think jill still has it in her she was pretty solid

[KinanO]

how many people think jill is still solid as hell back then she was a top tier,anyone think jill still has it in her

[Remy Saotome]

See, the key there is was. That was back when nobody could do AHVBxN and trip->super was the dominant tactic. Jill ain't got shit now, just some really laggy space coverage that creates severe dependancy upon Sent or Doom, as well as ample AHVB/Tempest/Hailstorm/c.fp XX RP XX HSF time.

[Juggrknott]

^ well, yeah, everybody that isn't top 10 or so has a hard time against standard Big 4 fare, no news there.

She has a trick or two that can be exploited, and a master player can probably raise some eyebrows with her. Pretty much like anybody else that isn't held in high regard. All the characters have (semi-)strong points. I only play Hulk like that, so I can't tell you anything Jill-specific.

[Remy Saotome]

^ well, yeah, everybody that isn't top 10 or so has a hard time against standard Big 4 fare, no news there.

She has a trick or two that can be exploited, and a master player can probably raise some eyebrows with her. Pretty much like anybody else that isn't held in high regard. All the characters have (semi-)strong points. I only play Hulk like that, so I can't tell you anything Jill-specific.Everyone has a nice trick or two. It's why 2nd Tier is so huge. But he asked if she was still Top. That she ain't.

[Juggrknott]

No, she most definitely is not. No argument there.

[Nep2une]

I learned Bison the other day lol. I was screwing up cable's badly

But against Sent i had some major problems, Against Magneto if i was blocking well it was that simple Storm gave me problems too.

My team was Bison/Sent/Cyke

He has some flashy resets with drones. He can't lock down for nothing though......not even with doom those days are done :-(

[KinanO]

naw not trying to ask if she was top tier,just was saying she might have that hidden stuff to like you said raise some eye brows

[Remy Saotome]

Well, she does have a few neat features. In lower-tier play, she can cover the screen well. Her s.FP is really good. Her ground chain->air chain->Shoulder Tackle A->Shoulder Tackle A+ is pretty and does decent damage. Solid second tier character, but nothing more.

[Saotome Kaneda]

Glitch Juggs > 2nd tier


*awaits flames/actual knowledge*

[jibikao]

Is there a list of tier list?

I mean if people only use 15 characters during the match, why don't they have a match for 2nd tier characters?

Like is there anyone using Jin, Felicia, Bulleta, Rubby Heart??


That will be more fun isn't it? But then how would you judge who belongs to the 2nd tier or even 3rd tier? I guess maybe they can make a big Poll and try to figure out a rank for all characters and determine who doesn't belong to the Top tier. hehe.

[kesh!]

jills got it in her, just dont play anyone but the comp with her :p

[Ranma0005]

Jill has some neat tricks that she can use to her advantage, multi angle and speed projectiles, a grabbing projectile, a counter move, and even a chargable shoulder tackle. One of her main problems is the same as most of the non-top tier, range. As a pixie, she eats damage like hell, but she has to be close to be effective. Sometimes you can get away with trip XX combo, but that won't fly more than once in a tournament match. Its pretty much just rush down with a good assist, and possibly counter once in a while.

I use BB Hood and Felicia from time to time. BB Hood is a solid character in my opinion. Her multi projectiles are annoying for most of the top tier, and Cruel Hunting does really good damage. Felicia chains her normal just about everywhere on the screen. Her b+roundhouse has really good range, its multi hit, and chains into her litterbox super, or her roll super. Both of them have really good air throw prioriety.

Obviously the best assists for most non-top tier characters are the usual suspect, Doom, Commando, Tron. But all in all, theres always little tricks you can find, early jump attack overheads, mindgames with footsies, etc. As for 2nd tier, I play Megaman, and I think he's a solid 2nd tier character.

[KinanO]

yeap im kind of sure see has priority to hit magneto from tri jump or his rushdown hk.that hp of hers hurts

[Remy Saotome]

Like is there anyone using Jin, Felicia, Bulleta, Rubby Heart?? I have a pretty serious Felicia team, and a pretty good MegaMan team.

Felicia/Tron/Sent and MM/Sent/CapCom.

Felicia has godly ground chaining ability, Hyper Sand Splash is an assist killer, her ground punch throw is great for building meter, she in general builds meter fast, B+rk and Sand Splash are nigh unpunishable by most opponents including Big 4 (except Mags), her s.jab has deceptive range and priority, she can combo Please Help Me! off of Tron for big damage, and she has great airthrow priority. Felicia is also a very reliable StriDoom counter.

The MM team I listed is a hard MSP counter. Proper use of FP, Tornado Hold, and assists can shut MSP (and most rushing in general) down completely. MM can also hold his own against Cable and Sent with Rockball, but it is an uphill fight and very hard.

EDIT: Honestly, I'd argue for MM being low 1st Tier with Cyke and such. He's got one of the most reliable anti-rushdown gameplans available. I'm serious, he eats MSP for breakfast.

[white shadow]

Um The trip combo this is hella good because if they roll you can call a zombie who will grab them making it a forced reset.:badboy:

I used to love her for one main reason though...

YOU'RE FINISHED!!!:cool:

[Golba loves]

One dude at ctf used jill/juggs/capcom. He beat Sanford twice in a row. It was scary.

[Higher-Jin]

top tier tactics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otg games without a real high-low game

Decent tactics? I remember sweep xxxx flaming zombie when they roll, the zombie is unblockable. One of the zombies is unblockable and sets up a launcher off of it. The closer you are to full screen distance the faster you should recover when calling minions iirc.

Overall not that great but she has good high priority normals (launcher, jumping hp, slide) but no real high low game to land her shoulder super and such. I'm not a authority on jill though, isn't her shoulder super safe on block though?

[Ranma0005]

I have a pretty serious Felicia team, and a pretty good MegaMan team.

Felicia/Tron/Sent and MM/Sent/CapCom.

Felicia has godly ground chaining ability, Hyper Sand Splash is an assist killer, her ground punch throw is great for building meter, she in general builds meter fast, B+rk and Sand Splash are nigh unpunishable by most opponents including Big 4 (except Mags), her s.jab has deceptive range and priority, she can combo Please Help Me! off of Tron for big damage, and she has great airthrow priority. Felicia is also a very reliable StriDoom counter.

The MM team I listed is a hard MSP counter. Proper use of FP, Tornado Hold, and assists can shut MSP (and most rushing in general) down completely. MM can also hold his own against Cable and Sent with Rockball, but it is an uphill fight and very hard.

EDIT: Honestly, I'd argue for MM being low 1st Tier with Cyke and such. He's got one of the most reliable anti-rushdown gameplans available. I'm serious, he eats MSP for breakfast.

BBHood/Felicia/Morrigan and MM/Cable/Tron here.

Megaman is a solid mid-high 2nd tier. He doesn't hit top tier because of his limitations. For one, movement and air mobility. Plus he really does need assists to be able to fight. He can't really make a 1 on 3 comeback, nor is he really a come back character. His supers are craptastic compared to MvC1. I've been playing him since MvC1, he's good, but definitely not top tier.

[Blackestheart]

Jill is still a pretty good character if you have a good projectile and anti-air assist. She has a decent rush down, and she has one of the best sweeps in the game. My Jill team is Cable and Cyke. Her zombie super does decent damage, with the possibility to otg, or reset. A very fun character to play.

[ytwojay]

Like is there anyone using Jin, Felicia, Bulleta, Rubby Heart??
JustinK plays Gambit/Morrigan/SonSon. =]

[Asian Mike]

it depends if the player plays her in a top tier way,with good blocking,safe from try jumps,knows her resets and such,then yea shes top tier

jill is as solid as a rock,she will always fuck you up some way some how

[Master Chibi]

I play Felicia, Tron, B.B Hood.

:D

[DrumlinerJoe]

I like Jill/Cyke. If you pop them up with his assist it usually gives you enough time to follow up with an air combo into a super. Or if it pops them away throw the dog, a lot of people don't expect a projectile from her so it does a little bit of extra damage.

Why isn't all this stuff in the Jill strat section?

[scum gale 88]

its 26 to 22 kinano, think you got what it takes to keep up to the greatest thread in the galaxy!?

[Calcal]

Can felicia's please help me attack be combined with a regular trip? Its a pretty damaging attack i just dont know how to set it up properly. But i dont play MvC2 much.

[Remy Saotome]

Can felicia's please help me attack be combined with a regular trip? Its a pretty damaging attack i just dont know how to set it up properly. But i dont play MvC2 much.PHM! can connect off of her c.rk or a Rolling Buckler XX rk. But it's rollable. Better to use an assist like Tron, Sent, or Doom to set it up. Tron is especially good, for the huge amount of extra damage she adds.

[Higher-Jin]

here's something pretty neat:

sweep + tronne, cancel into lk zombie

If they roll they get hit by the zombie and it's a free combo, otherwise they get hit by tronne and you can even try to cancel the zombie call into hyper tackle after you see it hits.

Still hard to land since she can't really hit you high it's still something though. Maybe Jill B/Rogue V/Tronne V would make a good team?

[KinanO]

here's something pretty neat:

sweep + tronne, cancel into lk zombie

If they roll they get hit by the zombie and it's a free combo, otherwise they get hit by tronne and you can even try to cancel the zombie call into hyper tackle after you see it hits.

Still hard to land since she can't really hit you high it's still something though. Maybe Jill B/Rogue V/Tronne V would make a good team?

yeap that shit hurts :tup:

[white shadow]

here's something pretty neat:

sweep + tronne, cancel into lk zombie

If they roll they get hit by the zombie and it's a free combo, otherwise they get hit by tronne and you can even try to cancel the zombie call into hyper tackle after you see it hits.

Still hard to land since she can't really hit you high it's still something though. Maybe Jill B/Rogue V/Tronne V would make a good team?

I mentioned this earlier in this thread. My poor grammar must've confused those who were reading it.:sweat:

Today I saw something strange though, the computer was able to combo off a lp Tackle while facing away from the corner and have it hit me into the corner then did J.LP, J.RK? :wtf: It hit me when it was right about to end which might've played a factor.:bluu:

[greeneggs&ham]

shes up there with ironman and doom i can tell you that for aaaa fuckin fact :clap:

[Augmint]

shes up there with ironman and doom i can tell you that for aaaa fuckin fact :clap:

sure... :confused:

[jasegfstyle]

im very fucking sure also but then again

[EGO]

they should have but her and hayato in cvs2, now that would be cool! and strider hiryu

[Remy Saotome]

they should have but her and hayato in cvs2, now that would be cool! and strider hiryu:looney: CvS series is strictly fighter characters.

[Augmint]

im very fucking sure also but then again

Well lets see who does better
Doom or Jill vs BH
Doom or Jill vs spiral
Doom all the way

Jill vs cable - if cable has a good ground assist - eg drones, rocks or AAA - what is she gonna do? She has no airdash, or double jump, no fast dash or pokes (say like cammy). Has to land a hit before she can get zombies or anything into play.
Doom can airdash and work angles - not saying that Doom beats cable but jill (like half the cast) doesn't have the tools to pressure him.

Storm runaway - whats jill gonna do? Doom and Ironman can fight alot better in the air.

Doom is a better battery, better air super.
I'd place at good dozen people between Ironman, Doom and Jill.

If you think I'm wrong convince me otherwise

[Ranma0005]

If you're going to play theory fighter, you should at least level the playing field. Assists shouldn't even be counted in this. Cable with good assists can beat other top tier by themselves, so obviously lower tier characters have a harder fight. Now if Jill had Doom, Sent, Tron, AAA backing her up, then the situation changes.

Much like Guile, Jill's only "dash" in the air is her QCF + P, aka Shoulder charge(dunno the actual name of it). Her projectiles are not meant to be thrown out randomly since they aren't exactly safe, especially against Cable. However, they can be thrown out there strategically for pressure. Damage wise, she deals about as much if not more than IM and Doom. She has some OTG tricks. But her movement and range do suck. Also, Doom has been known to be a counter character to Spiral in the past, so that analogy is very biased. Ironman and Doom are better characters than Jill, but if you're going to compare them, at least do so in a reasonable light.

Its like saying Tim Duncan and the Spurs would beat Chauncey Billups alone. Of course they are, in order to make it a reasonable argument, you gotta give Billups the Pistons with him.

[Augmint]

If you're going to play theory fighter, you should at least level the playing field. Assists shouldn't even be counted in this. Cable with good assists can beat other top tier by themselves, so obviously lower tier characters have a harder fight. Now if Jill had Doom, Sent, Tron, AAA backing her up, then the situation changes.

Much like Guile, Jill's only "dash" in the air is her QCF + P, aka Shoulder charge(dunno the actual name of it). Her projectiles are not meant to be thrown out randomly since they aren't exactly safe, especially against Cable. However, they can be thrown out there strategically for pressure. Damage wise, she deals about as much if not more than IM and Doom. She has some OTG tricks. But her movement and range do suck. Also, Doom has been known to be a counter character to Spiral in the past, so that analogy is very biased. Ironman and Doom are better characters than Jill, but if you're going to compare them, at least do so in a reasonable light.


OK - I won't get into a long discussion about tiers/duos - I've always considered how well a character combines with assists as part of why certain characters are top tier- but I'll use your words. Her movement and Range do suck - totally agree.
I don't think her projectiles can pressure enough top tier characters (and not just cable)either. Thats why you can't reasonably consider her close to IM or Doom.

As for her dealing as much *if not more* than IM and Doom?
OK Dooms damage output ain't huge compared to others, but even if an Ironman player who can't launch into Infinite he can still do launch, sj Lk, u+Hp,u+Hk, airdash up Hp, U+Hk, fly u+ Hp, unibeam for half bar.

[sainthuey]

One dude at ctf used jill/juggs/capcom. He beat Sanford twice in a row. It was scary.


vid please

[monbaby]

Why isn't there more talk about rouge...

That guy Vegita-X kinda gave Ghengis a run for his money with Rouge/T Bonne/Storm...

Rouge owns...

Anyway my team is Guile Tron Bonne Ironman/Commando

[KinanO]

Why isn't there more talk about rouge...

That guy Vegita-X kinda gave Ghengis a run for his money with Rouge/T Bonne/Storm...

Rouge owns...

Anyway my team is Guile Tron Bonne Ironman/Commando

jill would kill rogue sorry she just would

[Adam Warlock]

jill would kill rogue sorry she just would
Are you trolling on purpose or can you back this up?

[Remy Saotome]

Yeah, I bet you never played a good Rogue. Many of the top Rogue players can go about 50/50 with the top Mags players.