Sabretooth Video RELEASED [Archive]

Higher-Jin

07-07-2005, 11:16 PM

Well the video is finished although I feel like maybe I should have took a more tutorial-ish approach because there is ALOT of technical data that couldn't possibly fit in this video. This is also why I also attached a text file that explains alot and is rich with information about sabretooth and the stuff done in the vid. The text file will also help you understand how to perform everything that was done in the video and what it was used for.

The video itself is really fast paced and I think you'll enjoy it.

I want to get your feed back on what you think of the video and despite what I said before about the techincal data..... I still think you might look at sabretooth differently after this. Also make sure you stick around for the credits which has some extra footage.

Hope you enjoy here it is:
http://zachd.com/mvc2/#combos (should be on the top of the list, above "this is how you do it")

http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=10LOUDIS809TC1N15OU4BMUD10

If you want it in slightly better quality or something leave a comment saying so.

Thanks

Duy Nguyen

07-07-2005, 11:47 PM

Good stuff.
Keep up the good work man... :tup:

sainthuey

07-07-2005, 11:51 PM

Higher-Jin

07-07-2005, 11:53 PM

wow it wasn't bad at all, i saw the infinite not the one on the sent the other one in the corner can that be rolled out of?

More people should play low tiers

p.s. i saw some of your match videos in jin's section they don't work anymore got a link?

Those were from a long time ago I don't think I have them anymore I had to reformat sorry. They weren't that good anyways.

edit: The corner infinite...the throw can be rolled out of but I think wild fang has a special property that does not allow you to roll out.

Sanchez

07-07-2005, 11:57 PM

Good watching. :tup:

Almost makes me wanna play MVC2 again.

Preppy

07-08-2005, 12:01 AM

Higher-Jin

07-08-2005, 12:05 AM

In the combo at 1:58, you can still use the Tron assist, right? One way to add some more damage...

Gotta love the roll recovery cross-ups with his roundhouse kick. Ow. :smile:

MikeZ in his Combos 09 vid showed the nice DHC from Super Birdie to whatever trick, which leaves Super Birdie shootin' them up, which can potentially extend combos nicely. Haven't really toyed around with that, though.

:tup:

yeah the thing is sabre at least has a reason to make them roll since he can otg you, I think you might be able to work out a mix up from the cross up glitch (it's one of the first things on the video) tronne keeps them in block stun and you might go high or fake high and go low.

MagnetGenocide

07-08-2005, 12:07 AM

Good shit :tup: Hope to see a jin vid soon.

j99

07-08-2005, 01:43 AM

Awesome vid-- loved the wall-jump crossup-- and the music kicked ass.

Keep it up.

:tup:

_MJ_#R

07-08-2005, 05:09 AM

cv.com dood, submit it.

**Skimitar**

07-08-2005, 02:54 PM

cv.com dood, submit it.

biggest spam site on the net :sad:

**Skimitar**

07-08-2005, 02:59 PM

lmao on that music you used on the credits. shit was tight!

white shadow

07-08-2005, 03:01 PM

Good stuff Higher-Jin!!!:tup: But you make baby Sakura cry.:sad:

sainthuey

07-08-2005, 03:25 PM

hey what and how did you record it?

Obot64.com

07-08-2005, 03:37 PM

Good vid. Nicely done. Ending was over the top. A+

Obot64.com Seal of approval :tup:

J.D

07-08-2005, 03:37 PM

Credits BGM Was SO Top Tier

Higher-Jin

07-08-2005, 04:26 PM

hey what and how did you record it?

I got it done in my friend's house, it came with his computer iirc.

Credits BGM Was SO Top Tier

Yeah he came up with it, it's funny because I'm at odds with him right now. Thanks everyone for your support.

Preppy

07-08-2005, 04:49 PM

Vid is mirrored here now too:
* http://zachd.com/mvc2/#combos
, by request. :tup:

Vyral React

07-08-2005, 05:09 PM

some pretty dope shit :D

_MJ_#R

07-08-2005, 05:10 PM

biggest spam site on the net :sad:

??????

fuck you

Manx

07-08-2005, 05:33 PM

Great vid! Thanks!

bbq sauce

07-08-2005, 05:45 PM

Pretty dope vid, half the shit in there, I didn't even know Sabe was capable of.

Btw, what's that song you played in the credits? It sounds really familiar.

Higher-Jin

07-08-2005, 05:54 PM

Pretty dope vid, half the shit in there, I didn't even know Sabe was capable of.

Btw, what's that song you played in the credits? It sounds really familiar.

super smash brothers melee - dr mario theme.

Vid is mirrored here now too:
* http://zachd.com/mvc2/#combos
, by request. :tup:

Thanks preppy you rock

BB Hood

07-08-2005, 06:15 PM

Who else agree's????
I can't believe you posted something like that :sad:. You know your glitch is going to be in a video that is going to be hosted on CV. I still cant believe you said that.... :shake:

Nemesis00

07-08-2005, 06:33 PM

Good shit, Jin.

_MJ_#R

07-08-2005, 06:51 PM

:arazz: :arazz: :arazz: :arazz:

well i was just giving him some webspace for the vid, if he dont want it then fine. No sweat off my balls...

and you ever heard of a pop up blocker? Wonderful things..

and for the neg reps, a BIG FUCK YOU. :tdown:

BB Hood

07-08-2005, 06:59 PM

I told you Skimitar....
Edit: Higher Jin is Sabretooh actually that good in a real match?

Higher-Jin

07-08-2005, 08:07 PM

I told you Skimitar....
Edit: Higher Jin is Sabretooh actually that good in a real match?

I did pretty good on mvsc2demon (recently) and did decently at joe r.'s party BEFORE I found 90% of this stuff so ... he might be. I'd have to test it out some more before I could tell you but yea I think he could be pretty good.

The runner of combovideos doesn't do that to make profit he needs that money to even stay afloat. I'm not trying to disrespect you know I think you're pretty bomb at mvc2 and all that stuff but seriously don't say that about combovideos it's a pretty cool site, it's okay dude you may just not have known.

He closed down already because he couldn't afford to pay for it and he was paying for it out of his own pocket, it costs alot of money to pay for a server that hosts the ammount his does and he still isn't even breaking even he's still losing money just less so now with the ads. I hate ads don't get me wrong but combovideos is a great site and it's a great contribution to the community IMO

**Skimitar**

07-08-2005, 08:18 PM

if he dont want it then fine. No sweat off my balls...
and you ever heard of a pop up blocker? Wonderful things..
and for the neg reps, a THANK YOU.:tup:

Hmmmmm Pop up blocker you say, which are good?
never heard of them :rolleyes:

This will be my last post on this stupid subject. I dont' want to spam this thread from all the posts about pop up's you get from CV.Com :tup:

Sorry HJ for this.
MJ sorry to hurt your feelings.:bgrin:

peace

**Skimitar**

Preppy

07-08-2005, 11:52 PM

Since I got quoted, I'll good-naturedly add:
You put N amount of money out in return for X amount of services. It's bullshit to say that anybody has to fork out a fixed amount of money to run a web site. If the services are too much, change the services you use - it's easy enough to talk with your service provider to get the hosting costs down to a reasonable level. This is not rocket science, and every time anybody gets pissy about CV's pop-up ads, the response is "SHUT UP" or (quote) "fuck you", which is just stupid. Nobody has ever gotten concrete about what it takes to run CV because that would defuse the argument that pop-ups are "unavoidable". Pop-up blockers don't block interstitials or the ad layer on top of the page frame. Don't try to pawn off like a pop-up blocker would solve the issues with CV - that's lame. That only addresses one of the six ads you get when you click once on the CV page. :rolleyes: Shadowhaxor has volunteered to host gigs of videos on his site (http://www.shadowhaxor.net), so I'd suggest pointing people there. :smile:
I agree that CV has general value, but the ads are definitively inarguably annoying (regardless of fiscal merit) and if it's too much money, he should change the disk space he uses to something that's maintainable over time. This is important to anybody who cares about CV, since it's the only way it's going to sustain itself over time. This is what I've said repeatedly, and why I think the current site is a complete cock-up. :smile:

Back to Sabes:
Yeah, he actually *is* pretty good in practice, but has big problems with run-away. If you can work around that (or know that your opponent is going to move forward a couple times during the match), you should be in good shape. HJ likes Sabes/Sent/Tron, I like Sabes/Cable/Tron, and I believe the more 'traditional' team is Venom/Sabes/Doom (?). (Both Cable and Venom can nicely exploit Sabe's Birdie assist.)

mvsc2demon

07-08-2005, 11:52 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, dont leave.

HJ, told you my choice for ending music was good. Should've started the song late so it could end when vid ends cuz it still needed like 8sec left.

Higher-Jin

07-09-2005, 01:00 AM

Back to Sabes:
Yeah, he actually *is* pretty good in practice, but has big problems with run-away. If you can work around that (or know that your opponent is going to move forward a couple times during the match), you should be in good shape. HJ likes Sabes/Sent/Tron, I like Sabes/Cable/Tron, and I believe the more 'traditional' team is Venom/Sabes/Doom (?). (Both Cable and Venom can nicely exploit Sabe's Birdie assist.)

Doesn't the birdie assist not hit crouching mags and storm? Is it still effective regardless?

FistsofFury

07-09-2005, 01:28 AM

Good stuff Jin.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather see lower tiered characters played well then 3rd rate top tiers played everywhere.

Preppy

07-09-2005, 01:29 AM

If they're going to crouch, you're happy because they're not running towards you. Them giving me a little more time to build meter is something I'm always happy with. And you should be able to chip them a little while they're pinned down, which is also usually a good thing. It's not chippy like Doom, but it works and people get thrown off by it.

ytwojay

07-09-2005, 02:01 AM

Nice vid. :)

Dios <-X->

07-09-2005, 03:08 AM

that made my penis hard, good shit.

Muskau

07-09-2005, 03:19 AM

New team setup (SSS) Sentinel Storm Sabretooth yeeeehaaaw!

Nah.... I know it can't be that good.

MithrilGrill

07-09-2005, 03:44 AM

Nice video, Tron wall jump mixup is pimpin'.

And hahaha at credits.

Mechanica

07-09-2005, 03:54 AM

<333 low tiers in Marvel, awesome stuff. :D

Magnetro

07-09-2005, 05:30 AM

AHhahahah I loved the ending a lot. Good video.

Asian Mike

07-09-2005, 06:34 AM

good stuff, :clap:

Javid

07-09-2005, 08:46 AM

Ok, I can't get that ending tune out of my head. I know I've heard it before, but where? Next time please put in what the name of the piece of music is, so it doesn't drive me crazy thinking about it. :annoy:

Good vid though, makes me wanna use some low-tier characters again.

sycoticfatboi

07-09-2005, 09:31 AM

nice vid ^_^
i never seen shuma gorath or however u spell it in any combo vid =( next time u should try him? lol =P

Saotome Kaneda

07-09-2005, 01:10 PM

nice vid ^_^
i never seen shuma gorath or however u spell it in any combo vid =( next time u should try him? lol =P
Mike Z broke Shuma 2 years ago...o_o

BB Hood

07-09-2005, 03:55 PM

Xenozip.

07-09-2005, 04:08 PM

Ok, I can't get that ending tune out of my head. I know I've heard it before, but where?
Dr. Mario

J360

07-09-2005, 04:31 PM

wow that sabertooth shit inspired me!its time for SabreTooth/Iron Man/Sent WOOT!

Higher-Jin

07-09-2005, 05:25 PM

What if Sabretooth opponent is someone like Sentinel or a Storm. You know how Sentinels can get while they are flying with there lk's and assists. Also with Storm just way in the air spamming hp's. What can your(Higher Jin) team Sabretooth/Sentinel/Tron Bonne do against either one of them characters while Sabretooth is your main character? Most players where i am now and days dont just crouch and not attack.

EDIT: Does he even have tricks to get close to Cable?

Sabretooth can build meter just as fast as storm can and maybe even faster with double hk's so he has that option he can also call birdie + a assist to catch her when she's coming down and maybe get a mix up in. You can also try to attack her in the air at certain angle's where her j. hp can be beaten or when it's recovering although it's hard.

Sentinal is pretty hard to get in on if he's trying to keep away it gets pretty difficult but it still isn't impossible and if you ever get him to land you can try to go for the instant overhead on him and get a pretty good chunk of damage on him. Not to mention once sabre gets on top of him it might be hard for him to get him off on account of him harrassing him with double j. hk and tronne.

Cable strats are just alot of what you usually do you try to get in through the barrage/bait assists, try to cross him up if he super jumps and if you have tronne with you call her before you dash under so you can punish a attempt to j. hk you on the way down. Also if he tries to cross you up while you're super jumping you should try to j. hk him on the way down, it has a big cross up hit box and it's difficult to cross sabretooth by dashing under him because you risk getting hit by that steep angle hk into a weapon x combo.

I'm not going to say I established all my strats yet because I haven't still it's a working progress and it's not like there's a load of information out there on match ups, strategies or tactics. I basically found out 90% of what I know on my own and I'm still learning. Despite the fact that I'm still learning I don't really appreciate what you're suggesting on the whole "most characters don't crouch and not attack" comment.

BB Hood

07-09-2005, 06:01 PM

mvsc2demon

07-09-2005, 06:52 PM

For prems, i came up with the idea of the songin credits, he wasnt even goign to put it but only did since i recorded it. So rep me 2. :tup:

ChaosNightWolf

07-09-2005, 07:25 PM

Nice video. Although a combo video with a little more variety would be nice to show off the potiental of sabertooth. It's always nice to see some low tier action is a high tier dominated game. :tup:

Higher-Jin

07-09-2005, 07:38 PM

I wasn't lieing when I said that. That is how they play at my Arcade.

EDIT: Sabretooth PROBABLY doesn't do much block damage as the other opponent is on the other side of the screen crouching so it really doesn't affect his game much by dealing little block damage. At least thats what I think.

You don't need to be so condescending, is there a problem or something?

Sabretooth deals block damage just fine on crouching opponents, he does about a fierce's worth (usually) which is around hail storm chip. On standing/tall opponents he does a little more you can try it out yourself. The problem lies in setting it up but once it's out it's good enough and pretty safe at full screen distance except against a ahvb unless you use something like the throw set up which makes the screen scroll and birdie's bullets reach him later.

I have no idea why you seem kinda pissed off.

J.D

07-09-2005, 09:33 PM

Charlie, Then Sabertooth

Wheres Jin :clap:

Higher-Jin

07-09-2005, 10:06 PM

Charlie, Then Sabertooth

Wheres Jin :clap:

I don't want to talk about it =(

ParryPerson.

07-09-2005, 10:12 PM

Awesome shit HigherJin, nice to see some low tier loving.

Shadowhaxor

07-10-2005, 10:36 AM

Very nice..

Also mirroring vid:

http://shadowhaxor.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=71

DAWOLF57

07-10-2005, 11:45 PM

That was PIMP! :tup:

Higher-Jin

07-11-2005, 03:21 PM

Very nice..

Also mirroring vid:

http://shadowhaxor.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=71

Thanks alot shadow, your site is great :tup:

BB Hood

07-11-2005, 03:35 PM

sinnish4

07-11-2005, 03:38 PM

good stuff :tup:

Higher-Jin

07-11-2005, 04:09 PM

Im not pissed off. I swear. I was just saying. His Birdie does Hail Storm Chip? If so then thats great. Sorry if you feel that I am putting Sabretooth down by saying things. I wont say anymore in this thread to keep from bothering you...

I'm not talking about that comment, if you see flaws in sabretooth and want to discuss strategy that's fine but that does seem rather strange is the comment: "at least in my arcade people don't just sit there and don't attack", how am I supposed to take that?

Just forget about it.

07-11-2005, 04:50 PM

Good job.

sleepeRs

07-11-2005, 04:55 PM

GOOD JOB! Now go and make a Shuma-Gorath video!

J.D

07-11-2005, 06:12 PM

I don't want to talk about it =(

Why :xeye:
Then, Shall we call you higher sabertooth from now on :karate:

Ill E

07-11-2005, 06:26 PM

Why :xeye:
Then, Shall we call you higher sabertooth from now on :karate:

Higher-Jin just likes the character Jin. he doesnt play him alot. :smile:

Higher-Jin

07-11-2005, 06:31 PM

Why :xeye:
Then, Shall we call you higher sabertooth from now on :karate:

RAAAWR stop mocking me. You try playing jin f00.

Good job.

Thanks TS

and everyone else thanks for commenting and watching the vid =)

white shadow

07-11-2005, 07:12 PM

BTW if you decide to make Sakura your next project HJ I'll give you combo help team dynamix etc...:tup:

Guardcrush

07-11-2005, 09:05 PM

Most players where i am now and days dont just crouch and not attack.

.....maybe you should quote people correctly before putting words in their mouth.

BB Hood

07-11-2005, 11:05 PM

.....maybe you should quote people correctly before putting words in their mouth.
what are you talking about.

sainthuey

07-11-2005, 11:48 PM

I think higher jin was offended sort of by bb hood's comment on the crouching, he might have said this because 8 combos in the video involved the oppenet sort of just "crouching not attacking" and then the combo began which seems a bit hard to believe that it would be even pulled off, well that's my reason.

BB Hood

07-12-2005, 12:08 AM

Thats not what I meant at all. It had really nothing to do with the combos in the vid. I am talking about if Sabretooth was on one side of the screen and his opponent would be on the opposite side, by that I mean each guy to his corner. Performing a regular Birdie when your in a corner and the opponent is on the other side of the screen is pointless cause they can attack too or basically jump over it. Doing a birdie when up close to an opponent isn't a good idea(unless you have a assist to cover) either cause well they can jump over it and hit you or hit you with their assist. It had nothing to do with the combos done in the vid.

Magnetro

07-12-2005, 12:56 AM

Ruby Heart? Anyone like her? Probably gonna do a video of her if so

mvsc2demon

07-12-2005, 08:01 AM

^^^Ill E beat you to it

Duck Strong

07-12-2005, 08:19 AM

Nice vid, I always like to see the potential of lower tier ownage. I just have a couple of observations.

I know you were trying to illustrate a couple of possible mixups, but some of them don't seem like they would be all that effective. For example, jump back RH is a far cry from a berserker claw so I don't think it would be that hard for your opponent to spot what you're trying to do and react accordingly(i.e. roll or don't roll).

Also did I see you "empty chain" from a normal jump à-la-Shuma. I had no idea SabreTooth could do that too.

Great vid though, keep up the good work.

Magnetro

07-12-2005, 02:44 PM

^^^Ill E beat you to it
Really? I've never heard of it. Can I get the video, I think I probably can add something.

DAWOLF57

07-12-2005, 02:56 PM

Empty chain? whats that?

Duck Strong

07-12-2005, 03:12 PM

Shuma-Gorath can whiff a normal jump jab and still be able to stick another normal out before he/she/it lands. That's what I was talking about.

Higher-Jin

07-12-2005, 03:15 PM

Shuma-Gorath can whiff a normal jump jab and still be able to stick another normal out before he/she/it lands. That's what I was talking about.

I thought it was only kicks.

Also the thing is that usually people roll ASAP if you wait to see if they are trying to follow up you risk getting hit by the follow up.

DAWOLF57

07-12-2005, 03:24 PM

Thought so, and yeah I thought it was only kicks too.
Hey Jin would you consider making a Venom video?

Higher-Jin

07-12-2005, 03:43 PM

Really? I've never heard of it. Can I get the video, I think I probably can add something.

http://zachd.com/mvc2/#combos

look for ill e's "this is how you do it video" i believe.

DA WOLF I might've made a few more vids in the future but let's just say me and my friend who let me use his equipment are in a disagreement, please don't ask for details I don't want any drama.

DAWOLF57

07-12-2005, 03:59 PM

oh, Sorry to hear.

Higher-Jin

07-12-2005, 04:00 PM

oh, Sorry to hear.

I might figure out a way *shrug*

Duck Strong

07-12-2005, 04:03 PM

Higher-Jin

07-12-2005, 04:11 PM

Yeah you guys are probably right. I honestly haven't played MvC2 in ages, but I figure you understood what I meant.

So yeah, back to my question, was I seeing things or can Sabretooth pull the same trick?

Yeah, so far I've only seen sabretooth, shuma, and venom have that "extra action glitch" on their normal jumping kicks.

Basically any kick (even if you chain into middle kicks) will give you a extra action afterwards, you can also build some decent meter by jumping back and doing double roundhouses but only sabretooth's roundhouses will actually come out all the way the others will whiff the second one (but still give meter of course).

sainthuey

07-12-2005, 04:46 PM

I might figure out a way *shrug*

check out the dvc boxes at best buy/circut city hooks up to your usb to the t.v. cost anywhere from 30-50 bucks im probably going to get one asap. :tup:

Augmint

07-13-2005, 01:20 AM

Really? I've never heard of it. Can I get the video, I think I probably can add something.

Ill E's vid only had combos using Ruby Hearts assist. dj B13 had a Ruby Heart vid (ch 25?). Didn't have any combos linking her qcf + 2P (Red Ball) super.

Ten posted a vid of how to link her supers (4 supers - 91 hits) - quality wasn't great, but its really impressive
Alot of resets in her thread.

Ill E

07-13-2005, 08:30 AM

Really? I've never heard of it. Can I get the video, I think I probably can add something.

magnetro, im workin on it right now.. if you can add something , feel free to give me any suggestions for combos, or you can send a video file if you recorded one, and it can be a "collabo" video. and Augmint too. BTW: I gotta go look for that video of the Ruby semi-infinite.. Also.. does anybody know where i can find dj-b13's ruby heart video? I never seen it.

and lol, Higher-Jin the video my called "Show You How To Do this" :karate:

Preppy

07-13-2005, 11:43 AM

Anybody working on Ruby combo vids can hit me up in about an hour... I pulled the three dedicated Ruby Heart videos (2 infinite vids, ToTT chap 23) onto my USB transfer device, so I can get those to you very quick. (Normally, you can get this and all the other ToTT videos from the hub (http://zachd.com/mvc2/#old), of course. :smile: )

Sexperienced.

07-15-2005, 12:45 PM

I thought he was top tier or at least used to be. In x-men vs street fighter he's definitely top tier and cheap as fuck. Some guy I played against (a few years ago) knew how to make most of his specials unblockable.

Ranma0005

07-15-2005, 01:00 PM

Preppy

07-20-2005, 11:05 PM

Come on Prep, we gotta work on a MM combo vid, lets do this!That would be pretty funny - I don't know if I've got any new hot ideas that haven't been seen elsewhere, though. =\ What I really need to do is sit down and figure out a combo with MM that builds a full meter, so I can do glitch start into ground combo w/ Tron into launch into HMM into DHC to Cable. Because starting off with that against Mag teams would be too funny... although I guess with a throw reset... hm. :smile: