Capcom get your shit together.

[Cenotaph]

I dont know if any of you have felt the same way i have, but recently i feel like capcom has been putting out nothing but garbage. It has been pretty much 5 years since they released a new street fighter, and i think its about time they stop beating around the bush and put out Street Fighter 4. Instead thought they release garbage games like Capcom Fighting Evolution which is in my opinion one of the worst most sloppily put together fighting games ive ever played in my life. And other than that they constantly just re-release games.How do you feel on this?

[Superking]

*Tumbleweed rolls by*

[Mark Beast]

...its not like its anything new. they've been doing the same shit for years and we've been putting up with it.

yes, its bullshit but if i continue to go out and buy the latest capcom rehash, then i'm contributing to the bullshit. lets face it. if capcom released(on xbox 360 or ps3)a disc with a compilation of all the vs. games arcade perfect, who's gonna buy it? 99% of us. doesn't matter that they've already sold them on ps1, ps2, dc, xbox, or game cube.

until we actually rise up and "boycott" none of us can say anything. also i'm not even sure if there are enough of us capcom FIGHTING fans to make a difference. they care more about their other titles than sf at this point. its becoming obvious.

at the same time, you have ppl that will buy a game just because it has the capcom logo. if a game is ass, don't buy it or support it. capcom will get the hint eventually, hopefully. then they'll release another game and if its good ppl will support if not then they won't. until it gets like that capcom won't give two shits about releasing rehashes because we eat them up anyway.

if it ain't broke don't fix it, and its not broke in their eyes.

[capcommunist]

Amen Brotha' Fighting Jam is unbearable, I played it for 7 min and took it back. Capcom in my opinion is the best game company in existence all those old side scrollers (AvP, D&D tower of doom, Final fight, etc) unmatched in fun factor, why not make more of those? Why not keep the existing engine for MvC2 and add a slew of other characters? Believe me I want answers too dammit!! :sad: :sad: :sad:

[Cenotaph]

Your right about that, Capcom is where it is today because of Street Fighter alone. They have obviously abbandoned they're roots. For example, They are just about to rehash Street Fighter Alpha 3 on PSP, not that its a bad game whatsoever, but it seems like they really arent getting the picture. It seems like Street Fighter is at the bottom of their list. Its really a shame.

[CDL]

Well, at least when they make a new game (not a versus), it is a NEW GAME. Not like SNK with King of Fighters and Samurai Showdown. They may say they are a sequel, but they are really the same game, same engine, and most of the time, the same sprites.


At least Alpha Series, Street Fighter 3, Street Fighter 2, Darkstalkers, X-Men, and Marvel Superheroes were new takes with new sprites.

Granted, they have milked each and every one of them, but at least they aren't up to "STREET FIGHTER 7" using the same sprites and characters like SNK.

[PozerWolf]

Well, at least when they make a new game (not a versus), it is a NEW GAME. Not like SNK with King of Fighters and Samurai Showdown. They may say they are a sequel, but they are really the same game, same engine, and most of the time, the same sprites.


At least Alpha Series, Street Fighter 3, Street Fighter 2, Darkstalkers, X-Men, and Marvel Superheroes were new takes with new sprites.

Granted, they have milked each and every one of them, but at least they aren't up to "STREET FIGHTER 7" using the same sprites and characters like SNK.

ZOMG GTFO N00B!!!!11!1!!

[psycho kid]

snip
You sir, are an idiot.

[hold dat]

I agree i think capaom/evolution is crap. But as long as we continue to buy and play what they put out (as hard and loyal as we do) they will work on their own time table. but how else could they improve on Street fighter? Third Strike is great...

[Skyler]

Capcom used to been my favorite video game company, but now their second considering I like Konami better than Capcom. Capcom was amazing in the 90's with Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Street Fighter Alpha, X-Men, Versus series, MegaMan, etc. but now capcom is nothing i tell ya, nothing. Devil Mary Cry is the only hit series right now that they got.

The PSP and DS games, I dont mind cause those are handhelds anyways. but lately capcom hasnt come up with anything ground breaking. the only game im actually looking forward to from capcom is Devil May Cry 4. Just like Squaresoft, capcom has gone down the drain.

[Rei]

Capcom hates you.

[FusionITR]

You see the thing is, Capcom has already released the best fighing games in the existance of history and they cant top themselves. Lets face it, Alpha 3, Third Stike, Marvel, CVS, these are the best games and theres absolutely nothing they can do to top these games.

[PozerWolf]

You see the thing is, Capcom has already released the best fighing games in the existance of history and they cant top themselves. Lets face it, Alpha 3, Third Stike, Marvel, CVS, these are the best games and theres absolutely nothing they can do to top these games.

For some odd reason, I'm glad you didn't bold the word "nothing".

[Time_Stop]

You see the thing is, Capcom has already released the best fighing games in the existance of history and they cant top themselves. Lets face it, Alpha 3, Third Stike, Marvel, CVS, these are the best games and theres absolutely nothing they can do to top these games.

Buuuuuulllllshiiiiiit.

Even 3S can be improved. Higher res, more characters, better balance, better backgrounds, better music... Everything can be improved. Even the animation.

And Marvel, CVS, Alpha 3? I can only assume you´ve hit your head when you listed those as games that can´t be improved...

Well, at least when they make a new game (not a versus), it is a NEW GAME. Not like SNK with King of Fighters and Samurai Showdown. They may say they are a sequel, but they are really the same game, same engine, and most of the time, the same sprites.

At least Alpha Series, Street Fighter 3, Street Fighter 2, Darkstalkers, X-Men, and Marvel Superheroes were new takes with new sprites.

Granted, they have milked each and every one of them, but at least they aren't up to "STREET FIGHTER 7" using the same sprites and characters like SNK.

CVS = Alpha, DS, CVS sprites.
CFJ = Alpha, DS, CVS, RE, SF3 sprites.
Versus games = Alpha, Versus sprites.

Alpha sprites rehashed in many different games. Exactly the same as the KOF sprites being re-used in SVC and NGBC.

And... SNK has more different, unique sprites sets in fighting games than Capcom, dude:

SS1
SS3
AOF1
AOF2
AOF3
FF1
FF2
FF3
RBFFS (RBFF had some FF3 sprites, but they were changed in S)
LB
Savage Reign
Garou
KOF94
KOF96

Some even have touch-ups between episodes. And that´s without listing 3D games and co-productions between SNK and other companies.

Try to use your brain first, then do some fact checking, then post.

[Lyte Edge]

I'm sure this will be an unpopular suggestion around here, but I think at this point, the only way for Capcom to make a fighting game that could be somewhat successful again would be to go completely 3D. I'd rather have polygon models over recycled sprites dating back to 1994 in some cases.

[polarity]

I wish newbies would stop showing up and posting the same fucking threads we've seen a thousand times before.

[skankin garbage]

I guess I'm alone in thinking that Capcom has put out some really cool shit, lately. I thoroughly enjoyed Viewtiful Joe, Mega Man X8 is the best X game since Inafune stopped producing for the series (X4), and let's face it; X5-X7 really sucked. Capcom Fighting Evolution, aside from being a fucking graphical castastrophe and sort of a rehash, was a good fighting game; they managed to take 5 different systems, combine them together, make every character competitive, and remove lame broken ass shit from the game (Genei Jin anyone?). The Mega Man Zero series is fucking intense; I bought a Game Boy Player just to play those games. Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter is easily the best in the series, and in my opinion, currently the best RPG on PS2. Devil May Cry 3 was hella fun compared to the first two, which I really didn't like, and Chaos Legion is just plain fun, simple as that.

You can try to call me a Capcom Fanboy if you like; bullcrap. I'm probably a Mega Man fanboy if anything :P But I think that lately, Capcom has really gotten their act together. I would have agreed with y'all a few years ago, but I think they are beginning to get back on track, now.

[m121akuma]

I'm sure this will be an unpopular suggestion around here, but I think at this point, the only way for Capcom to make a fighting game that could be somewhat successful again would be to go completely 3D. I'd rather have polygon models over recycled sprites dating back to 1994 in some cases.
That's what they were going to attempt with CFAS...'cept all the fans were like "OMFG 3D SUXORZ TEH BETA IS FUCKED AND THEY CANT GET IT RIGHT STFU CAPCOM YOU SUX!!!1!", at which point Capcom decided (perhaps rightfully so) that it isn't worth the effort to try and make something new, and released CFE instead. And here we are. Food for thought.

[jae hoon]

Capcom doesnt make money on fighters anymore and hasnt for awhile. It doesnt make sense finanically for them to continue to try to. Its really that simple.

[bill_rizer]

I wish newbies would stop showing up and posting the same fucking threads we've seen a thousand times before.

I hear you brotha!

2 actually add to the topic it dosnt matter what capcom or snk do new because so called fans always compare them to older games ie capcom 3s and snk kof98 simple.
Too bad most pepz are stuck in some time warps and cant escape the year 98.
So the new stuff gets thrown in the bin or burned like m121akuma says.
So yes if i was Mr.Capcom or Mr.Snk I would rehash your asses to hell :badboy:

[Lyte Edge]

I guess I'm alone in thinking that Capcom has put out some really cool shit, lately.

I don't think anyone is trashing Capcom's other efforts, but this is the FIGHTING GAME DISCUSSION FORUM and this thread is about their fighting games. :)

I bet if they released Capcom Fighting All-Stars on PS2 instead of CFE it would have sold better.

[Hcparker]

Capcom doesnt make money on fighters anymore and hasnt for awhile. It doesnt make sense finanically for them to continue to try to. Its really that simple.

Agreed.

[Sexperienced.]

CDL speaks the truth.

[ShinJN]

Add the fact that one of the original producers of the Street Fighter series has retired from Capcom and has formed his own company with another Capcom retiree. They are working on the new Dragon Ball Z game called Super Dragon Ball Z. Link here:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/06/news_6126992.html

[roninwarrior24]

DIdn't all the main fighting game designers at Capcom left the place a year or two ago? That should answer your questions.

As of right now, SNK, Namco, and Team Ninja (yes, be suprised that I put their name up) are the only ones making fighting games that grab more than 2 people's attention. Yes, SNK reheashes sprites (all 2D fighting game companies do, in case you haven't noticed), but at least the gameplay changes (for better or worse) and they are actually TRYING to make new games (they want to take advantage of their "second chance"). I guess you can't rehash visuals in 3D games (which is why Namco doesn't get these kinds of complaints).

I guess Capcom's future with fighters is over. We'll be stuck in the year 2000 for the rest of our lives (that is, until the Marvel, ST, 3s, and CVS2 scene fell off the face of the earth; then Namco will be the ruler of fighting games).

It seems that 3D companies show more effort in continuing their franchises than 2D ones.

[f1are]

It has been pretty much 5 years since they released a new street fighter, and i think its about time they stop beating around the bush and put out Street Fighter 4.

I hope they don't. I don't want them to rush sf4 if they ever do release it. first of all, I don't know where they can really go after releasing third strike besides 3D. so, there needs to be a lot of thought put into this game to set it apart from past sf games. second, i don't want to see an update to sf4 every couple of months as we did with sfII or every year as with sfIII.

[supabeast]

DIdn't all the main fighting game designers at Capcom left the place a year or two ago? That should answer your questions.


Yeah, but where the hell are they now, and does anyone know what they're working on?

[jae hoon]

Yeah, but where the hell are they now, and does anyone know what they're working on?


Umm

Add the fact that one of the original producers of the Street Fighter series has retired from Capcom and has formed his own company with another Capcom retiree. They are working on the new Dragon Ball Z game called Super Dragon Ball Z. Link here:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/06/news_6126992.html


Its only acouple posts up from yours. Its not that hard to look when its that close.

[OneInchPunch]

as m121akuma and jae hoon put it, its cause the fans are never satisfied and then they suddenly realize that the game they were bitchin about isn't half bad. by then capcom has already had it and said fuck it. i never played CFE but by not buying it, sales show that people aren't interested and capcom won't bother making more. just diggin our own graves *shrugs*

[mthegreatone]

in the end, it's a catch-22 deal if that's the case.

[cygnus]

capcom doesn't have any shit to get anymore in the first place

[CDL]

Buuuuuulllllshiiiiiit.

Even 3S can be improved. Higher res, more characters, better balance, better backgrounds, better music... Everything can be improved. Even the animation.

And Marvel, CVS, Alpha 3? I can only assume you´ve hit your head when you listed those as games that can´t be improved...



CVS = Alpha, DS, CVS sprites.
CFJ = Alpha, DS, CVS, RE, SF3 sprites.
Versus games = Alpha, Versus sprites.

Alpha sprites rehashed in many different games. Exactly the same as the KOF sprites being re-used in SVC and NGBC.

And... SNK has more different, unique sprites sets in fighting games than Capcom, dude:

SS1
SS3
AOF1
AOF2
AOF3
FF1
FF2
FF3
RBFFS (RBFF had some FF3 sprites, but they were changed in S)
LB
Savage Reign
Garou
KOF94
KOF96

Some even have touch-ups between episodes. And that´s without listing 3D games and co-productions between SNK and other companies.

Try to use your brain first, then do some fact checking, then post.


You either didn't read my post or you don't know how to read. I clearly said that all of Capcoms games BESIDES their VERSUS games are not rehashes. Alpha, SF2, SF3, Darkstalkers, Marvel Superheroes, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Powerstone, Warzords, they are all different games.

The versus games are combining characters from all the games.

With SNK, it's like, if you've played 1 you have played them all. True, they add something new every year, but it's still the same gameplay. You can't sit there honestly and try to say that the difference of Samurai Showdown 2 to Samurai Showdown 5 is like the difference of Street Fighter 2 to Street Fighter 3.

Now, use your brain before you post, or at least read the persons post you are replying to. And stop looking so hard for the opportunity to be an asshole.

[Zigmover21]

capcom doesn't have any shit to get anymore in the first place

Yup. It's over.

[roninwarrior24]

You either didn't read my post or you don't know how to read. I clearly said that all of Capcoms games BESIDES their VERSUS games are not rehashes. Alpha, SF2, SF3, Darkstalkers, Marvel Superheroes, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Powerstone, Warzords, they are all different games.

The versus games are combining characters from all the games.

With SNK, it's like, if you've played 1 you have played them all. True, they add something new every year, but it's still the same gameplay. You can't sit there honestly and try to say that the difference of Samurai Showdown 2 to Samurai Showdown 5 is like the difference of Street Fighter 2 to Street Fighter 3.

Now, use your brain before you post, or at least read the persons post you are replying to. And stop looking so hard for the opportunity to be an asshole.

That's because SNK usually doesn't make Samurai Showdown 2:Champion Edition, King of Fighters 2003 Turbo or Last Blade 2:3rd Strike. Street Fighter is like 4 series' put in one (WW, Alpha, 3, and EX), and the VS. games aren't SF games. Each on SNK's series are ONE series of games, so the sequels aren't going to drastically change.

Which means one thing: Your comparison was pretty poor. SS2 to SS5 is like NG to 3s (or the other way around).

Back to topic: I honestly think Capcom is done with fighters, which leaves SNK (not the most popular company mainstream-wise or tourney-wise), Sammy (who won't release a true sequel to GGX), and Namco (who will eventually rule the fighting scene and single-handingly keep it alive). At least we still have Resident Evil and Devil May Cry to play.

[bill_rizer]

CDL you have a vaild point but if your saying capcom uses different sprites for each of their series then u must say the same for snk games.
kof has its own sprites as does samuari showdown etc diffrent series different sprites if thats what your tryin 2 say.
Yea i know kof has been rehashed nuff but i dont see SF11 around and im sure capcom would not be bothed 2 update each time.
I wouldnt say all kof play the same either depends how good you are i guess on the surface it all looks the same.
Anyhow im not dissin what u said just puttin my pov on it :karate:

[bill_rizer]

well roninwarrior24 u have 2 say aleast snk and sammy are given it a go:

NGBC/KOFXI/SAMURAISHOWDOWNT/GGSLASH/FISTOFNORTHSTAR

all these ahem :confused: new fighters comin out pepz should be glad in the age of the PS3 that new 2d fighters get made.

But really ill expect pepz to burn those games down like 2k3/svc/cfj so really when their are no more 2d fighters we will have ourselfs to blame.

[gamespy]

It's only natural to understand why fans are fed up with this bull$!!@. Although having a new Street Fighter game will be good, here's why I doubt they will bring one out:

"Presenting Capcom's latest incarnation of the Street Fighter 2 game, Hyper Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo X. In this game, what's new is that Akuma, the hidden character of Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo, can now be played without a code! Also, he now has a super bar present from Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo:Revival! Use the Shun Goku Satsu as well! Other than that, nothing else is new! Everything else is the exact same thing from Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo!

Buy this game now for $1000! Why? Because no matter how much you guys complain, we still have fans who will support us no matter what!"

This is why there are no "new" fighting games from Capcom. Even if CFJ was considered to have decent gameplay, there is no excuse why a game can't look good and play good, especially considering the small roster.

If Capcom announces a Capcom Fighting Evolution 2 which turns out to be the first game with only 4 four new people, yet fans continue to support and buy these games, I don't know what to say.

You want to know why Capcom has been considered "lazy" for the past six years? All that I said above is the answer.

[RagingStorm101]

Isn't Capcom doing kind of poorly now? I heard they have lost a lot of money. Capcom doesn't care about 2D fighting games anymore; it's not worth it for them. Besides...if they're doing so poor, how can they afford to develop a game that has such a high risk factor of doing poorly since the fighting game scene is so small compared to Halo 2 scene.

[gouki10]

i doubt that capcom will ever release sf4 since they are making new titles at the moment, we can only hope that marvel vs E.A. sucks so much that capcom hears about it and remembers how great MVC2 is and makes MVC3 or atleast make sf4 cause that's all we really need

[Genryusai]

It doesn't help that Capcom whored the SF name as much as they did. Instead of remaking SF2 so many times they should have just made sequels. Besides, SF isn't going to be the kind of game to bring in new people the way it did when SF2 was still new. For the average people not being able to win after learning all the special moves and supers makes the game "too hard". And the "average person" makes up most of their sales. Meanwhile there are other games with the an easier learning curve..............

[jae hoon]

Isn't Capcom doing kind of poorly now? I heard they have lost a lot of money. Capcom doesn't care about 2D fighting games anymore; it's not worth it for them. Besides...if they're doing so poor, how can they afford to develop a game that has such a high risk factor of doing poorly since the fighting game scene is so small compared to Halo 2 scene.


They were doing pretty bad financially but it wasnt because of game sales. They made alot of investements in the japanese market that absolutely tanked.

[Reebok]

i doubt that capcom will ever release sf4 since they are making new titles at the moment, we can only hope that marvel vs E.A. sucks so much that capcom hears about it and remembers how great MVC2 is and makes MVC3 or atleast make sf4 cause that's all we really need
if i was prem., i would rep you

[Red Hat]

Its pretty obvious that Capcom wont be making a whole "new" fighting game in the distant future, which i supose is fair enough, espicially with all the effort a company has to put in for a 2d fighting game.

BUT, i like the idea of updating Street Fighter 3, give it graphics and animation that is equal to the Guilty Gear Games, or bettern then it.

Another thing, add another 4 or so new charecters to the game, including new backgrounds with those new charecters.

And, if capcom actually feel like putting in an effort, every previous charecter can have a set of 2 extra moves.


This game gets released at the arcades, then a year or so it goes on the next gen consoles with perfect online play.

That will give capcom another 4 years to try and think of a new fighting game.

To me that is the least capcom can do with out putting to much effort in.

[spotlanx]

Snip.

while capcom are making Street Fighter 3: Special Red Hat 4th edition,
they should make a secret character that, when chosen, cures cancer. :tdown:

[CDL]

Did anyone ever think that the reason the Street Fighter series has remained so popular is because of how Capcom didn't churn out sequel after sequel?

Yes, they did upgrades of Street Fighter, but because SF2 was such a huge sucess, they were able to maintain interest in the series. We wouldn't even have this thread if people still didn't care about Capcom's fighting games.

SNK on the other hand, chose to flood the market with their games, causing a loss of interest and poor sales. SNK vs Capcom hasn't sold well at all and is like $15 new last I saw. Now, you can say that it's because the rom was all over the net, or you can say that it's because the game sucked. Either way, outside of the die hard fans, noone gives a crap about what SNK is doing, because they are the same game with a new label.

However, wether it's tommorrow or 5 years from now, if STREET FIGHTER 4 hits, it will out sell every other fighter.



Also, as far as Street Fighter 2 rehashing goes, did Capcom really make that many rehashes? Lets count:

World Warrior
Champion Edition (Adds 4 new playable fighters)
Hyper (speeds the game up)
Super (Adds 5 new fighters, 4 playable and runs on CPS2 with more polished graphics)
Super Turbo (Adds Akuma playable, speeds up, new moves, and Super Combo Meter)



Now, if you go by SNK's philosophy, they would have done the same, except they would have called them, STREET FIGHTER 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

[WasFemto]

When I saw the title of the thread I knew this guy registerd this month. Anyone else have that "feeling"?


Capcom don't give a shit about fighting games and you shouldn't either(to the thread starter). I've always been an AM2 fan anyways.

[Obliterate]

Yeah, I don't play that many videogames nowadays. Too busy with work and hobbies, but I usually get into fighters. Like a damn fool I bought Capcom Fighting Evolution, and my eyes bleed...they BLEED. Horrid fuckin game. Am I the only one who notices that the backgrounds look like they were done by an orangatang with some water pastels?

[Duck Strong]

When I saw the title of the thread I knew this guy registerd this month. Anyone else have that "feeling"?


Capcom don't give a shit about fighting games and you shouldn't either(to the thread starter). I've always been an AM2 fan anyways.

You're still an idiot.

[Cenotaph]

Yeah, I don't play that many videogames nowadays. Too busy with work and hobbies, but I usually get into fighters. Like a damn fool I bought Capcom Fighting Evolution, and my eyes bleed...they BLEED. Horrid fuckin game. Am I the only one who notices that the backgrounds look like they were done by an orangatang with some water pastels?

Yea i did actually notice that too, also who the fuck wants to play as a Dinosaur that takes up half of the screen, and a fucking squid with a trident? Pathetic.

[Obliterate]

I saw that you have "death metal elite" in your avatar thing. So what you listen to? How about some Bloodbath, Destroyer 666, Malevolent Creation, God Dethroned, The Crown, Nile, Vader and the likes? Completely off topic and irrelevent much like of the rest of the crap that I post.

[Obliterate]

Speaking of that dinosaur piece of shit. You know the game is broke when a 10,000 pound huge dinosaur who can somehow speak english can be THROWN. I mean what the fuck? You would think that his only advantage would be that he is so fuckin big that he CAN'T be thrown, but apparently physics and logic don't exist anymore. I just shook my head in disgrace when Urien proceeded to piledrive that piece of shit not once, but twice. Bitch deserved every minute of it.

[polarity]

I saw that you have "death metal elite" in your avatar thing. So what you listen to? How about some Bloodbath, Destroyer 666, Malevolent Creation, God Dethroned, The Crown, Nile, Vader and the likes? Completely off topic and irrelevent much like of the rest of the crap that I post.

Might as well go off-topic considering this thread is worthless...

To say nothing of their quality, some of those aren't even death metal :confused:

When I listen to death metal which isn't much these days, I like (old) At The Gates, Suffocation, Atheist, Gorguts, Demilich, The Chasm, Morbid Angel, Arghoslent, etc etc. :tup:

[Guardcrush]

two words for the person who made this thread....eat shit.

[vpt_whatup]

Put yourself in the shoes of a CapCom producer. You want to make money. For money, you need a successful game. For a game to succeed, you have to give people what they want. You go to the local arcade in Japan and see dozens--maybe hundreds--of players coming in and out playing the same old Street Fighter game without complaint.

But you were given this money to make a new game. You know what the people want. If you give them exactly what they want, then you're just making the same game again (GGXX -> GGXX #R). In order to market this new game to a general audience, the new game has to have new features, better graphics, and a different character line-up. This leads to games like Street Fighter EX, Capcom Fighting Jam, and SNK VS CapCom...

They made new games and people didn't like them as much as the old one's. Lesson learned: stop making new games. That's just my thought.

[FatalFuryD]

I'm not too keen on Death metal genre.. but I think stratovarius is metal? Can someone recommend me music of similar style?

[OneInchPunch]

Speaking of that dinosaur piece of shit. You know the game is broke when a 10,000 pound huge dinosaur who can somehow speak english can be THROWN. I mean what the fuck? You would think that his only advantage would be that he is so fuckin big that he CAN'T be thrown, but apparently physics and logic don't exist anymore. I just shook my head in disgrace when Urien proceeded to piledrive that piece of shit not once, but twice. Bitch deserved every minute of it.

haven't played CFJ but same could be said bout sakura throwning zangeif, or people throwing energy balls, or man beasts that can produce electricity, or people who can stretch their limbs, or sumos that can fly across the screen, etc. but i get what you mean, atleast big chars in mvc2 had a hit limit.

[Cenotaph]

I'm not too keen on Death metal genre.. but I think stratovarius is metal? Can someone recommend me music of similar style?
Stratovarius is good, but they would be considered part of the melodic/power metal genre. And to Obliterate i do like/listen all of those bands, but some of my favorites would have to be In Flames,At the Gates, Katatonia, Opeth, In Thy Dreams, Zyklon, Behemoth, Aborted, Dark Funeral, Burzum, Immolation, Deicide, Carcass, Necrophagist, Hate Eternal, Morbid Angel ect..

[TrueSephiroth]

Dude, Capcom should well know, they would make a shit load of money if they made Street Fighter 4 with new character sprites, new stage backgrounds, bring back the oldschool music with with high quality sound, allow clothing customs on characters so people who find Ryu "boring" can stfu and dress him up like a Barbie so he doesn't look so original, evolve the storyline from SFIII 3rd Strike and there you have it, and most importantly fix the fighting engine so it can feel different from SF2 and SF3 and yet still feel like it's Street Fighter. If Capcom actually attempted this, well with just the name SF 4 would sell a shit load of copies alone, who the hell here would say that they wouldn't want to SF 4 if it had all of these to offer, I certainly would buy...but wtf am I thinking, this will never happen.

I believe that if Capcom actually tried to attempt this, this would help give them a boost in the fighting game genre, I believe many of us have been waiting for something like this, and if it did come out, I sure many of us would go to support it, if it wasn't the same old stuff, just my thought anyways.

[roninwarrior24]

I doubt you will see a quality 2D fighter from Capcom because the main guys left long ago (you people STILL can't accept this). It's like this:

*If Hideo Kojima left Konami, would they make a new, GOOD Metal Gear game?

*If Shigeru Miyamoto and Reggie left Nintendo, would they be doomed?

*If Nobuo Uematsu (can't spell?) left Square Enix would you still hear decent music in FF games?


Anyways, Capcom has been doing this for a long time, so you should be used to it. It's just that the fighting game workers are stuck in the year 2000 and have yet to truly put something out that's BIG (CFE was a waste of time and really messed up Capcom's reputation). Plus, they never advertised their stuff, so OF COURSE their fighters aren't gonna sell. So unless you people work for Capcom and force them to make SF4 (or something NEW, like an original fighter of some sort), your dreams aren't going to come true.

Plus, 2D fighters don't sell anymore (you don't see Gulty Gear making mega millions, do you?), so the companies think of them as a waste of time when they can be making the future of FPSs or RPGs instead.

[polarity]

*If Nobuo Uematsu (can't spell?) left Square Enix would you still hear decent music in FF games?

Uematsu already did leave Square-Enix (although he still does freelance stuff for them), the music in the last few games wasn't done exclusively by him either...in fact I think his contributions are generally considered to be some of the worst on those games.

[SSJ_Sonikku]

It is nice that they are making games, but are they ever going to make NEW fighting games?

[WasFemto]

I wanna suck your huge cock Femto


I can't allow that.

[Rhio2k]

Speaking of that dinosaur piece of shit. You know the game is broke when a 10,000 pound huge dinosaur who can somehow speak english can be THROWN. I mean what the fuck? You would think that his only advantage would be that he is so fuckin big that he CAN'T be thrown, but apparently physics and logic don't exist anymore. I just shook my head in disgrace when Urien proceeded to piledrive that piece of shit not once, but twice. Bitch deserved every minute of it.


There WAS a game that addressed the throwing of super-heavy characters...let's see...oh, that's right: Samurai Shodown 1-2. The characters would grab then do a sweet 4-5 hit combo ending in a knockdown when they grabbed Earthquake.

[Infernoman]

IIRC I read in an issue of Play Magazine that they were asking some people if they would want the next SF game to be 2D or 3D. I'll see if I can find that Issue.

[Saotome Kaneda]

There WAS a game that addressed the throwing of super-heavy characters...let's see...oh, that's right: Samurai Shodown 2. The characters would grab then do a sweet 2-3 hit combo ending in a knockdown when they grabbed Earthquake.

Fixed for you.

[Obliterate]

I haven't played SS2 in years so hell if I remember. I know fighting games aren't supposed to be real and all with fireballs and all that super human shit, I'm just thinking in terms of balancing the games (IE how they make a shitty character even more shitty). I mean if I'm going to play as a big lard ass dinosaur, at least I should have the capability of not being thrown. Doesn't matter really, I tried playing the game again last night and the more I played it, the more I wanted to pop in 3S. I think I should return this thing.

[Rhio2k]

Fixed for you.


Good lookin' out, yo.

[Saotome Kaneda]

Good lookin' out, yo.
<3

filler

[greeneggs&ham]

It is nice that they are making games, but are they ever going to make NEW fighting games?

the people in capcom r hooked of that 3d bullshit

[beelzebubble]

i love how every thread addressing capcom's flaws has to have a dose of "but they're better than snk" in there somewhere...

:lame:

[polarity]

the people in capcom r hooked of that 3d bullshit

:rolleyes: Yeah, games like Devil May Cry 3, Viewtiful Joe 2 and Resident Evil 4 are just "3d bullshit".

Bottom line is, some of you guys need to get it into your heads that Capcom doesn't owe you SHIT. People seem to think that the fact that they've played previous Capcom fighters entitles them to more - don't you realize that Capcom paid back your support with the hours of enjoyment you got from playing those games? Capcom never said they'd keep making SF games forever. Capcom never said they were anything other than a profit-motivated company. So where has this fucking selfish sense of entitlement come from?

If you have a problem with what Capcom are doing, then support other 2d fighter companies. If their products aren't good enough for you, stop being a lazy fuck, learn some useful skills, get a team together, and make the game you want to see on your own. Games like Eternal Fighter Zero and Melty Blood show that it CAN be done. But of course, you guys would rather just bitch and moan while making absolutely zero effort to improve the situation yourselves. Pathetic.

[CDL]

Speaking of that dinosaur piece of shit. You know the game is broke when a 10,000 pound huge dinosaur who can somehow speak english can be THROWN. I mean what the fuck? You would think that his only advantage would be that he is so fuckin big that he CAN'T be thrown, but apparently physics and logic don't exist anymore. I just shook my head in disgrace when Urien proceeded to piledrive that piece of shit not once, but twice. Bitch deserved every minute of it.



Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. They can generate and throw fireballs out of thin air. They can jump twice their height (sometimes more). They can survive being set completely on fire. A 500 lb sumo wrestler can fly face first across the screen.

But, the big logical flaw that ruins the whole game for you is the fact that they can pick up a dinosaur?

[Higher-Jin]

Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. They can generate and throw fireballs out of thin air. They can jump twice their height (sometimes more). They can survive being set completely on fire. A 500 lb sumo wrestler can fly face first across the screen.

But, the big logical flaw that ruins the whole game for you is the fact that they can pick up a dinosaur?

it's complicated

[Hcparker]

It is nice that they are making games, but are they ever going to make NEW fighting games?

When it becomes commerically viable for them to do so.

There were at last reports, plans being made for SF4 and a new Darkstalkers game but those disappeared with the news Capcom lost a lot of money.

When they get the funding and it becomes possible, I'm sure we'll see another fighting game from them.

[Ry Guy]

Did anyone ever think that the reason the Street Fighter series has remained so popular is because of how Capcom didn't churn out sequel after sequel?

Yes, they did upgrades of Street Fighter, but because SF2 was such a huge sucess, they were able to maintain interest in the series. We wouldn't even have this thread if people still didn't care about Capcom's fighting games.

SNK on the other hand, chose to flood the market with their games, causing a loss of interest and poor sales. SNK vs Capcom hasn't sold well at all and is like $15 new last I saw. Now, you can say that it's because the rom was all over the net, or you can say that it's because the game sucked. Either way, outside of the die hard fans, noone gives a crap about what SNK is doing, because they are the same game with a new label.

However, wether it's tommorrow or 5 years from now, if STREET FIGHTER 4 hits, it will out sell every other fighter.



Also, as far as Street Fighter 2 rehashing goes, did Capcom really make that many rehashes? Lets count:

World Warrior
Champion Edition (Adds 4 new playable fighters)
Hyper (speeds the game up)
Super (Adds 5 new fighters, 4 playable and runs on CPS2 with more polished graphics)
Super Turbo (Adds Akuma playable, speeds up, new moves, and Super Combo Meter)



Now, if you go by SNK's philosophy, they would have done the same, except they would have called them, STREET FIGHTER 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

You're obviously biased beyond reason when talking about SNK and Capcom, so I won't even bother trying to reason with you. However, you need to learn and accept the fact that 2-D fighting is no longer very popular. Street Fighter 4 would not sell like hotcakes, in fact there's a good chance it would hardly sell at all. Dead or Alive would out-gross that shiz without even trying.

[Obliterate]

He's right it is complicated. The dinosaur being thrown brings up bad memories of The Land Before Time when the mother brontasaurus got fucked up by that T-Rex during the big quake. On that reason alone the game sucks. For no other reason but the fact that throwing dinosaurs is wrong.

[CDL]

You're obviously biased beyond reason when talking about SNK and Capcom, so I won't even bother trying to reason with you. However, you need to learn and accept the fact that 2-D fighting is no longer very popular. Street Fighter 4 would not sell like hotcakes, in fact there's a good chance it would hardly sell at all. Dead or Alive would out-gross that shiz without even trying.


I wouldn't doubt that at all, DOA is hot. And I am not biased. I was merely trying to prove that SNK has ripped itself off just as much as Capcom, though Capcom has handled it a lot better. Not many people care about SNK anymore, 2-D or otherwise.

[beelzebubble]

I wouldn't doubt that at all, DOA is hot. And I am not biased. I was merely trying to prove that SNK has ripped itself off just as much as Capcom, though Capcom has handled it a lot better. Not many people care about SNK anymore, 2-D or otherwise.

the thread was never about cap vs snk you dumb fuck. you turning it into another one of those threads is what makes you a dumb fuck. oh that and your biased unsubstantiated fanboyism...

[polarity]

I wouldn't doubt that at all, DOA is hot. And I am not biased. I was merely trying to prove that SNK has ripped itself off just as much as Capcom, though Capcom has handled it a lot better. Not many people care about SNK anymore, 2-D or otherwise.

Nobody cares about Capcom's fighting games either, and seeing as that's practically all SNK makes (and they VERY RARELY make 3D games, which have all sucked) then this is kind of a retarded point :rolleyes:.

Games in which Capcom has re-used sprites:

SF2CE
SF2T
SSF2
SSF2T
HSF2

A2
A2 Gold
A3
A3 Upper

MSH
XVSF
MVSF
MVC1
MVC2

DS1
NW
VS1
VS2
VH2

CVS1
CVS2
CFJ

SF3:2I
SF3:3S

JJBA

Pocket Fighter

Total: 26

Games in which SNK has re-used sprites

KOF95, 97, 98, 99, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, NW

LB2

RBFF
RBFF2

SS4
SS5
SS5S

SvC

Total: 16


Even if you don't include vs. games, SNK still reuses sprites less than Capcom! :encore:

[beelzebubble]

Nobody cares about Capcom's fighting games either, and seeing as that's practically all SNK makes (and they VERY RARELY make 3D games, which have all sucked) then this is kind of a retarded point :rolleyes:.

Games in which Capcom has re-used sprites:

SF2CE
SF2T
SSF2
SSF2T
HSF2

A2
A2 Gold
A3
A3 Upper

MSH
XVSF
MVSF
MVC1
MVC2

DS1
NW
VS1
VS2
VH2

CVS1
CVS2
CFJ

SF3:2I
SF3:3S

JJBA

Pocket Fighter

Total: 26

Games in which SNK has re-used sprites

KOF95, 97, 98, 99, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, NW

LB2

RBFF
RBFF2

SS4
SS5
SS5S

SvC

Total: 16


Even if you don't include vs. games, SNK still reuses sprites less than Capcom! :encore:

its a pity you had to go to all that just to prove cdl wrong.... on a point that isnt remotely important especially in this thread :(

[WB!]

You know what people rehash more than sprites in Capcom or SNK games?

The same tired arguments about sprite rehashes in Capcom or SNK games.

[bill_rizer]

I have to agree on what polarity and beelzebubble say :tup:

I dont see whats wrong with using the same sprites if the game is good look at ngbc.

Also you have to face facts this anit the 90s Fighters in general dont have high sales compared to the GTA's and Halo's not sure about the US market but i know here in the uk you wont see a beat em up in the top games.

Which brings me to my next point the only fighters that ever do make it in are not 2d but 3d fighters tekken and DOA.

So if capcom were to do another SF it would have to be 3D if they wanted to make any serious money off it and not just satisfy some capcum fanboys wet dreams.

So in reality your asking them to take on Tekken/VF/DOA with no staff who know how to make fighters like the other companies do.

Lol lets not forget they tried this already with the dismal EX series back then when their was still hope, and more recently ALL-STARS game which they scrapped all 2gether.

So you you want them to have a 3rd crack at it? when the situation is awhole lot worse :rolleyes:

[Duck Strong]

Maybe the solution could be for capcom to develop a strictly 3-D fighter with traditional 3-D mechanics to get people warmed up to the idea. The new Final Fight might fit the bill but I'm really not sure what it plays like. Anyway, once people are hyped about capcom's fighting games again they could make the transition to a 3-d street fighter with the type of gameplay we all love. I know most of you guys groan at the prospect of a 3-D SF but there's no reason it can't be done well. I for one didn't think the EX series wasn't all that bad.

[akiramike]

I wouldn't doubt that at all, DOA is hot. And I am not biased. I was merely trying to prove that SNK has ripped itself off just as much as Capcom, though Capcom has handled it a lot better. Not many people care about SNK anymore, 2-D or otherwise.

Tell that to arcade gamers in Asia. Still lots of people playing 98 and 2002 here in Melbourne.

[Obliterate]

I don't know about going completely 3D, I don't think that would jive with my mojo. But I do see a combination of 2D/3D. Using 3D effects for backgrounds, attacks, etc., but keeping the animation of the characters 2D. I mean they used 3D in MVC2 and it worked, I think.

[Obliterate]

I think there are enough 3D fighting games out now anyways, so Capcom making a 3D fighting game isn't a guarantee of profit. If Capcom put effort and time into a game, they would make a hell of a lot of money. The reason why Street Fighter 3 didn't do so well was because the first iteration (New Generation) wasn't received so well. Now if 3rd Strike was the first iteration of SF3 then it would have probably done very well (more characters, more moves, etc.). After NG came out, a lot of people didn't bother with 2nd impact or 3rd Strike (at least in my area), they pretty much stuck to Tekken, MVC2, Soul Calibur, etc. If Capcom spent time and effort on a 2D game (whether it's SF4 or not), it would probably do very well. And the home version would HAVE to be arcade perfect and should come out the same time as the arcade version. There should also be some kind of online ranking system that you can use at home and at the arcade, people like to know who they are.

[Sexperienced.]

And the home version would HAVE to be arcade perfect and should come out the same time as the arcade version.

Huh?

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[roninwarrior24]

In order to make a 2D fighter that will sell, Capcom has to do the two things they can almost never do... ADVERTISE THE DAMN PRODUCT AND MAKE IT APPEAL TO THE CASUAL GAMER! Admit it, the casual gamer=99.9% of the market. You make a product for them, you will sell. Why are DMC3 and RE4 doing/did so well? You got it, they were good and they appealed to the casual gamer, not the 1% that is the hardcore crowd.

Forget it, Capcom ain't gonna make new fighters. They are going to stick to their other, more successful franchises, like Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, and Mega Man. Still, DOA, Tekken, and Soul Calibur will massacre those games when it comes to sales.

[Daemos]

The thing is this:

Capcom DO NOT CARE if we boycott them. They are doing these rehashes to make a quick buck and keep SF alive (somewhat).

What happens if we boycott them? NOTHING. They will stop making rehashes and we will never EVER get an SF game, at least not in this decade.

Maybe Capcom are selling all these rehashes to save up enough money to make a totally new SF game.

[Ry Guy]

The thing is this:

Capcom DO NOT CARE if we boycott them. They are doing these rehashes to make a quick buck and keep SF alive (somewhat).

What happens if we boycott them? NOTHING. They will stop making rehashes and we will never EVER get an SF game, at least not in this decade.

Maybe Capcom are selling all these rehashes to save up enough money to make a totally new SF game.

If you boycotted them, Capcom wouldn't even notice. The Fighting Game scene has almost no buying power compared to the casual crowd (at least in the US, not sure about other markets). It's also doubtful that Capcom is 'saving money' with games like Fighting Evolution. If they have the funds to produce Resident Evil 4, they have the funds to produce a new Street Fighter. The classic Fighting Genre is losing popularity, just like the other classic genres.

[greeneggs&ham]

thats why im hoppeing someone with alot of c++ skills to make somethin out of marvel engine leaving us with a mvc3 or sfa3 or whatever,then capcom would be looking stupid becuase we would have what we want and leaving them without a quick buck,which they bitch ass will have to come up with somethin quick because there going to be in our positions

[Snowman]

And then Capcom will sue that person for using characters which are copyright to them.

[CDL]

Never did I say SNK reused more sprites than Capcom. I said Capcom has more variety than SNK.

Face it, SS1-5 is the same game. I think the last King of Fighters that had a significant change was 2003. And noone even talked about Fatal Fury/Garou.

All of Capcoms series of games are at least different (Alpha, SF3, the versus games, Darkstalkers).

SNK games while pretty good fighters are still all pretty much the same engine and same look. Not saying that I don't like SNK, just saying that they don't rehash, they just make way too many sequels that aren't really sequels.

Samurai Showdown 2-5 is basically

Samurai Showdown C.E.
Samurai Showdown Turbo
Samurai Showdown The New Challengers

It's not like they added TAG TEAM or interactive environments.

Slash or Bust, was their biggest change.

[Ry Guy]

You stated that you aren't biased, but it's beyond obvious that you are. The first thing that you did when you came into this thread was state something along the lines of, "Well at least Capcom makes new games! Unlike SNK!" This thread had nothing to do with SNK, you only used the company to try and make Capcom seem better in comparison. Not only that, but the way you try to do it doesn't work.

Every company has it's own series. When dealiing with 2-D fighters, those series are rarely revamped, but rather tweaked in an effort to improve the gameplay. Major changes are saved for entirely new series, which are then tweaked themselves. You're complaining that Capcom makes new games while SNK doesn't, but that's just stupid.

Fatal Fury, King of Fighters, Last Blade, Samurai Showdown, Metal Slug, and a few puzzle games on the side are SNK's main works. While Street Fighter 2, Street Fighter 3, Street Fighter Alpha, Dark Stalkers, and the Verus series are Capcom's main works. Each of these series rarely recieved really big changes (the ones that do that come to mind are the Versus series and Fatal Fury, other than that I can't think of anything).

[beelzebubble]

Face it, SS1-5 is the same game.

ARE YOU CRAZY????

have you even played these games?? they arent even remotely like each other.

thats like saying sfa1-3 are the same games...

besides which the engine has changed at least once unlike the sf's you used as an example and there has been more than just tweaking and move changes like the sf's you mentioned.

you seem to be forgetting things like meditation, move from 6 attack buttons to 4 attack buttons, the addition of the movement button, the cd slash system, slash and bust versions, etc etc.