klein letters your comic, it's a good comic. I don't think it's possible for him to letter any piece of subpar work.
Man, that's so cool. He's like the Robert Horry of comics. The ultimate role player.

it IS crack. Lint got me hooked on that shit around issue 15 or so and I've been stuck on it ever since.
FIVE! Our legions are strong!

[Zephyranthes]

http://www.dccomics.com/features/fables/FABL001.pdf

You can even check out the entire first issue of FAAAAAAAABLES!!!!!!!!11 online.

Good job, Clinty, on the "hard sell" because I'm way too lazy to explain again why everyone has to read it. You know what, you should copy and paste everything you wrote, and put it in the first post of this thread for easy reference. Then, whenever someone asks what, "Okay, so what the hell is FAAAAAAABLES!!!11?" we can just say, "See the first post in the thread."

[DeathScythe]

Anybody read the latest Batman Annual revealing Jason Todd's revival? Pretty average if you ask me. I was hoping for Earth 2 Robin or something. I won't mention anything about it other than that.

And Green Lantern Corps Recharge was pretty badass. Guy Gardner owned that entire issue. And Spiderman is going downhill for me ever since The Other storyline. Friendly Neighborhood Spidey was pure ass. Just some chick talking about how Spidey was stalking her cause everytime he was fighting some villian he always ended up tussling with said villian everywhere she was. Not Peter Davids best work. If this keeps up, Spidey is gonna catch the axe on my monthly list.

And Identity Crisis #5 was pretty damn cool in terms of Brother Eye and the new Blue Beetle being the ONLY MAN ALIVE to be able to see it. Meaning IC#6 involves Batman and crew owning shit up. Shitloads of Earths now. Fucking crazy.

Ultimates #10: Good shit. Hawkeye using his fingernails as projectiles and shit that killed in one shot. But that issue was crazy. And the Crimson Dynamo is Asian now. Pretty crazy.

Edit: Y The Last Man owns ALL. The latest issue was great.

[Zephyranthes]

I think Y is good enough that we need to begin referring to it as Y: The Last MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!111 from now on.

[Shadowhaxor]

The Other storyline. Friendly Neighborhood Spidey was pure ass. Just some chick talking about how Spidey was stalking her cause everytime he was fighting some villian he always ended up tussling with said villian everywhere she was. Not Peter Davids best work. If this keeps up, Spidey is gonna catch the axe on my monthly list.


I wouldn't even sweat it. With Civil Wars around the corner and supposely spidey is a major factor in it all, I doubt you're remember The Other after a while. Still wtf is with the new suit. I mean, sure he's got new tools and all. But the last time I checked he was still Spiderman and not IronMan!!!:confused:

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[DeathScythe]

I think Y is good enough that we need to begin referring to it as Y: The Last MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!111 from now on.




Word. Been reading since the first issue. Damn good shit. And I've been reading up on V for Vendetta. Getting ready for that movie. It looks pretty accurate so far. And I love that mask. Its hilarious at first, but yet, creepy at the same time.

[Rogue328]

I dunno about Civil War. Anyone feel like Marvel had to come up with some crazy ass crossover megaevent, before DC whupped them two years in a row?

New Spidey suit? Fucking ridiculous. I think Joe Q. is slowly losing it.

[Shade]

The new Spidey suit rawks, IMO. No design flaws in my book. People who complain about it really dont have a justified reason (unless someone tells me otherwise).

Civil War definitely sounds interesting. I'm one of the few it seems who doesnt have an interest in DC's universe, and their flawed characters, but then thats just Fanboy mode sinking in.

[maxx]

I dunno about Civil War. Anyone feel like Marvel had to come up with some crazy ass crossover megaevent, before DC whupped them two years in a row?

New Spidey suit? Fucking ridiculous. I think Joe Q. is slowly losing it.

he lost it long ago...the minute he took over marvel.

[Yasashiyama]

Anybody read the latest Batman Annual revealing Jason Todd's revival? Pretty average if you ask me. I was hoping for Earth 2 Robin or something. I won't mention anything about it other than that.
People ate up that issue like taped up jailbait. I was wondering why people kept asking me "Where's the Batman annual!?! Where?!?!"

Has anyone ever mentioned Battle Pope before? I was recommended by a friend to check it out and I found it to be FUCKING hilarious. No lie. If any of you see an issue (doesn't really where you start) get it. Try getting it from the first issue on (number 5 just came out) though.

[regulate]

People ate up that issue like taped up jailbait. I was wondering why people kept asking me "Where's the Batman annual!?! Where?!?!"

Has anyone ever mentioned Battle Pope before? I was recommended by a friend to check it out and I found it to be FUCKING hilarious. No lie. If any of you see an issue (doesn't really where you start) get it. Try getting it from the first issue on (number 5 just came out) though.

i did, but sadly i only have issue one, my comic shop closed down.

[Zephyranthes]

Civil War definitely sounds interesting. I'm one of the few it seems who doesnt have an interest in DC's universe...

I feel you, man. I just don't have time and money to read 23958 interconnected books to get the "whole" story. DC's got superb marketing, though; I flipped through some of the One Year Later books that came out last week, and it actually made me want to read 52 just to see how things ended up the way they did. And I'm sure reading 52 would entice me to read all the other DC comics. I'm just not real