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Superking

07-22-2005, 12:35 PM

+++++++++++NEW++++++++++++
HRAP EX
- For Xbox 360, and probably PC but unconfirmed for PC
- Will be released July, 10th, 2008
- Retails for 11,429円
- Sanwa JLF-TM-8T-SK-K
- Hori Buttons
- Uses quick disconnects for the buttons *UNCONFIRMED BUT LIKELY*
- Headset Port, Xbox Button
- No mirror top
- Black color scheme
- Button layout is Sanwa panel / Seimitsu 1P side panel layout
- Button placement:
LT X Y LB
RT A B RB
- Pic: http://www.hori.jp/products/xbox360/controller/realarc_pro_ex/
+++++++++++NEW++++++++++++

*** ALL PS2 HRAPs are 100% compatible (zero lag too) with PS3 using the Pelican PS2/PS3 Adapter, also unless otherwise noted ALL HRAPs are for PS1/PS2***

HRAP 2 SA (Special Addition):
- Will be released April 17, 2008
- Retails for 10,000円
- Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK
- Sanwa Pushbuttons: OBSF-30 / OBSF-24
- Uses quick disconnects for the buttons *UNCONFIRMED BUT LIKELY*
- Turbo switches
- No mirror top
- White/Blue color scheme
- Button layout is Sanwa panel / Seimitsu 1P side panel layout
- Button placement:
[] /\ R1 L1
X O R2 L2

Arcana Heart HRAP:
- Will be released October 11, 2007, around the time of PS2 port
- Retails for 8,379 円
- Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK
- Hori Buttons
- Uses quick disconnects for the buttons for easy switching for Sanwa pushbuttons. *UNCONFIRMED BUT LIKELY*
- Picture of Aino Heart with the logo on top
- White/Pink colour scheme
- Button layout is Seimitsu 2P side panel layout
- Button placement:
[] /\ O L2
X L1 R1 R2
- Pic: http://www.horistore.com/images/items/detail/HP2-259.jpg

HRAP 3 Special Addition:
- For PlayStation 3 and PC
- USB wired
- 3m cable
- Will be released on September 2007
- Retails for 9,800円
- Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK
- Sanwa Pushbuttons: OBSF-30 / OBSF-24
- Uses quickdisconnects
- Turbo Button with three level settings: Slow, Normal, Fast
- PlayStation Button to bring up the XMB
- The HRAP has a switch that emulates at any given time either: the digital pad(default), Left analog, or right analog
- White/Blue colour scheme
- Button layout is Sanwa panel / Seimitsu 1P side panel layout
- Button placement:
[] /\ R1
X O R2
- L1/L2 looked to be plugged up from all pictures shown.
- Pic:
http://www.hori.jp/products/ps3/controller/realarc_pro3_sa/images/04.jpg

HRAP 3:
- For PlayStation 3 and PC
- USB wired
- Will be released on the same day as VF5 in Japan (February 8th, 2007)
- Retails for 8,379円
- Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK
- Hori Buttons
- Uses quickdisconnects
- Turbo Button with three level settings: Slow, Normal, Fast
- PlayStation Button to bring up the XMB
- The HRAP has a switch that emulates at any given time either: the digital pad(default), Left analog, or right analog
- Mesh top
- Black/Metallic colour scheme
- Button layout is Sanwa panel / Seimitsu 1P side panel layout
- Button placement:
[] /\ R1 L1
X O R2 L2
- The mounting area is altered like the HRAP1B, so no go with the LS-32.
- Pic:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20061213/hori02.jpg

Regular HRAP, CFJ HRAP:
- Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK
- Hori Buttons
- Turbo switches
- Uses quick disconnects for the buttons for easy switching for Sanwa pushbuttons.
- Mirror top, scratches and gets fingerprints easily (Regular HRAP only)
- CFJ art (CFJ HRAP only duh lol)
- Button layout is Seimitsu 2P side panel layout
- Button placement:
L1 [] /\ R1
L2 X O R2
- Work and are lag-free with these converters:
PS --> XBOX - Dragonbox - when choosing colors, HP and HK are switched.
PS --> Dreamcast - Innovation
PS --> PC - Wind Spirit
- Pic (Original): http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-70-5w3.html
(CFJ): http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-70-dib.html

HRAP1 Version B:
- Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK
- Hori Buttons
- Turbo switches
- Uses quick disconnects for the buttons for moderate switching for Sanwa pushbuttons.
- No mirror top
- Button layout is Seimitsu 2P side panel layout
- Button placement:
L1 [] /\ R1
L2 X O R2
- Work and are lag-free with these converters:
PS --> XBOX - Dragonbox - when choosing colors, HP and HK are switched.
PS --> Dreamcast - Innovation
PS --> PC - Wind Spirit
- HRAP1 version 2 is essentially the same as the regular HRAP, but according to some reports, the Hori buttons used are of even lesser quality, and the mounting area has been altered, so sticking a LS-32 isn't really possible anymore.

Special Addition HRAP:
- Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK
- Sanwa Pushbuttons: OBSF-30RG / OBSF-24
- Turbo switches
- Uses quick disconnects
- No mirror top
- Black/Red color scheme
- Button layout is Sanwa panel / Seimitsu 1P side panel layout
- Button placement:
[] /\ R1 L1
X O R2 L2
- Pic: http://www.hori.jp/products/ps2/controller/realarc_pro_s_fix/index.html

Special Edition HRAP:
- Seimitsu LS-32-01
- Seimitsu Pushbuttons: PS-14-GX / PS-14-D
- Turbo switches
- Uses quick disconnects
- No mirror top
- White/Blue color scheme
- Button layout is Sanwa panel / Seimitsu 1P side panel layout
- Button placement:
[] /\ R1 L1
X O R2 L2
- Pic: http://www.hori.jp/products/ps2/controller/realarc_pro_s_fix/index.html

HRAP 2:
- Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK
- Hori Buttons
- Uses quickdisconnects
- Turbo switches
- No mirror top
- White/Red color scheme
- Button layout is Sanwa panel / Seimitsu 1P side panel layout
- Button placement:
[] /\ R1 L1
X O R2 L2
- Pic: http://www.hori.jp/products/ps2/controller/realarc_pro2/image/image2.jpg
- Apparently when modding the HRAP2's buttons, it is recommended to use snap-ins as opposed to screw-ins as there is not enough space due to the mounting area of the new layout.

Soul Calibur 3 HRAP:
- Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK
- Hori Buttons
- Buttons soldered onto PCB
- SC3 art
- Button layout is Seimitsu 2P side panel layout
- Button placement:
[] /\ O L2
X L1 R1 R2
- Pic: http://image.lik-sang.com/images//large/hori-arcade-stick-sc3.jpg

Japanese T5 HRAP:
- Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK
- Hori Buttons
- Buttons soldered onto PCB
- Tekken lightning art
- Button layout is Sanwa panel / Seimitsu 1P side panel layout
- Button placement:
[] /\ L1 R1
X O L2 R2
- Pic: http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-15-tekken%2B5%2Bstick-70-imt.html#

US T5 Hori stick (NOT a HRAP, but usually confused for one):
- Hori Buttons and Stick
- Buttons soldered onto PCB
- Tekken art
- Button layout is Seimitsu 2P side panel layout
- Button placement:
L1 [] /\ R1
L2 X O R2
- Work and are lag-free with these converters:
PS --> XBOX - Dragonbox - when choosing colors, HP and HK are switched.
PS --> Dreamcast - Innovation
PS --> PC - Wind Spirit
- Pic: http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/hardware/reviews/tekken5stick/tekken5_screen001.jpg

Modding the sticks:

Original and CFJ:
- Replacing the stock buttons w/Sanwa pushbuttons: Simply open up the HRAP, remove the quick disconnects off the Hori buttons, pop the buttons out, then put in the Sanwa pushbuttons, hook up the quick disconnects to those and booyaa, you got yourself a HRAP fully equipped with Sanwas. Recommended buttons for this switcheroo are Snap-ins due to the Metal Panel, but Screw-ins should work too.
- Replacing the JLF with a LS-32:
http://www.geocities.jp/u3q_yusaku/seimitsu.html

HRAP1 version 2:
- Replacing the buttons is almost the same as the OG HRAP and CFJ HRAP, but the QDs are slightly harder to remove for some reason. So here is a diagram on how to remove them to avoid having sore hands (kudos to spoon for the diagram):
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8209/qd9xd.th.jpg

HRAP2:
- fubarduck's HRAP2 modding guide:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=2729022&postcount=1

US Tekken 5 Hori Stick:
- Upgrading the T5 stick into a full Sanwa stick:
http://himuragames.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=techinfo&action=display&num=1109887687

How can I put custom art on my HRAP?
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=107975&highlight=eggy

Where can I buy a HRAP?:
- http://www.play-asia.com
- http://www.ncsx.com
- http://www.vgonetwork.com/

Where can I buy Sanwa or Seimitsu parts for my HRAP?:
- http://www.akihabarashop.jp - Sanwa / Seimitsu
- www.lizardlick.com - Sanwa
- http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=127731 (goleafsgoaz) - Seimitsu
- http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=116457&highlight=ponyboy (ponyboy) - Sanwa / Seimitsu

Can I still buy a Special Addition or Special Edition HRAP?
- At this moment in time, your best bet would be either ebay or Yahoo Japan or any other auction site.

Now some mod has to sticky this, so we can slowly kill off all the "what is the difference in blank HRAP" threads. :party:

454Casull

07-22-2005, 01:02 PM

Nice!

Alax.cool.

07-22-2005, 01:36 PM

Finally. Now all those pointless threads can die. Good job :tup:

SiLLiEMutAfuKA

07-22-2005, 01:49 PM

I would suggest this a sticky.

God dammit I've been explaining the differences between the HRAP and T5 HRAP for more than 5 times the past week.

Superking

07-22-2005, 02:03 PM

You guys can even post about converters and crap, and I can update the first post with them (don't have a Xbox, so I dunno about ps2->xbox converters).

Alax.cool.

07-22-2005, 03:07 PM

For the HRAP and T5 Hori, these converters WORK and are lag-free.

PS --> XBOX - Dragonbox - when choosing colors, HP and HK are switched.
PS --> Dreamcast - Innovation
PS --> PC - Wind Spirit

I'm not sure if the Japanese T5 HRAP would work with these converters, but the PCB is pretty much identical to the American one so give it a try.

Oh, and Kyoji, you might want to mention that the Sanwa HRAP SE is red and the Seimitsu one is blue, for the ones who don't know.

CrotchMonkey

07-22-2005, 07:23 PM

magicbox works for xbox

SiLLiEMutAfuKA

07-22-2005, 09:27 PM

magicbox works for xbox

Are you sure? Cause I heard alot of complains about it being lag or didn't even work, and this goes towards mostly to SFAC.

Superking

07-22-2005, 10:41 PM

EDIT: Never mind, thanks for the better link for the US T5 stick FMJaguar. :tup:

Anyhoo, about CrotchMonkey's suggestion for Xbox magicbox, I too have heard problems with SFAC, anyone confirm this? I'll update the top post if all things go good for it. :tup:

marler

07-23-2005, 08:04 AM

Any ideas on an adaptor to use the HRAP with a Saturn?
I've been looking at this (http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=178&products_id=3463&PHPSESSID=e610cae6e209fa1672374675d29e6daf).
But the reviews on the site don't bode well.
If this is no good, does anyone have some other reccomendations?

Gen-An

07-23-2005, 02:58 PM

I've used that Saturn convertor myself. Remapping the buttons is tricky since it uses a retarted button conversion, but it works.

CrotchMonkey

07-23-2005, 03:18 PM

ive never had one problem with the magicbox + hrap combo, works perfect. infact ive never heard a negative complaint about it, everyone seems to have the magicbox suggested and recommended from previous use.

VR-Fist

07-23-2005, 04:16 PM

Let's say the special addition is not available from what I've found. Sold out?

Superking

07-23-2005, 04:22 PM

^ The special addition and special edition no longer exist. They were only available for special orders thru Hori's site. And they sold out really fast. Some people here at SRK were able to nab some, but that was because of friends in Japan.

VR-Fist

07-23-2005, 04:24 PM

Oh. Is HRAP really that vulnerable to scratches?

Superking

07-23-2005, 04:27 PM

^ Regular, yes because of the mirror finish, but it's more of a magnet to fingerprints and smudges.

It's still a nice stick though, especially if you mod it with Sanwa pushbuttons.

VR-Fist

07-23-2005, 04:32 PM

Well, I would have to be extra-cautious, very careful I mean.

B.S.Y

07-23-2005, 05:31 PM

does jap T5RAP + magicbox work on sfac?
cuz i'm abt to place the order at play-asia,can someone pls give me some advice on this combination

xXxDa_RaGexXx

07-29-2005, 10:37 PM

can some1 explain the difference in feel between the T5 stick and the orignal HRAP. I used both and I can't feel the difference. Then again I only tested the T5 stick for a couple of matches,I own the HRAP so I'm pretty used to how it feels.

Oh yeah, I use my HRAP with a MagicBox converter with the SFAC and it works perfect!! It also works on live with no problems.

SuperPang

07-30-2005, 05:42 AM

Japanese T5 HRAP works with magicbox and this (http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=165&products_id=3208&) for GC.

Alax.cool.

07-30-2005, 01:13 PM

can some1 explain the difference in feel between the T5 stick and the orignal HRAP. I used both and I can't feel the difference. Then again I only tested the T5 stick for a couple of matches,I own the HRAP so I'm pretty used to how it feels.

Well, the HRAP has a Sanwa stick and the T5 Hori has a Hori stick.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-5/733917/DIFFERENCE.jpg

If you own a T5 Hori, or played on it for a while, you'll start to notice a difference.

deadend

07-30-2005, 01:33 PM

Is there a way to buy Special Edition HRAP now. There are no wed site that can help to order the stick

Superking

07-30-2005, 01:48 PM

^ The Special Addition and Edition HRAPs were only available to order from Hori's site and was for Japanese only. They sold out real quick when released in March of this year, anyway it's practically impossible now to get either.

xXxDa_RaGexXx

07-31-2005, 06:18 AM

How hard would it be to put in a ls-32 inside of a mirror top HRAP?

Superking

07-31-2005, 01:30 PM

^ http://www.geocities.jp/u3q_yusaku/seimitsu.html

xXxDa_RaGexXx

07-31-2005, 10:37 PM

Does the DreamBox converter work with the HRAP for SFAE??

Superking

08-09-2005, 01:38 PM

I'm just bumping this up.

aLee

08-15-2005, 05:27 PM

anyone willing to make money to mod my t5 stick, :|

ragnarok3X

08-16-2005, 06:55 AM

I just want to know what other sites sell the HRAP(the one with the green buttons) besides www.play-asia.com and www.lik-sang.com . Because both sites are back ordered and wont start shipping in like weeks till they restocked, and i want to buy one now. Thanks in advance for the reply

angryliberal

08-16-2005, 07:44 AM

you know whats great? the fact that we have had 3 million hrap/converter/whatever threads, and i'm still not 100% about which harp>xbox converter to use...i've heard alot about the magicbox, and it seems like the one to use, but i'm not 100%...so, should i do the magicbox or the dragonbox. i haven't heard much about the dragonbox, but i'm losing my midn trying to figure the best converter...its funny that i had an easier time finding a converter to use my hrap on my neo-geo than finding good info on the xbox conversion...

aznflict

08-16-2005, 10:39 AM

magicbox is the way to go. it doesn't have communicator compatiblilty, but who cares?

angryliberal

08-16-2005, 10:41 AM

thank you

Slagfart

08-16-2005, 04:45 PM

Alax.cool.

08-16-2005, 05:34 PM

I'd like to know how to remove the shiny ball-things on top of the HRAP. I can get the screws undone on the underside (I'm not that bad) but the round screw things on the top have formed an impenetrable defence against my every attempt. The 4 shoulder buttons (L1,L2,R1,R2) have just died (using a USB converter) and I need to figure this out.

Any advice?

Uh, I'm guessing you're talking about the six rounded bolts on top of your front panel, keeping it down? Once you unscrew the bottom plate, there should be six nuts connected to those bolts, along with 6 washers. You can use a 7mm socket or plyers to unscrew those nuts from the bolts. Once those nuts come off, the bolts should be easily removed from the front panel.

Slagfart

08-17-2005, 01:06 AM

Uh, I'm guessing you're talking about the six rounded bolts on top of your front panel, keeping it down? Once you unscrew the bottom plate, there should be six nuts connected to those bolts, along with 6 washers. You can use a 7mm socket or plyers to unscrew those nuts from the bolts. Once those nuts come off, the bolts should be easily removed from the front panel.

I've unscrewed the bottom plate, but how do you remove it entirely? Do you just have to ply it out? Dig your finger in there? Turn the thing upside down? I couldn't figure it out, and since I have bad luck when fiddling with electronics, didn't want to be rough with it.

Alax.cool.

08-17-2005, 12:14 PM

I've unscrewed the bottom plate, but how do you remove it entirely? Do you just have to ply it out? Dig your finger in there? Turn the thing upside down? I couldn't figure it out, and since I have bad luck when fiddling with electronics, didn't want to be rough with it.

Uh, so you need to remove the BOTTOM plate? If it doesnt just fall off, get a flat head and pop it out.

ragnafrak

08-17-2005, 02:20 PM

pull at the cord

Slagfart

08-17-2005, 03:45 PM

Uh, so you need to remove the BOTTOM plate? If it doesnt just fall off, get a flat head and pop it out.

I thought you had to remove the top plate before you removed the bottom. My bad.

I'll give it a shot as soon as I can.

As far as replacing the standard Hori buttons with Sanwas goes, do people see any gains in performance? The Hori buttons feel a bit muddy and 'unclean' to me, but will replacing them with Sanwas make them sharper? I also like to bang the buttons a bit, so I'm assuming the Sanwas can take this sort of beating.

Secondly, does anyone recommend the Semitsu buttons as alternatives to Sanwas?

ragnafrak

08-17-2005, 04:41 PM

you won't need to bang the buttons if you do replace the buttons with sanwas, they are extremely sensitive, you can drop a paper plate on them and they will probably all depress. going from sanwa buttons from the stock ones is definitely an improvement (at least in how reliable your button presses are, helps immensely for shit like link combos in cvs2)

VR-Fist

08-17-2005, 06:27 PM

Buy Sanwa.. And the best resource is himuragames.com ;)

Onikage

08-18-2005, 04:02 PM

I have a question about the shitty turbo buttons. for some reason, the magic box converter actually screws up my HRAP righteously. Using the magic box, the turbo function is just on regardless of whether or not the turbo is turned on. So what's a safe way to disable that turbo bs?

Slagfart

08-19-2005, 10:07 PM

Superking

08-20-2005, 12:20 AM

I updated the first post with some where to buy info and props to whoever stickied this thread. :tup:

Alax.cool.

08-20-2005, 11:18 AM

I know this must sound pathetic, but how do you disconnect the quick disconnects? If I apply any more force the buttons will break, so there must be something I'm missing here.

I want to switch L1 with R2 for 3rd Strike and MVSC2 on Dreamcast, so I assume I'm going about this the right way.

Ai-ya... just pull/jiggle them out, but I recommend that you just config your buttons.

buffi

08-20-2005, 11:37 AM

I used a flatheaded screwdriver to get the off easier. Just put it in between the connector and button and bend it a little. Works wonders :)

Superking

08-20-2005, 02:18 PM

I know this must sound pathetic, but how do you disconnect the quick disconnects? If I apply any more force the buttons will break, so there must be something I'm missing here.

I want to switch L1 with R2 for 3rd Strike and MVSC2 on Dreamcast, so I assume I'm going about this the right way.

Actually, if you're just going to use the HRAP for the DC, you're better off using the Innovation, since it maps the buttons properly for the DC.

buffi

08-20-2005, 03:12 PM

Where do you get the innovation then?

Alax.cool.

08-20-2005, 03:13 PM

Where do you get the innovation then?

eBay

canoshiz

08-20-2005, 03:30 PM

So is there any reliable place where you can find a HRAP Special Edition/Addition (the one with no mirror top)?

Alax.cool.

08-20-2005, 09:03 PM

So is there any reliable place where you can find a HRAP Special Edition/Addition (the one with no mirror top)?

Post #14 and #23 :karate:

^ The special addition and special edition no longer exist. They were only available for special orders thru Hori's site. And they sold out really fast. Some people here at SRK were able to nab some, but that was because of friends in Japan.

canoshiz

08-20-2005, 09:22 PM

Shekeib

08-21-2005, 12:46 AM

anyone ever find a gamecube to xbox controller converter, tell me
But i don't think there is one

Alax.cool.

08-21-2005, 01:22 AM

:confused:
Err, wrong thread buddy.

zidanax

08-21-2005, 02:39 AM

Could someone provide a translation of the explanation on how to put an LS-32 into the RAP?

Superking

08-21-2005, 02:58 AM

I dunno, I found this site http://mgrsti3030s.seamlesstech.biz/templates/frmTemplateR.asp?CatalogID=9455&SearchYN=N&subFolderID=97 . I don't know about how legit it is (link from a blog that was posting about the HRAP SE/SA), how would I tell? It says pre-orders closed, but there's an "add to cart" option. :confused:

That looks like the same page from NCSX, and NCSX did try and get some in stock way back in March, but their suppliers didn't get it to them, some SRK members tried ordering from NCSX too, dunno if they got their refunds though.

buffi

08-21-2005, 05:35 AM

eBay

As far as i know, the innovation converter hasnt been on ebay for a while :/

Alax.cool.

08-21-2005, 11:11 AM

As far as i know, the innovation converter hasnt been on ebay for a while :/

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dreamcast-CONTROLLER-CONVERTER-4-PLAYSTATION-2-PS2_W0QQitemZ8213463839QQcategoryZ41053QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

buffi

08-21-2005, 01:03 PM

Oh, so that's the innovation one... nice. It doesnt say innovation anywhere so I didnt know.

solomond

08-21-2005, 02:07 PM

Hi

I just got the HRAP stick(mirror top) and im wondering if u guys know wich sanwa buttons i should get to replace the original non sanwa ones with. model? size? screwin or snap ins?

Thx

Alax.cool.

08-21-2005, 02:46 PM

Hi

I just got the HRAP stick(mirror top) and im wondering if u guys know wich sanwa buttons i should get to replace the original non sanwa ones with. model? size? screwin or snap ins?

Thx

http://www.himuragames.com/store_buttons.php

Screw ins and snap ins both work, but I recommend screw ins.
30mm, and 24mm if you want to change your start/select buttons.
Sanwa or Seimitsu, your choice.

Superking

08-21-2005, 02:51 PM

^ What he said.

LakeEarth

08-21-2005, 03:59 PM

Are the original buttons that bad that they need modding?

Alax.cool.

08-21-2005, 04:18 PM

Are the original buttons that bad that they need modding?

Actually, the HORI buttons aren't that bad.

starboy

08-21-2005, 07:35 PM

The hori buttons are not bad at all. They feel very similar to Seimetsu buttons.

solomond

08-22-2005, 02:10 AM

yeah ill go with the screw ins, thx :)

Onikage

08-22-2005, 05:11 PM

poo

08-24-2005, 03:34 PM

I can't seem to find a site that sells the Wind Spirit PS-PC converter, can someone please direct me to a site?

bloody sunday

08-24-2005, 06:44 PM

i saw the texas dvd trailer and kindevu and bass have a HRAP but it does not seem like the original. what is that HRAP special idition or the original?

Alax.cool.

08-24-2005, 06:56 PM

i saw the texas dvd trailer and kindevu and bass have a HRAP but it does not seem like the original. what is that HRAP special idition or the original?

I only saw the original HRAP and the T5 HORI in that trailer.

bloody sunday

08-24-2005, 07:23 PM

in the minute 3:09 you cant see the HRAP of Kindevu and the mirror top is black not silver and the buttons line up look diferent

this is the original or other?

Alax.cool.

08-24-2005, 08:07 PM

in the minute 3:09 you cant see the HRAP of Kindevu and the mirror top is black not silver and the buttons line up look diferent

this is the original or other?

The one with the green buttons? That is the original HRAP. The button lining is correct, and that later released HRAPs have a darker mirror finish.

bloody sunday

08-24-2005, 08:47 PM

The one with the green buttons? That is the original HRAP. The button lining is correct, and that later released HRAPs have a darker mirror finish.

ok :tup: thanks

Gravitom

09-04-2005, 09:51 AM

dugan

09-05-2005, 04:02 PM

I feel stupid for not figuring out myself, but how do you set the buttons when you're connecting a HRAP to a Magic Box to play SFAC?

The HRAP's button layout is:
L1 [] /\ R1
L2 X O R2

With a Magic Box, that converts to:
White X Y Black
L A B R

The only buttons I can assign on SFII's Button Config menu are X, Y, White, A, B, and Black. The L and R buttons aren't on the menu and apparently aren't assignable. As far as I can tell, that makes it impossible to get a button layout even remotely similar to the arcade's. I know there are people here who use a HRAP + Magic Box combo to play SFIII on the Xbox, so could someone please help me out here?

Superking

09-06-2005, 01:27 AM

Where did you get your HRAP? Everyplace I've checked has been sold out for 2 months.

Check the first post.

EDIT: Whoops, that Evo/VGO Network offer is gone now, those sure went fast.

xXxDa_RaGexXx

09-13-2005, 01:43 AM

What is the difference between the Sanwa JLF-SK that comes in the mirror top Hrap and the JLF-TP-8Y.
Would the JLF-TP-8Y be better for 2D fighters such as Street Fighter and Kof?
And could some1 explain the wiring that needs to be done in order to drop in Seimitsu LS-32 into the mirror hrap.

Superking

09-13-2005, 02:41 AM

Seimitsu tutorial is on the first post, more information should be found in the forums. The JLF-TP-8Y-SK is just a version of the regular JLF made for Virtua Fighter. Though it's more or less a regular JLF, and is perfectly fine for Capcom or SNK 2D fighters.

TheRealNeoGeo

09-13-2005, 09:45 AM

What is the special addition worth new in box?

xXxDa_RaGexXx

09-13-2005, 02:22 PM

I went to the site and used babelfish to translate. But it did a shitty job. Would any1 mine clearing the wiring section up and any other important faqs on there.

two2tone

09-14-2005, 10:03 AM

i been readin this thread and not one thing was mentioned about this hori stick:

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-15-hori%2Bstick-70-4ra.html

is this stick no good or what?

solomond

09-14-2005, 04:02 PM

What is the special addition worth new in box?

You got one to sell? if so i buy it :D

Alax.cool.

09-14-2005, 04:15 PM

i been readin this thread and not one thing was mentioned about this hori stick:

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-15-hori%2Bstick-70-4ra.html

is this stick no good or what?

That isn't a Hori Real Arcade Pro. That is a Hori Fighting stick. For the price for one of those, you can get a T5 HORI. :tup:

two2tone

09-14-2005, 05:14 PM

That isn't a Hori Real Arcade Pro. That is a Hori Fighting stick. For the price for one of those, you can get a T5 HORI. :tup:

Are you sure? I've check and the hori T5 is like 30 bux more!

109 without tax
http://www.ncsxshop.com/cgi-bin/shop/search.html?mv_profile=searchstring&mv_sort_field=title&mv_matchlimit=10&mv_search_page=search_results&mv_searchspec=hori+tekken+5

sold out dont know price
http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=22&products_id=6524&

sold out too dont know price
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-77-x-15-hori%2Btekken%2B5-70-imt.html

hori fighting stick 2 only $75 w/ shipping included
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-15-hori+stick-70-4ra.html

are you sure it's the same price? because i checked and no way are they the same... anyways T5 hori is better than hori fighting stick2 or what? im thinking about buying a good stick with about $80 budget... seems like the hori fighting stick2 is the best choice i have... unless someone else have any suggestions?

Alax.cool.

09-14-2005, 05:25 PM

Are you sure? I've check and the hori T5 is like 30 bux more!

109 without tax
http://www.ncsxshop.com/cgi-bin/shop/search.html?mv_profile=searchstring&mv_sort_field=title&mv_matchlimit=10&mv_search_page=search_results&mv_searchspec=hori+tekken+5

sold out dont know price
http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=22&products_id=6524&

sold out too dont know price
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-77-x-15-hori%2Btekken%2B5-70-imt.html

hori fighting stick 2 only $75 w/ shipping included
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-15-hori+stick-70-4ra.html

are you sure it's the same price? because i checked and no way are they the same... anyways T5 hori is better than hori fighting stick2 or what? im thinking about buying a good stick with about $80 budget... seems like the hori fighting stick2 is the best choice i have... unless someone else have any suggestions?

I'm talking about the American T5 HORI (HORI stick and HORI buttons). You can get those in the Tekken 5 bundle. The bundle is about $80-$90, and you get the game, the stick, and a dvd case. You can find the bundles at EB, Frys, Gamestop, etc. The game alone still sells for $49.99 at EB for some reason... so be a nice guy and sell it for 40. Bam, you just got yourself a nice moddable stick for $50.

Check the first post for more info on modding it.

two2tone

09-14-2005, 06:05 PM

I'm talking about the American T5 HORI (HORI stick and HORI buttons). You can get those in the Tekken 5 bundle. The bundle is about $80-$90, and you get the game, the stick, and a dvd case. You can find the bundles at EB, Frys, Gamestop, etc. The game alone still sells for $49.99 at EB for some reason... so be a nice guy and sell it for 40. Bam, you just got yourself a nice moddable stick for $50.

Check the first post for more info on modding it.

so i have to sell the game to make the money back? darn hahaha shoot... how in the world am i gonna sell it? does anyone actually buys T5?...

ranny

09-15-2005, 06:39 AM

Hi, guys... I owned a original HRAP and planning on getting another HRAP, say HRAP Special Addition or Special Edition...

But I can only choose one out of SA and SE..., so which one is worth getting? Which one is better? Sorry for noobs questions... I'd really appreciates if you guys can guide me... Thanks in advance...

TheRealNeoGeo

09-15-2005, 08:08 AM

ranny
They are not for sale anymore. If you know where to get it then get what suites you best, black (sanwa) or white (seimitsu).

ranny

09-15-2005, 08:23 AM

ranny
They are not for sale anymore. If you know where to get it then get what suites you best, black (sanwa) or white (seimitsu).

I'll try my luck getting them through TGS2005 coming this September...

I heard Seimitsu joystick/button is great for shooters, I wonder how it works for fighting game especially Tekken 5...

One thing I'm not sure is whether the Special Edition is being sold at TGS2005..., if only I understand what the japanese words in this link (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/rannies/tgs2005_32.jpg) are saying...

TheRealNeoGeo

09-15-2005, 09:14 AM

The seimitsustick will not be sold at tokyogameshow, just the black sanwa (and the hrap2). You can order it there and they ship it home to you (if you live in Japan).

ranny

09-15-2005, 09:48 AM

The seimitsustick will not be sold at tokyogameshow, just the black sanwa (and the hrap2). You can order it there and they ship it home to you (if you live in Japan).

Then I guess I can't get it afterall... Anyway, thanks...

tru3tn01

09-16-2005, 05:44 PM

I know that the special editions are all gone, but is any place going to get more standard hraps in the future? (All the stores listed on the first page are sold out.)

TheRealNeoGeo

09-18-2005, 07:15 AM

I have one SA and can maybe get another (both are brand new)...

Phix

09-24-2005, 06:06 AM

Can any one tell me whats good to buff/polish scratches out of a mirror toped HRAP .
Cheers Phix :tup:

FurryCurry

09-28-2005, 10:37 AM

COMING SOON!

Exciting new HRAP stick, Soul Calibur III edition! Same great price as the other HRAP (80).
http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=0&products_id=7737&
Nov. 23 is what Lik-Sang says.

So since I don't own a HRAP yet I want to know if you guys think this one will be like the classic mirror top HRAP that is sold out (and probably for good). I know there has been special editons of these sticks with every new fighting game that comes out it seems. Have all of the japanese special edition HRAP been exactly the same as the original mirror top HRAP like how lik-sang describes on their site? I'd like to know because I'll probably purchase this SCIII SE HRAP in Nov but only if it meets the same stanards of quality that the mirror top one does.

Also does the smartjoy plus work with HRAPs?

Sorry if this sort of question has been asked before. Things can get a little confusing for stick noobs like me.

Phil McFly

09-28-2005, 12:33 PM

Judging from the look and the past hori soul cal stick (Soul Calibur II stick)... i think that's gonna be like the Tekken 5 stick... buttons soldere'd to the pcb... no turbo switches.

It looks real nice tho

-McFly

Alax.cool.

09-28-2005, 06:52 PM

The way the buttons are mapped looks odd. Loving the colors though.

Phil McFly

09-28-2005, 07:12 PM

Oh yea it's gonna have the soul calibur layout too i forgot

prolly

L1[]/\O
L2XR1R2

the colors are awesome i'm gettin one

-McFly

**Skimitar**

09-28-2005, 08:42 PM

http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=22&products_id=7406&

is that one as good as the HORI stick?

Alax.cool.

09-28-2005, 08:50 PM

http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=22&products_id=7406&

is that one as good as the HORI stick?

Looks like a COMPLETE piece of shit to me. Get a HRAP. :karate:

**Skimitar**

09-28-2005, 09:34 PM

Looks like a COMPLETE piece of shit to me. Get a HRAP. :karate:

Look's like the HORI if you ask me....

has anyone bought it and tried it out?

well i got my stick in today!
and it works good look's like the stick is not the best one... but that's replacible with the Sawna parts:tup:

Overall i like it.

Alax.cool.

09-28-2005, 09:43 PM

A friend of mine bought a HORI stick that looked like that. Turbo switches, start, and select button was on the lower middle area of the stick. Still sucked. Buttons were firm to the press, stick wasnt very responsive, and the balltop was small. Not to mention, it was really light, so it moved around ALOT during play, if you put it on your lap. Small size + small balltop = not cool for a 6' guy with large hands. =/

fjf314

09-28-2005, 09:57 PM

A friend of mine has the Hori Fighting Stick II. I'm not a big stick user, but I thought that it was decent. It's not on the same level as the HRAP, but that's only to be expected considering how much it costs in comparison to the HRAP. With his, though, the buttons definitely weren't firm, they were relatively soft.

The biggest problem for me was also the size. It's just really smell and thus does have a tendency to move around if you play with the stick on your lap.

Akky

09-29-2005, 04:44 AM

COMING SOON!

Exciting new HRAP stick, Soul Calibur III edition! Same great price as the other HRAP (80).
http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=0&products_id=7737&
Nov. 23 is what Lik-Sang says.
http://namco-ch.net/goods/license_latest.php
The site above says that "Exact Same Arcade Stick".
So, probably SC3 Stick has the Sanwa Stick.
(At least SC3 Stick released in Japan.)

I think SC3 Stick may have Hori buttons with/without soldering.

Anyway, in Japan, all HRAP series have been with Sanwa Stick,
besides Seimitsu Edition.

Try the site below for the pictures of the sticks' inside.
(Many Sticks in Japan)
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050408/ggl.htm

w0ng

10-03-2005, 05:35 AM

Does anybody have any clue how long play-asia's HRAP has been out of stock for?

FurryCurry

10-03-2005, 05:58 AM

Does anybody have any clue how long play-asia's HRAP has been out of stock for?

Play-Asia and Lik-Sang... At least two months. By now you'd think they would have restocked but I guess not. Maybe HORI's efforts are being focused on other stuff? Strange though, I know that HORI had to be pulling in tons of money from import gamers.

Phil McFly

10-03-2005, 06:55 AM

Yea even eBay has none. I put a new one up 4 days ago at Buy it Now at $120.00 + $20.00 shipping in a day and it was swiped immediately.

-McFly

w0ng

10-03-2005, 07:27 AM

Yeh, what's even more of a bitch is that I'm in Australia, making it even harder to find alternative sites/locations to purchase it

TheRealNeoGeo

10-03-2005, 07:55 AM

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100396

Dark Fact

10-03-2005, 10:42 PM

My buddy New Age Of Aces and myself are now the proud owners of the beautiful beasts pictured in the links below: :karate:

http://hometown.aol.com/SHIN%20AKIO/images/dscf0514.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/SHIN%20AKIO/images/dscf0515.jpg

I wish to give huge thanks and kudos to TheRealNeoGeo for all of his help. All of his communication and prompt shipping of these sticks was simply fantastic. I highly recommend doing business with him; especially anyone who is contemplating to purchase an HRAP2 with him- Do not hesitate! :rock: EMS shipping is the best way to go though in my opinion, fast, safe and track-able throughout.
As far as the sticks themselves go, they are truly top-notch, perform flawlessly, and most definitely live up to their reputation! :cool: Those Sanwa parts and the great design on these joysticks really make a great difference from anything I’ve ever used before. What Hori etched onto the stick’s panel next to some of the logos on the lower-left side, “STICK TYPE REAL CONTROLLER”, indeed says it all. :lovin:

TheRealNeoGeo

10-04-2005, 12:23 AM

I am glad you liked them :D.

canoshiz

10-04-2005, 12:38 AM

That's a beastly stick. How much did it cost you total?

Anavel Gato

10-04-2005, 03:50 AM

That's a beastly stick. How much did it cost you total?

Alot...:rofl:

But it was worth it.:tup:

xXxDa_RaGexXx

10-04-2005, 10:20 AM

I just modded my Hrap a couple of days ago. Swapped out the mushy Hori push buttons for Sanwa OBSN-30RG's, and replaced the loose Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK with a tighter more precise Seimitsu Ls-32-01. http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcp06217oz.jpg

I left the Green Hori buttons in there for now so some of my friends can feel the difference between the two. They couldn't understand why I wanted to change those buttons lol now they will see! This is not the final work its actually just a tempary setup just so I can use the parts for now. I have custom art work that goes with the red and white buttons and red ball top. Plus I had a couple of other changes that I wanted to do. http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcp06251ha.jpg
I'll keep you guys posted on my progress.

Alax.cool.

10-07-2005, 12:49 AM

buffi wrote an awesome guide on how to mod the HRAP with sanwa buttons and an eight-way gate. For those who always wondered, - http://www.buffis.com/index.php?page=sanwamod

Guide on how to mod a HRAP with a seimitsu LS-32-01 will be up soon!

Original thread - http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100806

aktham

10-07-2005, 01:04 AM

i am interested in HRAP2 but i all i know about it is it's picture. i would really like some feedback from whoever purchases one. I know RNG will come through if you purchase one through him, but it the actual HRAP2 that i need to know more about (Hardware wise since nothing is really confirmed).

Thanks

buffi

10-07-2005, 04:03 AM

xXxDa_RaGexXx

10-07-2005, 06:26 AM

^good shit. I can honestly say that I like seimitsu better then Sanwa. Sanwa is f-ing great i'm not knocking it, but seimitsu seems to be just right for me:party: I was reading alot of posts, and how people were talking about it made it seem like that was the only way to go. So I was going to stick with the JLF already in the HRAP and pass on the LS-32. I'm glad I didn't and took the chance:clap: Then again I can see where people are coming from.....Its all about what you like. I personal use it for fighters and alittle shooters, but most of its time goes towards fighters.

Its beautiful for Third Strike :wow: :tup: :tup: :tup:

buffi

10-07-2005, 06:39 AM

Its complely a matter of taste. I like both actually so I've got one of each ;)

xXxDa_RaGexXx

10-07-2005, 06:43 AM

Thats how its done....but I only got 1 Hrap:sad:

bodyslam123

10-07-2005, 06:58 PM

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-70-10up.html# play-asia might sell them, for 150US though :wow: also theres a link on the page to a hori page with more descriptions I guess

can anyone translate....whats it say about the SA/SE? the buttons sanwa? whys it cost so?

TheRealNeoGeo

10-08-2005, 02:03 AM

I sell it for 106us$.

Akky

10-08-2005, 09:58 AM

also theres a link on the page to a hori page with more descriptions I guess

can anyone translate....whats it say about the SA/SE? the buttons sanwa? whys it cost so?
The site says:
-HRAP New Version for arcade fans, HORISTORE.COM exclusive
-Arcade perfect button layout
-Favorably-received Top Panel Design (Same as SA/SE)
-Hi-end stick for professional

...And, try the thread below. I wrote about HRAP2 a bit.
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98650
-HRAP2 has JLF-TP-8Y-SK and, Hori-buttons with quick disconnects.
-HRAP2 has Mount plate ready for Seimitsu joystick.

(By the way, maybe SK=Shafuto Kabaa=Shaft Cover. :D)

R0B0T

10-08-2005, 01:26 PM

R0B0T

10-08-2005, 01:35 PM

dontblink

10-09-2005, 05:33 PM

hey, do you guys know where to get the "wind spirit" converter for ps2 to usb? I've looked everywhere and cant find it.

bodyslam123

10-09-2005, 09:30 PM

Why does the SA use the OBSF-30RG which has the longer microswitches vs the OBSF-30? And what is the general preference here with the snap-in vs the screw-in? To both of the questions: Why one over the other?

And do Sanwa come with different color button rings like the Seimitsu buttons on the SE?

TheRealNeoGeo, do you have access to all of the above or should I just choose colors from the OBSF-30?

edit: search is my friend= http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98245&highlight=snap+screw

sounds like snap-in is ideal for the hrap's but it's not the majority. guess it depends on what colors are available for each...

I'd still like to know about why the SA uses the longer microswitches and should I....and that if you, TheRealNeoGeo, have access to Sanwa's with different colored button "rings"? Hope it's not too late . We're about to order aint we! :D

TheRealNeoGeo

10-09-2005, 10:39 PM

Switch Blade

10-10-2005, 04:24 AM

The Sanwa RG`s have bigger microswitch thus giving it longer lastingtime (and a little different feel when playing). Snap or screw, doesn`t matter but there are a little more colors available in snap-ins:
http://arkadesticks.com/obsf.bmp
Sanwa does NOT come with different color on buttonring but you can swap for excample a red buttons ring and a white buttons button (did I say that right?) and you have a red ring with white button.
I have access to all colors that sanwa makes.
Also, you are not to late, I will order all week so no problem.Do you have Sanwa buttons and sticks? I would also buy some. Do you know what shipping would cost from Sweden to Germany?

I checked out your website www.arkadesticks.com
WoW, that Kazuya command stick is of the hook :wow:
Where did you get the ball top. It looks so stylish :clap:

greetz

TheRealNeoGeo

10-10-2005, 04:31 AM

Switch Blade
I can get you sanwa joysticks and buttons et.c but it shipps from Japan, not Sweden. What you need (send email to: answer@arkadesticks.com)?

Switch Blade

10-10-2005, 04:58 AM

Switch Blade
I can get you sanwa joysticks and buttons et.c but it shipps from Japan, not Sweden. What you need (send email to: answer@arkadesticks.com)?
Ah, ok.
So this means, you can get them all the time. Because I wanted to purchase some from Himura Amusements, but they don't have them temporarely. I'm looking for the cheapest way to import good sanwa sticks and buttons.

I'll send you a email :smile:

Dark Fact

10-13-2005, 06:59 PM

It's been great to finally own and use an HRAP; this stick definitely delivers on performance; at least offline that's for sure.
But since I'm also looking to use the HRAP for online gaming (on titles such as CVS2 and KOF2K3 on Xbox LIVE); I'm still struggling with finding the right PS2->XBOX Adapter.
I've read these threads thoroughly, and have seen how most people recommend either the MagicBox or the DragonBox.
I myself already happen to own a MagicBox, which does indeed function perfectly fine offline, but online it seems to generate response delay and doesn't strike me as the best option. :confused:
So what of the most recommended adapter the DragonBox? Does anyone happen to own it? If so how is it in comparison for Xbox LIVE? Could you post pictures of it? (I have no idea what that adapter looks like). And could anyone tell me where I can find & purchase it?
Anyway, this is a question for those of you who own an HRAP and also use it to play on Xbox LIVE; I'd like to hear some feedback and suggestions on this matter. Thanks to all in advance who can help! :cool:

spoon

10-14-2005, 08:00 AM

uh...if the connection from the HRAP -> converter -> Xbox is lagless offline, then shouldn't it be lagless online also, since being connected to a network shouldnt affect that link at all?

Are you sure the lag you're feeling isnt just the usual network lag you get from like, being connected to the internet and all (ie Xbox -> (lag) -> server)? :P

Superking

10-17-2005, 12:36 AM

Any updates on the HRAP2 and SC3 HRAP? Because I'll update the first post with any new confirmed info on them.

Hellmonkey

10-17-2005, 12:57 AM

Is there anywhere online that is selling HRAP to the US currently? Play-asia has had it backordered for a while, and I can't find anywhere else reliable.

TheRealNeoGeo

10-17-2005, 01:01 AM

Hellmonkey
I think I can get them fromHoristore in Japan, they still sell it. What the total cost would be, I don`t know.

Hellmonkey

10-17-2005, 06:37 AM

Hellmonkey
I think I can get them fromHoristore in Japan, they still sell it. What the total cost would be, I don`t know.
I'd think that it would be too much to have it shipped to sweden and then to the USA, although if it's under 100 dollars total I'd do it in a heartbeat (i have a feeling it'd be more)

TheRealNeoGeo

10-17-2005, 06:40 AM

It i shipped directly from Japan, but the shipping cost is high from Japan.

T-Rez

10-19-2005, 04:55 AM

Quick question about the HRAP 2. Can the start and select buttons be swapped out for Sanwa OBSF-24? I really don't like the yellow buttons that it comes with.

galfordo

10-19-2005, 05:03 AM

Any updates on the HRAP2 and SC3 HRAP? Because I'll update the first post with any new confirmed info on them.

HRAP 2 is confirmed to have a Sanwa joystick (same as HRAP 1, I assume) and Hori buttons (NOT Sanwas).

Quick question about the HRAP 2. Can the start and select buttons be swapped out for Sanwa OBSF-24? I really don't like the yellow buttons that it comes with.

Not sure about this, but I'll let you guys know when I get my Sanwa buttons in the mail.

Superking

10-19-2005, 04:06 PM

First post is updated with new HRAP2 and SC3 RAP info.

Got the HRAP2 info from Hori's official page too.

http://hori.jp/products/ps2/controller/realarc_pro2/index.html

Can't confirm if it has qds until someone opens it up, but it's safe to assume that it has them.

buffi

10-20-2005, 02:02 PM

It i shipped directly from Japan, but the shipping cost is high from Japan.

If the package weighs under 2kg you can send it as SAL (surface air lift i belive) which was very cheap and simple... If you just ask the clerks to send a package they hook you up with regular parcel which is more expensive though. SAL is the way to go.

TheRealNeoGeo

10-21-2005, 01:32 AM

buffi
I think it weighs over 2.7Kg.

fubarduck

10-22-2005, 10:15 AM

Edo

10-23-2005, 04:25 PM

Does anyoen know what the Sega Virtua Stick for the PS2 use? Supposedly it uses all the stuff from the Sega Arcade Cabinets.

http://www.lik-sang.com/image.php?category=22&products_id=6508&img=ps2-virtua-stick

Well the SC3 stick see a stateside release like the SC2 stick did?

Demon Dash

10-24-2005, 08:37 AM

How easy is it to replace the buttons in the hrap2 with sanwa ones? I've never done any modification before and don't really have a clue what to buy or what to do.

curryInfection

10-24-2005, 03:13 PM

Hey. Thanks for putting up all of this great info on hori real arcade sticks, but I was wondering if I could get help with this hori Soul Caliber II stick:
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-77-8-15-hori%2Bsoul-70-26m-43-3.html
I'm pretty sure it is has stock hori sticks and buttons, but I was wondering if I could or should mod this or just stick with it/ buy another stick.

fubarduck

10-26-2005, 09:05 AM

Here's a question I'd like to see answered:

What is the size of the screw bits used to hold in the top panel of an HRAP in MM? I tried a 4.5 MM bit screwdriver but it was too small. I'd try different ones, but I don't want to drag my HRAP all the way to the tool store just to find out something this small.

Thanks!

The size is 7MM, so a 7MM nut screwdriver will get the HRAP's top panel screws out. This is a much better alternative than pliers, since the space inside the HRAP to unscrew these screws is so narrow. Might be worth adding this to the first post, it really makes opening the HRAP easier and MUCH faster.

Hydra632

10-27-2005, 10:42 AM

www.japanvideogames.com has the original HRAP and the CFJ HRAP in stock. HRAP for 119 and the HRAP CFJ for 109, just got my HRAP in the mail today, should be getting the CFJ one early next week.

Edit: The CFJ stick is out of stock, my bad.

Deuteros

10-31-2005, 06:14 AM

This is my first post in the SRK forums so greetings to everyone!

Let me start by saying I don't know much about sticks, and what I do know I learned in the last couple of weeks. The only stick I have is some obscure model by Agetec/Ascii for the PS1 (which is OK, by my standards).

Here's what I'd like to know: is the 2nd version HRAP significantly better than the 1st version?

The only differences I could find (based on the 1st post) are:

- The mirror top on v1 (which I guess I can live with. I don't wear rings that might scratch it and I'm usually a careful owner).

- The button layout (I think I can get used to either layout. The more curved layout of the v1 seems more 'natural', but I can't speak from experience).

- The button placement (The placement used on the v1 strikes me as more intuitive, with the L1/L2 and R1/R2 buttons to the sides of the four main buttons. On the v2 they chose to place L1/L2/R1/R2 to the right of the four main buttons, plus the 'R' buttons are placed left of the 'L' buttons, which I just think is odd).

What do you guys think of this?

Mayhem

10-31-2005, 11:12 AM

I bought the Game-Elements by Gemini Universal Controller Adapter (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8230140444), packaging said it "works with steering wheels and joysticks" and cheap enough to not worry about monetary loss. Can't really test it on the GameCube since I have no games suitable for arcade sticks, but during a brief Dead Or Alive 3 session on the Xbox I didn't notice any lag whatsoever when used with my (still unmodded, Sanwa buttons should arrive next week) HRAP1. If you're planning on buying though you should probably make sure you get the same adapter I did in red packaging, there is an identical adapter sold (often slightly cheaper) in orange packaging which I'm guessing is an earlier model as it doesn't bear the text proclaiming joystick compatibility.

DaleNixon

11-07-2005, 06:06 AM

Do the HRAPs come with octogonal restrictor plates on the joysticks? I've been told this is vital, but I don't have much experience with Japanese sticks. I'm thinking about getting a HRAP 2 and putting sanwa buttons in it. Would I also need to put an octogonal restrictor plate on the joystick? Anyone have any thoughts on this matter?

spoon

11-07-2005, 07:08 AM

The Sanwa JLF fitted in the HRAP2 comes with a square gate by default, so yes, you will need to get an additional octagonal gate if that's what you're looking for.

DaleNixon

11-07-2005, 03:00 PM

What are the benefits of an octogonal gate vs. a square gate? Should I start a thread?

spoon

11-07-2005, 03:31 PM

Nah. The topic's been discussed numerous times before. If you do a search you'll probally come up with something.

I can't speak from personal experience about the octagonal, but looking at the gates, it seems like if you move the stick in 360 degree motions you'll find that using the square gate feels, well....like a square. You know exactly when you hit the diagonals, so you'll be less likely to miss a 623 motion.

An octagonal gate on the other hand is 'smoother' at doing the 360 motions. You won't feel the diagonals as easily, but alot of people say an octagonal gate helps with their halfcircle and 360 executions.

Given, it's definately not impossible to do 360 motions on a square gate and DP's on a octagonal gate, but the differences are there. Since purchasing an additional octagonal gate is pretty inexpensive ($5usd from himuragames.com), imo you'd be best off getting both the HRAP2 you want that comes with a square gate stock and an additional octagonal gate from whereever you're getting your buttons from, so you'll be able to try them both out for yourself.

xXxDa_RaGexXx

11-08-2005, 09:44 PM

I prefer square gates

DevilJin 01

11-09-2005, 01:25 PM

I prefer square gates

Yeah, I don't mind either or. I like how with the square gate you feel something solid when you hit the diagonals. Helps you to figure out where the diagonals are better.

DaleNixon

11-11-2005, 01:35 PM

Interesting... I've never heard arguments FOR square gates before. I'm new to the whole jap-stick thing though.

ni-ten

11-11-2005, 11:47 PM

I am also helpless without square.
I def. need the four corners and the shorter ways.
Octagonal is quite handy if 360°/720° motions are your thing.

Michaelm

11-14-2005, 09:04 PM

Lik-Sang has restocked the original Hori Real Arcade Pro.
I just ordered mine. You may grab the rest ;)

Atb_555

11-21-2005, 12:07 PM

Quick questions: Is Sanwa JLF different to a normal Sanwa sticks? Also whats Sanwa Flash?

TheRealNeoGeo

11-21-2005, 12:28 PM

Atb_555
The Sanwa JLF is standard today when used in cabs and sticks (HRAP).
Flash1-joysticks is an optical-joystick and is not for sale anymore.

Bare Knuckle 2

12-14-2005, 01:00 AM

I've searched just about everywhere trying to find a Wind Spirit PSX to USB adapter and can't find one.Where did you guys find yours?

GottMitUns

12-22-2005, 05:54 PM

Hi I`ve Got the HRAP and I have some questions
:
1-I want to change the restirct plate from square shaped to octagonal shape what do I need t buy and what is the best stick and parts for this.

2- I would Like to change the buttons, what is the best buttons out there and can I change the buttons places to make it Like HRAP2+ can I change the Button frame color+ Can I change the turbo panel color.

3- Is there any way to change the faceplate?

4- I know that you would say: F*** YOU why don`t you get a new stick

Mayhem

12-23-2005, 02:59 AM

I want to change the restirct plate from square shaped to octagonal shape what do I need t buy and what is the best stick and parts for this.
Buy a GT-Y (http://www.himuragames.com/store_joyacc.php) and just swap it in.

I would Like to change the buttons, what is the best buttons out there
The best would be Sanwa OBSF/OBSN-30RG (http://www.sanwa-d.co.jp/p_p-button.htm) or Seimitsu PS-14-GX/GXN (http://www.seimitsu.co.jp/button/index.htm). Those are pretty expensive, you'll do fine with any regular Sanwa or Seimitsu button.

can I change the Button frame color
Possibly if you bought two sets of buttons in different colors and combine the parts but that hardly seems worth the money. Some Seimitsu buttons can be bought pre-fitted with a black bezel though.

Can I change the turbo panel color.
I suppose you can disassemble the turbo panel and repaint them.

can I change the buttons places to make it Like HRAP2
Is there any way to change the faceplate?
Not without swapping faceplates with a HRAP2 (or Japanese Tekken 5 stick) or building a new faceplate from scratch.

I know that you would say: F*** YOU why don`t you get a new stick
Indeed, if you wanted it to be more like a HRAP2 why didn't you buy one of those instead? :rolleyes:

GottMitUns

12-23-2005, 05:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by GottMitUns
I know that you would say: F*** YOU why don`t you get a new stick
Indeed, if you wanted it to be more like a HRAP2 why didn't you buy one of those instead?

Lol, Mayhem ya know the HRAP2 is 149$ and the HRAP is 79$ and I`m Really thankfull

GottMitUns

12-23-2005, 06:41 AM

Hey Mayhem dude in the link that u gave me there was some things that i didn`t understand..

色：R/Y/B/O/P/G/DB/VI
and there were some slots in the right side where I can put numbers in it what is this
+ what is the diference between the seimetsu ps14 gx and gxn??

Mayhem

12-23-2005, 07:05 AM

R/Y/B/O/P/G/DB/VI
Those indicate the available colors for each type of button. You can see which colors the codes correspond to here (http://www.sanwa-d.co.jp/p_pbutton_color.htm).

and there were some slots in the right side where I can put numbers in it what is this
Those are for customers placing orders through Sanwa's website I believe, they only ship to Japan though so you likely can't order directly from them. Your best bet is to either order from Himura (http://www.himuragames.com/home.php) or contact TheRealNeoGeo on this forum, the latter can get you anything from Sanwa or Seimitsu shipped directly from Japan.

what is the diference between the seimetsu ps14 gx and gxn??
The difference lies in how you mount them in the panel, GX is snap-in type (has "wings" on the sides to keep the button in place) while GXN is screw-in type (fastened with a nut). The same goes for Sanwa's OBSF (snap-in) versus OBSN (screw-in) by the way. GXN is also available with a clear plunger. Either will work fine for you, snap-ins are generally a bit cheaper. I used regular Sanwa OBSN-30 for my own (http://www.f.kth.se/~mayhem/joystick/hrap/) HRAPs.

GottMitUns

12-23-2005, 09:00 AM

Mayhem you are really helpful Thank you very very very much but I have 3 things more.

1- The Stick what is the best stick out there+ how can I take the ball from the top of it?

2- which size do I take for the ball the regular or the mini?

3- About the Start and Select Buttons what do you recommend?

Mayhem

12-23-2005, 11:30 AM

The Stick what is the best stick out there
I haven't tried many models, so far I personally prefer the Sanwa JLF (which comes standard in the HRAP) though with an octagonal restrictor (which it seems you already planned to switch in). The Seimitsu LS-32-01 is another good choice if you want a smaller deadzone, lesser throw and stiffer spring but there's no octagonal restrictor available for it. Unless you're somehow unhappy with the JLF I'd say keep playing!

how can I take the ball from the top of it?
To remove the balltop you'll have to open the stick and keep the shaft from rotating with a flathead screwdriver. Another forum member already made a dead-simple guide (http://www.buffis.com/index.php?page=sanwamod) which covers everything you're looking to do to your HRAP, so take a look at it.

which size do I take for the ball the regular or the mini?
The ball you currently have is a regular 35 mm, so I guess that's what you want if you're happy with the size. Seimitsu has some snazzy translucent balltops (http://www.seimitsu.co.jp/leverballhollplug/index.htm) if you haven't seen them. Also, Sanwa has compatible bat-tops (http://www.sanwa-d.co.jp/p_joy-stick5.htm) if those are more your thing.

About the Start and Select Buttons what do you recommend?
Any regular 24 mm button from Sanwa (OBSF/OBSN-24) or Seimitsu (PS-14-D/DN) will fit fine, just be sure to pick one from the same manufacturer as your 30 mm buttons of choice if you want perfect color matching.

leaveal

12-24-2005, 07:36 AM

you can change the color of ANYTHING with paint, GottMitUns. works very well with button frames, because no one will ever notice a bad button frame paint job.

Demon Dash

12-24-2005, 08:16 AM

Will the seimitsu PS-14-K fit in the HRAP2? They look pretty good.

Mayhem

12-24-2005, 11:03 AM

Will the seimitsu PS-14-K fit in the HRAP2? They look pretty good.
Their diameter is 30 mm so yeah they ought to fit perfectly.

Gen-An

12-24-2005, 09:51 PM

http://new29hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/kyoutai/tekken5stick.html

The author of the site shows two different methods for modding the buttons on the Japanese T5 stick; one is to simply change the switches on the buttons from the Hori ones to the Sanwa ones while the other is a bit more traditional, changing the acutal buttons out.

leaveal

12-25-2005, 08:11 AM

i've tried changing switches before.
i did it with the buttons of the T4 stick and the HFS2, but both sucked. they felt rather flimsy and fake. besides, if you had Sanwa switches, you'd probably have the buttons too.

Nives

01-02-2006, 09:46 AM

So I am in Taiwan now, looking for a stick. I am trying to decide.

What is the major differences between the HRAP and the HRAP 2?

Also, is there any real difference between the HRAP and the SC3 Edition HRAP other than the differences listed (button layout, and soldered buttons)? How does having the buttons soldered into the PCB make a difference? (sorry I am very new to this, I don't even know what a PCB is)

Ultimately, in opinion, between the HRAP 1 and the SC3 Edition HRAP, which should i buy?

Superking

01-02-2006, 10:58 AM

So I am in Taiwan now, looking for a stick. I am trying to decide.

What is the major differences between the HRAP and the HRAP 2?

Read the first post.

Also, is there any real difference between the HRAP and the SC3 Edition HRAP other than the differences listed (button layout, and soldered buttons)?

Again read the first post.

How does having the buttons soldered into the PCB make a difference? (sorry I am very new to this, I don't even know what a PCB is)

PCB = Printed Circuit Board.

Basically, when the buttons are soldered onto the PCB, you would have to desolder them to replace them and then resolder the new buttons back onto the PCB using a soldering iron or whatever you like.

With the buttons being connected via quickdisconnects, this allows you to easily and quickly remove the buttons and replace them anytime.

Ultimately, in opinion, between the HRAP 1 and the SC3 Edition HRAP, which should i buy?

HRAP1, because of the button layout and the buttons aren't soldered onto the PCB. BUT since you don't know that much and really can't tell the difference nor would care to tell the difference, just get either.

Nives

01-02-2006, 06:59 PM

Thanks for the help.

i just wanted to know if there was any difference between them that wasn't necessarily listed, because the price difference between an HRAP 2 and an HRAP 1 is nearly double and it just seems like the button layout is differenct.

Special Addition HRAP has a sanwa stick and sanwa buttons and its $115, which is much more pricier than the HRAP. Is $35 more worth it for just the sanwa buttons and button scheme?

How does sanwa, seimitsu, and hori parts compare to each other?

This question seems to get asked a lot, and it never really gets answered:

Where do you buy a wind spirit psx to pc usb converter?

Mayhem

01-03-2006, 01:50 AM

i just wanted to know if there was any difference between them that wasn't necessarily listed, because the price difference between an HRAP 2 and an HRAP 1 is nearly double and it just seems like the button layout is differenct.
The price is actually the same, what causes the difference is that the HRAP2 is only available from Hori's Japanese online store. Any retailer who wishes to stock it must therefore order it like a regular consumer instead of at bulk pricing which naturally makes it darn expensive at the time they sell it to you.

Special Addition HRAP has a sanwa stick and sanwa buttons and its $115, which is much more pricier than the HRAP. Is $35 more worth it for just the sanwa buttons and button scheme?
If you can find a HRAP SA at that price then I'd say it is definitely worth the difference. Considering those are RG buttons you probably couldn't do such a mod cheaper yourself.

How does sanwa, seimitsu, and hori parts compare to each other?
As to be expected Hori are the worst, they're simply not designed to survive the amount of punishment any premium arcade part can without affecting performance. The general opinion seems to be Sanwa makes better buttons than Seimitsu, but when it comes to stick it is all about your personal preference.

Nives

01-03-2006, 06:24 AM

Ah thanks Kyoji and Mayhem.

That actually clear things up a lot, I was asking about other differences other than the ones listed in the first post cuz of the price differences I found. The listed differences just didn't seem to justify for the price, and I actually don't know if paying the difference would be more expensive than trying to mod it myself.

And I guess the wind spirit converter is still very much unknown.

HDTran

01-11-2006, 08:16 PM

What type of quick disconnect terminals would be used for the microswitches on a typical Sanwa button?

I'm currently looking at http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/43053900.htm from Happs and I'm not sure which one would work, or if any would work at all, so if someone can direct me to which quick disconnects to get or where to get em, that will help a lot. Thanks.

metrock1

01-11-2006, 11:41 PM

I dunno if this has been mentioned yet bout putting a sanwa into the US tekken 5 stick. I really got the idea from Arm on himarus site. Its for putting the JLF-TP-8Y into it. On the guide it says to grind down a part of the base and then cut the screws. I believe this was spiifyshoes method.

The way I did mine was I cut holes into the clear gate. I drilled the holes where the little pin that sticks into the micro switch. I guess its like a guide so everything stays in place. And there is a small indent there already so you cant go wrong. I used a dremel cutter 1/8" for the hole. Once cut the stock screws fit perfect. I dunno if this way will affect performance, I have yet to test my stick out as Im still modding it.

Superking

01-11-2006, 11:52 PM

HeLGeN-X

01-12-2006, 11:10 PM

If I buy this, once I take it out the box, is it already a good arcade stick? Because I really can't pay more than what that cost at the moment, but I really need a good arcade stick. Does anyone recommend this one?

Superking

01-13-2006, 05:09 PM

If you are talking about the HRAP or any of its variants (Not including the US Tekken 5 stick since that is NOT a HRAP), then yes it is a really good stick. It's the best off the shelf stock stick out there really.

HeLGeN-X

01-15-2006, 03:08 PM

The one I was considering getting is the one that has green buttons and a green ball stick. Which version is that? I don't know how to tell the version or anything, well even though, is that one good? I don't another twin blaze stick LOL.

http://image4.play-asia.com/350/PA.07635.001.jpg

VManOfMana

01-15-2006, 08:52 PM

That's HRAP 1.

Demon Dash

01-16-2006, 04:59 AM

Ok, I've just got my snap-ins and before I go wiring anything, I just want to make sure on one thing. There's two wires per button right? Does it matter which way round I wire it? You know, does it matter which way the micro-switch is?

TheRealNeoGeo

01-16-2006, 07:03 AM

Demon Dash
No, just hook it up how you want.

ragnafrak

01-16-2006, 01:15 PM

Guys, this isn't so much hrap related, but if you're looking for good prices on quick disconnects, this guy on ebay has em for under $5 shipped for a 100 of either size.

sanwa buttons (.110):
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Red-Female-Quick-Disconnect-0-110-22-18-Gauge-QD03_W0QQitemZ5853466882QQcategoryZ50549QQcmdZView Item
happ buttons/sticks (.187):
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Blue-Female-Quick-Disconnect-0-187-16-14-Gauge-QD07_W0QQitemZ5853467092QQcategoryZ50549QQcmdZView Item

You can select the cheaper shipping after you buy the item. I just got 100 of each for $8.38 shipped.

Superking

01-16-2006, 05:10 PM

Nives

01-18-2006, 10:18 PM

Hey, I got my HRAP and I kind of want to do my own art for the face, or at least find some place where I can change the face.

I was wondering, how would I go about doing that? Like, getting the exact dimensions of the face. Or is there a source where I can get a plate that fits precisely over the face so then I can do the art more easily? I know how to take it apart and change it out, it is just I don't know what the best way to do the art would be, or if there is a source where I can buy art to put on it.

Suupaa

01-21-2006, 06:33 PM

Hey guys, I have a HRAP2, and am trying to find a converter for xbox and usb. I saw that you guys say the magic box works for HRAP1, is it the same? And what could be a usb converter?

DreamDateDoug

01-22-2006, 09:35 AM

TheRealNeoGeo

01-22-2006, 01:15 PM

DreamDateDoug
You need 30mm buttons.

Shekeib

01-22-2006, 07:44 PM

Hey guys, I have a HRAP2, and am trying to find a converter for xbox and usb. I saw that you guys say the magic box works for HRAP1, is it the same? And what could be a usb converter?

Yeah, magicbox worked perfectly from my HRAP2 to xbox

Superking

01-30-2006, 08:33 AM

Hey, I'm gonna buy some Sanwa buttons for my HRAP. I don't really feel a need to change the stock stick, seeing as it's pretty good already, but the buttons could stand a change.

http://www.himuragames.com/store_buttons.php

I'm probably gonna order from here, but do I need 24mm or 30 mm buttons?

Why would you need to change the stock stick, when the stock is already a Sanwa. Unless you're referring to all those Seimitsu LS-32 mods. :confused:

Anyway you'll need the 30mm buttons, screw in or snap in, it doesn't matter, but I can see how screw ins are more somewhat more convenient.

ParryAll

02-02-2006, 06:27 PM

Play-Asia.com has HRAP 2's in stock.

They are 99$. The catch? 50 dollars shipping.

A couple people told me it was a good price still, so I picked one up. I hope I didn't get ripped off :(

Anyone know if that is a good price?

ParryAll

02-03-2006, 01:10 PM

Damn looks like I bought one of the last ones. They just went on backorder today....

I guess it was a good deal cause they sold out pretty fast.

J-ride

02-05-2006, 04:56 PM

Question: I made a few american style custom sticks, but I've been digging the jap style for a while because they are much easier to take to someones house, so my question is, I hate 8 button jsticks, does sanwa (or somebody) make a button hole filler like happ does? This is what I am talking about.

http://www.happcontrols.com/pushbuttons/52621200.htm

That way I could just put my hand there and know its not the button. I think the rest of the mod would be pretty easy for me. Thanks in advance.

Or if someone could tell me where I could get a jstick with the DC agetec layout, that would be even better

leaveal

02-05-2006, 05:09 PM

Yes, there are button plugs for japanese sticks. i don't know where to get them, but i've seen more than a few. some even have "Capcom" written on them.

ULTRAMAN

02-06-2006, 09:10 PM

AAAAH help! Theres something wrong with my T5 RAP. I was training in third strike today, perhaps i trained too hard. Now my stick is sometimes making this squeeky noise instead of a click. I opened my joystick but have no idea whats wrong with it. I also tried unscrewing those 4 screws on the gate but its hard as hell....:looney:

gulpofpimpjuice

02-07-2006, 01:16 PM

Superking

02-21-2006, 03:32 AM

I'm a stick newb and have a couple questions.

1. I am planing on selling my SFAC and U.S. T5 and buying a Jap. T5.

-How easy is it to mod the stick and buttons with Seimetsu's. (Does you need a solder?)(Does it matter which Seimetsu's I use or will the process be the same)

Read the first post.

-Does the Jap T5 use quick dissconnects

Read the first post.

-Are modding the buttons as easy as disconnecting the dissconnects ,switching the buttons and reconnecting the quick dissconects

Like I said above.

-I read that a Seimetsu Stick has to be situated differently to fit, is this the same for the T5

Most likely yes.

2. Are there any sticks the can be bought that use Seimetsu stick and buttons already (that are not the SE HRAP 2)

The SE and HRAP2 are not the same stick to begin with, and the only other commercial made for console stick that had Seimitsu parts was the HSS-0130 Twin Astro Panel for the Saturn. And maybe the Virtua Stick also made by Sega, but I'm not 100% certain on that one, and dunno for either Saturn or PS2 versions of said stick.

No offense or anything, but do you happen to know the difference between Sanwa and Seimitsu, or do you have a preference for either? Or are you just saying you want to use Seimitsu parts to stand out from the Sanwa crowd? :wonder:

blackstar14

02-25-2006, 10:04 AM

I have a US Tekken and a SFAnniversary and I like playing more on the Tekken so I was going to mod it. Problem was when I looked at the mod directions, it seemed harder to do than the HRAP. Also I have no solder, or solder experience. So I have two questions.

The first is if I keep my US Tekken, is it necessary to desolder, or is there another possible route to go. All I really want to do is put a bat top in and maybe switch the buttons to Sei.(sawna's are waayy to touchy for me).

The second is if go and buy a HRAP, how difficult is it to change the face plate. I have read threads about it in the past, but I can't find any of them.

Mayhem

02-25-2006, 11:43 AM

The second is if go and buy a HRAP, how difficult is it to change the face plate. I have read threads about it in the past, but I can't find any of them.
Changing the faceplate on a HRAP wouldn't be difficult at all, but why would you want to and where do you expect to find a replacement? Having a custom faceplate made would be costly, if you want the button layout of a specific HRAP model just buy that one already...

blackstar14

02-25-2006, 01:48 PM

Never said anything bout different button layout, I think the HRAP layout is perfectly fine. I don't have the HRAP yet because first I want to see what the responses to my question would be first then decide after that. I guess when I think about it the faceplate wouldn't be a big deal, but since people always talk about it I kinda thought it was.

moeller61

03-08-2006, 02:37 PM

Alright here is my question, I am thinking of ordering a HRAP, mostly to use on 3s on my xbox, and potentially some other games on the dreamcast. MY problem is that from what I am reading most converters map the white and black buttons the L1 and R1. and the HRAP's layout is

L1 [] /\ R1
L2 x 0 R2

Meaning in 3s on the xbox the only usable buttons are

L1 [] /\ R1
__x 0

Which doesn't seem like the best layout for fighting games. Am I wrong in this, and if not is there a convetor that maps white and black to either L1 and L2 or R1 and R2?

eggy

03-08-2006, 04:43 PM

The second is if go and buy a HRAP, how difficult is it to change the face plate. I have read threads about it in the past, but I can't find any of them.

It's not too difficult. There are 2 ways you could go about doing this.

1 - easier:
just get the artwork you want to put on the face plate and line it up. then use a contact or sticky plastic sheeting to stick it down to the plate. do it just like contacting a book.

2- harder:
rip off the mirror finish (it is just a super thick sticker), then lay your art on top. measure and cut a piece of 0.8mm lexan sheet (polycarbonate resin) and stick that on top.

I believe leaveal has experience with the 1st method (please let me know if i got the wrong person).

I've done the 2nd method and I'm planning on writing an illustrated guide to this sometime. It all depends on when my friend wants to mod his HRAP 1 v1. The method I used involved removing the turbo switches also (less cutting of the lexan sheet).

you can see the work i did on my HRAPs in this thread: http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107975

Oh if your lucky you'll end up getting a HRAP 1 v2, which has the same face plate of the HRAP 2, so there won't be any need to mod the top, unless you want it to look unique =].

Alright here is my question, I am thinking of ordering a HRAP, mostly to use on 3s on my xbox, and potentially some other games on the dreamcast. MY problem is that from what I am reading most converters map the white and black buttons the L1 and R1. and the HRAP's layout is

L1 [] /\ R1
L2 x 0 R2

Meaning in 3s on the xbox the only usable buttons are

L1 [] /\ R1
__x 0

Which doesn't seem like the best layout for fighting games. Am I wrong in this, and if not is there a convetor that maps white and black to either L1 and L2 or R1 and R2?

I used the Magic Box converter with my HRAP 1 and buttons mapped correctly for SF3 IRC. I can't check it now, as my HRAPs are at work hooked up to our Street Fighter setup (just a Dreamcast with SFZ3 and SF3:3S hooked up to VGA box and LCD TV - woot for Dreamcast and native VGA output!)

Desk

03-20-2006, 08:05 AM

Someone brought this up earlier in the thread but I don't think anyone cared.

I've got the new(er) version of a hrap1. from what I can tell the stick mounting plate is quite different from the origional version of the hrap1 (from what I've seen in pics). So does anyone know where I could get a tutorial for putting an LS-32-01/LS-32-02 into this version hrap?

I'm seriously desperate to get this stick in and I took out the origional stick yesterday and replaced my buttons. Now, because I can't be bothered to put the origional stick back in, I can't play 3s. anyone help me out?

cheers.

EDIT: ok, i've put a bit more thought into it and i'm guessing there isn't going to be a quick fix on this. The only thing I can think of doing is drilling in 2 more holes in the mounting plate. But then I have the problem of making sure the stick is exactly centred. Is that the only way?

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a362/deskill/shit.jpg

this is what it looks like

Demon Dash

03-20-2006, 09:05 AM

Desk, so the method I told you wont work on your HRAP?

V4MPIRO

03-20-2006, 07:17 PM

eggy

03-20-2006, 07:32 PM

eggy wrote :

Oh if your lucky you'll end up getting a HRAP 1 v2, which has the same face plate of the HRAP 2, so there won't be any need to mod the top, unless you want it to look unique =].

i got tho one with no mirror top is this good or bad?
also it works perfect with the magicbox converter

Yeah it's good, but from what desk has shown us it could be bad also. Looks like they made it easier to install the LS-32-01/02 (no need to rotate the PCB - i think).

For the LS-32-01/02 as long as the 5 pin connector is facing towards the buttons, then it is correctly positioned/rotated. If you're still not sure, then just plug the 5 pin connector into your LS-32 and see which way is UP, DOWN, LEFT and RIGHT, then you can be 100% sure how the PCB should be mounted.

To be a little more specific I think i remember my LS-32-01/02 having the mounting plate vertical and not horizontal (just like how the new HRAP1 v2 metal plate is designed).

Hope i wasn't too confusing or vague. 'x'

Desk

03-20-2006, 07:45 PM

the main problem I have is actually getting the stick in there. The LS-32-02 is too big to fit in the 'dip' of the mounting plate (meaning that even if I did get it in there, there would be a few cm gap between the stick and the top) and also the holes aren't in the right place to fit LS-32-02.

has nobody had this problem before?

again thanks for any help.

eggy

03-21-2006, 03:29 AM

man... that's a real bastard.... they fixed 1 problem, but then created another one for us Seimitsu lovers. T______T

Do you think HORI don't like us modding the sticks? =[

mrpanda666

03-21-2006, 07:44 AM

what kind of a mounting plate do you have on your ls32-02?

Desk

03-21-2006, 08:09 AM

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a362/deskill/plate.jpg

:(

caliagent#3

04-18-2006, 04:31 PM

what's the best ps2 to xbox converter for HRAP1?

Superking

04-18-2006, 04:36 PM

According to Xbox players, the best one would be the dragonbox.

Taiki

04-21-2006, 07:39 PM

According to Xbox players, the best one would be the dragonbox.

I use the RedOctane converter, haven't had much of a problem.

eggy

04-21-2006, 11:35 PM

it all depends on the games you planning on using your HRAP with. If you're going to play SFAC, then you MUST get a Magic Box converter. It is the ONLY one that works with that game and the HRAP.

It also supports Saturn and Dreamcast pads (<3 jap Saturn pad)
(note: doesn't support Agetec DC stick - AKA Green Goblin - it will only map 4 of the buttons for some reason. @_@)

The only thing bad about the Magic Box is not having any Xbox live headset support. It can only take an Xbox mem card, but not the headset (even if you mod the headset to fit in the mem card slot it still wont work - tested by someone on this board).

There was another one that was good (but still non working with HRAP and SFAC), but i've totally forgotten the name. I remember it was made by BOOM or something like that. It supports Xbox Live headset.

qtseng

04-22-2006, 12:55 PM

I asked this question in the Converter thread but got no response.

What is the consensus on the best PS2-->USB converter for HRAP2? Besides using the stick for all those fighting games in PS2, I want it to also work flawlessly on my PC (for MAME).

Star250

04-27-2006, 01:54 PM

I'm new to the whole stick thing, in fact I haven't touched an arcade stick since SFII. Anyway, I got myself a HARP1 to play ThirdStrike on my PS2, and I love the stick to death, but i'm having alittle trouble with the square restrictor plate. Everytime I play I notice it less and less, while I get better at doing the quarter motions. THe thing is I don't remember the SFII arcade machine having a square restricktor plate.

My questions are:

*What type of restrictor plates do third strike machines have?

*Is it easy/posable to change my HARP1's restrictor plate?

*(just to ease my mind) What type of plates did the old SFII machine?

Superking

04-28-2006, 01:14 AM

My questions are:

*What type of restrictor plates do third strike machines have?

Typically US cabs have Happ competitions/supers/ultimates/p360s, whereas Japanese candy cabs would have either Sanwa JLFs or Seimitsu LS-32s. So it depends on what you've used at the arcade really. To further elaborate on JPN sticks, they use square restrictor plates just like your HRAP, infact the HRAP uses the aformenetioned Sanwa JLF. If you've played on US-style cabinets which have Happ parts, these sticks don't have square restrictor plates.

*Is it easy/posable to change my HARP1's restrictor plate?

Yes, you can also get different restrictor plates at http://akiharabashop.com , if you can't get used to the square plate, you can go for an octagonal plate or a rounded plate.

*(just to ease my mind) What type of plates did the old SFII machine?

Read the answer for your 3S cabinet question.

tolkien

04-28-2006, 02:16 AM

is it better to use screwins or snapins for the hrap

hellhound7

04-28-2006, 11:05 AM

snap ins tend to jiggle a little kinda like the original horis those are snap. where as screw ins stay in place and never move. so to answer your questions they both are great and you shouldn't have prob either way. If you get RG's you might want to get screw in but any other buttons snaps would be just fine.

VA_King

05-04-2006, 01:12 PM

ok officialy pissed.

got some new stuff from akihabara shop. (since my stick kept going to the left) so i got a new pcb board. and i went a little crazy and got new buttons and stuff. anyway. got the pcb board hooked up and its STILL messed up. it still goes to the left.

i have a HRAP. not a special. just the green one. i think it might have to do with where its hooked up. but everthing is sodered into place still. i have no idea whats wrong and i dont know what to do and im pissed.

leaveal

05-09-2006, 04:25 AM

VA_King:

check the PCB on the stick itself. there is probably something grounded there.

everyone else:

a friend brought over a HRAP1 from Akihabara, and it was totally weird.

it did NOT have a mirror finish. the art was kind of like the HRAP SA or HRAP2, with the engraving. the stick WAS a JLF-SK, and the buttons were QD'd Horis. there was some kind of plastic layer over the art which would come off easy as hell.

also, i could not access the buttons just by opening the bottom plate. i had to open the bottom, THEN remove the top plate.

i'm just wondering: WTF is it? it's definitely not a HRAP 2, because it just says HRAP on there