How long did it take you to learn to PTF?

[Hail And Kill]

alright, i am a pad learner but i am getting my DF stick soon... i always have a problem though, when i do use a stick at my arcade i always get my ass kicked because i always fuck up my CC,never can do it. anyone have the same probelm? converting from pad -> stick? sometimes i think maybe i should stay on the pad and forget about the stick...

[Onikage]

4 years.

[Camelot_chorhai]

Basically try to get the rhythm down first of doing consective dp motions (your training your brain to get used to the motion). After you feel comfortable with that, practice. Playing with really crappy joysticks really helped me get the motion down. So basically when I paint the fence, I mash foward then release to neutral then mash to down forward then release to neutral and etc.

[Hail And Kill]

ive got the rhythm and everything, just have to master the mtion on a stick.

usually what happens is, nothing comes out or i do a devils reverse because im going too high on the stick.. =/

[Camelot_chorhai]

In that case, just mash the motion out. It help you get accurate motions on the bad or really loose sticks.

And the answer to your actual question, ever since SBO2 vids just before evo2004(seeing how gay Bison was :tdown: ). I got the custom down within 3 months and only recently mastered it. Now I just have to stop being a scrub who constantly loses to roll super and random pokes. :xeye:

[s1lence]

I recently tried to do the Paint the Fence CC for the first time, and after about an hour of not being able to pull it off by doing repeated DP's I just found that if you do a DP motion and do the first swipe and land it just do the hadoken motion with a punch and it will come out again. So, it would be DP+P,then hadouken motion over and over. Hope it helps.

[TGC]

Still can't do it consistently on both sides.

[Onikage]

yeah when I've got the opp in the 1p corner I have to do (2 paints then mp). I am sux.

[noodleman]

i'm still trying to find a good way to hold the stick to do separate dp motions in the right/1p corner (i do it by doing qcf's, but don't get as many hits). left/2p corner i do separate dp motions no problem now.

[popoblo]

my entire life has been dedicated to painting the fence.

ask a stupid question, you'll get a stupid answer. if somebody says 1 day, will you try harder? does 4 years make you want to quit cvs2? this topic has been beat to DEATH in too many threads. practice doing individual DP motions, don't buffer. then practice some more. then practice some more, to the other side.

gg

[Hail And Kill]

im asking how long it took you. not how you do it. no shit, ive been practicing. And i have found my answer so might as well close this thread.

[Mickey D']

Three days on one side....I still haven't gotten the other side down yet (I picked up a groove like...7 days ago first learned sakura's then bison's)

[Hail And Kill]

yeah, took me about 4 days for the right side.the left side is funky as hell...

[Mickey D']

I agree. But like ppb said. Don't even worry how fast others have learned it. It shouldn't be a down on your skill at all. Shoshosho/Paint IMO is all a technique. I didn't know how easily qcf's should be done so i would get his psycho crusher or his command jump thing. once again like ppb says...it's al practice

[ChainReaction]

Learned in a couple of days but took months to perfected it. Now I can PTF or shoshosho anytime with confidence. Hail are you going to Evol this year?

[Hail And Kill]

nah man, im not going evo. i wouldnt stand a chance and plus, I wouldn't ride there. not old enough yet.

[SNAAAAKE]

Like a day..I didnt even know about the buffer method which is a LOT easier than DP xx.Sometimes I still cancel into some random shit like headstump from right side..Gotta work on that.

[Hail And Kill]

i tried the buffer method, and its fuckin wierd, i do it too fast. so i just go with the seperates.

[skarex]

How exacly is the buffer method done. Ive been trying to learn the PTF for some time now, but its a bitch. I can sometimes pull it off on a pad but only facing right :( , but have yet to do so on a stick. I know the rhythem just gotta work on loosing up my wrist i guess. I do got the shoshosho down, i just cant seem to get PTF.

[Hail And Kill]

buffer is when you do One dragon punch motion and just do continuous qcf motions from there, I personally highly suggest you learn the seperate motion because buffer method takes away a lot of hits.

[Rage02fire]

When I try the ptf It fucks up I can do it on my ps pad or use to be able to. Now it's like when I do it, it'll do a psyco crusher when I was doing dp. Does that happen to any of you guys at all who use ps pads or ps2 pads.................

[Hail And Kill]

err..... It never happened to me. Sometimes on stick.

[skarex]

well, im a Dpad player, i haven't gotten the chance to pick up a real stick for my consoles, im lookin torards the X-arcade. But i got some BS ones which aint too bad, but my room is small and i got no place for a sturdy stand to use my sticks effectively.

Anyway, about the messing up, yea it happenes sometimes that i jump or devil reverse while tryin, which really pisses me off. And since im limited to one side, its hard for me to actually set it up. Facin left is a bitch for me, never got it and i practice constantly. With Sak i can gget about 40+ hits on the shou, but never more than 30 with Bison and i dont use the buffer method.

[Onikage]

I have to do dp motions in 1p corner and buffer in 2p corner. I don't lose any hits for buffering, I get the full 5.

[ph!Lop!a]

i'm still trying to find a good way to hold the stick to do separate dp motions in the right/1p corner (i do it by doing qcf's, but don't get as many hits). left/2p corner i do separate dp motions no problem now.

HaHa! The exactly how i am. Left side = no problem, ill kill. Right side = Ghetto CC that does no damage. [Dp fp x 2, s.fp, repeat]. Woohoo! i call it "the lazy painter."

As for the original question: it took me about a month to get it down consistantly in the left side corner. I actually learned how to do the PTF on a DC pad first (got the timing down for each individual dp) then at the arcade, i just practiced the constant DP motions until i got it. The CC/motions itself arent that hard, i think a lot of people tend to rush through it or they start to spaz out and thats what causes them to mess up. Just find the smooth rhythem, concentrate, and practice.

lol...i can PTF, but i cant shoshosho worth crap...

[skarex]

Well i gave the buffer method a try and it seems to be easier, i cant exacly get it but a few hits are better than none. Maybe i was wrong about rhythem, imma just start watchin the videos on em and see if i can pace my self from that. I gave up controllers and trying to stick2stickin it from now on. Gonna take a lil getting used to, but its worth it. Matter fact, imma head to the arcade now and get my ass kicked ;P

[catchafire]

Combos like shoshosho and PTF have made me seriously doubt my skillz as a street fighter player. The fact that I can't do either makes me want to hang it up for good, especially since i've been practicing for almost a yr w/o any real results.

I learned how to do the buffer method really well, but there's a reaon why people like PPB stress learning how to do it the right way. Every stick is different as well as arcade sticks, so you might know how to do it at home but when you go to a tourny or play on someone elses sticks, your up shits creek without a paddle.

Doing a DP is just beyond me. I wish I never learned how to play SF on a pad. Holding the joy-stick is weird, and then doing a DP motion is akward. DP: f, neutral, d, df

and to do the PTF combo is just the DF motion, neutral, DF motion, X whatever... TUFF...

[skarex]

I guess its all about practice, ive gotten better ever since i started readin this thread, trying different ways and rythems, i still cant do it well, but im sur eim getting there.

I also regret playin pad first, stick was really hard to get used to, and i still have some trouble. I hate losing a match due to the fact that several moves refused to execute. Especially when i got it set it for the CC and i fuck it up.

My main team isn't very original, but i find it the funnest to play,
A-blanka/sakura/bisonR2, i can set up CCs from time to time, but again, never can actually do em right. I just put my head down and walk away a loser. Kills my playin spirit everytime, lol.

[BIG BEEF!]

SO the way u do it is just DP+P???

[gig4ls]

Yeah, I went pad first too...a mistake :(
I'm slowly getting better with the dp only method even tho I don't practice that much. Just keep chugging along and you'll get it, try not to be dishearted. If you actually do get disheartened, try practicins b&b's, you can never practice those too much.

[BIG BEEF!]

how do u do PTF?

[skarex]

how do u do PTF?

Um, do you mean how is it done, or how we do it as individuals?

Anyway, about how to do it, im no expert, i go about what i see on vidz. I also have a question reguarding on how exacly to do it. The way i do is:

Lets say off the ground after the last scissor kick to the corner: activate-> s.HP->dp.MPxN->super

My question is, what is the best punch to use when doing the PTF. I use MP cuz its slightly easier to time, i cant keep em up in the air when i use HP. But it kinda affects the damage doesn't it?

[Hail And Kill]

Yes, it affects damage. use Hp, learn it, master it. you win.

[Dimmu|Borgir]

thanks guys thanks to reading this thread im lerning how to paint the fence really well. took my about a week to learn it on left side. now when i go to my arcade i kill peeps with it

[Gouki7]

Can't do it for shit on stick but didn't take long to be able to do it,it took a little while getting used to the setups

[j1nl0ng]

Is PTF, that whacked out corner combo, slapping the shizz outta the person in A-Groove Vega?

[Hail And Kill]

yes.

[Jackenstein373]

I too started on the pad...and I can do PTF but my thumb always starts to slip from the controller. The buffering method loses a lot of damage but is easier I guess. Since I work at an arcade with CVS2 (Jillian's for any peeps who live in the metro atlanta area) I've been practicing on the stick, but man it would be nice if the arcade had a training mode...haha

[straightkilla]

get yourself a stick man.

cause when you reach the arcades you'll notice the play is a little different. anyway,buffering PTF isnt always gonna cost you your max. damage. just practice on the timing to see how much you can slow it down without losing it.

its stupid. i learned to shosho and PTF the first few times i tried it. the harder part was the setups for me-considering the people i play against.

[straightkilla]

uhm,PTF with MP or HP?

i been doing it all this time with HP. i THINK i read somewhere that MP is better for damage? i tried it out,got it working,and it doesnt really seem true at all.

or was that a-sak?

[noodleman]

you thought wrong, on both counts.

With bison you always paint with FP.

With sak it doesn't matter, you end up with the same amount of hits regardless of using mp of fp. it's going to end it ~53hits anyways. Its' just that with mp it's HARDER to cancel into the super at the end.

[straightkilla]

i stick to HP,but i said i THINK i read somewhere

[Shin-Chan]

Well. i´m in some troubles.. dont know.... I used to do perfectly PTF.MP.... but... a wille ago... I started to do that a little orng... then started to do with HP... done a little bether.... but still.. sometimes I see some wrong HP in middle of PTF.....

How u ppl do that? I mean.. I do that way : DP motion then I hit with the stick down, then foward, down and foward... is that the right way?

[gig4ls]

Well. i´m in some troubles.. dont know.... I used to do perfectly PTF.MP.... but... a wille ago... I started to do that a little orng... then started to do with HP... done a little bether.... but still.. sometimes I see some wrong HP in middle of PTF.....

How u ppl do that? I mean.. I do that way : DP motion then I hit with the stick down, then foward, down and foward... is that the right way?

WTF???
If you're asking how to do PTF, I would suggest this: f, d, df + hp, neutral, f, d, df + hp, neutral, etc.

I must admit that I don't do that because the stick that I have was modded and it has slower vertical movement than lateral movement.

[Shin-Chan]

WTF???
If you're asking how to do PTF, I would suggest this: f, d, df + hp, neutral, f, d, df + hp, neutral, etc.

I must admit that I don't do that because the stick that I have was modded and it has slower vertical movement than lateral movement.
_______________________ lol is tha strange to do like that??? my riend do like that too.... so.... the "normal" thing is totho dp, neutral, dp, neutral, ....?

[gig4ls]

Yes, I'm gonna try it when I get my normal stick in the mail soon :)

Also, I find it almost impossible to get more than 3 psycho banishes if doing: [f, df, d, df, f]*N in the left corner.

[Hail And Kill]

You guys are confusing me...But ill try to clear some shit up.

MP or HP Paint The Fence?

Like someone said, HP is ALWAYS used. Never want to hear this question asked again. MP will never do more damage, it will always be hp. Seperate DPs for full hits, or you can half ass it with continuous qcf motions.

MP with ShoShoShoSho?

If you mash like crazy on an american stick with the continuous Qcf motions, then use mp. otherwise, do half-assed continuous qcf hp motions... or do the perfect motion with seperate DPs(usually only works on japanese stick because they're so much better.)

Half assing - 53 hits?
Full DPs - 60-63 hits. thats a big difference, thats 1000 damage.

[noodleman]

You guys are confusing me...But ill try to clear some shit up.

MP or HP Paint The Fence?

Like someone said, HP is ALWAYS used. Never want to hear this question asked again. MP will never do more damage, it will always be hp. Seperate DPs for full hits, or you can half ass it with continuous qcf motions.

MP with ShoShoShoSho?

If you mash like crazy on an american stick with the continuous Qcf motions, then use mp. otherwise, do half-assed continuous qcf hp motions... or do the perfect motion with seperate DPs(usually only works on japanese stick because they're so much better.)

Half assing - 53 hits?
Full DPs - 60-63 hits. thats a big difference, thats 1000 damage.

I think even with full dp's shoshos, you need to time it perfectly so that it does 4 hits per dp in order to get 60-63 hits. It doesn't usually happen for me, and either way usually lands like around 50 something something hits, so to me it doesn't make much of a difference.

But cancelling mp dp into super to end the cc is mad hard. you only have two hits of the dp for you to input the qcf x 2 motion to cancel into the super.

For both sho shos and paint, I use FP. though MP shosho's are decent as well. any other strength shoshoo/paint will not work properly.

[Shin-Chan]

omg.... its really possible to make 63 hitson shoshosho? i never done more then 50... I know.. I´m a noob... but I only do a little mashed in qcf... but not that crazy... a little timed dp.hp.... buts seens that not enought......

PTF i do 50 too... something like that....but mashing in qcf must be done slowly.... when enemys on left side i do the perfect dp motion.... it just hurt my arm >__<

[gig4ls]

I think when H&K says ~ 63 hits he means you start off in the corner (is this correct?)
You can use the qcf method (scrubby style) and get very close to that, but if you use the real dp buffer method you tend to get 4 or 5 hits.

BTW, the [f, df, d, df, f]*N is the qcf method. It's super scrubby and you have an extra motion in there that doesn't have to be. I like it :D

[Hail And Kill]

No. i ALWAYS get 60-63 hits. Guys, its probably because i am using a japanese stick. The max ive ever gotten with bison(without a jump in), is probably like... 70+. easily, bison should be able to because if you are already in the corner, you paint 15 times, thats 75 hits. i think ...O_o

You don't need to be in the corner, i always get 4 hits on each shoryuken with sakura. Always 5 with bison, sometimes ill rush it to fit the 15th DP in though.

[Shin-Chan]

..... wait a sec.... its.... really possible to do hits in the PTF??? when I wait that long to do 5 hit the char always fall.... I menage only to do 4 hits(PTF HP).... is that really bad or something?

[gig4ls]

Well, if you only get 4 hits normally (like me) and you do about 12 DPs, then you're missing out on 12 hits which is about 2400 damage, which is like hitting them with a weak level 1 super using other characters. So I'd say yes, we are missing out on a big damage opportunity.
Also, I find that after I get them in the corner, if I slide then I find it most natural to juggle with lp before the DP motion, and if I scissor then I use mk, which means I lose hits in the first DP (usually get ~3 hits). Don't copy my mistake :sad:

[popoblo]

Well, if you only get 4 hits normally (like me) and you do about 12 DPs, then you're missing out on 12 hits which is about 2400 damage, which is like hitting them with a weak level 1 super using other characters. So I'd say yes, we are missing out on a big damage opportunity.

wrong. after damage scaling on the whatever hit before 10 (8th or 9th?), each hit does 100 points of damage. so you're missing out on 1200 pts of damage, about the equivalent of a fierce. everybody who learns bison should SERIOUSLY practice until they get 5 hits per fierce DP.

and no, i don't have any tips on getting 5 hits other than practicing and making sure you're juggling them at the right height.

[straightkilla]

P-ingTF i get 63 hits. more or less. never made it to 70+ like these other dudes. not in real play that is. i used to only get 50+ then worked my way up. i have no clue how much damage im missing out on,but im glad i gained what i didnt have before. which is probably small :(

[Hail And Kill]

i unno man, how can you not get 5 hits each?... i dont understand, just time it guys its not that hard... I honestly start to trip out if i miss 2 hits. yes i am a freak like that.

[KenMasters]

ok just to clear some things up whether u do the sho sho method or the dp method there really is no difference


ive mastered the sho sho method and i can do 83 hits altogether

jump in hk st. mp into mk scissor kick activate st.hp -> then paint when u have like 1 pixel of bar left do the super (ive noticed that ppl dont use their entire bar they freak and just do super wait until the last possible moment then do ur super for max hits)


basically when u guys practice it try the alternating method mp then hp because with hp u have to be a bit more precise with ur timing because the character will be lower to the ground

and u can do it really slowly too so dont try to spaz it the key is rhythm no matter what method u use

[Shin-Chan]

I´m get really mad..... when i started playing Bison, I just knew how to do PTF in the right corner, with buffer motion(the left corner was impossible).

After a time... I learner how to do on the left corner and now I do only 5 hits(rarely 4) .... and my full combo in left corner is 83 hits.... but... but.... WHY THE FUCK I CANT DO ANYMORE ON THE RIGHT SIDE?...

Dam.... its like... i cant do buffer anymore... but do dp motion on the right side of corner is a little bit hard...

[Hellion]

After a time... I learner how to do on the left corner and now I do only 5 hits(rarely 4) .... and my full combo in left corner is 83 hits.... but... but.... WHY THE FUCK I CANT DO ANYMORE ON THE RIGHT SIDE?...



You know it's funny that the other guy you're beasting PTF on probably doesn't care; he's just shaking his head that he got nailed and is going to loose.

[2hai]

I´m get really mad..... when i started playing Bison, I just knew how to do PTF in the right corner, with buffer motion(the left corner was impossible).

After a time... I learner how to do on the left corner and now I do only 5 hits(rarely 4) .... and my full combo in left corner is 83 hits.... but... but.... WHY THE FUCK I CANT DO ANYMORE ON THE RIGHT SIDE?...

Dam.... its like... i cant do buffer anymore... but do dp motion on the right side of corner is a little bit hard...

Well left corner, the motion for dp and buffer seems smaller and easier to do esp. for sho sho and PTF. Right side u just have to train your brain to do whatever motion u do so u get used to it. One way u can do this is just get the motion down without training. If u feel uncomfortable by about 5 or 6, your hands and brains aren't used to it. So basically its like doing crunches when your out of shape, u feel the burn real hard at first, but u tend to get used to it. Practice the motion, but concentrate on proper form, and there u go. Its easier to do sho sho and ptf with smaller motions imo, so find that motion.

Personally i do dp, one way to learn that is just do dp, let go of joystick for a tenths of second, then another one. Eventually u get the hang of it. Or some people just move the joystick from df to f, in an arc motion, and thats like a hybrid form of dp and buffer imo.

[Hellion]

I am sure most people probably "turtle up" a little more when Bison's got a full bar, since the best way for him to use his meter (and not waste it) is to knockdown and activate while they're "floating" how often do you fuck up and end up getting your CC blocked (although I don't see how that's possible unless you random activate from mixed up dash attempts or try to slide through whiffs)

[ruthless_nash]

ok someone help me out here. i tried doing this, but i aint very good at (i can do shosho just fine), my problem is the opponent keeps falling onto the ground, is it cos im not doing it fast enough? or do they have to be a certain height or something? :S

also, what is this other method you guys talk about, other than shosho? thanks

[Postman~730]

still cant do this shit.....:sad:

EDIT- now I can get hits on the 1p side, but cant if Im on the 2nd player side, same with Sak and shoshosho. Arrgghhh!!!

[vkuwabara]

me too, i cant do this shit!!

my friend, on 2p side, just do dp motion all the way, and he can do it perfectly.
is it easier on american stick or in japanese stick?

[Hellion]

Can u guys even get one or two reps? What are you doing mashing it out as fast as you can? Some details maybe would help rather than "still can't do this shit."

Lots of new people I watch doing it fuck up because it's a fast move, and they think they've got to do it fast. Really you got to do it slightly slower than you think.

Here's a "picture" to work on.

:dp: :hp:, you're at :df: , continue to :r: , roll it to :d:, and on the way to rolling back to :r: again you tap :hp: at :df: ...x N.

If you focus too much on doing smart, crisp, precision moves you're thinking too much and believe it or not that slows your reaction time since you're basically anticipating when to do the next DP.

It's supposed to flow continuous like.


I learned it by mashing the first 2-3 at first and slowing the dp's down so I could recognize the "tempo" you're supposed to be at, having whitnessed people confortable with the motions a number of times it shouldn't be too hard. It's like those players doing it aren't thinking at all.

Just rolling the stick from forward to down to forward again and hitting HP just after down, but still rolling. Slower than you think to get maximum hits in.

Rolling, rollin, rolllin rollin.



Rephrasing my initial question; how often do people "random" activate, say after mixing up dash throw with dash activate and end up forced to do GC? I would imagine this happens a lot if someone's ahead and they're just waiting it out to force Bison to take risks.

[Postman~730]

Well Im still in practice mode. Im scissor kickin' into activation and then from there I hit s.hpx2 then Psycho Vanish....Is that good?

[Hellion]

Well Im still in practice mode. Im scissor kickin' into activation and then from there I hit s.hpx2 then Psycho Vanish....Is that good?
I'm not the one to talk to about how whole typical CC's go, but the general idea being knockdown, activate, whatever to the corner, paint, super

So long as you get the repeated dp motions down you'll be good to go working with other setups like anti-airs etc. I suppose that if you want to just start practicing DP motions and set it up that way go for it. I just activate slide quick s.lp, d.HP, whatever, and immediately cancel to a DP+HP, get the second one, third, find that pace again and slow down and before I know it I'm painting. Sorta. It's a start anyway to get the timing pace down.

I don't play Bison just good to know what you're up against that's all.

I'm sure that they describe earlier on in detail in previous M.Bison threads how to go about setting it up like how you're asking, but IMO the important thing firstly is learning to paint since juggling to the corner's easy.

[Postman~730]

I'm not the one to talk to about how whole typical CC's go, but the general idea being knockdown, activate, whatever to the corner, paint, super

So long as you get the repeated dp motions down you'll be good to go working with other setups like anti-airs etc. I suppose that if you want to just start practicing DP motions and set it up that way go for it. I just activate slide quick s.lp, d.HP, whatever, and immediately cancel to a DP+HP, get the second one, third, find that pace again and slow down and before I know it I'm painting. Sorta. It's a start anyway to get the timing pace down.

I don't play Bison just good to know what you're up against that's all.

I'm sure that they describe earlier on in detail in previous M.Bison threads how to go about setting it up like how you're asking, but IMO the important thing firstly is learning to paint since juggling to the corner's easy.


Aight, whats a good stick to practice on, right now Im currently on a MAS Stick.

[Hellion]

Aight, whats a good stick to practice on, right now Im currently on a MAS Stick.

Isn't that as good as it gets here in the States?
More or less?

[vkuwabara]

nice explanation.
I do the 1st f,d,df then I continue with qcf, not mashing. In 2p side I can't do this, it just doesnt work for me, he always punch

[Hail And Kill]

Can I close this thread? Or do you guys still need it? Shouldn't you guys be posting in the "Perfet Paint The Fence" thread or whatever it was called?

Who needs this thread?

[Shin-Chan]

why create another one? i mean.... have something to do with the PTF stuff...

[Postman~730]

Might as well keep this one. Its the only one thats still been updated.

[Lionx]

I never practiced that much and i kept screwing up in training..but yesterday seemingly nowhere i got it all the way without screwing up(not perfect all hits with HP however) totally, its a few hits short of a perfect one but i got it down during a match in the arcade...it could be a fluke but since i got it down once...its only gonna go up with practice :3 Its a shocker though since i can never get it down before yet during a match i got it down when i was "in the zone" @_@;

[Postman~730]

Havent really been praticin', Im about to get a new Mini MAS, so once I get that, I'll be good to go.

[Sarda]

2 or 3 weeks, on a happ similar, practicing on a happ similar (i can only get happ through import)

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[taekwondonamja]

Took me about 6 months or so, I still cant do it on the left side, and about 30% of the time i dont conect the super combo at the end. Takes forever to get it perfect on both sides just, even kendevu messes up sometimes when hes on the right side and he's been do'n it sence 2002 so....... Just keep practicing.

[King Of Bums]

The pattern isn't that hard for M. bison (its a bit harder to do it with sakura imo). Just after the first :dp:, just keep doing :qcf: and press :p: at :df:. Since bison doesn't have a :qcf: move, it will still do the attack if you screw up, unlike sakura who will do her hado-spark

[toxic025]

took me a year to do it while still trying to perfects Sakuras

[Yos]

I got Bison perfectly within 4 days and Sakura perfectly in 2 weeks.