.Metal.

[Khiempossible]

what the fuck. how is that every metal head here is into power metal? what the fuck.

oh and rhapsody is power metal. there's no doubt about that.

god i hate power metal.

almost as much as i hate opeth.

[Azagtoth]

what the fuck. how is that every metal head here is into power metal? what the fuck.

oh and rhapsody is power metal. there's no doubt about that.

god i hate power metal.

almost as much as i hate opeth.

There there, just let it all out. =P

[Khiempossible]

See I just don't consider Power Metal, Flower Metal, Love Metal or Goth Metal "metal" that's all.

[blankspaces]

some combo video got me into rhapsody \m/

[Shaft Agent]

what the fuck. how is that every metal head here is into power metal? what the fuck.

oh and rhapsody is power metal. there's no doubt about that.

god i hate power metal.

almost as much as i hate opeth.
lol. one thing i've noticed about power metal heads is how relentless they are in trying to get you to like power metal. personally, i think power metal is lame; [/blashphemy] but my tastes aren't any better.

with that being said, Wicked Wisdom pwns :rofl:

[Fadedsun303]

what the fuck. how is that every metal head here is into power metal? what the fuck.

oh and rhapsody is power metal. there's no doubt about that.

god i hate power metal.

almost as much as i hate opeth.

I hate power metal too.

[Gumbercules]

Power metal is only fun to listen to with buddies while driving or some random bullshit, because it basically blows.

[Azagtoth]

See I just don't consider Power Metal, Flower Metal, Love Metal or Goth Metal "metal" that's all.

It's a shame that outside of sub-genres, there's no clear definition of "metal." I've heard Staind passed off as metal, but I'm sure we're all aware that not all "heavy" music is "metal," so on what basis can we judge aside from stereotyping?

I've never actually heard of the other three (except for "love metal," which just sounds to me like the softer shit In Flames does), but honestly, I'm not a fan of the power metal genre (bands like Primal Fear). I do, however, like melody, so some of it appeals to me, I guess; just not the "we're stuck in the 80's/roll d20 for next verse" aspect that most of it seems to have.

[bigpoppa]

Is anyone here a fan of Immolation? They are still one of my favorite death metal bands of all time. I'm probably going to put in Close to a world below soon

[orochi_shin]

what the fuck. how is that every metal head here is into power metal? what the fuck.

oh and rhapsody is power metal. there's no doubt about that.

god i hate power metal.

almost as much as i hate opeth.

Well the thing is that we all have different tastes in music. I love power metal, but only the ones that steer far from traditional power metal, if that makes any sense. Bands like Adagio (the new cd is awesome), and Sonata Arctica sound like a power metal band but they have their own style or something:sweat: It's really all up to my mood, because I'm mostly listening to thrash/speed metal. But what the fuck in the end it's all metal so up them devil horns.

[50 SENT]

power metal is ok with me in small doses. I can't listen to that shit non stop like I do with thrash/traditional metal.

[orochi_shin]

power metal is ok with me in small doses. I can't listen to that shit non stop like I do with thrash/traditional metal.

Amen:wonder:

[Episode_667]

I'll admit to being a power metal freak. Sonata Arctica / Dragonforce / Gamma Ray / Nightwish / select Blind Guardian FTW.

Strangely enough I don't really like Rhapsody...I think because from what I've heard a lot of their songs don't have memorable guitar riffs, just really fast picking with the occasional lead line or orchestra backing moments. I do like some of Luca Turilli's solo stuff though (Black Dragon, Prince of the Starlight).

Hmm...anyone like cyber metal? Like Demanufacture / Obsolete Fear Factory, Sybreed? Sybreed's first album was really good - I love that mechanical, bleak atmosphere - something that makes me picture the real world of The Matrix. I'd even consider Meshuggah's "Chaosphere" cyber metal as well.

Aside from the above, I'm all over the metal spectrum. I have my fair share of the melodeath (Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, Soilwork, Raunchy, etc), some American "nu" stuff (Machine Head, Nothingface). I also like me some symphonic black metal - Borknagar, Vintersorg, Emperor, Dimmu Borgir (yeah, I know).

About the only genres I can't really do are straight thrash and death. I own only 1 "real" death metal album, Cryptopsy's "Whisper Supremacy". I think I have the same problem with both sub-genres: there's nothing memorable about the songs, no hooks or whatever. Thrash especially, a lot of it (like most of Slayer's 80s stuff) just blends together. I know you can easily say the same about power metal, but for me I love the bombast and soaring choruses of power metal, whereas thrash seems just like raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh done.

[bigpoppa]

Hmm...anyone like cyber metal? Like Demanufacture / Obsolete Fear Factory, Sybreed? Sybreed's first album was really good - I love that mechanical, bleak atmosphere - something that makes me picture the real world of The Matrix. I'd even consider Meshuggah's "Chaosphere" cyber metal as well.

Aside from the above, I'm all over the metal spectrum. I have my fair share of the melodeath (Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, Soilwork, Raunchy, etc), some American "nu" stuff (Machine Head, Nothingface). I also like me some symphonic black metal - Borknagar, Vintersorg, Emperor, Dimmu Borgir (yeah, I know).

I like Fear Factory. My favorite album by them actually is Soul of a New Machine. It has that FF sound, but they were still pretty death metal, but more groove oriented. I'm also into melodic death and symphonic black. I love alll the bands you mentioned above, especially Emperor.

Here's some death bands you should check out if you haven't heard them yet:
Immolation
Morbid Angel
Frightmare
Deeds of Flesh

Just to name a few. When you have time, give them a listen. You might go for some of them.

[Khiempossible]

It's a shame that outside of sub-genres, there's no clear definition of "metal." I've heard Staind passed off as metal, but I'm sure we're all aware that not all "heavy" music is "metal," so on what basis can we judge aside from stereotyping?

I've never actually heard of the other three (except for "love metal," which just sounds to me like the softer shit In Flames does), but honestly, I'm not a fan of the power metal genre (bands like Primal Fear). I do, however, like melody, so some of it appeals to me, I guess; just not the "we're stuck in the 80's/roll d20 for next verse" aspect that most of it seems to have.

Flower metal: Sonata Arctica, and various other "let's sing songs about... not metal things at all" bands.

Love metal: HIM, and To/Die/For basically.

Goth metal: Tiamat and co.

For me metal starts with ATTITUDE. Sabbath started the genre as a whole. What differentiated Sabbath from other Blues based rock at the time? Well 1. It was heavy, but 2. It was attitude. This is why Iron Maiden and other classic metal is metal. It's the fucking attitude. I'm all about Slayer and Celtic Frost.

Actually I don't mean to be an elitist, whatever floats your boat, it's all good. I just think power is garbage. especially the way 98% of all combo vids seem to use the same nightwish and power songs.

[SNK Guitarist]

What differentiated Sabbath from the other bands was the riff and palm-muting. Thats what metal is all about in the end; the riff.

[Azagtoth]

What differentiated Sabbath from the other bands was the riff and palm-muting. Thats what metal is all about in the end; the riff.

All rock music with the exception of some rock/pop music is about the riff. Hell, almost all guitar based popular styles are about the riff. That isn't really what differentiates metal. You could say it's the "heaviness," but hardcore has that too.

I have to agree with Callmeanewb: without getting too technical on the basis of form and style, it's probably the attitude.

[Gumbercules]

lmao flower metal and love metal, those aren't even legitimate genres, just terms for some faggoty bands idiots use

[Khiempossible]

HIM actually titled one of their albums "Love Metal" and coined the term themselves, much in the same way Venom gave way to the black metal metal genre with the album "Black Metal" and Candlemass with "Epicus Doomicus Metallicus."

Flower metal on the other hand, is a term all the local metalheads use here to describe not quite power but still REALLY gay metal like Sonata Arctica.

Hardcore bands aren't heavy, they're brutal. "Heaviness" and "brutalness" are two very different things that a lot of people get confused about.

[SNK Guitarist]

All rock music with the exception of some rock/pop music is about the riff. Hell, almost all guitar based popular styles are about the riff. That isn't really what differentiates metal. You could say it's the "heaviness," but hardcore has that too.

I have to agree with Callmeanewb: without getting too technical on the basis of form and style, it's probably the attitude.

This isn't really true. Blues is guitar-based and isn't really about the riff. Blues is about the attitude and feeling as well. Sabbath took the riff, added palm muting (which was a technique not used much at the time, at least nowhere near the level that Sabbath used it), and made it scary. In the end, no matter what metal band you are, it's mostly about the riffs. Most metal songs start with the riff-writing and everything comes together around that.

[Gumbercules]

him is a piece of shit though

[WasFemto]

I came across it while looking up DragonForce on some P2P networks.

Some of the lyrics

the chorus(?) "There is no hope as the dreams of all those die, There are no dreams as the rivers runs dry at the edges of madness as we stand forever more as we hold the almighty sword" I think that's pretty close

I thought the song was called Black Winter Nights and not by Dragon Force(maybe the lead singers side project???) but I can't seem to find it....:sad:


Love Power Metal as well, accidently came across when Iced Earth's Dark Saga album came out many many many many many many many etc. etc. :sad: moons ago.

How can you not love the cheesines?! :xeye:

[DarkGiygas]

black winter night is from the first dragonforce album

[Azagtoth]

Most metal songs start with the riff-writing and everything comes together around that.

The same is still true for a lot of non-metal stuff: hard rock, classic rock, etc.. Regardless of how metal came to be and what made it unique back then (palm muting and doomy lyrics, apparently), emphasis on "the riff" isn't unique to metal at all, nor is it what makes metal unique today.

Callmeanewb: Can you clarify the difference between brutal and heavy? I'm not getting it. I hear chugga chugga in hardcore and chugga chugga in metal and I think "heavy." Is there some well-defined universal definition of the two that I'm not aware of? I'm thinking if anything, the chugga chugga is the "brutal" aspect and the heavy is something else, no?

[WasFemto]

Cool found the song. The one I listened to sounded more modern tho'(not talking about the recording itself)...

[SNK Guitarist]

The same is still true for a lot of non-metal stuff: hard rock, classic rock, etc.. Regardless of how metal came to be and what made it unique back then (palm muting and doomy lyrics, apparently), emphasis on "the riff" isn't unique to metal at all, nor is it what makes metal unique today.


The riff is what set metal apart from others. You can only go by what made it what it was when it came into fruition, regardless of the traits that bled over into other genres. If you want to get downright technical, then nothing makes metal, well, metal. Guitars, bass, drums, and vocals are found in all genres of music. "Attitude" is too abstract and can be applied to anything as well. We can agree to disagree, however if you want to get down to it I still stand by the riffs make metal what it is.

[Hejdlond]

Here are some of the bands I like. The songs/samples are all take from their official sites so there's nothing illegal going on here :rofl:

Heavier and a little bit more extreme than "average" metal:

Mors Principium Est (http://www.morsprincipiumest.com/)
Songs:
Pure (http://www.morsprincipiumest.com/mp3/MPE_Pure.mp3)
Altered State Consciousness (http://www.morsprincipiumest.com/mp3/MPE-Altered_State_consciousness.mp3)
The Unborn (http://www.morsprincipiumest.com/mp3/MPE_The_Unborn.mp3)


Yyrkoon (http://www.yyrkoon.net/)
Songs:
Doctor X (http://www.yyrkoon.net/doctorx.mp3)
Surgical Distortion (http://www.yyrkoon.net/surgicaldistortion.mp3)


Dagoba (http://www.antitheses.org/dagoba/eng/news.htm)
Songs:
The Man You're Not (http://www.antitheses.org/dagoba/eng/media/audio/04_the_man_you_re_not.mp3)
The Things Within (http://www.antitheses.org/dagoba/eng/media/audio/08_the_things_within.mp3)


One Man Army & The Undead Quartet (http://www.onemanarmy.tv/nysidan/index.htm)
Song:
Devil On The Red Carpet (http://www.onemanarmy.tv/media/OMAATUQ%20-%20Devil%20On%20The%20Red%20Carpet.mp3)


The Project Hate (http://www.theprojecthate.net)
Song:
At The Entrance To Hell's Unholy Fire (http://www.theprojecthate.net/downloads/01-entrance.mp3)


Arch Enemy (myspace site) (http://www.myspace.com/archenemy)
Most probably already know of this band. But if you haven't heard of 'em, check out "We Will Rise" and "My Apocalypse".


And some more good bands, not as extreme as those above though:

Diablo (http://www.terorized.com/diablo1/)
Samples:
lovedivided (http://www.poko.fi/media/diablo/eternium/lovedivided.mp3)
Mimic 47 (http://www.drakkar.de/files/diablo_mimic47_sample.mp3)
Read My Scars (http://www.poko.fi/media/diablo/eternium/readmyscars.mp3)
Shadow World (http://www.drakkar.de/files/diablo_shadowworld_sample.mp3)


Heed (http://www.heedonline.com/)
Check out their "Media" section where they have a jukebox. The songs are quite good but their true strength is their singer Daniel Heiman (the former singer of Lost Horizon). My favourite songs are "Ashes", "Salvation" and "Tears Of Prodigy". Give it a listen :)


Mercenary (http://www.mercenary.dk)
Sadly their best song "World Hate Center" isn't available on their site but if you get the album you'll be able to hear this masterpiece :)
Songs:
Firesoul (http://www.mercenary.dk/downloads/audio/full/Mercenary_Firesoul.mp3)
Seize The Night (http://www.mercenary.dk/downloads/audio/full/Mercenary_-_Seize_the_Night.mp3)
11 Dreams (http://www.mercenary.dk/downloads/audio/full/Mercenary_11_Dreams.mp3)


Scar Symmetry (http://www.scarsymmetry.com/)
With both growling and clean vocals. One of my favourite bands. Wished they could skip the clean vocals though :)
Songs:
The Illusionist (http://www.scarsymmetry.com/sounds/Scar_Symmetry-The_Illusionist.mp3)
Reborn (http://www.scarsymmetry.com/sounds/Scar_Symmetry-Reborn.mp3)
Their myspace page (http://www.myspace.com/scarsymmetry) has two more songs.


Suburban Tribe (http://www.suburbantribe.com)
Almost more rock than metal, but still good, has a very talented singer.
Samples:
Nevermore (http://www.suburbantribe.com/audio/revolt_03_nevermore.mp3)
Bound By Grace (http://www.suburbantribe.com/audio/revolt_04_bound_by_grace.mp3)
While The World Awaits (http://www.suburbantribe.com/audio/revolt_07_while_the_world_awaits.mp3)
The Time Is Now (http://www.suburbantribe.com/audio/revolt_10_time_is_now.mp3)


Ram-Zet (http://www.ram-zet.com/)
Samples:
Closing A Memory (http://3rdfloorstudio.no-ip.com/ramzet/downloads/closing.mp3)
And Innocence (http://3rdfloorstudio.no-ip.com/ramzet/downloads/andinnosence.mp3)

[Episode_667]

Mercenary (http://www.mercenary.dk)
Sadly their best song "World Hate Center" isn't available on their site but if you get the album you'll be able to hear this masterpiece :)
Songs:
Firesoul (http://www.mercenary.dk/downloads/audio/full/Mercenary_Firesoul.mp3)
Seize The Night (http://www.mercenary.dk/downloads/audio/full/Mercenary_-_Seize_the_Night.mp3)
11 Dreams (http://www.mercenary.dk/downloads/audio/full/Mercenary_11_Dreams.mp3)

QFT, Mercenary are awesome. New album "The Hours That Remain" coming soon!

I got into a Norwegian prog / pseudo - power outfit today called Communic (http://communic.org/index1.html), they have a sound that's vaguely similar to Nevermore, check out the samples on the link provided (under "Media").

[50 SENT]

heavy sounding riffs is really what seperates metal from its closest genres. thats really all it is, less melody, more heavy guitar work. hard rock has a lot of melody compared to metal, especially when the vocals are in. they usually slow down with a soft melody or a half ass riff. even a band like system of a down, at times they use metal riffs, but they almost always use melody when the verses come in making it easier to listen to. thats why they arent metal. metal should be a constant barrage of convincing riffs. its what every true genre of metal possesses.

[orochi_shin]

I have to say Callmeanewb is right. It's all about the attitude. But what I really love in power metal are the solos. Hey I'm a big shred fan. If it has shred it's a sure bet that I'll love it.

Right now I've got to say I'm pretty much hooked with Trivium, can't wait till they make their new album. Heafy already said that it'll have Cacophony-esque solos and shit, I'm having orgasms just thinking about it.

[TheSix]

heavy sounding riffs is really what seperates metal from its closest genres. thats really all it is, less melody, more heavy guitar work. hard rock has a lot of melody compared to metal, especially when the vocals are in. they usually slow down with a soft melody or a half ass riff. even a band like system of a down, at times they use metal riffs, but they almost always use melody when the verses come in making it easier to listen to. thats why they arent metal. metal should be a constant barrage of convincing riffs. its what every true genre of metal possesses.


Thats the most retardation I've read all week. :confused: :wasted:

[50 SENT]

please explain to me what makes metal, metal then or stfu. show me how retarded i am.

[Etcetera]

Are any guys here Brian Posehn fans? If not, check him out, his is funny as hell and he made a video kind of like a parody of metal now...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lgVllmChdRs

This is the gay part, with melody

[Khiempossible]

Callmeanewb: Can you clarify the difference between brutal and heavy? I'm not getting it. I hear chugga chugga in hardcore and chugga chugga in metal and I think "heavy." Is there some well-defined universal definition of the two that I'm not aware of? I'm thinking if anything, the chugga chugga is the "brutal" aspect and the heavy is something else, no?

Heavy has to do with the riff. The chord progression, the scale, the octave used. Hard to explain, but you see it with Sabbath. Early Sabbath was heavy, Saint Vitus is heavy, Sleep is heavy (ok so I'm just naming doom bands, but give me a break).

Brutal is more to do with rhythm and beats. Blast beats, faster speeds etc. Think Cryptopsy, all grind, and blast-happy hardcore.

I guess in the end, heavy is well defined riffs that sound like a giant fuzzy monster pounding a huge maul. While brutal is a cacophony of sounds in the both the high end and low end that assaults you like trying to chainsaw a wired concrete and steel lamp post such that it falls 20 feet and blows into bits.

Of course you get examples of both. Early Morbid Angel is both heavy and brutal. Cannibal Corpse, as well, carries both traits.

[DarkGiygas]

Shit, why is Nile so damn good? I usually can't stand metal with this style of vocals, but Annihilation of the Wicked is a badass album.

And what genre would Gojira be classified as?

[bigpoppa]

Heavy has to do with the riff. The chord progression, the scale, the octave used. Hard to explain, but you see it with Sabbath. Early Sabbath was heavy, Saint Vitus is heavy, Sleep is heavy (ok so I'm just naming doom bands, but give me a break).

Brutal is more to do with rhythm and beats. Blast beats, faster speeds etc. Think Cryptopsy, all grind, and blast-happy hardcore.

I guess in the end, heavy is well defined riffs that sound like a giant fuzzy monster pounding a huge maul. While brutal is a cacophony of sounds in the both the high end and low end that assaults you like trying to chainsaw a wired concrete and steel lamp post such that it falls 20 feet and blows into bits.

Of course you get examples of both. Early Morbid Angel is both heavy and brutal. Cannibal Corpse, as well, carries both traits.

Definitely, dude. I completely agree with you there.

Dark Giygas - I don't know, they just do. I think the Nile vocalist is definitely one of the best in death metal.

[Azagtoth]

If you want to get downright technical, then nothing makes metal, well, metal. Guitars, bass, drums, and vocals are found in all genres of music.

I didn't mean just the instruments, I meant the stylistic/aesthetic approaches that the players take to the instrument. You can tell a hardcore-influenced metal band apart from most purist-metal bands right away because the stylistic approach to most of the music is closer to hardcore (beats, riffs, breakdowns, melodies, vocals, etc).

Callmeanewb: I kinda see what you mean, but a lot of hardcore is just relatively slow and pounding (especially when compared to brutal death bands and stuff of the sort), so I can't agree that it's brutal in the sense of speed (aside from the subgenres that involve brutal characteristics, etc).

[Episode_667]

Weekend haul! Thanks to me turning 25 this past Saturday I had some extra change in my pocket, so I picked up a few CDs:

Emperor - "Prometheus - The Discipline of Fire & Demise"
Strapping Young Lad - "The New Black"
Cellador - "Enter Deception"

Cellador is a power metal (I know, I know) band from Nebraska (WTF?), and Enter Deception is their debut release. It's actually really good, I saw their video on MuchMusic's "Loud" Saturday night and picked up the CD yesterday. The band is guitar driven without any keyboards, and the lead singer has the best Bruce Dickenson impression I've EVER heard. So yeah, check out some of their stuff: http://myspace.com/cellador.

What else have I been listening to...new Mercenary is "available", and is a very good followup to 11 Dreams. Not as immediate though, but it does pick up strong around the halfway point. I also downloaded a couple of albums but Norwegian prog / power band Communic (http://www.communic.org). They're a mix between Nevermore and Mercenary, and seem to be decent from what I've listened to thus far.

[bigpoppa]

Weekend haul! Thanks to me turning 25 this past Saturday I had some extra change in my pocket, so I picked up a few CDs:

Emperor - "Prometheus - The Discipline of Fire & Demise"
Strapping Young Lad - "The New Black"
Cellador - "Enter Deception"

Prometheus is such a great album. I've been listening to that alot lately. SYL's new album is also really good. It's much better than Alien, IMO. I have heard Cellador before and I agree, they are pretty good. It is weird that they are from Nebraska.

My current playlist:

Emperor - Prometheus:The Discipline of Fire and Demise
Nile - Annhilation of the Wicked
Cannibal Corpse - The Wretched Spawn, Tomb of the Mutilated
Immolation - Unholy Cult

[RowJoe]

my friends' band is playing with cellador this month in el paso. i can't wait. =D

[RowJoe]

new unearth in 4 days, yay.

[TheSix]

Anyone going to Gigantour? Opeth is coming to fuckin' Oakland! I thought I'd never see the day(ever!). I hope they get at least a hour....drop fuckin' Arch Enemy...matter of fact, Opeth should be co-headling not Lamb of God. Tickets go on sale saturday morning.

[*InVeRs3*]

who here listened to body count's newest album? I'm an ice-t fan and was curious about it, and so far I like it.

[MagnetGenocide]

new unearth in 4 days, yay.


Fuck Yeah!!! I just got a new shirt in honor of the upcoming album. :wgrin:

[ToyRobotTerror]

Arch enemy sucks nowadays, only album worth listening with gossow on vocals is her first.
Anyway i found an ep by corporation 187 and they sound pretty good do they have any albums?

[bigpoppa]

Arch enemy sucks nowadays, only album worth listening with gossow on vocals is her first.
Anyway i found an ep by corporation 187 and they sound pretty good do they have any albums?

I think they only have 2 albums. They're called Subliminal Fear and Perfection in Pain. I think they're pretty good too.....they're pretty thrashy

[RowJoe]

Fuck Yeah!!! I just got a new shirt in honor of the upcoming album. :wgrin:

yeah, i got a new unearth shirt a couple days ago. can't wait for the new cd. :bgrin:

[MagnetGenocide]

yeah, i got a new unearth shirt a couple days ago. can't wait for the new cd. :bgrin:


Good Shit :lovin:

[Khiempossible]

unearth isn't metal, get that shit out of this thread.

[Azagtoth]

unearth isn't metal, get that shit out of this thread.

Hahaha I was waiting for the "____ ain't metal, gtfo" post. =P

Into Eternity is on Gigantour. <3

[MagnetGenocide]

unearth isn't metal, get that shit out of this thread.


sorry sir but try again........ :rolleyes:

[Khiempossible]

sorry sir but try again........ :rolleyes:

sorry sir, learn what metal is. If I were a real sadist I would tell you to listen to manowar, so you can hear first hand what metal is all about.

Heavy metal or no metal at all whimps and posers leave the hall!

[MagnetGenocide]

sorry sir, learn what metal is. If I were a real sadist I would tell you to listen to manowar, so you can hear first hand what metal is all about.

Heavy metal or no metal at all whimps and posers leave the hall!

I also listen to manowar and unearth and I see no prob with that. Unearth puts out solid album after album so it's natural for me to listen to them. Unearth has some of the most ferocious breakdowns, and that's why I love them :lovin:

[Khiempossible]

Unearth has some of the most ferocious breakdowns, and that's why I love them :lovin:

That's exactly why they aren't metal. Unearth is an awesome band, but they're not metal. that's all.

[Azagtoth]

I also listen to manowar and unearth and I see no prob with that. Unearth puts out solid album after album so it's natural for me to listen to them. Unearth has some of the most ferocious breakdowns, and that's why I love them :lovin:

He's got a point in that area: breakdowns are sort of more of a hardcore thing (which makes no sense to me because they started out as a metal thing when hardcore was still mostly just punk, IE Pantera, and hardcore kids who prefer the punk style still see them as a metal thing), but who the fuck cares?

...Although if we were talking Stings of Conscience Unearth, I would have to agree. That album was neither all that solid nor very much metal, really.

[MagnetGenocide]

He's got a point in that area: breakdowns are sort of more of a hardcore thing (which makes no sense to me because they started out as a metal thing when hardcore was still mostly just punk, IE Pantera, and hardcore kids who prefer the punk style still see them as a metal thing), but who the fuck cares?

...Although if we were talking Stings of Conscience Unearth, I would have to agree. That album was neither all that solid nor very much metal, really.

Yeah I have to agree The Stings of Conscience was a bit odd but it wasen't too bad. You guys might want to check out III: In the Eyes of Fire the album is much faster than the previous one (Oncoming Storm) :wgrin:

[Sheng-Long]

new Slayer (Christ Illusion) in 2 days.
you can stream the album on myspace

http://www.myspace.com/slayer

[RowJoe]

unearth is fun to listen to. that's all that really matters, honestly. it's so boring and lame to see people attempting to put so and so bands into genres, because it seriously doesn't matter in the end.

[SNK Guitarist]

Man, how many times can Slayer put out the same album?

[Khiempossible]

People still listen to Slayer? I thought everyone gave up when they released Diabolous In Musica, which is worse than its Load and Cryptic Writing equivalent.

I personally only listen to Show No Mercy/Haunting the Chapel these days; which is more BM than thrash, but honestly their only good listen.

[50 SENT]

People still listen to Slayer?

I personally only listen to Show No Mercy/Haunting the Chapel these days


:confused:

[Sheng-Long]

Sorry I didn't get the memo on being cool.

[hawaiigamer142]

@ Orochi: I have to agree, I'm digging one of the new songs they put up for download ["Detonation"] from the new Trivium CD. And I know they've been called the modern Metallica and I never really saw it until I heard the new song, especially Matt's vocals [very reminiscent of Hetfield]. I mean they have their metalcore influences and what not, but I can't deny that I loved Trivium from the beginning.

[DarkGiygas]

new mastodon leaked, holy fuck

[MagnetGenocide]

new mastodon leaked, holy fuck

Yup I got it last night :sweat:

[bigpoppa]

Lately i've been mainly listening to Morbid Angel. Formulas Fatal to the Flesh and Gateways to Annihilation are great albums

[The Grey Area]

I have been wanting to get into Black Label Society after hearing their track on Guitar Hero.

Where should I start?

[Khiempossible]

I thought mastadon's last album was complete garbage. Especially the drummer.

[orochi_shin]

Yes! Last night we played with mexican thrash metal band Strike Master, which was fucking awesome! The awesome thing is that we're also becoming well known here in PR and are officially set to play at the big Metal Fest here in November, I can't fucking wait!

CELLADOR KICKS ASS!! Highly reccomend the cd if you like Dragonforce!

[bigpoppa]

Yes! Last night we played with mexican thrash metal band Strike Master, which was fucking awesome! The awesome thing is that we're also becoming well known here in PR and are officially set to play at the big Metal Fest here in November, I can't fucking wait!

CELLADOR KICKS ASS!! Highly reccomend the cd if you like Dragonforce!

Awesome dude!!!! I'm glad things are going good.

I like Cellador. It almost sounds like they are purposefully trying to sound like Dragon force at times

[orochi_shin]

Awesome dude!!!! I'm glad things are going good.

I like Cellador. It almost sounds like they are purposefully trying to sound like Dragon force at times

Thanks bro!!! Last week I went to Sam Ash in Orlando cuz I was on vacation, I played Dimebag's Razorback guitar... WOW! I need that guitar in my life. It's fucking perfect! The feel and the look... wow it's freaking Godlike... I <3Dimebag :rofl:

[bigpoppa]

Thanks bro!!! Last week I went to Sam Ash in Orlando cuz I was on vacation, I played Dimebag's Razorback guitar... WOW! I need that guitar in my life. It's fucking perfect! The feel and the look... wow it's freaking Godlike... I <3Dimebag :rofl:

OMG I want one of those so badly!!!! I still only have my 7 string Ibanez RG 7321( tuned down to Bb) Lately i've been learning to play Morbid Angel songs.

Definitely keep up updated on your shows bro. I'm always interested in hearing from you

[Khiempossible]

OMG I want one of those so badly!!!! I still only have my 7 string Ibanez RG 7321( tuned down to Bb) Lately i've been learning to play Morbid Angel songs.

Definitely keep up updated on your shows bro. I'm always interested in hearing from you

Thanks bro!!! Last week I went to Sam Ash in Orlando cuz I was on vacation, I played Dimebag's Razorback guitar... WOW! I need that guitar in my life. It's fucking perfect! The feel and the look... wow it's freaking Godlike... I <3Dimebag :rofl:

Awesome dude!!!! I'm glad things are going good.

I like Cellador. It almost sounds like they are purposefully trying to sound like Dragon force at times

Yes! Last night we played with mexican thrash metal band Strike Master, which was fucking awesome! The awesome thing is that we're also becoming well known here in PR and are officially set to play at the big Metal Fest here in November, I can't fucking wait!

CELLADOR KICKS ASS!! Highly reccomend the cd if you like Dragonforce!


No offense but you two sound like the types of teeny boppers that I'd want to strangle in class with the teachers help because they sounded like retards. All your missing is the word KEWL!

[Shaft Agent]

have you guys ever heard of Job For a Cowboy (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8560683339894846648&q=job+for+a+cowboy)? the guitars are just ok, but i like their drummer.

[Khiempossible]

have you guys ever heard of Job For a Cowboy (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8560683339894846648&q=job+for+a+cowboy)? the guitars are just ok, but i like their drummer.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-NQI3BSVOKM

It's not metal either way, gtfo.

Also, nevermind the drummer from JFAC, this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wRJM4htE4Ds (nevermind the vid, it's all about the song) >>>>>>>> JFAC

[Shaft Agent]

It's not metal either way, gtfo. well since you're so much smarter than me, tell me what it is then. my subhuman brain struggled to use its weak cognitive abilities to put JFAC into some sort of genre in the close vicinity to something quite possibly related to metal, so i could be wrong. please, oh Lord of Categories; oh Master of Labels; oh Cocksmith of Elitest Pricks, be kind in your judgement and spare me eternal damnation!


I'm all about Slayer and Celtic Frost.
People still listen to Slayer?

shit evolves. YOU gtfo.

[P. Gorath]

ouch

[Raz0r]

Fatality.

[bigpoppa]

well since you're so much smarter than me, tell me what it is then. my subhuman brain struggled to use its weak cognitive abilities to put JFAC into some sort of genre in the close vicinity to something quite possibly related to metal, so i could be wrong. please, oh Lord of Categories; oh Master of Labels; oh Cocksmith of Elitest Pricks, be kind in your judgement and spare me eternal damnation!





shit evolves. YOU gtfo.

LOL!!!!!

That was a good post Shaft Agent

[BudaFuka]

shit evolves. YOU gtfo.

:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

[RowJoe]

:clap:

nice post, SA.

[Khiempossible]

Last I checked JFAC was metalcore. In a similar vein as Unearth, Hatebreed, Cephalic Carnage and stuff. It's not my fault you ain't metal.

When people compose classical these days that's stylistically and compositionally differnt from baroque era classic do we still call it classical? No. We call it Neo Classical. Shit might evolve, and when it does we give it new names. Humans evolved from monkeys do we call ourselves monkeys or humans? JFAC is metalcore because it's not metal. It's evolved metal. It's metalcore. Why would you want to dispute that difference? Go take a history lesson. All of you ninnies could use a healthy dose of Sabbath, Celtic Frost, and Judas Priest.

[MagnetGenocide]

Why make other threads for sub-genres? why not just post them here??? as far as im concerned Black metal, Death Metal, Hardcore, Grindcore, Metal Core etc etc, are all metal genres............METAL.........

[Khiempossible]

there's no metal in grindCORE or hardCORE or fashionCORE or emoCORE or what have you. This is the specific reason metal heads shun metalCORE bands cause CORE bands are a whole other genre.

[The Grey Area]

Damn, the pretention in this thread is staggering.

[Azagtoth]

Damn, the pretention in this thread is staggering.

Welcome to the world of metal. It seems the metal vs. metalcore/____core debate was inevitable. :rolleyes:

Here's my question: take bands like Black Dahlia Murder and Lamb of God. They may not be the shit, but they're really a lot more metal influenced than hardcore influenced (I fail to see ANY sort of hardcore influence in Black Dahlia especially; Lamb of God has breakdowns but that isn't even really a hardcore-specific trait), and yet they're shunned as well (example: Black Dahlia getting booed off of the stage opening for Nile, I believe it was: I know it isn't simply because they aren't that good, because I've heard much worse bands get cock ridden by metalhead fucks, and it's usually just because they're "metal").

It seems to me like a lot of newer bands that aren't categorized into one or more of the many pure metal subgenres (black, death, melodeath, doom, thrash, power, etc) are delegated to "metalcore" status, whether or not they are really hardcore influenced at all. For what seems like no reason at all, they're thrown to the hardcore scene, followed by a "you take them, we don't want them." Funny thing is, people that actually ARE into metalcore (IE Dead To Fall, Martyr AD, older Unearth) are usually the first to say "that isn't metalcore" when you tell them you're a big fan of Shadows Fall/All That Remains/God Forbid, so it's entirely the stupidity of the metal scene that causes this genre-naming problem. Metal: This isn't metal, it's metalcore. Metalcore: this isn't metalcore, it's metal.

...What's the deal? Is the metal scene really that purist that if it isn't 100% stereotypically metal and bound by some invisible non-specific guidelines, then it sucks? If that's the case, it doesn't sound like something I want to be a part of: being held down by some bullshit unwritten law of "true metal" ain't my style. I love the music to death, but all that self masturbatory BS is whack as fuck.

Anyway, I say this thread gets renamed to the "heavy music thread," that way our lovable fluffy friend here can quit with the "it's not metal gtfo" posts. So far him and polarity seem to have been the only ones who've historically had that problem, so I'm sure no one else will mind.

[hawaiigamer142]

Azagtoth speaks truth. There's so much hypocrisy in labeling, it's ridiculous. Just listen to the fucking music, if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Why waste your time bashing it when you could use that time to find other music that you could listen to [and possible like?]

@Orochi: How did that "Through the Fire and Flames" cover go?

[Shaft Agent]

snip

Azagtoth said EXACTLY what i was going to say, right down to changing the thread title to "the heavy music thread." and you can't honestly tell me that if i just said "listen to this;" and didn't give the name of the band; or a picture of what they look like, you would say "hay! theze guyz r metalcorrrrrrrr. thay sound like Killswitch Engage!" no way in HELL would you have made that assumption. but you saw them and they looked like normal dudes, the lead singer had the "emo swoop" hairstyle, and their name didn't have anything to do with violence, or body parts, or violence to body parts and you lumped them into a genre that you obviously don't respect.


Welcome to the world of metal. It seems the metal vs. metalcore/____core debate was inevitable. :rolleyes:. exactly. i've been here since 2003, and every single time someone starts a thread relating to heavy music, some douche comes in and starts denouncing every type of metal he doesn't like. i usually stop reading the thread after page 13 because of it. it's lame.

making so many different specalized sub-genres takes away from the actual music. "whoa whoa man, we're SOCCERMETAL, or HAND-JOBCORE. don't associate us with those faggots over there..." it's so fucking stupid, and pretentious music snobs eat that shit up.

dude1: here check this out. *hands dude2 a bag*
dude2: WTF! THIS IS A BAG OF SHIT!
dude1: no, faggot. look at the way i rolled the bag up. plus the bag is made out of paper. also, there's not any corn in the shit. it's biodegradable-postarborculturecellulosepulp-forwardorientationenclosed-cornlesspostexpulsion-postdigestCORE. learn your history. i don't see how the hell you tie your shoes in the morning without hanging yourself. that's how stupid you are. lol,"bag of shit." fucking retard.


it's like people don't even want to be allowed to like different things; because they're too scared to be lumped into a fucking SOCIAL GROUP which they are biased against. it's almost like racism; and it's 100% bullshit. i bought Strapping Young Lad's new album earlier this week; but i bought it with Scarlet's new album, and the dipshit cashier looked at me crosseyed about it. i mean, how could i possibly like 2 DIFFERENT SUBGENRES OF THE SAME BASIC STYLE OF MUSIC! IT'S UNFATHOMABLE HOW DIFFERENT BOTH OF THE SUBGENRE'S GROUP OF LISTENERS ARE! OH GOD! THE DIVERSITY MAKES ME WANT TO SHOVE SOMETHING PAINFULL IN MY BUTT BECAUSE I'M SO SHOCKED!

this rant has been brought to you by:

-the cunts that give me shit for owning ALL Sepultura albums and liking them.
-the jerks that say you can't like Bleeding Through, Killswitch Engage, AND Zakk Wylde even though all three overuse artificial harmonics.:arazz:
-the douchbags that are Throwdown FANS, but give Throwdown shit for EATING MEAT. that's right. EATING MEAT. "wahhhh only TRUE straightedgers are vegans, blah, blah" i better stop before i start ranting again :(


and also, someone needs to answer The Grey Area's question about ZW. i don't know too much about that guy except he picks all his notes and uses alot of artificial harmonics...

[BudaFuka]

dude1: here check this out. *hands dude2 a bag*
dude2: WTF! THIS IS A BAG OF SHIT!
dude1: no, faggot. look at the way i rolled the bag up. plus the bag is made out of paper. also, there's not any corn in the shit. it's biodegradable-postarborculturecellulosepulp-forwardorientationenclosed-cornlesspostexpulsion-postdigestCORE. learn your history. i don't see how the hell you tie your shoes in the morning without hanging yourself. that's how stupid you are. lol,"bag of shit." fucking retard.

I wish I could sig this...:sad:

[bill_rizer]

Shaft Agent post wins the thread all you haters need to go home.

HAND-JOBCORE :rofl: :rofl:

I like Killswitch Engage and Biohazard.

And If you anit down with that I got two words for ya.......

SUCK IT!!!!

[hawaiigamer142]

bahahahahahaha
seriously, Shaft Agent owns this thread for free.
I couldn't stop laughing.
So damned funny but more importantly, so DAMN TRUE.

I've had my own encounter like that with the CD buying escapdes.

[orochi_shin]

Azagtoth speaks truth. There's so much hypocrisy in labeling, it's ridiculous. Just listen to the fucking music, if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Why waste your time bashing it when you could use that time to find other music that you could listen to [and possible like?]

@Orochi: How did that "Through the Fire and Flames" cover go?

It's going awesome thanks for asking bro! Right now we're possibly going to change the band name because we are going thru some pretty big changes, but I'll still continue to make grade A shred solos for all you shred lovers :rofl:

And I agree with Azagtoth 100%. Bands are being labeled to much now, but what the fuck it's all basically the same stuff you know. I have to say, being in a band and knowing how the "metal scene" goes in PR, I know how stupid the labeling can get. Like, "we can't play with metal bands 'cause we are hardcore" or vice versa. Man whatever it's all about getting with your buds, making music, and getting drunk as hell.

[Episode_667]

I bought Emperor's "In the Nightside Eclipse" CD earlier this week. It is awesome.

The new Textures CD "Drawing Circles" should be at my house soon. Hopefully it will be as awesome or even more so than their last disk.

I recommend everyone try and get into Alchemist - start with their "Embryonics" double - CD retrospective, there's a lot of good music to be had with these Australians. Now if only I could find their last 2 Cds anywhere...

That's my contribution to this thread.

[GC!?]

Imma just going to post some of the metal bands I like, some more then others obviously:

Agalloch, Amaran, Amon Amarth, Amorphis, Angel Dust, Autopsy, Black Sabbath, Blind Guardian, Bolt Thrower, Burzum, Candlemass, Celtic Frost, Dawn of Dreams, Death, Deicide, Dream Theater, Equilibrium, Evergrey, Gwar, Haggard, How Like a Winter, Immolation, Iron Maiden, Katatonia, Malevolent Creation, Metallica (oldest stuff), Mithotyn, Morbid Angel, My Dying Bride, Nest, Obituary, Opeth, Pestilence, Rising Moon, Rotting Christ, Suffocation, Theatre of Tragedy, Tristania, Type O Negative, Within Temptation, Xandria

This is out of the vast collection I actually have, as well. Most favorite band on this list is Death (the older Death - Scream Bloody Gore FTW)

I'll read the thread now. :smokin:

edit: after reading (actually skipping through) I'd have to agree with polarity's comment about how the metal community needs to get their own tastes. Too many people listen to the same stuff.

and callmeanewb, the only Opeth album I like is My Arms, Your Hearse, which is mostly different from the rest of their discography. Their recent albums, most specifically Ghost Reveries, is shit, IMO. D:

[Azagtoth]

Shaft Agent: That Throwdown shit is funny as hell. Some straightedge kids get a little too carried away with that "X band isn't really straight edge because they fuck/eat meat" stuff.

[Khiempossible]

Back to talking about real metal.

Who here heard Kalas? It's the same guy from High on Fire and Sleep. I'm loving it.

Also, I'm loving Zoroaster, who'd have thought that with the death of Reverend Bizarre, there'd be people around still willing to make good doom.

[SNK Guitarist]

Anybody heard Threat Signal? They have some badass riffs and some nice melodic stuff going on.

[RowJoe]

I bought the new Unearth when it came out last week, pretty good listen. Misery Signals is one of the bands on the sampler it came with, they're ok. I also found Opeth's Deliverance for $6, yay.

I'm gonna see my friends' band play next week in El Paso, TX with Suicide Silence, Too Pure To Die, All Shall Perish, and Light This City. It'll be nice to hear some new music.

The thread should seriously get a new title, because obviously someone's still against the core stuff being in here...

[orochi_shin]

Wow now I notice that we're up to 24 pages... awesome! Let's keep this alive people!

Oh I've been playing Holy Orders on our gigs soundchecks and people keep thinking it's one of our songs till I tell them that it's from a game called Guilty Gear. They just look at me like I'm some kind of freak when they realize I'm a video game nut.

[MagnetGenocide]

Wow now I notice that we're up to 24 pages... awesome! Let's keep this alive people!

Oh I've been playing Holy Orders on our gigs soundchecks and people keep thinking it's one of our songs till I tell them that it's from a game called Guilty Gear. They just look at me like I'm some kind of freak when they realize I'm a video game nut.

Hey Orochi where can I listen to some of ur Bands' music??

[P. Gorath]

new Converge album drops Oct. 24

plus they are on tour with mastodon in september

[Khiempossible]

I think i'm the only guy here who doesn't listen to some core variant. That and one other guy who listens to all the sludge and doom and drone I do, but hasn't posted in a while.

[NEBULOSO]

So how many people here like Amorphis? And how many have heard their new album Eclipse? I'm not sure if they asked Pasi Koskinen (vocals/singer) to leave or what? But the new singer, Tomi Joutsen sounds great. My fav songs from the album are: House of Sleep, The Smoke and Empty Opening. Most of the songs on the album Tomi uses clean vocals but there's a couple where he sings with the growl/throat, which sound pretty good.
Most of the reviews I read about Amorphis say that their best album is Tales from a Thousand Lakes? I won't argue it, as it is a great peice of work. But after listening to ELEGY?! My god is that a beautiful album! And it's my fav album from the Finnish band!

Also, I came across this band while looking for some Amorphis albums on eBay: Insomnium. They have 2 albums that I know of: In the Halls of Awaiting and Since the Day it All Came Down....If you like the Throat or Growl vocals, the albums are pretty good. Insomnium reminds me of Edge of Sanity with their melodic type death metal, just listen to the song In the Halls of Awaiting (bliss).

For those who liked the album Crimson from EOS? Swano made a Crimson 2.

[MagnetGenocide]

Bought 2 cd's last night.

It Dies Today - The Caitiff Choir (Special Edition 2 Disk Set)

Thine Eyes Bleed - In the Wake of Separation

Both CD's are very good IMO.

[Gasaraki]

I got a question, I'm looking for any metal(hopefully power metal but not necessary) where the singer doesn't have that scream. Yesterday I was lookin for music and I tried hearing samples of Behemoth, Mastodon, In Flames, and none of them intrested me because of the "singing". I prefer stuff I can somewhat hear, like Stratovarius, Firewind, Symphony X, etc. Though I'm starting to wonder if "clear" singing in metal is more of a power metal thing =/

[MagnetGenocide]

I got a question, I'm looking for any metal(hopefully power metal but not necessary) where the singer doesn't have that scream. Yesterday I was lookin for music and I tried hearing samples of Behemoth, Mastodon, In Flames, and none of them intrested me because of the "singing". I prefer stuff I can somewhat hear, like Stratovarius, Firewind, Symphony X, etc. Though I'm starting to wonder if "clear" singing in metal is more of a power metal thing =/


lol yeah most metal bands scream. :sweat: So I can't help u there.

[bigpoppa]

I got a question, I'm looking for any metal(hopefully power metal but not necessary) where the singer doesn't have that scream. Yesterday I was lookin for music and I tried hearing samples of Behemoth, Mastodon, In Flames, and none of them intrested me because of the "singing". I prefer stuff I can somewhat hear, like Stratovarius, Firewind, Symphony X, etc. Though I'm starting to wonder if "clear" singing in metal is more of a power metal thing =/

Check out the band Nevermore

[P. Gorath]

I thought the caitliff choir was pretty weak over all. only the single and the last two tracks had any appeal to me.

[RowJoe]

I have the original version of The Caitiff Choir. I think there's about 5 or 6 songs that I enjoy on there. I know that the newer version is remastered and has a bunch of extra tracks. Maybe I'll pick that up sometime, because I recently bought the remastered KsE debut CD (already had the old version) and it sounded soooo much better. Hopefully this turns out similar.

Gasarki - I think Cellador is an alright power metal band, along with Dragonforce, but you've probably already heard them. Maybe some Danzig?

[(sic)]

Just posting to agree with the opinion on Blood Mountain...fucking awesome. :tup:

[MagnetGenocide]

I have the original version of The Caitiff Choir. I think there's about 5 or 6 songs that I enjoy on there. I know that the newer version is remastered and has a bunch of extra tracks. Maybe I'll pick that up sometime, because I recently bought the remastered KsE debut CD (already had the old version) and it sounded soooo much better. Hopefully this turns out similar.


Yeah the 2 disk set is way better then the OG. It has all 11 original tracks plus 7 extra ones and it also has a Bonus DVD. :lovin:

[Azagtoth]

I got a question, I'm looking for any metal(hopefully power metal but not necessary) where the singer doesn't have that scream. Yesterday I was lookin for music and I tried hearing samples of Behemoth, Mastodon, In Flames, and none of them intrested me because of the "singing". I prefer stuff I can somewhat hear, like Stratovarius, Firewind, Symphony X, etc. Though I'm starting to wonder if "clear" singing in metal is more of a power metal thing =/

What they said: stick with power metal and Nevermore. Outside of that, clean vocals are usually coupled with the screams or not done at all.

Magnet Genocide: I tried to get into It Dies Today a while back. My favorite songs on the cd were the 2-3 that were straight up brutal, but I'm not a fan of their melodic stuff.

[MagnetGenocide]

Magnet Genocide: I tried to get into It Dies Today a while back. My favorite songs on the cd were the 2-3 that were straight up brutal, but I'm not a fan of their melodic stuff.

Alot of people don't like melodic stuff but I find it quite nice. :wink: As long as they have brutal breakdowns it's all good. :wgrin:

BTW this tread is getting more traffic, keep it up guys!!!!

[Azagtoth]

Alot of people don't like melodic stuff but I find it quite nice. :wink: As long as they have brutal breakdowns it's all good. :wgrin:

BTW this tread is getting more traffic, keep it up guys!!!!

Haha don't misunderstand. I'm a melody whore (most of what I like is straight up melodic), but IDT's melodic stuff just kinda blows IMO, and most of the CD is like that.

[Khiempossible]

I got a question, I'm looking for any metal(hopefully power metal but not necessary) where the singer doesn't have that scream. Yesterday I was lookin for music and I tried hearing samples of Behemoth, Mastodon, In Flames, and none of them intrested me because of the "singing". I prefer stuff I can somewhat hear, like Stratovarius, Firewind, Symphony X, etc. Though I'm starting to wonder if "clear" singing in metal is more of a power metal thing =/

Judas Priest?
Iron Maiden?
Accept?

[GC!?]

amorphis, insomnium.

I liked Amorphis' Tales From the Thousand Lakes the most...Amorphis' new stuff is okay. Insomnium is okay for one or two tracks IMO.

I got a question, I'm looking for any metal(hopefully power metal but not necessary) where the singer doesn't have that scream. Yesterday I was lookin for music and I tried hearing samples of Behemoth, Mastodon, In Flames, and none of them intrested me because of the "singing". I prefer stuff I can somewhat hear, like Stratovarius, Firewind, Symphony X, etc. Though I'm starting to wonder if "clear" singing in metal is more of a power metal thing =/

That's the basis of power metal - clear listening. Amaran is my favorite power metal band, it has a female vocalist that doesn't do the scream. Dark Moor doesn't do the scream, as I recall.

[WasFemto]

So apparently the Black Winter Night song I heard first was part of the Beamai games?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3u-0a8Guhs

[Azagtoth]

So apparently the Black Winter Night song I heard first was part of the Beamai games?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3u-0a8Guhs

I think that was just a user created song for Stepmania.

[Sheng-Long]

I got a question, I'm looking for any metal(hopefully power metal but not necessary) where the singer doesn't have that scream. Yesterday I was lookin for music and I tried hearing samples of Behemoth, Mastodon, In Flames, and none of them intrested me because of the "singing". I prefer stuff I can somewhat hear, like Stratovarius, Firewind, Symphony X, etc. Though I'm starting to wonder if "clear" singing in metal is more of a power metal thing =/

-Sabbath
-Megadeth (although Mustaine's voice sounds like a non-classically trained vagina)

[hawaiigamer142]

Can anyone recommend some good Iron Maiden tracks? So far I have "Aces High", "The Trooper", and "Number of the Beast" playing on repeat all the time. Can't get enough of those guitars and vocals.

[Sheng-Long]

"Hallowed Be Thy Name" and "Run to the Hills" from Number of the Beast, I dunno what track number.

[hawaiigamer142]

cool beans man thanks for the suggestions.

[orochi_shin]

Can anyone recommend some good Iron Maiden tracks? So far I have "Aces High", "The Trooper", and "Number of the Beast" playing on repeat all the time. Can't get enough of those guitars and vocals.

Maiden's is one of my all time fav. bands so I'll be happy to tell you some awesome tracks.

-Flight of Icarus
-Phantom of the Opera
-Fear of the Dark
-The Rainmaker
-Run to the Hills
-Iron Maiden
-Killers
-Children of the Damned
-Hallowed be thy Name
-Die with your Boots on (Sonata Arctica did a really awesome cover on this song btw)
-The Evil that Men Do (one of my all time favs)
-The Clairvoyant
-Be quick of Be dead
-Judas be my Guide
-The Wicker Man
-Out of the Silent Planet
-Wasted Years

That'll hold you off for a while:sweat:

[DarkGiygas]

revelations is my fav maiden song

new lamb of god album is decent...cant wait for new converge

[hawaiigamer142]

haha thanks orochi for the long list. oh and to DG for his one suggestion too. sure glad my friend has a bunch of maiden cd's.

yeah i can't wait for new converge myself. i spent part of my day listening to songs like "broken vow" and "hanging moon".

[TheSix]

I guess I am the only one here that doesn't care for Power metal. Hmm...

Im still listening to the new Motorhead CD. I tried to go through Powerman 5000' new attempt but kept getting interupted.

Less than a month for Gigantour. Opeth cometh!

[NEBULOSO]

Maiden's is one of my all time fav. bands so I'll be happy to tell you some awesome tracks.

-Flight of Icarus
-Phantom of the Opera
-Fear of the Dark
-The Rainmaker
-Run to the Hills
-Iron Maiden
-Killers
-Children of the Damned
-Hallowed be thy Name
-Die with your Boots on (Sonata Arctica did a really awesome cover on this song btw)
-The Evil that Men Do (one of my all time favs)
-The Clairvoyant
-Be quick of Be dead
-Judas be my Guide
-The Wicker Man
-Out of the Silent Planet
-Wasted Years

That'll hold you off for a while:sweat:

Great songs! Here's a few other tracks that are awesome as well:

-Deja-Vu
-Childhood's End
-The Fugitive
-Moonchild (I am He the Bornless One!)
-Infinite Dreams

[ToXY]

Not one person mentioned The Prisoner?? :O...
but yer if you want some good Iron Maiden songs both Number of the beast and Piece of mind albums are really great, so is seventh son of a seventh son.

[hawaiigamer142]

hey thanks everyone for the suggestions. i actually just found a seventh son of a seventh son cassette tape in my uncle's closet haha good shit.

anyone who enjoys Children of Bodom should check this guy out. he's in a Children of Bodom cover band and rips almost verbatim like Alexi.

www.planetcarl.com

check out his videos.

[Khiempossible]

people like CoB?

ugh.

[Azagtoth]

people liked CoB

Fixed for you. =P

[orochi_shin]

hawaii: no prob bro. Can't believe I forgot The Prisoner, oh what shame! =(
And on the CoB note, I loved the old stuff, when it had the melodic death parts, which were awesome as hell. But I don't know what the hell happened to Alexi man, his last cd's were pure crap compared to the old stuff. Don't get me wrong he's a great guitarist, although Roope is better, and Warmen can eat them both up.

I really hope Maiden's new cd turns out to be awesome, 'cause Dance of Death only had like 2-3 songs at the most that were good. What the hell is going on with bands these days?

[RowJoe]

If bands keep releasing similar CDs, they get shit on for that, since it shows a lack of ingenuity and creativity. If they release CDs with some experimentation and perhaps a new direction for the band, other fans complain that they're not staying loyal to what made them good in the first place. =/ It doesn't apply to all bands, but I can think of plenty of bands that this happened to.

[hawaiigamer142]

yeah people like/liked CoB. to each his own.

and yeah i didnt care much for the last couple cd's either.

[MagnetGenocide]

Lamb of God's new CD = major WTF

[orochi_shin]

RowJoe- I know what you mean man, and I understand when bands pull new stuff up, and it's great sence they aren't stuck in a rut. But when they pull a Metallica on us, well, it sucks lol. Or they can stay like Malmsteen who's been doing the same stuff over and over hahahaha.

[bigpoppa]

Yngwie is NEVER going to leave the 80's....lol

I'm actually listening to Rising Force right now. Blackstar is my favorite song off that album

Old school Cannibal Corpse, Immolation, and Carcass has been getting alot of play lately. I've also been mixing it up with some Ozzy.

What have you guys been listening to lately?

[Khiempossible]

Entombed - Left Hand Path
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness

True death metal.

[orochi_shin]

Cellador- Enter Deception

I just can't get enough of it. It's like hearing Tobias Sammet playing with Dragonforce. I just love them blast beats =)

[Kayin]

Finntroll's "Nattfödd" kinda owns me at the moment.

[aa_overmind]

Anybody here listens to.........

Anal Cunt
The Mentors
Deicide
Bathory
Venom
Mayhem
Brujeria
Asesino
GWAR
Mercyful Fate
King Diamond
Danzig

Anyone?

[Khiempossible]

a fine day to die.

A lot of that shit you mentioned is garbage or in the wrong vein.

[aa_overmind]

a fine day to die.

A lot of that shit you mentioned is garbage or in the wrong vein.


What do you mean in the wrong vein!!

A majority of the bands I mentioned like The Mentors and Mayhem actually lived out their lyrics compare to the rest who say stuff but they don't actually do it which makes them:lame:

Those are the real people who can consider themselves badasses and REAL METAL!!!

[orochi_shin]

King Diamond is awesome. He's just lovable in a metal sort of way lol Plus the whole guitar harmonies do own the shit out of me.

[Kayin]

Danzig ftw.

[aa_overmind]

King Diamond is awesome. He's just lovable in a metal sort of way lol Plus the whole guitar harmonies do own the shit out of me.

Hell yeah, plus King Diamond's vocals is fucking sweet

He ranks up there for best Metal vocals along with Rob Halford and Ronnie James Dio:tup:

Danzig ftw.

Fuck Yeah!!!!!

I loved the Danzig reunion with Doyle last year :bgrin:

[GC!?]

Entombed - Left Hand Path
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness

True death metal.

seconded on Morbid Angel.

ever listen to Death - Scream Bloody Gore?

[aa_overmind]

ever listen to Death - Scream Bloody Gore?


FUCK YEAH!!!!!!

I love Death, especially that album:bgrin:

[Khiempossible]

Yeah, Death is pretty awesome. But I think he does the technical shit a lot better than the old school, I don't shit about music, give it your all type death metal. Human ranks highest on favorite Death albums (actually that could be because Masvidal and Reinhert (sp?) are my heros)

Speaking of which everyone knows Cynic right? After that bunked Masvidal and Reinhert went off to make Aeon Spoke... which is an emo band... what the fuck?

[hawaiigamer142]

anyone listen to 3 Inches of Blood? im a sucker for this cheezy metal band.

[TheSix]

Man I love Quo Vadis. Too bad they aren't more active.

[Khiempossible]

Dude I've seen them like. 4 times now. I saw them back in april this year after their latest album. That said, I don't care for them much. Just that one song. Shores of Ithaka.

[DarkGiygas]

oooh new isis is out

[goodm0urning]

And I thought everyone on SRK was into faggy club shit. Shows what I know.

I like a lot of music, but over the last couple of days, I've been listening to:

Strapping Young Lad - City and S.Y.L.
B.L.S. (various albums)
Danzig - I and III
Down - N.O.L.A.
Fear Factory - Demanufacture
Mercyful Fate - Melissa
Megadeth - Peace Sells and Holy Wars
Dan Swano - Moontower

It hasn't been a great year for getting to see concerts. I saw Nugent a couple of times, and I saw B.B. King. I wanted to see Slayer, but I had to work, and I'd like to see Gigantour, but Dave Mustaine is a douchebag and I'd rather not see anymore of my hard-earned cash lining his pockets.

I also had tickets to Aerosmith, which I wasn't too excited about, but they cancelled anyway. Their old rhythm 'n' blues-influenced stuff is great, but I can't say I give a shit about their post-70s material. And they're hardly teh tr00 m3thul anyway.

[aa_overmind]

And I thought everyone on SRK was into faggy club shit. Shows what I know.

I like a lot of music, but over the last couple of days, I've been listening to:

Strapping Young Lad - City and S.Y.L.
B.L.S. (various albums)
Danzig - I and III
Down - N.O.L.A.
Fear Factory - Demanufacture
Mercyful Fate - Melissa
Megadeth - Peace Sells and Holy Wars
Dan Swano - Moontower

It hasn't been a great year for getting to see concerts. I saw Nugent a couple of times, and I saw B.B. King. I wanted to see Slayer, but I had to work, and I'd like to see Gigantour, but Dave Mustaine is a douchebag and I'd rather not see anymore of my hard-earned cash lining his pockets.

I also had tickets to Aerosmith, which I wasn't too excited about, but they cancelled anyway. Their old rhythm 'n' blues-influenced stuff is great, but I can't say I give a shit about their post-70s material. And they're hardly teh tr00 m3thul anyway.

Yeah, thats what I thought.

Its nice that some SRK'ers listen to Danzig, Mercyful Fate, Venom, ect.


I thought they would posting saying pussy-ass Atreyu was metal and bad-ass!!!

What's so bad-ass about a band that named themselves after the kid from The Neverending Story:lame:

[orochi_shin]

aa_overmind- Yeah King Diamond is the shit. Can't get enough of the evil falsetto. I really dug the song he did with Matt Heafy on the Roadrunners United cd. It had the A Mansion in the Dark feel which is awesome because I love that song.

hawaii: Can't believe I forgot about them. Onnn yourrr kneeeeeeeeeeeees!!! Gotta love the singer. What I find awesome is that they look like really nerdy guys who just started hearing Judas Priest one day.

[Gumbercules]

King Diamond rocks

[hawaiigamer142]

hawaii: Can't believe I forgot about them. Onnn yourrr kneeeeeeeeeeeees!!! Gotta love the singer. What I find awesome is that they look like really nerdy guys who just started hearing Judas Priest one day.

haha i know what you mean. i listened to them before i ever saw them and when i did, they're image blew my mind. i wasn't expecting them to look like that.

[ToXY]

Anyone heard the new Maiden album yet (A Matter of Life and Death)?
just got it today and have been listening all day, its one of their top albums imo.

[NEBULOSO]

I didn't see any mention of Bruce Dickinson's solo albums? The Chemical Wedding, Accident of Birth and Tattooed Millionaire are pretty good! :tup:

As for Danzig? 1-3, and 666 SC are my fav of his albums!

Now: Balls to Picasso and The Karelian Isthmus. :wtf:

[RowJoe]

The Absence's CD is seriously really good. I'm also liking Embrace The End a lot.

[hawaiigamer142]

Anyone heard the new Maiden album yet (A Matter of Life and Death)?
just got it today and have been listening all day, its one of their top albums imo.

i can't wait to pick that up myself.

[orochi_shin]

Anyone heard the new Maiden album yet (A Matter of Life and Death)?
just got it today and have been listening all day, its one of their top albums imo.

Is it that good? What is/are the best song/s? They always have a song with like the old school Maiden vibe. I heard the Benjamin Breeg song and I kinda grew bored after the 5 minute mark.

[ToXY]

My favourite songs are "different world" "these colours dont run" "brighter than a thousand suns" "the pilgrim" "the longest day" "the re-encarnation of benjamin breeg" so yeah... pretty much love all the songs, but my very favourite is "these colours dont run"

It's different than early era maiden, so if your looking for something like that you might not like it, but if your willing to hear something a bit different and more progressive you will love this.

[Gumbercules]

ehhh it's ok, but the same rehash maiden shit they've been doing for years. so it's the same songs you know just with a slightly different melody

[goodm0urning]

I honestly don't care for modern Maiden. They're almost a parody of their former selves at this point, like Spinal Tap. They usually have a cool song or two on the radio when a new album comes out, but that's about it.

But man... their 80s stuff is amazing. There was still a slight self-parody quotient, but it was entirely tolerable at that point.

[Khiempossible]

It's a well known fact that maiden uses the same chord progression for every song. They've got a formula and stick to it. See motorhead and AC/DC.

I wasn't impressed at all with Panopticon and when I heard their new one received shitty reviews I didn't bother looking for it.

Agalloch came out with a new one some time ago though. I hadn't realized it until I saw an album I didn't recognize in the record store. As did drudkh, but if you've heard one drudkh album, you've heard them all.

[Armo]

I've had the maiden album since release, and after listening to it all the way through a couple times, I think its great, better than "Brave New World," didnt spend a lot of time with "Dance of Death," but i agree that its not as good as 80s maiden, still great music, we all know Bruce is not the Air-Raid Siren anymore.

Whatever, im still gonna see them next month.

[Myfacehurts24]

Anyone heard "Job for a Cowboy?" They have one album that is SOOO fun.

[Khiempossible]

have you guys ever heard of Job For a Cowboy (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8560683339894846648&q=job+for+a+cowboy)? the guitars are just ok, but i like their drummer.

start here.

[RowJoe]

As Blood Runs Black is cool. I've also been listening to a little bit of Bloodbath, good stuff. I bought a Through the Eyes of the Dead CD, also. Haven't gotten around to reading the lyrics but it seems like they'd be interesting.

[TheSix]

I went to Gigantour yesturday....Opeth :rock: :rock: :rock: :pray: :pray:

[orochi_shin]

My favourite songs are "different world" "these colours dont run" "brighter than a thousand suns" "the pilgrim" "the longest day" "the re-encarnation of benjamin breeg" so yeah... pretty much love all the songs, but my very favourite is "these colours dont run"

It's different than early era maiden, so if your looking for something like that you might not like it, but if your willing to hear something a bit different and more progressive you will love this.

Awesome then. I'll just tell my friend to buy the cd so I listen to it :rofl: I loved Brave New World, but I don't know when I think prog music I don't think about Maiden.

Picked up the new Unearth cd... WOW!! It's fucking awesome. Already can play track 5, I love that Maidenesque intro. But track 8 is by far my fav. These guys surprised the fuck out of me.

[Khiempossible]

can someone please explain to me why they love Opeth so much? I can't sit througha single album without getting disgustipated any more.

[Gumbercules]

doesn't matter if someone explains it, you're not gonna change your opinion so why bother.

[Airthrow]

I can't understand why anyone would listen to an opeth album but I'm just not into black metal that much, more into metalcore and thrash shit myself, different strokes for different folks.

[orochi_shin]

I wish Dethklok would just give us their cd already. It's fucking brutal. Last week we played a small gig and we played Duncan Hills Coffee jingle. The awesome thing was that every freaking one knew the song. It was awesome.

[TheSix]

If it's one thing I have learned, don't bother trying to explain music to people...especially music they do not like.

Opeth is at the fore front of the Progressive metal genre. They are about complicated technique and highly scripted intervoles. If you more into...say...Lamb of God or Madder, I wouldn't expect you to appreciate the music to begin with.

Take it for what it is.

[aa_overmind]

Anybody seen the movie

Metal: A Headbanger's Journey


It was pretty good coming from a Headbanger Anthropologist, especially how it all traces back to Bach and the forbidden tone used in blues that gave it its metal sound!!!

I want to get the DVD so I can check out that mini-documentary on Nowegian Black Metal since he only covered it for a few minutes in the film!!

[Kayin]

I wish Dethklok would just give us their cd already. It's fucking brutal. Last week we played a small gig and we played Duncan Hills Coffee jingle. The awesome thing was that every freaking one knew the song. It was awesome.

DO YOU FOLKS LIKE COFFEEEEEEE!!!11

Gods that show owns. :rofl:

[goodm0urning]

I can't understand why anyone would listen to an opeth album but I'm just not into black metal that much, more into metalcore and thrash shit myself, different strokes for different folks.At the risk of sounding like a stock pretentious music geek, Opeth is hardly black metal.

And they do rule. Blackwater Park is a damn fine album, although the drum production is curiously weak.

[OmegaX]

Anybody seen the movie

Metal: A Headbanger's Journey


It was pretty good coming from a Headbanger Anthropologist, especially how it all traces back to Bach and the forbidden tone used in blues that gave it its metal sound!!!

I want to get the DVD so I can check out that mini-documentary on Nowegian Black Metal since he only covered it for a few minutes in the film!!


Just seen it on VH1. Pretty good, I wouldn't mind buying the DVD myself. My only gripe I guess is that it seemed kind of short and while there were a lot of bands covered I wish he would have gone a lot more in dept (not that he already wasn't)

Maiden's going to stop by Chicago next month at the Allstate Arena. Tickets prices are gonna be up the ass but its Maiden. On the other hand GWAR and BLS are also gonna be stopping by around the same time at a smaller venue which of course means cheaper prices. Any suggestions?
:confused:

[aa_overmind]

Just seen it on VH1. Pretty good, I wouldn't mind buying the DVD myself. My only gripe I guess is that it seemed kind of short and while there were a lot of bands covered I wish he would have gone a lot more in dept (not that he already wasn't)

Maiden's going to stop by Chicago next mon at the Allstate Arena. Tickets prices are gonna be up the ass but its Maiden. On the other hand GWAR and BLS are also gonna be stopping by around the same time at a smaller venue which of course means cheaper prices. Any suggestions?
:confused:

Damn, Maiden is playing in Irvine CA next month, but they sold out of the front row tickets:sad:

You can never say no to GWAR, they still put on the best shows ever!!!

I say if you didn't see Iron Maiden play before or many times before, go see Maiden because they rarely tour across the U.S., GWAR and BLS does it all the time!!

But if you can't get a good ticket for Maiden in time, go get blooddrenched with GWAR:tup:

[orochi_shin]

Anybody seen the movie

Metal: A Headbanger's Journey


It was pretty good coming from a Headbanger Anthropologist, especially how it all traces back to Bach and the forbidden tone used in blues that gave it its metal sound!!!

I want to get the DVD so I can check out that mini-documentary on Nowegian Black Metal since he only covered it for a few minutes in the film!!


Yeah it was fucking awesome. And I do agree that it all traces back to the tritone. Bach was the original shredder.

Kayin: Fuck yeah! I need Dethklok merchandise, I'd go as far as to actually enter a Hot Topic to buy their stuff :confused:

[OmegaX]

Damn, Maiden is playing in Irvine CA next month, but they sold out of the front row tickets:sad:

You can never say no to GWAR, they still put on the best shows ever!!!

I say if you didn't see Iron Maiden play before or many times before, go see Maiden because they rarely tour across the U.S., GWAR and BLS does it all the time!!

But if you can't get a good ticket for Maiden in time, go get blooddrenched with GWAR:tup:

Yeah, last time Maiden was seen on tour was with ozzy during the 05 ozzfest tour. Their concerts sound like a hella good time, but so are GWAR shows. As far as BLS goes they put on good shows, but I've been to better. Eddie vs Oderous

[Khiempossible]

So I pulled out Black Water Park again because someone mentioned it. I was open minded, cause honestly I loved it once upon a time.

While some riffs were cool (actually to be honest the riffs by themselves are all pretty much jizz material) they don't mesh at all. I find I'm listening to it and it's just random cool riff followed by random cool riff with no direction whatsoever. I don't know how you stand it, cause it makes me sick. I'm 7 minutes through the song and I've still gotten nothing out of it. It's just mindless guitar masturbation. They don't even change dynamics. That's probably the worst part. The dynamics AREN'T dynamic. It's always acoustic/electric clean/rasp fast/slow. Fucking predictable. This of course is up to about drapery falls. then I get so bored of hearing second rate song writing that I HAVE to turn the album off. If I don't I would explode.

I've even managed to listen to the latter half the album (usually by starting at track 5). But even then the jizziness of the riffs wear off fast and I'm bored to fuck in 10 seconds.

[TheSix]

Different stroke for different folks as stated. The Drapery Falls is one of their most popular songs. I've listened to it 458548496746451 times and it still has yet to lose its impact for me. The main riff is magical.

[hawaiigamer142]

Anyone catch the Ronnie James Dio interview on the documentary?

He was talking about the devil horn sign that he made "famous" because his grandmother told him that it was used to ward away evil.

Then he made that hilarious side comment after like,

"Go talk to Gene Simmons he'll tell you he invented it, just like he invented breathing and shoes."

God that had me rolling.

[Etcetera]

I want to get the DVD so I can check out that mini-documentary on Nowegian Black Metal since he only covered it for a few minutes in the film!!
Check out youtube, the mini doc is posted there.

[OmegaX]

He ragged on Gene later on in the documentary. Still funny, though I don't know if there's any bad blood between them.

Anyone catch the new Dethklok. The band got owned in the final clip. Wasn't able to tell if Kirk of James had any cameos in this episode, though they always get name credits as if they were regulars.

[aa_overmind]

Yeah, last time Maiden was seen on tour was with ozzy during the 05 ozzfest tour. Their concerts sound like a hella good time, but so are GWAR shows. As far as BLS goes they put on good shows, but I've been to better. Eddie vs Oderous

I saw Maiden during the 05 Ozzfest tour in Devore, CA where the whole Sharon Osbourne retaliation happened, we were pissed off when their set was shutting off during the great parts, and they threw eggs at the British flag:annoy:

Eddie's insane psychopatic attack vs. Oderous sick blood projectiles, its going to be a great fight.

Balsac the Jaws of Death, Beefcake the Mighty and Sexecutioner still owns!!!!!

Check out youtube, the mini doc is posted there.

Thanks, I'll definitely check it out:tup:


Rika mm' from Melt-Banana = Hotness
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/AlphaFredo/Rikamm.jpg

[Azagtoth]

can someone please explain to me why they love Opeth so much? I can't sit througha single album without getting disgustipated any more.

...Because I like their music. I honestly couldn't care less if Akerfeldt's method of songwriting is like a piecemeal construction of random riffs because I feel the end result is satisfactory. I like their sound, their songs, I just generally enjoy them. They also happen to be pretty good live, considering how much of a studio band they are.

You can also count me in as one of the few people who aren't huge fans of Orchid/Morningrise era Opeth, as everything you've explained to be wrong with them is far more noticable on those albums IMO (I have a VERY hard time listening to Black Rose Immortal in particular without getting bored). I personally feel Still Life is their best album.

Basically, if you're looking for some kind of compositional masturbation material, you're not going to find it with them (or with the greater majority of the entire metal genre, as most of it is either too by-the-numbers or too formless), as well you know. Even just considering guitar, they're not all that amazing technically speaking, but for me it doesn't really matter.

I will agree with you on one thing though: their riffs don't tend to transition very well. The change is usually rather abrupt (one of the problems I have with Skyfire as well: I know they're just another cookiecutter melodeath band and all, but they wouldn't be half bad if they learned to use transitions instead of abrupt ass time/key changes that make no sense at all) which is probably what gives that sense of piece meal song construction; it wouldn't be as noticable if he used more transitions.

/ramble

But you already knew this was a pointless question. Such is the nature of opinion. =P

[Khiempossible]

I just hate how I used to love Opeth and now hate their guts. I can't understand why other people can't see how bad they are. I actually bought Still Life last and I tried really fucking hard to enjoy it. But I couldn't.

Personally after hearing all their albums I'd have to rate them as follows:

Best -> worse

Morningrise
Damnation
Orchid
My Arms Your Hearse
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
Blackwater Park
Deliverance

Man I remember back when they were on the verge of releasing Deliverance. I could not control my excitement for the album. Every waking moment was spent waiting for it's release. Then it came out and put it on my cd player and spinned it. I fell asleep. So I said: "maybe I'm just tired" so I spun it a bunch of times trying to find just one piece of it to enjoy, but couldn't. It was complete and utter garbage. Then when damnation came out and I wanted to hear nothing but Harvest/Silhouette/To Bid You Farewell type stuff. Instead I got some heavily Steven Wilsonish tracks with horrendous vocals. However at the point I enjoyed the album more than any other Opeth I had heard since Morningrise.

They say the first album you hear from a band is often your favourite. Funny that I heard Blackwater Park first and Morningrise like 3rd.

http://www.ssmt-reviews.com/db/searchrev.php?artistID=850&showReview=true

The reviews by John Chedsey express my opininon perfectly.

[aa_overmind]

Opeth isn't what it was back then, and I have the same feeling for Deicide!!

Deicide first album was Masterful, but their later albums suck oragutan balls:arazz:

[goodm0urning]

I saw Maiden during the 05 Ozzfest tour in Devore, CA where the whole Sharon Osbourne retaliation happened, we were pissed off when their set was shutting off during the great parts, and they threw eggs at the British flag:annoy: I heard about that. It sucks for the fans and it's absolutely ridiculous behavior on Sharon Osbourne's part... but that's not to say that Bruce Dickinson didn't deserve it.

[Azagtoth]

-snip-

Interesting. I wouldn't have expected you to favor Damnnation over the others. Morningrise, I sort of understand: a lot of people consider it their best (I can see how it is, technically, I just don't find it to be interesting), but what puts Damnnation up there for you?

EDIT: I've remember reading those reviews before, and I knew that particular opinion of them sounded familiar.

EDIT THE SECOND: Btw, I asked you about a bunch of melodic bands earlier in the thread, but I haven't actually been able to get any since I'm on 56k. I did pick up an At The Gates album, but after hearing it and wondering what the big deal was, I then later read it was their worst, so yeah. Which albums should I look out for, if you wouldn't mind letting me know?

[Khiempossible]

At the Gates pretty much rides their glory on the album: With Fear I Kiss the Burning Darkness.

Sorta like how DT rides their glory on The Gallery, In Flames on Colony etc.

Assuming I'm not getting any complaints I'll upload the albums for you.

But while you're waiting feel free to read reviews (then maybe buy albums) from here: http://www.ssmt-reviews.com/db/

EDIT: On damnation, as far as prog rock albums go, it's pretty low tier, but as far as Opeth albums, the fact that was different, bold (in a way), and new makes it rank higher than all their repeat garbage.


Linko Uno
http://rapidshare.de/files/32849353/dark_tranquility_-_the_gallery.rar.html

Link Deux
http://rapidshare.de/files/32924076/in_flames_-__colony.rar.html

Link Drei
http://rapidshare.de/files/33032979/at_the_gates_-with_fear_i_kiss_the_burning_darkness-.rar.html

[Khiempossible]

bump, links are good for a month

[BudaFuka]

I'll take a listen, thnks dude...

[Azagtoth]

bump, links are good for a month

That should be long enough for me to be able to get them. =P

Thanks.

[bigpoppa]

Deicide's new album, The Stench of Redemption is really good. With the Hoffman brothers gone, and Jack Owen( ex-Cannibal Corpse) and Ralph Santolla (ex-Iced Earth) replacing them, they will continue to get better. IMO, this one is up their with Legion

[Gumbercules]

eh a lot of people have just hate for opeth recently, I don't give a shit I still love them and still life is an amazing metal album. also I think In Flame's glory album is probably jester race or whoracle, definately not colony

[Khiempossible]

eh a lot of people have just hate for opeth recently, I don't give a shit I still love them and still life is an amazing metal album. also I think In Flame's glory album is probably jester race or whoracle, definately not colony

Arguably. I would argue they're all pretty lame. I could put Clayman up as well since it's got the heavy hitter single list.

Do you think maybe that people hate on Opeth cause they have a reason? Like maybe that they suck? It's so easy to love a band's shitty music because you love the band. I used to do the exact same thing. But it's true. Opeth have Iron Maiden Syndrome (or AC/DC, or In Flames or whatever) And very few albums have significantly decent song writing to overcome their ability at producing bad music. See unlike AC/DC who wrote a few good songs early on and continue to produce increasingly repetitive song that use the exact same formula but would probably have that same quality if you heard the song first, Opeth just gets lazier and lazier. If you've followed their interviews at all. Which I hope you did cause you honestly have to be mad in love with this band to not hear the shittiness, Opeth works in a very unorthodox way. Akerfeldt sits down for a year after an album and writes and arranges the whole album himself. Everything but the drums pretty much. Then he shows his bandmates. Whatsisname-the-south-american writes drums and they rehearse it til they get bored. This is usually less than 3 times. Then they decide it's awesome (or the other band members refuse to tell akerfeldt it sucks garbage cause they're honestly getting a lot of success for doing pretty much nothing), they go to the studio and their very skilled producer mixes the album.

Back to the rehearse til they're bored point, for blackwater park they rehearsed EXACTLY 3 times. For Deliverance ONCE. Do you see a trend? Opeth needs someone to sit down and arrange and cut they're songs from 9 minutes of meandering garbage into an actual song. Opeth writes riffs very very well, but their songs are just one cool riff after another. They'res no song. You could easily remove the track seperation on all their songs and edit it a little bit and you'd have a 70 minute song easily and you wouldn't even know. Hell that's probably what happens. Akerfedlt will have 70 minutes of riffs and 10 minute songs are the best they can cut it down too because they get bored as fuck listening to their own shitty music.

Songs need to have structure; they need to have a motif, or a feeling, or a mood, an idea basically; they need to have some purpose/place they're going to go; they need to have some cohesion that carries you from one end to the other like a train. A good song will be like your trip from home to the concert (A good blaze would be a better example, but some of you might not relate), with every step you can see where you're going and your excitement increases with every second. Then you get off and feel fucking good. You understand where you are and where you came from and how you got there. Opeth doesn't write songs, they're like a trip from the middle of nowhere to the middle of nowhere with the same repeat dynamics over and over again. Nothing meshes. It's disgusting.

Anyways, just ranting some more. Don't mind me.

[Fadedsun303]

I'm in callmeanewb's shoes as well. I used to like Opeth, then after awhile I asked myself, "Why do I even like this band? They're not that good and the songs get really boring after awhile." And I haven't listened to them since.

[Obliterate]

When is that new Malevolent Creation cd coming out? I thought it was supposed to be released by September?

[Obliterate]

Some quick recommendations:

Nile - Black Seeds of Vengeance (There's one song on there that lasts 11 minutes, and just fucking beasts from start to finish with some nice solos...hell if I remember the name of it though)
God Dethroned - anything
Destroyer 666 - anything (although I'm quite fond of Phoenix Rising)

Anybody got any recommendations for some thrash/death/aggressive shit, in the same vain as Malevolent Creation? Probably my favorite band...

[aa_overmind]

Burzum

[goodm0urning]

Songs need to have structure; they need to have a motif, or a feeling, or a mood, an idea basically; they need to have some purpose/place they're going to go; they need to have some cohesion that carries you from one end to the other like a train.1. Opeth songs tend to have these things. Whether they're used successfully or not is a matter of subjectivity, but if you can't find motifs or basic ideas in Opeth's songs, it's time for a hearing checkup. 2. A song needs to involve three