what does Frankie 3S do witn Ryu, that others Ryu users can't do ?

[Ryu & Ken]

I know I have made some shit threads lately, i admit that ?

BUT

What the hell does he do, style wise that we can't copy, I mean Alex Valle was NEVER that god with Ryu compared to F.3S

I saw Evo 2002 when Valle played and if F3S played I reckon he would have won all 5 matches.
I mean is F.3S a master parrier, rush down expert, combo god or a opportunist or what,as I can't pin down what he does.

OK Denjin helps but how does he make denjin so god as when I use it, peeps parry it.

PyroLee ur input would be good as u know the man plus, if he gets beat ur the last line of defense it a on 3 or 2 on 2 battle so I take it u must be better as I would always put my best player last.

[DooM]

in 2002 Americans didnt know jack shit about 3S, not even unblockables

[Ponta-kun]

Correction: SOME Americans didn't know jack shit about 3S.

Fun fact: Some Americans still don't know jack shit about 3S.

[kal el]

What the hell does he do, style wise that we can't copy, I mean Alex Valle was NEVER that god with Ryu compared to F.3S

I saw Evo 2002 when Valle played and if F3S played I reckon he would have won all 5 matches.
I mean is F.3S a master parrier, rush down expert, combo god or a opportunist or what,as I can't pin down what he does.

OK Denjin helps but how does he make denjin so god as when I use it, peeps parry it.


1) Frankie reads people very well. that's not style. it's instinct and natural skill. so you cannot copy that. if you don't have it to begin with, you won't have it later on. also, Valle never really liked 3s (or so i've heard), so he didn't put as much into it as the other games he enjoyed playing. he's one of the all time best in US fighting game history (if you wanna call it that :lol:), so i'm sure he'd be super good if he wanted to be.

2) you can't say that Frankie would have won all 5 matches just like that. in EVO2k2, Valle played vs. Ohnuki and Tokido (among others) if i recall correctly and those 2 alone are crazy good. so good they're sick. sure Tokido doesn't play 3s much anymore, but at that time, he pretty much introduced the rest of the world to Aegis beasting. no one was prepared for it. so while Frankie is one of the best now, back then it would probably have been a much different outcome because of the lack of knowledge.

3) peeps parry your Denjin because i'm guessing you give it away. if you release Denjin from full screen range or something, hell yeah anyone who can parry is gonna parry it. you gotta think more when using that super. you can't expect it to just hit. i haven't seen you play so i can't say what you're doing wrong or right.

:rock:

[Rei]

Street Drugs.

[nothingxs]

When playing Denjin, do it so you're at most one character length away from your opponent. Keep charging, wait a quick moment and then release it. With any luck they will have stepped forward early and fucked up a parry and will eat full Denjin.

If you're doing it from a bit farther, you will have to set it up so that they are forced to block or parry a (preferably jab) fireball, then Denjin so that it hits somewhat behind that at a random time.

Don't do Denjin if you're farther than 3 character lengths away.

[Septimus Prime]

It appears to me that Frankie3S has an insanely good mix-up game. He mixes highs and lows well, and, when it comes to Denjin, he REALLY mixes it up. Sometimes he'll release late (right after his opponent tries to parry), sometimes early (right over his opponent), and sometimes he'll blow his meter on EX moves (which people don't really expect from a Denjin Ryu).

Anyway, my Ryu is ass, but I've been trying to copy Frankie3S's late Denjin style, and it's working extremely well—so well that I might switch over to full-time SA3 Ryu (except against Alex, Oro, and Urien, who can just fly over and kick my ass with EX moves).

[Ponta-kun]

Don't forget that it's a terrible idea to use Denjin against Akuma, who can just teleport out of any setup, no matter how good your timing is.

[KnownasWolf]

Yang sucks a bit also so does Ibuki who can slide under. But you can still do setups on these guys even Akuma. Just do close mk > close dp > cancel into denjin.

Also you can get a setup on Akuma by doing a combo on him that stuns him so I disagree about not using Denjin against Akuma.

[Ponta-kun]

What, for one hit from denjin? Unless you know that one hit will stun him it's a waste of meter.

You can't do any setups on Akuma, even if he gets up and the fireball is overlapping his sprite, he can reversal teleport, and Ryu has no way to punish him for it unless he's more than half a screen away. And if you already managed to stun him, the other two supers would be much better to use, because by the time you've done enough damage to stun him, it's easy to combo into SA1, or just hit with SA2, and kill him. Denjin is a TERRIBLE choice against Akuma. There is no sense in arguing it, it's just a bad super to use in that matchup, especially when you could be trying to land Shin-shoryuken or do EX fireballs all day.

Yang's teleport isn't invulnerable, and the release of Denjin is 1 frame, so if you're quick enough to see him start up, just let go and it 'll smack him in the face. Ibuki has to be in the right range for her slide to get her out of the setups. It's viable against them. But using Denjin against Akuma is like deciding not to use meter on anything for the entire match.

[KnownasWolf]

Please read the other threads before you post about not good against Akuma. You can stun him with a denjin combo jump fierce > close standing fierce > denjin (charge for 2 hits) Akuma stunned.

Also Akuma has a small ass stun bar so how are you going to tell there is no use arguing? Play how you want to play but denjin owns Akuma hard. I don't care if I am getting my ass busted the entire round all I need is denjin stun and it's over or even again.

Check out the other threads C-Royd has some nice setups there for Akuma. Also I am not talking about Yangs teleport that thing sucks I am talking about SA 2 or even qcf kk.

[MajinRyu]

But using Denjin against Akuma is like deciding not to use meter on anything for the entire match.You say Denjin against Akuma is useless, the go back and watch Frankie3s beat JR Akuma with Denjin.

Setups you can use against Akuma are:

st.mk(block)lp srk xx Denjin
st.mp (far) lp hadoken xx Denjin
st.hk (anti-air) hadoken xx Denjin

Those are setups you can use, you can say he can teleport out of every one and is true but is easier say than done.

[nothingxs]

It appears to me that Frankie3S has an insanely good mix-up game. He mixes highs and lows well, and, when it comes to Denjin, he REALLY mixes it up. Sometimes he'll release late (right after his opponent tries to parry), sometimes early (right over his opponent), and sometimes he'll blow his meter on EX moves (which people don't really expect from a Denjin Ryu).

Anyway, my Ryu is ass, but I've been trying to copy Frankie3S's late Denjin style, and it's working extremely well—so well that I might switch over to full-time SA3 Ryu (except against Alex, Oro, and Urien, who can just fly over and kick my ass with EX moves).
Alex, Oro and Urien cannot fly over and kick your ass with EX moves if you know when to release. There's only certain cases where you have to be careful. Alex's Stungun Headbutt, for example. If the Denjin's right on top, they'll eat the Denjin unless they try to parry. They don't get that much invincibility on the way up to the point they can completely avoid it.

About Akuma: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I stun Akumas (that don't suck at all, might I add) for free all the damn time. He has a miniature stun bar. You HAVE to know how to set that Denjin up, though.

[Muskau]

After using Denjin for a short while, I've realised how much denjin compliments Ryu's overall gameplan. Ryu has a strong corner, and great wakeup game, Denjin just makes it that more Deadly.

Out of all the Ryu footage I've ever seen, Frankie3S has been the only player I've seen thats used Denjin to its best.

[Ryu & Ken]

You say Denjin against Akuma is useless, the go back and watch Frankie3s beat JR Akuma with Denjin.

Setups you can use against Akuma are:

st.mk(block)lp srk xx Denjin
st.mp (far) lp hadoken xx Denjin
st.hk (anti-air) hadoken xx Denjin

Those are setups you can use, you can say he can teleport out of every one and is true but is easier say than done.

do u have that match ?

[MajinRyu]

do u have that match ?
yes I have:

12-13-2003 UCLA 3s Frankie3s vs JRrodriguez

[Ryu & Ken]

yes I have:

12-13-2003 UCLA 3s Frankie3s vs JRrodriguez

can u PM me that match PLEASE or give a lnk

[Lightning]

What does Frankie3S have?
It seems to me like confidence, skill, and apparently a lot of time on his hands for practicing. lol.

[Kaistar]

He's smart and understands how the game should be played. As simple as that.

[Ryu & Ken]

I would like to see Frankie 3S vs MMM

[nanitaberu]

Ryu dun need no denjin to stun Akuma

denjin may not be totally useless against Akuma, but if you want to take his short stun guage into the arguement, then take his short health guage too. landing SA2 against akuma = game won.

with denjin ryu's high/low mixup gets weakened. cr.mk > ex fireball = no access to denjin. no short short super.

SA1 and SA2 is already the preferred super art for most ryu players, so i won't list their qualities vs. denjin because ppl who play denjin are usually doing it for style more than for effectiveness anyways.

also, when it comes to denjin.. a lot of ppl tend to base their entire game around lending the denjin. which isn't wrong entirely, because with not much access to EX moves and little reason to be patient, denjin doesn't offer any other style of gameplay.

so when someone said denjin compliments Ryu's overall game, i'd say it does but not as well as SA1 or SA2. in other words, no not really it doesn't.

[Blazn]

im not as patient especially when im in low life.. Im nowhere near patient.. so thats why I prefer sa1 =)

[Muskau]

so when someone said denjin compliments Ryu's overall game, i'd say it does but not as well as SA1 or SA2. in other words, no not really it doesn't.

But from what I see in some cases, SA1 and SA2 Ryu is like playing a neutered SA1 and SA2 Ken. About the only thing Ryu has that is considered better than Ken are his kara-throw, his faster EX Hado, the EX Joudan, and the fact that Shinkuu would completey connect in an anti-air situation, and can possibly full screen punish.

The fact that most of Ryu's specials have a focus on knockdown, and knocking the opponent away make me think that Denjin makes Ryu far more threatening in the followup situations, just as Aegis and basically any of Dudley's supers make them more threatening in the corner.

[AKumar]

this thread sucks

[Ryu & Ken]

this thread sucks

I bet all the Akuma *** players say that in the Akuma thread

[AKumar]

what?

(filler)

[Kaistar]

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The main style of Denjin play should not be focused on landing Denjin but rather focused on two things: maintaining as high of stun as possible, and manuevering the opponent into the corner to limit opponents' options. I suppose that indirectly, this all leads to landing the Denjin because the point of this is to build meter quick for Denjin and to limit options for the opponent.

As for the practicality of Denjin opposed to SA1 or SA2... Ryu has a different objective and style in mind when playing Denjin. The usefulness is still there, but the game takes on a different atmosphere.

[Hcparker]

The main style of Denjin play should not be focused on landing Denjin but rather focused on two things: maintaining as high of stun as possible, and manuevering the opponent into the corner to limit opponents' options. I suppose that indirectly, this all leads to landing the Denjin because the point of this is to build meter quick for Denjin and to limit options for the opponent.

As for the practicality of Denjin opposed to SA1 or SA2... Ryu has a different objective and style in mind when playing Denjin. The usefulness is still there, but the game takes on a different atmosphere.

I think two of Ryu's goals should always be maintaining as high of stun as possible and cornering his opponent just for pratical reasons. It's how his meter is used that affects how he's played more then anything else.

[Ryu & Ken]

another thing I do which has worked (unless I have played shit players), is throw someone with back and throw and then weak FB and cancel into Denjin.

If they jump eat denjin, unless they parry or if they look like they will block the FB, throw Denjin.

As I said they could be shit players who fall for this

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

I know I have made some shit threads lately, i admit that ?

BUT

What the hell does he do, style wise that we can't copy, I mean Alex Valle was NEVER that god with Ryu compared to F.3S

I saw Evo 2002 when Valle played and if F3S played I reckon he would have won all 5 matches.
I mean is F.3S a master parrier, rush down expert, combo god or a opportunist or what,as I can't pin down what he does.

OK Denjin helps but how does he make denjin so god as when I use it, peeps parry it.

PyroLee ur input would be good as u know the man plus, if he gets beat ur the last line of defense it a on 3 or 2 on 2 battle so I take it u must be better as I would always put my best player last.

That's what I want to know too. Yes, he's a good Ryu user, but WTF does he do with SA3 that no one else can do?

When I read about him, I thought maybe he can combo SA3 and stuff, but his set-ups are easy to do.

[Stuart Hayden]

Frankie3S = All reaction.

He plays a very calm but balls out fashion.

You don't get why or how he wins until you play him. And then you go "Oh..."

-SH

[kof4life]

He has naturally good reaction speed as well as a talent for the game. You can't really learn what he does. You either have it or you don't. I don't. That's why I'm trying to also learns SA1 so my weak Denjin game doesn't become a liability.

[Stuart Hayden]

In all seriousness though.

Frankie3S is a beast cause he's made of weed.

-SH

[DevilJin 01]

So when should we arrange the wedding for this guy and Frankie?

[Stuart Hayden]

So when should we arrange the wedding for this guy and Frankie?

:rofl:

Naw, I just respect the dude helluh.
The FFA vids were one of the big reasons I got into 3S.
So I have a lot of respect for all of them.

[pherai]

He guesses really fucking well.

[Sanchez]

Alex's Stungun Headbutt, for example. If the Denjin's right on top, they'll eat the Denjin unless they try to parry. They don't get that much invincibility on the way up to the point they can completely avoid it.

Minor correction--Reversal Stungun will beat out meaty Denjin. It's completely invincible on the way up. The falling part has no invincibility and loses to nearly everything so it is possible to make Alex land on the Denjin's release albeit difficult.

Dude, Pherai! Stop giving away how the magic is done.

[Duralath]

Minor correction--Reversal Stungun will beat out meaty Denjin. It's completely invincible on the way up. The falling part has no invincibility and loses to nearly everything so it is possible to make Alex land on the Denjin's release albeit difficult.

Dude, Pherai! Stop giving away how the magic is done.

Every magician's tricks get revealed at one time or another.

Frankie...yes, guesses really...really...REALLY fucking well. Too bad I haven't seen him play in like...a year or so. But I know he still plays.

[pherai]

Dude, Pherai! Stop giving away how the magic is done.

Haha, well the way I see it, Franks playing is the closest thing to magic there is in 3s. If a magician (the performing type) explained that his tricks were real magic, theres no way you'd be able to reproduce it. Same goes with Frank.

[Mechanica]

Frankie3S is a beast cause he's made of weed.

Hahaha.


So when should we arrange the wedding for this guy and Frankie?

No! He's mine!

[sowutifmahsnsux]

everybody keeps saying that "frankie guesses really fucking well", but then you'd have to say that the japanese "guess really fucking well" too. thats just outplaying your opponent. japs always seem to fish for parries right in their opponents face, and their level of success is still pretty high. out play, out wit, STREET FIGHTER

[pherai]

I'm not just making this up. That's how Frankie describes his style.

[sowutifmahsnsux]

everybody keeps saying that "frankie guesses really fucking well", but then you'd have to say that the japanese "guess really fucking well" too. thats just outplaying your opponent. japs always seem to fish for parries right in their opponents face, and their level of success is still pretty high. out play, out wit, STREET FIGHTER

whoever neg repped me for this is a eunuch

[UltraDavid]

Arlieth is the only guy I've met who outguesses me better than Frankie. Those guys own me in guessing.

Also, using "eunuch" as an insult is hilarious. Shut up, eunuch! Sweet.

[pherai]

Arly's guessing is legendary. Dash up, sa2!

[Ryu & Ken]

holy shit and I thought only Gill had Resurrection

[YuuFone]

So where is Frankie3s anyway?

he doesn't seem to be playing anymore

i wanna see him play

[pherai]

So where is Frankie3s anyway?

he doesn't seem to be playing anymore

i wanna see him play

He doesn't play anymore :sad:

[kof4life]

It's a shame, really. He was taking the Denjin game to new heights, making it seem much better than people thought it to be. Too bad that's where the story ended.

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

It's a shame, really. He was taking the Denjin game to new heights, making it seem much better than people thought it to be. Too bad that's where the story ended.

You can't make Denjin "better" because all it has is 1 concept. Charge after a knockdown.

Frankie just catches people with the end chain srk -> denjin a lot which is why he is good.

And... Denjin is easily parried.

[UltraDavid]

Frankie had a million more setups than dragon punch to denjin. And it's only easy to parry if you get the first parry right, but that's just a straight up guess that does not go in your favor.

[kof4life]

You can't make Denjin "better" because all it has is 1 concept. Charge after a knockdown.

Frankie just catches people with the end chain srk -> denjin a lot which is why he is good.

And... Denjin is easily parried.

How much have you seen of Frankie? Really, he has MUCH more to his game than what you're mentioning here. He keeps the guessing games going all the time with Denjin. Ask the people who've played against him, or his old partner Pyrolee.

[J.D]

How much have you seen of Frankie? Really, he has MUCH more to his game than what you're mentioning here. He keeps the guessing games going all the time with Denjin. Ask the people who've played against him, or his old partner Pyrolee.


Cmon dude plase, dont take this dude seriously.

And for you, you cant NEVER know somebody untill you play him.
Observing gives you an idea but its never the same.
And judging by your post, you dont seem to have a lot of observation either.

In my opinion, this thread is somehow pointless since only people who have actually played Frankie3s can give a nice opinion.

[UltraDavid]

Actually a bunch of the people in this thread do have experience against Frankie. Me, Duralath, Pherai, Kaistar, and Sanchez, at least.

[Ryu & Ken]

It's a shame, really. He was taking the Denjin game to new heights, making it seem much better than people thought it to be. Too bad that's where the story ended.

When I was in FFA 2 weeks, I saw PyroLee and I asked him about frankie3s and he says that he doesn't come to FFA anymore.

Man at least I got to 2 play The best Yun player in America, however he used Chun Li but at least I got my SA2 to connect on him at least once

[pherai]

When I was in FFA 2 weeks, I saw PyroLee and I asked him about frankie3s and he says that he doesn't come to FFA anymore.

Man at least I got to 2 play The best Yun player in America, however he used Chun Li but at least I got my SA2 to connect on him at least once

Haha. From time to time he will go to Interface which is an arcade about 20 minutes west of FFA, but its a rare occurance.

[Kumer]

i'm assuming frankie makes denjin work because he mixes up when he releases it. i mean, that's the only way you'd able to hit an experienced player. release it a little later after they get up... and they'll parry early. be unpredictable.

if you know when it's coming, it's easy as hell to parry.

[C Royd]

"what does Frankie 3S do witn Ryu, that others Ryu users can't do ?"

Smoke a lot of weed.