View Full Version : Rushdown Characters: Who is the best?
the topic started here but kinda of die down a lil.....but i thought it was a really good topic so i brought it here :clap:
http://www.coloradofusion.net/forum/showthread.php?t=701&page=1
LyNkS
06-24-2005, 02:26 PM
magneto
like in the topic posted above most did argee and probabaly will argee that mag is the king ....but how About a top 5 rundown...from anygame 2d or 3d
Superking
06-24-2005, 02:32 PM
The Scorpion
bbq sauce
06-24-2005, 03:06 PM
Magneto + assist.
Rhio2k
06-24-2005, 03:13 PM
Regular Chris is pretty damn evil...
Dios <-X->
06-24-2005, 03:21 PM
Sent with capcom assist imo
captain squash
06-24-2005, 03:23 PM
millia rage
Magneto hands down, you don't get better than that in any game.
Panicked
06-24-2005, 06:18 PM
Eddie: GGXX#R
Midnight
06-24-2005, 06:22 PM
Rogue (Marvel)
Jam (GGXX#R)
L. Raptor (Darkstalkers)
Ano Otoko
06-24-2005, 06:54 PM
Wolverine was designed exclusively by Akiman.
Wolverine wins.
Ouroborus
06-24-2005, 07:27 PM
duo lon and wolverine
El Maniatico
06-24-2005, 07:29 PM
Magneto.
Agmaster
06-25-2005, 12:00 PM
Sol Badguy.
Doren2k
06-25-2005, 12:06 PM
JAM!!!! Woot, also Chipp, and Sol.
PozerWolf
06-25-2005, 12:26 PM
Ky Kiske that shit!
qwazy
06-25-2005, 12:49 PM
chipp (ggxx/#r)
wolvie (mvc)
magnus (mvc2)
millia (ggxx/#r)
kyo (cvs2)
Cman3214
06-25-2005, 06:08 PM
All the charaters in The rumble fish 2.
Anakaris In CFE :clap:
Nah seriously, I think Magneto is the best
Terry_nb
06-25-2005, 10:15 PM
I vote for Kyo in his 98 incarnation, he could really put a rushdown on anyone with his speed, good combos and lots of autoguard moves.
CarpeNoctumXIII
06-25-2005, 11:03 PM
Magneto and Duo Lon.
#reload
06-25-2005, 11:49 PM
Fox in ssbm
Ill E
06-26-2005, 12:04 AM
magneto.. u can just rush that shyt down with mag.. especially after flying screen, he can fake u out with a low short or if u block low trijump short OR he can superjump airdash straigh down to fake the overhead and then do short, short+assist into infinite or reset or whatever. mags is just too quick.
Saotome Kaneda
06-26-2005, 01:11 AM
WW Gief.
McDOOM
06-26-2005, 01:17 AM
Seconds Fox from SSB:M along with Capt.Falcon
Zandwich
06-26-2005, 01:29 AM
MAgnus thats why they named magnets after him because he is so fast
ShinjiGohan
06-26-2005, 02:10 AM
I think after today Jeron would have to partially agree with my saying Pullum Purna in EX3 is among the best. Nods to V.Rosso as well.
Ry Guy
06-26-2005, 02:12 AM
It would seem that Magneto gets the popular vote
Ano Otoko
06-26-2005, 02:28 AM
MAgnus thats why they named magnets after him because he is so fast...........
epsilon_
06-26-2005, 05:27 PM
MAgnus thats why they named magnets after him because he is so fast
LOL good shit.
Chaotic Blue
06-26-2005, 05:50 PM
XX Sol Badguy with meter, Even if put in marvel engine mash out and dp rc and that kills any rush down, plus gunflame frc with that fast timing is broken. Magneto dies to fly back hit fierce with sent. Sol would just dp that shit.
Chaotic Blue
Ouroborus
06-26-2005, 06:39 PM
dash in do nothing > dps
DevilJin 01
06-26-2005, 11:30 PM
:devil: Orochi Howard Dean!!!
yozansen_king
06-27-2005, 12:47 AM
Rouge-MVC2
Spiral/Drones-MVC2
Guy with the chainsaw from Time Killers
Mags or storm/ anything really- MVC2
coreografo
02-15-2006, 08:46 AM
v.rosso (ex2plus)
magneto (mvc2)
eddie (ggxxr)
strider (mvc1)
Captain Ryu
02-15-2006, 09:17 AM
No akuma?
Hollow
02-15-2006, 09:24 AM
Pick a character from Melty Blood...Doesn't matter which one...
JeRon
02-15-2006, 12:06 PM
WW Gief.
WINNER!!!!
OWNED!!! lol
Nah best RD is V. Rosso EX2+
gouki10
02-15-2006, 12:08 PM
Rushdown Characters: Who Is The Best?............yo Momma On My Dick.........oooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
archetype
02-15-2006, 12:26 PM
MAgnus thats why they named magnets after him because he is so fast
DAMN :rofl: :rofl:
Demon Dash
02-15-2006, 01:08 PM
Well it's certainly not Magneto I can tell you that.
versus addict
02-15-2006, 02:15 PM
Remy in 3S :lovin:
nothingxs
02-15-2006, 02:38 PM
'98 Iori? :confused:
Magneto is way too extreme in his area to consider anything else, to be honest.
DEMON_JIM
02-15-2006, 02:49 PM
Id say Magneto but Ive seen some really damn good rush down storms. Mag may be better at rush down but I find it easier to kill off a Mag then a storm for some reason.
-DJ-
Tigerboi
02-15-2006, 02:58 PM
Fox in SSB.
Taki.
No Yun?
Ultimate Hustla
02-15-2006, 03:01 PM
Stryder + Doom assist
Thread Closed.
Magnetro
02-15-2006, 04:04 PM
I wonder who I think is the fastest...
BB Hood
02-15-2006, 04:07 PM
Dhalsim/Storm
gouki10
02-15-2006, 09:10 PM
I wonder who I think is the fastest...
........why do i have the feeling it's........not mag...but ......Dhalsim?.....o_-.......
geadom
02-15-2006, 09:32 PM
Fei-Long (ST)
Guy (A3)
Iori, Morrigan(CvS2)
ArcadeFire
02-15-2006, 09:43 PM
3S: Yun, Yang, and Makoto
KOF: Gato and Oswald
NGBC: NEO-DIO and Hotaru
BrwnbellyYankee
02-15-2006, 10:25 PM
02 billy kane
Hokuto no Jeffro
02-15-2006, 10:30 PM
Mag, but 3S Akuma puts the pressure on like no other.
Zazzarius
02-15-2006, 10:49 PM
Taki.
Quit spelling Toki wrong. Now he's friggin fast!
supermin
02-15-2006, 10:55 PM
honda rushes for free and he's crazy (http://www.fantasticandfriends.net/images/honda.png)
Suupaa
02-15-2006, 11:04 PM
honda rushes for free and he's crazy (http://www.fantasticandfriends.net/images/honda.png)
rofl.
Jetta in speed-up mode, Eternal Champions.
Terry_nb
02-16-2006, 04:17 AM
Let's not forget RB2 Terry.^^
Demon Dash
02-16-2006, 07:47 AM
^Or Garou Terry for that matter.
TheDarkPhoenix
02-16-2006, 08:15 AM
BEST rush down of any game is magneto BY FAR, followed by his buddy storm...Put them in any fighting game and they'll dominate it.
Everyone else is pretty much on the same lvl as far as rush down. If they just made a massive fighting game in 3D and each rush down character keep the same tricks of there trade from previous game storm and mag's would own it.
HaiDuongRiceMan
02-16-2006, 11:31 AM
This thread should have stopped at the first response.
SNAAAAKE
02-16-2006, 11:44 AM
cvs2 - A-bison with a FUCKING FRESH CAN OF PAINT !!:nunchuck:
Shodokan123
02-16-2006, 11:53 AM
cvs2 - A-bison with a FUCKING FRESH CAN OF PAINT !!:nunchuck:
sonny that really isnt rushdown.. lol thats more like "you attack me and you get painted"
This thread is mostly just people who've only played MvC2/CvS2/3S and/or GG.
MvC Wolverine was serious. Marvel vs SF Wolverine was straight-up BROKEN. Not any of this "oOOOH, MAGNETO might RESET YOU!! Tri-jump!" Wolverine will fucking kill you with one combo, and gets meter for free in MSF.
edit: he will also attack your children.
gilley
02-16-2006, 02:54 PM
Agreed. Most of these people don't understand that magneto's rushdown isn't all that good in XSF. It's the whole helper system that makes him that much better. Personally, I think MvC2 should be left out of this poll.
TempestFox
02-16-2006, 03:13 PM
Aran
specs
02-16-2006, 04:07 PM
Red Venom
Pichu
Omarius Maximus
02-16-2006, 04:40 PM
Chuck Norris. He can roundhouse your ass and its over. He could kick magneto's ass no problem.
MagnuScruB
02-16-2006, 05:13 PM
dahlsim from xmvsf.
ArcadeFire
02-16-2006, 05:22 PM
Chuck Norris. He can roundhouse your ass and its over. He could kick magneto's ass no problem.
^ Did'nt Mr. Wizard outlaw the Chuck Norris crap?
Agreed. Most of these people don't understand that magneto's rushdown isn't all that good in XSF. It's the whole helper system that makes him that much better. Personally, I think MvC2 should be left out of this poll.
I don't think you've seen a decent magnus on xvsf.
Hydra632
02-16-2006, 05:55 PM
Toki from Fist of the North Star. His command dash is almost Duo Lon status. he can rush that shit with the best of em.
Dark Geese
02-16-2006, 07:33 PM
Magneto and Duo Lon I have to agree on that one!!!
I have to agree with Jake on the Magnus XVSF thing...you probably havent seen a decent XVSF Mag..
Mark Beast
02-16-2006, 07:40 PM
Stryder + Doom assist
Thread Closed.
yeziiiir.
Sonic_Reaper
02-16-2006, 08:06 PM
This thread is mostly just people who've only played MvC2/CvS2/3S and/or GG.
MvC Wolverine was serious. Marvel vs SF Wolverine was straight-up BROKEN. Not any of this "oOOOH, MAGNETO might RESET YOU!! Tri-jump!" Wolverine will fucking kill you with one combo, and gets meter for free in MSF.
edit: he will also attack your children.
Eh? Broken? Not really. Wolvy was really good at RD in MSH yeah, however, the way the game was made didn't make him dominate. Omega wasn't too far behind (not so much because of RD but cause he was an excellent character) as well as Blackheart - and the whole point of Blackheart is to keep the opponent away. An awesome BH player didn't even let Wolvy RD. The reason he was so good at RD is cause basically he could connect almost anything off of anything, had pretty much no recovery time, comboed into all of his supers with ease in multiple situations ... well the list goes on.
Are we talking about just plain RD theory or taking into account the separate games with regards to balance? Wolvy wasn't all that bad in MSH IMO - a good character with excellent RD, but still got easily beaten by other characters.
And Geadom mentioned Guy in Alpha 3 ... to that ... fuck, I totally agree. I fucking HATE Guy in Alpha 3 that link/sliding bitch.
Hydra632
02-16-2006, 09:39 PM
Chuck Norris. He can roundhouse your ass and its over. He could kick magneto's ass no problem.
BAN!
As gilley pointed out, assists being the way they are in MvC2 changes a lot. Half of the reason Magneto is so good is because of his defense; he can rush you down but it's more work to rush him down, and for smaller reward. If you kept Magneto the way he was but put him in the MvC1 system you would see him getting slapped around by Strider and losing to Red Venom at least 6/4 (thanks for bringing him up, btw...forgot about that), and probably GWM/WM. IMO.
Eh? Broken? Not really. Wolvy was really good at RD in MSH yeah, however, the way the game was made didn't make him dominate. Omega wasn't too far behind (not so much because of RD but cause he was an excellent character) as well as Blackheart - and the whole point of Blackheart is to keep the opponent away. An awesome BH player didn't even let Wolvy RD. The reason he was so good at RD is cause basically he could connect almost anything off of anything, had pretty much no recovery time, comboed into all of his supers with ease in multiple situations ... well the list goes on.
Are we talking about just plain RD theory or taking into account the separate games with regards to balance? Wolvy wasn't all that bad in MSH IMO - a good character with excellent RD, but still got easily beaten by other characters.
And Geadom mentioned Guy in Alpha 3 ... to that ... fuck, I totally agree. I fucking HATE Guy in Alpha 3 that link/sliding bitch.
Wolverine being "easily beaten" by other characters, with a possible nod to Iron Body Zangief, is an overstatement. It's like saying Magneto is "easily beaten" by Sentinel....yeah, sometimes. Or, sometimes not.
"Broken" is a relative term, I guess. I consider the speed-up infinite to be pretty bad, even though Omega Red, BH, and IBZ can fight him, Wolvie is still pretty ugly. but Vega can fight Akuma in ST and Guile can fight Bison in AE...that doesn't mean they're not to good. He's not INSANE broken, but if the game were popular, it would boil down to Wolverine teams and anti-Wolverine teams, with a few odd characters sprinkled in. Blackheart's problem is that even though he has full access to his crazy-good normal attacks (unlike in MvC2), he has issues with dealing proportionate damage, AFAIK. Wolverine can afford more mistakes than BH, so while BH can keep him out, Wolverine still has theadvantage. Also, he can't cancel his jumping/sj attacks with and air-dash like in MvC2, which hurts him. Not an awful match, though. Keep in mind I haven't played arcade MSH vs SF in a million years.
geadom
02-17-2006, 04:18 AM
And Geadom mentioned Guy in Alpha 3 ... to that ... fuck, I totally agree. I fucking HATE Guy in Alpha 3 that link/sliding bitch.
:rofl: I use him. That's how i know....
A few More:
Yun (SA3 w/meter) 3s.
K Kyo, KCammy (CvS2)
Balrog (Boxer) ST (At least the way i use him)
Sonic_Reaper
02-17-2006, 01:13 PM
I was just playing Alpha 3 yesterday on MAME. Was getting ass raped really bad like 14-1 against a Guy player. I don't want to make excuses, but the lag was pretty bad, the game was running like ass, and I was sweating buckets all over my shitty keyboard. Time to invest in a PS2 USB converter or something.
To TS; I wouldn't call Wolvy broken in the least. I know what "infinite" you're referring to with the super that makes him super fast; however it's not really infinite cause once the super is done, he can't do that shit anymore. And the only way to catch an opponent is if they play a pure ground game. You won't see it happening a lot to savvy opponents who can see it coming a mile away. Wolvy is just an all around awesome character - but so's Omega. Spiderman is actually another awesome RD in MSH. We had a little gathering at my University that only played MSH - in fact the MvC machine was right next to it, but no one played cause we all agreed McV was fucking broken as shit and MSH was the most balanced and methodic versus games. It pains me when retards on kaillera go "ZOMG THIS GAYM IS 2 SLUW TUBRO 2 TURBI 2!!111!!!!1!11!" because for some reason fast = better.
marcusg
02-17-2006, 07:50 PM
Shin Akuma, Maki CvS 2
Jam, Bridget GGR#(Pretty much almost anybody imo if u can false roman cancel.)
Talim Soul Calibur 2
Ibuki Sf 3rd strike
FMJaguar
02-17-2006, 08:00 PM
CvS2 Shin Akuma is comedy, i remember the first time i got to him, he killed my r1 and i was still waiting for them to say Fight!.
To TS; I wouldn't call Wolvy broken in the least. I know what "infinite" you're referring to with the super that makes him super fast; however it's not really infinite cause once the super is done, he can't do that shit anymore. And the only way to catch an opponent is if they play a pure ground game. You won't see it happening a lot to savvy opponents who can see it coming a mile away. Wolvy is just an all around awesome character - but so's Omega. Spiderman is actually another awesome RD in MSH. We had a little gathering at my University that only played MSH - in fact the MvC machine was right next to it, but no one played cause we all agreed McV was fucking broken as shit and MSH was the most balanced and methodic versus games. It pains me when retards on kaillera go "ZOMG THIS GAYM IS 2 SLUW TUBRO 2 TURBI 2!!111!!!!1!11!" because for some reason fast = better.
You know, you're right. "Broken" is probably a slightly too strong a word to slap ont MSF Wolvie, especially considering BS from other games. Plus, I could have sworn that he could combo into the speed-up super (into the infinite) in the arcade version, but it looks like I was wrong. Whoops.... He's just way too good. And yeah, it's not an infinite isn the strictest terms (you only build about 80% meter back, but considering it's Wolverine, who gets meter for free anyway...), but it does ~100% damage to most characters, assuming they took no hits beforehand, and you can link supers during/after the speed-up ends. 1.5 meters will kill anyone, assuming you can somehow land the combo from the begining of the speed-up super, that is (or at least have enough time to get the first dizzy).
And online play is awful. I played some A3 matches once, and I had a full 2 seconds of lag, and of course got swept....and then the dude started talking shit...wtf I was on a keyboard and playing the match from YESTERDAY, there was so much lag. Anyone who thinks they're hot shit on A3 because they win kailera matches, please, please find me at Evo.
Thx.
Sonic_Reaper
02-18-2006, 03:40 AM
Oh man I so know where you're coming from. I usually don't like saying anything, cause hey, a win's a win right? But seriously the delay was causing me to miss correct blocking. I'd get hit overhead with no time to get up, get tripped with no time to crouch. But in the end, I commend the other players, especially if they strive through the lag and input commands beforehand. It's easy with Guy though - high, low, chain, slide, slide, slide, chain, random super slide, slide, slide, throw ... He has a lot of options and can come at you quickly with both highs and lows. Man some epic matches I had on console though with Guy vs. Chun - obviously better there cause I could break through the RS with no delay.
But yeah I've got caught in Wolvy's rapist super in MSH before. It's not so bad. With BH, if you're smart, you'll be in the air whoring mk like a 2 cent prostitute on 20th street. No chance for Wolvy to really get ya. Of course I don't recommend that shit with every character (staying airbourne).
Sahao
02-18-2006, 07:40 PM
Why do I see Eddie in GG series here
Its rushdown, not lockdown
In rushdown you can still consider what to do and react within 1 frame or 2
In lockdown you dont, you just block.
In Eddie case, not even dead angle nor Burst could save you from lockdown, that mini Eddie just takes the hit for it
Anywho
(MvC) Wolverine
(MvC2) Magneto
(SF2:st) Balrog
(SF3:3s) Akuma
(KoF:any) Iori
(GGxx) Chipp
(Fist) Toki
(Rumble2) Hazama
(Soul2) Talim
roninwarrior24
02-18-2006, 10:05 PM
Uhh, can Chris rushdown in KOF '98? I know he has all these death combos and such, so can he be considered a rushdown character?
About the best RD: Mags and Storm are at the top of the food chain, but don't forget the Tae Kwon Do characters in T5 (I think), Lau/Akira (VF4), Makoto (3s), and whatever else. Oh, and one question: Is there any kind of rushdown in the SS games? If so, list who are the best at it in each game (1-5 SP, Tenka), and why. Nothing seems to combo in these games to me (maybe because I suck at the games, or because SS4 is the only one that lets me combo things).
white shadow
02-18-2006, 11:05 PM
Kanae in Dual Blades.
Mixah
02-18-2006, 11:41 PM
MvC2: MAGNUS
Vampire Savior: Queen Bee or Zabel
GGXX: Venom that shit the FUCK down
Akzidenz
02-18-2006, 11:59 PM
Yun isn't even close to being a good rushdown character in 3s.. half of his game is keep-away, and he has a limited amount of combos into the only thing that makes him worth playing at all (SAIII). Yang's a little better just because his EX Mantis is so nasty. What makes Yun a good rushdown character? Cross-up dive kicks on wakeup that are easily parried or blocked? A slow command throw? Unless they have GJ ready, every good Yun I've ever played has backed off as soon they scored a knockdown and mashed on Cr. Strong.. that's less scary than trying to wakeup against Sean.
Makoto is a crazy rushdown character, but Akuma is tops (regardless of the fact that he takes hits like a 5-year-old girl) because he has more options than anyone else, most of them are safe, and all of them are scary. Even if you take his dragon-kick mixup out of the game (because the best of the best will knock you out of it every time) he's scarier than the rest of the cast.
And don't say Remy or Ibuki just because you play them. :P
Akuma.
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EDIT: I know this makes no sense theoretically, but good Ryus also scare the shit out of me on wakeup. Don't know why.
Sahao
02-19-2006, 12:27 AM
The ONLY reason why I said Yun is a rush character is because his SA3, that shit will rush you down.
Makoto rush is more like Slayer to me. You either get hit, or grab/bite
But after I thought about it a little more, Akuma it is top
Akzidenz
02-19-2006, 02:02 AM
The ONLY reason why I said Yun is a rush character is because his SA3, that shit will rush you down.
Makoto rush is more like Slayer to me. You either get hit, or grab/bite
But after I thought about it a little more, Akuma it is top
The thing about Yun is that, 90% of the time, good Yun players will combo into GJ instead of using it to pressure. If they randomly activiate GJ, they're going to burn half of their meter just trying to get in the first hit (which they may not even get). The only time I see GJ used outside of combos for pressuring is during matches where the Yun is either within a few hits of a win (so no juggle is necessary), or during matches where the Yun player is getting desparate.
And yeah, Makoto's rush is sort of like Slayer's (from what limited GG knowledge I have).. but she scares the shit out of me because she has so many tools with such high priorities, and they all force you to make split-second decisions because you don't get knocked down too much (instead of a normal wakeup, where you have a second or two to think about how you're getting rushed down). If she can keep you disoriented, and keep guessing correctly, she can take half of your lifebar before you realize what happened.
Sonic_Reaper
02-19-2006, 01:24 PM
Hm, I'm not sure about Makoto. She seems horribly random. As long as you zone her within dash (her dash) distance with random light pokes she can't really realiably get in, and basically anything stops her dash. Once she's in, there are several ways to beat her out with any character. However, thus is the nature of SF3, slightly more defensive than offensive. Regardless, Makoto players will constantly trying to be going for her command grab.
Hokuto no Jeffro
02-19-2006, 02:25 PM
Random is sorta accurate. She has her off days and on days. But when you're on... SAIII and genocide. Apparently she's top tier, but not higher then all the rest I think. If she had a more reliable method of getting close, then she would be the best.
Akzidenz
02-19-2006, 02:37 PM
Apparently she's top tier, but not higher then all the rest I think.
She's top tier in Japan, I'm pretty sure it's Yun > Chun > Makoto > Ken.
Rhio2k
02-19-2006, 03:02 PM
Uhh, can Chris rushdown in KOF '98? I know he has all these death combos and such, so can he be considered a rushdown character?
Yes he can. I already listed Chris, but this is a thread that asks a question that encompassess ALL fighters, then chooses to ignore SNK characters, and focuses on characters from either series from dead (fighter-wise) companies, or games that get only *updates* every 2 years or so.
Atb_555
02-19-2006, 03:10 PM
Sol and Millia (GGXX and GGXX#R)
Chipp (GGXX/) Looks that way at the moment considering his upgrades
Steve Fox (Tekken 5.0)
Gato, Oswald, K' (KoFXI) Don't believe K' is then check this vid http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=032DU2YYG0AR42SV0O5ICECQDY
Taki (Soul Calibur II)
Yun SAIII, Makuto SAII maybe Yang SAIII (3rd Strike)
B Janet and Kim Dong Hwan (Garou)
Kyo (CvS2)
K' (NGBC)
I don't know about A3, mainly because there's no dashing, running or small jumps, but I suppose Guy is a rushdown.
SSJGouKi
02-20-2006, 08:48 AM
most people will say magneto here because the vast majority of people are just mvc2 fanboys and played nothing else or dont know anything about any other game. Pure ignornace another words. Here's my list in no particular order:
1. Vanessa: One of the scariest characters in KOF2K2 or in any fighting game period. You can't get any more confusing then her, high/low games with no knockback resulting in almost an endly array of ground games + infinites with a single hit = one sick rushdown character. All this without doing a single jump. Would like to see magnus do this.
2. Melty Blood/Act Cadenza. Has anyone seen these in high level jap play? Almost every character in this game makes magnus rushdown look like a pile of poo. I can't even get into a basic rundown on what you can do in this game, just look at jap play and you'll see what I mean.
3. Darkstalkers/Vampire savior in general: Same thing as the above. Almost every character in this game is just total rushdown. It almost seems broke.
Other characters:
4. Milla
5. Chipp
6. Eddie
7. Wolverine
And a comment about magneto, if you notice all of magnus's rushdown capabilities are based off of almost CONSTANT tri-jumps with short kicks with assists. WOW, lots of varieity there, nuff said.
Hand Hanzo
02-20-2006, 11:27 AM
KOF: Chris, hands down.
CvS2 and SF2: Vega
CFE: Jedah
EDIT: oh shit I forgot one
DS: Hsien-Ko
Dark Strider
02-22-2006, 11:49 AM
As gilley pointed out, assists being the way they are in MvC2 changes a lot. Half of the reason Magneto is so good is because of his defense; he can rush you down but it's more work to rush him down, and for smaller reward. If you kept Magneto the way he was but put him in the MvC1 system you would see him getting slapped around by Strider and losing to Red Venom at least 6/4 (thanks for bringing him up, btw...forgot about that), and probably GWM/WM. IMO.
Wolverine being "easily beaten" by other characters, with a possible nod to Iron Body Zangief, is an overstatement. It's like saying Magneto is "easily beaten" by Sentinel....yeah, sometimes. Or, sometimes not.
"Broken" is a relative term, I guess. I consider the speed-up infinite to be pretty bad, even though Omega Red, BH, and IBZ can fight him, Wolvie is still pretty ugly. but Vega can fight Akuma in ST and Guile can fight Bison in AE...that doesn't mean they're not to good. He's not INSANE broken, but if the game were popular, it would boil down to Wolverine teams and anti-Wolverine teams, with a few odd characters sprinkled in. Blackheart's problem is that even though he has full access to his crazy-good normal attacks (unlike in MvC2), he has issues with dealing proportionate damage, AFAIK. Wolverine can afford more mistakes than BH, so while BH can keep him out, Wolverine still has theadvantage. Also, he can't cancel his jumping/sj attacks with and air-dash like in MvC2, which hurts him. Not an awful match, though. Keep in mind I haven't played arcade MSH vs SF in a million years.
I have to say, I think Wolvie really does have an advantage over most of the cast in MvSF for the simple fact that he just builds meter so ridiculously fast and has dizzy combos. What some people might not remember is that if you catch the speed up infinite and happne to land a hit early enough, you can get enough reps to lead to a dizzy combo. By that time, you would have built enough meter to repeat this combo, or just go for a s.mp XX BBX for good damage. Armor Gief certainly is Wov's toughest match, and I can see other characters giving him some problems, but it's hard for me to really say who.
Anybody remember the tiers for this game anyway? Wasn't it something like
Top-Wolvie/Dark Sakura/Omega Red/Spidey
Mid-shotos/BH/Shuma/ both Giefs/Chun/Sim/Bison/Cyc/CapAm/Mephisto/US Agent
Low-Dan/ Sakura(might have been mid)/
Oh yea, and my votes for top rushdown
keep in mind, I just recently got into SNK games a while ago, so excuse my list for being mostly Capcom related. Also, the games listed next to the character is refering to the games they were actually good in, and is not meant to signify all the games they were featured in.
1) Magz (XvSF, MvC2)
2) Storm (XvSF, MvC2)
3) Wolvie(MSH, XvSF, MvSF)
4) Blanka (SF:CE, CvS series)
5) K-Rock(CvS2) or Jedah (Vampire series/CFJ)
Yea...my list sux.
Harem
02-22-2006, 12:03 PM
Hardly anyone here seems to know what rushdown is really about.
The only possible candidates are: Anji, Servbot, Sean, Dan, and 'Gief. =/
Note: Anji > magz.
Also, zand wins thread for best av. :lovin:
Sahao
02-22-2006, 07:23 PM
In fact Anji in Slash actually is... not rush down heavy, but close
I still cant beleive what they did to him in slash tho.
dev1ant
02-22-2006, 07:27 PM
Wolverine is the man who invented RTSD (MvC1+ MSH)
rayn1984
02-22-2006, 11:51 PM
magneto ,, he can juz rush down very quickly and make an unblocable dash ,, (by doing it up to 7x)
OG MSH vs SF tiers were Omega Red, Wolverine, and Spidey, with the order changing depending on who you asked. Bottom were Dan, Sakura, and Shadow (Charlie). Ryu was higher than the other shotos (and most other characters, being top tier or top of 2nd tier), BH was high, and Cyclops was mid somewhere. CapAm/USAgent had some stupid assist trap that I never bothered to learn, and Ken sucked. Most everybody else was pretty good, IIRC. There's a thread for the game here on SRK (at least one) if you feel like doing a search, and you can always look at alt.games.sf2 via google groups search to see why people tiered them that way.
Dark Strider
02-23-2006, 09:10 AM
Shadow was the one I forgot to mention, I knew I was forgetting somebody. Damn, he was really awful; had no way to combo supers for no apparenty reason. Also didn't know BH was top..
Dark Strider
02-23-2006, 09:21 AM
Shadow was the one I forgot to mention, I knew I was forgetting somebody. Damn, he was really awful now that I remember; had no way to combo supers for no apparenty reason. That's interesting about BH, I had no idea he was top in that game.
Dark Strider
02-23-2006, 09:27 AM
woops
Shadow aint too bad, if you have good execution all you need is to land one c.jab and then you got em in infinite.. actually his c.jab is really good even if you can do his inf since it has super fast recovery , so combined with dash and is very good even if you cant pull off his inf, just c.jab > dash repeat and if they keep blocking just wavedash throw em, trust me hes awesome :)
In fact Anji in Slash actually is... not rush down heavy, but close
I still cant beleive what they did to him in slash tho.
Yea, he's definitely more offense oriented now. Same goes for Baiken.
I personally think Baiken's changes turned her into a rather boring character in Slash... all business.
And why are there more Sol/Chipp nominations than Eddie or Dizzy? I mean yea Chipp is beast in Slash and Dizzy sucks now but I'm still not sure if I would call Chipp a rush-down character. And Sol never had that great of a rush down unless he has tension.
TrueSephiroth
02-24-2006, 12:24 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong...but wasn't XvsSF Ryu a good rushdown character? I mean...his infinities where ridiculous easy to pull off in there and they involved him having to rushdown, and they owned as well. Wolverine was a beast I have to admit though.
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