Tekken 1-3, Soul Edge and Soul Calibur tiers?

[Kayin]

Was just wondering this, were these game balanced at all? What were the tiers for them? Or were they overall fairly balanced?

Stupid thread I know but whatever, I'm bored.

[archetype]

Wouldn't it be better to ask at tz.com or any other namco fighting game site?

[Kayin]

Wouldn't it be better to ask at tz.com or any other namco fighting game site?
I don't post at those places. =/ I'm not too much of a Namco player. I was just curious.

[jae hoon]

Im not sure about most of those. All im for sure of is Orge was top tier in T3 really the best character in the game.

[Sliced]

I think Soul Edge was like:

Broke: Soul Edge (final boss, duh)
Top: Cervantes
Mid: All Other Males
Low: Females

This was in 2003 when I talked with an SC2 player about Soul Edge. I don't remember much of details from that, expect Soul Edge was a crappy game.

For SC1, guardimpact.com had the ranking project WCMaxi did, but now GI.com has disappeared. All I remember was Taki was top, Mina was bottom, the rest were all pretty darn good.

[bowiegranap]

Tekken 2: I think Kazuya and Heichachi would be top.

[CarpeNoctumXIII]

I think for T2 Devil was top as well.

[Black Sakazaki]

T1/2 Heihachi and Kazuya were top, everybody else didn'yt matter much.
T3 1.Heihachi/Jin
2.Lei/Xiaoyu
3.everbody else was pretty even
Soul Calibur 1.Cervantes
2.Not too sure on anybody else

[Sonic_Reaper]

This was in 2003 when I talked with an SC2 player about Soul Edge. I don't remember much of details from that, expect Soul Edge was a crappy game.

Funny, I enjoyed it more than Soul Calibur or Soul Calibur 2.

[graffiti_sex]

SC1
Top - Cervantes, Taki
I would say Cervantes was top but Taki Posession game was too much for Sc1. If Taki had in SC1 what she has in SC2 then it wouldnt even be a reason to play lol.

Middle - everybody else

Bottom - Seung Mina (ass 8way run and one sided tracking)


SC2 Mina on the other hand. . she plays like a whole new person.

[!!Sazabi!!]

T1/2 Heihachi and Kazuya were top, everybody else didn'yt matter much.
T3 1.Heihachi/Jin
2.Lei/Xiaoyu
3.everbody else was pretty even

T1-you mean a.king was top and everyone else didnt matter
T3-ogre, jin, ling

[Duck Strong]

I never figured Jin was up there in T3, he was good but he couldn't compare to some of the crazy shit Law could do with his retarded punch parry.

And Yoshi was on top in T2. In fact it's the only game where he was anywhere near the best.

[jae hoon]

Jin wasnt top tier in T3, thats a rumor that people just seem to want to believe.

Ogre, Law and Hei is usually the concensous.

[Slide]

In SC1, wasn't Maxi considered the best or near best?

[Duck Strong]

^ Not even close

[Slide]

^ Not even close

So what characters were top tournament winners in SC1?

I know that in SC2 Nightmare wasn't considered top on paper, but would blast tourneys.

Maxi didn't completely suck in SC1 did he?

[Infested Jester]

Jin wasnt top tier in T3, thats a rumor that people just seem to want to believe.

Ogre, Law and Hei is usually the concensous.


All the old T3 Korean vids were Jin and Ogre players, Jin was up there.

[roninwarrior24]

Man, isn't Cervantes top tier in every Soul game? It seems inten tional. Also, the Mishimas always seem to get high tiers (when was Heihachi low tier or not high tier besides PS2 SC2?). The tiers seem obvious in these games (Cervy gets a top spot in a Soul game, while you always see a Mishima on top in the old Tekkens).

[Saotome Kaneda]

That's like saying Jin and Hwoarang are top in T5 because there's so many vids of them.:confused:

I remember when Hwang was found in Soul Edge, made Mitsurugi obsolete. IIRC, Hwang was the best non-Cervantes male in SE, and was like, top 7 or so in SC1.

T1, Armor King broke the game.

T2, IIRC it was Devil, then Kaz/Hei, then random male. =/

T3, Ogre > Hei = Law >>> Jin > Everyone else > Kuma/Gun Jack. It's sad that Gun Jack and Kuma are the only ones that can't escape Hei/Jin/Ogre Unblockable tech traps(launch, juggle, UB).

[Superking]

Everyone else > Kuma/Gun Jack. It's sad that Gun Jack and Kuma are the only ones that can't escape Hei/Jin/Ogre Unblockable tech traps(launch, juggle, UB).

Isn't this still the same in T5? :rofl:

[jae hoon]

Man, isn't Cervantes top tier in every Soul game? It seems inten tional. Also, the Mishimas always seem to get high tiers (when was Heihachi low tier or not high tier besides PS2 SC2?). The tiers seem obvious in these games (Cervy gets a top spot in a Soul game, while you always see a Mishima on top in the old Tekkens).

The Koreans play DJ to and he isnt top tier. They also dont play Nina because they think shes boring.

Jin is high mid tier not top. He has 1,1,2 and EWGF thats that it. His electric isnt even as good as Heihachis and what Saotome said.

Me and Bronson just had a discussion about this the other day funny enough. Talking about how every T3 topic that comes up people seem to think Jin is top tier. We both agreed he wasnt.

[Saotome Kaneda]

Isn't this still the same in T5? :rofl:
Hah. =p I think Kuma gets off now, but Jack doesn't. I'll check.

And I mean, they can't get out of it by conventional means(lying there) because it fucking hits them grounded. :sad:

[jae hoon]

Hah. =p I think Kuma gets off now, but Jack doesn't. I'll check.

And I mean, they can't get out of it by conventional means(lying there) because it fucking hits them grounded. :sad:


Jack is much better in T5 then Kuma. Kuma and Lei hold down bottom tier by themselves.

[bloodriot]

wait hold up so cervantes is playable in soul calibur the arcade version? wtf?

And Taki is tops? Give some examples of her broken shit plz :clap:

[Sliced]

Maxi didn't completely suck in SC1 did he?A lot of Maxi players in SC2 wanted SC1 Maxi back, because he had a lot of combo strings removed in SC2. SC1 Maxi could pressure people unlike SC2 Maxi where you had to be safe.

Man, isn't Cervantes top tier in every Soul game?IIRC WCMaxi had him in the lower half, near bottom? I forget, but he wasn't top.

I remember when Hwang was found in Soul Edge, made Mitsurugi obsolete. IIRC, Hwang was the best non-Cervantes male in SE, and was like, top 7 or so in SC1. Hwang had all Mitsu's movelist in SE, outside of throw animations. Did he have some wack properties that made him better to play as?

[insanelee]

american rankings

ogre1 hei law
jin
other ppl that im too lazy to list.

t3 btw

bronson

[Zigmover21]

Most SC1 tier lists are highly suspect, as the game didn't have much of a competitive following. The ranking project had Cervy as 2nd to last, yet the French tore up everybody with some viscious Cervy bullshit. SC1 had a lot of crazy bullshit now that I think about it. I highly doubt the game's supposed balance would've held up if it had become more popular.

[The Chef]

I don't think it matters whether you class Jin in top tier or not.

I really don't think there is that much difference between Jin and Hei/Law.
All hail the EWGF!!! (and wavedash WS+2 cancel)

Rehan (Dead Man Inc.)

[Ryu1999]

The Koreans play DJ to and he isnt top tier. They also dont play Nina because they think shes boring.

Jin is high mid tier not top. He has 1,1,2 and EWGF thats that it. His electric isnt even as good as Heihachis and what Saotome said.

Me and Bronson just had a discussion about this the other day funny enough. Talking about how every T3 topic that comes up people seem to think Jin is top tier. We both agreed he wasnt.

Koreans actually think DJ is top tier though...and they actually win current tourneys with him which means it isn't just a rumor :)

[Saotome Kaneda]

Jack is much better in T5 then Kuma. Kuma and Lei hold down bottom tier by themselves.
I wasn't talking about their tier status...=x

[JamMasterJom]

im willing to say ling is better than hei and law in t3

talking to truking, heihachi isnt even considered top 3 in t3.

[bloodriot]

:( nobody answered my questions

[Saotome Kaneda]

Cervy isn't in the arcade version.

Taki is sick. Never played a good one in those days, though. I do remember raping people in DC SC1 with Hwang...

[JamMasterJom]

btw wasnt lizardman #1 in sc1?

he had a just frame instant unblockable that you could only jump out of because it was a floor pound. lead into a free launch once it stunned you from the floor pound.

and if i remember correctly lizardman could RO you from the middle of any stage after a launcher

[Khiempossible]

ringing out anyone with just about anyone was pretty easy in sc1. Maxi and Asta both won too many matches to ring outs.

[The Game mario316]

Im not sure about most of those. All im for sure of is Orge was top tier in T3 really the best character in the game.

Ogre was tied for nina I believe.

Law was numero uno in T3.

Ling had damaged but overall law dominated. CH Standing 4 into junkyard was all you really needed.

All I remember.

[Som]

law was not the best.

ogre1 was by far the best.

[BloodRiotIori]

btw wasnt lizardman #1 in sc1?

he had a just frame instant unblockable that you could only jump out of because it was a floor pound. lead into a free launch once it stunned you from the floor pound.

and if i remember correctly lizardman could RO you from the middle of any stage after a launcher

It wasn't exactly from middle of stages, but it did RO pretty far. He also had a lot of abusable frame stuff, strength + speed. Sophitia also had the iGT, that wasn't that broken.

[JamMasterJom]

law was not the best.

ogre1 was by far the best.

last i heard ogre had like only 2 moves to track a certain ss so you could turtle like fuck against him and just attack when needed

same thing with heihachi

call me and we'll talk marvel for another hour

[jae hoon]

last i heard ogre had like only 2 moves to track a certain ss so you could turtle like fuck against him and just attack when needed

same thing with heihachi

call me and we'll talk marvel for another hour

Well you heard wrong Ogre is pretty much considered undisputed best. Then Hei, Law or Law Hei, Jin

[JamMasterJom]

well i heard from one of the best players in the u.s. who actually played during tekken 3

and honestly id give it to him, 1truking

[jae hoon]

well i heard from one of the #1 players in the u.s. who actually played during tekken 3

and honestly id give it to him, 1truking


I could say the same thing about Bronson. And I did play T3

[JamMasterJom]

bronson is one of the best players now, and i remember him starting with ttt, not t3.

im talking actually playing t3 in the biggest tournaments across the country during the time when there wasnt even a ttt to play.

[insanelee]

t5 nina can be ssl all day does that make her shitty?, just bc t3 ogre1 cant track a certain way WELL doesnt mean he doesnt have the means to be tops.

bronson.

[JamMasterJom]

well im not saying hes shitty but im saying if what 1truking says about ogre is true that he wouldnt be an undisputable #1

i dont play t3 though and ive never played it seriously, so i dont know the game indepth like which sidestep vs which moves and other shit

[Som]

ogre1 = #1

[JamMasterJom]

and this is why we're playing for money now

:tup:

[Obliterate]

Kazuya is top tier in all of those games, just cause he's so fuckin evil. I took a liken to him for that reason, first time that I could think of in a fighting game that the main character was fucked up in the head. Come here son...come here father...let me give you a hug, right before I gut punch you into Spinning Electric God Fist your asses off a fuckin cliff. I always thought that SF would be more interesting if Ryu turned evil and just killed off all the other characters, and SF4 would be about Ryu just standing there bored. What do you want from me? It's like 4 am and I have to get ready for work.

As far as tiers I don't know about Soul Calibur that much, but in Tekken 2 (going by the strat guide): Top teir was Law, Nina, Paul, Kazuya

Tekken 3: Ogre (not true ogre), Law, Paul, Nina, Bryan, Jin (I don't remember the exact number listing, but I'm trying to remember who was in top ten)

One good thing about Tekken, is that it seemed very easy to master more then one character. I never had a problem developing my skills with like 10 characters. Personal favorites being Jin, Kazuya, Heichachi, Yoshimitsu, Bryan, Law, Paul, Nina, Baek or Hwoarang

[The Game mario316]

Koreans ranked Law 1. Simply cause of Standing 4 which had the highest priority in the game besides the fact that Law took an insane amount of life in that game. Kinda glad that namco went back to its old roots in Tekken 5 making him top again. Not number 1 but top 5.

[JamMasterJom]

im sure yoshis df+4 had more priority than laws 4.

[Zakuta]

Tekken3, Ling can run rings around everyone....and she does good damage and has quite a few mean setups. Not to mention CH launching strings. :) I'd consider her the best if she plays at her best.

Ogre can give you couple licks and that's you off. Easier to use and to do damage with. You'll be lucky to actually get the guaranteed shit though, besides WM which can happen at almost any time in a match.


Ling = Brought In.

[Agmaster]

So...Paul is ass then? I refuse to believe someone with counters, a high/low game, phoenix smash to be weak.

[Duck Strong]

Reversals suck past tekken 2 and phoenix smasher does not make paul good.

[shadowcharlie]

t3, didnt hei have the old reversal kick notations? where u can hide it in dashes? wouldnt that make any 4 setup with law only o k? i dont recall thou.

anyone can explain a king in t1?

[Saotome Kaneda]

t3, didnt hei have the old reversal kick notations? where u can hide it in dashes? wouldnt that make any 4 setup with law only o k? i dont recall thou.

anyone can explain a king in t1?
Had many things to do with having King's df+1, Mishima's Godfists, and the best throws in the game(40% off a right throw?)...

[JamMasterJom]

that and df+1 on block was roughly +44

[shadowcharlie]

so could he hit kaz lvl of damage combos? i never played a king in t1 so i dunno how hhis wgf worked exactly -_- but i am curious

[Obliterate]

I always prefered armor king. He basically had the same moves as king, combos, but he didn't have link throws (or not as many), which in my book is a good thing being people can break that shit. Kazuya always owned the bigger characters for fuckin free...all you had to do was a stun gut punch (forgot the name of it), right in the mother fuckin unblockable. Shit would hit as soon as the bitches hit the floor. All this talk of Tekken is making me want to buy a PS2 again (I gave mine away to my older brother). People say Steve is broke as hell in Tekken 5, hell if I know if it's true, but he has some kind of 100% combo that is very easy or something to that effect. So broke that some wanted him to be banned from tournament, or something like that. For that and Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution.

[Duck Strong]

Everyone's talking about A.King in Tekken 1, but I seem to remember that the extra characters were only playable in the PS1 version. Am I dreaming?

[bloodriot]

Cervy isn't in the arcade version.

Taki is sick. Never played a good one in those days, though. I do remember raping people in DC SC1 with Hwang...

I only use nightmare and siggy I've been getting decent results but I've only seen one really good taki player, I must pick her up.... show those sc nerds who's boss

[Terry_nb]

In Tekken 2 Kaz, Heihachi and Bruce were some real monsters, especially the Mishimas with their 80% juggels and mid wgf ... I think in Tekken 3 it was all about Ogre, Heihachi then Jin and Nina. Like a lot of people said before Cervi owned big time in Soul Edge!

[Monarc G.]

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http://www.tekkenpr.com/

[Saotome Kaneda]

Everyone's talking about A.King in Tekken 1, but I seem to remember that the extra characters were only playable in the PS1 version. Am I dreaming?
I remember there being codes that allowed you to use them in either T1 or T2...=/

[Khiempossible]

donno about soul edge, but he sucked balls in sc1, 3[B] NBS B was only guaranteed on counter. Asta was top tier cause his throws weren't GIable, so he had perfect 50/50 on every GI.

[The Game mario316]

im sure yoshis df+4 had more priority than laws 4.

No it didnt. They trade but Law still gets a ch and a mix up opportunity...

Nina was next to Law. She is still a bitch. Poking very good and her damage was ridiculous

Paul is mid simply cause 2 hits = death.

[JamMasterJom]

yoshis df+4 would murk any move in the game when it came to priority

and if i remember correctly ling had the same 4 as law

[Monarc G.]

Guys! whos tekken 5 best player right now in US?(or at least some of the best.)

[Adam Warlock]

Guys! whos tekken 5 best player right now in US?(or at least some of the best.)
I met your boy Tyrant Demon at the last tourney in orlando.

[Monarc G.]

I met your boy Tyrant Demon at the last tourney in orlando.


Also someone named Kasht is there, hes a beast with julia, and there are some plans of the best from here to go there.

[jae hoon]

Guys! whos tekken 5 best player right now in US?(or at least some of the best.)


Bronson, JOP or Tommy.

[The Game mario316]

yoshis df+4 would murk any move in the game when it came to priority

and if i remember correctly ling had the same 4 as law


It's not faster than his 4. It beats almost everything except high crushes but its even risky to high crush. Shit even beats electrics.

[JamMasterJom]

It's not faster than his 4. It beats almost everything except high crushes but its even risky to high crush. Shit even beats electrics.

speed =|= priority

and the best player in the u.s. is tom or arario

[TYRANT DEMON]

I met your boy Tyrant Demon at the last tourney in orlando.

really? who was you there?

~{TD's Out}~

[TrueSephiroth]

Gah...I hated Law in T3 when I played against him with Jin...wtf, but I hated Ogre more :sad:. I'm just glad that in TTT I was able to lay more of an ass beating with my Jin on them :tup:. I know I shouldn't say this, but they really need to bring back mid-hitting EWGF :karate:, I know it won't happen again, but still.

[iNH]

ewgf never hit mid

h or sm take your pick

[Khiempossible]

sM, block recovery + sturn > whiff frames + no stun

[Adam Warlock]

really? who was you there?

~{TD's Out}~

I was the black guy who played marvel with you for a bit. I mostly played CVS2. On Friday night, I brought David's stick over to marvel and played a round with you.

[The Game mario316]

ewgf never hit mid

h or sm take your pick

until tag...

[Adam Warlock]

until tag...
No, EWGF still doesn't hit mid, not even in tag.

[The Game mario316]

No, EWGF still doesn't hit mid, not even in tag.

Yeah it did.

Hei's hit mid and Jin's hit Special Mid.

[TrueSephiroth]

Yeah it did.

Hei's hit mid and Jin's hit Special Mid.

I concur :tup: iNH, you need to check the TTT game again, that's one of the reasons why the Mishima's owned in TTT.

[Adam Warlock]

Yeah it did.

Hei's hit mid and Jin's hit Special Mid.
I think they're BOTH special mid (not mid), but I can't check until I get home.

[Veib]

Hei - sm
Jin - ewgf is h, ewgf~5 is sm

[JamMasterJom]

please dont front on whats been basic knowledge for years

veib got it all right

[Adam Warlock]

please dont front on whats been basic knowledge for years

veib got it all right
That's what I thought. And after checking Tekken Zaibatsu it says the same thing.