So if Capcom is capable of CVS2, then why isn't CFE as good?...

[RagingStorm101]

People haven't warmed up to CFE and a lot said that it's not that great. But if CVS2 was able to be made, why wasn't CFE as great as CVS2? I mean, couldn't they just get the same people who worked on CVS2 to work on CFE?

[FMJaguar]

or they could take those people and make cvs2 into a good game. Capcom seems disinterested in doing either.

[omni]

who says those people still work at capcom?

and who says cvs2 is a good game?

Derek

[SNAAAAKE]

and who says cvs2 is a good game?



I DO *raises hand* :woot:

CFE isnt as good as cvs2 simply because its not supposed to be cvs3.Overall CFE is pretty good..I like !

[Remy Saotome]

I like CFE more than CvS2. The latter is boring turtlefest most of the time. CFE may not be particularly balanced, but it's enjoyable.

[Higher-Jin]

I heard that many of the artists weren't even there anymore in fact I heard they BARELY were ever to finish up ingrid.

I think they didn't want to put in alot of resources into this and so this is what we got personally i haven't played but I think i'd like cfe and I'd also like to say that I like cvs2

[ArcadeFire]

Capcom got lazy and shit.

[FMJaguar]

and who says cvs2 is a good game?

Derek

People who can't tell between a game that is accidentally fun, and an actually good game.

-Derek's fan club

[Sonic_Reaper]

Honestly the only thing I hated about CFE was due to the speed, the SFIII characters played like they were on crack. This meant that hit confirm for Chun Li wasn't very reliable and combos required the wrists of a God.

The only reason I like CvS2 is that the speed is so slow, you can sit your ass down and land near unbeatable anti-air normals one after the other. Other than that, CvS2 isn't particularly exciting.

[thedude.com]

CVS2 > 3s > cf3 ....

[X-Sapphire]

3S > CFJ > CvS2 ....

fixed it for you :karate:

CFJ isn't good because capcom is full of fuking idiots that can't spice things up and think of new shit, they're stuck on the same shit and they're not creative at all, they're original, but not creative.

[Superking]

Actually the reason why CFJ is like that is because it was made by one of Capcom's teams that don't make fighting games. It was headed by one of the DMC guys, those guys know stuff about stylish hard action, but when it comes to fighters they don't know as much. :confused:

[Korigama]

Actually the reason why CFJ is like that is because it was made by one of Capcom's teams that don't make fighting games. It was headed by one of the DMC guys, those guys know stuff about stylish hard action, but when it comes to fighters they don't know as much. :confused:

I thought it was headed by Keiji Inafune (Megaman, Onimusha)?

Besides, the director of DMC3 worked on 3S...

[Superking]

I thought it was headed by Keiji Inafune (Megaman, Onimusha)?

Besides, the director of DMC3 worked on 3S...

Nah it was some other guy, it wasn't Keiji Inafune, that guy is working on too many things to even be working on a rush job like CFJ. He had like Onimusha 3, Shin Onimusha, Shadow of Rome, etc...

Anyway the DMC guy involved was Yoshinori Ono, anyway they interviewed him on Gamespot about CFJ awhile back.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/capcomfightingjam/index.html

You can find the intervew there.

And the guys behind 3rd Strike are Yoshiki Okamoto and Noritaka Funamizu and those guys left Capcom years ago.

[Korigama]

My mistake, Inafune didn't lead it, but he was listed as executive producer.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1393914/

As for DMC3's director, it was CvS2 and Rival Schools that he worked on. No other fighters in the case of Ono, though.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1393914/

[FusionITR]

Who in their right mind would thingk CFJ is better than CVS2? Yes CVS2 is a bit on the turtle/boring side compared to 3S, but its still a WAY better game than CFJ. Infact, these days I'm starting to like CVS2 more than 3S.

[Onikage]

amen to fusion. And remember, cvs1 was about as garbage-y as they come. Takes capcom two or three tries lately to get a good game going it seems. Maybe CFJ 2 won't suck as much.

[cygnus]

because capcom got lazy

then they got lazier

then they made cfj

then they quit

[tsoteddy]

i think if cfe would have been a dummy (test version) it would be ok but not enough to perfect it, and their are some missing details for that game, anywho i was thinking the other day abd they can still make cvs3, as long as snk agrees and if snk agrees with capcom that capcom will make the game it will kick lots of ass but if snk makes it :tdown:

[ImagineVC]

what the fuck is this shit?
who's dissin CVS2?
alot of people say that there's alot of turtling involved in that game
i really don't know what any of you are talking about
i rarely play anyone that does excessive turtling
and if you do play someone that turtles, you know how many different grooves and characters there are?
come on idiots, there's like a million ways around it.
long live CVS2!!!

[nothingxs]

You should take CFE and CVS2 for different games, which they are. They have few similarities and are both good in their own right, in my opinion. I rather enjoy CFE but can't really enjoy CVS2 -- CFE is a lot more enjoyable to me.

CVS2 is a really good game, though.

But in the end, it's all about 3rd Strike...

[Master Chibi]

There's nothing wrong with CFJ, but it's just more than obvious that Capcom didn't quite give a damn for the game, so then why the hell would the fans? There's nothing in the game to abuse, and there isn't much anything NEW either, so there was little to discover. The actual novelty of the game (pitting characters from different games against one another) ran its course rather quickly as well.

I personally don't have a problem with the game, but there isn't much fun left in it, as there really wasn't any there to begin with anyway.

[Hollow]

The biggest problem I have with CvS2 is the balance issues concerning Sagat and Blanka, and the inclusion of rolls to grooves that never had themto begin with. KoF actually had a roll backwards also, and you didn't have so much freedom in what you could do after you roll. The inclusion of rolling makes CvS2 a turtlefest. CFJ just sucks donkey-ass from the back, plain and simple.

[white shadow]

I agree with everything SNAAAAKE said.

[Sano]

I agree with everything SNAAAAKE said.

Me too.

[booda]

So someone asks why CFE isn't as good as CvS2, implying that Capcom is capable of making good games so why isn't CFE good, and people instead argue about whether or not CvS2 is good. Way to miss the fucking point guys.

Hey, guess what? If you think 3S is a better game, then why isn't CFE as good as that? Same question really. Unfortunately, it has the same answer. Capcom makes little to no money on their fighting games, which has pushed the budget for them lower and lower. I'd also throw a lack of creativity into the explanation.

[Mr. Sakuraba]

Anyone who says that cvs2 is a turtle fest is just wrong, plain and simple. Oh and another reason is because of the balance issues with blanka and sagat? Pleeeeeease, People have learned to fight them, this isnt 2002

[supabeast]

CFE isn't good because it doesn't add anything new - it's just Capcom dragging out a bunch of characters for another versus game, except this time there's no SNK characters to make the versus aspect interesting. It sure as hell doesn't help that plenty of the characters in the game come from Red Earth and Jojo's, games that even most hard core gamers have never played.

If Capcom had made this one a value title it probably would have garnered a lot more interest. But by releasing the game at $40 Capcom managed to once again offend a customer base still miffed about not getting anything new since 1999 (I'm not counting CVS2 as new since it's just an update that makes CVS1 more interesting).

[Desk]

man I wish it did have some jojo's chara's in. on the subject of CFE do you reckon they should have stuck with allstars (the 3d one with strider and hagger)? anyone ever get to play this?

[Luckychrono777]

Why should they work that hard on it, if it isn't even gonna 200,000 copies?

[lung]

I don't know if any of you even knew, but this was to be Capcom of Japan's last Street Fighter game. They sold the rights of SF to Capcom America. So don't expect anything. This is probably the last 2D SF ever made, and I like the game.

[Donkus]

If it is final then it certainly is the end of an era. I doubt Capcom USA can come close to what Capcom of Japan did. At the very least they can ruin the story, for the six remaining people who care about it.

You'd think for their last game they'd go out with a bang...but no, Jedah started with that sprite, and by golly, he stayed there.

[El Maniatico]

YOUR STILL BITCHING ABOUT SPRITES AND GRAPHICS ON A STREETFIGHTER GAME? Wear a fucking helmet.

[TS]

Takes capcom two or three tries lately to get a good game going it seems.

Always has. SF1 was terrible, SF2 was glitchy and broken, Street Fighter Alpha 1 was bad, SF3: NG was awful, it's safe to assume Darkstalkers/Vampire was a piece of crap, etc...the first version of any fighting game (Tekken, VF, MK, whatever) is usually either broken, or, all of the characters play the same, or both. That doesn't mean they can't be fun (I think X-Men vs SF is the worst game ever, but people seem to still like it), but CFE doesn't even have that going for it.

Anyway, my problem with CFE was that they tried so hard to make everything balanced on the first try and at the same time wanted to throw a bunch of crap in...so they ended up toning everything down, so it's sorta just boring. Also, the whole character groove thing was gimmicky... It's not as kinetic as Marvel and not as solid as an SF game. That, and the stages are too big, and crossups are gone.

[mthegreatone]

who says those people still work at capcom?

and who says cvs2 is a good game?

Derek

well IMO CVS2 does have a degree of replayability. with all the grooves to master...it's hard for one to be considered a master of the game...

I don't know if any of you even knew, but this was to be Capcom of Japan's last Street Fighter game. They sold the rights of SF to Capcom America. So don't expect anything. This is probably the last 2D SF ever made, and I like the game.

well that's sad to hear. the only fighting game i've ever owned was cvs2. it's a good thing i have that for my xbox.

[archetype]

I played cfe for 1 day and haven't touched it since last dec. ST > *

[Alpolio]

I find it a bit odd that everyone's a bit harse with CFE. It's not as good as 3s, but what is? Despite CFE's faults, I still love the game. Even my favotite game mag gave it a 9/10.

http://www.playmagazine.com/index.php?fuseaction=SiteMain.showGamePage&Game_ID=13

[N-Ken]

what the fuck is this shit?
who's dissin CVS2?
alot of people say that there's alot of turtling involved in that game
i really don't know what any of you are talking about
i rarely play anyone that does excessive turtling
and if you do play someone that turtles, you know how many different grooves and characters there are?
come on idiots, there's like a million ways around it.
long live CVS2!!!


Anyone who says CvS isnt a turtle fest does NOT have good competition, PERIOD.

[DavDz]

I was thinking of getting CFE for my Xbox for a while. Heard alot of people say it was bad,but now that I have seen this,I may have to reconsider on getting the game....

[gootecks]

Well, I've played CFE like twice and hated it both times, but who knows. Maybe CFE will be the 3s of 2008. Maybe years after it is released, all kinds of crazy shit will be discovered and people will fall in love with the game. Maybe CFE is just too ahead of its time like 3s was. Or maybe CFE is just 100% pure crap and we'll still be playing 3s in 2008.

[Golden Dragon]

Well, I've played CFE like twice and hated it both times, but who knows. Maybe CFE will be the 3s of 2008. Maybe years after it is released, all kinds of crazy shit will be discovered and people will fall in love with the game. Maybe CFE is just too ahead of its time like 3s was. Or maybe CFE is just 100% pure crap and we'll still be playing 3s in 2008.
The latter is more likely. Man, that's depressing.

[Hcparker]

If it is final then it certainly is the end of an era. I doubt Capcom USA can come close to what Capcom of Japan did. At the very least they can ruin the story, for the six remaining people who care about it.

You'd think for their last game they'd go out with a bang...but no, Jedah started with that sprite, and by golly, he stayed there.

Capcom USA is much more likely to move SF to 3D than CoJ was. 3D is what sells more in the states it seems. That could be a good or a bad thing depending on how you view it.

I got CFE today for the X-Box. It's not bad, it's solid but not really special. Vaguely SFAish I would say.

[Obliterate]

3rd Strike owns CFE for free. CFE might be balanced, hell if I know, it just doesn't appeal to me at all. I've only played it for one day though so I could just need more time...to hate it even more.

[KneelB4Me]

what the fuck is this shit?
who's dissin CVS2?
alot of people say that there's alot of turtling involved in that game
i really don't know what any of you are talking about
i rarely play anyone that does excessive turtling
and if you do play someone that turtles, you know how many different grooves and characters there are?
come on idiots, there's like a million ways around it.
long live CVS2!!!

Lol Imagine. You play on Xbl with a custom groove with chain combos. CvS2 is naturally a turtle fest. You wont see it as much online where you can roll through the lag with your Kim and connect a jab to land a 70% combo. Or use Kims slide from 3/4 screen away and still be safe. I would try to convince you to play the game with its normal rule set but I know too well. That would be like beating a broken drum whilst staring out the window of the short bus. Still, hopefully one day :tup:

Since some people are placing games in their personal order you can all stare at this for a few hours.

CvS2 > CFE > 3S

I do play 3S but I prefer CvS2's engine by a long shot. You have to earn your shit in CvS2. Long live the guardcrush, with real footsies and a real use for normals.

I dont mean to drag 3S through the mud or mock anybodies views, I think its an above average game. But I really do find it strange that most of you have taken to the most random of SF's there is.

[EGO]

i like how the BGs are photoshop, i like how they cut frames on the 3s characters and why the hell is pyron a boss in this game??

[SNAAAAKE]

YOUR STILL BITCHING ABOUT SPRITES AND GRAPHICS ON A STREETFIGHTER GAME? Wear a fucking helmet.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Americanmeowth]

My main problem with CFE is that it's MUGEN for sale. Does it take Capcom a while to get a game to a point where it can actually be played without too much crap and glitches? Yeah. But that doesn't mean I have to like the beta test games in hopes that the next one will be better.

[Philth]

and who says cvs2 is a good game?


Ill just roll cancel right past that question.

[TGC]

Funny how people always say cvs2 is a crappy game, yet it gets 2nd or slightly 3rd in most participiants in a lot of tourneys. It's a good game, stop sucking too much, and if you don't like turtles, then fucking rush them, they can't block forever. Or let mvc2 go, it's pretty much done.

I also like 3s, but comparing them is irrelevent, because it's 2 different games.

Cvs2 is a good game IMO
3s is a good game IMO
Marvel was cool, but not anymore, IMO.
Never learned GGXX

[Windlord0]

I really stood behind CFE, and the only thing that has changed in my mind is that nobody else is playing it, and that detracts a little from it. When it first came out my friend called it "a fighting game made for fighting game fans, and nothing else." I think this really holds true. There are no other modes for people to play it single player, it's just there for combat, and from what I've seen in what play time I've had, and in tourney listings, the game seem very well balanced. I think all but 3 characters were represented in SBO. I think people really need to bring this game out of the dark.

[{PFH}-Lake]

id rather play CFE im just not into the RC crap.

[Superking]

man I wish it did have some jojo's chara's in. on the subject of CFE do you reckon they should have stuck with allstars (the 3d one with strider and hagger)? anyone ever get to play this?

For the last time, Capcom doesn't own the JoJo property, if you wanted JoJo in CFJ, then you might as well have Spawn, Mickey Mouse, and Sentinel in there too.

[roninwarrior24]

I have yet to play the game (should I buy it?), but from the vids I have seen and the stuff I have found out about it, I have come up with this:

Good things about CFE: Solid gameplay, pretty balanced, decent endings
Bad things about CFE: Everything else

I don't know what this really means, but is the game worth the money? I've heard good things from person A and bad things from person B, but I'm not sure. I've read okay reviews, good reviews, and bad reviews (mostly bad reviews and average reviews). Hmm...