Hori Real Arcade Pro FAQ for all versions

[MarkMan]

HRAP3 is going back in stock at NCSX this week. Play-Asia should get more stock this week too.

[EvilSamurai]

I'm new to the arcade stick scene and have only recently learned how to use one. I tell you though, I'm hooked now.

I was wanting know if any knew of a place that still sold Real Arcade Pro sticks or the now rare Virtua Stick High Grade? Play-Asia and Renchi have been out of stock for these two sticks for quite sometime.

Unfortunately, I can't go to japan and amazon.jp won't shop sticks outside of Japan, so I'm between a rock and a hard place. Do I just have to stick with getting a Hori Fighting Stick 3?

www.akihabarashop.jp is taking preorders on the amazon.jp exclusive HRAP3. You also get 10% off any arcade parts you order with the stick if you want to mod it (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED that you swap out the knockoff buttons for authentic Sanwa snapins. The HRAP line comes stock with a Sanwa JLF and crappy Hori buttons). The stick will ship sometime in June so you will have to wait about a month. The store also has a thread in the SRK Tech Talk forum.

[tau_xxx]

The stick will ship on July, not June.
Personally I will buy the classical HRAP3, I don't like the colours of the AV.

[maxx mana]

Yeah, NSCX is solid, for the few of you who might be new to them.

Went ahead and ordered an HRAP3, figured I should weigh the copy of Battle Fantasia I ordered with something. ^_^

[GTDudley]

Is it smarter to buy an HRAPS2 and use a converter or should I go ahead and get an HRAPS3?

I still play alot of PS2 fighters and alot of my friends don't have PS3's.

Also, if I do go the HRAPS2 route, will I be able to use it and the same converter to play on the PC?

Edit: The OBSF-30's are the sanwa buttons I need right?

[Cheesey]

Afaik, there's no readily available DECENT ps2->ps3 converter. Seems like all the ones you can get atm have issues (esp input lag). The only good one was the Pelican converter, but they go up to $100 on ebay. It's ridiculous.

[maxx mana]

Getting an HRAP2, unless you know a different source that isn't eBay(for standard HRAP2) or TRNG's shop (HRAP2SA), you'll probably pay close to $160 or more if you live in the USA.

HRAP3, on the other hand, is about $125 after shipping (in USA) from NCSX. As someone else stated, there's Play-Asia, and I would imagine Yesasia will have them too, but I haven't looked at their prices. Then again, if you change out the buttons, you'll be looking at closer to $150, so maybe there isn't a huge difference in price if you don't care about color and whatnot.

This all leads back to the converter issue though. I'll save that rant for another day, but short term, you'll pay a lot for a good one. Long term, maybe something good will come out of Hong Kong (like that Pelican ripoff from Real), but who knows? Personally, I see the converter market dying out, but thats a rant I'll save for another day/thread.

[GTDudley]

I decided to order an HRAPS3 from the NCSX shop. It's shipping through UPS ground. I hope it doesn't take too long.

I'll probably get sanwa buttons, but I decided it would be cheaper if I got the HRAPS3 within the US and just got the buttons shipped separately from Japan when I decide to order them.

Edit: Hopefully shipping charges for a few buttons won't be ridiculous like trying to get the HRAPS from Japan....

[tau_xxx]

HRAP3 is going back in stock at NCSX this week. Play-Asia should get more stock this week too.

Hmmm..do you know for sure that they will be available in Play-Asia also next week?

[Noob-NJ]

Hmmm..do you know for sure that they will be available in Play-Asia also next week?

I just got a email that my backorder was shipped out, so they got more in.

[MarkMan]

There you have it! GO GO GO!

If you're still on the border, check out my review here:

http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/arcade-sticks/ps3-hrap3/hori-real-arcade-pro-3-review/

[GTDudley]

There you have it! GO GO GO!

If you're still on the border, check out my review here:

http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/arcade-sticks/ps3-hrap3/hori-real-arcade-pro-3-review/

I read your review earlier and that is what pushed me to opt for the HRAPS instead of the Fighting Stick.

[sir_arthur]

There you have it! GO GO GO!

If you're still on the border, check out my review here:

http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/arcade-sticks/ps3-hrap3/hori-real-arcade-pro-3-review/

dang, could you copy-paste the review here, the page is blocked at work :sweat: :sad:

[Indy]

Here you go man.


Hori Real Arcade Pro 3 Review

by Mark Julio aka MarkMan

UPDATE: Thanks to the newest firmware update for the PS3 (1.70), the Hori Real Arcade Pro 3 now works with PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games!

SD TEKKEN finally got their hands on the ever elusive HRAP3 arcade stick for the PS3 console thanks to our friends at High-Score Magazine!

Going back to our review of the Virtua Stick High Grade we can’t help but think about, which stick should I use to play Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection? I mean, after all, we are a TEKKEN site… But to be fair, we’ll go one further, and we’ll get into which stick is best for each job.

One thing that needs to be noted is there are only two high end arcade sticks available for the PS3 as of right now. The Virtua Stick High Grade and the Hori Real Arcade Pro 3. The VSHG retails at ￥7329 yen(about $62 USD) and is about ten dollars cheaper than the HRAP3(￥8379, about $72 USD).

The HRAP3 features a Sanwa JLF-TP8Y-SK arcade stick lever, the same stick used in many arcades all throughout Japan and on dedicated US Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection arcade machines. The buttons on the HRAP3 are very similar to Sanwa OBSF-30/24 snap in buttons and can easily be replaced if you prefer to go all Sanwa or Seimitsu, whatever floats your boat. If you’re not a fan of modifying or opening up sticks, fear not as Hori is planning on releasing the Hori Real Arcade Pro SA later this year which features all Sanwa parts.

The HRAP3 is using the traditional Hori Real Arcade Pro design and casing that has seen success over the years since it’s debut as a PS2 arcade stick. The stick has a good amount of weight to it, although not as heavy as the Virtua Stick High Grade it still gets the job done and is comfortable to play with either on table or in your lap.

The button layout is exactly the same as that of the Hori Real Arcade Pro 2 arcade stick. There are 8 buttons and the four main buttons(square, triangle, x, and circle) are on the far left side while the shoulder buttons are on the right. This layout is perfect for Tekken fans as you can just plug in and go right into battle, no need for remapping buttons like the VSHG.

In gameplay, the stick works wonderfully. SD TEKKEN has been using various converters in both casual and tournament play and from our testing the HRAP3 works just as well as the best converter combined with any PS1 or PS2 arcade stick. One huge advantage for Tekken that the HRAP3 holds is that it works seamlessly with inputs, unlike the VSHG. The VSHG had a problem with T5DR where inputs requiring 3 or more inputs(example Bryan’s 1+3+4 taunt or Jack-5’s f+1+2 used in juggle enders), whereas the HRAP3 has no problems at all. The actual stick lever can be set to either digital, left analog, or right analog sticks. There is also a turbo fire setting with 3 different speeds. The buttons feel good but are a bit mushy, most hardcore fighting game enthusiasts will change them out immediately, although Hori does not recommend it as it will void your warranty, if you’re really adamant about doing it…

You will be greeted by this wondering wiring monstrosity that is the heart and soul of the HRAP3. You will need a standard Phillips screwdriver to take off the back screws on the metal panel and a 7 mm nut driver works best on removing the top panel from the plastic casing. You’ll notice that each button has it’s own pair of color coded wiring that are connected with quick disconnects. This makes for worry free and solder-less button swapping. You may need to use pliers to remove the quick disconnect plugs as they are fastened on pretty tight. All you have to do is unplug the quick disconnect that is plugged into the button and then depress the tabs around the buttons and pop them out of place. Then put the new button you want to put in and just plug the wires back in. Easy as that! Changing the balltop to a different color/style is easy as well. All you have to do is hold the bottom part of the stick with a Flathead screwdriver and simply unscrew the ball top off and replace it using the same method. If you want to change the entire stick mechanism, that will take more work and I’m certainly not going to help walk anyone through that! Just make sure you don’t lose any screws and close it back up tight if you decide to swap out any buttons or the stick.
RANK TEKKEN 5: DARK RESURRECTION VIRTUA FIGHTER 5
#1 Hori Real Arcade Pro 3 Virtua Stick High Grade
#2 Hori Fighting Stick 3 Hori Real Arcade Pro 3
#3 Virtua Stick High Grade Hori Fighting Stick 3

This chart above shows how well each PS3 arcade stick works with the two major PS3 fighting games. The input issue with the VSHG really makes it almost unplayable in high level play, thus making the HRAP3 the weapon of choice for T5DR.

The Hori Real Arcade Pro 3 is definitely the best stick out there for Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection. If the VSHG didn’t have any problems I would recommend that, but alas, you know the drill. The stick also works well with Virtua Fighter 5. Unfortunately both the HRAP3 and Fighting Stick 3 do not yet have compatibility with PS2 games, even with the 1.70 firmware update. Hopefully this will be fixed in the future! The HRAP3 however does work on PC emulators, including MAME, just make sure the you hit the PS/Home button to enable the stick! Unfortunately the HRAP3 is not widely available in US retail stores as of now, so you’ll have to either import it or purchase it off High-Score’s online shop. You can always buy it today at Play-Asia as well!

[sir_arthur]

Here you go man.

thanks a lot man :tup:
so is really going to be a HRAP3 SA later this year or are just speculations??

[tau_xxx]

Very nice review, but you written 2 ambigous frases:

"Unfortunately both the HRAP3 and Fighting Stick 3 do not yet have compatibility with PS2 games, even with the 1.70 firmware update"

and "UPDATE: Thanks to the newest firmware update for the PS3 (1.70), the Hori Real Arcade Pro 3 now works with PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games!"

So, after 1.70 (now we have 2.35) the stick will work with all PS2 games?
I am glad that it works on PC, that is wonderful!

[MarkMan]

Sorry that was a error on my part. I edited my initial review page. ;)

[centennial]

Wait so it does work with PS2 games on the PS3 right?

[tau_xxx]

I don't understand that either.
Dvd's with PS2 games(played on the PS3 60gb or 80gb versions), or PS2 games bought from PSN?

Or maybe both? :D

[MarkMan]

It works with PS2 games last I checked lol.

[GTDudley]

I just got my HRAPS3 in from NCSXshop today (service was excellent) and I have to say that this stick is killer.

Thanks for the help guys. I think I'm gonna stick with an arcade joystick for now on in my fighters.

[tau_xxx]

Congrats GTDudley, mine will arrive today or tomorrow, I am not sure what button color should I buy (Sanwa buttons).I will post pictures, also. :p

[EvilSamurai]

Congrats GTDudley, mine will arrive today or tomorrow, I am not sure what button color should I buy (Sanwa buttons).I will post pictures, also. :p

The balltop of the stick is vermilion so if I were you I would buy:

6 x 30mm snap-in (screw-ins will not fit) Sanwa buttons in vermilion or black bezel/grey plunger. If you decide to get snap-in (unlike Sanwa, screw-in Seimitsu buttons will fit but you will have to sand down the mounting nut vertically for the X/LK/short button) Seimitsu buttons instead, you should get black ones as their shades of red will not match the Sanwa balltop.

2 x 30mm Sanwa or Seimitsu button plugs for L1 and L2. Just buy whichever one is cheaper or available from the store you order the parts from.

2 x any 24mm Sanwa/Seimitsu you want. I would prefer black, vermilion, or yellow buttons. Sanwa does not make black 24mm buttons so if you want black, you need to go Seimitsu. If you want vermilion, go with Sanwa so that the color will match the balltop.

PS- When you mod it, you can get buy without using a 7mm nut screwdriver. Just do the intial turns with a pair of needlenose pliers and do the rest by with your fingers. Also, when you put the control panel back on, tighten the nuts solely with your fingers so you don't accidently enlarge the holes in the plastic.

[mr. newbie]

i have a japanese and a us tekken stick. some buttons on both don't work. will happ buttons fit?

[tau_xxx]

Ok, so my HRAP3 arrived yesterday, total cost was 180$ (90$ shipping to Romania).
Thank you EvilSamurai for the complete answer, I didn't expect that.Nice.:lovin:

After reading your post and this forum, I think I will go with this:
- 6 x Sanwa OBSF-30 vermillon
- 2 x Sanwa OBSF-24 yellow
- 2 x button plugs (or button fillers), I don't know what are their exact names.

I have problems doing circle fireballs (in SF for example), so maybe the octogonal restrictor can be useful, but after some documentation, it seem that the square restrictor is better and I will try to get used to it.

Although I read all the topics related to its compatibility to PC, I cannot make it work on MAME.In control panel everything is ok (my PC saw it) but in MAME when I try to assign the controls, it won't work, nothing happens when I push the buttons.Maybe more research will tell me the answer. :)

10x again.:wink:

[VR-Fist]

Ok, so my HRAP3 arrived yesterday, total cost was 180$ (90$ shipping to Romania).
Thank you EvilSamurai for the complete answer, I didn't expect that.Nice.:lovin:

After reading your post and this forum, I think I will go with this:
- 6 x Sanwa OBSF-30 vermillon
- 2 x Sanwa OBSF-24 yellow
- 2 x button plugs (or button fillers), I don't know what are their exact names.

I have problems doing circle fireballs (in SF for example), so maybe the octogonal restrictor can be useful, but after some documentation, it seem that the square restrictor is better and I will try to get used to it.

Although I read all the topics related to its compatibility to PC, I cannot make it work on MAME.In control panel everything is ok (my PC saw it) but in MAME when I try to assign the controls, it won't work, nothing happens when I push the buttons.Maybe more research will tell me the answer. :)

10x again.:wink:

Wow, what an insane price. We had the same shit happening while receiving the sticks from Play-Asia to Czech Republic.

To your problem, I think you will get used to it as I did. I also had square restrictor and it's fine, just give it a time.

[tau_xxx]

Yes VR-Fist, I know..the shipping was very expensive.I could buy the FS3 from UK for like 100$.But I preffered to buy a very good stick because I will not change it very soon.
Regards! ;)

[STI]

I tried mine with MAME but it wasn't that great, it feels stupid it has nothing to do with arcade or anything at all it just works automatically when plugged in with Mac OS X but it should work with Windows XP too.

The best thing to use this stick for will be to PS3 with Virtua Fighter 5 & not mame!

Did anyone tried it with CPS-3 emulator? does it feel O.K?

[tau_xxx]

Yes, I know, the stick is designed for 3d fighters, not 2d.But I would like to play smth with planes and helicopters with it, smth old school. :D
I will try it with xpadder tonight, maybe it will work.

[opips2]

Yes, I know, the stick is designed for 3d fighters, not 2d.But I would like to play smth with planes and helicopters with it, smth old school. :D
I will try it with xpadder tonight, maybe it will work.

What you talk about not 2D? BS!

The stick is designed for all fighter games. HRAP IS ARCADE PRO from JAPAN!

X-ARCADE IS JOKE! THIS IS USA ARCADE! X-ARCADE IS JOKE!

[deadfrog]

i have a japanese and a us tekken stick. some buttons on both don't work. will happ buttons fit?

I thiiiink they would fit but they'd be a little loose. You'll be 100 times happier replacing them with Sanwa ones. This will require soldering, which is actually very easy and fun.

[Tetsuosan]

What you talk about not 2D? BS!

The stick is designed for all fighter games. HRAP IS ARCADE PRO from JAPAN!

X-ARCADE IS JOKE! THIS IS USA ARCADE! X-ARCADE IS JOKE!

I am sooo putting that on my sig. Opips your are great!!!!!!!

[GTDudley]

I've gotten used to the square gate pretty quickly and I'm really enjoying it. I use nFBA and GGPO, so those emu's read my HRAPS3 right off the bat (nFBA is much better than mame IMO).

I feel like I'm in the arcade every time I play my emu's. I never knew how playing on a controller could really ware the fun out of playing fighters after a short period of time.

I believe I'll order 6 vermillion OBSF 30's myself pretty soon (I don't think paying for new start and select buttons will be that useful lol).

[AdverseSolutions]

Hi folks,

I just bought a Hori fighting stick 3 for my PS3 but am realizing that it's not quite good enough for what I need. I'm playing a lot of precision shooters like Dodonpachi and stuff, and I need the same kind of joystick that are used on PCB vertical shooter cabs. Specifically, I'm pretty sure I need a joy-stick that doesn't click, because this is what is messing my accuracy in some of these games.

So, does the HRAP click? Or is it smooth? If it doesn't click and it's equivalent to what PCB cabs have, I'll pick one up immediately.

[tau_xxx]

What you talk about not 2D? BS!

The stick is designed for all fighter games. HRAP IS ARCADE PRO from JAPAN!

X-ARCADE IS JOKE! THIS IS USA ARCADE! X-ARCADE IS JOKE!

I was talking about the restrictors man, I cannot believe that a Street FIghter player will preffer the square restrictor over the octagonal or circle one.

I didn't say anything about the X-Arcade, I know it's crap.:)

@Adverse, the HRAP clicks.Maybe a HAPP joystick can help you or maybe a PS3 controller.

[EvilSamurai]

Hi folks,

I just bought a Hori fighting stick 3 for my PS3 but am realizing that it's not quite good enough for what I need. I'm playing a lot of precision shooters like Dodonpachi and stuff, and I need the same kind of joystick that are used on PCB vertical shooter cabs. Specifically, I'm pretty sure I need a joy-stick that doesn't click, because this is what is messing my accuracy in some of these games.

So, does the HRAP click? Or is it smooth? If it doesn't click and it's equivalent to what PCB cabs have, I'll pick one up immediately.

All joysticks except the Sanwa Flash and Perfect 360 click as they use optical sensors instead of the usual microswitches. The HRAP3 is the best PS3 stick but the joystick that is used in most shmup cabs, the Seimitsu LS-32(-01), will not fit as the mounting bracket that is welded onto the HRAP3 control panel will not take s-shaped mounting plates which means that any joystick that is mounted directly below the control panel (no gap of about 7-9mm between the start of the shaft and the control panel surface like the JLF has.) is incompatible with the HRAP3. The Seimitsu LS-32, LS-33, LS-40, and some Sanwa JLW variants are the ones mounted directly below the cp. The Sanwa JLF (and some JLW variants), Seimitsu LS-55, and LS-56 are the joysticks with the gap between the control panel and the start of the shaft. The HRAP1 w/mirror top and the HRAP2 are the only HRAP sticks compatible with the LS-32, ybe), and 40. You can however install the longer Seimitsu sticks (LS-55 and LS-56. Get the -01 version. The -01 suffix on Seimitsu joysticks mean that it uses a JLF-compatible 5-pin cable instead of connecting the wires directly to the microswitch) into your HRAP3. Of these, I recommend the LS-56-01 as the LS-55 has a long throw and you will want a stick that is compatible with the 5-pin cable that the stock JLF in the HRAP3 uses. You may need to buy an additional mounting plate to install the LS-56-01 though. Finally, it is highly recommended that you swap the hori knockoff buttons in the HRAP3 for Sanwa ones.

PS- If you don't want to buy another stick, it is possible to mod the Fighting Stick 3. The Seimitsu LS-33 is the smallest Japanese joystick available so it is probably the easiest to install in the FS3. You can install other sticks such as the aforementioned LS-32 in it but they require more modification. For buttons, just use any Sanwa/Seimitsu 30mm button you want (Sanwas are recommended).

[mr. newbie]

I thiiiink they would fit but they'd be a little loose. You'll be 100 times happier replacing them with Sanwa ones. This will require soldering, which is actually very easy and fun.

theres a happ store 15 minutes away. i'd save some money going that route (no shipping or waiting). and i do like their buttons. i'd like to avoid soldering if possible.

[EvilSamurai]

theres a happ store 15 minutes away. i'd save some money going that route (no shipping or waiting). and i do like their buttons. i'd like to avoid soldering if possible.

Sorry dude but you will have to solder unless the stick has already been modded. Also, Happ buttons won't as the holes are 30mm and Happ buttons need 1 1/4 inch holes (I think)

[AdverseSolutions]

All joysticks except the Sanwa Flash and Perfect 360 click as they use optical sensors instead of the usual microswitches. The HRAP3 is the best PS3 stick but the joystick that is used in most shmup cabs, the Seimitsu LS-32(-01), will not fit as the mounting bracket that is welded onto the HRAP3 control panel will not take s-shaped mounting plates which means that any joystick that is mounted directly below the control panel (no gap of about 7-9mm between the start of the shaft and the control panel surface like the JLF has.) is incompatible with the HRAP3. The Seimitsu LS-32, LS-33, LS-40, and some Sanwa JLW variants are the ones mounted directly below the cp. The Sanwa JLF (and some JLW variants), Seimitsu LS-55, and LS-56 are the joysticks with the gap between the control panel and the start of the shaft. The HRAP1 w/mirror top and the HRAP2 are the only HRAP sticks compatible with the LS-32, ybe), and 40. You can however install the longer Seimitsu sticks (LS-55 and LS-56. Get the -01 version. The -01 suffix on Seimitsu joysticks mean that it uses a JLF-compatible 5-pin cable instead of connecting the wires directly to the microswitch) into your HRAP3. Of these, I recommend the LS-56-01 as the LS-55 has a long throw and you will want a stick that is compatible with the 5-pin cable that the stock JLF in the HRAP3 uses. You may need to buy an additional mounting plate to install the LS-56-01 though. Finally, it is highly recommended that you swap the hori knockoff buttons in the HRAP3 for Sanwa ones.

PS- If you don't want to buy another stick, it is possible to mod the Fighting Stick 3. The Seimitsu LS-33 is the smallest Japanese joystick available so it is probably the easiest to install in the FS3. You can install other sticks such as the aforementioned LS-32 in it but they require more modification. For buttons, just use any Sanwa/Seimitsu 30mm button you want (Sanwas are recommended).

ES, thanks a lot for this, just great info! I'm gonna look into where I can get these parts in Japan.

So does the LS-56-01 click or not? Or is this ultimately irrelevant since it's a really quality joystick?

[EvilSamurai]

ES, thanks a lot for this, just great info! I'm gonna look into where I can get these parts in Japan.

So does the LS-56-01 click or not? Or is this ultimately irrelevant since it's a really quality joystick?

It clicks but the clicking is irrelevant. The stick in the shmup cabs you play on in the arcade probably clicks and you just don't notice it due to the background noise.

[AdverseSolutions]

Last question, ES, any recs for buttons for shmups? Or can I just go with the default HRAP ones?

[EvilSamurai]

Last question, ES, any recs for buttons for shmups? Or can I just go with the default HRAP ones?

You will want 6 30mm Sanwas and be sure to get snap-ins else you will have to vertically sand down the mounting nut for the X/short/LK button. If you want to, you can spring for the RGs that will last 5 times as long for about twice the price. Be sure to get two button plugs to plug up L1 and L2 while your at it. It doesn't really matter what brand of button plug. Just get Sanwa or Seimitsu ones based on which ones feel better, the store has in stock, or are cheaper. For start and select, just pick any 24mm Sanwa or Seimitsu buttons that fit your overall color scheme.

[TingBoy]

I was talking about the restrictors man, I cannot believe that a Street FIghter player will preffer the square restrictor over the octagonal or circle one.

I didn't say anything about the X-Arcade, I know it's crap.:)

@Adverse, the HRAP clicks.Maybe a HAPP joystick can help you or maybe a PS3 controller.

All Japanese cabs (especially fighters) use square restrictors. There are only a handful that use octagonal/circular and those are usually for shmups and other games. I really prefer the square restrictor over circular. Helps with finding corners.

[ant one]

A question for hrap 3 owners: Are the buttons hooked up with quick disconnects as well?
Thanks.

[RushedDown]

A question for hrap 3 owners: Are the buttons hooked up with quick disconnects as well?
Thanks.

yes they are

[STI]

I believe I'll order 6 vermillion OBSF 30's myself pretty soon (I don't think paying for new start and select buttons will be that useful lol).

Why don't you try Seimitsu's PS-14-D-N(クリーン) Buttons? i think they are the best for start and select.

[will976]

is sanwa or seimitsu mostly used in japan ? specicialy 2d fighters

[Fulaani]

Yes, I know, the stick is designed for 3d fighters, not 2d.who told you that? pretty much all the japs play2d fighters on sanwa or seimitsu sticks (with square restrictors)

[STI]

^ Tekken 5, dark resurrection, virtua fighter 5 and some 2D fighting games (some of arc system works games) use Sanwa JLF and buttons.

Almost all shumps, capcom and snk's old school fighting games along with virtua fighter 4 (on some cabinets) use variations of Seimitsu sticks and buttons.

[Fin.K.M]

Last question, ES, any recs for buttons for shmups? Or can I just go with the default HRAP ones?
The difference between Sanwas and the stock Hori buttons is really noticeable. Sanwas are really sensitive and they feel much nicer/springier. The high sensitivity and springiness are very nice for games that require constant tapping like Mushihime-sama. I suppose it doesn't matter if you just hold the buttons down, though.

[EvilSamurai]

^ Tekken 5, dark resurrection, virtua fighter 5 and some 2D fighting games (some of arc system works games) use Sanwa JLF and buttons.

Almost all shumps, capcom and snk's old school fighting games along with virtua fighter 4 (on some cabinets) use variations of Seimitsu sticks and buttons.

Almost all Japanese cabinets use Sanwa buttons. Some may use Seimitsu sticks but usually with Sanwa buttons.

[Dasiatic]

alright, so i just got off the phone with this store that claims to have the HRAP3 for the PS3. but the thing is, the guy who I was speaking with told me that his store has 2 versions; a smaller one for $60, and a bigger one for $135.

being the cheap guy that I am, I'm going for the smaller, $60 one. but i have never seen this one before. I tried googling for it, and all I see is the same red and black HRAP.

anyway, what im basically asking is about the HRAP3's compatibility with my PS2, and DC. I read the first post where the OP said that the orignal HRAP was compatible with converters, but I didnt see any info like that for the HRAP3.

I'm at work right now, so somebody just link me to the post where it says whether or not HRAP3 is compatible for DC and PS2, and which converters(no lag, of course).

now backtracking to my phone conversation with the store's seller, what is it with these different sizes im hearing of? if there really is a smaller version of the HRAP3, can that one also use a converter to play on the DC and PS2?

I know how 'hands on' these HRAP sticks are, so im trying to run over to the store asap tommorrow and just pick it up. but i really want to know more about what im in for beforehand.

[sir_arthur]

they must be refering to the Hori Fighting Stick 3 for the smaller version of a HRAP, this is not tha same as the HRAP, the HFS uses all Hori buttons and stick, while HRAP uses Sanwa JLF for stick and hori buttons, as for the HRAP3 being compatible with PS2 and DC it is not, HRAP1 or 2 are compatible due they have the normal PS hooker, while the HRAP3 uses USB that onle PS3 and PC recognize, hope that helps.

[Dasiatic]

alright. thanks for your time. you just saved me a headache and some money.
argh, this is bullshit. why are HRAPs soo hard to find?

I'm thinking about settling for this HFS:
http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/1/AGS/AGS-large/fightingstick.htm

it says it compatible for PC, DC, PS, and so forth.
so which is better in your opinion? HRAP or HFS? I want to make sure that there isnt any performance differences between the two, such as one stick being more sturdy and harder to control than the other.

anyone with any experience with a HFS? is there any lag when you convert them for different consoles?

[EvilSamurai]

alright. thanks for your time. you just saved me a headache and some money.
argh, this is bullshit. why are HRAPs soo hard to find?

I'm thinking about settling for this HFS:
http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/1/AGS/AGS-large/fightingstick.htm

it says it compatible for PC, DC, PS, and so forth.
so which is better in your opinion? HRAP or HFS? I want to make sure that there isnt any performance differences between the two, such as one stick being more sturdy and harder to control than the other.

anyone with any experience with a HFS? is there any lag when you convert them for different consoles?

Hori Fighting Sticks suck compared to the Real Arcade Pro line.

Akihabarashop.jp can get you a HRAP for PS2 but they may have sold out of the HRAP2:SA and you will have to wait a month or two for the HRAP1 amazon versions they will stock. If you preorder you will also get 10% off all the items in the store so you can get a discount on the Sanwa buttons and button plugs for L1/L2.

[Nashville_Ninja]

Dasiatic, save your money for the REAL ARCADE PRO 3! Don't even think about the HFS, NO don't think about it!!!

[STI]

HRAP3 will cost you more than HFS and then it will cost you to mod the stick with sanwa buttons. i get my HRAP3 for only 90$ from a nearby store in my town but then it costs me again just to mod the buttons.

The stock Hori buttons in HRAP3 are the worst! & maybe the buttons in HFS are slightly better with a worthless Hori Joystick, that is much more worse than sanwa jlf-tp-8y-sk,

If it is your first stick and you are not going to mod it then HFS is not bad for the price.

[Dasiatic]

my knowledge on arcade sticks is next to nothing, so i dont know what modding my stick would do for me.

right now, im just looking for a HRAP that can flawlessly convert to different consoles.

The HRAP3 is officially scratched off my list as of now. according to you guys, it cant convert. it doesnt really matter how bad the stock buttons are at this point. if it doesnt convert, its an automatic elimination.

so which ones can convert with no problems again? HRAP2? which ever it is, im looking at that right now.

the only big problem for me now is finding a HRAP.

thanks again for the help you guys.
how did you guys find your fucking HRAPs anyway? they seem so rare.

oh yeah, and another thing. on the arcade pad, the actual arcade stick that you use to move around, are the HRAP sticks flexible?
I mean, most arcades i remember going to, thier arcade sticks are big and clunky. way too hard to move around. it takes alot of effort just to do a single QCF on that thing. I hope the HRAPs arent like that.

[sir_arthur]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=154744 well here is one, fully modded, no need to add anything, ready to use and will last you forever, i have had mine for more than a year with stock parts and i have ever opened due to problems, ill open it when my buttons arrive to modd it with sanwa buttons :tup:

[Dasiatic]

wait. by the way you're presenting it, it kinda looks like you're selling that to me. lol.

anyway, thanks for the time out. say, what does Sanwa buttons do? and for the HRAP you have, is the stick fluid, and easy to control? i cant stand big and clunky sticks thats hard to move with.

[Indy]

Sanwa is a popular brand of arcade parts. See this thread (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=118289) and it should answer most of your questions. As for the stick itself, its nice and loose and requires little effort in moving it.

[STI]

Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK is the ultimate stick in the universe nothing can come close to it, and the same goes for Sanwa OBSF-30 buttons!

Sanwa is second to none!

[Indy]

I agree for the buttons but don't count out the LS-32-01. That and the JLF are my absolute favs.

[STI]

Sorry but i tried LS-32-01 already and it was a huge disappointment and i can't get used to it at all. It needs strong arm with faster and more precise response from the player, and there is a huge gape for mistakes.

No one will know how great SANWA sticks and buttons can be unless he already tried SEIMITSU sticks and buttons!

[Kayin]

It's a matter of opinion really.

I personally love the LS-32.

[NourokaiZord]

Good information as I'm looking for a good stick to work with my copy of Vampire Hunter, and SFA3.
and just to add this one out there, I find that doing 360s is impossible on a standard PS2 controller. so im trying out the Hori instead.

[TingBoy]

It's a matter of opinion really.

I personally love the LS-32.

Agreed. I've used both and I personally love the LS-32. I just love the smaller deadspace and the more "square" feeling.

[Canto]

wait. by the way you're presenting it, it kinda looks like you're selling that to me. lol.

anyway, thanks for the time out. say, what does Sanwa buttons do? and for the HRAP you have, is the stick fluid, and easy to control? i cant stand big and clunky sticks thats hard to move with.

There is a stick in the trading outlet that allows you to play PS2 and DC. Get it fast.. it's fully modded with sanwa stick and buttons and very cheap.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=156644

Sanwa buttons have more action, which means they take a longer time to depress fully, but the buttons are VERY sensetive. If you put your finger ever so slighly on the button it will respond.
The Sanwa JLF is also very sensetive and smooth to move around. The "clunky" sticks you are thinking of are probably american bat styled sticks. They have a harder feel to them.

[Tetsuosan]

Agreed. I've used both and I personally love the LS-32. I just love the smaller deadspace and the more "square" feeling.

I have two HRAPs one JLF with OBSF buttons and the other LS-32 with OBSF buttons.

I go through phases. Sometimes I like the JLF and other times I prefer the LS-32 lol. I don't know I'm weird like that lol

[Yeton]

I go through phases. Sometimes I like the JLF and other times I prefer the LS-32 lol. I don't know I'm weird like that lol

I'm same as you, I rate them about equal. If I was forced to make a choice though, I think I would go for LS-32.

[TheRealNeoGeo]

I love a JLF-TP-8Y-SK with a extra LS-33 spring in it for that "little" extra stiffness.
But who cares who says what is best, you play with what makes you the best you can be and that´s what it´s all about.

[STI]

Perhaps my LS-32-02 is old as hell so i can't say for sure after all those long years!

There is no way for JLF to compete against LS-32 in SFII (reality). In SFIII it is just a matter of preference and i can't say for sure which stick is better.

Now for the buttons, if you are a strong and like to push rapidly hard and punish the buttons then PS-14-G is for you & if you are a gentleman or a girl who likes to play with precision & technique then OBSF-30 should be your button of choice.

Eventually one has got to experiment with all joysticks and buttons to find his favorite joysticks and buttons for the rest of his life and set the records once & for all!

[Takahashi0]

You should indeed play with all types of joy sticks and buttons.
In the end it is about your preference.

I like the Seimitsu PS-14-G better then the Sanwa OBSF-30,
because of the tactile feedback it gives me.
I find the Sanwa OBSF-30 too good as in too responsive for me.
I even take Crown CWB 203 over the Sanwa OBSF-30.

The joy stick I prefer for shoot 'm ups is the Seimitsu LS-33,
mainly because it has a loose spring and is short.
More preferences I have that are in contrast with most people is:
that I like bat tops.

So I end up with this:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2087/2515810821_63511b09e0.jpg
I still need to paint those dip switches some day.
Bat and buttons are red and I use L1 and L2 damn it.

[MarkMan]

Play-Asia has really limited stock of the HRAP2 SA for those of you that missed the preorders at Akihabara Shop...

http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-fku-71-e-49-en-84-j-70-2nut.html

$189 tho.

Probably last chance to get one.

[EvilSamurai]

You should indeed play with all types of joy sticks and buttons.
In the end it is about your preference.

I like the Seimitsu PS-14-G better then the Sanwa OSBF-30,
because of the tactile feedback it gives me.
I find the Sanwa OSBF-30 too good as in too responsive for me.
I even take Crown CWB 203 over the Sanwa OSBF-30.

The joy stick I prefer for shoot 'm ups is the Seimitsu LS-33,
mainly because it has a loose spring and is short.
More preferences I have that are in contrast with most people is:
that I like bat tops.

So I end up with this:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2087/2515810821_63511b09e0.jpg
I still need to paint those dip switches some day.
Bat and buttons are red and I use L1 and L2 damn it.

So does the LS33 fit in the HRAP2 with little modification?

[Takahashi0]

So does the LS33 fit in the HRAP2 with little modification?

You could solder wires to the switch terminals and connect that to the JLF-H.
I did the following:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2343/2515897629_271f1c0f73_m.jpg
Seimitsu LS-33 to LS-33-01 conversion kit.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2014/2515897747_76aba5b400_m.jpg
The joy stick mounting plate screwed directly on the mounting plate on the panel.

[impact24]

As long as we're talking about JLFs/LS-32s....

It's been a while since I asked this, but I was wondering if any of you guys here actually feel the shorter engage of the LS-32 over the JLF. I've posted before on Paik's thread my experiences with both, and for fighting games I just can't feel the shorter engage of the LS-32.

I've gone as far as alternatively doing the same moves and combos for both sticks. As in, I do a move on one controller, and try it on the other controller the same way. The only difference I really do feel is the stiffness. Otherwise, the "distance" my hand moves the stick from neutral are the same for both.

As for my preferences, I prefer LS-32 for shmups and JLFs for fighters (2d and 3d). Square gates for both.

[AdverseSolutions]

hey folks i'm trying to install my seimitsu in my hrap 3 right now and i'm having hte problem that only two directions are detected on the stick. don't think i traumatized any of the wires, they look fine. i did have to solder off some glue to get the five-pin off the first time. not sure what's causing this, any ideas?

edit: fixed it, seems that i connected the five pin upside down

[mr. newbie]

thanks for the help with my earlier question. if it can't be avoided, i'll just solder in some new buttons sometime.

[EvilSamurai]

hey folks i'm trying to install my seimitsu in my hrap 3 right now and i'm having hte problem that only two directions are detected on the stick. don't think i traumatized any of the wires, they look fine. i did have to solder off some glue to get the five-pin off the first time. not sure what's causing this, any ideas?

edit: fixed it, seems that i connected the five pin upside down

Yeah I forgot to mention that you will have to pick off some glue and flip the cable. How do you find the LS-56 for shmups and may you please post a picture of the interior? I want to see how the stock mounting plate of the LS-56 fits into the mounting bracket that is welded to the control panel.

[AdverseSolutions]

EvilSamurai thanks for your help man but this Seimitsu was not what I was looking for. I dunno if you manage to use this stick for Shmups but it is nowhere near exact enough for a game like Dodonpachi or Mushihimesama. I've tested it over and over again over the past couple of days and it simply jumps too much. This would be a fine stick for fighters but it is again the clicking aspects of these sticks that makes you miss in important places. I went back and tried some of the PCB cab sticks in my local arcades and they are basically smooth 360 degrees, if there is a click you do not feel one. I asked the arcade operator what brand sticks they are and he said Sanwa, so I'm going to try to get a Sanwa like those.

[Eclipsing Binary]

Are you sure it's the actual clicking sound that's giving you trouble, not the restrictor shape? All Sanwa sticks except the Flash (which has been out of production for a long time and is now extremely expensive) click. All Seimitsu sticks click too.

From the way you worded your post, it sounds like it's the default square restrictor that's messing you up because again, all sticks click except optical ones (as someone said previously, you probably just don't hear it in the arcade setting, or maybe those microswitches are just extremely worn out).

[AdverseSolutions]

Are you sure it's the actual clicking sound that's giving you trouble, not the restrictor shape? All Sanwa sticks except the Flash (which has been out of production for a long time and is now extremely expensive) click. All Seimitsu sticks click too.

From the way you worded your post, it sounds like it's the default square restrictor that's messing you up because again, all sticks click except optical ones (as someone said previously, you probably just don't hear it in the arcade setting, or maybe those microswitches are just extremely worn out).

I'll go to the arcade and find out exactly what sticks they're using there (it's a cool, gamer's style arcade) and report back. The problem could be the restrictor shape.

Basically what happens is that if I'm moving my ship around quite a bit I have a decent amount of accuracy because the stick sort of flies back and forth across the restrictor, however if joystick movement is stopped and I need to move through a really thin space, I will die for sure because the ship jumps too far. So I wind up bombing or dying on bosses that I could normally defeat in the arcade. On average I can only make it to the boss of the second level for the Cave shooters I own at home whereas in the arcades I can usually make it to the 4th midboss or so on a single credit.

You know it may be the case that the microswitches are worn out in the arcade. The operator I talked to told me that it may just be a matter of 'breaking in' my Seimitsu...but I can't imagine it changing much from how it feels now.

[ant one]

I don't know if this old news, or useful to anyone, but here goes. The Hrap3 is useable straight out of the box with osx and mame.
It works well, with no noticeable lag, as of yet.
Now I just have to mod it to get sanwa buttons in there.

[EvilSamurai]

I'll go to the arcade and find out exactly what sticks they're using there (it's a cool, gamer's style arcade) and report back. The problem could be the restrictor shape.

Basically what happens is that if I'm moving my ship around quite a bit I have a decent amount of accuracy because the stick sort of flies back and forth across the restrictor, however if joystick movement is stopped and I need to move through a really thin space, I will die for sure because the ship jumps too far. So I wind up bombing or dying on bosses that I could normally defeat in the arcade. On average I can only make it to the boss of the second level for the Cave shooters I own at home whereas in the arcades I can usually make it to the 4th midboss or so on a single credit.

You know it may be the case that the microswitches are worn out in the arcade. The operator I talked to told me that it may just be a matter of 'breaking in' my Seimitsu...but I can't imagine it changing much from how it feels now.

Maybe your arcade uses Sanwa JLW sticks with circular gates in its shmup cabs. The circular gates have a long throw though so probably not.

Sorry if the LS-56 wasn't the stick you were looking for but almost anything is better than the Hori Fighting Stick 3 and the default JLF in the HRAP3 is horrible for shmups. If you want, you can get an octagonal gate (http://akihabarashop.jp/developments/imagemagic.php?img=images/LS-335556Octagonal&w=120&h=119&page=) for the LS-56 that actually has a lesser throw (according to Jumpsuit Jesse) than the square gate which is completely the opposite of JLF's octagonal gate.

[9TNine]

What are the overall opinions on Hrap 3's? Good? With PS3 fighters coming up, I may invest in a couple, but I'm not sure if I should wait to see if another hori stick model shows up (preferably with the HRAP 1 layout, if there's a god).

-9

[Indy]

Out of the box the stock buttons really hold it back. Once its modded, which is really easy btw, its good stuff. If you like the HRAP1 layout you could swap out the panels.

On a side note, is it possible to put an LS-32-01 in the HRAP3?

[EvilSamurai]

Out of the box the stock buttons really hold it back. Once its modded, which is really easy btw, its good stuff. If you like the HRAP1 layout you could swap out the panels.

On a side note, is it possible to put an LS-32-01 in the HRAP3?

nope. The only Seimitsu sticks you can put in are the LS-55 and LS-56.

[Imitrex]

Personally, if I had to choose a stick to play upcoming fighters on, the HRAP 3 would be the last choice I would go with. Well, minus the EX3.

Why?
- Cheap top panel overlay makes it feel inferior to its predecessors. The feel of the top panel was just awful. Random bubbles throughout the fake carbon fiber vinyl.
- No LS-32-01 modability.

A HRAP 2 with a converter has more options, and feels a lot better. Not to mention, a HRAP 2:SA is simply amazing if you go that route.
A VSHG and it's quality are astounding, and with SFHD moving 3 simultaneous button presses, down to two, the input issue will not be a problem any more

9TNine, if you want the HRAP 1 layout, pre-order the new HRAP 1's coming out in July from TheRealNeoGeo. Not sure you could go wrong with that stick. Looks incredible, especially for the price.
http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/arcade-sticks/hori-real-arcade-pro-amazon-jp-ps2/

[maxx mana]

For anyone who's interested, looks like NCSX is going to restock HRAP3 and they're going to try stock the HRAP2:SA too, albeit for $195 before shipping! :/

[kudo]

Hi.
Any body knows what is the "plastic" (that reflects) that covers the hori stick "artwork" in the top of the stick?

[Snatcher]

My T5 Hori's R1 button is kind of squeaky, it still works fine, but is it a sign of a bigger problem?

[AdverseSolutions]

Maybe your arcade uses Sanwa JLW sticks with circular gates in its shmup cabs. The circular gates have a long throw though so probably not.

Sorry if the LS-56 wasn't the stick you were looking for but almost anything is better than the Hori Fighting Stick 3 and the default JLF in the HRAP3 is horrible for shmups. If you want, you can get an octagonal gate (http://akihabarashop.jp/developments/imagemagic.php?img=images/LS-335556Octagonal&w=120&h=119&page=) for the LS-56 that actually has a lesser throw (according to Jumpsuit Jesse) than the square gate which is completely the opposite of JLF's octagonal gate.

I went to the arcade yesterday and tried my best to get a model number but the only guy working didn't seem to know. He did open the cab up and show it to me and sure enough you were right, it is a circular gate Sanwa stick. It might have a long throw but again, I've never played on anything more accurate for Shmups, so I'm gonna order one asap. What's a good JLW stick that can be modded into a HRAP3?

Also, randomly this arcade operator I was hanging out with when the new DDP came out just GAVE me 6 Sanwa buttons, but they're the kind with plugs on them, not the two thin ones that you attach wires to. Can you link me to a description of how I would put these in my HRAP3?

[sir_arthur]

I went to the arcade yesterday and tried my best to get a model number but the only guy working didn't seem to know. He did open the cab up and show it to me and sure enough you were right, it is a circular gate Sanwa stick. It might have a long throw but again, I've never played on anything more accurate for Shmups, so I'm gonna order one asap. What's a good JLW stick that can be modded into a HRAP3?

Also, randomly this arcade operator I was hanging out with when the new DDP came out just GAVE me 6 Sanwa buttons, but they're the kind with plugs on them, not the two thin ones that you attach wires to. Can you link me to a description of how I would put these in my HRAP3?

if its for the circular gate, just but it no need to change the JLW for the JLF that already has the stick, even tho if youre interested send me a PM a have one im not using.

[EvilSamurai]

I went to the arcade yesterday and tried my best to get a model number but the only guy working didn't seem to know. He did open the cab up and show it to me and sure enough you were right, it is a circular gate Sanwa stick. It might have a long throw but again, I've never played on anything more accurate for Shmups, so I'm gonna order one asap. What's a good JLW stick that can be modded into a HRAP3?

Also, randomly this arcade operator I was hanging out with when the new DDP came out just GAVE me 6 Sanwa buttons, but they're the kind with plugs on them, not the two thin ones that you attach wires to. Can you link me to a description of how I would put these in my HRAP3?

Did the cab have a balltop or battop? You might not be able to install a JLW into your HRAP3. If not your best bet is the LS-56 square gate. May you post pics of the buttons? From your description they seem strange.

[EvilSamurai]

I went to the arcade yesterday and tried my best to get a model number but the only guy working didn't seem to know. He did open the cab up and show it to me and sure enough you were right, it is a circular gate Sanwa stick. It might have a long throw but again, I've never played on anything more accurate for Shmups, so I'm gonna order one asap. What's a good JLW stick that can be modded into a HRAP3?

Also, randomly this arcade operator I was hanging out with when the new DDP came out just GAVE me 6 Sanwa buttons, but they're the kind with plugs on them, not the two thin ones that you attach wires to. Can you link me to a description of how I would put these in my HRAP3?

Did the cab have a balltop or battop? You might not be able to install a JLW into your HRAP3. If not your best bet is the LS-56 square gate. May you post pics of the buttons? From your description they seem strange.

if its for the circular gate, just but it no need to change the JLW for the JLF that already has the stick, even tho if youre interested send me a PM a have one im not using.

no dude the JLF is a completely different stick from the JLW. JLF w/octagonal gate and JLW w/circular gate feel completely different. The JLF octagonal gate sucks IMO while the JLW circulate gate feels ok

[ulovemikeroch]

I went to the arcade yesterday and tried my best to get a model number but the only guy working didn't seem to know. He did open the cab up and show it to me and sure enough you were right, it is a circular gate Sanwa stick. It might have a long throw but again, I've never played on anything more accurate for Shmups, so I'm gonna order one asap. What's a good JLW stick that can be modded into a HRAP3?

Also, randomly this arcade operator I was hanging out with when the new DDP came out just GAVE me 6 Sanwa buttons, but they're the kind with plugs on them, not the two thin ones that you attach wires to. Can you link me to a description of how I would put these in my HRAP3?
I haven't seen buttons that had female QD ports.

[sir_arthur]

no dude the JLF is a completely different stick from the JLW. JLF w/octagonal gate and JLW w/circular gate feel completely different. The JLF octagonal gate sucks IMO while the JLW circulate gate feels ok

ohh i see, tought they feel the same, good to know :tup:

[MarkMan]

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-e-49-en-70-2nut.html (http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-fku-49-en-84-j-70-2nut.html)

Play-Asia has the Hori Real Arcade Pro 2 SA back in stock, probably going to sell out within the day just like last time!

[Paik4Life]

Haha, if someone in the US is thinking of buying from P-A, buy from Per/Akihabarashop, he still has some. Hell, even I have a brand new on in hand that I'd sell at a price much cheaper than P-A!

~Paik

[DUNE]

sry for the noobish question that is about to follow, but can anyone tell me what the hell the turbo button does on my new HRAP3 does? or on any joystick for that matter (assuming that they all have the same purpse)? i cant seem to figure it out.

[DeepThoughts]

With turbo, you can hold punch and get Blanka electricity for free.

[maxx mana]

Got my HRAP3 in last night. Overall, I love the stick. Like many have said before though, the cheap overlay of the HRAP3 is a bit of a bummer. Right out of the box, there were clear spots on the top near the bolts that where the panel was messing up.

I don't see that as too much of a problem in the long run, as I plan on replacing it with some sort of art/lexxan overlay.

Anyway, here's what I've done so far. All buttons are seimitsu, stick is the stock JLF. One of my favorite parts of this stick is the fact that it silences a lot of the noise from my buttons, much more than my other cases do, so my wife doesn't get mad when I stay up all night mashing out combos.

http://joystickvault.com/data/637/medium/HRAP3-1.JPG

[GTDudley]

Wow that's one pretty HRAPS3. I love the visual flare of seimitsu buttons, but I'm loving the Sanwa buttons I just installed (complements of Lizard Lick lol).

I'm definitely a believer now that Hori buttons are crap.

[Hakero]

this is very nice...

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-01-49-en-70-1o24.html

[tau_xxx]

It seems that I am the only one that doesn't think that the HRAP 3's overlay top panel isn't cheap.Mine looks real nice.

[Indy]

I agree with you but I just have a tendency to remain silent on these types of things. You just have to pair it up with the right colors. The stock red is just plain ugly but I've got mine with green buttons and a bubble top and it looks very nice imo.

[darkhiryuu]

Is any other type of mounting plate needed to fit the Seimitsu LS-56-01 joystick into a HRAP1 ver. B or is the one it comes with fine.

[Superking]

updated the first post with the 360 hrap, have fun guys. :tup:

[will976]

wtf is that thing on the top left on the xbox one ? the headset port ?

[Tetsuosan]

wtf is that thing on the top left on the xbox one ? the headset port ?

Yup it is. Hopefully like I said in the other thread the pcb for the stick won't be like the Arcana Hearts PCB, because that button layout is really weird.

[MarkMan]

Play-Asia has the HRAP3 back in stock, just got the notification.

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-zl-70-1rrr.html (http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-fku-71-zl-84-j-70-1rrr.html)

[Akin]

Hrm, I'm looking into buying the one for the 360, as my Fighting Stick EX2s sucks and I hear they're hard to mod, and I had some questions:

Is this easy to change the button placement to something more logical like
X Y B LT
A Lb Rb RT ?

I'm thinking of putting RG buttons in there. Is it likely to be deep enough to fit the RG microswitches?

[DeepThoughts]

Switching the button layout is as easy as pulling off a few quick disconnects and rearranging them, not sure about RG buttons.

[hadouking]

I have a question.

I have had a HRAP 2 for some time now and I recently purchased a PS3.

I know that the Pelican converter is the best, but I can't find it anywhere, and I found a converter on play asia that might seem to work.

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-zq-49-en-70-2noo-40-1.html#reviews

Anyone have any thoughts on that converter? Or any general help or tips for me?

Thanks

[Tetsuosan]

I would suggest getting a real adapter from mycarryingcase.com. Markman tested the adapter and said there is no lag at all. It's the second best thing to the actual Pelican adapter.

[caleb1883]

Has anyone looked at this HRAP Amazon edition. What's the deal with that?

[MarkMan]

It hasn't been released yet... Should be out mid July.

I'm sure we'll get more information around then. But basically it's an HRAP1 Ver. B and HRAP3 with diff colors/buttons.

[deadend]

if you want the HRAP 1 layout, pre-order the new HRAP 1's coming out in July from TheRealNeoGeo. Not sure you could go wrong with that stick. Looks incredible, especially for the price.
http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/arcade-sticks/hori-real-arcade-pro-amazon-jp-ps2/

Love the HRAP 1 layout very much. Thx for the infor.

[NotANoob81]

Don't exclude the 25,780円 Otomedius Hori Hyper Stick !!
http://www.konamistyle.jp/sp/otome_ct/imgs/pro_img.jpg
http://www.konamistyle.jp/sp/otome_ct/index.html

[Cheesey]

Is that a touch pad on the right?

[Takahashi0]

Don't exclude the 25,780円 Otomedius Hori Hyper Stick !!
http://www.konamistyle.jp/sp/otome_ct/imgs/pro_img.jpg
http://www.konamistyle.jp/sp/otome_ct/index.html

I want that button lay out.

[orka]

Is that a touch pad on the right?

otomedius uses a touch screen system (for bombs, selection screen, etc.), that's what the touch pad is for

while the touch pad won't replicate the experience, it will be closer to playing the arcade version than using other controllers/sticks on console

[KrypticMind]

This thread needs to be stickied.

[DeepThoughts]

It's linked from the essential joystick thread, which is stickied.

[KrypticMind]

Oh, my bad. I totally forgot about that. :sweat:

[NeoChaosX]

Does anyone know how easily you can replace the buttons on a Japanese Tekken 5 HRAP (not the crappy US stick)? Found a great deal on one but I have no idea how hard it is to replace the buttons. I have some experience with soldering, so if it's nothing more than that, I'll be happy.

[TingBoy]

Does anyone know how easily you can replace the buttons on a Japanese Tekken 5 HRAP (not the crappy US stick)? Found a great deal on one but I have no idea how hard it is to replace the buttons. I have some experience with soldering, so if it's nothing more than that, I'll be happy.

I've never seen the insides of a JPN T5 stick, but it can't be any harder than the US T5 stick. Just prepare yourself as if you were going to mod a US T5
soldering iron
copper braid/solder sucker
file/dremel for grinding down tabs
22 gauge wire
solder
.110 quick disconnects (not necessary, but recommended for easy replacement of parts in the future)
crimper for quick disconnects

[Atrowurst]

Anyone know where I can find a HRAP 3 layout/template?
I've been searching forever, but couldn't come up with a version 3 layout, jsut HRAP 1/2

[TingBoy]

Anyone know where I can find a HRAP 3 layout/template?
I've been searching forever, but couldn't come up with a version 3 layout, jsut HRAP 1/2

HRAP3 layout should be the same as HRAP2.

[Atrowurst]

thank you very much

[king of heart]

hi i was thinking

Should i buy a HRAP 2 and install my usb pad pcb to use it with the PC/PS3

or Should i wait for Play Asia to restock the HRAP3 and install a PS1 pcb

[Tricky AB]

I am looking to FINALLY mod my HRAP3 stick with new buttons and a joystick ball top. I've been poking around the Akihabarashop and I don't know what buttons to buy. I'm looking to get something clear so can I use the PS-14-K buttons or should I be using the PS-14-K-N?

I just wanted to clear this up before I place my order...

Thanks in advance...

[TingBoy]

I am looking to FINALLY mod my HRAP3 stick with new buttons and a joystick ball top. I've been poking around the Akihabarashop and I don't know what buttons to buy. I'm looking to get something clear so can I use the PS-14-K buttons or should I be using the PS-14-K-N?

I just wanted to clear this up before I place my order...

Thanks in advance...

Well, PS-14-Ks are discontinued, so good luck on getting the color you want. Might be safer to get PS-14-KNs, but if Per can find the color of PS-14-Ks that you want, go for it.

[DeepThoughts]

hi i was thinking

Should i buy a HRAP 2 and install my usb pad pcb to use it with the PC/PS3

or Should i wait for Play Asia to restock the HRAP3 and install a PS1 pcb

I'm assuming you're talking about having two pcbs in the case, and I recommend hrap3 w/ third party ps1 pcb---should be cheaper than hrap2 w/ ps3 pad pcb.

[maxx mana]

NCSX has the HRAP1:AV in stock, just an FYI:

http://www.ncsxshop.com/cgi-bin/shop/22324.html

[Augmint]

Does anyone know what style buttons they are?

EDIT - found the thread
stock HRAP buttons :(

[Pieguy]

NCSX has the HRAP1:AV in stock, just an FYI:

http://www.ncsxshop.com/cgi-bin/shop/22324.html

Are those obsf 30's and a jlf-tp-8y-sk? So like HRAP SA/SE?

[maxx mana]

I'm pretty sure they're just orange/vermillion hori buttons, there's a trading post thread with more info on this particular stick and the HRAP3:AV as well.

[Riot Guard]

The t5 mod one needs to be updated, no pics. I'm trying to mod mine now. I just assumed it was like the hrap.

[Atrowurst]

Is there anyone who could create a HRAP2/3 template?
i do have a template with the correct button alignment, but I'm afraid the measurements of the whole top plate aren't correct (no rounded off edges, missing the turbo cutoff and so on)

I'm willing to pay a fee to anyone for taking their time to create an exact template of the HRAP 2 / 3 layout. Please contact me via email or private message.
I don't have my HRAP 3 yet, so I can't do it myself, but I want to finish creating an artwork until the stick arrives.

[TingBoy]

The t5 mod one needs to be updated, no pics. I'm trying to mod mine now. I just assumed it was like the hrap.

T5 is fine. There's a Japanese and a US T5. JPN T5 has Sanwa JLF but Hori buttons. The latter has both a Hori Stick and buttons. All the info is correct.

Edit: Sorry, I thought you meant V4mpiro's mod. That thread is swimming around these forums somewhere. Check it out.

[Atrowurst]

Where is the ps3 button located on the HRAP 3?

And what buttons are located in the top left corner?
The stick mode, turbo button, and what else?

[EvilSamurai]

Where is the ps3 button located on the HRAP 3?

And what buttons are located in the top left corner?
The stick mode, turbo button, and what else?

Autofire, Turbo, Mode, and Home.

[Atrowurst]

thanks a lot

That's a bummer tho, those buttons cut a huge chunk out of pretty much any artwork I'm considering, and I was thinking about putting the artwork over those buttons.
But you can't really cope without the home button.

[Ruben]

I have a problem with my HRAP3. The stick has become kind of "sticky" and it's getting stuck when I move it.

Is there any way that I can clean the stick or something to get it to work again?

[DeepThoughts]

Sure, it comes apart easily enough.

[Sinborn]

I want a HRAP3, but I want to try to get it for a bit cheaper than normally sold. (Otherwise I'd buy an AV off the bat XD) Would it be feasible for my family overseas to buy a stick, open it (to reassure customs that its not going to retail) then send it over?

[sir_arthur]

I want a HRAP3, but I want to try to get it for a bit cheaper than normally sold. (Otherwise I'd buy an AV off the bat XD) Would it be feasible for my family overseas to buy a stick, open it (to reassure customs that its not going to retail) then send it over?

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=160592 this is a great deal and in the US.

[SmokeyHands]

Looking at sticks for PS3, it appears that the standard length for the usb cable is 3 meters. So I'm thinking I'm gonna need to use usb extension cables to be at a comfortable distance from the T.V. Not much, just a couple feet.
Can anyone confirm that this will absolutely not cause lag?
Thanks in advance.

[MarkMan]

If anyone is interested in the new Amazon HRAP 1 and HRAP 3... Stridajni currently has a good deal going on:

http://sdtekken.com/2008/07/29/great-deal-new-exclusive-hori-real-arcade-pro-sticks/

[Toodles]

Looking at sticks for PS3, it appears that the standard length for the usb cable is 3 meters. So I'm thinking I'm gonna need to use usb extension cables to be at a comfortable distance from the T.V. Not much, just a couple feet.
Can anyone confirm that this will absolutely not cause lag?
Thanks in advance.

I won't cause lag.

[SmokeyHands]

I won't cause lag.

^
Thanks Toodles. You made my day.

[NourokaiZord]

just bought my HRAP2 from playasia. Came in few days ago. har har.
keep it up guys.

[GTDudley]

That's a really useful mod. Too bad I don't know heads or tails about soldering.

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

I got my HRAP 3 today... But I noticed when I move the stick left and right, it makes a small squeeky noise.

Is it anything I shuold worry about?

[Tetsuosan]

Mine does that as well when I hit down. It's been doing that for months and it hasn't given me any issues.

[Aborash]

Can someone explain me what are the main diferences between those two sticks?

http://www.horistore.com/images/items/detail/HP3-01.jpg

http://www.horistore.com/images/items/detail/HP3-07.jpg

Actually I can find first one quite cheap, and I'm wondering if it can be mod to be used with Ps2, Ps3 , 360 and Pc, with no lag at all.

Thanks in advance.

[MarkMan]

Well... of course if you mod them you can get them to work with anything.

There is TONS of information on both sticks on these forums. Just use the search function.

Overall I'd say the HRAP3 is the better purchase, especially if you plan on modding it.

[DeepThoughts]

Just go with the hrap3. The fs3 is too small to cram in another pcb, which is what you'd have to do to get ps2 or 360 support. Plus, there are even problems using it with a pc as is.

[Aborash]

Thank you for the fast replies.

So basically If I want a stick that works with all those systems, I must pick the HRAP3 and mod it accordingly.

Someone can be so kind of tell me which systems can be support with hardmodding the stick? (no Piggyback a controller) or if will be better to get a HRAP 2.

I got Ps2, Ps3, and will get a 360 soon.

[king of heart]

i had FS3 and i hated it

i am receiving my HRAP 3 today and i am sure that i will love it

just don't buy the FS3

[SaveFighting]

Come on people take some pictures of the amazon HRAP3. :D Want to see if they fixed the bubbles issue some HRAP3s had.

[deadfrog]

I have two questions about the HRAP2SA!

1. Is its control panel built like that of...
a} the HRAP2 (plexiglass fused onto the metal), or
b} the HRAP3 (just a decal over the metal)?

2. Also, does it have the mounting brackets for...
a} a Seimitsu LS-32 (like the HRAP1a and the HRAP2), or
b} just the ones for a Sanwa JLF (like the HRAP1b and the HRAP3)?

Thanks in advance for any and all help!

[Eclipsing Binary]

I have two questions about the HRAP2SA!

1. Is its control panel built like that of...
a} the HRAP2 (plexiglass fused onto the metal), or
b} the HRAP3 (just a decal over the metal)?

2. Also, does it have the mounting brackets for...
a} a Seimitsu LS-32 (like the HRAP1a and the HRAP2), or
b} just the ones for a Sanwa JLF (like the HRAP1b and the HRAP3)?

Thanks in advance for any and all help!

1. A. HRAP2-style faceplate. :woot:
2. A. LS-32s are supported. :woot:

[king of heart]

Come on people take some pictures of the amazon HRAP3. :D Want to see if they fixed the bubbles issue some HRAP3s had.

here "moded" ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/diamondtifa/02082008115.jpg

[SaveFighting]

OMG Sexy! :woot: What buttons are those?

[Tetsuosan]

PS14-kn

[SaveFighting]

Thanks. And, I take it the Quick disconnects don't need to be changed to fit the Seimitsu buttons?

[deadfrog]

^ Correct. I believe QD's for Japanese arcade buttons are universally .110
(Well, at least all the Sanwa and Seimitsu 30mm and 24mm's.)

1. A. HRAP2-style faceplate. :woot:
2. A. LS-32s are supported. :woot:
Thanks for the answers, dude! :smile:

[Zazzarius]

ok after a bit of forum searching and coming up empty, i'll just ask outright: i'm thinking of getting my first hrap and was aiming to buy the orange button one

but i was quickly taken aback when i saw play-asia's details of "Compatible with PlayStation2™
Japan" (bolded for a reason)

will this thing work out of the box with my fat american unmodded ps2 or not?

[Eclipsing Binary]

Yes, 100%. Controllers are not region-locked.

[Kayin]

Does anyone now how to unscrew the JLF's mounting plate from the top panel? There has to be something I'm missing.

[TingBoy]

Does anyone now how to unscrew the JLF's mounting plate from the top panel? There has to be something I'm missing.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=132472
Step 8

If it's not exactly like that, then it should be something similar

[BigEd80]

Ok here's one thing I don't get, why mod the HRAP2 SA when it is already the perfect stick out of the box( full sanwa everything)? I know some people have their preferences on parts but for me, I would just keep it stock and call it a day.

My HRAP AV on the other hand, those Hori buttons have got to go, which I plan on modding once I put in an order of orange buttons to akihabarashop.

[Eclipsing Binary]

Does anyone now how to unscrew the JLF's mounting plate from the top panel? There has to be something I'm missing.

There's nothing gimmicky about the screws, they really are just that tight. Make sure you use a good size 2 screwdriver so you don't strip the screws.

[Tetsuosan]

Does anyone now how to unscrew the JLF's mounting plate from the top panel? There has to be something I'm missing.

What I've been doing is using a pretty big sized bit and using this black and decker "cordless drill" from Home Depot. It's not as powerful as a regular drill so it doesn't strip the screws.

[NotANoob81]

Does anyone now how to unscrew the JLF's mounting plate from the top panel? There has to be something I'm missing.

:looney::looney::looney::looney:
They have thread lock on them. Get a good screw driver (i.e. the right size w/o a worn tip) and Man Up!

[Ramza126]

Quick question

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-77-2-49-en-15-Hori+real+arcade+pro-70-2sxy.html

Is that a HRAP 1? I was looking at the first post and there are only three HRAP 1s, and the original HRAP is the only only one with a mirror top. I wanna double check, cause I'm like that

So, is it a OG HRAP 1?

[EvilSamurai]

Quick question

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-77-2-49-en-15-Hori+real+arcade+pro-70-2sxy.html

Is that a HRAP 1? I was looking at the first post and there are only three HRAP 1s, and the original HRAP is the only only one with a mirror top. I wanna double check, cause I'm like that

So, is it a OG HRAP 1?

no. it's the new one with no mirror top (no fingerprints), orange buttons/turbo switches, and the newer crappier mounting bracker which means the stick is incompatible with the Seimitsu LS-32.

[Ramza126]

Well I plan on putting some Sanwa OBSF-30s in, and I am leaving the stock stick(JLF-TP-8Y-SK) in there too. Will this stick serve the same purposes for me?(If i had bought an OG HRAP 1) I want to know before I buy my stick

[vpt_whatup]

Well I plan on putting some Sanwa OBSF-30s in, and I am leaving the stock stick(JLF-TP-8Y-SK) in there too. Will this stick serve the same purposes for me?(If i had bought an OG HRAP 1) I want to know before I buy my stickDon't take my word for it, but I think that the OG HRAP 1 did not have Sanwa buttons. Please read SDTEKKEN.com's Arcade Stick Section (http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/arcade-sticks/) for clarification. The stick that you are looking at on Play-Asia is the HRAP Amazon JP.

EvilSamurai: Note that there are TWO HRAP1's according to SDTEKKEN. They each had different plates. Just letting you know for your knowledge base (your brain), lol.

[EvilSamurai]

Don't take my word for it, but I think that the OG HRAP 1 did not have Sanwa buttons. Please read SDTEKKEN.com's Arcade Stick Section (http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/arcade-sticks/) for clarification. The stick that you are looking at on Play-Asia is the HRAP Amazon JP.

EvilSamurai: Note that there are TWO HRAP1's according to SDTEKKEN. They each had different plates. Just letting you know for your knowledge base (your brain), lol.

yeah that's what I implied.

The HRAP1a had a mirror top and LS-32 compatible mounting bracket. The HRAP1b did not.

[vpt_whatup]

yeah that's what I implied.

The HRAP1a had a mirror top and LS-32 compatible mounting bracket. The HRAP1b did not.Oh I just re-read it you're right, lol. Man for just a moment I wanted to know something about sticks that you didn't. Just kidding, lol.

[MarkMan]

There are actually 3 HRAP1s aside from the Amazon version.

HRAP 1 ver A1
HRAP 1 ver A2
HRAP 1 ver B

The difference between the A1 and A2 are the little things such as rubber plug covers around the quick disconnects etc.

[Ramza126]

There are actually 3 HRAP1s aside from the Amazon version.

HRAP 1 ver A1
HRAP 1 ver A2
HRAP 1 ver B

The difference between the A1 and A2 are the little things such as rubber plug covers around the quick disconnects etc.

Does it affect the modding procedure in any way? I wanna make sure this mod goes smooth

[akuma001]

dual ps3/360 modded hrap3 amazon edition.

for those trying to dual mod this stick, the pcb has a slightly different layout to the back. (sorry but i forgot to take a pic and already boxed it up)

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/akuma001/hrap3aedualswitch.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/akuma001/hrap3addualguts.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/akuma001/hrap3aedualguts.jpg

[deadfrog]

I have a very dumb question for anyone who's seen the HRAP2SA in person.

Just how dark is the HRAP2SA's control panel?

I can never be sure in online pictures with weird angles and lighting and whatnot. I can tell it's sort of a shadowy, slate gray, darker than the vanilla HRAP2 (light gray. shiny silver) and lighter than the HRAP3 (soft dusty black, carbon fibre)... but I really can't tell which end it's closer to. Smack dab in the middle? Only sort of dark? Very dark?

Thanks in advance for any replies! :smile:

[Feathers]

I have a very dumb question for anyone who's seen the HRAP2SA in person.

Just how dark is the HRAP2SA's control panel?

I can never be sure in online pictures with weird angles and lighting and whatnot. I can tell it's sort of a shadowy, slate gray, darker than the vanilla HRAP2 (light gray. shiny silver) and lighter than the HRAP3 (soft dusty black, carbon fibre)... but I really can't tell which end it's closer to. Smack dab in the middle? Only sort of dark? Very dark?

Thanks in advance for any replies! :smile:

It could be me, but it's a tad bit darker gray.

[comoesa]

Question: Can you take qd's off with your bare hands do you need a screw driver. Also do you what sized screw driver do you need to take out the screws on the harp case?

[TingBoy]

Question: Can you take qd's off with your bare hands do you need a screw driver. Also do you what sized screw driver do you need to take out the screws on the harp case?

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=132472

You can take the qd's off with your bare hands, but it'll hurt since they're on there pretty tight. It's safer to just get a small screwdriver and twist to pry them off (as shown in my tutorial).

All the tools are listed in the first part of my guide, unless you need the size for the allen key for the HRAP2:SA's top plate bolts.

[deadfrog]

It could be me, but it's a tad bit darker gray.
Reply much appreciated, bro. :smile:

[Ramza126]

If I bought a HRAP1 would it work efficiently on ps2? I hears that analog from PS1 Controllers has no functionality on ps2, so If I bought a HRAP1, would it function?

[deadfrog]

^ ^ ^
It definitely will, yes. As far as I know, the HRAP1 was actually made for the PS2. I would be more worried about whether or not it works on a PS1! (I'm pretty sure it does, but hopefully someone can confirm this for you.)

[Ramza126]

^ ^ ^
It definitely will, yes. As far as I know, the HRAP1 was actually made for the PS2. I would be more worried about whether or not it works on a PS1! (I'm pretty sure it does, but hopefully someone can confirm this for you.)

Lol thanks, I sure as hell won't be using it on PS1, I will be practicing on Emu with converter. and all main non arcade tourneys are held on ps2, the console which this stick works on so, its all good! :woot:

[VeryLaZ]

I am about to mod my HRAP3 and have all the buttons picked out, but unsure if I should swap out the stick...and if I do, which one I should get.

Any ideas? If it helps I primarily play 2d games like SF.

Thanks!

[Kayin]

The HRAP3 has a Sanwa JLF in it, which is a very good stick and is common in Japanese cabinets. I doubt you'll regret keeping it.

[VeryLaZ]

The HRAP3 has a Sanwa JLF in it, which is a very good stick and is common in Japanese cabinets. I doubt you'll regret keeping it.

Glad to hear its a good stick....I am afraid already to start modding this thing....and if I just switch out the buttons I should be fine...it was the joystick that had me worried.

Has anyone with a HRAP3 found a better joystick to put int, or have they found that the stock one was just fine? I keep seeing people are putting in a LS-32-01 from Seimitsu and figured that was a better stick.

I am now also thinking of going Seimitsu for the buttons (their clear ones look very nice) but keep hearing Sanwa are better quality. How much so? Was it better to stick with Sanwa and their quality buttons over the Seimietu ones?

[nGuman]

I am about to mod my HRAP3 and have all the buttons picked out, but unsure if I should swap out the stick...and if I do, which one I should get.

Any ideas? If it helps I primarily play 2d games like SF.

Thanks!

If I were you I wouldn't swap the stick its fine.

[VeryLaZ]

any thoughts on the quality of the sanwa buttons compared to the Seimitsu? I really like the look of the Seimitsu over the Sanwa, but do not want to sacrifice the quality...who has tried both and what is the diffrence?

[Dreams-Visions]

akuma001 can mod your HRAP3 for compatability with the 360. I just got mine yesterday and have been testing it out today. flawless.

will install some semietsu buttons this week and post pics.

[Elixir]

Hey, is there a tutorial for modding the HRAP1 (the first one, mirror, stock) here? I searched, but didn't find anything.

Sorry, haha. I haven't exactly been in the game for awhile.. orz

[Takahashi0]

any thoughts on the quality of the sanwa buttons compared to the Seimitsu? I really like the look of the Seimitsu over the Sanwa, but do not want to sacrifice the quality...who has tried both and what is the diffrence?

They are both good, it ends up with preference.

I like Seimitsu better than Sanwa,
because of the tactile feedback it gives me.

Seimitsu has a larger dead zone while Sanwa seems to not have one.
I find the Sanwa too good as in too responsive for me.
I even take Crown CWB 203 over the Sanwa OBSF-30.

It will take years before the plastic of both will crumble,
before that time you either replace the switches or get new buttons.

[TingBoy]

Hey, is there a tutorial for modding the HRAP1 (the first one, mirror, stock) here? I searched, but didn't find anything.

Sorry, haha. I haven't exactly been in the game for awhile.. orz

IIRC, that's the one with the good mounting bracket, so it should be the same as modding an HRAP2. Check my sig.

[VeryLaZ]

Coming off a Mas Super Pro stick...what buttons do you think would suit me best... and how do you mean the buttons are too sensitive? I would think the more sensitive the better.

[Takahashi0]

Coming off a Mas Super Pro stick...what buttons do you think would suit me best... and how do you mean the buttons are too sensitive? I would think the more sensitive the better.

That is that preference thing.
Petting a Sanwa activates them, I find that annoying.
However I can play with everything.

What about trying one brand on the upper row
and the other brand on the lower row?

[VeryLaZ]

That is that preference thing.
Petting a Sanwa activates them, I find that annoying.
However I can play with everything.

What about trying one brand on the upper row
and the other brand on the lower row?


Yeah...I will pry do that...and go with which ever one feels better...but Im already starting to like the Sanwa less...just because I like to rest my fingers over the buttons.

I just need to decide on which Sanwa Stick to get...I can either get the square gate, or the octagon gate...what are peoples thoughts on these 2 types? I plan on using the stick mainly for SF if that helps...

[Dasiatic]

Yeah, im about to head out to chinatown and see if they've got any imported Sega Saturns. Been wanting to play Xmen vs street fighter for a minute since my HRAP2 came in my mail a month ago.
Matter of fact, I didn't even open it yet. It's supposed to be the orange and black one, i dunno.
Oh yeah, and im gonna buy that shit that converts the HRAP to a Sega Saturn. Hope it has no lag or someshit.

[marveldonuts]

this is gonna sound like a dumb question but...

which button layout do most of you prefer and why? the hrap1 layout or the hrap2 layout?

[deadfrog]

^ ^ ^

(Keep in mind that for SF you use the right six buttons on the HRAP1 and the left six buttons on the HRAP2.)

I thiiink that most people on here (who use Japanese arcade sticks) prefer the HRAP2 over the HRAP1.

HRAP2: The main difference is that you use your thumb for Short (aka LK, light kick).
The HRAP2 layout is more akin to a normal Japanese cab's layout. It actually is identical to the measurements used for Sega's series of ___ City cabs, which I believe are the most prolific type of arcade cabinet in Japan. People who want to go all-the-way Japanese prefer this, partially for its authenticity, but also because it is more ergonomic, which is often one of the main reasons people choose Japanese sticks over American (or another kind).

HRAP1: The main difference is that you use your index finger for Short also, in addition to Jab (aka LP, light punch).
The HRAP1 layout is generally preferred by people who grew up playing on American cabinets, and are making the switch to Japanese stuff years later. The buttons form proper, vertical columns, and allllmost horizontally straight rows... it's just a very slight ergonomic curve added to what is otherwise the American button layout.

For Tekken it hardly matters which one you use, for VF the HRAP2 is significantly preferred (it's a Sega game), SNK titles I have no idea, and for everything else it's probably all over the place... actually maybe skewed towards HRAP2 just because of the Japanophility factor inherent to anime fighters, haha. Remember, it is more truly Japanese! Ahhtatatata :china:

A lot of people don't seem to care one way or the other. I think you might see a lot more of the HRAP1 layout because the HRAP1 was of course released before the HRAP2, and because so many players' PS2 sticks are the Tekken 5 ones they grabbed on clearance from Gamestop/EB.

[makstaks]

Are there any issues with mounting an LS-32-01 into an HRAP2:SA?

Will the LS-32-01 mount at the right height?


I noticed it comes with an s-shaped mounting plate compared to the LS-32 which is just flat. I'm hoping i can stick with the LS-32-01...i don't have to do extra modding since it comes with the 5-pin connector :sweat:

[EvilSamurai]

^
yes

[NeoChaosX]

I prefer the HRAP2 layout because that's similar to what I've been using with my Hori EX2 stick for the 360.

[makstaks]

^
yes


LOL. A yes to the first question would suck.


Do you mean, "yes" it will mount, and "yes" at the right height? :wgrin:

[Tetsuosan]

LOL. A yes to the first question would suck.


Do you mean, "yes" it will mount, and "yes" at the right height? :wgrin:

Yes to both

[Xorcist]

What's the word on this "Amazon Japan Exclusive (http://www.ncsxshop.com/cgi-bin/shop/22324.html)" stick? Is it the same as the old HRAP with Orange buttons instead of Green? or is there more too it? I'm assuming it probably has quick disconnects...

* I didn't see any details for this one listed on the first page of this thread, let me know if I missed it though.

[MarkMan]

The Amazon HRAP1 is just like the HRAP1 Ver. B. It has quick disconnects but the mounting plate isn't the same as the HRAP1 Ver. A or HRAP2/HRAP2SA unfortunately ;(

[Elixir]

Can someone please tell me if it's possible to mod an original HRAP1 with a Seimitsu LS-32 stick and the Seimitsu PS-14-G buttons without any complicated crap? I've never modded a stick before, but I'm getting a HRAP1 soon and need to know what to order from akibashop. Thank you.

[MarkMan]

Elixir; as long as it is the mirror top, yes it is easy.

[Elixir]

Elixir; as long as it is the mirror top, yes it is easy.

Thanks, I'll put an order in now then.

[diaz]

Is the ls-32 the only joystick that cant be put in a hrap3 or are there others that cant be put in as well.

[momimomi]

Fate Unlimited Codes stick for PS2
http://www.horistore.com/shop/item_detail.php?id=679
http://www.hori.jp/products/ps2/controller/fate_uc_st/

e-COPCOM and HORI STORE.com exclusive.
I have a bad feeling about the SF4 stick.

[Agent X]

that looks cool

[TingBoy]

I doubt this will do any damage to SF4 stick sales, especially with the awkward layout of that stick. IIRC, SF4 stick still has the advantages of all sanwa parts, changable art, and easy modding. Plus, isn't the SF4 stick for the new-gen systems? Fate stick is ps2 only

[Tetsuosan]

The other thing to look at as well for that fate stick is the price. Look at how much people are charging for the Arcana Hearts HRAP. I'm pretty sure the Fate stick is going to be set up the same way as the AH stick and the T5 stick, with the buttons soldered directly to the pcb(Hori buttons for that matter lol).

[honorless]

I doubt this will do any damage to SF4 stick sales, especially with the awkward layout of that stick.
I think he means that a Hori SFIV stick might be a horistore.com and e-Capcom exclusive like this one is...making it a bigger, more expensive pain to get outside of Japan.

[momimomi]

and this is the answer from capcom.
lol.

http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/information.html#5

[crackbone]

Two questions:

1. Does anybody have the measurements for the Carriage bolts used to hold the top plate down? I've got a HRAP shell, but no carriage bolts to measure to figure out what I need.

2. Does anybody know where you could order replacement bolts from?

[TingBoy]

Two questions:

1. Does anybody have the measurements for the