The Official Poker Thread

[PopTardO]

i just start getting into it and was wondwering if anyone have any tips for a noob

[9999]

I play online at www.pokerstars.net
Also go to the local casino now and then.
As for tips? Get some experience first I guess, figure out what cards you play, figure out the odds when the flop hits, etc. Honestly though, experience really helps. :tup:

[disturbed1]

poker rules on t.v., sucks that I don't have the free time to get good at it :<

[DEMON_JIM]

Yeah nothing really beats experience.

Get rid of any habits that could give you away while playing. I friend of mine had a very small grin that you could barely see when he played so you always new when he had a good hand.

Learn your strategies such as playing weak, bluffing well, how to intimidate, etc

Watch poker on tv to learn how pros play.

Know your lingo so you know what other players are talking about.

-DJ-

[platinum_pinoy]

Learning how to bluff is the hardest, at least for me. I am such a jew when it comes to betting.

[Slade555]

Jumping right in for experience is a good way to lose money. Just pick up a book or two, there are some really good ones out there. Then start playing and get the experience.

[PopTardO]

haha anyone of u guys like dress up, cover ur face or carry a lucky charm?

[KrassHole]

Don't listen to SRK's advice unless its coming from Viscant or rsigley.

[ckrazy]

just play online poker with fake money till u get good then home games with friends cause online poker is a lot different then the real thing when u start takin thier money u can go to poker rooms and try out there... if you fail well go prac some more if you win then good for you some extra change..

[Viscant]

http://viscant.blogspot.com/2005/03/getting-started-at-poker.html

Something I wrote a couple months ago on getting started at playing poker. If you learn nothing else from the post, make sure you buy Internet Texas Holdem by Matthew Hilger. That book is basically responsible for everything I've earned this year at poker and in whoring out affiliate stuff, which is between $12,000 and $20,000 for the year depending on how you work the numbers. That book works wonders.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[RetroKid]

Hey Viscant, how much does the government take out as tax for your winnings?

[Viscant]

Technically they should be getting somewhere between 25% and 33%. However that's only if I'm going to report all of it. It's ridiculously easy to conceal your winnings especially if you pay most of your major bills in cash like I do. I'll probably under-report this year by about 50%, so yeah.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[AdverseSolutions]

I like how Snyder's got his full name and location on a post talking about avoiding taxes LOLS

[Viscant]

Someone can mail the IRS a detailed listing of all my earnings and it won't mean a thing. Most people don't report any of their poker winnings at all. Since I haven't had a real job in months I have to report some of it just to justify how I'm paying for life.

Until the US decides to legalize online poker they will see only a fraction of the tax earnings they could make. It's just too easy to hide money right now.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

Viscant, which site do you play on?


I'm thinking of jumping in on internet poker (I've been playing live games for awhile now), but my friend has told me some pretty horrific stories of bad beats on partypoker.com


What do you suggest is a good site to start out on?

[opticallyinviz]

hey viscant, jsut wondering seeing as the cheques I would be sent are from voerseas. would they be telling the government how much it'd be/how would i conceal it

because i'm only up like 3000 now...so id like toa ctually get most of it

[Sweet Cheeba]

Truepoker sends their cheques from Cali, unless its over $1000 I believe, then it comes from the Cayman Islands

[Viscant]

For the month I've played at:

Party Network
Party Poker (www.partypoker.com)
Empire Poker (www.empirepoker.com)

Cryptologic/Wagerlogic Network
Poker Plex (www.pokerplex.com)
Will Hill (www.williamhillpoker.com)
Caribbean Sun (www.caribbeansunpoker.com)
Littlewoods (www.littlewoodspoker.com)
Interpoker (www.intercasinopoker.com)

Poker Room network
Poker Room (www.pokerroom.com)
Power Player (www.powerplayer.com)
Lucky River (www.luckyriverpoker.com)

Independent rooms

Absolute (www.absolutepoker.com)
Poker Stars (www.pokerstars.com)
Ultimate Bet (www.ultimatebet.com)
Pacific Poker (www.pacificpoker.com // www.888.com)
Paradise (www.paradisepoker.com)

As for which is best, that's a difficult question, since a lot of it depends on what you're looking for in a room. I can tell you that my personal favorite room to play at is Absolute, although that's a very unpopular opinion. Most people (in fact all SRKers I can think of) hate Absolute with a passion, but the room has always been good to me.
If you just want to start out and see if the online poker thing is for you, like I mentioned on my blog, I think you should go to Poker Stars or Ultimate Bet and start very small. Start with like $25-$50 and play the micro limits and just see what you think of playing online. Everyone loses at first. Everyone. Even if you're a good player and you own up home games and games in casinos. It's just not the same game online. So generally you want to start out at the lowest levels, confirm you're a winner at the lowest level, then move one level up. And just keep doing this, making sure to move down if you take a big hit somewhere along the way. A more detailed explanation of this is in the bankroll chapter of Internet Texas Hold'em by Matthew Hilger. Absolute must read.
If you don't want to risk any of your own money, do what I did to start out with. Go to Pacific Poker and open up a real money account and leave it alone. Don't log into it or anything. After a few days, they'll deposit $10 into your account and you can just try it out that way. That's how I got started playing online poker; I never deposited a cent of my own money.
Once you're up to a decent sum (about $500) you can start chasing bonuses. A good guide on where to go step by step can be found here:
http://www.bonuswhores.com/bonus-whoring-101.php



opticallyinviz:
I see that you're from Canada so I can't be too much help on this since I know less about Canadian law than I do about American law. I'll just tell you what I do personally. In America, banks don't report checks you cash under the sum of $10,000. Over that sum is considered suspicious behavior (thanks Patriot Act!) and they'll report you in which case the government will start to want it's cut.
What I do is, at the end of the month, I send a share of my money to Absolute Poker and have them mail me a check. I then cash the check and pay my bills with the cash. The remainder of the money I send through Neteller to my bank and this is the portion of income that I will be reporting to the government.


--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[UCRJesse]

Nam under jesse's handle...


I only play poker now to whore bonuses... Hell, thats what everybody should be doing...

But yea.. just remember that there are HELLA stupid people that play online...

I lost a pot in a 2-4 table coz some guy called my AK preflop to the river (he had 4 7 off suit, wasnt big blind).. Flop was A 4 9, river came up a 4.

Jay, you going to evo? We need to play poker. Fuck the games.

[donaldducktm]

wow thanks VIscant for sharing. i got a question...are you playing online poker for a living? if so, don't u think it's VERY hard to make a living on cards? anyways, KEEP DOING WHAT U DO BEST. PEACE

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

Did you raise with AK?

[UCRJesse]

Did you raise with AK?


of course. i raised after flop too.

[Viscant]

Yeah I'm playing basically for a living now. The reason I can do this is because I have very low expenses. I live with roommates and other than school tuition I don't have any obligatory expenses. Poker works for me because my expenses can basically be covered just by the bonuses (playing 15 rooms in a month will generate the bonus money). The money I actually make playing is almost just a side benefit at this point.

It is hard to make a living playing poker, which is why I tried to discourage people from doing it in the blog post that I made and linked a page ago. It can be a pretty good 2nd job though, since there are easily $1000-$1500 in bonuses out there for the taking every month.

And yeah, evo is all about the tables for me. I might play some CvS2 if I have time. The plan is to get Doyle Brunson to sign my ass and Annie Duke to sign my vest. That's hot.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[opticallyinviz]

haha i beat up brunson in a tournament earlier today

[donaldducktm]

i'm sorry but i'm a n00b at online poker. i'm deciding to play ONline poker at partypoker. what are BONUSES? is it money that i CAN'T LOSE? please explain. i'm looking to spend about $20...BTW i'm 19 years old

EDIT: how much do i deposit for Pacificpoker to get the free $10?

[Viscant]

For the Pacific free $10, you don't have to put any money in, just open a real money account and leave it alone for awhile. Come back in a week or so and they'll put money in for you. They just want you to get addicted. Cheap marketing ploy.

As for bonuses, here's a bonus that Party is offering right now.
http://www.partypoker.com/offers/deposit_25_150-bonusjun.htm
Like for example on this bonus, you can get up to 25% of your deposit in bonus money, up to $150. So deposit $600 to get the max bonus money. Now you have to play 7x raked hands to get the $150, so that's 1050 hands. After you finish all 1050, they give you the $150 and you can cash it out right away.

Most bonuses are done this way. Some exceptions. Most notable one is the Pacific $100 deposit bonus for $400 deposited is given to you instantly. So you can deposit $400, cash that out, then once the cashout clears you have $100 to play around with. You have to wager 20x (so $2000) before you can cash out the $100, but it at least gives you something decent to start out with if you don't want to risk any real money of your own.

Hope that helps, if any questions you know what to do.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[PopTardO]

just play poker on friday night, startign to get better, and loving it when u win some money and start pressuring others by raising 4x the check money

[tape]

Unless you're really good or really NOT GOOD in poker, don't try it.

I'll explain what I mean. If you're really good, naturally you can take advantage of the fish and other inexperienced players in the field, taking advantage of knowing the odds to easily win in the long run. They can outflop and river you all day, but if you make the right decisions, you will always wind up positive.

Now about being really NOT GOOD, that's just another way of me saying you have no ego. Realize you're not good, and you won't have the desire to move up too fast in limits, and go on tilt cause of "worse" players. If you have a ego, and think you're the shit in poker, have fun losing your bankroll. I'm not afraid to admit that I was one of those people a while back. I started playing last year, got real good in live poker in college and won a couple grand for the semester, and started online poker cause 2-3 hours a night wasn't enough for me. I lost quite a bit on Ultimatebet from going on tilt from worse players before I quit and just accepted I was bad at online poker. The things you have to realize:

*If you have no experience in poker, don't bother trying No Limit.
*Playing within your limit entails having a bankroll of AT LEAST 200 Big Bets to be safe, and thats if you're good. If you're just starting out, chances are you suck and don't have much experience, so 400 Big Bets is safer. So that pretty much limits you to penny tables unless you deposit 200-400 at once, which most people do not do on their first time.
*You can't bitch about bad beats and console yourself. They will not cause you to lose money in the longrun; your bad beats along with your bad decisions cause you to lose money.
*AA does not BEAT JJ/QQ/KK/22 preflop. It loses one out of four times. (addendum to above heh)
*YOU MUST READ BOOKS AND ARTICLES IF YOU WANT TO WIN

Those are just warnings to anybody that wants to try. Now for the good news...ever since I got out of college and focused much more online since no live games are around anymore I turned 50 bucks into 600 or so in a few weeks :). I think I've gotten the hang of it now, and play much more mechanically, but it's rough mentally. If you still wanna get into it, feel free to PM me for advice on lower limits and building your bankroll up to a decent size.

[NewGen]

eh poker's fun. but the scene is kind of changing. everyone's trying to be a good play reading all the books and magazines and articles nowadays. so your regular newbie now is one to your trips if the board has paired on the flop, thus he'll check it to you on the turn.

anyways, poker is fun and challenging when you're playing against people who're paying attention to the game and it becomes more of a mental game, cause the cards don't matter as much at that point.

[tape]

After a year or two when people who play poker know all the facts, its gonna be pretty boring. Cards WILL matter more when people get better. And online, its all about the cards.

[thurst]

:u: it's good to see ho cho posting in GD

[donaldducktm]

thanks Viscant

[Vic Viper]

Time to bump this.

Just wondering if anyone just saw World Poker Tour tonight? Some guy almost player every starting hand at the final table, good and bad, and managed to knock out everyone in a row.

Watching all those bad beats remind me of this guy:

http://www.planetstacked.com/fillmaff/

[donaldducktm]

i have a poker tournament in 3 hours...anybody have tips in winning a No-Limit Holdem TOURNAMENT?

[PopTardO]

i got jew by triple 5 yesterday on the fuckin flop....so gay

[Strider Hiryu]

i have a poker tournament in 3 hours...anybody have tips in winning a No-Limit Holdem TOURNAMENT?
Ucrollerblader seyz-
For the first hour of the tournament, don't play anything but jj/qq/kk/aa and ak. Always raise with them preflop to about 4-5 times the size of the big blind. After you get that far you can play normally and it should be cakey

[UCRJesse]

***** Hand History for Game 2260181649 *****
devodj finished in eighth place.
thecake73 finished in seventh place.
50/100 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13389363) - Sat Jun 25 06:49:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 35270 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: buddah7 (3295)
Seat 2: todox (365)
Seat 3: osagat (2385)
Seat 4: bcgirls (200)
Seat 6: survjim11 (1235)
Seat 7: Laelia (520)
osagat posts small blind (25)
bcgirls posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to osagat [ Th, 8c ]
survjim11 calls (50)
Laelia folds.
buddah7 raises (100) to 100
todox calls (100)
osagat folds.
bcgirls calls (50)
survjim11 calls (50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, 4d, 4c ]
bcgirls bets (100)
bcgirls is all-In.
survjim11 calls (100)
buddah7 raises (300) to 300
todox calls (265)
todox is all-In.
survjim11 calls (200)
Creating Main Pot with $825 with bcgirls
Creating Side Pot 1 with $495 with todox
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5h ]
survjim11 checks.
buddah7 bets (650)
survjim11 raises (835) to 835
survjim11 is all-In.
buddah7 calls (185)
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
Creating Side Pot 2 with $1740 with survjim11
** Summary **
Main Pot: 825 | Side Pot 1: 495 | Side Pot 2: 1740 |
Board: [ 4s 4d 4c 5h 5c ]
buddah7 balance 5120, bet 1235, collected 3060, net +1825 [ 5d 5s ] [ four of a kind, fives -- 5d,5s,5h,5c,4s ]
todox balance 0, lost 365 [ Kd Qc ] [ a full house, Fours full of fives -- 5h,5c,4s,4d,4c ]
osagat balance 2360, lost 25 (folded)
bcgirls balance 0, lost 200 [ Ad 9d ] [ a full house, Fours full of fives -- 5h,5c,4s,4d,4c ]
survjim11 balance 0, lost 1235 [ Ah 4h ] [ four of a kind, fours -- Ah,4h,4s,4d,4c ]
Laelia balance 520, didn't bet (folded)

EDIT: After showing this hand to LB, instead of commenting on the unlikelihood of running 5's, he says "wow those idiots called with k/q and a/9"

[donaldducktm]

wow what idiots for calling with those hands...

anyway, i got 5th place out of 30. the whole time i was playing with cards that add up to 20 (10+) and i did pretty good. i won pots with Aces, kings, and Jacks...but the whole entire time, i was beat....raising...re-raising...i knew they were gonna do that, but i was hoping they were gonnd do that again so i could bust them. i did that a couple times...worked out like a charm.

then the blinds start raising and tables are coming together now. the blinds go up. i've been getting crappy hands and my stack went down little by little. sadly i tried bluffing, but i bluffed at the wrong time...i had Q J and the flop comes down 9 8 3. 2 people checked, i went all in and 1 guy called...he had 9 3. (BTW, I RAISED 3 bets from the blinds and he fucking called it) FUCK! anyways...i guess what i learned was i should've been more patient and looked at another hand...

Tips: DO NOT GO ALL IN UNLESS U HAVE SOMETHING

[Hoonyo]

2+2 forums is the new srk

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/ubbthreads.php

[UCRJesse]

Ok since you guys don't seem to understand....

somone flopped quad 4's
turn 5
river 5
quad 4's get beat by quad 5's

[thurst]

*shrug* shit happens

[donaldducktm]

my bad. i read the stuff after it said "four full of fives, four full of fives." damn that's some rigged shit right there

[Viscant]

2+2 is exactly like SRK, only a couple years ago.
Basically that forum is at that stage in it's development where the noise-to-information ratio is just about to hit the breaking point. There are a lot of really good posts there and the important posters (Malmuth/Sklansky, etc) still post from time to time. But the new wave of morons and idiots are starting to take over a bit. Also that forum is remarkably rude. If you don't fit with their particular ideology on something, they just go out of their way to be asses.
So yeah, it's basically exactly like SRK. I read the posts there, but it's primarily useful for identifying people. When I know that I have a "brown trout" at my table, I basically try to run them over. Most 2+2ers are weak-tight at the tables, especially if you mention that you're a trout also. They try not to make any mistakes which translates most often into weak-tight play. Probably my favorite hunting trick these days.

And yeah, I agree with LB. The best part of that hand is that A9 and KQ called. LOL

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[N-Ken]

And yeah, I agree with Nam. The best part of that hand is that A9 and KQ called. LOL

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

They were both short stacked, if you play online poker and you even think twice about someone making those calls, you need to pay more attention. A9 really wasnt THAT bad of a play.

[rsigley]

a9 suited - i mean is that really his fault? first to act, no chips, figuring no one hit that flop (you really gonna put someone on a 4 who was in for 2 before the flop? maybe a pocket pair but if you get someone heads up you still have outs) it's prolly a good situation for him to bet and hope a) everyone folds(not really likely since it's only 100 more, but i seen people fold to min bets in a pot 20x the min bet on the river) b) no one got a piece of that and either gets someone heads up or a A or 9 falls giving him 4 full of A or someone calls just bc it's so cheap and he wins with A high, don't think he/she really thought everyone else would call.

from the big blind with a min raise and 4 people in why wouldn't you call with A9 suited? it's not really as bad as you made it out to be. maybe in a ring game you'd check (or bet and see if you get raised where you could fold) and see what happens, but tournaments are different than ring games.

if you're following the whole pot odds idea (which i don't think holds for tournaments - cash games yes, but not tournaments), it makes sense for him to make the call for only 50 more with a9 suited

if he doesn't call then he's left with 150 chips and the SB coming to him, he had a chance to almost quadruple up here, good risk IMO

i guess the only thing maybe the A9 shoulda done was just move all in there, since calling you're pretty commited right there, if he folds he only has 100 chips left and the SB coming to him.
the KQ was stupid IMO tho, got a bet and a raise in front of you, and you got none of that flop, might as well fold

[Viscant]

The mistakes they both made is in terms of aggressiveness. When you're that shortstacked (usually the definition is less than 10xBB), you have two choices.
--All-in
--Fold
That's it. To be fair to A9 guy, he probably was going to get screwed in this hand. With that hand on BB, you're going all in and even though you have the A4 guy dominated, he's probably going to call. It's not AS BAD a mistake, but still a mistake.
The KQ guy was pretty dumb though. It's either all-in or fold and in a multi-way pot with a "please call me" raise in front, he has no business being in that hand and if he WAS going to get in that hand, it should have been all-in, not calling his chips away.

That's the mistake there and why it's funny.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[KrassHole]

So I'm playing 1 / 2


I have KQ flop top 2 pair. I'm betting it all the way and this maniac is calling. a 10 comes on the river and this douche bag has AJ for the straight.

I can't believe some of this bullshit. who the fuck calls raises and re-raises with an inside draw.

[tape]

Hey rob it's me drew...the one who plays marvel at rutgers :P

I didn't know you played that much poker, or else I would've called you for some games. Did you graduate yet?

[rsigley]

I disagree, but it doesn't really matter. I just think it's too hard to judge some guys move as stupid off of one hand late in a tournament.

Maybe he thought he could get the guys to fold if he fired after the flop because they were weak-tight or whatever?
Maybe he just wanted to see a flop and thought that was a good one?
Maybe he just fucked up?

Who knows, it's really hard to tell from just one hand.

Luckily everyone here makes the best decision at any given time so no one will ever have to question your actions. Then if it doesn't turn out you can always be like well i was a 51.57% favorite pre flop then when it didn't come my way I was still getting great implied reverse pot odds to call so i had to because mathematically it was correct even though i knew i was beat

There's too many variables to take account that you're not aware of to criticize the guys play.


oh hey drew i don't really play poker, but i graduated in 2003 haha i work full time at rutgers. i'll play with you sometime if you want but i'm not a fan of hold 'em but i'll play anyway

[tape]

So I'm playing 1 / 2


I have KQ flop top 2 pair. I'm betting it all the way and this maniac is calling. a 10 comes on the river and this douche bag has AJ for the straight.

I can't believe some of this bullshit. who the fuck calls raises and re-raises with an inside draw.

If it's a big multiway pot, he might actually be correct to call you depending on how many people, preflop raises etc.

Say 3 people are in the pot and he raises preflop. There are 3 dollars in the pot, if you didn't reraise him, there's no reason to put you on AK or AQ, so he figures he has two cards he can catch to win the pot: an ace for the lead, and a 10 for the absolute nuts. Now on the flop if you bet and the other person calls, he's getting 1:5 on his money, which is more than enough to call with two cards to catch. If it's headsup, he's getting 1:4 which is still enough.

Now onto the turn, this is where it's most important. If even ONE other person is in the pot with you two, then he gets over 1:5 odds on his money, which means he only has to win 20% of the time to make this a profitable call. However in reality he only has 1:10 shot of hitting it, but in his mind hitting an ace is probably still good. That makes it close to a 3:10 shot with 1:5 odds, so he would in fact be correct, only you have two pair and not one pair, so bad luck for you and good luck for him.

If there were constant reraising, he should know even hitting an ace isn't good, but depending on his position he could have been making the right call still. For example, he called the flop, and you slowplay til the turn. You bet, he calls, then person behind reraises, you call, and it's up to him. Though he knows he's horribly beat, the action put so much money in the pot that he is probably getting that 1:10 he needs. He also gets huge implied odds, since he is drawing to the absolute nuts. If he DOES hit it, most likely he could check-raise or just straight up raise both of you and gain an additional 4 bets.

Sometimes it's not that simple to just bet when you have the best hand. You might have to win smalller pots, and maximize the number of pots you can win. Like hitting a ragged flop and checking and hoping someone raises so you can reraise right behind him, and make it wrong for your other opponents to call, contrary to most popular belief that you should pump the pot as much as possible whenever you have the slightest edge.

[KrassHole]

If it's a big multiway pot, he might actually be correct to call you depending on how many people, preflop raises etc.

Say 3 people are in the pot and he raises preflop. There are 3 dollars in the pot, if you didn't reraise him, there's no reason to put you on AK or AQ, so he figures he has two cards he can catch to win the pot: an ace for the lead, and a 10 for the absolute nuts. Now on the flop if you bet and the other person calls, he's getting 1:5 on his money, which is more than enough to call with two cards to catch. If it's headsup, he's getting 1:4 which is still enough.

Now onto the turn, this is where it's most important. If even ONE other person is in the pot with you two, then he gets over 1:5 odds on his money, which means he only has to win 20% of the time to make this a profitable call. However in reality he only has 1:10 shot of hitting it, but in his mind hitting an ace is probably still good. That makes it close to a 3:10 shot with 1:5 odds, so he would in fact be correct, only you have two pair and not one pair, so bad luck for you and good luck for him.

If there were constant reraising, he should know even hitting an ace isn't good, but depending on his position he could have been making the right call still. For example, he called the flop, and you slowplay til the turn. You bet, he calls, then person behind reraises, you call, and it's up to him. Though he knows he's horribly beat, the action put so much money in the pot that he is probably getting that 1:10 he needs. He also gets huge implied odds, since he is drawing to the absolute nuts. If he DOES hit it, most likely he could check-raise or just straight up raise both of you and gain an additional 4 bets.

Sometimes it's not that simple to just bet when you have the best hand. You might have to win smalller pots, and maximize the number of pots you can win. Like hitting a ragged flop and checking and hoping someone raises so you can reraise right behind him, and make it wrong for your other opponents to call, contrary to most popular belief that you should pump the pot as much as possible whenever you have the slightest edge.



You're an idiot.

[tape]

Doh, I thought the mathematical approach was a good one to poker :(

Btw you asked what kind of idiot would call...and I gave you a couple scenarios where he would be playing "correct" poker. No need to PMS on me cause u lost a pot.

[UCRJesse]

2+2 is exactly like SRK, only a couple years ago.
Basically that forum is at that stage in it's development where the noise-to-information ratio is just about to hit the breaking point. There are a lot of really good posts there and the important posters (Malmuth/Sklansky, etc) still post from time to time. But the new wave of morons and idiots are starting to take over a bit. Also that forum is remarkably rude. If you don't fit with their particular ideology on something, they just go out of their way to be asses.
So yeah, it's basically exactly like SRK. I read the posts there, but it's primarily useful for identifying people. When I know that I have a "brown trout" at my table, I basically try to run them over. Most 2+2ers are weak-tight at the tables, especially if you mention that you're a trout also. They try not to make any mistakes which translates most often into weak-tight play. Probably my favorite hunting trick these days.

And yeah, I agree with LB. The best part of that hand is that A9 and KQ called. LOL

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

Just to clarify, this is a 5 dollar sng. They are bad players, they happened to push in with overcards thinking they could catch and make the best hand.

[margalis]

Nice, SRK crybabies whining about bad beats. Grow up, it happens. Crying about bead beats is a sure way to suck at poker for life. Poker is like a lot of things in that just playing will only improve you marginally. Playing and thinking is what makes you better.

What kind of an idiot calls big raises or caps betting with KQ? The kind of idiot you want at your table.

The number 1 mistake bad poker players make is complaining about bad poker players. As if playing really good players would somehow be easier. If you can't beat internet scrubs that call with 2 outers you sure as hell aren't going to beat someone who knows what they are doing. People who think they are good but are just constantly sucked out on are fooling themselves. If you are good and playing low limits you WILL get constantly sucked out on but you should also be winning.

Spend a weekend at a casino and you will see a hundred plays that make no sense. It's ordinary, nothing to get excited about. Someone will play 33 and hit a 3 on the river after calling 3 bets on the flop and turn. It happens. Them missing is what makes you most of your money.

[Sdouble]

margalis is so right it is a part of the game. esp no limit hold em.

u want them to beat u in a bad way way more than in out playing. everyone should def. go to cardplayer.com and read all the articles, read as many books as u can. esp hole em' poker for advanced players by david sklansky and mason malmuth.

[TheWholeFnShow]

Nice, SRK crybabies whining about bad beats. Grow up, it happens. Crying about bead beats is a sure way to suck at poker for life. Poker is like a lot of things in that just playing will only improve you marginally. Playing and thinking is what makes you better.

What kind of an idiot calls big raises or caps betting with KQ? The kind of idiot you want at your table.

The number 1 mistake bad poker players make is complaining about bad poker players. As if playing really good players would somehow be easier. If you can't beat internet scrubs that call with 2 outers you sure as hell aren't going to beat someone who knows what they are doing. People who think they are good but are just constantly sucked out on are fooling themselves. If you are good and playing low limits you WILL get constantly sucked out on but you should also be winning.



I agree. :tup:

Quick question for anyone that'll answer: What do you guys think of Mike Caro's book on poker tells. I read some of it a while back and it's pretty intersting. I applied some of it at casinos, homegames, and to myself, and wow, he's right on most occasions.

[donaldducktm]

I agree. :tup:

Quick question for anyone that'll answer: What do you guys think of Mike Caro's book on poker tells. I read some of it a while back and it's pretty intersting. I applied some of it at casinos, homegames, and to myself, and wow, he's right on most occasions.
hey thanks for the look-out =D

does anybody recommend any books? i read Phil Hellmuth's HoldEm Tips book and it helped my game just a bit. but he didn't explain how to play hands like Q 10, K 9, K 10, Q J, etc. i want to know MORE! RECOMMEND ME =D

hey viscant, do u answer ur emails?

BTW, how can i get PARTY POINTS from Party Poker.com? i wanted to join a free tournament, but i can't seem to do it...help??

[Sdouble]

viscant:

u seem to know a good deal so i wanted to ask u about my plans and get an opinion. I love poker alot and i'm going to be a dealer in a casino for a while in hopefully like under 2 years. Is this a good idea, i figure i can see like so many extra hands and get payed for it. i'm pretty good at hold em l/nl,7 stud, and esp. omaha. i feel confident but i do know that poker is a hard way to make a easy living.
so is being a dealer a good idea or should i go with another job that will be more money for my bank roll but less exp. at cards. oh and also who do ya think is the best player tournament wise and cash game wise? just curious.

wholef'n show
caro is the mad genius for a reason, but against good players u have to apply and un apply things that seem obvious, u have to understand fake tells to really know tells, but also rem. those are jsut generalizations. some people get nervous on a big hand instead of a bluff, etc. or talk when they have dif. holdings. that's what makes poker an art form. also read zen and the art of poker it will make u calmer and more astute to goings on at the table, which is what it's all about:
patience, paying attention, and good decision making based on information. good luck

[Viscant]

Caro's book is good. I wouldn't buy it, I'd go to a bookstore and just flip through it. A lot of it is super common sense, some of it is hella useful though. One of his tells about the guy who pretends like he's going to beat you into the pot and call your bet on the river. He's really only 50/50 on calling. If you bet confidently while his hand is over the pot, he'll pull it back and fold a lot. Also a lot of his weak=strong and strong=weak is 100% right on low limit players. Another winner I remember was, when the board comes out all of 1 suit and the guy checks his hole cards, he wants to see if he's got a high card to draw to. When he doesn't look, he probably has it. That's because you usually remember your suit if you're suited. If he has to look again, he's 90% off suited. Sounds stupid but it's spot on in the games I've played.
The most important thing you'd probably take away from the book is controlling your tells. As an internet player I never realized I had tells like this until someone pulled me aside at the casino and told me about it. My huge huge tell for awhile was when I have a good hand live, I start stacking my chips into bet sizes. Or like if I hit the flop, I'd start parcelling out sets of 3s or 6s or whatever. I had no idea I did it but apparently I did. Thanks to random drunk guy for telling me I guess. Caro's book taught me to put my bets out exactly the same way, take exactly the same amount of time, watch other people on the flop and not the cards and not talk. Those are the easiest giveaways. I'm sure I'm still an easy read for a pro, but I've improved significantly against the typical morons.

Hilger's book is still the best poker book for my money though. Worth it's weight in gold.

And yes I answer email.

EDIT:
Being a dealer is a good job, if you can take the abuse. People are hella asses to dealers. You can expect to make good money through tips and you get to watch a lot of poker if that's your thing. At the local casino all the dealers are players and they usually sit down at the table after they finish their shift. Strangely enough, most dealers are action junkies and lousy players. I have no idea why. Some dealers go on to become great players. Scott Fischman or however you spell it was one example.
Best tournament player is probably Daniel Negreanu at least lately. He's had a lousy world series but after his last year, he has a free pass this year. A lot of his ideas about drawing with poor odds and tournament metagame strategy are really interesting to me. I also have a lot of respect for Dan Harrington and loved his book(s). Great read.
Best cash game player? I honestly don't know enough. I've never actually watched many of the big cash games live. I can tell you that Hellmuth is awful in cash games. He routinely gets raped on Ultimate Bet. He's usually the biggest fish at the table when he sits down in the big cash games there. I have no idea how he can afford to keep playing those. It's not uncommon to see him drop 10, 20 grand in a night. Since I don't know who's really good other than what I've been told, I'll go with Chip Reese or Doyle. They seem to have good reputations. But honestly I don't know enough to say for sure.


--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[N-Ken]

viscant:

u seem to know a good deal so i wanted to ask u about my plans and get an opinion. I love poker alot and i'm going to be a dealer in a casino for a while in hopefully like under 2 years. Is this a good idea, i figure i can see like so many extra hands and get payed for it. i'm pretty good at hold em l/nl,7 stud, and esp. omaha. i feel confident but i do know that poker is a hard way to make a easy living.
so is being a dealer a good idea or should i go with another job that will be more money for my bank roll but less exp. at cards. oh and also who do ya think is the best player tournament wise and cash game wise? just curious.


Viscant isnt good at poker, he's good at online limit poker and good at reaping bonus rewards, dont be fooled...

[Viscant]

N-Ken is right. I'm really not that great a player. I can think of at least 5-10 SRKers who are far better than me. I can figure out how to squeeze decent money out of the game, but that's more guile than skill. Bonus offers, prop play, affiliate marketing, etc. As of the beginning of this month, I made an almost equal amount in bonus money as I did from actually playing the game for the year. I've probably made at least double that in affiliate money. Prop payments, referrals, rakeback, etc all have contributed.
So yeah, the amount of money off poker that I've made by actually playing and winning at poker is probably about 1/5 of what the bottom line says. Viva e-commerce.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[duhaas21]

You're an idiot.
What idiot calls with just 2 pair? I'm no pro, but I ussually note that 2 pair is almost always overplayed by inexperienced players. 2 pair is good, but it can be beat... many ways.

[SvN]

Hey viscant, do you ever play at any of the local san diego casinos? I go to viejas/barona/sycuan like 4 times a week and dominate the 4-8 8-16 games. Once a month ill play 15-30 on saturday at viejas but my bankroll is not large enough yet for that game.

And yeah, online is cool for the bonuses and smaller rake but its a pain in the ass to deposit and withdraw your money and i really dont like my money being tied up for a week. Casinos are a much more fun and exciting atmosphere and whatever you win can be taken home right away. Plus there is always a chance for a bad beat jackpot/

[TheWholeFnShow]

Also a lot of his weak=strong and strong=weak is 100% right on low limit players. Another winner I remember was, when the board comes out all of 1 suit and the guy checks his hole cards, he wants to see if he's got a high card to draw to. When he doesn't look, he probably has it. That's because you usually remember your suit if you're suited. If he has to look again, he's 90% off suited. Sounds stupid but it's spot on in the games I've played.


--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

Hot damn, those were the tells that really stood for me too. The suited flop tip became really useful.

Anyone here gonna try to get in the WSOP? :karate:

[KrassHole]

What idiot calls with just 2 pair? I'm no pro, but I ussually note that 2 pair is almost always overplayed by inexperienced players. 2 pair is good, but it can be beat... many ways.


Never post in this thread again. Seriously dont. If you think Top 2 pair is a shitty hand then you and me should sit down and play each other for $1000.

[tape]

Top two is very strong but your bad beat story shows you're not very good.

[UCRJesse]

i had a fun hand today.
raise preflop with kk, 2 callers
flop 9/4/2 bet 1 calls 1 passes
turn 9 bet he calls
river k bet he raises and we reraise till i've stuck 30 bucks in there in a small 1/2 limit game

or course he has to turn over 99, yay

[KrassHole]

Top two is very strong but your bad beat story shows you're not very good.



Explain how you force someone out of a hand in LIMIT poker you fucking moron.

[SvN]

Explain how you force someone out of a hand in LIMIT poker you fucking moron.


There are numerous ways to force opponents out of hands in limit poker. :xeye:


If you flop two pair and are first to act with 1-3 people behind you it is almost always better to check, hope someone bets and then reraise to narrow the field and you could probably get the gutshot/bottom pair/backdoor draw hand out of the pot. If it gets checked around, not only do you know that your hand is probably good, it gives you and chance on the turn to bet for the higher amount and make people make a worse call by having to call a big bet for their weak draws. If that person still calls you with a gutshot and hits his miracle card just be happy that he made a poor play that will cost him and ultimately make you more money is the long run(if you play with that person for awhile).

[donaldducktm]

SvN damn ur pretty brave to sit on those kinds of tables. ur prolly rich as hell =|

i've been to a casino only ONCE. it was at Sycuan and i got punked by people who had loads of chips. that was my 3rd month of playing poker since i started. now it's the 5th month and i'm trying to catch on.

how do u control ur bankroll with those kinds of blinds???

[f_man]

I agree. :tup:

Quick question for anyone that'll answer: What do you guys think of Mike Caro's book on poker tells. I read some of it a while back and it's pretty intersting. I applied some of it at casinos, homegames, and to myself, and wow, he's right on most occasions.

that book has some pretty funny looking tells.

"Exhibit A: Man in cowboy hat picks nose, right nostril with left handfinger. 90% chance holding premium hand."

andy what books you got? im willing to swap. the harrington on holdem series has gotta be the best tourney reading ive come across so far.

[nasir]

Explain how you force someone out of a hand in LIMIT poker you fucking moron.


i'm actually willing to bet that tape would beat you in a headsup game :)

you up for it mr.gambler? :tup:

[Serpent]

i'm actually willing to bet that tape would beat you in a headsup game :)

you up for it mr.gambler? :tup:

I think so too.

[KrassHole]

i'm actually willing to bet that tape would beat you in a headsup game :)

you up for it mr.gambler? :tup:

Ya lets bet on things that will never happen.

[nasir]

Ya lets bet on things that will never happen.


Why won't it ever happen? I hear there's this new thing called internet poker.......

[KrassHole]

Why won't it ever happen? I hear there's this new thing called internet poker.......


Im playing at tiger gaming right now Username HeyMrJack


I'm not gonna waste time looking for some jackass on srk. Now if you'd mind your own business, I'll kindly thank you and tell you to shut the fuck up. And tape still hasnt asnwered my question on how you force out people in LIMIT poker,

[tape]

I've told you, and someone else has said it, sometimes you have to check and hope someone raises bhined you so you can reraise to limit the field. Sneaky and subtle plays along with luck are required to win the pot many times.

You're right that in limit poker it's hard to force someone out of the pot, especially a moron, but you have to try to make it as incorrect as possible for him to do so. In this situation, it's highly likely he should have called even if he KNEW you had KQ just because of the pot odds. You ridiculing him for a call that wasn't even too bad shows you're not a very good player.

[KrassHole]

I've told you, and someone else has said it, sometimes you have to check and hope someone raises bhined you so you can reraise to limit the field. Sneaky and subtle plays along with luck are required to win the pot many times.

You're right that in limit poker it's hard to force someone out of the pot, especially a moron, but you have to try to make it as incorrect as possible for him to do so. In this situation, it's highly likely he should have called even if he KNEW you had KQ just because of the pot odds. You ridiculing him for a call that wasn't even too bad shows you're not a very good player.


How is it the right call when he had 4 outs in thedeck assuming no one folded a 10 ??

There is no justification for stupidity.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

I've been playing a ton of PLO lately, but even after reading Berman's section on SS2, I haven't been gettin good results. I know there's no absolutes, but I find myself hitting a ton of two pair and forced with awful decisions. When the board has 2 suits or 2 high connectors, should I be hoping to hit the boat or just fold? I'll give a couple hands later.

Also, what other hands should be raised besides A-A-any pocket pair double suited?

[tape]

You have to tell me exactly how many people are in the pot, suits, raises preflop and flop, turn raises and reraises before you can say whether he's right or wrong.

Like I've said, he might have thought hitting an Ace would be good, which means he assumed he had 8 outs. That's not a very bad assumption if there was no preflop reraises, as is norm for AK AQ. If theres no crazy action on the flop theres no reason to assume you have two pair, and trying to make a read online is pretty much impossible. Action dictates your hand.

[tape]

I've been playing a ton of PLO lately, but even after reading Berman's section on SS2, I haven't been gettin good results. I know there's no absolutes, but I find myself hitting a ton of two pair and forced with awful decisions. When the board has 2 suits or 2 high connectors, should I be hoping to hit the boat or just fold? I'll give a couple hands later.

Also, what other hands should be raised besides A-A-any pocket pair double suited?

Berman's section in SS2 is actually quite good, I'm surprised you're not a winning player if you followed exactly what he said. PLO is really a by-the-book game. As in, almost impossible to read your opponent, especially online, and action dictating how strong their bet is. Two pair is not very strong, and heads up it might hold up. In general if there's double suited or straight cards out there, two pair is the underdog in the hand. He could have a nice straight/flush draw along with a high pocket pair in his hand, giving him enormous amounts of odds.

In regular PLO, raises are generally made with AAXX, KKXX, hands like 5678 double suited, 10JQK, etc. The strongest hands are those that easily make the nuts. Like J10, KQ, where if you make your hand, it is almost always the nuts. Don't overvalue sets, don't overvalue non-nut straights. You can look up the 21 point system to decide which hands to play/raise with. Sklansky I believe developed a system where you add and substract points based on suits, straight gappers, pocket pairs, etc in your hand and only hands that meet certain point criteria are raisable/playable.

[KrassHole]

You have to tell me exactly how many people are in the pot, suits, raises preflop and flop, turn raises and reraises before you can say whether he's right or wrong.

Like I've said, he might have thought hitting an Ace would be good, which means he assumed he had 8 outs. That's not a very bad assumption if there was no preflop reraises, as is norm for AK AQ. If theres no crazy action on the flop theres no reason to assume you have two pair, and trying to make a read online is pretty much impossible. Action dictates your hand.


There was one other person in the pot who folded after the turn when I raised his bet and the guy with the draw called $4. I dont remember the suits but I know the KQ on the board was suited. I know about pot odds and all that shit, so don't patronize me like I don't know what I'm talking about. The pot odds said that this fucker should have folded. The only reason the pot was so big is because he raised and i re-raised then I called after the river.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

maybe he had implied odds :)

[nasir]

I've been playing a ton of PLO lately, but even after reading Berman's section on SS2, I haven't been gettin good results. I know there's no absolutes, but I find myself hitting a ton of two pair and forced with awful decisions. When the board has 2 suits or 2 high connectors, should I be hoping to hit the boat or just fold? I'll give a couple hands later.

Also, what other hands should be raised besides A-A-any pocket pair double suited?


are you playing PLO or PLO/8? Play style is quite different for these games.. if you are play /8, i know yumi saotome plays alot of it, i've been playing alot of omaha lately, i prefer it to hold'em really.

for PLO, depends on how many people are at your table, for a full table, you only really can play premium hands, for short handed, you can play a little more loose. But assuming tables are full, try to play hands that are double suited, have combinations of suited and connectors, or high pairs. As always, there is no hard and fast rule, alot depends on your opponents and position,etc.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Regular PLO, I haven't trie dthe split games yet. Is there anything I coulda done about this? Im thinking I should've checked on the river, but I couldn't fold on the min re-raise...also, should I expect people to call raises with those kinda hands (A-Q-6-7)?

Transcript for your last 5 games requested by tb17 (t.bauza17@gmail.com)
*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #1985171133: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/06/27 - 17:59:02 (ET)
Table 'Anhui' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: SilentAcorns ($1.80 in chips)
Seat 3: SacramentoCA ($18.80 in chips)
Seat 4: DUPPY ($17.20 in chips)
Seat 5: tb17 ($42.90 in chips)
Seat 7: jleech ($49.35 in chips)
Seat 8: shadeizatool ($50.85 in chips)
Seat 9: blueberry ($63.50 in chips)
Da rat11 has returned
blueberry: posts small blind $0.10
SilentAcorns: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [9s Ad 9h As]
SacramentoCA: folds
DUPPY: folds
tb17: raises $0.60 to $0.85
jleech: folds
shadeizatool: calls $0.85
blueberry: calls $0.75
SilentAcorns: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc Qh 7h]
blueberry: checks
tb17: checks
shadeizatool: bets $1
blueberry: folds
tb17: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Qc Qh 7h] [8s]
tb17: checks
shadeizatool: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qc Qh 7h 8s] [2c]
tb17: bets $4.60
shadeizatool: raises $4.60 to $9.20
tb17: calls $4.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shadeizatool: shows [6s 7d Qs Ac] (a full house, Queens full of Sevens)
tb17: mucks hand
shadeizatool collected $22.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $23.20 | Rake $1.15
Board [Qc Qh 7h 8s 2c]
Seat 1: SilentAcorns (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: SacramentoCA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DUPPY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tb17 mucked [9s Ad 9h As]
Seat 7: jleech folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: shadeizatool (button) showed [6s 7d Qs Ac] and won ($22.05) with a full house, Queens full of Sevens
Seat 9: blueberry (small blind) folded on the Flop

[margalis]

There is no way I'm betting 4.60 on what you had there, and no way I'm calling another 4.60 after that. Maybe I would bet $2 and be prepared to fold to a raise. You had a good hand but you missed completely.

Actually I would have played the entire hand differently. I would have bet the flop. If I get raised there I fold. If I get called there I get suspicious. bet enough to force out a heart draw. If they call I probably bet a very minimal amount on the turn but I'm basically done with the hand.

Edit: Look at it this way - playing .10/.25 you lost a $22 pot with 2 pair when the board was paired. Don't put yourself in that position.

At .10/.25 pot limit you should expect people to call with basically anything. From his perspective he has 67 connectors and AQ connectors, as well as a queen high flush draw. A good way to play Omaha is to look for excuses to fold, but most people look for excuses to call.

Raising before the flop was right. It just didn't work out. Make a big enough bet to chase out a flush but after that the hand is over. If the board is paired and you don't have any part of it you are probably behind. The way you make money is on hands where you have the Q7 and the other guy has 77. Big hand over big hand - lose the small pots and win the big ones.

About bankroll management: Bankroll management is the same at all levels. You just have to have enough money. When you move up in limits, make sure you have enough, and if you start doing poorly move back down. Managing your bankroll at .5/.10 is the same as at 100/200.

[N-Ken]

That was pretty poorly played, in that you barely had anything at the end and it seems you really overvalued your hand.

[BananaWeed]

Anyone ever cry themselves to sleep after a bad beat?
I've only play on pokerroom.com so far, and the flops there are insane. Rivers are rediculous too.

I think I should quit for a bit. Maybe I'll start again next month.

[LimeGreenPatato]

I played my first poker tounry today online. Finished 97th out of 539...i could have went longer but i got called on a bluff when i was all in.

I could have had a quad kill though...4 people went all in with A,J/A,K/A,J/AQ and nothing came up....i would have beat them with my pair of 8s.

[Captain Ryu]

Yeah baby just won 1300 by getting first in a poker tourney. I'm happy :tup:

[SvN]

SvN damn ur pretty brave to sit on those kinds of tables. ur prolly rich as hell =|

i've been to a casino only ONCE. it was at Sycuan and i got punked by people who had loads of chips. that was my 3rd month of playing poker since i started. now it's the 5th month and i'm trying to catch on.

how do u control ur bankroll with those kinds of blinds???



No im not rich im quite poor i just worked my way up. When i first moved to sd from new jersey i was going into the casinos(sycuan/viejas) with a fake id.( i was 17) I was kind of nervous cuz of my age and being in a casino. I went broke a lot playing 1-2 nl and 3-6 limit. Then about 6 months ago my game reached a point where i was just destroying 3-6 games 5 days a week. I studied a lot and really focused on the game. I then stepped up to 4-8 and did well. Got my roll up to like 2500 for poker. Then i got a job at Seaworld(still work there), to take care of my living expenses and not have to touch my poker roll. It is much easier to play and focus when you know there is a paycheck to look forward to. Managing bankroll was extremely difficult for me when i started out. Just be sure to always keep a notebook of your wins/losses and how much you played,limit/location etc.It has helped me to improve a LOT. One thing to be careful of is that young players are very susceptible to TILT!. Once you can overcome that and maintain your peak level of play through highs and lows you will do great because i believe the cards always turn even. As of right now i play 2-3 days a week depending on my days off. I average about 500-600 weekly playing mostly 4-8 and sometimes 8-16 when available. Yesterday(sunday) and today i played at sycuan and did very well. Won 400 on sun in a little 3-6 and 4-8. Today i won 500 in NL and lost 150 in 4-8. If you ever plan on going to the casino let me know ill help you out a bit if you got any questions.

[TheWholeFnShow]

that book has some pretty funny looking tells.

"Exhibit A: Man in cowboy hat picks nose, right nostril with left handfinger. 90% chance holding premium hand."

andy what books you got? im willing to swap. the harrington on holdem series has gotta be the best tourney reading ive come across so far.


I haven't bought a book yet. I just read them at Border's or some other bookstore. But if I do get some, I'll swap some with you. Cache Creek next week!! Oh yes!

[UCRJesse]

Regular PLO, I haven't trie dthe split games yet. Is there anything I coulda done about this? Im thinking I should've checked on the river, but I couldn't fold on the min re-raise...also, should I expect people to call raises with those kinda hands (A-Q-6-7)?

Transcript for your last 5 games requested by tb17 (t.bauza17@gmail.com)
*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #1985171133: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/06/27 - 17:59:02 (ET)
Table 'Anhui' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: SilentAcorns ($1.80 in chips)
Seat 3: SacramentoCA ($18.80 in chips)
Seat 4: DUPPY ($17.20 in chips)
Seat 5: tb17 ($42.90 in chips)
Seat 7: jleech ($49.35 in chips)
Seat 8: shadeizatool ($50.85 in chips)
Seat 9: blueberry ($63.50 in chips)
Da rat11 has returned
blueberry: posts small blind $0.10
SilentAcorns: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [9s Ad 9h As]
SacramentoCA: folds
DUPPY: folds
tb17: raises $0.60 to $0.85
jleech: folds
shadeizatool: calls $0.85
blueberry: calls $0.75
SilentAcorns: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc Qh 7h]
blueberry: checks
tb17: checks
shadeizatool: bets $1
blueberry: folds
tb17: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Qc Qh 7h] [8s]
tb17: checks
shadeizatool: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qc Qh 7h 8s] [2c]
tb17: bets $4.60
shadeizatool: raises $4.60 to $9.20
tb17: calls $4.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shadeizatool: shows [6s 7d Qs Ac] (a full house, Queens full of Sevens)
tb17: mucks hand
shadeizatool collected $22.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $23.20 | Rake $1.15
Board [Qc Qh 7h 8s 2c]
Seat 1: SilentAcorns (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: SacramentoCA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DUPPY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tb17 mucked [9s Ad 9h As]
Seat 7: jleech folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: shadeizatool (button) showed [6s 7d Qs Ac] and won ($22.05) with a full house, Queens full of Sevens
Seat 9: blueberry (small blind) folded on the Flop

Omaha you're usually going to need more than just 2 pair to win. any good hands you play preflop are usually going to require hitting a flop to win as well.

[tape]

No im not rich im quite poor i just worked my way up. When i first moved to sd from new jersey i was going into the casinos(sycuan/viejas) with a fake id.( i was 17) I was kind of nervous cuz of my age and being in a casino. I went broke a lot playing 1-2 nl and 3-6 limit. Then about 6 months ago my game reached a point where i was just destroying 3-6 games 5 days a week. I studied a lot and really focused on the game. I then stepped up to 4-8 and did well. Got my roll up to like 2500 for poker. Then i got a job at Seaworld(still work there), to take care of my living expenses and not have to touch my poker roll. It is much easier to play and focus when you know there is a paycheck to look forward to. Managing bankroll was extremely difficult for me when i started out. Just be sure to always keep a notebook of your wins/losses and how much you played,limit/location etc.It has helped me to improve a LOT. One thing to be careful of is that young players are very susceptible to TILT!. Once you can overcome that and maintain your peak level of play through highs and lows you will do great because i believe the cards always turn even. As of right now i play 2-3 days a week depending on my days off. I average about 500-600 weekly playing mostly 4-8 and sometimes 8-16 when available. Yesterday(sunday) and today i played at sycuan and did very well. Won 400 on sun in a little 3-6 and 4-8. Today i won 500 in NL and lost 150 in 4-8. If you ever plan on going to the casino let me know ill help you out a bit if you got any questions.

Hey I plan on visiting a 18 casino soon, cause my bankroll is nice and healthy after I got a bit of luck and won a 530 man tournament for $2500 bucks. What do you suggest playing there? I'm probably only planning to play with around 300-400, would limit or no limit be better? I think I'm pretty decent at O8 too, but I assume thats not too popular in most casinos?

[Viscant]

Hey viscant, do you ever play at any of the local san diego casinos? I go to viejas/barona/sycuan like 4 times a week and dominate the 4-8 8-16 games. Once a month ill play 15-30 on saturday at viejas but my bankroll is not large enough yet for that game.

And yeah, online is cool for the bonuses and smaller rake but its a pain in the ass to deposit and withdraw your money and i really dont like my money being tied up for a week. Casinos are a much more fun and exciting atmosphere and whatever you win can be taken home right away. Plus there is always a chance for a bad beat jackpot/

Occasionally I'll play at Viejas, but usually only if I'm there for a tournament also. I'm in Clairemont Mesa, so it's kind of far to go there just to play the live games.
It's not as much fun for me to play live simply because it moves so slowly. When I play online, I'm usually playing 4 tables at once. Playing live and playing on those super-loose tables, I find myself playing maybe 1 or 2 hands per half hour and it just seems dull.

One of your disadvantages is actually why I like playing online more than live. The record keeping is so much easier online. I used to keep a notebook of all my live play, keeping exact count on how much I was up, how much I was down, hands I remembered. A buddy of mine told me to make a mark for every hand I won and toked the dealer. He said "wait a couple months and add up all the marks in your notebook". Well, I did what he said and noticed that I'd paid almost $1000 in tips when I was just getting started. I mean, when you're playing 4-8, that + rake = your profit margin. I still play live because it's fun and because I enjoy intimidating people, but it's just not as profitable as online play.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[N-Ken]

Damn Im gonna vent for a second cause I just had a similar situation to Krasshole, I had pocket Kings and I raised preflop, 3 callers, flop comes like J 7 rag, I raise it 4x bb, 2 callers, comes an 8, first to act guy bets like 40(bb was 20) I reraise to 160 or something, he reraises all in, I call. He's got 5 6o, river comes a 4. AAARGH why would you call a preflop raise with 5 6o in NL? I actually asked him why which I dont usually do, he's like well its just for fun. Thats the worst thing you can hear when you get outdrawn, that they just wanted to act mentally deficient.

[PopTardO]

i got raped by triple 5 again....now im too scare to go in when there is a 5 out....but got 5 straight last night so it was all good =)

[SvN]

Hey I plan on visiting a 18 casino soon, cause my bankroll is nice and healthy after I got a bit of luck and won a 530 man tournament for $2500 bucks. What do you suggest playing there? I'm probably only planning to play with around 300-400, would limit or no limit be better? I think I'm pretty decent at O8 too, but I assume thats not too popular in most casinos?

You should probably start out at 2-4/3-6 limit or a NL with a 100-200 max buy-in(always buy the max). The O8 2-4 and 3-6 game where i play is very action oriented and you could take major chip swings so you should stay away from those games. You really should stick with a small limit game if you can only play with 300-400 and try to build up from that. The skill level of players in those games is pretty low and you can easily take a 3-4 big bet per hour profit if you are a good player. Get the book small stakes hold'em by sklansky its a pretty good book and gives some good tips on how to crush those small limit games. But don't try to step up and use the same tactics in an 8-16 or 15-30 game because the play is much different.

[SvN]

Occasionally I'll play at Viejas, but usually only if I'm there for a tournament also. I'm in Clairemont Mesa, so it's kind of far to go there just to play the live games.
It's not as much fun for me to play live simply because it moves so slowly. When I play online, I'm usually playing 4 tables at once. Playing live and playing on those super-loose tables, I find myself playing maybe 1 or 2 hands per half hour and it just seems dull.

One of your disadvantages is actually why I like playing online more than live. The record keeping is so much easier online. I used to keep a notebook of all my live play, keeping exact count on how much I was up, how much I was down, hands I remembered. A buddy of mine told me to make a mark for every hand I won and toked the dealer. He said "wait a couple months and add up all the marks in your notebook". Well, I did what he said and noticed that I'd paid almost $1000 in tips when I was just getting started. I mean, when you're playing 4-8, that + rake = your profit margin. I still play live because it's fun and because I enjoy intimidating people, but it's just not as profitable as online play.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com



Your right about the tipping and rake in the lower limit games but when playing 8-16 and 15-30 tipping and rake is pretty much moot because the rake in 15-30 is the same as 3-6. 3BB per hour in 15-30 is 90 bucks minus 6 bucks for tips = 84/90. In 3-6 18 bucks - 6 tips = 12/18 which is a complete BB! That is why im happy to be done grinding out those 3-6 games for 10 hours a day. Although the 3-6 games in the casinos are ridiculously easy for me to beat i still prefer the higher limit games with a little bit more profit margin.

[donaldducktm]

No im not rich im quite poor i just worked my way up. When i first moved to sd from new jersey i was going into the casinos(sycuan/viejas) with a fake id.( i was 17) I was kind of nervous cuz of my age and being in a casino. I went broke a lot playing 1-2 nl and 3-6 limit. Then about 6 months ago my game reached a point where i was just destroying 3-6 games 5 days a week. I studied a lot and really focused on the game. I then stepped up to 4-8 and did well. Got my roll up to like 2500 for poker. Then i got a job at Seaworld(still work there), to take care of my living expenses and not have to touch my poker roll. It is much easier to play and focus when you know there is a paycheck to look forward to. Managing bankroll was extremely difficult for me when i started out. Just be sure to always keep a notebook of your wins/losses and how much you played,limit/location etc.It has helped me to improve a LOT. One thing to be careful of is that young players are very susceptible to TILT!. Once you can overcome that and maintain your peak level of play through highs and lows you will do great because i believe the cards always turn even. As of right now i play 2-3 days a week depending on my days off. I average about 500-600 weekly playing mostly 4-8 and sometimes 8-16 when available. Yesterday(sunday) and today i played at sycuan and did very well. Won 400 on sun in a little 3-6 and 4-8. Today i won 500 in NL and lost 150 in 4-8. If you ever plan on going to the casino let me know ill help you out a bit if you got any questions.
i will definitely give u a holler when i do come to SD to play. while growing into the game, no one has really taught me anything...i learned by myself and it tended to be costly :sad:

[Viscant]

Your right about the tipping and rake in the lower limit games but when playing 8-16 and 15-30 tipping and rake is pretty much moot because the rake in 15-30 is the same as 3-6. 3BB per hour in 15-30 is 90 bucks minus 6 bucks for tips = 84/90. In 3-6 18 bucks - 6 tips = 12/18 which is a complete BB! That is why im happy to be done grinding out those 3-6 games for 10 hours a day. Although the 3-6 games in the casinos are ridiculously easy for me to beat i still prefer the higher limit games with a little bit more profit margin.

Yeah, I can understand that. I'm just not willing to set aside the amount of money to be able to play that high yet. Especially given how loose and wild the games are at the Viejas. I play pretty much same limits live as I do online, except I'll occasionally play the 8-16 game at Oceanside when they spread it. That's really about as high as I go.
Do you go for the tournaments at all?

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[Sdouble]

on bankroll management: my 2 cents
1. always have a job until u are good enough to rely on poker as a sole income. that means when u can afford to lose an amount, a big amount and it not have an effect you. i know we are poker loving bums, but trust me a job is the best thing for u.

2. never risk a significant amount of ur bankroll, unless the game is really gravy. even then it's still risky if ur struggling b/c on any given day the best player can make the best decisions and still lose, lose alot.

3. if u play cash games or tournaments, start out small and work ur way up. no matter how good u are, there is pressure when u play for a lot of money. only once u master ur self, will u master the madness that is poker.

that's the most important ones i know i've left something out viscant care to chime in?

[angryliberal]

i hit up the saturday morning no limit tournament at viejas about once a month. in my years of playing poker in san diego, i've never hit up ocean's eleven. its my friend's second home. i'm not a big cash player, i enjoy the tournament scene alot more.

[SvN]

Do you go for the tournaments at all?

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com


I really dislike the tournament structures at sycuan and viejas. They have a very poor chip to blind increase ratio. It basically comes down sitting on your small stack then pushing in your chips in a on big draw or premium holding preflop hoping to get lucky early. I did like the stud8(dont have anymore) and O8 in the morning at viejas. I played in about 35 tournaments total at these casinos. Made the final table 7 times winning a stud8 at viejas and a holdem at sycuan.I never chop the prize pool at the final table. I probably wont take tournaments seriously until i turn 21 or unless they run better structures. I will probably take a shot at the 250 buy in poker aces at viejas this upcoming month if i get the day off from work but other than that tournaments are just a novelty to me that i play 3-4 times a month. Cash games are where the money is :tup:

[duhaas21]

Never post in this thread again. Seriously dont. If you think Top 2 pair is a shitty hand then you and me should sit down and play each other for $1000.
I never said 2 pair was a shitty hand at all, but all tape was trying to do is tell you why the guy probably kept calling your raises, and you childlishly call him an idiot. Two pair is not as strong as you think it is, cause it's only better than one pair (or a lower two pair.) Every other hand in hold'em aside from one pair could have beaten it.....idiot.

If you can depend on SRK for one thing, it losers bitching about thier lives. Don't get all online-pissy to me just cause you're stubborn enough to lose a hand when you should have just looked at your fucking cards and anylized your opponent. If he kept calling your bets, you should have figured he had something big, esspecially in limit poker, cause unless he's a complete idiot, you really can't bluff often in limit.

[tape]

I really dislike the tournament structures at sycuan and viejas. They have a very poor chip to blind increase ratio. It basically comes down sitting on your small stack then pushing in your chips in a on big draw or premium holding preflop hoping to get lucky early. I did like the stud8(dont have anymore) and O8 in the morning at viejas. I played in about 35 tournaments total at these casinos. Made the final table 7 times winning a stud8 at viejas and a holdem at sycuan.I never chop the prize pool at the final table. I probably wont take tournaments seriously until i turn 21 or unless they run better structures. I will probably take a shot at the 250 buy in poker aces at viejas this upcoming month if i get the day off from work but other than that tournaments are just a novelty to me that i play 3-4 times a month. Cash games are where the money is :tup:

I just noticed your location was New Jersey/San Diego and I live in Jersey. Have you played in any under 21 casinos around there? My friends supposedly frequent (and beat) Turning Stone a lot, and says the games there are so easy. However, these are the same guys that have given me a couple thousand over the semester so I'm not too eager to trust them. Just wanted to know if you've had any experience there.

[Serpent]

My online poker came to an end after I dumped about $100 to this guy going on super tilt at $1/$2 tables. I mean...the guy got the nuts on 27/30 consecutive hands. I played maybe 5 hands during that time, partly because I thought he couldn't keep winning. He'd win with stupid shit, like 7/4 unsuited, A/5 unsuited, 10/8 suiteds, etc. Frankly, I personally thought he was cheating somehow. I IMed Viscant and he swore people don't cheat, and this was 'normal'. I guess I just stink at poker. Kinda sucks, I had cleared the bonus on that site and gotten my $100 to $150, but then I lost too much to recover. I guess I'm just not lucky enough, and yes, I know I played over my bankroll.

[SvN]

I just noticed your location was New Jersey/San Diego and I live in Jersey. Have you played in any under 21 casinos around there? My friends supposedly frequent (and beat) Turning Stone a lot, and says the games there are so easy. However, these are the same guys that have given me a couple thousand over the semester so I'm not too eager to trust them. Just wanted to know if you've had any experience there.

Im from atlantic city, there are no under 21 casinos in the area. I was going into the ac casinos for a few months with my brothers id. And about games being "easy" in a particular spot. I don't believe it because most poker rooms have both skilled and poor players it just depends on your table selection for that day. Ive never been to turning stone because it was hours from where i lived and i was just 17. The taj mahal was 2 blocks from my house and i just went there like once a week.

[rsigley]

why don't we just have a SRK tournament
most poker sites let you have private tournaments

for free or money don't matter

i suggest full tilt so we can have HORSE

but we should agree on it

[Viscant]

HORSE would be fun but you have to remember, most of SRK would die for free on the ORSE part of the game. Let me know what you guys are up for because I'm down for whatever.

Oh yeah, major props to sigley. He busted TJ Cloutier out of a WSOP tournament yesterday. I hope that's going on TV.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

[donaldducktm]

Oh yeah, major props to sigley. He busted TJ Cloutier out of a WSOP tournament yesterday. I hope that's going on TV.

oh shit is that right??? TJ Cloutier is considered a top poker player. congrads

[SvN]

why don't we just have a SRK tournament
most poker sites let you have private tournaments

for free or money don't matter

i suggest full tilt so we can have HORSE

but we should agree on it


Id play a horse event, Your at the wsop?

[Captain Ryu]

Fuck online poker. It's all about the real shit. You cant read people in online poker. You can see some patterns but it's not the same.

[KrassHole]

HORSE would be fun but you have to remember, most of SRK would die for free on the ORSE part of the game. Let me know what you guys are up for because I'm down for whatever.

Oh yeah, major props to sigley. He busted TJ Cloutier out of a WSOP tournament yesterday. I hope that's going on TV.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com


OMG!!! TJ Cloutier is my most hated Poker player. Way to go Sigley.

[SvN]

Fuck online poker. It's all about the real shit. You cant read people in online poker. You can see some patterns but it's not the same.


I agree, online is poker with training wheels. Eventually you got sit down face to face with someone if you wanna make it big.

[margalis]

Online poker isn't really all that different than live poker. I like both, for different reasons.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Hmm...the pokerstars $5 omaha h/l sit n gos are really really soft. I just cashed in on 4 out of 5.

[N-Ken]

HORSE would be fun but you have to remember, most of SRK would die for free on the ORSE part of the game. Let me know what you guys are up for because I'm down for whatever.

Oh yeah, major props to sigley. He busted TJ Cloutier out of a WSOP tournament yesterday. I hope that's going on TV.

--Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com


GOOD shit sigley.

[Strider Hiryu]

i like online poker more merely due to the fact i can make 4x more money than i can in live play....

i can play 4 tables at once..

i dont have to tip dealer....

and reading people online isnt THAT hard.

[UCRJesse]

why don't we just have a SRK tournament
most poker sites let you have private tournaments

for free or money don't matter

i suggest full tilt so we can have HORSE

but we should agree on it

I'm down as long as we keep it cheap and someone teaches me razz

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

Any news on the WSOP this year?

[KrassHole]

I'm down as long as we keep it cheap and someone teaches me razz


If someone has 2345 showing then you might want to fold.

[tape]

I'm down for the tournament too...though I think I'd get pwned in the SE part :(

And damn rob didn't know you entered WSOP good shit.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

if you have it on FTP would someone be willin to transfer stars money to FTP?

[ReptarBar]

i'm down for an srk tournament. anyone play on pacific?

[N-Ken]

i'm down for an srk tournament. anyone play on pacific?


I do a little bit, mostly stick to small SNGs and MTTs right now, still playing off my free 10 :bluu:

lol at Matts Razz advice, good shit...

[donaldducktm]

i've been waiting for 2 weeks and i still don't have my free $10 deposit for Pacific Poker. i did not open the account, but i created a Money account. help please?

[DaFlipMastaXV]

5 + .50 rebuy on stars. Was cruisin along until...

*********** # 13 **************
PokerStars Game #2000638434: Tournament #9361112, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1500/3000) - 2005/06/29 - 21:52:31 (ET)
Table '9361112 17' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: onepoket (24534 in chips)
Seat 2: Hold_emNL (171090 in chips)
Seat 3: tb17 (50313 in chips)
Seat 4: madmike1 (74778 in chips)
Seat 5: newportking (22174 in chips)
Seat 6: Berkshire (39467 in chips)
Seat 7: squier44 (15272 in chips)
Seat 9: b.stern (7150 in chips)
onepoket: posts the ante 150
Hold_emNL: posts the ante 150
tb17: posts the ante 150
madmike1: posts the ante 150
newportking: posts the ante 150
Berkshire: posts the ante 150
squier44: posts the ante 150
b.stern: posts the ante 150
Hold_emNL: posts small blind 1500
tb17: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [As Kd]
b.stern said, "ur BB got respect"
madmike1: folds
newportking: raises 19024 to 22024 and is all-in
Berkshire: folds
squier44: folds
b.stern: folds
onepoket: folds
Hold_emNL: folds
tb17: calls 19024
b.stern said, "wonder if same will happen to mine"
Hold_emNL said, "had aj last hand"
*** FLOP *** [7s Js 6d]
Hold_emNL said, "no it wont ;)"
*** TURN *** [7s Js 6d] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [7s Js 6d 5s] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tb17: shows [As Kd] (high card Ace)
newportking: shows [Kh Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
newportking collected 46748 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 46748 | Rake 0
Board [7s Js 6d 5s 4d]
Seat 1: onepoket (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hold_emNL (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: tb17 (big blind) showed [As Kd] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 4: madmike1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: newportking showed [Kh Jc] and won (46748) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: Berkshire folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: squier44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: b.stern folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Which sets up for this...

PokerStars Game #2000702304: Tournament #9361112, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1500/3000) - 2005/06/29 - 22:00:18 (ET)
Table '9361112 17' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: onepoket (23934 in chips)
Seat 2: Hold_emNL (173240 in chips)
Seat 3: tb17 (26189 in chips)
Seat 4: madmike1 (26461 in chips)
Seat 5: newportking (43298 in chips)
Seat 6: Berkshire (88406 in chips)
Seat 7: albyjalby (36111 in chips)
Seat 8: Sealed Deck (39145 in chips)
Seat 9: b.stern (10100 in chips)
onepoket: posts the ante 150
Hold_emNL: posts the ante 150
tb17: posts the ante 150
madmike1: posts the ante 150
newportking: posts the ante 150
Berkshire: posts the ante 150
albyjalby: posts the ante 150
Sealed Deck: posts the ante 150
b.stern: posts the ante 150
newportking: posts small blind 1500
Berkshire: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [Qs Kc]
Sealed Deck said, "ty"
albyjalby: folds
Sealed Deck: folds
b.stern said, "booooooooya"
booya25 [observer] said, "hey is it just me or did icey get hit with the deck"
b.stern: folds
onepoket: folds
Hold_emNL: raises 5000 to 8000
Sealed Deck said, "amazing huh?"
tb17: calls 8000

I know this (calling) was the worst option. But mr chip leader was banging at most pots, and I wanted to see this flop. Until...

madmike1: raises 18311 to 26311 and is all-in
newportking: folds
Berkshire: raises 61945 to 88256 and is all-in
Hold_emNL: folds

Now it's my stack (18k) which is barely 6x the bb, and i'm getting around 3.2:1. With 3 re-raises, im most likely beat. I didn't put Hold_emNL on a hand cuz he's been stealing from every position left and right. I put berkshire on jacks or lower and trying to limit it to a race. As for madmike, he seemed desperate for a double up. He could easily have slick down to k-j. Do I wait it out or stuff it in?

[N-Ken]

Well it was a bad call with AK in the first place imo(maybe not bad persee, but questionable I'd say for sure in your spot, personally Id say bad call)

As soon as it got raised to 8000 with KQo you should have folded, after calling though Id say you gotta fold for sure.

[UCRJesse]

If someone has 2345 showing then you might want to fold.

I think in this position i'd rather raise... if he knows your raising into that board, any players going to go "wow he's got a wheel, i have to fold"

[KrassHole]

I think in this position i'd rather raise... if he knows your raising into that board, any players going to go "wow he's got a wheel, i have to fold"



Are you crazy ?? You could be raising into the nuts. You do know the best hand in Razz is A2345 right ??

[N-Ken]

Are you crazy ?? You could be raising into the nuts. You do know the best hand in Razz is A2345 right ??


You also could be raising into a non qualifying hand, so you could be raising the worst hand possible. Razz is a stupid fucking game.

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

Was playing a small tourney today...Guy didn't really know what he was doing, called 3 all ins. First was a J-10-3, all rainbow. He had pocket 9s, my friend had J-10. J-10 is all in, the guy turns a 9 and a 3 to make his boat. Second hand, I go all in with 10-8 suited with 3-4-8 on the board. He calls with 2-6 and rivers a 5. Last hand, friend goes all in with 5-6 suited and got his two pair. Guy rivers a club with his 3-4 suited and hits his flush. Keep in mind that calling wasn't ever a good deal for him, he was calling to "load us up". Back to back to back hands on this. Sometimes I hate poker.

[TheWholeFnShow]

OMG!!! TJ Cloutier is my most hated Poker player. Way to go Sigley.

Really? Why him? Just curious. I figure people wouldn't like Phil Helmuth or Mike Matusow. But they are fun to watch.

[KrassHole]

Really? Why him? Just curious. I figure people wouldn't like Phil Helmuth or Mike Matusow. But they are fun to watch.


I dont like him because in the 2003 wsop soemone did something and TJ questioned it, but of course he was wrong. Then he got all pissed off and ended up getting busted out a few hands later. And hes always got this smug old bastard look on his face it just makes me wanna double leg drop kick his neck.

[Sdouble]

damn ohama is so easy to win money at on full tilt. i sat down with 11 bucks and i'm up to 39 in like 30 mins. in 5 /10 cent pot limit.

[KrassHole]

I'm playing at a place that offers a 100% bonus right now and if you reload buy tomorrow you get a next 100% bonus.

Send me a PM for info and so I can refer you. We each get $25 id I refer you so its win win. Send a PM.

[donaldducktm]

SvN, u got a screen name?

my parents are planning to go to Morongo tomorrow, so i'mma try my best to sneak into the poker room. my bankroll will be around $50. good enough to start? and which table should i join? .50/1.00? 1/2?

[SvN]

SvN, u got a screen name?

my parents are planning to go to Morongo tomorrow, so i'mma try my best to sneak into the poker room. my bankroll will be around $50. good enough to start? and which table should i join? .50/1.00? 1/2?


Well those table limits do not even exist in casinos. Lowest limits at morongo are 3/6 i believe for limit. As for no limit they have a 1-2 or 1-3 blind games but you should always buy the max which is 100-500 depending on casino. If you only have a 50 dollar bankroll honestly, you have no place in a casino poker room. You should have at least 20 times the big blind(25 in kill games) to sit at a limit table. Therfore it would be ideal to sit at a 3/6 table with 120 dollars. You can comfortably play your hand without worrying about your chips for awhile. I would just save your money because your 50 will be eaten up quite quickly unless you sit into a rush which is rare. If you are going no matter what though, then take a chance and throw that 50 on one hand of blackjack or pai gow and if you win then go play poker, if not go home.

Oh and my aim is svnguyen86 i only use it once it awhile though. You can msg me if you got any ?'s

[Sdouble]

is it a play to get the money thang?

[donaldducktm]

SvN i took your advice. my plan was to just go in and scout how they played. it was difficult to hold myself back in getting chips hahaha. so i'm gonna save up so next time i'mma roll at least $150 in my pocket before i walk in.

i've noticed that ur sn is Vietnamese? and i'm also assuming ur 18/19??? i'm viet and 19 too! =)

i'll ask 1 question at a time on SRk boards so here goes:

what was ur first experience like in a casino poker room and how did you do?

[SvN]

i've noticed that ur sn is Vietnamese? and i'm also assuming ur 18/19??? i'm viet and 19 too! =)

i'll ask 1 question at a time on SRk boards so here goes:

what was ur first experience like in a casino poker room and how did you do?

Yeh my father is viet and my mother is italian and polish. Ill be 19 in september.

First time i played in a casino i believe was at the taj mahal in atlantic city(used to live 2 blocks away). I was 16!! lol. I was there with my bro and his friend. I used a fake id to get in but never got carded at the table. I dressed up very nicely with a leather jacket and a kangol hat to look older. Of course i was extremely nervous playing underage against people who were drinking beer and commenting on how young i looked. The game was a 2-4 limit game. I actually only played about 2 hours and won around 40 bucks, but not sure exactly. I just played really tight and must have been lucky because i was a poor player with no live experience at that time. I felt so nervous that after that day i only went to the casino 2 other times in atlantic city before moving to sd.

Also im probably gonna be at sycuan this tuesday to play some 4-8 or no limit. Ill be there for prolly 6 to 10 hours since i dont have to work at my other job.

[Strider Hiryu]

at Hawaiian Gardens in Long Beach, they have 1-2 limit and 20 NL with blinds at 1-1...

so if you have a small bankroll of only $50, you can have some fun there...

Lowest limit at morongo is 2-4... although 3-6 is where all the money is at...


so i just got back from vegas...

lowest limit games they have is 1-3 at the excalibur and at tropicana... theres always full tables at excalibur, but HELLLA fishes....

i came up $200 playing mostly 3-6... but i was getting quite a few bad beats coz fuckers would be calling my bets (me having top pair or two pair) with bottom pair, only to pick up bullshit on the river. I also had a guy raise PREFLOP every time to $6 even though he had shit like 5 7 suited, or 8 9 off... and if someone raised before him, he would reraise to 9-12, making me throw away semi-decent hands coz i didnt want to pay $12 to see a flop.

Bellagio has FUCKING crazy ass $4000-$8000 limit game for you ballers... watching that for a while made me wish i was rich.

I stopped by the Rio to check out some WSOP events... the atmosphere there is nuts.. Like you walk in and all you can hear is chip sounds, but amplified times a million.. like you couldnt even hear people talk unless you yelled..

saw a couple of faces.. greg raymer.. johnny chan.. phil hellmuth... men nguyen...

interesting enough.. greg raymer who is undoubetly a millionaire sat around a 2-4 table and play for like 30 min... although i think it was a publicity stunt more than anything else...

but yea... free drinks... greatest thing ever.

[donaldducktm]

Yeh my father is viet and my mother is italian and polish. Ill be 19 in september.

First time i played in a casino i believe was at the taj mahal in atlantic city(used to live 2 blocks away). I was 16!! lol. I was there with my bro and his friend. I used a fake id to get in but never got carded at the table. I dressed up very nicely with a leather jacket and a kangol hat to look older. Of course i was extremely nervous playing underage against people who were drinking beer and commenting on how young i looked. The game was a 2-4 limit game. I actually only played about 2 hours and won around 40 bucks, but not sure exactly. I just played really tight and must have been lucky because i was a poor player with no live experience at that time. I felt so nervous that after that day i only went to the casino 2 other times in atlantic city before moving to sd.

Also im probably gonna be at sycuan this tuesday to play some 4-8 or no limit. Ill be there for prolly 6 to 10 hours since i dont have to work at my other job.wow u started playing at the age of 16??? dayyyyam u have some good experiences i suppose. i understand how u felt when u played for the first time cuhz when i looked in the poker room, all i see are chips just diving into the pot constantly. and i heard Live is really CRAZy when it comes to players who puts in chips like crazy. GOOD SHIT!

i'm not in SD, but i'm planning to come this weekend though. we'll see

what kind of style do u prefer? loose or tight? i like being tight, but loose can be intimidating? ehhe ur opinions are appreciated.

Strider Hiryu: is the Hawaiian Gardens 18+? i've driven by it to visit my grandma's grave once in a while. wow u saw the pros in Vegas? good shit. Phil Hellmuth is my hero

[Strider Hiryu]

Hawaiian Gardens is 21+...

Playing loose means your obviously going to see more flops, so there will always be action... but in the long run, it will fuck you over... But it also depends if youre playing limit or NL... coz if you were the chip leader in NL, you could afford to play loose.


Phi Hellmuth is a goddam idiot..

[KrassHole]

Phil Hellmuth is the greatest.


How many times am I gonna lose to runner runner straight :tdown:

[rsigley]

remember

whenever you lose its not because you suck or because you made a bad decision

its because of variance!!

always blame variance!!

[Strider Hiryu]

damn... i cleared a party poker 700 raked hand bonus for $100 in 3 hours.... thats nuts....

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Imagine...playing for 7-8 million dollars, trying beat over 5600 people. And you have this joker at your table...

Click here (http://photos1.blogger.com/img/112/1116/1024/IMG_1175.jpg)

You may have to try more than once...but it's pretty funny.

[KrassHole]

No one ever play at TigerGaming.


You know how the commercial says to shock em with your aces??
It should say "don't be shocked when your aces lose to 2 pair on the river every single time you get them"

[donaldducktm]

LOL i read on Card Player that someone did wear a sesame street mask! good pic there DaFlipMast hahaha

Jennifer Harman, who was seated at the table on the ESPN stage, has been eliminated from this year's main event. She had taken an unbelievable hit in round one, when she flopped a set of queens against an opponent's straight, and then turned a full house on the same card that made her opponent a straight flush.

"I've never had this happen to me before in my life," is how Jennifer Harman's 2005 WSOP championship starts. It begins with her picking up Q-Q. The board comes Qd-Jd-10c-10d-7d, a full house for Harman, but unfortunately for her, her opponent flips over 8d-9d. A runner-runner straight flush puts one of the field's toughest players on the ropes.

[KrassHole]

LOL i read on Card Player that someone did wear a sesame street mask! good pic there DaFlipMast hahaha

Jennifer Harman, who was seated at the table on the ESPN stage, has been eliminated from this year's main event. She had taken an unbelievable hit in round one, when she flopped a set of queens against an opponent's straight, and then turned a full house on the same card that made her opponent a straight flush.

"I've never had this happen to me before in my life," is how Jennifer Harman's 2005 WSOP championship starts. It begins with her picking up Q-Q. The board comes Qd-Jd-10c-10d-7d, a full house for Harman, but unfortunately for her, her opponent flips over 8d-9d. A runner-runner straight flush puts one of the field's toughest players on the ropes.



Sorry to tell you but thats not a runner runner straight flush. He had it on the turn.

[UCRJesse]

LOL i read on Card Player that someone did wear a sesame street mask! good pic there DaFlipMast hahaha

Jennifer Harman, who was seated at the table on the ESPN stage, has been eliminated from this year's main event. She had taken an unbelievable hit in round one, when she flopped a set of queens against an opponent's straight, and then turned a full house on the same card that made her opponent a straight flush.

"I've never had this happen to me before in my life," is how Jennifer Harman's 2005 WSOP championship starts. It begins with her picking up Q-Q. The board comes Qd-Jd-10c-10d-7d, a full house for Harman, but unfortunately for her, her opponent flips over 8d-9d. A runner-runner straight flush puts one of the field's toughest players on the ropes.

I really like how you totally misquoted that hand but still wrote it as if it would be in a magazine... Because no one wrote "a runner-runner straight flush puts one of the field's toughest players on the ropes"

[donaldducktm]

LOl i copy and pasted from Cardplayer.com Live Updates. i wish my grammar and writing skills were up to that level. but anyway, Johnny Chan, Barry Greenstein, Jennifer Tilly got eliminated from the 1st round. Shannon Elizabeth (American Pie) had 3 times the chips Johnny Chan had at one point.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Lee Watkinson is owning up. I can see him making heads up...and then totally blowing it because he never believes his opponent has a hand.

To add to the list, Unabomber is gone, Arieh gone. We get to see more raymer as he was on the feature table, as was the straight flush hand. And Donald's post was directly from Cardplayer.com so it wasn't like he wrote it himself. Cardplayer also has some of the worst and funniest puns (which is great news if you're in to that stuff).

Date / Time: 2005-07-08 01:02:00
Title: Josh Arieh-Vederci

Date / Time: 2005-07-08 00:23:00
Title: Gone-berto Brenes

Title: David "Goner Fish" Ulliott

Date / Time: 2005-07-07 22:40:00
Title: Mike Caro Hits the Rail-O

Date / Time: 2005-07-07 21:09:00
Title: Johnny Chan - Gone-y Chan

And on and on...

[opticallyinviz]

played a local poker tourney last night and won $550

[UCRJesse]

LOl i copy and pasted from Cardplayer.com Live Updates. i wish my grammar and writing skills were up to that level. but anyway, Johnny Chan, Barry Greenstein, Jennifer Tilly got eliminated from the 1st round. Shannon Elizabeth (American Pie) had 3 times the chips Johnny Chan had at one point.

k sorry, i love you <3

[box]

Daniel Negreanu is knocked out.

And apparently "Boston Rob" from Survivor and Amazing Race is playing. He was still in when Negreanu was knocked out.

[Strider Hiryu]

id like to see scotty nguyen at the final table just coz hes a fob and that would make for entertaining poker.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

scotty got busted by "nordberg" of dbpoker.com, which is a pretty funny site.

[donaldducktm]

k sorry, i love you <3
:lovin: all good. are u by any chance, Vietnamese?

check out this huge laydown by Phil Hellmuth Jr....

-------copy and paste from Cardplayer.com-------

Date / Time: 2005-07-09 00:38:00
Title: P