MvsC2:Underrated and overrated characters.

[ImasterChun_Li]

Just post which characters you think are underrated and which ones are overrated and why.:cool: :eek:

[HuStLeMaN17]

Underated: Spiderman he is very mobile has some great tricks, cable has a very hard time against him.

Overrated: Magnus, simply because he has a very hard time against Cable/Doom.

I like this thread!!!

[Th3 0N3]

Underrated: Magnus! i mean come on.. this guys owns! :evil:

Overrated: Servbot give meeh break! servebot is like on every team now and he is to fucking cheap! :lol:

[Big Rex?]

Originally posted by HuStLeMaN17

Overrated: Magnus, simply because he has a very hard time against Cable/Doom.

I like this thread!!!


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[kingjada]

i think cyclops is overated.I think he sucks shit.

and i think blackheat is underrated.he's raw as hell

[rice picker]

megaman is underrated.he owns magnus for free.i dont think anyone is overrated.people think theyre good for a reason

[Blind-Side]

under=any team that can trap is under rated. caz pep say o ya u do this to get out of it... BS .....

over=no 1 can b over rated!!!(imo) just some char r good agenest alot of other char.(mags storm sent) and other char arnt good agenst that many

[rice picker]

Originally posted by Blind-Side
under=any team that can trap is under rated. caz pep say o ya u do this to get out of it... BS .....

over=no 1 can b over rated!!!(imo) just some char r good agenest alot of other char.(mags storm sent) and other char arnt good agenst that many
heh traps are underrated everywhere except here cause they can get out of them.there for they are under rated for good reason

[Blind-Side]

Originally posted by rice picker

heh traps are underrated everywhere except here cause they can get out of them.there for they are under rated for good reason


thats y u gota change it up like cable/doom theres like 5 dif. traps
with dif time'n

[rice picker]

Originally posted by Blind-Side



thats y u gota change it up like cable/doom theres like 5 dif. traps
with dif time'n
eh i guess that might work but im sure people else where have seen ways to get out of them all.

[Blind-Side]

well ya i guess they can egt out of em all but it takes em a while to c which 1 there n

[rice picker]

Originally posted by Blind-Side
well ya i guess they can egt out of em all but it takes em a while to c which 1 there n
yup.u need like 4 more posts

[Murakumo]

Umm, I say MvC2 Dhalsim is underrated. ^__^

~Murakumo

[Tanion]

Underated:

Rogue

She is a ghetto version of Magneto! Plus she is fine >_< she can Power drain me any day!
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Hayato

Ghetto version of Strider... a connected Plasma Storm is insane. You can go level 3 happy! :eek:
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Omega Red

I didn't know you can combo into his coils in a aerial rave... sweet'ness.
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Overated:

Dhalism

What the HELL? This guy takes horrible damage and dishes out horrible damage. Well maybe except for a mashed Yoga Smash XX Yoga Flame XX Yoga Inferno... but that's it! Oh and his poking game... woot. If you want poking go with Omega Red. He can drain life and meter AND throw the bums away.

[xBlackheartx]

i think tron. is overrated......(she just an assit IMO)


the under-rated charcter would have to be B.B.HOod now she can deal some serius damage (Block-chip or real) with her qcf PP
(And i think it can counter things like a HVB on the ground)

Cyclops isn't over rated. That dude is one annoying mofo.

[rice picker]

Originally posted by mixup
Cyclops isn't over rated. That dude is one annoying mofo.
yes he is.stupid priority:bluu:

[Blind-Side]

cyclops is anoying.

sj. hk,hk,hk dj, hk,hk,hk,

land qcf-pp/tiger knee -kk

then all over agian.

god!!!!!! but his asist is preaty good.

i think hes not over or under rated.

[rice picker]

well mixup supposdly has a great cyc but i dont know cause he raped me with his first character and never got to see it:(

[Blind-Side]

Originally posted by rice picker
well mixup supposdly has a great cyc but i dont know cause he raped me with his first character and never got to see it:(

huh???? how u play him??? u go wit steve to tampa???????

[rice picker]

naw mixup lived in pcola then moved cause hes mean.the day of steves graduation i played him it was his last day before he moved i think.u woulda pissed ur pants if u had saw it

[Blind-Side]

lol

DAMN i neva got to go to p-cola!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shit i want'd to go to!!!!!!!!!!!

[rice picker]

Originally posted by Blind-Side
lol

DAMN i neva got to go to p-cola!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shit i want'd to go to!!!!!!!!!!!
naw like once a month or so he went down here an showd us up.

[Blind-Side]

shit if i went i would of got fight or somthin. lol talk shit to the worng person and then bam elbo n da eye.

and finaly triple digets

[rice picker]

k now go get an av from bv5 tell em i sent ya:p

[jae hoon]

underrated
guile
jill
sakura

overrated
tron
dhalsim

[da_dragon]

Originally posted by mixup
Cyclops isn't over rated. That dude is one annoying mofo.

My friends cyc beat tha shit outta my mag...i suck:(

[[--yeah--]]

under-

sonson
sakura/psylocke

over-
eh...dont have any over rated characters...

[Ouroborus]

Overrated: Doom

Underrated: BH

Doom has the same weakness as BH yet hes still considered top tier despite the fact he dies to rushdown 50x worse than BH.

Everytime BH gets mentioned, people say he sucks which 90% of those people dont know what the fuck they are talkin about.

[Dark Strider]

Omega Red:D

[voodazz]

Underrated: Collossus. This 3 frame animated wonder can be quite devasting in the right hands!:evil:

Overrated: Cable without AAA. Once you get past his now limited keep away game, he's screwed!

[Blind-Side]

i remember when every 1 use to use silver sam-r-i

his light'n attack thing wAs preaty good.

i think hes under rate'd.

tahts super does alot of dammage

[TS]

Megaman is underrated.

BH is underrated, as far as public opinion of him. I love the fact that a character who beats 80% of the cast for free, has what's easily one of the best assists in the game, and is a great character all around, is now "garbage" because he doesn't win 8-2 vs Magneto anymore.

War Machine is underrated.

[Jinsogood]

Underrated.
Omega Red
Black Heart
Charlie
Cyclops (He is better then just his assist, Japan Cyc infinite is ownage I still cant believe I dont see it more then IM)
Dhalsim
Ruby Heart

Overrated
Anything in the Guile Jill category.
That shit cant hang with anything but similar garbage.

[Dasrik]

Overrated: MvC2 Cammy is high on the list of the most overrated character in the history of fighting games. When Justin Wong won tournaments with Storm/Sentinel/Cammy, just about everyone hopped on the bandwagon without thinking why. I'm not saying Cammy is a bad character, but come on - she is very limited. She doesn't have any good mixups. Holding down-back works on just about everything. All her best setups revolve around her throws which are difficult to get, to say the least. Her assist is not as great as anyone says. She doesn't really stop a flying Sentinel, if Sentinel thinks to either fly back or fly forward and drop an assist to get in her way. Again, I'm not saying she's bad, just that there are about fifteen characters better than her.

I'd also say Iron Man is pretty overrated, but since the hype of "killer Jpn IM" is dying down after Evo, I'll just not go into it.

Underrated: Everyone still tends to underrate the Wolverines even though no character controls the ground better than them and Bonerine has a very killer assist.

About Blackheart...

Originally posted by Ouroburos
Doom has the same weakness as BH yet hes still considered top tier despite the fact he dies to rushdown 50x worse than BH.

Everytime BH gets mentioned, people say he sucks which 90% of those people dont know what the fuck they are talkin about.Bullshit. Doom's weaknesses are that he's big, slow, and doesn't have good attack flow. Blackheart's weaknesses are that all his good moves leave him hideously vulnerable somewhere, he needs an assist to do any damage at all, NOT TO MENTION he's big, slow, and doesn't have good attack flow. Doom has a trump card, his c.fierce which leads to damage, as well as having a very good assist (as good as BH's assist is, Doom's is bar none better than it). BH doesn't have any air-to-ground defense and has to resort to assists to leave himself safe. Trust me, as a longtime Blackheart player, I KNOW what the fuck I'm talking about when I say Blackheart SUCKS.

Originally posted by TS
BH is underrated, as far as public opinion of him. I love the fact that a character who beats 80% of the cast for free, has what's easily one of the best assists in the game, and is a great character all around, is now "garbage" because he doesn't win 8-2 vs Magneto anymore.How exactly does Blackheart beat 80% of the cast for free? The MOST dominating tactic BH has is jumpback fierce, and if he keeps that up for long, any character with a moderately fast dash can get under the demons and hit Blackheart with something. And don't get me started on how ineffective superjumping demons are.

The reason BH is bad is nothing more complex than the fact that you have to be ON all the time to play him well. You have to be sure that you have all your angles covered, and if you want to do damage, you have to take serious risks. That's all well and good if you're already winning, but if BH is losing a battle, he doesn't have a good way to force any patient player's hand. It's like playing Strider/Doom except you don't have the plus of constant safe chip damage.

Oh, one more thing.

Originally by rice picker
megaman is underrated.he owns magnus for free.i dont think anyone is overrated.people think theyre good for a reasonHahaha, that's pretty funny. You WERE joking, right?

[rice picker]

dasrik: eh i was just sayin his rock ball trap works really good against magnus.i know that in places like cali seattle ny that it aint gona work but in my little hick town if i can get it started their magnus is gonna die.but if he starts going into seizure crackhead mode im oretty much fucked.i assume thats what u were talkin about.

[Pryde]

Everyone has their weaknesses.

I mean look at BH, if you notice that Top players now say that he sucks, but he still can hold his own against moderate to Avg. players now a days, since they don't know how to fight him. He;s not to be underestimated, since he has one of the highest priority attacks. I'm not saying he's good, but he's not bad either, he just can't compete in tournies.

Ouroboros: Doom is still a formidable character to fight against, and he still can rush down, he still has unblockable, easy one button over head, he can still trap half of the characters on with one button wonder for free 1 on 1. What can I say more, he's so much more better than BH.

under rated characters would be Dhalsim and Marrow these 2 can punish assist, especially Marrow. Sim doesn't need supers, he has long limbs and he a great one frame DHC that is useful to get out.

over rated characters would be Tron, cause she can barely hold her own unless she has levels or an assist. I once thought she was good, but she's not as good as I thought. Her assist is ok, since most people are expecting it and Sentinel-A counters her for free (with damage).

[Ouroborus]

So Dasrik, who would you use vs mags or storm?

BH or Doom?

Doom doesnt have much air to air defense. j. hp works only at far away and its slower than BH's demons, j. hk means death after you missed it and his jumping lights and shorts doesnt even have much priority as BHs.

I dont know about you but I'll take BH over Doom against Magneto or Storm.

But I believe you know what you are talkin about. After all, it is a wonder how people can still win with bh/doom/capcom:p

EDIT: So who are those 15 characters better than Cammy?

I really don't think ironman is over-rated, by the japanese maybe..

The more and more i play as ironman, the more weaknesses AND strengths i find and i think he's more like a thinking character than anything, he takes more patience when you rushdown, takes more patience when you try to zone, if you attempt to lock somone down with him, they escape but that can generally turn into a set-up for the ironman player.

I think he's maybe just maybe top 10, but he's nowhere NEAR the top 5, and this is coming from a player who uses him everyday i play...

just mo

-Michael

[master ken]

Underated character :
- BH, there are not to many great BH players, that's why people think he sucks, and I'm not talking about players that just do his basic moves, I'm talking about great BH players.
- IM, he's always a threat, if he hits you once, it's pretty much game over. If Combo fiend didn't mess up his guard break and infinite many times, I'm sure he would have placed top2 easily if not win evol, but you know that everything can happen in an mvc2 match.

Overated character :
Cammy without a doubt including her AAA.

[Devil X]

i cant believe one person hasnt said strider is overrated yet :cool:

[Devil X]

cable without AA is underrated.


grenades are a killer. he only needs aa vs storm and strider. he can handle mags and sent aa -less

[rice picker]

Originally posted by Devil X
i cant believe one person hasnt said strider is overrated yet :cool:
k striders overrated.but i cant play him so what do i know:p

[Eschaton]

I don't think Cammy is under rated, she's mainly used as an assist anyways, she's decent on point too, while she has no mixups, or not much of, anyways, she can still rush down decently, hey, it's not that much better with commando now, come on?

I seriously don't think Strider is over rated, I think he's just dead on what he is said to be

And I still think Megaman is also another under rated character, he does work well against Magneto, while he might not own Mag for free, he is a better match than most characters are

and I agree with the vast majority who say people trash BH, he's not bad when he has the proper AAA with him

[Blue Beefman]

I say Strider/Doom is underrated Now i Cant play it that well BUT If one daoes master Strider/Doom he will own all. Especially Cable. Cable dies to Strider/Doom ah ah ah ahahhhhhhhh

Spiral is overrated she sucks...

[FOBio]

Strider is soooooooo not over rated.


I still think Cammy's good. By herself, she may not be able to beat people like Mag or Storm, but she does hold her own very well.

[Ouroborus]

Originally posted by Blue Beefman
I say Strider/Doom is underrated Now i Cant play it that well BUT If one daoes master Strider/Doom he will own all. Especially Cable. Cable dies to Strider/Doom ah ah ah ahahhhhhhhh

Spiral is overrated she sucks...

lol, funny avatar.

I dont think Strider is overrated or underrated. True he can kill everyone when he has Doom with him but when he or Doom dies, you pretty much lost the match. Strider doesnt help the team much as he cant battery, his assists are below average and he needs Doom.

I think Doom is overrated tho like I said in my first post. He dies to rushdown and doesnt beat any of the top tiers besides Blackheart, but who considers BH top tier these days?:lol: He also dies to runaway. Sure he can rushdown, but there are many more characters than can rush better than him as he cant just dash in and hope for a c. lk to connect.

[Clockw0rk]

Originally posted by Ouroborus


lol, funny avatar.

I dont think Strider is overrated or underrated. True he can kill everyone when he has Doom with him but when he or Doom dies, you pretty much lost the match. Strider doesnt help the team much as he cant battery, his assists are below average and he needs Doom.

I think Doom is overrated tho like I said in my first post. He dies to rushdown and doesnt beat any of the top tiers besides Blackheart, but who considers BH top tier these days?:lol: He also dies to runaway. Sure he can rushdown, but there are many more characters than can rush better than him as he cant just dash in and hope for a c. lk to connect.

IMO it's Doom who is underrated. People say he gets rushed down... how exactly? Why does he get rushed down worse than other characters (or in this case, Blackheart)? I'd much rather be stuck with a lone Doom v Mag or Storm rather than a lone Blackheart. Blackheart can only stalemate at best. Without an assist, how is he gonna do any damage? He can't land any supers, he can't launch. What does he have left to do any real damage? It'll take alot of "RUSHDOWN STOPPING JUMP JABS/FIERCE DEMONS" to kill someone. Whereas with Doom, he can still win with just 2 meters (launch into air combo xx photons into tricky followup into more photons DEAD). Doom can still do damage cause he can still land his launchers or supers and he has an easier time keeping up pace wise with Magneto or Storm.

The only reason Mag does so well on Doom is because he has a full screen ground dash, taking away his finger laser and air photons- NOT because he triangle jumps super fast or whatever because no character can block that shit (cept Sentinel). Doom doesn't die to resets and crossups any worse than other characters. If anything, Doom can get out of resets easier than most characters by divekicking out. Obviously this match is still heavily in Magneto's favor, but Doom can definitely hang with Magneto at least until he gets enough meter to DHC out. It's just a matter of keeping up with him, knowing what you can and can't do, and keeping the photons and finger lasers to a minimum (preferably one at a time).

Doom can definintely hang with Storm. The match is still in her favor, but not as much as it is v Magneto or Sentinel. Finger laser can possibly knock Storm out of hail, and Doom is safe from getting launched going for finger laser since she can't dash full screen. He also has better tools than most characters to catch her running away since he doesn't actually have to chase her down and smack her (which results in most characters eating a fierce or short forward xx lightning attack xx super). Instead, he can ground photon or superjump fierce xx fly fierce which works ok. If you do that after she's run out of her lightning attack, it works pretty good cause then you can force her to block some air photons, giving you the momentum needed to rush HER down.

Against Sentinel is definitely not easy for Doom, but it really depends on the situation of the match. Something like Doom v Sentinel as the first characters to fight isn't as bad cause then Doom has photon xx hail anytime he wants, and he could have Cyclops AA or something which really helps v Sentinel. But of course, most people don't have Doom 1st or 2nd and Sentinel teams often times have Sentinel 2nd or 3rd. =\ You just gotta keep Sentinel on his toes... ground photons will stop attempts at flying. Once you remind him that you have the ability to photon on the ground, you can go back to superjump laser xx photons. And if he keeps dodging your shit, you can mix it up by finger lasering while flying- does good damage since all the hits will get in. Also, if anytime you SJ laser and get a fly screen or do a photon array combo without DHCing out, you can do manual rocks (yeah you can actually do this move on point in case you guys forgot) + drones on wakeup and it's relatively safe v Sentinel, especially since it's unexpected.

IMO Doom v Cable is 50/50 only because of the potential damage Cable can do. Doom has way more options than Cable does, and can run away from him pretty good using sj yellow beam as long as you're in the lead. The match up bends alot towards Cable if he has Cyclops though since Cyke AA is on and off the screen really fast, readily callable (?) whenever Doom tries anything.

And all this is assuming you're not using Commando with Doom. If you are, you can add unblockable sweep + Commando AA into launch into your game which is prolly more than half life w/o DHC. And it's unFUCKINGblockable!!! =O

Doom is underrated because alot of Doom players don't adjust their game to whoever they're playing against. Stuff like incorporating divekicking/jump short dash short/c fierce xx fly v Magneto, ground photons/flying fierce/manual rocks v Sentinel, or kick throw/triangle jumps/c fierce xx fly/yellow beam v Cable into your regular finger laser/air photon patterns will make these matches much more difficult for whoever you're playing against. If you already have that mindset that "Doom gets rushed down cause hes too slow and fat and I can't do anything about it", that's what will prolly happen. I mean, if your Doom or Commando is getting killed on point, if they're getting rushed down that badly, why not figure out WHY it's happening and do something about it? If you're gonna use a character on your team, might as well make the best of their abilities. Using their assist alone isn't worth just sticking them on your team... in that case, all your opponent has to do is beat 2/3 of your team.

Err... in regards to underrated characters, #1 spot goes to Omega Red hands down. =]

Clockw0rk

[Ouroborus]

Originally posted by Clockw0rk




Doom is underrated because alot of Doom players don't adjust their game to whoever they're playing against. Stuff like incorporating divekicking/jump short dash short/c fierce xx fly v Magneto, ground photons/flying fierce/manual rocks (yep that's a REAL move you can do during a match kids) v Sentinel, or kick throw/triangle jumps/c fierce xx fly/yellow beam v Cable into your regular finger laser/air photon patterns will make these matches much more difficult for whoever you're playing against. If you already have that mindset that "Doom gets rushed down cause hes too slow and fat and I can't do anything about it", that's what will prolly happen. I mean, if your Doom or Commando is getting killed on point, if they're getting rushed down that badly, why not figure out WHY it's happening and do something about it? If you're gonna use a character on your team, might as well make the best of their abilities. Using their assist alone isn't worth just sticking them on your team... in that case, all your opponent has to do is beat 2/3 of your team.

Err... in regards to underrated characters, #1 spot goes to Omega Red hands down. =]

Clockw0rk

Interesting. I never thought that manual rocks nor his flight had any significant uses. c.hp xx fly sounds pretty good. I use his ground photons (mainly agaisnt Sentinel) but I never thought it has any uses against runaway Storm. I guess I'll use Doom more nowadays on point then.

[Clockw0rk]

Originally posted by Ouroborus


Interesting. I never thought that manual rocks nor his flight had any significant uses. c.hp xx fly sounds pretty good. I use his ground photons (mainly agaisnt Sentinel) but I never thought it has any uses against runaway Storm. I guess I'll use Doom more nowadays on point then.
Canceling Doom's c fierce into fly makes that move relatively safer if blocked. If Magneto can dash in short short Psylocke or Cable AHVB to a blocked c fierce on reaction, you should be able to cancel into flight on reaction as well.

Doing stuff like flying and divekicking can really throw off some people's game. Mixing that up with cross up photon super using either a straight airdash or divekick is good because it has to be anticipated to be blocked since photon super is instant.

One more thing.... if late in the match you got 2 beat up characters and a full Doom making it unwise to DHC off photon super, there are alot of good followups to air photon super since it's unrollable. After air combo xx photons, you can

- whiff a falling jab, low short

- whiff a falling jab, fake into rh throw into throw followups

- whiff a falling jab, fake into rh throw into assist (rh throw into Strider teleport kick connects, and then dash in Doom st short is unrollable [like Magneto's low short])

- whiff a falling jab, land and immediately triangle jump (to either side)

- fall... then right when you get on top of their head, airdash forward xx photons (you have to save your airdash so dont airdash xx photons during the initial combo)

- fall... land, unblockable sweep + Commando OR unblockable sweep xx rocks xx ground photon super (not sure if the latter does good damage or not)

- fall with a short xx photons in the face (lotsa guard damage, best if you have something to DHC to unless they get hit with the short)

- fall with a short (they block it), triangle jump

ETC ETC ETC... of course there's other stuff you can do since resets and follow ups in marvel are for the most part open ended.

Edit: left some stuff out... photon super follow ups work ok when all the photons hit and there is no late laser otg, work BEST when a late laser hits (they'll be grounded longer), and don't work AT ALL when there is a late laser otg (and they bounce away). Doom players should know what I'm talking about.

Also, with those whiff jab set ups, it's possible to cross them up by landing on the other side depending on your position after the air combo and how much pressure you apply to the stick obviously. Kinda like Spiderman crossups I guess heh. A whiff jab crossup land low short is pretty tricky!!!

Clockw0rk

[ShadyK]

In other words, Doom sucks. But Blackheart sucks more.

[rice picker]

Originally posted by ShadyK
In other words, Doom sucks. But Blackheart sucks more.
eloquently put

[Clockw0rk]

hey shut up

[Clockw0rk]

Originally posted by rice picker

eliquintly put
Eloquently spelled ;)

[rice picker]

Originally posted by Clockw0rk

Eloquently spelled ;)
i knew there was something wrong with it.thats what i get for using big words

[REALPLAYER]

Originally posted by Clockw0rk

If you already have that mindset that "Doom gets rushed down cause hes too slow and fat and I can't do anything about it", that's what will prolly happen.
Clockw0rk

Doom gets rushed down cause he's too slow and fat and people can't do anything about it.

[F£É§h~Ñ~BoÑè]

:lol: :lol:

[Clockw0rk]

Originally posted by REALPLAYER


Doom gets rushed down cause he's too slow and fat and people can't do anything about it.
Well at least your reasoning is valid. The countless points and arguments you've presented clearly back your case!

Clockw0rk

[Pryde]

I guess most of you guys don't know what you're talking about, except for clocky. Even if Magneto tries to Dash in with his Launcher, Doom can always cancel into Photons.

Plus he's right, I'd rather be stuck with Doom instead of BH against anyone. Doom can at least hold his own against 75% of the characters in the game. He gives Spiral trouble, he can easily get out of Sentinel stompamtic (rising flame). He's still a formidable force to be reckoned with with his cross up launchers.

Well, believe what you wanna believe, but you guys probably haven't played a good Doom yet.

[rice picker]

Originally posted by Pryde
I guess most of you guys don't know what you're talking about, except for clocky. Even if Magneto tries to Dash in with his Launcher, Doom can always cancel into Photons.

Plus he's right, I'd rather be stuck with Doom instead of BH against anyone. Doom can at least hold his own against 75% of the characters in the game. He gives Spiral trouble, he can easily get out of Sentinel stompamtic (rising flame). He's still a formidable force to be reckoned with with his cross up launchers.

Well, believe what you wanna believe, but you guys probably haven't played a good Doom yet.
who is that chik in ur av?

[rice picker]

Originally posted by Clockw0rk

Well at least your reasoning is valid. The countless points and arguments you've presented clearly back your case!

Clockw0rk
why does it seem like the good players all are on invisible mode?just curious

[Blue Beefman]

But a whore doom is good you cant really be a whore with BH. With BH all you need to know is sj.hk dash hk over and over then get them in his hk infinite ahhhhhhh But Doom is MUCH MORE Versatile

[REALPLAYER]

Originally posted by Clockw0rk

Well at least your reasoning is valid. The countless points and arguments you've presented clearly back your case!

Clockw0rk

:p

Originally posted by Pryde
Well, believe what you wanna believe, but you guys probably haven't played a good Doom yet

:confused:

[TS]

Originally posted by Dasrik
How exactly does Blackheart beat 80% of the cast for free?


Yeah, that was hella wrong. What I should have said is that he's better, for some reason or another, than the ~40 characters which are generally ranked below him. And yet you have everyone claiming he's unplayable now, basically because his match vs Magneto is worse...are any of his other fights really any worse than before? Because I don't see it.

[Ouroborus]

Hey Clockw0rk, thanks for the strats with Doom.:cool:

The needle kick crossup is tight same is the APA followups.

[Dasrik]

Clockwork is too good. But he will learn to fear the power of Jin... GET NAKID!

Originally posted by Blue Beefman
But a whore doom is good you cant really be a whore with BH. With BH all you need to know is sj.hk dash hk over and over then get them in his hk infinite ahhhhhhh But Doom is MUCH MORE Versatile ..... Funny avatar but... damn... you don't know how to use Blackheart.

More later...

[Dasrik]

Clockw0rk is exactly right about Doom having to adjust his game. The reason a lot of people say Doom sucks is because while they work to improve their Mags, Storms and Sents, their Doom is still playing like it's B4.

Doom is not helpless vs. Magneto. He has good moves. Divekick is actually very good on Mags as I am slowly starting to learn. S.Fierce is a good move too (yep Clocky, it is) since if you sense Magneto ever approaching from the ground, just hit S.Fierce. And while it's usually not worth it to try to crossup C.Fierce Mags, a nazikick launch often works fine on triangle jumps. However, it's not reliable to just do photon super if Mags comes in to launch you off a fingerlaser. That can be baited which leaves you with the option to either DHC out or to die.

Doom vs. Storm is probably his best match out of the top tier. I don't think he can fingerlaser too much. If he gets lazy, he might get LA xx LSed (although you CAN be sneaky and bait it into photon super - LA can't be cancelled with anything that will save Storm). Clocky already mentioned stuff that he can do on runaway Storm.

[rice picker]

thank i hvs someone else finnaly posted in mm vs magnus

[voodazz]

*shudder* Mega Man!
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DEAR GOD!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!!!:eek:





Doom Rulez, btw!:D

[Blind-Side]

is cyke worth try'n to master???? or should i just try to master the team i have now. cable(aaa),IM(aaa)/sent(proj/ground),doom(aaa)/cammy(aaa) mainly cable,doom,IM. i know cyke is really good and he looks fun to use but i dont wana wast my time learn'n some 1 i'll neva use

[Bojack]

Ummm, underated?

Hayato

Overrated,
Iron Man and Spiral and maybe Strider.


---B.j.

[AHVB]

Over Rated:
Sentinel
Spiral, (She Sucks One on One)
Megaman(Tripping, By The Time He Starts The Trip Mag Would Be Behind HIm Comboing His Ass, Byt The Way With Doom HE Can Take OUt MAg, 1 on 1, HELL NO_

Under Rated
Cable
Magneto
Psylocke(Murders Iron Man)
Dhalsim
Cammy(Shes NOt Just An Assist)
Tron(Shes Also Not Just An Assist, She Has SO Much Shit To Be uSed)

[Dasrik]

Originally posted by AHVB
Over Rated:
SentinelYep, a character almost universally agreed to be in the Big Three is overrated. Yeah, uh-huh.

Spiral, (She Sucks One on One)So does Cable, what's your point?

Megaman(Tripping, By The Time He Starts The Trip Mag Would Be Behind HIm Comboing His Ass, Byt The Way With Doom HE Can Take OUt MAg, 1 on 1, HELL NO_Who mentioned the trip?

Under Rated
CableOh yeah, CABLE of all people is underrated. :lol:

Magneto:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Psylocke(Murders Iron Man)How?

Cammy(Shes NOt Just An Assist)Cammy is overrated. You need to know how to throw to be any good with her, so she's not anywhere near dominating.

Tron(Shes Also Not Just An Assist, She Has SO Much Shit To Be uSed) Tron sucks. What exactly is this "SO Much Shit" she has? Repeated airdashes? Bonne Strike repeatedly? Crossup fierce? Incredibly linear character with almost no chance of coming back by herself against a team.

[MrSimpson]

Originally posted by AHVB
Over Rated:
Sentinel
Spiral, (She Sucks One on One)
Megaman(Tripping, By The Time He Starts The Trip Mag Would Be Behind HIm Comboing His Ass, Byt The Way With Doom HE Can Take OUt MAg, 1 on 1, HELL NO_

Under Rated
Cable
Magneto
Psylocke(Murders Iron Man)
Dhalsim
Cammy(Shes NOt Just An Assist)
Tron(Shes Also Not Just An Assist, She Has SO Much Shit To Be uSed)


lmao

[I Am Lothar]

Originally posted by AHVB
Ove

that was the exact point when I realized you had now idea what you were talking about congrats

[rice picker]

Originally posted by AHVB
Over Rated:
Sentinel
Spiral, (She Sucks One on One)
Megaman(Tripping, By The Time He Starts The Trip Mag Would Be Behind HIm Comboing His Ass, Byt The Way With Doom HE Can Take OUt MAg, 1 on 1, HELL NO_

Under Rated
Cable
Magneto
Psylocke(Murders Iron Man)
Dhalsim
Cammy(Shes NOt Just An Assist)
Tron(Shes Also Not Just An Assist, She Has SO Much Shit To Be uSed)
:lol:

[FluffyXXL]

Overrated:
Cable: I don't think he can hang with the top three anymore. They keep getting better and better and he stays about the same. His gameplan isn't very diverse, and his arsenal is rather limited. Don't get me wrong, he's still #4 in the game, but the gap is widening.
-Tron: People, you need to get off of tron's nutsack. I've never seen a top player walk away from a machine with a loss and say, "damn that tron assist, it beat me again." It's only good if you do stupid things like leave you assist hanging out there, or stand still. The best tron stuff all involves Mags and Storm, but that's all meaningless because they both still do over 50% solo and tron won't give them 100% combos. In reality, it still takes two landed hits to kill a character, even with tron assist. I'd rather have Cammy...
-Cammy: I like what Dasrik said earlier. Cammy is only good if you can air throw well. And who actually air throws good with Cammy besides Justin? Pretty much no one i've seen (Ricky Ortiz does, but that's it). However, I can't deny that I play Cammy, but people seem to think she's so much better than she is because Justin plays her, and yet they don't understand why she's good.
-Blackheart: Again, people need to get off of the nutsack. There has been so much about him that I don't feel the need to repeat.
-Iron Man: Even I think he's overrated now, but I've also heard he can beat Sentinel with unfly infinites. If he could beat Sentinel cleanly, he wouldn't be overrated. He looses to Mags, but he can at least fight that one out cuz of S.Roundhouse launcher, and I think he goes even with Storm. Iron Man's all about landing one hit and then going into training mode. He's a lot like Mags, except he has to be reactive instead of proactive. Being reactive in a game where characters literally move faster than your eye can see is bad.


Underrated
-Megaman: Yes, he's underrated. He kills MSP. But, he looses pretty hard to Sentinel. He also doesn't fair well against Cable. I don't think loosing to Cable is as bad as it was before, mostly because I don't see Cable much in tournaments anymore. I see Sentinel in his place. And that means it's bad to loose to Sentinel.
-Dhalsim: Once again, good against Mags and Storm, looses to Sentinel. Supposedly, he can RTSD on Cable, but I've still yet to see it.
-Doom: I think people are starting to play Doom again. Storm/Doom has always had "abuse me" written all over it. It seems to me that Doom requires you to know how to fight each character individually; you can't always use the same tricks on different characters of you loose. He scores his air photan array, DHCs out, scores massive chip damage and then comes back in to clean up the AAA at the end of the match. He has to work overtime, but it's worth it. Plus, there are a lot of lesser characters that make a really good use of Doom.
-Iceman: He would be better if people played him. He can win matches, but no one knows which ones because no one plays him. It's a vicious cycle...

[mofokar]

underrated :
jin
iceman
megaman
omega red
dan
tron bon

over rated:
storm
cap com

[ShadyK]

Originally posted by FluffyXXL
Gas to get to LA: $45
Total spent on UCLA Parking: $21
Tournament entry fee + T-shirt: $65
Knowing Darksyde will never post or chat again: Priceless


:lol:

Silent Bob is bomb! :D

[rice picker]

Originally posted by ShadyK


:lol:

Silent Bob is bomb! :D
nice av:)

[voodazz]

Originally posted by ShadyK


:lol:

Silent Bob is bomb! :D
Av needs some work. At least you made your own.

[Jinsogood]

Seriously Cable isnt overrated.
Cable is ranked #4 in the top 4.
That is THE perfect position for his ass.

Is Cable better then Storm Sent Magz? No.
Is Cable better then everyone else? Well.... Yes.

The power of AHVB just cant be denied. It makes Cable stand a chance vs the big 3, and a pretty good one too.

Cable with AAA is still one of the hardest things to overcome in this game.

Strider, he isnt overrated or underrated.
He is an anomoly in MVC2. He is potentially the best character in the game.
But due to the limitations of mechanical and human error he isnt.

Under the Big Four should immediately follow Strider/Spiral.
Then imo Cyke.
After Cyke I dont think the list matters anymore.

[Dasrik]

Personally, I think Doom should be directly below the Big Four. Maybe putting Strider and Spiral above them is justified, but IMO they don't win matches on their own. Doom with one meter is nothing to sneeze at, and Doom with two meters is downright scary.

[Tanion]

Why the hell does everyone consider Dhalism a anti-Storm/Mags person? If anything Cyclops is a MUCH better character than Dhalism. He can chip, build matter really fast, play a lil keep away, good assits etc etc... please I want to know why Dhalism is considered the silent killer of two of the Big 4. I have played against some pretty good Dhalism players and all they do is POKE and do some rushdown... or runaway.

Dhalism is a loser! If you want to kill Storm or Mags get learn how to play as Cyclops and [MASTER] Omega Red.

I have seen this guy totally DESTROY this MSP team using Omega Red... it was freaking beautiful and scary at the same time since he basically predicted what his opponent would do, unleash the coils, mash his life away then throw him.

:eek:

Sorry for the rant but here are other people that I think are underrated and overrated.

underrated :

Jin = his AAA is freaking powerful and invincible! You dont' know how many times I laugh at those people that use Capcom AAA... it blows them away!

Omega Red = I really want to master him... his coils are evil!

Megaman = Despite that this guy is a annoying fucker... he is pretty good. Crappy assists IMO. :(

Servbot = get some invincible AAA's and a quick projectile assist... he could be your wosrt nightmare! :)

Anakaris = He takes just as much damage as Strider... but I believe that Anakaris is a better character on his own than Strider. That unblockable throw and his Royal Curse can really piss off people... I would know. :evil:

Doom: He is more than just an assist! Anyone tried his other assist? The photon shot one? It's not as quick as his AAA but it goes farther.

overrated:

Dhalism = the bastard takes above average damage and deals below average damage... yet he can defeat Magento and Storm. -twitches- sure....

Jill = wooo look at me air combo my fiery dash into a SUPER fiery dash... -.- yeah that's all I can do. -throws zombies and dogs at you-

Spider-Man = people who used to own everyone with Spider-man for free in MvC1 think they can own everyone in MvC2? Let's see you try! :lol:

Cammy = she is Magneto version 1.0 with bugs and crap. I have no trouble with her using my Rogue. Kiss, air combo, crouching HK, Good Night Sugah. ;-)


Now I have a question for you people... why do you consider to Capcom to be overated? I think he is one of the best characters with one of the best AAA's IMO. He has more options than Ken or Psylocke... supposedly one of the best AAA's in the game. The only thing I can say that Capcom pales in comparsion to Cyclops since Cyclops is freaking awesome. A simple standing hkx2 XX Super Optic Blast does 55+ damage. But then again Cyke's AAA is kinda crappy in terms of defense. It only does 16-18 damage if it gets all it's hits but Capcom's does a solid 22 points of damage.

Capcom is just below Ken's AAA which is does 26 damage and Iron Man's AAA which does 36 if all the hits connect.

So... why do you people think Capcom is considered overated?

[BshidoHEAT]

Geez people... Omega Red is WAY OVERRATED!!!:bluu:

and if you agree with me.. I pitty you

[N-Ken]

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[Ouroborus]

Originally posted by Jinsogood
Seriously Cable isnt overrated.
Cable is ranked #4 in the top 4.
That is THE perfect position for his ass.

Is Cable better then Storm Sent Magz? No.
Is Cable better then everyone else? Well.... Yes.

The power of AHVB just cant be denied. It makes Cable stand a chance vs the big 3, and a pretty good one too.

Cable with AAA is still one of the hardest things to overcome in this game.

Strider, he isnt overrated or underrated.
He is an anomoly in MVC2. He is potentially the best character in the game.
But due to the limitations of mechanical and human error he isnt.

Under the Big Four should immediately follow Strider/Spiral.
Then imo Cyke.
After Cyke I dont think the list matters anymore.

I agree completely.

However, IMO, I still think Doom isnt all that. I'm not saying he isnt good, but hes just a bunch of small little tricks. He sorta plays like Cyke but more bulky and slow.

I dont think IM is overrated. Most people know that he isnt all about that infinite. He play style resembles Doom's a bit, so its not all too bad.

[oORYUOo]

Originally posted by rice picker
megaman is underrated.he owns magnus for free.i dont think anyone is overrated.people think theyre good for a reason

I agree with you 100%:D

[El Maniatico]

Flame if you will: Whats is Iron Mans Easiest infinate to pull off?

Extremely underated character would be Thanos. If very well played can be deadly. Same with Shuma :D

Overrated? Neto :D

[wipeout2049]

I think that Akuma is underrated and maybe, Anakaris, and Thanos. Zangief and Hayato are also better than most people think.

People often put Hayato with the lowest of the bottom tiers but come on! You don't have to keep using all of his laggy moves or to keep throwing out lotsa random supers because that is not the point of playing Hayato! Use his priority and range to start combos if you have a chance. Don't forget that his normals can be canceled into specials or switch out. Crouching lp, cr.mp, cr.hk has insane range for a chain. Almost as good as dhalsim's cr.lp, cr.mp, cr.hp but without the danger of the opponent hitting or countering your fists(including projectiles). Use less laggy normals when close up and please don't cancel into qcf+p and say that Hayato sucks cause of the lag unless as a sudden counter.

Roll also have some good points. Her Rush Drill is slow but has an invincible start-up and invincibility throughout its duration. Her Hyper Roll can counter normal attacks and jump-ins. She is small, has a slide to make her even smaller and she is not THAT weak.

Use Roll's kicks instead of her punches. Her standing and crouching lk does 4 damage and her standing and crouching medium kicks does 7 which is AS STRONG AS RYU AND EVEN STRONGER THAN MEGAMAN'S! Her punches are weaker and also pushes the opponent more away than her kicks. Lp, mp, hp, fireball does not connect but lk, mk, hp, fireball does! NEVER USE HER AIR FIREBALL AS AN AC FINISHER. It only does a pathetic 5 damage minus the damage reduction. Use up+hk or throw instead. Her throw has good priority and damage. She got a double jump. Her jumping lk is fast, has decent range and priority, and can be used to catch the opponent. People say that her cr.hp is useless but I think that it could bo used to biuld some hyper meter because it has the exactly recovery time as her standing hp but she is crouching and does not move forward. You can also cancel into special, super, or switch out.

A good basic combo for Roll is jump-in with lk->mk->up+hk, land, dash-in deep, standing lk->mk->hp->fireball. You can make good use of her items too. She is not the best(duh)but there are ways to improve her usefulness!

[Naslectronical]

Originally posted by El Maniatico
Flame if you will: Whats is Iron Mans Easiest infinate to pull off?

Extremely underated character would be Thanos. If very well played can be deadly. Same with Shuma :D

Overrated? Neto :D

LOL LOL LOL

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanos is right where he deserves to be. The programmers at Capcom must have gone to lunch right before they programmed in Thanos' airthrow, and then forgot about it when they came back from the break because he sure as hell doesn't have one. Anyone who gets a significant lead can beat him by jumping up to back. His Power XX Power XX Soul Combo isn't all that bad, but how's he going to land it? He's a fatass with no mobility at all. Not to mention that also makes him a combo target.

:lame:

[wipeout2049]

Unfortunately, Hayato and Roll have terrible assist and assist plays a HUGE role in MVC2.

Their DHComboability are also pretty lame although Hayato has EXCELLENT DHComboability out of his rushing sword super(qcf+pp). As an added bonus, it's actually very easy for Hayato to combo into it(qcf+pp)making it a good way of ranking up damage from a combo.

[wipeout2049]

Sorry, my bad. Hayato's assists actually are pretty good. Of course, it doesn't nearly match the invincibility and super setup of Cyclops gene slice, the protection and chip damage of Doctor Doom's anti-air, or the glitched Juggernaut Punch that brings instant death on the other side of the screen. However, Hayato's assists does lend a helping hand in the fast paced game of MVC2. His b+hp plasma combo starter also have very good startup, range, and recovery. If blocked, it is often safe to continue the chain for a few more hits as long as no assists gets into the way.

[Jinsogood]

Originally posted by Dasrik
Personally, I think Doom should be directly below the Big Four. Maybe putting Strider and Spiral above them is justified, but IMO they don't win matches on their own. Doom with one meter is nothing to sneeze at, and Doom with two meters is downright scary.

Personally I think Cyke is better then Doom as a character.
But the overall skill level of people using Cyke doesnt show it.
Really, I think American Cyke is pathetic. He has much more to offer then SJ.RH RH RH, double jump, RH RH.
His priority foot still has pretty damn good priority, it isnt god like it was in XSF, but it is still good.
He can fucking DOMINATE Sent, has a decent shot vs. Cable, and can impersonate Storm vs. Magz and run away.
He isnt too hot vs Storm tho, imo he gets FUCKED UP.
And thats without touching his fucking infinite.
If American players picked up on his infinite, I swear Cyke would be a SOLID #6.

In application however, I would tend to agree that Doom is near the top 4, but I would put him at number 8 or number 9.
There is way more expierience playing doom then Cyke.
Sure Strider and Spiral cant really kill anything by themselves.
But Strider and Spiral are starting characters, really they arent 1 on 1ing anything anyway.
And the potential domination that Strider and Spiral have just make them better.
Strider/Spiral can be 1 player games sometimes, with them just completely dominating a match.
And that can be said of the top 4 too, but really, I dont see Doom just up and dominating a match.
He is good, but I dont think he brings anything to the table that is a dominating force.
Not like the characters ranked over him.

[DeathFromAbove]

Originally posted by Jinsogood
I dont see Doom just up and dominating a match.
He is good, but I dont think he brings anything to the table that is a dominating force.
:confused: How many characters die for free to Doom-B assist?

[namo444]

Ever tried landing near Doom? Not pretty is it? Ok, how bout we do this...


Doom/Sent/BH....


cr.lk, call Sent, cr.fierce, cancel into flight, ad/b, laser, cancel flight call BH, sj., and do whatever you want from there.


Doom doesn't have too much trouble with Sent if he's in unfly mode.... it's funny as hell when you make Sent block, then he tries to frying pan you, and you block, lol...


Doom can friggin completely lock-down Sent for at least 4 seconds with BH AAA once Sent is grounded, all you gotta do is fly a little low, start firing off a couple lasers to chip, and call BH AAA... once that's all done, just keep him grounded with lasers, go to the ground, and start tri-jump, lk, cr.lk, rh, and then take off half of Sent's lifebar from there.




IMO...


IM vs Sent is pretty hard to decide. Sent is a huge target, and if he's not careful enough, he can just get killed in the first 5 secs of the match. IM just needs to pace the match a bit, then try and go for j.u/f fierce when Sent is in flight, and if it hits, auto-infinite, proton cannon.


BH vs Sent

Sent Stomps BH


BH vs Storm


Bh get's raped... by either rushdown or run-away


BH vs Magz


Good god..


BH vs Strider


Don't make me laugh


BH vs Cable

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


BH vs Spiral

"Dancing Sword, ching ching ching ching, Dancing Sword!"


BH vs Cykes


"Mega Optic Blast!!!"


BH vs IM

.....


BH vs Doom


Doom pwnz j00...




There BH has been defeated by almost every single top-tier there is.... Doom kills BH with j.fierce, IM takes him out easy, and the rest I have explained..

[Ouroborus]

Originally posted by namo444
Ever tried landing near Doom? Not pretty is it? Ok, how bout we do this...


Doom/Sent/BH....


cr.lk, call Sent, cr.fierce, cancel into flight, ad/b, laser, cancel flight call BH, sj., and do whatever you want from there.


Doom doesn't have too much trouble with Sent if he's in unfly mode.... it's funny as hell when you make Sent block, then he tries to frying pan you, and you block, lol...


Doom can friggin completely lock-down Sent for at least 4 seconds with BH AAA once Sent is grounded, all you gotta do is fly a little low, start firing off a couple lasers to chip, and call BH AAA... once that's all done, just keep him grounded with lasers, go to the ground, and start tri-jump, lk, cr.lk, rh, and then take off half of Sent's lifebar from there.




IMO...


IM vs Sent is pretty hard to decide. Sent is a huge target, and if he's not careful enough, he can just get killed in the first 5 secs of the match. IM just needs to pace the match a bit, then try and go for j.u/f fierce when Sent is in flight, and if it hits, auto-infinite, proton cannon.


BH vs Sent

Sent Stomps BH


BH vs Storm


Bh get's raped... by either rushdown or run-away


BH vs Magz


Good god..


BH vs Strider


Don't make me laugh


BH vs Cable

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


BH vs Spiral

"Dancing Sword, ching ching ching ching, Dancing Sword!"


BH vs Cykes


"Mega Optic Blast!!!"


BH vs IM

.....


BH vs Doom


Doom pwnz j00...




There BH has been defeated by almost every single top-tier there is.... Doom kills BH with j.fierce, IM takes him out easy, and the rest I have explained..

Wow, you certainly told me why BH sucks :rolleyes: :lame:

[Dasrik]

Originally posted by namo444
There BH has been defeated by almost every single top-tier there is.... Doom kills BH with j.fierce, IM takes him out easy, and the rest I have explained.. You haven't explained shit. I stopped listening around the time you said Doom owns Sentinel.

[FluffyXXL]

Originally posted by Jinsogood


Personally I think Cyke is better then Doom as a character.
But the overall skill level of people using Cyke doesnt show it.
Really, I think American Cyke is pathetic. He has much more to offer then SJ.RH RH RH, double jump, RH RH.
His priority foot still has pretty damn good priority, it isnt god like it was in XSF, but it is still good.
He can fucking DOMINATE Sent, has a decent shot vs. Cable, and can impersonate Storm vs. Magz and run away.
He isnt too hot vs Storm tho, imo he gets FUCKED UP.
And thats without touching his fucking infinite.
If American players picked up on his infinite, I swear Cyke would be a SOLID #6.

Aw yes, and the japanese once again proved to us how superior their Cyclops' were at EVO, no? I didn't think so...

So, people got to get off of the japanese's nuts about Cyke. Infinite doesn't make Cyke good. Meterbuilding, S/J/SJ.Roundhouse and MOB make him good. And please explain how he has a decent shot vs Cable and can run away from Mags.

You know, other than the fact that you seem to be a nipp-o-phile, the other hint that you don't know what you're talking about is when you said he looses to Storm. Actually, she's pretty much the only solid top tier win he has. He does decent vs Sent, but IMO that match is too risky.

[namo444]

I'm not saying Doom ownz Sent, but I'm saying there's more then just ghey throwing pink shit all around the place... Sent still has a major advantage in the long run, if he has either Capcomm AAA or any good assist, but Doom is still dangerous with just one meter.....

[namo444]

OK, let's do this again...

Cable cut's through demons with AHVB, viper beams, and he can keep BH outta the air easily.


Doom can rape BH easily with j.fierce, sj.fierce, and rushing him down.


Spiral can just lock his ass down, as he's a friggin huge monster.


Strider can out-zone him, and chip him to death..


Magz just needs a good assist and he'll rape BH. Even without one, he can still rape him if he's close enough...


Storm will hail storm BH outta the skies if he tries throwing demons, or just wavedash under there, then cross him up.

IM can cut through demons with uni-beam, and if he has Sent assist behind him, he can go for an easy setup to infinite.




Rephrasing Doom vs Sent match..


Doom doesn't own Sent, but it's not so bad to the point where you have a better chance if hell froze over. He's still got some options, but they are extremely limited, do to the fact that Sent has a frying pan... and his little buddy Capcomm.


Doom needs to keep Sent grounded as long as he can, and that's a problem. Sent can keep anyone out of the air with just a frying pan, and he can stomp you before you even jump. Pushblock is important in this match, as it helps creates openings vs Sent. Your j.fierce may not be fast as his, but with any decent AAA, you'll be able to keep Sent out for a few secs, once he's on the ground, you go and rush him down. Dealing with Sent while he's on the ground is a little better then dealing him in the air, as Sent isn't as manuverable. If Sent is in the corner, you can do a reset with Doom if you want...

cr.lk, cr.fierce, wait, sj., sj.rh air throw, super pink shit him...


Advantage factor

I think Sent has a 6/4 advantage out of 10 against Doom, while doom only has a 4/6 factor. Reason is that, if Sent knocks Doom into the corner, it's going to be extremely hard getting out of there.... also because Sent just frying pans him, stomps him, and so on...

[Ouroborus]

Originally posted by namo444
OK, let's do this again...

Cable cut's through demons with AHVB, viper beams, and he can keep BH outta the air easily.


Doom can rape BH easily with j.fierce, sj.fierce, and rushing him down.


Spiral can just lock his ass down, as he's a friggin huge monster.


Strider can out-zone him, and chip him to death..


Magz just needs a good assist and he'll rape BH. Even without one, he can still rape him if he's close enough...


Storm will hail storm BH outta the skies if he tries throwing demons, or just wavedash under there, then cross him up.

IM can cut through demons with uni-beam, and if he has Sent assist behind him, he can go for an easy setup to infinite.




Rephrasing Doom vs Sent match..


Doom doesn't own Sent, but it's not so bad to the point where you have a better chance if hell froze over. He's still got some options, but they are extremely limited, do to the fact that Sent has a frying pan... and his little buddy Capcomm.


Doom needs to keep Sent grounded as long as he can, and that's a problem. Sent can keep anyone out of the air with just a frying pan, and he can stomp you before you even jump. Pushblock is important in this match, as it helps creates openings vs Sent. Your j.fierce may not be fast as his, but with any decent AAA, you'll be able to keep Sent out for a few secs, once he's on the ground, you go and rush him down. Dealing with Sent while he's on the ground is a little better then dealing him in the air, as Sent isn't as manuverable. If Sent is in the corner, you can do a reset with Doom if you want...

cr.lk, cr.fierce, wait, sj., sj.rh air throw, super pink shit him...


Advantage factor

I think Sent has a 6/4 advantage out of 10 against Doom, while doom only has a 4/6 factor. Reason is that, if Sent knocks Doom into the corner, it's going to be extremely hard getting out of there.... also because Sent just frying pans him, stomps him, and so on...

What I said at the second page is so fuckin true. When most people talk about BH, they dog him and often dont know wtf they are talkin about. Does BH lose to them? Yes. Is he without options? Hell no.

About Cyke:
I firmly believe hes better than Doom. The only matches he does better than Doom is BH and Spiral. His runaway game is pretty good and hes a better anti runaway than Doom. Also, he has great jumping normals and jump in, which is something Doom lacks in. Like Doom, he doesnt have one set tactic, just a mix of everything. Rushdown, runaway, space controlling with s./c.hp, etc. The biggest thing that Cyke has over Doom is mobility.

[FOBio]

Okay, I know this thread is pretty old, but I just saw the craziest Wolverine user EVER. He had Steal Wolverine, Sent, Bonerine. It was so kickass. I now think the Wolverine's are under rated. I still think they are Cheesey Mofo's, but in this game, there are people so much better, so my hateness for them died down. But this dude seriously kicked ass with this team. It was just too good.

[Dasrik]

Originally posted by namo444
Cable cut's through demons with AHVB, viper beams, and he can keep BH outta the air easily.Actually, Cable can't. Cable has problems with people that can occupy the 45-degree below angle on him as well as stay right above him. If BH can get free of Cable, he can throw demons, airdash, and be safe. Plus it's pretty easy, since Cable has basically only two means of travel to the air - jump, or super jump.

In my opinion - BH stalemates Cable. This can be a good thing depending on how the match goes, but if you're not winning by much, Cable can shave your lead away quickly. Better be good at blocking.

Doom can rape BH easily with j.fierce, sj.fierce, and rushing him down.Not debated.

Spiral can just lock his ass down, as he's a friggin huge monster.No. The only time BH's size is a factor is when he's caught in the wall of swords trap, which is really an issue for everyone. The reason Spiral beats BH is because of jump fierce. Once you get BH in that zone, BH has negative options.

Strider can out-zone him, and chip him to death..Undebated.

Magz just needs a good assist and he'll rape BH. Even without one, he can still rape him if he's close enough...If your mentality is "Rush that shit down", Magneto will die. BH vs. Mags is one of the few matches in which the Magneto player is forced to actually think. Thankfully, it doesn't take much. You just have to play smart.

Storm will hail storm BH outta the skies if he tries throwing demons, or just wavedash under there, then cross him up.This is a simplistic strategy, and it doesn't always work if that's what you're waiting for. BH can keep Storm from mindless running, and he can bait out hail storms. Nobody said he had to call a helper. Hey, I don't think BH beats Storm either, but if that's gonna be your mindset, then my gameplan alone is better because it's flexible.

IM can cut through demons with uni-beam, and if he has Sent assist behind him, he can go for an easy setup to infinite.Yeah, whatever. All your strategies seem to revolve around the opponent demon spamming. BH still has regulars. You haven't played a good Blackheart player. But don't worry, there aren't many people who actually try to use him.

[Dasrik]

Originally posted by FOBio
Okay, I know this thread is pretty old, but I just saw the craziest Wolverine user EVER. He had Steal Wolverine, Sent, Bonerine. It was so kickass. I now think the Wolverine's are under rated. I still think they are Cheesey Mofo's, but in this game, there are people so much better, so my hateness for them died down. But this dude seriously kicked ass with this team. It was just too good. Joe Zaza? He's a scrub! Hahaha :D

[Jinsogood]

Originally posted by FluffyXXL


Aw yes, and the japanese once again proved to us how superior their Cyclops' were at EVO, no? I didn't think so...

So, people got to get off of the japanese's nuts about Cyke. Infinite doesn't make Cyke good. Meterbuilding, S/J/SJ.Roundhouse and MOB make him good. And please explain how he has a decent shot vs Cable and can run away from Mags.

You know, other than the fact that you seem to be a nipp-o-phile, the other hint that you don't know what you're talking about is when you said he looses to Storm. Actually, she's pretty much the only solid top tier win he has. He does decent vs Sent, but IMO that match is too risky.

Regardless of how no Jap players made it past 1st round, what im saying is that Jap Cyke is better then US Cyke.
Im not sayin the Japanese are better then the US, im saying their Cyclops is better then ours.
If you dont recognize that, then youre a complete fool.
I didnt say that Cyke inf was the only thing that made him good, I said he was good without his inf, but with his inf he is that much better.

Storm imo owns Cyke.
Why, because if she can get above him, which is pretty easy, she owns him. I think she owns in ground and air priority.
Cyke has nothing that cuts through her fierce.
She can dominate in the air, and on the ground evetually Cyke will block wrong and she will rush his ass down.
How is Cyke a free win over Storm?
She can build meter almost as fast, and while she is building meter, Cyke really cant, because if she is SJ.FP he cant SJ.RH.

As to how Cyke can run from Magz, SJ.RH.
I dont think Magz has anymove that cuts through that save CR.HP but that only works if Cyke is foolish enough to do another RH so close to the ground and not block it.
With Cyke you can call assists jump backwards and hit RH to run away from Magz.

Cyke has a decent shot vs Cable because it is hard for Cable to deal a whole lot of damage to Cyke.
Cyke can ghetto rush down, or just try and cheese out Cable since his cheese cant be AHVBd.
Cable must have an assist to win vs Cyke imo.
Im not saying Cyke wins this bout, or should, I just think that Cyke can do pretty well vs Cable.

I dont find Cyke vs Sent to be that risky because the only thing to really fear is getting stuck in the corner and being stomped on, and random Rocket Punch>HSF.
Who isnt scared on being stuck in the corner and stomped on?
And who isnt scared of getting hit by the random Rocketpunch>HSF?
He has the same fears as every other character, but he has an air super that absolutely devastates Sent.
I would rather have Cyke vs Sent then almost any other char.

[Ouroborus]

Originally posted by Jinsogood


Regardless of how no Jap players made it past 1st round, what im saying is that Jap Cyke is better then US Cyke.
Im not sayin the Japanese are better then the US, im saying their Cyclops is better then ours.
If you dont recognize that, then youre a complete fool.
I didnt say that Cyke inf was the only thing that made him good, I said he was good without his inf, but with his inf he is that much better.

Storm imo owns Cyke.
Why, because if she can get above him, which is pretty easy, she owns him. I think she owns in ground and air priority.
Cyke has nothing that cuts through her fierce.
She can dominate in the air, and on the ground evetually Cyke will block wrong and she will rush his ass down.
How is Cyke a free win over Storm?
She can build meter almost as fast, and while she is building meter, Cyke really cant, because if she is SJ.FP he cant SJ.RH.

As to how Cyke can run from Magz, SJ.RH.
I dont think Magz has anymove that cuts through that save CR.HP but that only works if Cyke is foolish enough to do another RH so close to the ground and not block it.
With Cyke you can call assists jump backwards and hit RH to run away from Magz.

Cyke has a decent shot vs Cable because it is hard for Cable to deal a whole lot of damage to Cyke.
Cyke can ghetto rush down, or just try and cheese out Cable since his cheese cant be AHVBd.
Cable must have an assist to win vs Cyke imo.
Im not saying Cyke wins this bout, or should, I just think that Cyke can do pretty well vs Cable.

I dont find Cyke vs Sent to be that risky because the only thing to really fear is getting stuck in the corner and being stomped on, and random Rocket Punch>HSF.
Who isnt scared on being stuck in the corner and stomped on?
And who isnt scared of getting hit by the random Rocketpunch>HSF?
He has the same fears as every other character, but he has an air super that absolutely devastates Sent.
I would rather have Cyke vs Sent then almost any other char.

I dont think Japan has any characters better than the USA. Sure it looks like they have a better IM but that is all they play their. Sorta equilvalent to our Sentinel. But all of the Japanese players got peaced out early in all of the American tournies using Iron Man. The Japanese IM are too rushdown/infinite happy and it seems unbelievable they can just get in an infinite that easy.

The reason why Cyke isnt used on point that much is because he doesnt deal damage as much and as quick as the big 4 but more importantly, he's just as good as an AAA. True, the Japanese knows how to do the infinite, but is that really neccesary to win? American Cykes are good to go, but why put him on point when you can just stick him with 2 of the big 4 and use him as an assist? :rolleyes:

Its the other way around, Mag > Cyke, but Cyke beats Storm in a way. Jumping RK is risky vs Magneto. He can air dash to him and jab him out of it. Depending on the distance, it might even possible to throw him out of it before he even hits the RK button. Mags air dash is a bit too fast for Cyke to keep on relying sj. HKs to win the match. Another thing is every time u super jump and run, you are vulnerable of being crossed up.

Cykes j. fp or j.hk can cut thru storms jumping fierce. I like using the j. fp better as it knocks her down like a brick and it beats her j.fp better. If she runs, she can get beamed down by his SOB. Also, his double jump reaches her and he can knock her back down. Her rushdown might pose a problem, but its less threat than Magnetos as he isnt as fast. jumping and RKing and/or gene splicing with assist works pretty well against it. Cykes d+hp beats storms RK launcher, but his SFR doesnt so if you want to jump in on her or Psylocke, use the SFR. The hardest matchup Cyke has against Storm is when she has Psylockes AAA.

[Dasrik]

Originally posted by Jinsogood
Cyke has nothing that cuts through her fierce.Command launcher beats Storm's j.fierce every time, and sets up the infinite, which BTW, not even the Japanese can pull off consistently for more than three cycles. Also, Cyke's j.dn+fierce is insanely prioritized and has been seen to beat Storm's s.rh clean (I wouldn't try it though)

How is Cyke a free win over Storm?He's not, but he has a lot of tools that helps. Storm can't run (SOB stops that) and Storm can't typhoon xx hailstorm Cyke's helper (s.fierce stops that)

Cyke has a decent shot vs Cable because it is hard for Cable to deal a whole lot of damage to Cyke.
Cyke can ghetto rush down, or just try and cheese out Cable since his cheese cant be AHVBd.
Cable must have an assist to win vs Cyke imo.
Im not saying Cyke wins this bout, or should, I just think that Cyke can do pretty well vs Cable.The problem with this fight is that Cyke doesn't get to do his good moves on Cable. He can't chip, and he can't do his standard SOB combo (Cable can zap Cyke even if the combo connects on him).

I would rather have Cyke vs Sent then almost any other char. Problem with Cyke vs. Sent is all-in-all damage. Sure, his j.rh trades with a lot of Sentinel's attacks, but what does it matter if the trade is in Sentinel's favor every time?

[FluffyXXL]

Originally posted by Jinsogood


Regardless of how no Jap players made it past 1st round, what im saying is that Jap Cyke is better then US Cyke.
Im not sayin the Japanese are better then the US, im saying their Cyclops is better then ours.
If you dont recognize that, then youre a complete fool.
I didnt say that Cyke inf was the only thing that made him good, I said he was good without his inf, but with his inf he is that much better.

Storm imo owns Cyke.
Why, because if she can get above him, which is pretty easy, she owns him. I think she owns in ground and air priority.
Cyke has nothing that cuts through her fierce.
She can dominate in the air, and on the ground evetually Cyke will block wrong and she will rush his ass down.
How is Cyke a free win over Storm?
She can build meter almost as fast, and while she is building meter, Cyke really cant, because if she is SJ.FP he cant SJ.RH.

As to how Cyke can run from Magz, SJ.RH.
I dont think Magz has anymove that cuts through that save CR.HP but that only works if Cyke is foolish enough to do another RH so close to the ground and not block it.
With Cyke you can call assists jump backwards and hit RH to run away from Magz.

Cyke has a decent shot vs Cable because it is hard for Cable to deal a whole lot of damage to Cyke.
Cyke can ghetto rush down, or just try and cheese out Cable since his cheese cant be AHVBd.
Cable must have an assist to win vs Cyke imo.
Im not saying Cyke wins this bout, or should, I just think that Cyke can do pretty well vs Cable.

I dont find Cyke vs Sent to be that risky because the only thing to really fear is getting stuck in the corner and being stomped on, and random Rocket Punch>HSF.
Who isnt scared on being stuck in the corner and stomped on?
And who isnt scared of getting hit by the random Rocketpunch>HSF?
He has the same fears as every other character, but he has an air super that absolutely devastates Sent.
I would rather have Cyke vs Sent then almost any other char.

About Japanese vs US Cyke: Have you even seen a good Japanese Cyke player? If so, is there videos? And have you ever seen a good US cyke player? One who knows how to work the winnable matchups and doesn't try to work the unwinnable ones? If you can say a resounding Yes to both of those, than maybe you can be the judge of who has better Cykes.

About Cyke vs Storm: yeah, storm can get above him. But, if Cyke is on the ground, and storm tries to rush him down, Cyke can S.Roundhouse. or, he can OC.Roundhouse and as long as you score at least one rotation of his infinite, you can go for a throw instead of continuing it and score easily more than 50%. And on top of that, Cyke can build meter pretty easily by doing SJ.Roundhouse and then unload with MOB for chip.

Sorry, i was disrupted in my last posting anyway...

And on top of that, he can always J.Roundhouse when Storm triangle jumps if you won't want to be on the ground. Storm tries random hails from full screen. Cyke can S.Fierce. Storm tries to go to the top of the screen and run. Cyke SJs, double jumps, and MOBs at the top of the screen. Cyke's MOB alone is a major damage factor.

[Jinsogood]

Ive seen some vids of Japanese Cyke, it looked almost like XSF with Cyke just hitting his inf super quick.
Ive seen lots of US vids, and imo the US Cyke isnt as good, because without the inf Cyke doesnt deal a whole lot of damage off connected hits.
With the pace of MVC2 now, if you land a hit you best be dealing a grip of damage. Chip alone doesnt win you matches anymore.
I just think US Cykes overall damage output isnt up to par yet.

[Jinsogood]

Originally posted by Dasrik
Command launcher beats Storm's j.fierce every time, and sets up the infinite, which BTW, not even the Japanese can pull off consistently for more than three cycles. Also, Cyke's j.dn+fierce is insanely prioritized and has been seen to beat Storm's s.rh clean (I wouldn't try it though)

He's not, but he has a lot of tools that helps. Storm can't run (SOB stops that) and Storm can't typhoon xx hailstorm Cyke's helper (s.fierce stops that)

The problem with this fight is that Cyke doesn't get to do his good moves on Cable. He can't chip, and he can't do his standard SOB combo (Cable can zap Cyke even if the combo connects on him).

Problem with Cyke vs. Sent is all-in-all damage. Sure, his j.rh trades with a lot of Sentinel's attacks, but what does it matter if the trade is in Sentinel's favor every time?

Ive never seen Cykes launcher beat out Storms fierce, most times I see Cyke go for that launcher, Storm air dashes over Cyke and his foot is pointing the wrong way.
Ive also never seen his dn+FP beat s.RH.
I have seen it get beaten though on several occasions.

Cyke vs Sent, his dn+Fierce I have seen cut through Sents launcher, combos into RH, dash, LK, MP (launcher), air combo/inf.
Sent calls drones or does HSF and doesnt catch Cyke blocking it, its a free super for Cyke.

[gammaunleashed]

overrated: Cable- I just can't respect a man who's only good for running away.

[50mOrEcEnTz]

Originally posted by Jinsogood


Ive never seen Cykes launcher beat out Storms fierce, most times I see Cyke go for that launcher, Storm air dashes over Cyke and his foot is pointing the wrong way.
Ive also never seen his dn+FP beat s.RH.
I have seen it get beaten though on several occasions.

Cyke vs Sent, his dn+Fierce I have seen cut through Sents launcher, combos into RH, dash, LK, MP (launcher), air combo/inf.
Sent calls drones or does HSF and doesnt catch Cyke blocking it, its a free super for Cyke.

the whole concept of cyke being on the ground while storm is tri-jumping is pretty stupid. cyke is an air person against storm. the only time cyke should be on the ground with storm is at near full screen distance, and he should be shooting them dayum fp's to stop that random hailstorm garbage.

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[TheWholeFnShow]

Originally posted by Dasrik


The problem with this fight is that Cyke doesn't get to do his good moves on Cable. He can't chip, and he can't do his standard SOB combo (Cable can zap Cyke even if the combo connects on him).




How sure are you of this? Cuz I've been playing Cyke for 2 years, and I don't remember getting AHVBed after connecting SOB (jab optic blast XX super, cyclone kick XX super).

I honestly can't recall someone doing AHVB right after the SOB hits, in tourney and casual play. Does Cable have to be fast or what? :)

Thanks. :cool:

[ShadyK]

Originally posted by TheWholeFnShow



How sure are you of this? Cuz I've been playing Cyke for 2 years, and I don't remember getting AHVBed after connecting SOB (jab optic blast XX super, cyclone kick XX super).

I honestly can't recall someone doing AHVB right after the SOB hits, in tourney and casual play. Does Cable have to be fast or what? :)

Thanks. :cool:

It's possible. There's only one frame leeway for you to do it though. So it has to be one of those SUPER EXTRA INSTANT AHVBs that are so low that Cable's legs are under the ground and shit!

[FluffyXXL]

Originally posted by Jinsogood
Ive seen some vids of Japanese Cyke, it looked almost like XSF with Cyke just hitting his inf super quick.
Ive seen lots of US vids, and imo the US Cyke isnt as good, because without the inf Cyke doesnt deal a whole lot of damage off connected hits.
With the pace of MVC2 now, if you land a hit you best be dealing a grip of damage. Chip alone doesnt win you matches anymore.
I just think US Cykes overall damage output isnt up to par yet.

You know what's fun about Cyke? Against some characters, he never needs to land a hit. MOB does a lot of chip and is usually safe unless you're against Cable (some other characters probably apply, but I'm not sure at the moment). And if you actually land a hit, you can just land a SOB combo for around 50%.

As for the whole issue about US vs Jap Cyke, if they truly have better Cykes, then their Cykes will be able to win the problem matches at US doesn't seem to be able to handle. So, that means that Jap Cyke can beat Sentinel, and Jap Cyke can beat Cable, and Jap Cyke can beat Magneto, etc.

Now, do you honestly think the japanese can play Magneto, Sentinel, and Cable as well as US can? Look at EVO for you answer there. And it's not like they didn't have their top player here either...

BTW, you should not be landing an infinite on Cable, Sentinel, or Magneto. At high levels of play, that just won't happen. If these mysterious videos you speak of are featuring this, then there's something fundamentally wrong with the infinite-ies.

[Jinsogood]

Originally posted by FluffyXXL


You know what's fun about Cyke? Against some characters, he never needs to land a hit. MOB does a lot of chip and is usually safe unless you're against Cable (some other characters probably apply, but I'm not sure at the moment). And if you actually land a hit, you can just land a SOB combo for around 50%.

As for the whole issue about US vs Jap Cyke, if they truly have better Cykes, then their Cykes will be able to win the problem matches at US doesn't seem to be able to handle. So, that means that Jap Cyke can beat Sentinel, and Jap Cyke can beat Cable, and Jap Cyke can beat Magneto, etc.

BTW, you should not be landing an infinite on Cable, Sentinel, or Magneto. At high levels of play, that just won't happen. If these mysterious videos you speak of are featuring this, then there's something fundamentally wrong with the infinite-ies.

I believe that you should be able to land an inf on a grounded Sent, and have a shot at landing it vs. Cable.
Cable gets stupid with the grenades sometimes and has too much confidence in his jumping RH. You have a shot at dashing under a grenade and hitting the inf on Cable, or using his launcher as an anti air against Cable's RH.
A grounded Sent can be hit by the inf because of d+FP cuts through Sent's launcher which many use as anti air.

I wasnt implying that Jap Cyke can beat Magneto, or Cable consistently or that he should, im saying that when they are forced to use Cyke on point they are much better at using him then the US is.
Cyke is still a force to be reckoned with on point, he isnt like Capcom who is pretty much random corridor>captain sword, which is a joke compared to the offense that Cyke has.

[Jinsogood]

Originally posted by 50mOrEcEnTz


the whole concept of cyke being on the ground while storm is tri-jumping is pretty stupid.

You cant be in the air all the time, and when Storm gets above you and is floating downwards mashing on FP, what are you going to do, jump up into her?
Lets say, instead of taking the FP hits, and being forced back on the ground, or instead of getting air thrown, you instead block the FP on the ground, and Storm goes into a block string, calls an assist, she dashes around you into a cross up...

Is that really a stupid concept?

Storm has pushed you into the corner, or you have been SJ.RH away from Storm and find yourself in the corner, Storm calls an assist to keep you grounded like Sent ground type, while she air dashes above you to keep you from SJ.RHing away.

Is that a stupid concept?

Storm can ground Cyke, and she can cross him up.

[Ouroborus]

Originally posted by Jinsogood


I believe that you should be able to land an inf on a grounded Sent, and have a shot at landing it vs. Cable.
Cable gets stupid with the grenades sometimes and has too much confidence in his jumping RH. You have a shot at dashing under a grenade and hitting the inf on Cable, or using his launcher as an anti air against Cable's RH.
A grounded Sent can be hit by the inf because of d+FP cuts through Sent's launcher which many use as anti air.

I wasnt implying that Jap Cyke can beat Magneto, or Cable consistently or that he should, im saying that when they are forced to use Cyke on point they are much better at using him then the US is.
Cyke is still a force to be reckoned with on point, he isnt like Capcom who is pretty much random corridor>captain sword, which is a joke compared to the offense that Cyke has.

You cant land an infinite on Sentinel, it just isnt possible. He, BH, Juggs and Hulk are too big and heavy to be infinited.

Another thing about Sentinel, his big boot is not his anti air. Fly back and frying pan is. Anything can beat his big boot as it is pretty damn slow.

The Japanese Cyke isnt better than the USA Cyke. The only big thing they have over ours is the infinite, which isnt a major part of Cykes gameplay.

[Jinsogood]

Originally posted by Ouroborus


You cant land an infinite on Sentinel, it just isnt possible. He, BH, Juggs and Hulk are too big and heavy to be infinited.

Another thing about Sentinel, his big boot is not his anti air. Fly back and frying pan is. Anything can beat his big boot as it is pretty damn slow.

The Japanese Cyke isnt better than the USA Cyke. The only big thing they have over ours is the infinite, which isnt a major part of Cykes gameplay.

I didnt know you couldnt land it on the heavies.
That sucks.

I see lots of Sents s.RH on characters that are in the air, wether is just be an attempt at a random air combo, or some sort of anti air.

I think that Cykes inf should be a big part of his gameplay.
It shouldnt dominate his gameplay like Ironmans inf, but I really feel that it should be a part of every Cyke's repetoire.

[FluffyXXL]

Originally posted by Jinsogood


I believe that you should be able to land an inf on a grounded Sent, and have a shot at landing it vs. Cable.
Cable gets stupid with the grenades sometimes and has too much confidence in his jumping RH. You have a shot at dashing under a grenade and hitting the inf on Cable, or using his launcher as an anti air against Cable's RH.
A grounded Sent can be hit by the inf because of d+FP cuts through Sent's launcher which many use as anti air.

Dude...no. Cable having "too much confidence in J.Roundhouse" agrument is completely impossible. You mean to tell me that Cable is going to just jump up and throw a grenade and let Cyke wave dash under him? What, no other assists to prevent him from doing so? Watch a vid of Rodolfo's Cable/Sent-A and tell me you'll get in like that.

Oh, and when did Sentinel's strategy involve trying to anti-air jump-ins that have higher priority than his launcher? Whatever happend to Stomp'o'rama? Sentinel's main strategies won't even allow Cyke to hit him in a way that will put him into an infinite.

Originally posted by Jinsogood


I wasnt implying that Jap Cyke can beat Magneto, or Cable consistently or that he should, im saying that when they are forced to use Cyke on point they are much better at using him then the US is.
Cyke is still a force to be reckoned with on point, he isnt like Capcom who is pretty much random corridor>captain sword, which is a joke compared to the offense that Cyke has.

Shows how much you know about CapCom. When you say "US", do you mean the top US players, or are you just referring to your local arcade? Cuz you gotta travel to see the best of everything.

So what exactly is the argument here? Cyke is overrated or underrated? Time for my .02 if anyone really cares. I personally believe that Cyke is underrated on point. People are usually putting him 2nd or 3rd in team order mainly for his AAA and its ability to set up a variety of combos and supers. So I see no point playing Cyke/Sent/Cable when that doesn't work like Cable/Sent/Cyke. But if you put Cyke on a team in which it strives with him being on point (I don't know Cyke-oriented teams btw), then I guess you have a valid argument. But I usually use Cyke for his AAA and can play him decently on point. I guess my question is...

Do people use Cyke mainly for his AAA, his point play, or both???

[DrumlinerJoe]

I put him in the middle when I play sometimes with Storm/Cyke/Doom. If you gotta switch out Storm or you lose her, Cyke on point with Doom backing him up makes a damn strong team. I think he's very underrated.

[Jinsogood]

Originally posted by FluffyXXL


Dude...no. Cable having "too much confidence in J.Roundhouse" agrument is completely impossible. You mean to tell me that Cable is going to just jump up and throw a grenade and let Cyke wave dash under him? What, no other assists to prevent him from doing so? Watch a vid of Rodolfo's Cable/Sent-A and tell me you'll get in like that.

Oh, and when did Sentinel's strategy involve trying to anti-air jump-ins that have higher priority than his launcher? Whatever happend to Stomp'o'rama? Sentinel's main strategies won't even allow Cyke to hit him in a way that will put him into an infinite.

Shows how much you know about CapCom. When you say "US", do you mean the top US players, or are you just referring to your local arcade? Cuz you gotta travel to see the best of everything.

Ok so I prolly havent seen the US best CapCom, but seriously, this guy sucks the big fat wang on point.
He can deal absolutely no damage besides corridor>sword or launcher>sword.
So his jumping fierce has some priority, and he can toss out his lil helper ninja, big deal, he has almost nothing and if I remember correctly he takes above average damage.
Cap is an assist, PERIOD, you should be shitting a brick when he comes out on point.

Ok so maybe I wont be able to hit RODOLFO's Cable with a Cyke launcher. But I have hit a couple people with Cyke launcher after Commando assist, and then to protect Commando tiger knee grenade, I was quick enough to dash under the grenade and hit the falling Cable with command launcher.
So I wasnt playing Rodolfo, so im not good enough to execute Cyke inf, and I only hit an air combo.
Still, it is possible to hit Cable with a launcher, especially if he is doing normal jumping grenades.
Most tigerknee grenades covered by Cable's J.RH, Cykes launcher beats that, thats why I mentioned Cable being overconfident with it.

If someone tigerknees a grenade and uses J.RH to cover Cables descent, you can launch his ass.

Now that above situation, Cable tiger knees a grenade and hits RH to cover himself, does that not ever happen to you?

As for Sent trying to AA people with jump ins with more priority...
Ever see a Sent land air combo on a Storm?
An airborn Storm, you know, one with a higher priority fierce over his launcher?
I have.
Even in high level play.
But that should have never happened cause a good Sent would NEVER try that huh? Sent should never ever go for an air combo?
What crack are you smokin?

Here's a situation I just hit someone with yesterday,

Sent normal jumps at Cyke in corner he hits RH immediately after RH Capcom comes out, Sent dashes in and goes for cr.LK, s.MP but I push block on the c.LK, I dash and quickly cancel dash into normal jump, Sent recovers from his s.MP and decides to s.RH at my jumping Cyke at the sametime hitting Commando assist, d+FP cuts through his RH, Commando does empty assist.

Its not that unplausable for Cyke to hit Sent.

[DeathFromAbove]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think Cyke is bad against Sent. The main problem with this fight is that Cyke never has an AAA, because he is the AAA. Not too many teams are set up with more than one AAA. I've played Cyke/Sent/Capcom for fun and it does real good against Sentinels. Unfly to block Capcom, then you refly right into SOB, or just get guardbroken if you don't try to refly. Fun. :D

[TheWholeFnShow]

Originally posted by Satomiblood
I guess my question is...

Do people use Cyke mainly for his AAA, his point play, or both???

Well, I play Storm/Cable/Clops in tournies, and he's always my main assist. If Cyke is last, i have no trouble playing with him on point...well, usually if it's 1 on 1.

At Evo and past tournies, I've been in situations where it's Cyke vs. CapCom or Cammy or Sentinel or Storm or Cable, etc. I play somewhat offensively and defensively, and that seemed to work for me.

SFR is hella good. And connecting his SOB does ~50% damage. That's helped in Cyke vs. 2 characters before. :)


Well, that's my Cyke experience. :)

[DrumlinerJoe]

Originally posted by DeathFromAbove
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think Cyke is bad against Sent. The main problem with this fight is that Cyke never has an AAA, because he is the AAA. Not too many teams are set up with more than one AAA. I've played Cyke/Sent/Capcom for fun and it does real good against Sentinels. Unfly to block Capcom, then you refly right into SOB, or just get guardbroken if you don't try to refly. Fun. :D

I usually do pretty well Cyke vs. Sent 1 on 1 myself. As for Cyke never having an AAA to back him up, the times I do play Storm/Cyke/Doom, I save Doom for last. Cyke is a good Character by himself, but backed up by Doom he is amazing, you should try it sometime.

[Eternal Blue]

Cyke sux. He is sooooo overrated. And he is also gay. 2 things that suck about him...BOOOO!

[DrumlinerJoe]

Originally posted by Eternal Blue
Cyke sux. He is sooooo overrated. And he is also gay. 2 things that suck about him...BOOOO!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Pimpswitch EX+]

I think that cammy is definetly over-rated, and I think that Psylocke is OH YAH overrated. I have seen some godo guile, and he's pretty much underrated too. I haven't seen a "great" mag, cuz I think he's really overrated with the people I play with. They know he's suppsta be "king of rushdown" but I end up rockin him more than half the time anyways with "rushdown" like ken and rogue.

[panmarblic]

Originally posted by Jinsogood

Cap is an assist, PERIOD, you should be shitting a brick when he comes out on point.


Did anyone see Rattana's "fighting Capcom" at Evl? He almost ocv'd someone with capcom/sent-g. It was pretty fucked up to see him getting happy when his capcom got snapped in.

[50mOrEcEnTz]

None of the big four are over-rated [mags, cable, sent, storm].

the only person i feel is over-rated is spiral. but i guess that is because i haven't played anybody that is great with her.



Under-rated is the grey area.

I would say a couple people are under-rated.
Tron's usefulness on a team is under-rated. Especially with sent-y to back her up and help her trap.
Doom is underrated I think too. He takes a lot of knowledge to play, and a lot of practice. But if you know how to play the matchups, and how to use all of his moves, then he is a force to be reckoned with.
Lastly, CYKE IS UNDER-RATED. he is number 5 in my book without a shadow of a doubt. his assist has GREAT invinciblilty frames, good priority, and easy to capitalize off. He doesn't have a horrible matchup. (like bh vs mag) He has a VERY GOOD alpha counter. and his RH can give sent major problems.

[Zatalcon]

origanaly posted by JinSoGood

Strider, he isnt overrated or underrated.
He is an anomoly in MVC2. He is potentially the best character in the game.
But due to the limitations of mechanical and human error he isnt.
___________
i totaly agree....
i also think strider w/ doom is ALITTLE underrated
and cable a little overrated...
i think strider w/ doom has what it takes to be in the top4... and cable below him... i mean take a look
Strider w/ doom can give be a BITCH to Storm,Mags, and Sent..
and if played at his best, he totally fuckes up any opponent...
if an enemy screwes up, hes definatly gonna get traped...
and we all know strider and how he can be a parasite always all over on your ass!...
Cable vs. strider, is similar to a Doom vs. Sent.
and strider w/ doom rapes cable!...

i agree w/ u he is te best character potentialy or maybe onlw w/ doom...
but do to how complex he is
below average assist
and his poor in health
he's very debateable

but i still say he's better than cable, since strider has more advantages against other top tier characters than cable does

[nonsenx88]

Underated: For sure i have to say spider man and guile. Guile has a flash kick in the air that takes out nearly everything and he can attack after it. No one uses him or uses that move because they think it has to be charged in the air. He is also able to do some wierd and confusing traps and keep away games. Spider man is one of my all time favorites and he is too quick to pass up. I use thsi team although i have very little effect of top tier. Mostly because of spidermans damage handycap but other than that these two guys are the greatest. I have soo many wierd combos that work and take off a fairly good amount with these two guys and doom. If you would like to know some IM on AIM :califreak01.

OVerated: I would have to say Blackheart and anyone else who cannot function in MVC2 without an assist. Because most of the time when a charector is hard to beat you just take out his assist and he becomes dramatically weakend. That is all.

Interesting huh.

[Jaminis X]

DOOM IS SO OVERATTED HE SUCKS AS A REGULAR PLAYER he GEts Raped UNless you GET lucky WITH RANDOM SUPERs

[whoyodaddy]

JIN IS UNERATED HE HAS SUCH A GOOD HELPER

[Pryde]

Originally posted by Jaminis X
DOOM IS SO OVERATTED HE SUCKS AS A REGULAR PLAYER he GEts Raped UNless you GET lucky WITH RANDOM SUPERs


You sure do know what you're talking about.:rolleyes:

[Eternal Blue]

I have to say that Doom still has a huge weapon that ppl fail to utilize to the max from vids I've seen and shit like that. His PA is INSTANT...which means if u weren't blocking when it activates from close range, you eat it. Having said that, building teams around frame killing using his tiger kneed PA is killer. Take for example the team Storm/IM/Doom...awesome team, but lacking a good antiair...this can be cured though cause of the strategy which sorta requires someone to rush you down after u build meter...let me explain:

You build meter with Storm...drop doom-aaa, runaway, build 3 meters...now u need to try to get doom!

Do this by either killing a character with Storm and taggin him in or do it against Cable's bullets...if Doom actually HITS, you can dash in and TK'ed PA so all hit, then DHC xx Proton Cannon, DHC'ed into Hail. Killer damage. Now you can runaway with Storm AGAIN...forever or to build meter again and rinse and repeat.

Frame killings helps a lot of lower tier if u have a good team with powerful supers.

[Dasrik]

Originally posted by Jaminis X
DOOM IS SO OVERATTED HE SUCKS AS A REGULAR PLAYER he GEts Raped UNless you GET lucky WITH RANDOM SUPERs Doom/Blackheart owns you.

[BshidoHEAT]

Originally posted by Dasrik
Doom/Blackheart owns you.

Naa man... Servbot/Doom owns him.