New TV, Progressive Scan question

[9TNine]

Hey, just recently purchased a new Samsung 27" TV (Model no. TX-P2764) and had a question someone here may have the answer to. The TV I was using prior to this was pretty old, so it just used standard AV. This new TV has component support as well as Progressive Scan. I purchased the Component Cables for my PS2 and GC, but have noticed something which to my understanding isn't normal.

For either system, when I'm playing a game in interlace mode, part of the top and bottom of the screen are cut off, as if the picture is too tall for the TV to display. However, in Progressive Mode the game will fit fine vertically, but extends slightly outside the screen on both of the sides.

The best example I can think of using is for #Reload. In interlace, the top of the screen such as the score and such is partly cut off, and the tension bars are basically hugging the bottom of the TV. In Progressive, the small characters in the upper corners are closer to the sides than normal, and in Traning Mode, if the guard bar is filled to 128, half of the 2 and all of the 8 will be off the screen.

This doesn't seem normal to me, as my understanding of Progressive Mode never involved the image changing size at all. What kind of TV would let me see all of the image, all the time in either Interlace or Progresive? I'm aware it's not a huge amount of picture that is being lost, but I'm somewhat annoyed that I'm not getting all of the picture that I should be seeing. It doesn't seem right to me that I should have to decide which portion of the screen I'd like to cut off every time I play a game.

I'm still able to exchange this TV for something else, and am willing to spend a bit more (a few hundred maybe) to ensure that I'm getting a TV that works how I want and expect it to.

I'd appreciate any help on the subject. Thanks.

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[laugh]

Try to locate a oversize button (anything that seems like it) on your remote if there's a such button. The oversize button will do exactly what you described; cut off ends by enlarging. If not, someone else help.

[9TNine]

Try to locate a oversize button (anything that seems like it) on your remote if there's a such button. The oversize button will do exactly what you described; cut off ends by enlarging. If not, someone else help.

It's already cutting off ends, I'd like it not to.

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[ShinHed]

Do you plan on returning it? It's overscan and you can enter the service menu and adjust it or return it and get a Sony.

[9TNine]

Do you plan on returning it? It's overscan and you can enter the service menu and adjust it or return it and get a Sony.

If returning it is what I have to do, then yes. Is there a seperate menu from the what the Menu button on the remote offers, and if so, how would I access it? I checked the options in the menu and didn't see anything about adjusting that sort of thing, only thing remotely close was tilting the screen image.

EDIT: Any idea why it would be different between Progressive and Interlace?

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[ShinHed]

1. TV turned off
2. Press 'Mute' then '182' then 'Power' buttons on the remote.
You are now in the Adjustment mode
4. Use the 'Channel up'or"Channel dwn' to select the category.
5. Use the 'Volume up or dwn' to enter the category.
note:Some models may not have Category Selection.
6. Use the 'Channel up or dwn' buttons to select item to be adjusted.
7. Write down the old value of the item before changing.
8. Use Volume up and down adjust the value.
9. When you have made all the adjustments you want turn the set off to exit.

[9TNine]

1. TV turned off
2. Press 'Mute' then '182' then 'Power' buttons on the remote.
You are now in the Adjustment mode
4. Use the 'Channel up'or"Channel dwn' to select the category.
5. Use the 'Volume up or dwn' to enter the category.
note:Some models may not have Category Selection.
6. Use the 'Channel up or dwn' buttons to select item to be adjusted.
7. Write down the old value of the item before changing.
8. Use Volume up and down adjust the value.
9. When you have made all the adjustments you want turn the set off to exit.

Interesting, I got the menu to show up but haven't played with anything, I'll look into that later. Might fix the other thing I noticed, which is that the picture isn't quite a rectangle. The top corners bend inward, which makes the center of the top of the screen look like it's dipping a little. Thanks, hopefully this might help out some.

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[DarkChylde]

Progressive scan with #Reload is messed up anyways, so you shouldn't be testing it out with it. Something like, the sides will be too long so the mini character portraits will be cut off always.

[9TNine]

Progressive scan with #Reload is messed up anyways, so you shouldn't be testing it out with it. Something like, the sides will be too long so the mini character portraits will be cut off always.

It's the PS2 version, I know that was an issue with the xbox one, but is it with the ps2 as well?

Even so, having the same sort of problem with the Darkstalkers collection.

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[ShinHed]

That's one of the reason I chose a studio monitor to game on. I can tweak the image size like a PC monitor.

Helpful:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/index.php?

[yoooooon]

Something you should keep in mind.

Starboy, Fubarduck and I have found interesting results while using certain games on ps2 with a progressivescan/hdtv.

A. Playing a non-progressive scan game will result in lag. Yes, there is lag, and you may not believe it, but if you don't, you are a noob. Fubarduck called us out on it, saying he didn't believe it, but he was convinced. When Otaku and Bas were in town for games, Otaku said that it lagged as well, due to the lack of a progressive scan version of cvs2, and that is a pretty reliable source (more reliable than us, apparently... :clap: ) This is because the non progressive scan signal has to be converted, thus resulting in lag. EVEN if you have a badass sony tv, you're still gonna be stuck with the lag. I'm sure FUBAR can go more indepth about it and explain it better.

B. The only solution to avoid this lag is to find a progressive scan version of the game you are wanting to play. We fixed this by utilizing the XBOX version of anniversary collection, but it is difficult because of the lack of controller converter support SPECIFIC to that game. However, it does work much better than than the ps2 version on hdtvs. However, CVS2 SHOULD ALWAYS BE PLAYED ON A NON-PROGRESSIVE SCAN HDTV. You should really do your research and see if you can find a TV that can either support interlaced lower-def modes in native mode, or can convert without lag.

This problem was discussed at Texas Showdown 5, apparently the tekken tournament was having some lag issues because they were not using progressive scan- or something of that nature. Someone who knows more about that please speak up.

just thought i should let some people know, i am in the market for a tv, but since i mostly play street fighter, i am curious to whether or not i should get an hdtv.

[BigEd80]

Shinhed,

Studio Monitor? Can you show me what that looks like?

[ShinHed]

Studio/Pro video monitors are often high resolution, multiple video standard, high quality monitors used in professions in which image detail is very important (hospitals, movie shoots, photo studios, television studios etc..).

My exact monitor
Sony GVM-2020
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21517&item=7522872829&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

It's an RGB and a VGA monitor via BNC and db-9 connectors. I'd be so lost without it.

There are many to choose from..
http://listings.ebay.com/Professional-Video-Equipment_Monitors_W0QQcatrefZC4QQfclZ3QQfromZR11Q QfsooZ1QQfsopZ3QQsacatZ21517QQsbrsrtZlQQsocmdZList ingItemList

[BigEd80]

Oh ok, I think I've seen these before back in my school days, one of my teachers had her computer hooked up to one (Princeton brand, I think it was more of a multimedia monitor though). Are there any that are made more recently?

[ShinHed]

Sure are, but they are exspensive as f*ck........
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/DisplaySubCategory?m=10007&p=8&sp=20074

[kbtoyz902]

When you mention interlaced and progressive settings, are you referring to the game's native resolution or PS2's output or the connection you're using(composite/component)?

If it's because of the connection/input, it's possible that each input has a specific zoom setting assigned to it. If not, you're just getting the typical cut off from having a CRT. It can also be that the game plays in a progressive wide screen, but that might be the least likely of reasons. I also think it's because it's a Samsung, and it's apparent that Samsung CRT's have poor geometry. Samsung can perfect every other TV technology but the one that's been around the longest lol.

I'll pop in GGXX later to see how it looks on my screen. Problem though with mine, is my CRT is wide screen(Panny CT26WX15), so I might not have that same problem.

Getting a Sony TV won't solve the problem. The only thing Sony CRT's do well out of the box is their geometry. Other than that you're overpaying for another overrated Sony product.

[Fantomize]

i have a samsung TX-R2765 and have that same problem. Im gonna try out what ShinHed posted.

[Fantomize]

I tried it out it worked thanks :) I hated that some of my screen was off. I only change some settings in the 480p offset. The changes i made worked fine on 480p on both component1 and component2. But on component2 thers a funny problem. When i put it on 480i the sceen is zoomed in, but 480p looks fine. Component1 input works fine on both 480i/480p. So im good to go :)

[Disciple of Ryu]

Heh, you need component cables to use progressive scan. Guess I gotta head back to the store in the morning and try again...

[9TNine]

When you mention interlaced and progressive settings, are you referring to the game's native resolution or PS2's output or the connection you're using(composite/component)?

If it's because of the connection/input, it's possible that each input has a specific zoom setting assigned to it. If not, you're just getting the typical cut off from having a CRT. It can also be that the game plays in a progressive wide screen, but that might be the least likely of reasons. I also think it's because it's a Samsung, and it's apparent that Samsung CRT's have poor geometry. Samsung can perfect every other TV technology but the one that's been around the longest lol.

I'll pop in GGXX later to see how it looks on my screen. Problem though with mine, is my CRT is wide screen(Panny CT26WX15), so I might not have that same problem.

Getting a Sony TV won't solve the problem. The only thing Sony CRT's do well out of the box is their geometry. Other than that you're overpaying for another overrated Sony product.

Wow, if this was directed at me, then you bumped a thread from a year ago.

Anyways, I replaced the Samsung with a Sony 30" Widescreen TV and the problem went away. I like the TV better than the Samsung anyways, so it's all good now.

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[kbtoyz902]

Man. I didn't even look at the date. LOL.

Is it the 30xs995 you got, or the 30hs420? I think that the XS is the greatest TV line available right now(or was), and at the clearance prices you can find that line for, I wouldn't dare buy an LCD or some fixed pixel display in the same size range.The HS is great too, but I found the Panny's had more vivid color on default settings. And the case/screen size doesn't go well with my furniture.

[9TNine]

Man. I didn't even look at the date. LOL.

Is it the 30xs995 you got, or the 30hs420? I think that the XS is the greatest TV line available right now(or was), and at the clearance prices you can find that line for, I wouldn't dare buy an LCD or some fixed pixel display in the same size range.The HS is great too, but I found the Panny's had more vivid color on default settings. And the case/screen size doesn't go well with my furniture.

30HS420

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[leaveal]

what happens if you run progressive scan on a non-progressive scan TV?

i have this Sony 32" widescreen trinitron that has a hell of a lot of input jacks at the back, and i thought i'd try it out. so i turned Progressive scan on on PS2 Tekken 5. i got a stable image, but it looked like shit. the colors look misaligned. it's almost like i need 3D glasses to view it properly. i tried it on Xbox SFAC too. i got the same problem.

does this mean my TV doesn't support Progressive Scan?

[AmbiguousCrosup]

No it doesn't. It may support component but it's not true HD.

[leaveal]

alright, i just wanted to clear that up, since i remember reading somewhere that if your TV doesn't support Progressive Scan, you just get a messed up screen and no stable image. thanks.