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Torn Apart

12-22-2007, 08:21 PM

im bummed i missed skeletonwitch, fucking work.
i quit dat job though.
for any california metal heads

some of the LA's Murderfest list got leaked.

On 2007-12-21 23:30, XdismaloneX wrote:
I am drunk right now.

Here's a teaser until I remember what I did.

CONFIRMED:

EXTREME NOISE TERROR
TODAY IS THE DAY
TRAP THEM
MAGRUDER GRIND
CARDIAC ARREST
IMPALED

BANDS ON BOARD BUT WE'RE WORKING ON $$$:
ENTOMBED
BENEDICTION
FORBIDDEN
POISON IDEA
MASSACRE
REPULSION
NUNSLAUGHTER
GHOUL
+ many many more.

sounds good so far! Murderfest 2007 was fucking insane!

i remember when Entombed/Dismember/Grave were suppost to tour the US last year, but the tour got cancelled:sad::sad::sad::sad::sad:

Gasp

12-22-2007, 08:38 PM

pherai:my friend went to that show and the highlight of the show he said was the "abbot shuffle"

tornapart: you went to murderfest '07? back me up on how sweet repulsions set was.

Torn Apart

12-23-2007, 12:32 AM

pherai:my friend went to that show and the highlight of the show he said was the "abbot shuffle"

tornapart: you went to murderfest '07? back me up on how sweet repulsions set was.

Hells yes i went to murderfest 07!!! Repulsion set was fucking increadible, i hope they play Murderfest 08.

EmptyJumpThrow

12-23-2007, 05:57 PM

Gorehound

12-23-2007, 06:47 PM

I was also really fucking looking forward to Entombed/Dismember/Grave. Shit would have been too good.February is bringing some concerts to town though. Should be fun.

Rotting Christ/Immolation
Exodus/Goatwhore/Arsis
King Diamond/Kreator

All in February. Lucky me.

Unlucky us, King Diamond canceled the tour due to a harsh back pain due to recording his new album nonstop with very little sleep:sad:

I hope he heals better, that way he can reschedule the U.S. tour:wink:

EmptyJumpThrow

12-23-2007, 07:07 PM

Unlucky us, King Diamond canceled the tour due to a harsh back pain due to recording his new album nonstop with very little sleep:sad:

I hope he heals better, that way he can reschedule the U.S. tour:wink:

Oh what the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Kreatorrrrrrr come anywaaaaaaaaay

TheSix

12-24-2007, 10:51 PM

Gorehound

12-24-2007, 11:21 PM

Gigantour 2008 line up:

Megadeth
Testament
Children of Bodom
Job for cowboy
High on Fire

Pretty good chance that is for real. The beginning of 08 looks like it will have a shit load of shows for me.

I'm glad I started listening to Augury.

I'll go for Testament and Megadeth, not a fan of the other bands!!

Yeah, the beginning of 08 has some great shows like Iron Maiden, Rotting Christ, Belphegor and Possessed!

I talked to Rick and Bay Cortez of my favorite underground band Sadistic Intent, and they said they are going to play at the Possessed show too since they play for Possessed :rock:

Anybody here likes Flotsam and Jetsam?

krost

12-25-2007, 01:17 AM

On the topic of festivals, I'm really looking forward to this years maryland deathfest. I havn't seen Martyr live yet, great band. Repulsion is on the bill, too :>.

NegroNinja

12-25-2007, 01:51 AM

TheSix

12-25-2007, 11:07 AM

I always go to see HOF when they play out here(they're from Oakland).

It will be a bit odd(yet cool) to see them on a larger stage.

If you're into Doom/stoner metal, they are pretty good.

Gasp

12-25-2007, 11:23 AM

On the topic of festivals, I'm really looking forward to this years maryland deathfest. I havn't seen Martyr live yet, great band. Repulsion is on the bill, too :>.

you lucky bastard.
i'm gonna do all i can to see if i can attend this.

The metal inside of me is pumped to see a shit load of bands on that list

but i cant deny the hardcore/thrash ness

I WILL LOSE IT FOR HELLNATION

OmegaX

12-25-2007, 05:10 PM

TheSix

01-01-2008, 05:54 PM

Well....I was close enough. Line up is the same minus Testament :sad:

It's really kinda shit compared to the previous years(Dream Theatre and Nevermore in 06, and Opeth, Into Eternity last year).

But shits....still going.

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Someone want to recommend me some power metal with non-whiny vocalist? For the new year, I told myself I'd give the genre another shot.

maxx

01-01-2008, 05:55 PM

ive probably asked this before and just dont remember but wuts killswitch engaged considered genre wise?

BaSiK_TeKniK

01-01-2008, 05:57 PM

^ Metalcore? can someone reccommend me some good metal?

Gasp

01-01-2008, 06:03 PM

Someone want to recommend me some power metal with non-whiny vocalist? For the new year, I told myself I'd give the genre another shot.

falconer

Riot Guard

01-01-2008, 08:00 PM

Check out my friend's power metal band, Lorenguard.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6347332

Dencore

01-01-2008, 10:40 PM

new Exodus is garbage. Barely constitutes as thrash.

Agreed they try too hard to be "hardcore". The only song I like from their newest album was "The Garden of Bleeding".

So no STONE (http://youtube.com/watch?v=AAeyTHuvnMs) fans in here?

Torn Apart

01-01-2008, 10:47 PM

any one get the new Electric Wizard album?

and for some reason ive been listening to lots of Marduk lately...

Kayin

01-01-2008, 10:57 PM

Check out my friend's power metal band, Lorenguard.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6347332

Good shit, they're pretty good and honestly that surprised me.

ToXY

01-12-2008, 01:04 AM

Avantasia's new album 'the scarecrow' was leaked today, i have been waiting to hear this for ages, and it didnt disapoint me, it is great... the title track is one of the best songs i've heard in ages, seems this year has been a good year this year for me with Ayreons new album 01011001 and this new avantasia album. =]

krost

01-12-2008, 01:30 AM

Ayreons new album 01011001

:tup:

EmptyJumpThrow

01-12-2008, 07:39 AM

Agreed they try too hard to be "hardcore". The only song I like from their newest album was "The Garden of Bleeding".

So no STONE (http://youtube.com/watch?v=AAeyTHuvnMs) fans in here?

Sir it is not often that a band recommendation comes along that I haven't heard of, especially old school shit. And especially GOOD, old school shit. I thank you. Its not even 10 am and youve made my day. Whats their best album? Self titled probably?

EDIT: Lyrics are hilarious

goodm0urning

01-12-2008, 09:28 AM

Someone want to recommend me some power metal with non-whiny vocalist? For the new year, I told myself I'd give the genre another shot."Old" Synergy, "old" Dark Moor. And I don't say "old" because it's actually old, but because both oddly featured damn good female lead singers in their original lineup.

Dark Moor actually isn't a terribly good band, but their vocalist is so good that it's almost not worth caring about.

Also, did anyone see that yet another one of Mustaine's hired guns has quit/been fired?

krost

01-12-2008, 12:48 PM

Whats their best album? Self titled probably?

No Anaesthesia! is good

ToXY

01-12-2008, 11:10 PM

Yeah i agree, the female vocals in Dark Moor were the best vocals i heard on metal, so much better than that nightwish chick... she was just plain annoying lol.

Dencore

01-13-2008, 11:45 AM

Sir it is not often that a band recommendation comes along that I haven't heard of, especially old school shit. And especially GOOD, old school shit. I thank you. Its not even 10 am and youve made my day. Whats their best album? Self titled probably?

EDIT: Lyrics are hilarious

STONE is probably the most under-rated metal band of all-time.

Anyway here are some facts:

- They play thrash metal (as you can hear)

- The lead guitarist is very good

- The lead guitarist is now in Children of Bodom (and is Alexi Laiho's "idol"

- They have 4 Albums: STONE, No Anaesthesia, Colours, Emotional Playground (They came out in that order)

- 3 out of the 4 are all God-Like, the 4th one goes the "experimental" route and is "love it or hate it"

- They are now disbanded

- They have a DVD that recently came out called "Get Stoned, Stay Stone" which is widely available due to its recent release.

- Their albums are impossible to find at retailers and very hard to find online (especially if you want all of them). Even when you do it the "unethical" way their still very hard to find. The only way you can get the albums is by searching for weeks online or.....well I don't know if I can say it.

I will now explain the albums:

STONE - Their first one, which it also feels like. This one has the whole "play for fun" mood and is pretty energetic (instrumental wise), in general their most "traditional" album for lack of better words.

No Anaesthesia - Their second album, this is referred by most thrash metal fans as the "Greatest Thrash Metal Album of All-Time" with every review site I've seen giving it a perfect 10. It's more complex then the first with songs tending to be longer, it also has a much darker tone as well.

Colours - Their third album, and is probably the most complex thrash metal album I've heard (besides Latvala Brothers). The songs are in general longer then the previous 2 and is by far their "darkest" album. It is said to contain the most hard to play and memorable riffs in all of their albums.

Emotional Playground - Their fourth and final album, is also the most unpraised. You know when one of your favorite bands stop playing the music they usually play and go to a more of an "adult and experimental" route? Well that's pretty much in a nutshell for what happens here. It still contains STONE's complex riffs and much of their playing styles but just feels a little too different from the rest for fans to grasp hold of. Definitely the "love it or hate it" album of the four.

In terms of best album, about 70% of STONE fans prefer their second one "No Anaesthesia", I however prefer Colours since I love the complexity.

I'm going to link you to some of their best songs they have on video (though they have better):

Get Stoned (http://youtube.com/watch?v=uaw90R2gHoc&feature=related)

Brain Damage (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OS-9LBRIWrY&feature=related)

No Commands (http://youtube.com/watch?v=PsjZ3RvEvBU&feature=related)

erikstanton

01-13-2008, 12:02 PM

how do you guys feel about the GISM album titled "MAN". and how do you feel about the R.U.G. album "Deathly Fighter".

gism in general is a bunch of nuts and other albums would just be considered punk/japcore, but MAN is pretty great.

Armo

01-13-2008, 12:33 PM

Good Power metal?

For my money you cant go wrong Blind Guardian, Helloween, Gamma Ray, and Rhapsody(of Fire).

Blind Guardian: later albums(Somewhere Far Beyond and up) are some of my favs, Plus im a HUGE fan of vocalist Hansi Kursch!:pray:
Helloween: Keeper 1&2 albums are classics cant go wrong there:tup:
Gamma Ray: all around are good.
Rhapsody(of Fire): like Nightwish but with a male vocalist, lots of orchestral arrangements , VERY GOOD though.:rock:

Dencore

01-13-2008, 01:15 PM

^^^Hell ya Blind Guardian are the shit! :)

EmptyJumpThrow

01-13-2008, 01:18 PM

ToXY

01-13-2008, 07:49 PM

nnnnniiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhttttfffffaaaaaaallllll l

Debaser

01-13-2008, 08:01 PM

Quietly it crept in and changed us all

Torn Apart

01-13-2008, 08:09 PM

any here hear the new Electric Wizard album? shit is too good!

Gorehound

01-13-2008, 08:21 PM

STONE

HOLY SHIT!!!

I haven't heard someone talk about STONE for so many years :tup:

You all know whats another great thrash band........RAZOR!

Repugnant and Destroyer 666 are also awesome as fuck bands :bgrin:

Dios <-X->

01-13-2008, 08:34 PM

Dark Moor hmmm? * searches *

ToXY

01-13-2008, 09:48 PM

If your looking for a dark moor album to get, get gates of oblivion.

Dencore

01-14-2008, 02:25 PM

Best thrash metal of all time? Come on, no need to exaggerate. They sound good in those videos, really good. But I refuse to believe that even they're best work can top the best albums of Exodus, Megadeth, Kreator, Sadus, Slayer, Holy Terror, Annihilator, Artillery, Coroner, Death Angel, Metallica, Destruction, Infernal Majesty, Venom, etc etc etc. I love my thrash, but that is an audacious claim. I will "find" their albums and give them a listen, I'm sure they are quality, but lets not get into the "best of all time" stuff. Thanks for the recommendation.

I find them to be the best as well as most people I introduced it to. Well there is no "best" thrash band it's all opinionated.

Children of Bodom blows.

Agreed, especially the "new"Bodom.

HOLY SHIT!!!

I haven't heard someone talk about STONE for so many years :tup:

You all know whats another great thrash band........RAZOR!

Repugnant and Destroyer 666 are also awesome as fuck bands :bgrin:

People usually get shocked at my age when they see me talk about this stuff.

krost

01-19-2008, 09:05 PM

Anybody hear the new Cynic?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=g0MQJTVYwVw

DarkGiygas

01-22-2008, 07:05 PM

new meshuggah is :amazed:

Episode_667

01-22-2008, 08:17 PM

new meshuggah is :amazed:

I both like and hate it. They keep doing that "stop in the middle of the song, play really quiet picking to lull things, then BANG right back in" trick, which I dislike, personally. That and they haven't really moved out of the riffing style that started when they switched to 8-strings. There are definite signs of moving back to the Chaosphere / DEI style, but a lot of the riffs still rely on droning with the 8th string, in a "listen to how LOW this note is!" kinda way. I dunno. I'm going to need a few more listens - I like it better than Catch 33 and possibly 'I', but definitely not Chaosphere (my favourite of theirs).

Sunn O)))

01-22-2008, 08:21 PM

Oh man, mega lol at the title of the new Belphegor album.

Bondage Goat Zombie, I kid you not.

I love Belphegor.

Kang Do

01-22-2008, 08:29 PM

Grits'N'Gravy

01-22-2008, 08:42 PM

Is there Power Metal with deathgrowls? That'd be pretty funny.

"WE RUN UP AND GRAB THE KEY, UNSHEATH THE SWORD AND KILL THE MIGHTY DRAAAAAAGONNN"

Sorry if that's a stereotype, the only power metal I've heard is Dragonforce and their vocalist is so gay I can't even give the genre a serious shot.

TheSix

01-22-2008, 09:06 PM

krost

01-22-2008, 09:49 PM

anyone here listen to !T.O.O.H! ?

http://www.mediafire.com/?femcek31zuw

Kang Do

01-22-2008, 10:23 PM

Although it's debatable whether they're Power Metal and it's certainly not death growling, Matt Barlow from Iced Earth often gets credit for being able to produce vocals that aren't (entirely) related to the normally cheesy high pitched vocals associated with Power Metal.

Most bands with a Power Metal sound that have more growling-style vocals find themselves casted in an entirely different genre of metal altogether such as Ensiferum (who I'll recommend) which is Folk/Viking metal. Much of the melodic vocals that you typically hear from Power Metal is the genre's main signature. Some bands definitely do a better job than others though of making you forget the cheesiness and appreciate the music. Thinking of Dragonforce when hearing Power Metal is probably about the same as thinking of Cradle of Filth when hearing Black Metal.

NegroNinja

01-30-2008, 02:40 PM

So Blabbermouth actually comes through every now and then.

Anyone heard Cavalera Conspiracy yet? After I had that track inflikted I kinda sighed to myself and said "Great, Soulfly with Igor"...then Sanctuary came out and hoooooooooly shit! It's not exactly Arise era Sep but I think it's the closest thing I've ever heard to it in a longer time.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=89563

TheSix

03-10-2008, 11:53 PM

Bootleg version of Opeth's new song has officially melted my face (shit quality and all).

http://www.zshare.net/audio/87446817dd5950/

Akutabi Gamma

03-11-2008, 12:43 AM

Any word on any future Nightwish albums?

EDIT: Oh yeah what are some Black Sabbath albums you guys would recommend?

goodm0urning

03-11-2008, 01:13 AM

EDIT: Oh yeah what are some Black Sabbath albums you guys would recommend?The first five are absolutely necessary. And Heaven and Hell.

ToXY

03-11-2008, 02:17 AM

best sabbath albums imo are heaven and hell and mob rules

goodm0urning

03-11-2008, 06:10 AM

Mob Rules is not nearly as good as Heaven and Hell. It's an upper-mid tier Sabbath album, at best.

Shaft Agent

03-11-2008, 08:30 AM

Meshuggah today. will get.

Episode_667

03-11-2008, 10:55 AM

Meshuggah today. will get.

<-- Picked up Meshuggah 20 minutes ago. I've had the advance for a while and I love it. Definitely their strongest collection of SONGS since Chaosphere, imho. The opening riff to the title track is just crushing.

I updated my "CDs - to - Get" list just now, here's what I need to pick up, or what I'm looking forward to in the next couple of months:

Scarve - Luminiferous
Insomnium - Since the Day It All Came Down
Raintime - Tales From Sadness
Novembre - Materia
Mercenary - Architect of Lies
Firewind- The Premonition
In Flames - A Sense of Purpose
Joe Satriani - Professor Satchafunkilus and the Musterion Of Rock
Children of Bodom- Blooddrunk
Textures - Silhouettes

Edit: also downloaded the upcoming Korpiklaani album today. It's ok, but not something I personally pick up. "Tales Along this Road" is their only album I own, nothing else really grabs me.

pherai

03-11-2008, 10:58 AM

^
That's a lot of CD's. I never get more than like 5-6 CD's a year.

Episode_667

03-11-2008, 11:07 AM

^
That's a lot of CD's. I never get more than like 5-6 CD's a year.

I have a serious collector problem, lol - I'm at 302 CDs right now. A lot of that comes from bands with strong discographies, though. Dark Tranquillity, In Flames Metallica, Meshuggah, Dimmu, Emperor, Apocalyptica, etc. I also love discovering new artists and hunting for new music I haven't heard, so that contributes as well.

Also, this spring is just crazy in itself - it seems that almost every band I really like decided to release a new album at around the same time. A no-good conspiracy, I tells ya.

Edit 2: I looked at the previous page and saw my post where I gave my initial comments about obZen. I still don't like the "really quiet sparse picking" passages, especially because it's done on two consecutive tracks here (3 and 4), but the rest I've definitely warmed up to.

pherai

03-11-2008, 11:38 AM

Well, it takes me a long time to digest music. I usually spend between 3 weeks to 2 months (although good albums stay in rotation for a year or more) listening to a new album unless I just don't like it, and I only really listen to music while I'm driving or sometimes at work. I can never really take stock in music reviews (although I always get a laugh at buddyhead reviews) because it's only after like 3 listens at most.

CarreauOverkill

03-11-2008, 11:40 AM

shade empire's new album comes out this weekend

party party

krost

03-11-2008, 01:41 PM

shade empire's new album comes out this weekend

party party

yes, party party indeed :party:

pherai

03-12-2008, 12:14 AM

http://www.kfc.ca/home/en/wicked_crunch_contest.php

This shit is too funny. I need some fried chicken now.

NegroNinja

03-12-2008, 12:23 AM

http://www.kfc.ca/home/en/wicked_crunch_contest.php

This shit is too funny. I need some fried chicken now.

Made me hungry, good commercial.

Akutabi Gamma

03-12-2008, 02:32 AM

Thanks for the titles guys, gonna try to get them.

Episode_667

03-12-2008, 07:21 AM

http://www.kfc.ca/home/en/wicked_crunch_contest.php

This shit is too funny. I need some fried chicken now.

I'm impressed at how good of a parody that band is. Usually the mainstream is out of touch on more "underground" music, but whatever marketing firm KFC hired did a bang-up job. And I love how their name is a play off the font "Helvetica". So awesome.

P. Gorath

03-12-2008, 10:31 AM

going to Earth Crisis/Shai Hulud/Terror/Sworn Enemy tonight...im psyched

CarreauOverkill

03-12-2008, 10:33 AM

yes, party party indeed :party:

Actually it came today. AND I HAVE IT. And I've orgasmed a few dozen times.

Hecatom

05-27-2008, 01:38 PM

do i can post links for cds here in srk?

Dios <-X->

05-27-2008, 01:58 PM

do not post links in which you can download music illegally.

And does anyone listen to disturbed? has anyone peeped the upcoming album coming out next week? i really was digging 10,000 fists.

Dencore

05-27-2008, 02:14 PM

Fuck Guitars!

Cellos for Life! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjQGt7WjK0)

:razz:

Gorehound

05-27-2008, 03:00 PM

I have a serious collector problem, lol - I'm at 302 CDs right now. A lot of that comes from bands with strong discographies, though. Dark Tranquillity, In Flames Metallica, Meshuggah, Dimmu, Emperor, Apocalyptica, etc. I also love discovering new artists and hunting for new music I haven't heard, so that contributes as well.

Also, this spring is just crazy in itself - it seems that almost every band I really like decided to release a new album at around the same time. A no-good conspiracy, I tells ya.

Edit 2: I looked at the previous page and saw my post where I gave my initial comments about obZen. I still don't like the "really quiet sparse picking" passages, especially because it's done on two consecutive tracks here (3 and 4), but the rest I've definitely warmed up to.

Me and you man!

Not only do I collect a ton of CD's ( and I have rare ones too that go on ebay for $80+ dollars) but I collect Vinyl too, especially Metal/Punk vinyl where they only make 100 copies of!

One of the vinyls I bought back in 2001 for only $15, I see now on Ebay being sold for $575 :wow:

I ain't selling my collection :bgrin:

BudaFuka

07-12-2008, 10:01 PM

This thread is lively, anybody got any info on the new Dragonlord album...

Armo

07-12-2008, 11:22 PM

I started listening to Judas Priest's latest(Nostradamus) its pretty good not like the classics, but good nonetheless, I'm gonna see them this August at the Masters of Metal Tour, with Heaven and Hell(Dio fronted Sabbath), Motorhead, and Testament!:rock:

Speaking of Sabbath, i recommend the first 3 albums(self titled, Paranoid, Master of Reality), if you like what you hear then buy the next 7 studio albums + Dehumanizer, the Dio era sabbath is just as good as the Ozzy albums.

Saw Iron Maiden last month here in Chicago, great show, the crowd didn't seem to be all that wild, damn those Americans, with their short attention spans, can't get the crowd to sing along like they do in Rio....or Europe... or Mexico...or South America :mad:

Little off topic, but Lauren Harris(daughter of Steve, the bassist for Maiden) opened for Maiden, music sucked but damn:hitit:

BBQ

07-13-2008, 12:10 AM

Any one catch the documentary on vh1 on the history of metal tonight? I thought it was alright.
I have been youtubing Sex Machineguns for quite a while now. Besides that, got into Blind Guardian and other power metal stuff.

NeoBlood

07-13-2008, 12:14 AM

The new Opeth album has been out for a month and a half and has been in my CD player the whole time. Its godly. The only thing I think I dont like about it is the new guitarist, but the new drummer is TOP QUALITY. Im cursed to live smack dab in the middle of an area where they dont tour.

I just heard these guys today called Whats He Building In There? and they sound pretty good.

www.myspace.com/whbit

the T1AN

07-13-2008, 02:24 AM

^ That's the first I album I legitimately purchased (aside from Watershed) in a long time.
I'm really digging it, because the lyrics/story are amazing. It took me a couple listens to get exactly what was supposed to be going on, but it was worth it.

I've been listening to Watershed a lot and my reactions have been all over the place, although recently it's settle on being pretty positive. It definetely sounds like they're in the middle of transition though, at least that was the first thing on my mind the first time I listened to it. It just seemed really short and incomplete to me. Not to say it made it worse in any way, but it's leaving me super hyped for their next album.

goodm0urning

07-13-2008, 10:31 AM

Speaking of Sabbath, i recommend the first 3 albums(self titled, Paranoid, Master of Reality), if you like what you hear then buy the next 7 studio albums + Dehumanizer, the Dio era sabbath is just as good as the Ozzy albums.Volume 4 and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath aren't as representative of their signature sound (sludgy, slow, foreboding), but they are more progressive and they're masterpieces in their own right. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is my favorite Black Sabbath album.

As for Dio, I'm not a huge fan of that era. Heaven and Hell is as good as any classic Sabbath album, but I think there's a drop-off in quality after that.

Gorehound

07-13-2008, 10:34 AM

Hopefully I can make it to see At The Gates next Sat., Repulsion is opening for them :tup:

Gasp

07-13-2008, 11:14 AM

^ at the gates/muncipal waste/repulsion

:) i might go to the pomona show

Khiempossible

07-13-2008, 11:15 AM

boris is in town tonight. I'm going.

Im completely amped.

fuck anybody who doesn't know boris.

BudaFuka

07-13-2008, 11:23 AM

The new Opeth album has been out for a month and a half and has been in my CD player the whole time. Its godly. The only thing I think I dont like about it is the new guitarist, but the new drummer is TOP QUALITY. Im cursed to live smack dab in the middle of an area where they dont tour.

I think it's implied that an Opeth album will always at least be above average...

unless you're this guy...
http://www.unholycult.com/Opeth_-_Watershed.html

Gorehound

07-13-2008, 11:24 AM

^ at the gates/muncipal waste/repulsion

:) i might go to the pomona show

Oh yeah, thats the one, its much closer and louder than Hollywood :bgrin:

I hope Repulsion plays right before At The Gates, they are actually a more earlier band than ATG and their shows are brutal.

Now it all depends on the Supervisor doing me that favor and giving me a morning or mid shift that day.

Khiempossible

07-13-2008, 11:30 AM

I think it's implied that an Opeth album will always at least be above average...

unless you're this guy...
http://www.unholycult.com/Opeth_-_Watershed.html

actually i used to be huge opeth fan. then i opened my mind and started listening to bands that weren't opeth and discovered that opeth sucks.

I bought everythign up to damnation. The only album they ever did worth the money was morningrise. Everything else is booooooooooring. especially after steven wilson took over on production. it's the same soft/hard mixup every time. the same mishmashed riffs with no direction. ugh.

john chedsey covers my opinion pretty well: http://ssmt-reviews.com/artist/opeth.html

BudaFuka

07-13-2008, 11:41 AM

started listening to bands that weren't opeth and discovered that opeth sucks.

I'll bite, want to throw out some recommendations...

Gasp

07-13-2008, 11:48 AM

didn't know boris was touring

thanks for the heads up <3

gorehound:i just hope darkest hour plays first so i can skip them

Gorehound

07-13-2008, 12:35 PM

didn't know boris was touring

thanks for the heads up <3

gorehound:i just hope darkest hour plays first so i can skip them

Yeah, I forgot about Boris, looks like 8/3 in LA with Lair of the Minotaur!!!

:rofl: That way we don't have to arrive too early to the show, if not we can always use a break.

Once Repulsion plays "Black Breath" the crowd will unleash their insanity :bgrin:

TheSix

07-13-2008, 01:23 PM

actually i used to be huge opeth fan. then i opened my mind and started listening to bands that weren't opeth and discovered that opeth sucks.

I bought everythign up to damnation. The only album they ever did worth the money was morningrise. Everything else is booooooooooring. especially after steven wilson took over on production. it's the same soft/hard mixup every time. the same mishmashed riffs with no direction. ugh.

john chedsey covers my opinion pretty well: http://ssmt-reviews.com/artist/opeth.html

Steven Wilson - 3/9 albums :confused:

Riffs with no directions? Maybe on Watershed. But not on any other album. The 90s albums aren't even remotely comparable to anything after Blackwater Park.

----------------------

So yesterday was the Mayhem Tour. Not being able to go to the Slaughter tour, this was a nice diversion.

I skipped all the 2nd and 3rd stage bands except for Machine Head. They aren't what they used to be, but I was very grateful to hear them instead of Underoath. Damn me for showing up 10 minutes too early.

Mastodon...I'm a casual fan. But they suffered from the worst mix on the main stage. Way too muddy. But enjoyable.

Dragonforce - Not as bad as I had made them out to be (and definitely not as bad as that Youtube video). They had a great sound mix and an even better stage presence. Too bad 3/4 crowd was seated for the majority of their set. Hence, they spent a lot of time complaining about it. The frontman had to run around the entire amphitheater to get people to stand. Enjoyable, but all of their songs sound exactly the same. Same pattern over and over.

Disturbed and Slipknot - Excellent. Yeah I grew out of these bands years ago, but it was nice to hear some old favorites even if my taste has changed dramatically. The sound was perfect and they played all the hits.

Up next - Stone temple Pilots and Metal Masters!

DarkGiygas

07-13-2008, 01:43 PM

Boris is playing here tomorrow night, but its sold out. :sad:

pherai

07-13-2008, 04:18 PM

unless you're this guy...
http://www.unholycult.com/Opeth_-_Watershed.html

Ugh. All that dude did was drop as many different band names as possible and complain that they aren't brutal enough.

BudaFuka

07-13-2008, 04:46 PM

Ugh. All that dude did was drop as many different band names as possible and complain that they aren't brutal enough.

Yup, pretty much...

actually i used to be huge opeth fan. then i opened my mind and started listening to bands that weren't opeth and discovered that opeth sucks.

I bought everythign up to damnation. The only album they ever did worth the money was morningrise. Everything else is booooooooooring. especially after steven wilson took over on production. it's the same soft/hard mixup every time. the same mishmashed riffs with no direction. ugh.

john chedsey covers my opinion pretty well: http://ssmt-reviews.com/artist/opeth.html

Still waiting for this guy to do that...

Azagtoth

07-13-2008, 05:25 PM

The only album they ever did worth the money was morningrise. Everything else is booooooooooring.

Ugh what is with people stating that "Morningrise is the best they ever did" and then saying "everything else is a directionless mess" when Morningrise is exactly that only with 15-20 minute long songs and terrible ass production?

I know we've spoken about this before and I'm to understand you just prefer their pre-MAYH sound, but that reasoning is pretty terrible.

Anyway, I downloaded a bunch of Novembre albums on a recommendation (was looking for some melodic-doomy stuff like Swallow the Sun and Daylight Dies) and I really like what I've heard. If anyone is into that sort of stuff, do check them out.

pherai

07-14-2008, 06:54 AM

Dragonforce - ...Enjoyable, but all of their songs sound exactly the same. Same pattern over and over.

This is part of why I really like DF. I think metalheads have to have a sense of humor about metal sometimes and not take it so seriously. I've heard interviews where Li openly admits to writing only fast songs. Certainly I would never consider them one of my favorite bands, but their music is super fun, and I really enjoyed them live. Shit man, Mortician has put out tons of albums that sound exactly the same, and they kick ass.

Khiempossible

07-14-2008, 09:09 AM

I'll bite, want to throw out some recommendations...

depends on what kind of metal you like to hear man.

If you like the meandering long songs of heavy riffage later Isis (post celestial) is my number one recommendation. If you like the proggy aspect of opeth Cynic (basically their one album: focus) is the best in that category.

But Im like a total drone/doom/sludge/minimalist fan these days.

Ulver remains my number one all time favourite band though

pherai

07-14-2008, 09:21 AM

Madrigal of the night is good, although I've grown out of my liking of "raw" black metal. They need to give that shit the Stormblast 2005 treatment.

BudaFuka

07-14-2008, 11:53 AM

depends on what kind of metal you like to hear man.

If you like the meandering long songs of heavy riffage later Isis (post celestial) is my number one recommendation. If you like the proggy aspect of opeth Cynic (basically their one album: focus) is the best in that category.

But Im like a total drone/doom/sludge/minimalist fan these days.

Ulver remains my number one all time favourite band though

Well, now that you say that, I can see why you don't like Opeth...

Been meaning to get into doom for a while, know any good stuff, barring the ultra-typical "Black Sabbath", "Candlemass" answer?...

draculid

07-14-2008, 12:07 PM

well, now that you say that, i can see why you don't like opeth...

Been meaning to get into doom for a while, know any good stuff, barring the ultra-typical "black sabbath", "candlemass" answer?...

Warning

Khiempossible

07-14-2008, 01:32 PM

Well, now that you say that, I can see why you don't like Opeth...

Been meaning to get into doom for a while, know any good stuff, barring the ultra-typical "Black Sabbath", "Candlemass" answer?...

Orange Goblin if you like stoner rock/doom http://youtube.com/watch?v=FBSTvOSKHh0
Reverend Bizarre is doom doom. But their songs are hit and miss i loved this one though: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kg8cbR1ZiAs
Saint Vitus is an acquired taste but delicious http://youtube.com/watch?v=5Dz8F1POXMI
Earthride is nice cause they have a southern rock vibe going on http://youtube.com/watch?v=li8hQj_kg6Y
Cathedral is just excellent http://youtube.com/watch?v=d9Qdj7pt7Iw
Electric Wizard if you like the eclectic dronish doom http://youtube.com/watch?v=VtacVgxrlQU
Bongzilla makes decent music if you like potsmoke http://youtube.com/watch?v=zztfWdpbruA

oh Sleep's holy mountain is fucking excellent. they're dopesmoker/jerusalem thing was much more eclectic. http://youtube.com/watch?v=zj9IAvv32wE

Earth is brilliant, but they're much more drone and they've gone into atmospheric rock ala godspeed you black emperor! http://youtube.com/watch?v=zD-J8O2fLf4

mare from toronto is superb. Very eclectic though, they had one colossal doom riffage breakdown on the track "they sent you" http://youtube.com/watch?v=eWXJ5nfkKe4

just find some songs you like then try a few hours with some internet radio.

pandora and live365 are decent tools for find music

EDIT: youtube is so convenient for quickly finding tracks

Saint Vitus really are the kings of doom though.

I keep reediting. Anyways if you find doom too slow, type O negative basically does doom riffs played fast over piano and sing about love.

BudaFuka

07-14-2008, 01:36 PM

Orange Goblin if you like stoner rock/doom
Reverend is doom doom. But their songs are hit and miss
Saint Vitus is an acquired taste
Earthride is nice cause they have a southern rock vibe going on
Cathedral is just excellent
Electric Wizard if you like the eclectic dronish doom
Bongzilla makes decent music if you like potsmoke

oh Sleep's holy mountain is fucking excellent. they're dopesmoker/jerusalem thing was much more eclectic. just cause: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zj9IAvv32wE

Earth is brilliant, but they're much more drone and they've gone into atmospheric rock ala godspeed you black emperor!

mare from toronto is superb. Very eclectic though, they had one colossal doom riff on the track "they sent you"

just find some songs you like then try a few hours with some internet radio.

pandora and live365 are decent tools for find music

Thnx, guess I'll be busy today...

Shishioh

07-14-2008, 01:38 PM

Death metal makes me wanna doodoo so I generally stay away.

Judas Preist
Megadeth
Sonata Arctica
Dark Moor
Freedom Call

Can't get enough.

Khiempossible

07-14-2008, 05:12 PM

how can i forget spirit caravan?

those guys were fucking awesome

and the obsessed.

christ. so much good doom out there.

Shishioh

07-15-2008, 02:34 AM

How does one tell me my music taste is bad yet pos reps me?

Khiempossible

07-15-2008, 06:29 AM

because I think the rep system sucks.

there's no bad taste in music. I just think yours sucks. I pos rep you cause you don't deserve to be red.

it's my own little personal joke of srk. i wouldn't neg rep just because we have a difference in opinion.

BudaFuka

07-15-2008, 07:59 AM

how can i forget spirit caravan?

those guys were fucking awesome

and the obsessed.

christ. so much good doom out there.

Jesus Christ, the edits...

Listened to Sleep's Holy Mountain, and Dopesmoker, Holy Mountain was pretty solid, and Dopesmoker's certainly one of the most interesting things I've heard all year...

Guess I'll get back to work...

pherai

07-15-2008, 08:08 AM

Death metal makes me wanna doodoo so I generally stay away.

Judas Preist
Megadeth
Sonata Arctica
Dark Moor
Freedom Call

Can't get enough.

I haven't heard the last 2, but the first 3 are great!

Shishioh

07-15-2008, 08:16 AM

Check out Dark Moor, Freedom Call, and Kamelot if you like what I like to call "Battle" music.

Half of these bands people are mentioning I've never heard of. If they curse, even more so. I see pointless cussin' in metal as a cop out.

goodm0urning

07-15-2008, 09:16 AM

Check out Dark Moor, Freedom Call, and Kamelot if you like what I like to call "Battle" music. Their lady vocalist is really something. The crap they put out after she left isn't worth much though.

pherai

07-15-2008, 09:28 AM

Chick vocalist eh? I've always had a hard time getting into that. I definitely can't dig shit like Arch Enemy. It's just a gimmick for them. I'll give Dark Moor a listen though.

goodm0urning

07-15-2008, 09:31 AM

Chick vocalist eh? I've always had a hard time getting into that. I definitely can't dig shit like Arch Enemy. It's just a gimmick for them. I'll give Dark Moor a listen though.I'm really particular about vocalists, and I'm of the opinion that girls generally cannot do metal. I'll make a few exceptions, though. The Sinergy chick is one. The Dark Moor chick is another. I'm not a huge fan of either band because I think their material is generally weak, but the vocals are interesting enough that I'll give them an occasional listen anyway. They're not the typical pretty girl vocals you get from a band like Nightwish, and they're not the wannabe male cookie monster vocals you get from Kittie or Arch Enemy either. They're more distinctive.

Khiempossible

07-15-2008, 10:55 AM

girls can totally do metal:

http://www.myspace.com/tokyosexwhale1

bassist is a girl and sings occasionally

Boris in fact has a female bassist as well. but then again I don't consider boris to be metal.

but yeah, getting female vocalists for the pure sake of female vocals is 99 times out of a 100 a gimmick.

pherai

07-15-2008, 11:01 AM

Can't check myspace at work but women holding guitars is the most awkward thing to watch in the world. It's seriously painful to watch. The only exception is Cassandra in Wayne's World.

PanderanGambler

07-15-2008, 11:02 AM

Can't check myspace at work but women holding guitars is the most awkward thing to watch in the world. It's seriously painful to watch. The only exception is Cassandra in Wayne's World.

Hot asian woman look good holding anything.

Sunn O)))

07-15-2008, 11:23 AM

pherai

07-15-2008, 11:27 AM

Also Amon Amarth is coming back to the House of Blues with Ensiferum and BELPHEGOR oh my god I can't even tell you.

Wow. I hope I'm able to catch this. Ensiferum is great. It's been a while since I've listened to Belphegor. Time to catch up.

TheSix

07-15-2008, 11:35 AM

Couple awesome concerts coming up

Opeth, who I don't really care about, but they're with Baroness and High on Fire so that's tight.

Already got my pre-sale tickets! :encore::encore:

October can't come quick enough.

Gorehound

07-15-2008, 01:54 PM

Couple awesome concerts coming up

Opeth, who I don't really care about, but they're with Baroness and High on Fire so that's tight. Also Amon Amarth is coming back to the House of Blues with Ensiferum and BELPHEGOR oh my god I can't even tell you.

Amon Amarth
Ensiferum
Belphegor
OH MY!!!

Amon Amarth
Ensiferum
Belphegor
OH MY!!!

:bgrin:

And on that Asian chick thing, I would totally do the bassist chick from Melt-Banana :bgrin:

I just bought that new Cannibal Corpse DVD, its pretty good and the "History of" section is 3 hours long :wow:

Carcass better finish their U.S. tour with a Southern California date, its blasphemy if they don't!!!!

Canto

07-15-2008, 02:10 PM

Battle music? Falconer and Blind Guardian... Dragonforce too if you can stand it.

BudaFuka

07-15-2008, 02:43 PM

Battle music? Falconer and Blind Guardian... Dragonforce too if you can stand it.

Doomsword...

DarkGiygas

07-15-2008, 06:22 PM

Boris in fact has a female bassist as well. but then again I don't consider boris to be metal.
isnt she the guitarist? i thought the lead singer played bass

Torn Apart

07-15-2008, 06:27 PM

isnt she the guitarist? i thought the lead singer played bass

yea, the girl plays guitar while the lead singer plays bass.

also i had no idea the singer/guitar for Cretin got a sex change.:wtf:

pherai

07-15-2008, 06:41 PM

also i had no idea the singer/guitar for Cretin got a sex change.:wtf:

:rofl: I'm glad I've never even heard of them.

Khiempossible

07-15-2008, 07:58 PM

i'm confident the lead singer plays one of those stupid double necked guitars, but it could be that wata plays guitar as well. it certainly seems that way now that i look at their videos.

I seem to recall her playing bass at the show. But I was having a total experience with the drummer. And I was drunk. So could be. Their regular guest and rhythm guitarist was there. So maybe Wata took over on bass.

Torn Apart

07-15-2008, 08:05 PM

i'm confident the lead singer plays one of those stupid double necked guitars

double necked BASS

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mXr1nTsWKYk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t_GgowniQWk

Khiempossible

07-15-2008, 10:00 PM

so it seems.

I hope nobody faults me for my assumption though. double necked bass are most unusual.

Deathsythe

07-15-2008, 10:14 PM

I have been on a bit of a Dio binge lately I almost got forgot how good (most, almost all) of his stuff is. Also listening to a bit of Mors Principium Est though I really think The Unborn was likely their high point thus far. Not to say that Liberation=Termination was bad, however.

Khiempossible

07-16-2008, 07:03 PM

pherai

07-16-2008, 07:06 PM

When there's LIGHTNING!

BudaFuka

07-16-2008, 07:15 PM

It's funny. I can't stand Dio, but I love Dio era Rainbow.

The only time he sounded good too, Stargazer still gives me goosebumps...

brian

07-16-2008, 07:29 PM

I'm going to see Cavalera Conspiracy on Friday.. man I am so hyped for this..

If anyone didnt check out their album, Inflikted, its sick good.

BaSiK_TeKniK

07-16-2008, 08:47 PM

is it me or that Dragonforce has gotten to the point of being just downright annoying? People act they are the only band that exists on the face of this earth :bluu:

pherai

07-16-2008, 08:50 PM

BaSiK_TeKniK

07-16-2008, 08:53 PM

I try not to let the fans ruin the band for me. There are a lot of huge dorks who like DF. Thankfully I'm out of high school and don't go to hardcore shows so I don't have to deal with them, so I can listen to DF and not feel like a douche.

yep. highschool kids seem to ride the bandwagon like its sex or something. :shake:
for example: "Bobby is hardcore he listens to this band so like Im gonna listen to it too" :arazz:.

pherai

07-16-2008, 09:00 PM

It's just a status symbol, as if having really eclectic taste in music will impress people. The sad thing is that many of those people never grow out of it. They'll be changing our oil someday after their shitty band fails though. The universe balances itself out.

Gorehound

07-16-2008, 09:25 PM

is it me or that Dragonforce has gotten to the point of being just downright annoying? People act they are the only band that exists on the face of this earth :bluu:

I never listen to any band that has the word "Dragon" in their band title, it sounds corny!

I remember reading an interview that Slayer got the title from the movie Dragonslayer, but they dropped the word "Dragon" because it will feel too cheesy.

BBQ

07-16-2008, 10:07 PM

The only thing annoying to me about dragonforce is seeing the name pop up on the comments section of youtube videos, be it live performances, solos, etc. I know that youtube comments are generally stupid, but damn. As for the band, I stopped listening to them a couple years ago, just got bored of it when I was in Iraq.

Khiempossible

07-16-2008, 10:48 PM

I always liked gates of babylon myself.

shit blackmore is so into it on this solo:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FfTttPGQrMk

youtube. lol

check this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6CFkj6DDn9g

NegroNinja

07-16-2008, 11:14 PM

It's a fact that a talented band can get sucked dry once they hit the hot topic circuit, look at COB, what the hell happened to those guys?

Khiempossible

07-16-2008, 11:17 PM

when did COB ever have talent?

actually, barring dani filth, they all can play instruments, they've just never produced anything worth my time.

dizzam. all star group right herE:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=T09hBGGpSjk

when did this happen? I see dave grohl, lemmy and wino in one place. holy hell.

Gorehound

07-16-2008, 11:28 PM

It's a fact that a talented band can get sucked dry once they hit the hot topic circuit, look at COB, what the hell happened to those guys?

True, this why I always hated Dimmu Borgir, COF, Slipknot, ect, those bands that turn kids into this
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/AlphaFredo/slipknot_wannabe.jpg

Well actually, I just never liked those bands to begin with.

when did COB ever have talent?

actually, barring dani filth, they all can play instruments, they've just never produced anything worth my time.

True again.

My friend wanted to drag me to that Rockstar Energy Mayhem tour, but I don't like a tour that is catered to 14-15 year old Hot Topic kids, so I rather got to the Metal Masters Tour instead!!

Khiempossible

07-16-2008, 11:36 PM

True, this why I always hated Dimmu Borgir, COF, Slipknot, ect, those bands that turn kids into this
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/AlphaFredo/slipknot_wannabe.jpg

lol. look at all the kids in the back ground laughing. reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc

right so COB =/= COF.

but neither of them have any talent.

Gorehound

07-16-2008, 11:43 PM

lol. look at all the kids in the back ground laughing. reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc

right so COB =/= COF.

but neither of them have any talent.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Check out the kids moshing in the very beginning of the vid :rofl:

BEST MOSH PIT FIGHT EVER!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNV1Ou8JGiI

BudaFuka

07-17-2008, 06:36 AM

I always liked gates of babylon myself.

shit blackmore is so into it on this solo:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FfTttPGQrMk

He looks like one of those assholes who gives himself private concerts in from of the mirror naked...

Still a fucking badass though...

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 07:40 AM

It's a fact that a talented band can get sucked dry once they hit the hot topic circuit, look at COB, what the hell happened to those guys?

I really don't understand people's fascination with connecting a clothing store to a bands artistic demise when the band has pretty much no say in where their merch gets sold (that would be up to the label, who obviously want to promote their bands), but COB's change happened because Alexi wanted the band to be "heavier" and it pretty much went downhill from there. That's really all there is to it.

Don't blame hot topic for shitty bands. Blame shitty bands for being/becoming shitty.

PanderanGambler

07-17-2008, 08:01 AM

lol. look at all the kids in the back ground laughing. reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeMDvCdrtc

right so COB =/= COF.

but neither of them have any talent.

Children of Bodom don't have any talent?

Are you fucking mentally retarded? Ya I think you are.

pherai

07-17-2008, 08:04 AM

Hehe I liked Follow the Reaper but that's not an argument worth getting into.

PanderanGambler

07-17-2008, 08:08 AM

Hehe I liked Follow the Reaper but that's not an argument worth getting into.

I've only listened to that album and their cover album.

So my opinion on them is that theyre awesome. Whether they changed up their style or not doesn't mean they aren't talented. Thats one of the most idiotic statements ever made.

Its always hard to improve on what was already good in the first place. I used to be a huge system of a down fan until their new albums, it doesn't mean I'm gonna run around like some dumbass saying they aren't good all of a sudden.

Canto

07-17-2008, 08:09 AM

The individual members have talent, but when they come together to do what they want to call music, it sounds like GARBAGE.

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 08:11 AM

They have DT syndrome. Despite how well they can play the guitar/piano they're incapable of producing decent music. It just turns into a bunch of repetitive wankery.

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 08:14 AM

They have DT syndrome. Despite how well they can play the guitar/piano they're incapable of producing decent music. It just turns into a bunch of repetitive wankery.

Not being able to write an engaging song constitutes a lack of compositional talent, which is different altogether, really.

Then again, music is subjective as fuck.

pherai

07-17-2008, 08:16 AM

Then again, music is subjective as fuck.

Yup.

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 08:18 AM

it's why i like these threads so much.

pherai

07-17-2008, 08:20 AM

You like to argue over that stuff? Shit is exhausting to me.

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 08:22 AM

it's cause i sit at the comfort of my own home knowing in advance that every argument is unwinnable. I sit and laugh and post retarded comments like the ones i do knowing that you can't defeat my personal opinion.

BudaFuka

07-17-2008, 08:22 AM

What's a metal thread without somebody telling somebody else their taste in music fucking sucks...

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 08:23 AM

every scene has their elitists. even sf.

pherai

07-17-2008, 08:25 AM

Well its certainly easy to bait these kind of threads, I'll give you that.

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 08:27 AM

You like to argue over that stuff? Shit is exhausting to me.

Same here, although I tend to read everything with an "IMO" clause attached to it in my head to make it less annoying to discuss.

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 08:31 AM

honestly, what is there ever to discuss about metal? It's just a giant opinion sharing topic. Barring the few people who post here to find out about new music they've never heard before. It's just a giant shit fest of seeing who else likes your favourite band so yo can feel good about yourself.

Canto

07-17-2008, 08:34 AM

You make me cry myself to sleep.

You want some fun? Join Ultimate Metal forums.. that shit is too funny.

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 08:35 AM

pherai

07-17-2008, 08:38 AM

Finding out about new bands/albums/tours has always been the reason I kept up with this thread. It's been a long while since I've felt any joy from others validating my taste in music. Myspace is better for that anyway.

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 08:38 AM

we coulda talked about quo vadis. They're from my neck of the woods.

I don't know why I came back to the thread. Musta lucked out and saw it on GD display for last post.

But I'm totally into drone, and well, Im not gonna sit hear and preach the value of drone music to you guys that'd be retarded. I don't feel so bad, I got budafuka some good doom. And I'm glad. Cause most people don't know what the fuck doom is.

pherai

07-17-2008, 08:41 AM

It's funny cause like ALL of my old metal friends from high school have been binging on doom and down tempo shit for a while. It's not really my thing, but I could post some shit if you're interested. The only thing close to that I ever kind of liked was Eyehategod.

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 08:47 AM

we coulda talked about quo vadis. They're from my neck of the woods.

I would have brought them up but I never really got into them myself. I heard a lot of great things about them though.

But I'm totally into drone, and well, Im not gonna sit hear and preach the value of drone music to you guys that'd be retarded. I don't feel so bad, I got budafuka some good doom. And I'm glad. Cause most people don't know what the fuck doom is.

I know I sure as fuck don't either, outside of Candlemass/Black Sabbath/random funeral doom stuff that gets thrown around and the "Brave Murder Day" Katatonia/Swallow The Sun variety of it which I seem to like a shitload because it caters to my melody fetish. Down tempo stuff doesn't bother me at all.

On another random note, a long while back I heard Bloodbath's Ressurection Through Carnage and sort of wrote them off because it didn't grab me. Recently, my friend showed me the Wacken live DVD they did (with Mikael Akerfeldt, no less, and I'm a huge fan of his vocals) and lo and behold, I liked what I heard. I also had no idea that Dan Swano played voodoo style guitar.

pherai

07-17-2008, 08:56 AM

Look up Dan Swano's solo album. I haven't even heard Bloodbath, but that album is one of my all time favorites.

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 09:00 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3wmr_evkO9k

that's all you really need to hear from quo vadis. After that album which was solid, they had a bunch of lineup changes (vocalist/bassist/rhythm guitarist). Then they produced a shit album and I suspect they had more lineup changes. Then I guess they decided not to pull a Mayhem and call themselves a band with none of the original members.

Anyways, that's the best song they've ever done. Drummer was trained by Flo Mournier of Cryptopsy fame.

Doom is really just Sabbath rip offs. If it's not a sabbath rip off it's probably not doom. Big fuzzy monster type riffs. It's a distinct sound. It's the blues influence that gives you the doom. All that funeral shit is something else. Same with that depressive/goth/doom bullshit. My dying bride is not doom. Katatonia is not doom. Agalloch is not doom.

Really that vid I posted was hella accurate.

Doom: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6CFkj6DDn9g

barring candlemass in this vid; none of this is actually doom: http://youtube.com/watch?v=CAEQQS_qKTE

paradise lost, tiamat? amorphis?

this guy is totally confused on what doom is.

The worst part about it is that If people don't call that music doom, they want to call it goth. But goth is really Bauhaus and early christian death with the Bass guitar driving the song (and being heard way too loudly). So all that shitty goth rock is confusing kids, cause the way it's named is a total misnomer.

Think like how norsecore has fucked up the definition for black metal.

Look up Dan Swano's solo album. I haven't even heard Bloodbath, but that album is one of my all time favorites.

I concur. Bloodbath is mediocre. Nice montage to old school death, but at the end of the day it's a montage. But Dan Swano's Moontower is unbelievable 5 years now and I still spin it regularly.

BudaFuka

07-17-2008, 09:01 AM

Well I guess that's a good summary of this thread, but in general there aren't enough people who post in here with enough of a uniform set of tastes to discuss much as far as happenings (like Bolt Thrower deciding to stop writing new music for the time being because they feel they can't top their last album, or most of Quo Vadis leaving the band IIRC).

I'm trying, dammit. :(

In all fairness, I did revive this thread asking about that new Dragonlord coming out...

But I'm totally into drone, and well, Im not gonna sit hear and preach the value of drone music to you guys that'd be retarded. I don't feel so bad, I got budafuka some good doom. And I'm glad. Cause most people don't know what the fuck doom is.

And I'm still busy with that shit...:amazed:

pherai

07-17-2008, 09:04 AM

Norsecore? That's a new one to me.

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 09:13 AM

listen to darkthrone, pay attention to all his albums post soulside journey.

what's different about transilvannian hunger? tremolo picking. now look at every black metal band that's come out in the last 5 years what do they all have in common? tremolo picking and blast beats.

The original Black Metal: Venom, Bathory, Darkthrone were really just sludgy variations of thrash. It's the prethrash. If you think about it Slayer's pre thrash eps (basically haunting the chapel/show no mercy) were black metal.

Black metal has more in common with punk than heavy metal and does not include tremolo picking or extended periods of blast beats

pherai

07-17-2008, 09:33 AM

The only Darkthrone album I ever had was Blaze in the Northern Sky, although I do have a Transylvanian Hunger shirt because that design is just too kvlt. I think I know what you're talking about. Kind of that Ildjarn sort of sound. I couldn't get into that stuff too much. Call me a faggoth, but the stuff I really liked was like early Emperor and Immortal.

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 09:38 AM

In all fairness, I did revive this thread asking about that new Dragonlord coming out...

I wasn't pointing fingers or anything, it was just an generalized observation.

that's all you really need to hear from quo vadis.

Well, you've sold me.

As for the Doom issue, I think it's similar (remarkably so) to how a lot of melodic death isn't really "death" in the traditional sense most of the time.

I think of some of this stuff as an evolution of traditional doom (much like how current hardcore/metalcore is an evolution of old school hardcore). Whether or not "evolution" is the proper term for what happened is not for me to say; purists will likely disagree, and that's to be expected, but the problem lies with the fact that there's no clear sub-genre for it (EDIT: I guess a lot of it fits into the death/doom hybrid stuff) outside of the fact that it's obviously doom influenced in some way, and if that's the case, "doom" is where it's likely to be placed and I honestly have no problem with that. People will confuse shit no matter what, but that's because metal and it's subgenres are a huge partially subjective mind fuck with no real authoritative backing outside of stylistic differences, influences, and word of mouth anyway.

I heard a lot more to my liking in the second video as opposed to the first, particularly stuff like Shades of Despair and Saturnus (both which I had recommended to me on SA). I did hear some cool riffs in the first video, but the style of the aforementioned bands is more to my liking.

As an aside, knowing what I know now, I probably shouldn't have mentioned BMD era Katatonia as that's pretty much when they started moving more torwards that depressive rock sound (which I like so I guess that makes me a faggot or something).

I concur. Bloodbath is mediocre. Nice montage to old school death, but at the end of the day it's a montage. But Dan Swano's Moontower is unbelievable 5 years now and I still spin it regularly.

I guess I'll check it out then.

PanderanGambler

07-17-2008, 10:38 AM

I never said anyones taste in music was bad, I was pointing out the stupidity of the comment saying that CoB had no talent.

I've heard very few bands produce guitar riffs and solo's as impressive as CoB's. Their drumming is really good as well. I'm not sure how many albums they have ( 4 or 5) but everything I've heard is great.

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 10:46 AM

I've heard very few bands produce guitar riffs and solo's as impressive as CoB's. Their drumming is really good as well.

Asshole answer: You haven't heard much, then.

Non-asshole answer: Check out Wintersun and have your mind blown. They're basically everything that was good about Hatebreeder-era COB but way more intricate and varied.

Just so you know, metal fans tend to deal in extremes (IE if I don't like it, it's complete unlistenable garbage that should never have been recorded/played) so don't let it get to you.

PanderanGambler

07-17-2008, 10:56 AM

Asshole answer: You haven't heard much, then.

Non-asshole answer: Check out Wintersun and have your mind blown. They're basically everything that was good about Hatebreeder-era COB but way more intricate and varied.

Just so you know, metal fans tend to deal in extremes (IE if I don't like it, it's complete unlistenable garbage that should never have been recorded/played) so don't let it get to you.

I've listened to Metal since I was 8. So don't tell me what I have and haven't heard.

I've seen CoB in concert and was instantly hooked on their music ever since. I can accept people not liking their music, but to just come out and say they have no talent. . .fuck that shit. You're a clown if you think that.

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 10:57 AM

I didn't say they sucked man, chill out. I was just making a friendly recommendation, the asshole thing was a joke on this thread. I liked COB a great deal up until Are You Dead Yet anyway, so you're preaching to the choir.

PanderanGambler

07-17-2008, 10:58 AM

I didn't say they sucked man, chill out. I was just making a friendly recommendation, the asshole thing was a joke on this thread.

And I was referring to Khiem the retard.

BudaFuka

07-17-2008, 11:00 AM

Why are scandinavians so awesome?...

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 11:03 AM

(fanboy)I've been asking myself that since I got into Moonsorrow.(/fanboy)

Gorehound

07-17-2008, 11:22 AM

Why are scandinavians so awesome?...

Because they are teh vikings :bgrin:

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 11:28 AM

Matt, don't bias your metal discussion with your personal beef with me.

Children of Bodom have never done anything original. Melodic Death is the most oversaturated metal sub genre. Just because you play instruments doesn't mean yuo have talent. Do you feel the same way about petrucci? petrucci can wank a guitar like nobodies business, but that doesn't mean he knows how to create songs.

COB is merely the progeny of a dozen other bands doing the gothenburg sound. In Flames, Dark Tranquility, At the Gates, Carcass even. At the gates and DT are the only ones with any talent. Soilwork, Kalmah, Black Dahlia Murder, Quo Vadis god, there's millions of them. At least some of the new shit people "try" to be different. Kalmah at least sings about swamps, but makes virtually the same music as COB.

I put opeth in the same boat. Fantastic riffs with no direction.

Anyways if you like Eyehategod, I highly recommend Buzzov-en.

Death will always be the king of death metal. More talent in Schuldiner's pinky than anything produced these days.

TheSix

07-17-2008, 11:55 AM

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 12:04 PM

like was earlier mentioned, it's all personal opinion.

DarkGiygas

07-17-2008, 12:08 PM

yeah i really liked defiant imagination too :/

their live album is good also, yanic bercier is a fucking monster

PanderanGambler

07-17-2008, 01:13 PM

I've listened to In Flames for years and I dont think they're as good as CoB.

And I dont have any "personal beef" with you. You just always say the dumbest shit, it doesn't get to me but I'm gonna call you out if you say something absolutely rediculous.

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 01:18 PM

goodm0urning

07-17-2008, 02:21 PM

Look up Dan Swano's solo album. I haven't even heard Bloodbath, but that album is one of my all time favorites.Moontower is hot shit. Hard to believe it all came straight from one man.

Children of Bodom have never done anything original. Melodic Death is the most oversaturated metal sub genre. Just because you play instruments doesn't mean yuo have talent. Do you feel the same way about petrucci? petrucci can wank a guitar like nobodies business, but that doesn't mean he knows how to create songs.

COB is merely the progeny of a dozen other bands doing the gothenburg sound. In Flames, Dark Tranquility, At the Gates, Carcass even. At the gates and DT are the only ones with any talent. Soilwork, Kalmah, Black Dahlia Murder, Quo Vadis god, there's millions of them. At least some of the new shit people "try" to be different. Kalmah at least sings about swamps, but makes virtually the same music as COB.It sounds like you take both metal and yourself a little too seriously, which are two mistakes that COB don't make.

pherai

07-17-2008, 02:41 PM

Moontower is hot shit. Hard to believe it all came straight from one man.

As far as the instrumentals, yeah, its very impressive work. As far as songwriting goes, I'm inclined to think working alone might be more of an asset than a hindrance. I think its rare for someone to be able to write good melodies and/or compose well, yet slightly less rare that someone who doesn't do those things to feel qualified to shoot down the idea's of truly gifted musicians.

goodm0urning

07-17-2008, 02:50 PM

I personally find it kind of difficult to come up with good stuff purely on my lonesome. I find it much easier when there are other musicians to bounce ideas off of, work out arrangements with, and contribute ideas of their own. Writing original material is a talent in itself, but being able to examine it objectively without hearing the opinions of other listeners is something else entirely.

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 04:44 PM

Alright, discussion!

Melodic Death is the most oversaturated metal sub genre.

As an unabashed fan of this genre, it is admittedly very true. Theres a lot more bad then there is good, but that goes without saying for any genre.

EDIT: Actually, I'd have to say that it's not so much that the genre is oversaturated, but rather the vast amount of terrible melodeath seems to get more attention than the vast amount of terrible bands in other subgenres (probably because of melody).

COB is merely the progeny of a dozen other bands doing the gothenburg sound. In Flames, Dark Tranquility, At the Gates, Carcass even. At the gates and DT are the only ones with any talent. Soilwork, Kalmah, Black Dahlia Murder, Quo Vadis god, there's millions of them. At least some of the new shit people "try" to be different. Kalmah at least sings about swamps, but makes virtually the same music as COB.

COB isn't really gothenburg, though. It's a power/death hybrid style. It's obviously not original, but they definitely popularized it (Norther, Skyfire, Kalmah, Wintersun, etc.).

Black Dahlia Murder are funny because they basically made a career out of stealing At The Gates riffs and playing basic scales up and down to fool people into thinking they could solo.

Kalmah, despite the superficial similarities, are nothing like COB compositionally. COB's melodies tend to be lot more over the top, Kalmah's are more subdued (especially recently) and there's a lot less wankery in Kalmah's material.

Soilwork is a terrible situation because they used to be so fucking good god damn. In Flames was always kind of overrated but Soilwork deserved every bit of praise they got for their first few albums. :(

DT is easily one of the best things left in the genre (that and Insomnium IMO).

I put opeth in the same boat. Fantastic riffs with no direction.

Watershed has it's moments, but I think that statement perfectly describes The Lotus Eater.

Really, it's all about Still Life for me.

As far as songwriting goes, I'm inclined to think working alone might be more of an asset than a hindrance.

I strongly agree with this, partially from experience.

BudaFuka

07-17-2008, 05:03 PM

Soilwork is a terrible situation because they used to be so fucking good god damn. In Flames was always kind of overrated but Soilwork deserved every bit of praise they got for their first few albums. :(

:rock:*Blasts "Chainheart Machine*:rock:

Edit: Doesn't help that they're down to like one original member...

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 05:07 PM

:rock:*Blasts "Chainheart Machine*:rock:

This man knows whats up.

BudaFuka

07-17-2008, 05:16 PM

This man knows whats up.

I'm surprised you're so into the melodeath scene, judging from your screenname I figured you'd into the :mad::mad:brutaliest:mad::mad: of the :mad:brutal:mad:...

You know, recommending some Nile or something...

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 05:21 PM

Really, I just tend to prefer strongly melodic stuff.

I do like Nile, though. =P

BudaFuka

07-17-2008, 05:41 PM

:mad:BRUTAL:mad:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MtJ-alGFIsg&feature=related

I'm sorry, that wasn't even that brutal...

:badboy::badboy::badboy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wqOJD_TdIKY&feature=related

PanderanGambler

07-17-2008, 06:12 PM

Alright, discussion!

As an unabashed fan of this genre, it is admittedly very true. Theres a lot more bad then there is good, but that goes without saying for any genre.

EDIT: Actually, I'd have to say that it's not so much that the genre is oversaturated, but rather the vast amount of terrible melodeath seems to get more attention than the vast amount of terrible bands in other subgenres (probably because of melody).
.

So wouldnt that make the bands that popularized it some of the better ones ?? ie CoB?

And while I'm here, I just wanna state my opinion on DragonForce.

I think that they're garbage.

goodm0urning

07-17-2008, 06:18 PM

COB isn't really gothenburg, though. It's a power/death hybrid style. It's obviously not original, but they definitely popularized it (Norther, Skyfire, Kalmah, Wintersun, etc.).Children of Bodom is a metal band. All the people who fret over which sub-labels do or don't fit are wasting their time.

And while I'm here, I just wanna state my opinion on DragonForce.

I think that they're garbage.Be careful about saying that in public. Herman Ri may follow through with his threat. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSNLfa1VPwo)

BudaFuka

07-17-2008, 06:34 PM

Children of Bodom is a metal band. All the people who fret over which sub-labels do or don't fit are wasting their time.

Guy 1: Dude, I just listened to Metallica for the first time, and they're the fucking shit!! Do you know any other good metal bands.

Guy 2: Sure, there's Dying Fetus, Cannibal Corpse, Burzum, Rotting Christ, & Dragonforce.

Guy 1: Oh shit, I can't wait to listen to all these bands!:woot:

A week later...

Guy 2: So how were those bands I recommended.

Guy 1: Dude WTF!!:mad:, those first 2 sounded like nothing but fucking noise and drums. The other 2 sounded like they recorded their albums in the their mothers basement, and they're singing about the devil and shit!!! I loved that Dragonforce though!!:lovin:

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 06:38 PM

So wouldnt that make the bands that popularized it some of the better ones ?? ie CoB?

Not necessarily. Just because a band popularizes a sound, doesn't mean other people can't do it better, it just means they're the most famous.

Children of Bodom is a metal band. All the people who fret over which sub-labels do or don't fit are wasting their time.

I would agree if it wasn't for the fact that metal has such vastly different sounding bands. Categorizing is sometimes a good thing; just because it's metal doesn't mean I or someone else will like it.

And gothenburg isn't really a subgenre per se, it's a style of melodeath. :arazz:

goodm0urning

07-17-2008, 07:01 PM

I would agree if it wasn't for the fact that metal has such vastly different sounding bands. Categorizing is sometimes a good thing; just because it's metal doesn't mean I or someone else will like it. Bands should sound different. Return To Forever sounds absolutely nothing like the Dave Weckl Band, but they're both fusion. There's no need to start splitting hairs over it.

Instead of inventing new sub-genres for every handful of bands that sound similar, they might do well to just say, "You like this band, so you might like these bands as well."

PanderanGambler

07-17-2008, 07:04 PM

Children of Bodom is a metal band. All the people who fret over which sub-labels do or don't fit are wasting their time.

Be careful about saying that in public. Herman Ri may follow through with his threat. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSNLfa1VPwo)

Herman is good on guitar but the songs are gay and the lyrics suck and the songs are gay.

Gasp

07-17-2008, 07:17 PM

Monarch is pretty good doom
and this new band popped out from southern california called the arm and sword of a bastard god

DarkGiygas

07-17-2008, 07:33 PM

Nile

Nile

Fuck yeah!

EDIT: might as well actually post something...uh I've been listening to Baroness - The Red Album lately, kind of reminds me of Mastodon except way better.

Azagtoth

07-17-2008, 07:33 PM

Herman is good on guitar

Herman live and Herman in the studio are apparently two very different things.

Bands should sound different.

Well yeah.

Instead of inventing new sub-genres for every handful of bands that sound similar, they might do well to just say, "You like this band, so you might like these bands as well."

Ignoring the gross oversimplification, I have to disagree. I like how specific the subgenres allow you to be.

At least it's not as bad as techno subgenres.

TheSix

07-17-2008, 08:47 PM

Like I said a few pages back, Li is a wanker. Fast notes played in the random order = boring.

IMO, solo's should be carefully crafted. Anybody can just wank for two and half minutes and come off as fast. Which was all I saw when I saw them this past Saturday. If Opeth doesn't have direction, then this guy has been lost for years. Walking in circles even.

With that said, it was kind of cool when he walked past my car in the parking lot. I got a photo, but it's still on the SD card.

Gorehound

07-17-2008, 09:28 PM

SWEET!!

I got next Sat. off, so I will definitely go see At The Gates/Repulsion at the Glass House in Pomona :rock:

Khiempossible

07-17-2008, 09:37 PM

It sounds like you take both metal and yourself a little too seriously, which are two mistakes that COB don't make.

Maybe I've never seen them live, but if you were talking about Gwar, Cannibal Corpse or Manowar I would understand what you mean.

And gothenburg isn't really a subgenre per se, it's a style of melodeath. :arazz:

lol somebody gets it and here's why.

Instead of inventing new sub-genres for every handful of bands that sound similar, they might do well to just say, "You like this band, so you might like these bands as well."

In our language that could be as simple as saying: "so you like doom"? and open up a huge section of bands in which to talk about. With a less oppressive bias.

kind of reminds me of Mastodon except way better.

"You like Mastadon, so you might like Doomriders as well."

SWEET!!

I got next Sat. off, so I will definitely go see At The Gates/Repulsion at the Glass House in Pomona :rock:

I'd love to hear a review. I'm curious as to how you see At the Gates. Is anyone curious about Boris playing Ottawa?

pherai

07-17-2008, 10:57 PM

With that said, it was kind of cool when he walked past my car in the parking lot. I got a photo, but it's still on the SD card.

Post it up when you get a chance.

I do agree that metal is WAY over genrefied. Most metal fans couldn't tell you the difference between death metal and black metal besides saying "in black metal they scream, but in death metal they grunt." Saying a band is genre defining should mean they made something really ground breaking. I don't consider making your guitar tone really fuzzy, or writing all your riffs off some obscure medieval scale, or different lyrical subject matter to be very significant strides in metal.

Shazay

07-18-2008, 11:05 AM

Hey I like Doomriders :>

Is anyone curious about Boris playing Ottawa?

I saw them at the DC show last week. They're amazing live, Kurihara was with them also and he beasted.

I saw some Boris posts earlier Takeshi plays bass/guitar and Wata is the lead.

goodm0urning

07-18-2008, 11:12 AM

Ignoring the gross oversimplification, I have to disagree. I like how specific the subgenres allow you to be. You say this, but tell me it's anything but stupid when people go for pages arguing over which five-part string of sub-genres is the appropriate on for a band like C.O.B.

Azagtoth

07-18-2008, 04:48 PM

You say this, but tell me it's anything but stupid when people go for pages arguing over which five-part string of sub-genres is the appropriate on for a band like C.O.B.

I agree that what you describe is indeed stupid, but nothing like that happened at all.

The guy literally said one thing about COB's style ("progeny of gothenburg") and I corrected him ("power-death hybrid"). That's where it began and ended: all on the same page.

The only time we were remotely talking about genres at all was when doom metal was brought up and I proposed that the stuff he said wasn't doom at all was merely an evolution of traditional doom. That was also started and ended on the same page.

I realize you may not even be referencing this thread, but just saying.

Gumbercules

07-18-2008, 04:53 PM

can we just file COB under shitty

PanderanGambler

07-18-2008, 05:26 PM

can we just file COB under shitty

Can you just eat shit?

Shaft Agent

07-18-2008, 06:47 PM

if you like old school Soilwork mixed with old school Meshuggah, then you may like Textures

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=4813773

also TesseracT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTrpUeXkXtU)is still kicking ass (even though their new singer makes them sound kind of like a technical version of Sevendust-not that there's anything wrong with that...). for a good idea on what they sound like, just listen to the intro/ending songs. don't listen to that fooling around part in the middle.

Azagtoth

07-19-2008, 03:22 AM

if you like old school Soilwork mixed with old school Meshuggah, then you may like Textures.

I don't hear much Soilwork in this, but it is basically a more melodic version of Meshuggah and that's pretty cool. Thanks for this.

goodm0urning

07-19-2008, 11:05 AM

The guy literally said one thing about COB's style ("progeny of gothenburg") and I corrected him ("power-death hybrid"). That's where it began and ended: all on the same page. Neither of you have an argument. I could call COB super fuck-doom butt party metal and my case wouldn't be any weaker or stronger than either of yours. You can't categorize something without a decently developed set of criteria, which is why just about everybody who frets over these sub-sub-genres is wasting his time.

I realize you may not even be referencing this thread, but just saying.Not only this thread.

Canto

07-19-2008, 11:16 AM

Some really good pictures of Symphony X, which is rare:

http://www.llukygallery.nl/symphonyx050708.php

Episode_667

07-19-2008, 11:28 AM

if you like old school Soilwork mixed with old school Meshuggah, then you may like Textures

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=4813773

Yeeeeeeeaaaah Textures, I have all three of their CDs, kickass band, even if their current vocalist gets a bit too "Anselmo" for me at times. Gotta love those ambient / airy passages they do. US release of "Silhouettes" in October, woo!

Also, I picked up Arcturus' "La Masquerade Infernal" on Thursday. Not as good as "The Sham Mirrors", but still pretty cool, and way more "out-there" than the other stuff I own by them. It's a shame "Sideshow Symphonies" was filled with production glitches :(

BudaFuka

07-19-2008, 01:11 PM

If you're into sweds who play melodeath... you'll probably be at least amused by this band... The Defaced

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=58610583

Their new album Anomaly just came out like last week...(although I've had the final cut for over a year now)

This album and Soilwork's "Chainheart Machine" are pretty much what got me into the melodeath scene, so it's worth a listen...

Shaft Agent

07-19-2008, 01:31 PM

I don't hear much Soilwork in this, but it is basically a more melodic version of Meshuggah and that's pretty cool. Thanks for this.

yeah the stuff on the early albums (songs not on the myspace) sound a lot like old school Soilwork to me.

Gorehound

07-19-2008, 01:31 PM

Anal Cunt (orginal lineup)
Anal Blast
Meat Shits

Now that is a kickass line up on 8/22 at the Knitting Factory!

Khiempossible

07-19-2008, 09:40 PM

Neither of you have an argument. I could call COB super fuck-doom butt party metal and my case wouldn't be any weaker or stronger than either of yours. You can't categorize something without a decently developed set of criteria, which is why just about everybody who frets over these sub-sub-genres is wasting his time.

Not only this thread.

by that same logic I could say 1+1 = 5 and be equally right. All Azagtoth and I are doing is aligning our definition between us so that we understand what we're talking about. The criteria is that each name defines a particular sound. We both understand that sound and therefore we both agree on the name. With that logic you're welcome to call COB whatever you want, just good luck trying to communicate it to anyone. Maybe you should start your own club and write a dictionary?

The only grind I like is Pig Destroyer and Nasum. After that if it's not crazy technical like Dillenger Escape Plan or electro-melodic like Genghis Tron, I can't stand any of it.

goodm0urning

07-20-2008, 11:59 AM

by that same logic I could say 1+1 = 5 and be equally right.Actually, no. 1+1=5 is an objective statement. What you guys are doing is completely subjective.

All Azagtoth and I are doing is aligning our definition between us so that we understand what we're talking about. The criteria is that each name defines a particular sound. We both understand that sound and therefore we both agree on the name.Go someplace else and you'll find somebody with a completely different understanding of that sound who will disagree with you on the name. Is he wrong?

With that logic you're welcome to call COB whatever you want, just good luck trying to communicate it to anyone.If I want to tell somebody what COB sounds like, I'm not going to string together a series of sub-sub-labels that have no relevant meaning. Believe it or not, there are other ways to describe how a band sounds.

Khiempossible

07-20-2008, 01:00 PM

Actually, no. 1+1=5 is an objective statement. What you guys are doing is completely subjective.

Go someplace else and you'll find somebody with a completely different understanding of that sound who will disagree with you on the name. Is he wrong?

If I want to tell somebody what COB sounds like, I'm not going to string together a series of sub-sub-labels that have no relevant meaning. Believe it or not, there are other ways to describe how a band sounds.

all definitions are subjective. It's just that 1+1=5 is universally understood. If we were to take an isolated group of people and taught them math where 2 was five and 5 was two. they'd have a different name for the same concept.

so about your second question, is someone else with a different name for the same sound wrong? no. We'd just have to talk about it and arrive to a mutual concensus between the both of us so that we can communicate.

And lastly, of course there are other ways to describe how a band sounds. Your methods are no more correct or incorrect than ours; they're just different. And believe it or not we use them too.

Hey I like Doomriders :>

I saw them at the DC show last week. They're amazing live, Kurihara was with them also and he beasted.

I saw some Boris posts earlier Takeshi plays bass/guitar and Wata is the lead.

I missed this post. But Kurihara was super cool and signed my shirt.