Korean EVO2K5 Ticket 3s tourney vids

[laugh]

The first one I wrote isn't working correctly, so here it goes again.

As an effort to bring Korean capcom champ to evo2k5, Electric Cancel and I have teamed up to hold a tournament to send the winner to evo. The game of choice was Third Strike, and the tournament was held at Isu Theme Park on April 17th, 2005.

The format was double elim 2/3 for all matches except grand finals, which was 3/5.

25 Entrants

-Results-

Winner: asistryu (Yun/Yang); Kim SoonGu
2nd : WANG (aka KIN) (Ken/Chun); Park Dong Won
3rd : FGLB 1ho (aka scorpio) (Ken); Kim HyoHoon
4th : Silver (Ken/Chun); Choi ChangYeol
5th : Nuu (Urien/Dudley); Jung KiWook

The vids are hosted on Korean GGXX#R Theater (http://www.k-ggxx.wo.to), thanks to drumshot. There is at least 1 more video of the preliminary matches in the encodings. These will be done and uploaded in a few days. The post will be edited with new vid, when it gets uploaded.

Thanks to all the cool cats that made this possible; namely tomhilfiger of Electric Cancel, Korean 3s players and #r players, Daum 3s cafe (http://cafe.daum.net/SF3TS), Isu Theme Park, and myself.

See ya'll at evo in VEGAS!

[kofiend]

a korean champ that uses twins? OMFG finally

[ramza]

thanks for the vids, but honestly I can't see Asistryu going that far, his Yun seems kinda tentative in GJ mode. Wish him the best of luck though, Korea represent~~~

[misterbean97]

wow, not bad. nice to know that koreans at korea aren't bad at 3s. how's the usual cvs2/3s at korea? i'm gonna be in seoul in mid july.

[shinobidj]

dont sleep on the korean capcom scene

[5 star]

hey laugh i heard from my close sources that you've been talking shit saying how the top korean players can beat the US, especially the FF players at 3s.

how about i issue a personal challenge. the whole korean team that comes for 3s at evo, against me by myself. for $200. this can be 1v1, or 1v20.

ok. too easy no fun?

[kofiend]

i think the guy is coming by himself, its a far ass flight

[laugh]

hey laugh i heard from my close sources that you've been talking shit saying how the top korean players can beat the US, especially the FF players at 3s.

how about i issue a personal challenge. the whole korean team that comes for 3s at evo, against me by myself. for $200. this can be 1v1, or 1v20.

ok. too easy no fun?

hey yi. I think I know which close source. haha

I gotta tell him that some FF Ken player wants to give him $200 bucks, and when he answers, I'll let you know bro.

The whole Korean team's gonna be just him. You know my Ken (fear it!). It's gonna be 1vs1.

ok. sounds fun.

[laugh]

Yi, he agreed. First to 10 games, winner keeps the characters. $200 it is. Better bring that cash with you, cuz we know who's getting who's dollarz

[SaBrE]

i dunno. i watched those vids. koreans seem ok at 3s. i think FF guys would tear em up tho. but then again, vids can be deceiving. be interesting

[ThyAllMighty]

yeah, koreans play pretty smart though, like they are really patient and no fear with footsies, like they'll stand in your face all day to bait a throw, but adaptation is the key, i don't know how they'll adapt to new styles of play

[ruin-]

Man i wanna see this shit FFA players = helllllla cocky I'm a laugh if the koreans win <3


I would say it be cool if we won cause the US 3s scene is good but ffa isnt part of the us :D

gl to yi though nig has a sick ken.

[paulee]

Yi, he agreed. First to 10 games, winner keeps the characters. $200 it is. Better bring that cash with you, cuz we know who's getting who's dollarz

man, i want a piece of this...

**from the videos i've seen.. i think yi takes this in a cakewalk.

[KillerKai]

i got 20 on yi. anyone want to sidebet?

[ruin-]

i got 20 for the random korean let's go kai <3

[let blood run]

i will bet 5 star will win all 10 games in less that 10 minutes. and with at least 5 perfects.

[KillerKai]

:badboy: chobozzle: you're on :badboy:

Edit:
anyway, just saw the vids. while i firmly believe you can never really give an accurate judgement on someone's skill based on their vids, i didn't see anything that scares me more than some of the So Cal 3s players. The guy looked solid. Just not scary.

[dogface]

Yi, I didn't know you liked Korean food, cause you're gonna eat this guy.

[paulee]

:badboy: chobozzle: you're on :badboy:

Edit:
anyway, just saw the vids. while i firmly believe you can never really give an accurate judgement on someone's skill based on their vids, i didn't see anything that scares me more than some of the So Cal 3s players. The guy looked solid. Just not scary.

that's because you're not very familiar with the game. these players have big flaws in their playstyles. they have decent hit confirm, but you can tell that they aren't very experienced with top level play. I would say they're about 3 years behind FFA.

[KillerKai]

just wondering paul, but what are some of the more outstanding flaws you noticed?

[C Royd]

I put $50 on yi jerking off to men.

<3 Yi

[evilj]

yeah what are the flaws?
and it's only gonna be the yang/yun player anyway.
i admit the way they play looks less active than the us/japanese vids, and not that impressive, the yun/yang playe even looks stiff. but it seems any high level play koreans play safe. but since i dunno the game that well, what are the flaws?

[paulee]

Starting with the runner up:

1) His poke and move selection was poor. ie. whiffing forward fierce in front of the twins. that's highly punishable and easy to parry. also.. he should not be using cr.strong, or cr.fierce at all.

Cr.strong is a worse version of cr.forward (slightly more range), but it's slower, is easy to punish, less priority, and no possibility of hit confirm into super. It's typical to see this from cvs2 players playing 3s.. ie buktooth. Yes there are uses for this move, but sparingly and not in this matchup.

cr.fierce, similar reason, slow start up, low priority, worse than cr.jab or cr.forward.

2) it's obvious the chun can't hit confirm off of the fierce, taking away a big part of her game, yang can parry down and not worry about getting hit high.

3) he was trying to punish parried dive kicks with throws or b.fiercexxfb. both are bad ideas. twins can usually jump out of throw attempts or tech it for free. low upside. b.fiercexxfb is bad because it misses quite frequently and the twins may bounce and get free hits (hard to explain). the appropriate response to a parried dive kick is st.rh (close) buffer into super, or slightly worse option is cr.foward into hit confirm.

yeah, koreans play pretty smart though, like they are really patient and no fear with footsies, like they'll stand in your face all day to bait a throw, but adaptation is the key, i don't know how they'll adapt to new styles of play

it's funny that you say this, because this is exactly what they WERE NOT doing. chun's strength, is to get in your face, and kara throw you from max range. she force whiff throw attempts and punish with saII. this chun wasn't doing this at all. she should be knocking down the twins and forcing them to guess.

[paulee]

fuck i just deleted my post on the yun/yang player and i'm not rewriting the damn thing. i'll try to summarize.

the yang wasn't creating enough opportunities to do damage. ie knocking down the opponent and creating throw/rekka mixup. (pretty much the opposite of what ThyAllMighty said)

the yun is ok, but he doesn't know how to punish chun's body frame properly, which indicates inexperience. Ie when in Genei Jin, when she's in the corner he can command throw-launch- dash-then- palm strike, and finish.

his overall genei jin game is fairly weak. yes can do the combos, that's basic. however, when his opponent was blocking, he was having problems creating damage and he seemed extremely hesitant to command throw or else he fucked it up.. again, all marks of inexperience. without the command throw, yun misses out on doing a min. 15% damage and more importantly, generating 35% of his meter back.

watch a match of pyro's, he will genei jin 3-4 times per round against a skilled opponent. this guy was averaging 1-2.

[Silentness!]

I'll bet 10 dollars that everyone will learn from this and it will be a good day.

(Thanks to "Not Another Teen Movie" showed over 10x on Comedy Central)

[stream3]

i average 5 GJ's a round, i must be the shit. :karate:

[XenoTiger]

wow they play pretty unorthodox...

Bet should be interesting, but I'm sure U.S. can win the bet. Didn't even realize there would be any kind of SF community in Korea, and community looks to be pretty weak compared to other games (duh). As paulee stated, they do seem to lack a lot of experience and competition as I'm sure 3s is hard to find in Korean arcades.

[ramza]

He can always depend on Tekken 5 money matches to profit, even if he lost. Because we all know Koreans own that shit for free, even if they've never played it before(Oh, it's just like T3...*goes on to beast mode*~)

[kofiend]

from what i heard, this guy adapts really fast, he s been the korean capcom champ for couple years in a row now, koreans don t take pride in capcom games(like second to last popular game in korea) but still..mofo can t be a champ for no reason.

paul is right though, most anyone whos played the game can spot his flaws pretty easily, but can t forget he has players of less calibur for competition(as opposed to the US, jap, etc.).

i also have thoughts that his play style can tighten up, people wise up

[shadowcharlie]

a better idea would have been to get top #r players from over there to attend since their #R is more well known/solid then their sf. -_-

[Saotome Kaneda]

Random Korean for teh win...? Why does that fit so well no matter what game you put next to that quote? :confused:

[laugh]

the yang wasn't creating enough opportunities to do damage. ie knocking down the opponent and creating throw/rekka mixup. (pretty much the opposite of what ThyAllMighty said)

the yun is ok, but he doesn't know how to punish chun's body frame properly, which indicates inexperience. Ie when in Genei Jin, when she's in the corner he can command throw-launch- dash-then- palm strike, and finish.

his overall genei jin game is fairly weak. yes can do the combos, that's basic. however, when his opponent was blocking, he was having problems creating damage and he seemed extremely hesitant to command throw or else he fucked it up.. again, all marks of inexperience. without the command throw, yun misses out on doing a min. 15% damage and more importantly, generating 35% of his meter back.

watch a match of pyro's, he will genei jin 3-4 times per round against a skilled opponent. this guy was averaging 1-2.

He already knows that Chun's got a huge ass and does the combo you mentioned, just not in the vids.

Hesitant to command throw? Yun's GJ mode game isn't just block strings and command grabs, and I'm sure you know that. He was going for uoh and other overheads for damage and setups, but KIN just blocked amazingly well that day.

Watch SBO3 3s semi-finals and finals again. KO fucked up command throw in GJ mode against Hayao and didn't go for command grabs everytime someone blocked and in fact he sometimes finished his GJ mode with close to no damage and without a single pixel of meter gained, a definite sign of weekness and lack of high level experience according to your logic.

KO was averaging 1-2 GJ's per round in both the semi finals and finals also. According to your logic and the reason provided for the said judgement of yours, either his opponents weren't skilled or KO sucks.

Why isn't pyro "creating enough opportunities to do damage" when he was activating 3-4 GJ's per round and when he knows for sure that he can do at least 15% damage in GJ. Based on your statistics of pyro's Yun, I'd say pyro is inefficient with GJ and Yun and doesn't do much damage. (pretty much the opposite of what you said)

[paulee]

Ok laugh AIM'ed me and extended the challenge to all takers.

$200 first to 10, i'm in.

and i'll front the dough for any ff player going to Evo who wants to play for money as well. vic/frankie? any takers?

[Leviathan IIDX]

i might not be as experienced as the ffa folks, but i did watch the matches and noticed the following. -

kin:
- used low mp quite frequently.
- wasn't abusing the most abused mindgame in the game - wakeup games: kara throw, hit confirm.

asistryu:
- after command grabbing chun, it seemed like he could've sneaked in more palms but he didn't. (s.mk, dash -> palm)
- stayed in chun's face when he had no bar... imo kinda dangerous for yun.

otherwise, these players seem to have solid defense.

yi: sup! tape the matches k?

[laugh]

Ok laugh AIM'ed me and extended the challenge to all takers.

$200 first to 10, i'm in.

and i'll front the dough for any ff player going to Evo who wants to play for money as well. vic/frankie? any takers?

I'll ask him everytime someone challenges him and confirm it here.

laugh

[KnownasWolf]

Someone is going to make some money and if the Korean dude looses how is he going to get back to Korea he will be broke as fuck and probably have to trade in his ticket to pay people :xeye:

What happens if 50 people challange him and he accepts than he will get jumped before he makes it to Evo since you know he's loaded with money :wow:

[dogface]

Laugh,

Yo man, I'll bet you 50 bucks Yi beats this guy. Wanna do it? I'll for sure be at EVO.

[pyrolee]

I just saw the matches.

Yi will win it for sure. They lack knowledge of the game.

[Muskau]

I wonder if there was a message board back in 2002 when the Japanese were criticising the americans on their lack of 3S knowledge, seems so ironic now hahaa.

[pyrolee]

I wonder if there was a message board back in 2002 when the Japanese were criticising the americans on their lack of 3S knowledge, seems so ironic now hahaa.
Probably, everyone in the USA sucked back in 2002.

[Mark Beast]

Man i wanna see this shit FFA players = helllllla cocky I'm a laugh if the koreans win <3


I would say it be cool if we won cause the US 3s scene is good but ffa isnt part of the us :D

gl to yi though nig has a sick ken.
^^^^^

basically a vid of this shit would be crazy. i hope yi wins but if the korean dude wins *shrugs*

[laugh]

This just came from the man himself.

"솔직히 게임에 돈내기는 별로 안내킨다. 그것도 200불!! 한국에선 큰돈!! (서드한판이 100원)한국 기계로 한다면 불만없이 하겠지만 일본쪽 스틱을 경험한 나로썬 스틱에 있어서 걱정이 좀 된다. 그러나 일단 들어온 승부. 미국,일본에 비해 사람수나 고급 플레이어가 없는 만큼 실력이 딸리는 건 어쩔수 없는일. 하지만 5star,파이로리, 프랭키 등등 너희들이 나에게 절대 이길자신이 있는 것처럼 나두 이길 자신이 있다. 서로 간에 실력이 어쨌든 큰 대회에 같이 참가하는 사람으로써 누가 지든간에 앞으로도 잘 지내자.



p.s 파이로리, 프랭키여 일본에서는 거의 못붙거나 스틱 적응에 많은 시간을 뺏겨 실망을 준거 같다.

미국에서는 많은 대전을 할 수 있었으면 좋겠다."

"Honestly, money matches aren't that attractive to me, and it's a whopping $200!! It's a lot of money here in Korea. (a game of 3s = 100 won/roughly $0.10) If it was on a Korean cabinet, I'd gladly play w/o a complaint, but since I've experienced Japanese sticks (in a negative way) it worries me a little. But a match proposed is what it is. It's inevitable that there aren't as many 3s players or as many high level players compared to the US/Jap, but just like you 5star/pyrolee/frankie etc are confident that you'll win against me, I am just as confident. Whatever the skill level might be, as contestants of a big event like Evolution, let's be cool regardless of who loses or wins in the future.

p.s. To pyrolee and frankie, I think I hardly had a chance to play against you two or lost a lot of time due to stick adjusting, thus failed to impress.

I hope we can play a lot in the States."

This is his words to all the Americans on the matter of all these money match proposals, which seems to be getting out of control.

[starboy]

No such thing as money matches getting outta control!

[pyrolee]

..
Oh he was in japan for SBO? I remember him then, I thought KO said he was chinese, but my japanese is shitty.

If that's the case there's no need for the money matches, FFA > Korea.

[kofiend]

i think 06 will be a better year for koreans from korea

[laugh]

Oh he was in japan for SBO? I remember him then, I thought KO said he was chinese, but my japanese is shitty.

If that's the case there's no need for the money matches, FFA > Korea.

I think you're talking about real chinese people. I also heard that the chinese were at the pre-sbo tourney at Newton.

There were 2 Koreans that played overnight at Gamer's Vision.

It was a mistake on my part if the general conscience is that Koreans were talking mad shit about FF 3s, the Koreans are not antagonistic to anyone.

[starboy]

Oh well, at least we can safely say Koreans>france. France sucks really bad at 3s.

[dogface]

Laugh,

Yo dood, atleast respond to me.

I got 50 on Yi against your Korean champ. You down for it?

[ramza]

To be fair tho, he himself says he hasn't had a good experience with Jap sticks, and I extremely doubt there's going to be any Korean sticks at EVO.

[chunkis]

those vids sucked

[Buktooth]

hey laugh, i dont think i ever played you before. money match me in cvs2 :tup:

[laugh]

Laugh,

Yo dood, atleast respond to me.

I got 50 on Yi against your Korean champ. You down for it?

No thanks.

[Rico!]

Hey buktooth, is that your iori/morrigan/hibiki team in those T5 casual vids? Iori was owning everyone.

[pyrolee]

There were 2 Koreans that played overnight at Gamer's Vision.

Yeah that was them at vision. I live there :party:

[stream3]

I wonder if there was a message board back in 2002 when the Japanese were criticising the americans on their lack of 3S knowledge, seems so ironic now hahaa.

that was before we x-copied all their strats from vids. muahaha

and we still can't beat them :p altho the gap is closer.

[Robust]

I haven't seen the vids but i have 100 on paul lee and Mike Watson. And 10 bucks me vs. paul in cvs2 BED IT

[Muskau]

What do the Korean sticks look like? Are they American style? Europe Style?

[KING]

they look funky and flimsy. i tried playing on one, when laugh used to bring his korean stick over to our gatherings.

they're pretty responsive, though. heh.

[LB]

well, last time i was in korea, i didn't know shit about 3s and got raped by korean players and us players. in fact, i still don't know shit about the game and get raped by 100% of ffa 3s players and 99% of other 3s players. so i can't judge skills or experience, but i'll just try to bring some sense into this thread.

first of all, i don't know why would laugh talk shit for someone else in the first place. asistryu nor any other koreans haven't talked shit about any US players. in fact, some of them who had a chance to play the FFA players in japan were quite amused. i hope none of you guys are offended by what laugh personally is saying. i believe yi kind of overreacted by challenging someone who's not even part of the talk to a 200 dollar match, and believe he should have bet Laugh that he will beat the korean champ in a game as dogface has done. (and was subsequently rejected. i wonder why) please don't account what laugh has said to what the korean 3s players have said. have respect for both parties please.

second of all, i understand that a very big part of the game is experience, but the player plays a big part too. korean champ really didn't have much competition and thus experience as a lot of you say. don't discount the player for things he couldn't control.

lastly, try to be civil. asistryu didn't even talk shit in the first place, and now we already have 2 people challenging him for 200 dollars each with possibly more on the way. it seems like asistryu is just accepting the bet because of the circumstances. he would never even have thought of having one, definately not for 200 dollars. (hella money in korea)

i seriously believe all bets should go off at this point. just have some fucking fun and play the fucking game. it seems it's even more than an ego thing, and turned into a pride thing.

if you want to play for ego, do it personally when you guys are face to face and work out the shit there. creating unnecessary hype and hate should be avoided.

[TSC]

i seriously believe all bets should go off at this point. just have some fucking fun and play the fucking game.

Agreed 100%...good call.

[ramza]

Just reading the tone of some the responses here, and then actually reading Asist response(we should all be able to read Korean....or not), it's clear he's on a different level than you all(of course you all come off as if $200 is chump change0 0). If he really were interested in money from gaming, I'm sure he wouldn't fuck around with 3S. Especially in Korea where pro gamers(ie, Starcraft players) are treated as celebrities, they're featured on cable channels and actually have profile pages on Korean search engines.

[EndLeSS8]

This is going to be one of my highlights when I got to evo...it's going to be epic.

[Shogo]

There were 2 Koreans that played overnight at Gamer's Vision.

hey wait a minute...I think I have footage...no joke...Casual play of Frankie playing them against his Yun...Black Yun vs. Red Yun

Yes, Frankie plays Yun too

[paulee]

first of all, i don't know why would laugh talk shit for someone else in the first place. asistryu nor any other koreans haven't talked shit about any US players. in fact, some of them who had a chance to play the FFA players in japan were quite amused. i hope none of you guys are offended by what laugh personally is saying. i believe yi kind of overreacted by challenging someone who's not even part of the talk to a 200 dollar match, and believe he should have bet Laugh that he will beat the korean champ in a game as dogface has done. (and was subsequently rejected. i wonder why) please don't account what laugh has said to what the korean 3s players have said. have respect for both parties please.


I agree. Let's switch the bet. $200 of your money laugh.

[J Blaze]

Oh well, at least we can safely say Koreans>france. France sucks really bad at 3s.

Where and when have you seen France play 3s? And who?

I've heard positive comments from Billykane and Mymoza about US players. But in the SBO threards no one ever talked about team France.

Pyrolee, Frankie3s : can you give us your thoughts about team france at SBO/japan?

[The Chef]

Hey I thought France was good at 3s?!

Well of course they get owned by Japanese at SBO.. but maybe France vs USA might be interesting.
France has always been > UK for 3s. But I think UK is beginning to catch up, next time might be closer.

Rehan (Dead Man Inc.)

[nothingxs]

Billykane and Mymoza seem solid from what I've seen of them in videos.

Anyways, yeah, this got pretty out of hand. Play nice, kids. :P

I've been hearing some good shit about Korean sticks recently. How short is the throw? I know they're bat top and the bat seems to have almost no shaft at all, but I've heard they're responsive as all hell. It might make for an interesting stick-building project.

[Silentness!]

Screw Korean/Japanese sticks.... lets see them American Sticks!!! =)

[RaJu_]

Which ever dickhead said france suck at 3s has no idea what shes on about.

and yes, like chef said, UK aint far behind now :clap:

[san-tokie]

korean sticks look funky (http://img200.echo.cx/img200/5899/p5270044resize9za.jpg) :xeye:

anyway good luck to korea, their #r game is way better than 3s

[dogface]

No thanks.

Wow dood, way to back up your boy. I mean, here he is, willing to wager 200 bucks in 10 matches, and you have so little faith in him, you won't bet a FOURTH of that?

Well I guess that proves that you know FFA is better.

[5 star]

i agree with what LB has to say and i would rather put my $200 up against laugh's $200. however, the korean guy could just be acting all humble now that everyones trying to money match him. who knows, whatever it is, i'm still up for the first to 10

[Hol Horse]

Oh well, at least we can safely say Koreans>france. France sucks really bad at 3s.

mmmmmh... no.
if you compare this vids to 2001 french vids, yes. But not now.

Judging from those vids, actually the best Korean 3s player doesn't live in Korea but in Italy (Shirl, our best player, has Korean origins).

[kesh!]

hey guys, i love you all.

[kesh!]

:tup: hooray for boobies! :tup:

[J Blaze]

Just watched the videos. These guys are very good.

[Korean Jordan]

yi wannnnnnnnnnnng!