The Official NBA 2005-06 Thread

[DanielLarusso]

You know Miami's rooting for the Cavs, but Sheed is right, it ain't happening. But Sheed didn't consider players getting hurt, like he got hurt like night. When key players go down, anything can happen.

I'm tired of seeing the Spurs win, so I wouldn't mind seeing them outta there. If the Clips pull it off against the Suns, it'll be VERY interesting to see what they can do against Dallas. Clips in the finals? Long way to go before that happens, but that's a wild scenario.

Miami must be thinking Detroit is looking real beatable. Miami in the finals? Not out of the question, but I ain't betting on that just yet.

Mitch Kupchak better be on the move looking for a big trade and/or free agent, cause if he brings the Lakers back with that same squad they're gonna be in trouble. Sacremento will be better next year, Minnesota could be better, the Suns will have Amare back, and he takes them from a pretender to a contender. The Lakers ain't even gauranteed to make the playoffs again with that squad next year.

[jae hoon]

Even with Amare the suns wont be a contender unless they are at least an average defensive team. Losing KT really hurt them worse then alot of people realized, myself included.

Lebron certaintly has been clutch but he still should not be the MVP. People have to remember the MVP is a regular season award, they quit voting on it before the playoffs even start.

Oh and even if the Pistons win the finals, Sheed still wont have the belt. It is against the dress code.

[TrunksSS3]

Well...well..well Dirk quietly was a total monster tonight. I think he shot like 70%. Look at everyone jumping on our bandwagon now. MFFL bitches


not me everyone here knows i been a long time mav's fan...

[The D Man]

Miami back in the ECF. They'll be getting quite a bit of rest like last year too. Hopefully the outcome will be different than last year's.

[TGC]

Well Last year Wade missed a few games I believe due to Rib injury right? Not quite sure, my mind a little foggy, but someone may correct me.

suns got a 6-pt Lead by Half...LETS GO SUNS!

[ArcadeFire]

Can the Suns get any fucking luckier?

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

OMG, this Suns-Clippers game is freakin crazy.

[FallingEdge]

What an intense game.

And who's been pimping Raja Bell since the beginning? *points to himself*
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2735301&postcount=257

:wgrin:

[ArcadeFire]

Marion just hurt himself. Cross your fingers Suns fans...

EDIT: He's okay!(Damn!)

[merdoc]

man...still cant believe nj lost...

[Hoonyo]

What an intense game.

And who's been pimping Raja Bell since the beginning? *points to himself*
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2735301&postcount=257

:wgrin:boy were you ever wrong about keith bogans.

and wtf nash can't make a shot tonight... but i have faith he'll take the last one and drain it for vindication.

[ssjbrydon]

i feel sorry for shawn marion. he plays with a bunch of pussy floppers who all stand behind the 3pt line and throw shit up and prey to god it goes in. if raja bell flops one more time he'll prolly set an nba record

[ArcadeFire]

Well there goes the Clippers chance of winning this game...

EDIT: And Phoenix goes up 3-2

[Legendary Gokou]

Great games tonight.


Go Spurs. =)

[TGC]

i feel sorry for shawn marion. he plays with a bunch of pussy floppers who all stand behind the 3pt line and throw shit up and prey to god it goes in. if raja bell flops one more time he'll prolly set an nba record


Damn they must be best friends with god because two of them are some of the top in the NBA in 3's.

Why do people continue to not give the suns respect. I'm not just saying this from a fan's POV, but Suns were "DONE" before the season even started. They were done when amare went down, well done with KT gone, and Overcooked when 3-1 against the lakers. The team is playing with a ton of heart, which IMO can be the most dangerous weapon for a team.

And don't give me this fucking ref bullshit. TT should've still been in the game because Brand pretty much shoved TT into cassell. Even if they called the foul on TT for contact with brand, he had to where to go, he was a sandwich, can't really do much then.

[Robust]

Damn they must be best friends with god because two of them are some of the top in the NBA in 3's.

Why do people continue to not give the suns respect. I'm not just saying this from a fan's POV, but Suns were "DONE" before the season even started. They were done when amare went down, well done with KT gone, and Overcooked when 3-1 against the lakers. The team is playing with a ton of heart, which IMO can be the most dangerous weapon for a team.

And don't give me this fucking ref bullshit. TT should've still been in the game because Brand pretty much shoved TT into cassell. Even if they called the foul on TT for contact with brand, he had to where to go, he was a sandwich, can't really do much then.
LOL

if the spurs and pistons some how do not make the finals, then the suns have a miniscule shot at best.

[jchensor]

I have the utmost respect for the Suns (though seriously, how many lives do these guys have? They have some serious 1-Up mushrooms in surplus). I just can't stand Bell. Don't get me wrong, that shot he made was clutch, give him props. Nothing wrong with that play.

By why is it that he is the only player to consistently keep falling to the floor when guarding people? Cassell didn't do anything to the guy. He should be ashamed trying to pretend Cassell knocked him to the floor. No one else is falling to the floor. Is it just consistent that everyone wants to shove Bell and only Bell to the floor? The flopping has to stop. Bell is better than that. He doesn't need to resort to that stuff.

Or maybe he's just a smart player who knows how to take advantage of the system. I mean, look how many people gave props to Dennis Rodman during Rodman's prime. Frankly, I can't stand that guy either.

- James

[ssjbrydon]

Damn they must be best friends with god because two of them are some of the top in the NBA in 3's.

Why do people continue to not give the suns respect. I'm not just saying this from a fan's POV, but Suns were "DONE" before the season even started. They were done when amare went down, well done with KT gone, and Overcooked when 3-1 against the lakers. The team is playing with a ton of heart, which IMO can be the most dangerous weapon for a team.

And don't give me this fucking ref bullshit. TT should've still been in the game because Brand pretty much shoved TT into cassell. Even if they called the foul on TT for contact with brand, he had to where to go, he was a sandwich, can't really do much then.


the suns dont get respect because they play sissy ball. they play 0 defense and flop everytime they get breathed on, then they have the nerve to complain to the refs every single play. shawn marion is the only exception, i never see this guy complain, camp behind the 3pt line or flop. hes a man. im sayin this from a neutral POV because i had respect for the suns last year when they played inside out and not live and die by the 3 ball.

dont cry about the refs making bad calls either when livingston clearly didnt step out of bounds in OT. now that i think about it, the suns only picked up tim thomas because hes tall and can shoot a 3.

i hope the clips make this series go 7, they have outplayed the campers just about every game.

[Outkast]

Every player complains at the refs. Shaq, Sheed, Cassel, Kobe, Dirk, Bowen, Lebron, Wade. They all complain. They all feel they should have got the call. Sasha was on Laker time one evening and money asked him straight up why he complains so much after calls, Sasha says straight up, at the time of the call, he didn't think he did anything and his emotion comes out.

Suns play some of the most exciting basketball in the league. They run a crisp movement based offense. Fast paced basketball is fun to watch. I don't know why people hate on good shooting. I guess everyone likes just dumping it into the post. I guess people didn't like 80's NBA ball then.

I will be at game 6 and cheer these damn Clippers on!!!

Cory was benched the whole 2nd half, wonder what he did to piss off coach.

And BTW, Suns have plenty of room to complain after the calls in the laker series :wgrin:

[Quantum Delta]

the suns dont get respect because they play sissy ball. they play 0 defense and flop everytime they get breathed on, then they have the nerve to complain to the refs every single play. shawn marion is the only exception, i never see this guy complain, camp behind the 3pt line or flop. hes a man. im sayin this from a neutral POV because i had respect for the suns last year when they played inside out and not live and die by the 3 ball.

dont cry about the refs making bad calls either when livingston clearly didnt step out of bounds in OT. now that i think about it, the suns only picked up tim thomas because hes tall and can shoot a 3.

i hope the clips make this series go 7, they have outplayed the campers just about every game.

I assume you like to watch games like San Antonio vs Detroit all day, watching recorded tapes of their previous (boring) final's matches while just re-recording those tapes because you love to watch those guys play and NEVER complain to the refs. Give me a break.

[Hoonyo]

ssjbrydon would you be singing a different tune if the MANCHILD was 100% healthy and playing right now? surely you cant say the suns play sissy ball with amare on the court. i remember this guy did something (i think dunk on tim duncan), get fouled, fall on the floor, and start doing pushups. fuck i wish amare was healthy =\

[TGC]

the suns dont get respect because they play sissy ball. they play 0 defense and flop everytime they get breathed on, then they have the nerve to complain to the refs every single play. shawn marion is the only exception, i never see this guy complain, camp behind the 3pt line or flop. hes a man. im sayin this from a neutral POV because i had respect for the suns last year when they played inside out and not live and die by the 3 ball.

dont cry about the refs making bad calls either when livingston clearly didnt step out of bounds in OT. now that i think about it, the suns only picked up tim thomas because hes tall and can shoot a 3.

i hope the clips make this series go 7, they have outplayed the campers just about every game.

Haha i'm laughing already because Cassell never fucking complains. That nigga has the biggest mouth in the NBA. But he's still a respected player. And the Suns are one of the smallest teams in the NBA. Last season they had a fucking beast that could not be caged. The biggest guy is TT for suns, and he's not a post player. Marion is playing PF, you expect him to overpower elton brand or in the previous series, lamar odom?

And i was not complaining about any bad calls. The last time i complained about a bad call was game 4 when IMO they got robbed, but nothing changed that, and suns knew that as well, which is why they played their minds out the last 3 games of that series.

With such a fast pace game basketball can be, it's sometimes even hard to notice yourself making mistakes. Playing street ball, you want to get say a rebound so bad, and all your focus goes to that and that only. I can't imagine what pros go through.

And yea amare is a pimp like that. I'll never forgot how he somehow managed to overpower a running Tim Duncan coming in for a dunk and get an All Ball Block. Or how he gave Ginoboli an actual reason to go flying.

But to each to his own.

[ssjbrydon]

i love amare, he is a manchild and the opposite of what the suns are this season

trust me i love great shooting but shooting around 30 3pters a game is rediculus. im sitting here watching the shit unfold EVERY play. nash drives, kicks out of the double team, somebody throw up a prayer. the entire team besides marion on occasion camps behind the 3pt line and wait for there turn to shoot.

btw last years finals between the spurs and pistons was the greatest finals ive ever seen. shit was intense


go mavs, dirk used to be a sissy until avery put his balls on the table and said drive to the damn basket like a big man should.

[TGC]

You just said it yourself....drive like a big man should. You know who we have driving to the basket? A 6'3 188 LBs speedy gonzales.

And why does nash kick it out, because there's a fucking shooter wide open. No body guards them. And why is that, because nash can make those layups too. This is why they were very very successful last season as well. Amare: No one could guard him, and when he got the ball, he would draw a shit load of attention. If that's wasn't it, then Nash would drive, look for amare, and give him the ball. People would then try to close out nash, prevent him from giving the ball to amare, and instead of amare, Nash would find a jump shooter wide open.

There's a term for this, it's called Playmaking, and it's Nash's Job. I don't see why your complaining about it.

And if Last Years was the best finals you've seen, then you haven't been watching BBall for very long have you? I admit it was intense, but far from the best I've seen.

[Outkast]

Since is when shooting 3's a "prayer" shot and not skillfull? A 20 Footer is more skillfull than 24 footer? A little wrist flip 1 foot from the basket is super uber then? I don't get it. So just putting your head down and going to the basket and "praying" for contact is the skillfull way to play? Kobe shoots mad 3 pointers, some from crazy range. Are they all prayers? I think its pretty skillful when he drains a 26 footer.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the big man ball, footwork, and post moves and all of that. I also appreciate a good jump shot, perimeter offense and peeps having the talent to hit 3's. Not everybody can hit 3's (ask smush), its just Phoenix has built their team with guys who can shoot the long ball, so that is what they will do. If you build your team with all interior players and post guys, are you gonna just start shooting 3's all the time? Naw, you gonna go to what your players are good at, so you throw it into the post. Phoenix's players are good at shooting, so thats their game and they will shoot 3's. I am happy not every team in the NBA plays the same style.

BTW, I think the finals last year was really good, even if the ratings say otherwise.

[Zulu]

Sam Cassell is a visual mistake.

[TGC]

And one more thing...for the record.

There was only one offensive foul today drawn by bell, and I don't think it was a flop just cause the way it looked, but if it was, fooled me pretty damn well.

LA must seriously be pissed about Bell right now. First with the clothesline, then Bell and goes and make this hell of a shot 3.

[ssjbrydon]

all 50 of those 3pters the suns take arent wide open shots. 9/10 theres a hand in a guys face which is why i say they are just throwing up prayers. this formula sure is hell isnt winning championships or even conferences.

i wouldnt say amare is unguardable. i would take elton brand over him, elton has a better mid range shot but other than that they're about equal.

and last years final was the most competitve finals ive ever seen. the previous spurs, lakers and bulls finals were never that competitive.

[jae hoon]

I dont see why anyone is impressed by the way the Suns play, someone else has already done it. It was called the Mavericks when Nash was there. They played the exact same way and they could not get to the finals playing like that either.

[TGC]

Okay when i shoot far range, i make maybe 15-20, maybe 25% on a good day. Those are prayer shots because i cannot fucking buy a shot on some days.

So if you call "hand in your face" shots prayer shots, what do you have to say about Ray Allen? What do you have to say about Reggie Miller? They all prayer shots too?

You can call them all you want, but Bell was 71% today...his average is like +60% the last two games...he was 5/5 in the last reg season game Vs Dallas. He's a damn good shooter, why can't you just admit it?

And Yea I agree, just non-stop offense isn't gonna win shit, because offense is something that's on and off...

But when the offense is lights out, defense has very little effect sometimes. SA is a good defensive team, but players like Jason Terry, who's small and speedy, along with Harris can get pass the SA big men.

You can try to predict stuff like this in the NBA, but crazy things happen sometimes so you never know. Suns aren't even suppose to be in the playoffs when the season started. Suns weren't suppose to make it far without KT. Suns weren't suppose to come back from being down 3-1.

I may seem bias or w/e, but they're my team and I have faith in them. Just like the rest of you people should have faith in your team, even if it means them getting shot down a lot of times.

[4neqs]

Sam Cassell is a visual mistake.

And he's also the fucking man. Or Smeagol.

My preciousssssssss

[Adam Warlock]

SNIP
You do know that they play to win, right? It isn't their job to impress you.

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

You won't be banging inside and playing inside/out with Marion or Diaw all day, no matter what team you're on.

Hell, KT was probably their only post presence and he was only what, 6'9''? The fact the Suns are even in a position to go to the WCF without a legitimate big man is amazing already.

[Hoonyo]

I dont see why anyone is impressed by the way the Suns play, someone else has already done it. It was called the Mavericks when Nash was there. They played the exact same way and they could not get to the finals playing like that either.They would've made the finals that year IMO if it weren't for a Nowitzki injury and Steve Kerr sighting. I'd also say the Spurs were much better than they are now that year too. But what I say doesn't matter unless the Suns go all the way this year.

[Lantis]

OMG Jack Nicholson at a CLIPPERS game? Talk about jumping on the bandwagon.... :mad:

[Outkast]

I dont see why anyone is impressed by the way the Suns play, someone else has already done it. It was called the Mavericks when Nash was there. They played the exact same way and they could not get to the finals playing like that either.


Smallball is back???

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060517

[hihi]

Exactly. Big guys stay home.

[jae hoon]

Smallball isnt back, this shit isnt new. I love how people act like this is something the Suns just brought back when Dallas and NJ had been doing it for quite sometime.


Detroit is really playing like shit. Detroit is playing like they are supposed to win, Cleveland is playing like they want to win.

[TGC]

Omfg Cavs Fucking Win!!!!

[4neqs]

Fathermucking Cleveland. :0

---
I can't watch Dallas-SA unfortunately, but do keep us updated.

[Autocrat1]

Cleveland's up 3-2.

Where am I?!

Got Milk?

[DanielLarusso]

How big are the Miami Heat smiling right now? Cleveland is up 3-2, and even if Detroit DOES win, they have to play two more games to do it. Can you imagine how much LeBron Cock will get sucked if the Cavs knock out the Pistons?

We could be looking at no Pistons and no Spurs in the conference finals. Who in the hell could've called that

[Warblade49]

Omfg Cavs Fucking Win!!!!


Amen Brother, Amen. Completely surprised they won. What the hell happen to Detriot Basketball??

[Legendary Gokou]

Wow. I don't think anyone saw the Pistons being down 3-2. They're having trouble guarding the screen and roll. If they don't fix that they'll be watching the Finals from home.

[merdoc]

detroit still has a chance..beat them in cleveland, and win in detroit, the pistons have to show up,

[TGC]

Yea it's not over until one team advances with 4 wins...

I'm just surprised.

[Warblade49]

Kobe on TNT is interesting.....

[spideyman]

all hail the king. the true mvp this year. i've been saying the whole year that the king should be mvp. look at his numbers this year. something like 32/6/7 or close to that. too good. i would love to see the cavs win. D dub and the King going at it would be classic.

[GeoG2]

Kobe's bullshit excuse for changing his number amused me.

[jae hoon]

Kobe's bullshit excuse for changing his number amused me.

Kobe making both Charles and Kenny bitch the fuck out was amusing to.

[hihi]

What was his excuse for changing his number?

[Dreaded Fist]

yeah i missed the halftime for the cavs/pistons game. waht did kobe say?

[Warblade49]

the kobe clip is on nba.com. look for the tnt overdrive tab under the nba tv broadband channel.

[lonewolf6465]

I'm in shock, disbelief, hell insert whatever word you want, I thought my Cavs were going to get rolled by about 30, shit, we're winning this shit Friday. The Q is going to be fucking nuts, I wish I could be there in person.

[AkumaTX]

Tnt should hire Kobe for their NBA anaylst show, and let him be there on days he doesnt play. Fits in nicely.

[Legendary Gokou]

Spurs finally win a close one.


I'm so happy... :sad:

[merdoc]

Tnt should hire Kobe for their NBA anaylst show, and let him be there on days he doesnt play. Fits in nicely.


yeah, he talks smart and hes funny too.

[DaFlipMastaXV]

Wow. I don't think anyone saw the Pistons being down 3-2. They're having trouble guarding the screen and roll. If they don't fix that they'll be watching the Finals from home.

Dtown in 7 .. Cavs win all 3 home games.

lonewolf sure showed us.

[Def1n1tely]

YES! cleveland! just one more game... no more "deeetrooiit baasskketballl"... no more annoying announcers saying "b-b-b-b-b-bbbbilllups"

lebron/wade series = the end of the world

[GeoG2]

It would be insane if SA and Detroit both got closed out in a couple of days... because both Dallas and Cleveland will be at home.

[lonewolf6465]

lonewolf sure showed us.

Tonight's game shocked the hell out of us. Man, there's a chance we win this shit at home, that's just too fucking good.

[Robust]

Yup, today is proof that Lebron > Kobe

Kobe w/shaq couldn't even get 2 games on the pistons, and somehow, someway the king was able to get 3 on them, and push them towards the verge of elimination.

This just a testament of what King James is capable, and this is only his FIRST appearance. I'd like to say sorry to basketball. You officially belong to lebron james. Sorry kobe, you had a great year, 81 points, cleared you rep, and got all your endorsements back up, but step down and back the fuck up.

Clippers vs. Cavs whats really good.

[Hoonyo]

^phil hellmuth is part of dipset now?

so the one thing avery johnson learned from nelson is smallball. i hope it's a smallball west finals. and what can i say about the pistons? im so glad theyre losing. always bitching about not getting respect and probably got too much of it by having 4 players named all stars. im rooting for the cavs to bust them.

[Robust]

^phil hellmuth is part of dipset now?
He's been a member

-Win with Grace, lose with Grace

[ArcadeFire]

Detriot underestimated the Cavs. I still can't belive they're a game away from being eliminated like the Suprs are.

Clips better win tommarow dammit...

[jchensor]

Crazy stuff going on this year. I'm loving it so far. ^_^ I'd be happier if Detroit was up 3-2, not for any reasons against the Cavs. I just think they have a better shot at Miami, and I DO have a problem with Miami. ^_^ If the Cavs win, awesome for them, but they are gonna get steamrolled by the Heat. And even entertaining the idea of J-Will, Walker, and Zo getting rings is making me cry.

Then again, no one thought the Cavs would stand a chance against Detroit, and look at what's going on now. I still don't think that makes LeBron > Kobe, though. Detroit, against the Lakers, played like they had something to prove. Right now, they are playing like they got nothing to prove. And that shift in mindset is a big problem. I don't think the Cavs should get 100% credit for their series lead. I think the Pistons also have a hand in it, playing as unmotivated as they are.

But man, HOW MANY close games have their been this playoffs? This playoffs has made basketball the most exciting and awesome sport on the planet (though most of us knew this already). It's great stuff right now.

And Kobe on TNT was definitely odd. His analysis came from a different angle than any other analyst I've ever seen, but his analysis on what to do against teams and players was great. His only problem was that, when describing individual players, he kept repeating himself. ^_^ Also, I still think he shoulda loosened up a bit more. He just seemed SO intent on... on... discussing strategies and basketball. It really shows how the game IS his life and that he almost doesn't take the time ot enjoy how much fun his life must be because he's so serious about it.

- James

[TGC]

Alright i just watched a replay of Hamilton's last possession. This guy has got to be the worst poser in the fucking world.

I give him props for the rest of his skills, but drawing fouls and flopping is not his game.

[donaldducktm]

And Kobe on TNT was definitely odd. His analysis came from a different angle than any other analyst I've ever seen, but his analysis on what to do against teams and players was great. His only problem was that, when describing individual players, he kept repeating himself. ^_^ Also, I still think he shoulda loosened up a bit more. He just seemed SO intent on... on... discussing strategies and basketball. It really shows how the game IS his life and that he almost doesn't take the time ot enjoy how much fun his life must be because he's so serious about it.

- James
Or maybe he has a deep passion for the sport or to be the best?

[Legend II]

Offtopic: Hey Hihi, what's the name of the girl in your avatar? I'm really curious!

Ontopic: My team is the Suns and they've been since I started watching NBA back in 93. And with all my love and everything, they deserved to lose Game 5. I can understand their approach of no defense because of their scheme, but their no defense approach must extend to only their perimeter defense, not rebounding. How do you expect to be even marginally competitive without rebounding? That's the most important aspect of basketball next to scoring (duh) and the Clippers did a great job on that area and in the series overall. The Clippers have outhustled and played with better poise than the Suns. I truly feel 2 of the Suns victories were more luck than anything. Clippers have done a great job on slowing down and bothering Nash and obviously have dominated the paint with authority on offense and defense yet they're down in the series.

I'm bothered 'cause the Suns showed lots of heart and hustle when they were down against the Lakers and that effort was consistent during 3 games. Why can't they make the effort consistently? It's the playoffs! There will be lots of resting time after you're eliminated but now is business time and no room for fatigue or none of that. It's time to earn your paycheck, rebound the damn ball.

Looking forward to a great Game 6.

PS: Elton, Kaman and Cassell are having a monster series right now.

[Lantis]

I find it highly amusing how Sheed keeps giving his GUARANSHEEDS and ends up looking like a complete douche.

[DanielLarusso]

Kobe is a great basketball player. One of the best ever. But that's it. He's not a great analyst or a great personality OFF the court. At least that's my opinion whenever I see him speak in a casual sense like last night or when he was on Quite Frankly. He's very robot-ish in his personality, but at the same time you listen to him because he's such a great player and you give what he says the benefit of the doubt.

Plus I think Kobe was still hurting from letting Phoenix come back from being down 1-3 to win that series. It ain't like he can go out there and tell these other teams who are still competing what they should and shouldn't be doing when just last week he got one of only a handful of 1-3 comebacks in NBA history handed to him.

--

Just like the Suns, I won't count out Detroit or SA until they're out. The Mavs have the better chance of knocking out the Spurs than the Cavs have of knocking out Detroit though.

[AKUMA2000]

I never thought Detroit would be in a deep hole there in now, not in a million years.....who would have guessed. :confused:

[Cool-Breeze]

Im no longer watching the Basketball season David Stern and the refs are foul and im really really sick of it.
The NBA is about to ATTEMPT another Sob story ending by either choosing Miami to make it in the end Or San-Antonio to beat all the so called adversity and over come before they break up the team next year.

There is no way in hell Cavs could get Pistons in foul trouble?
Both Damon Jones and MArshall scored 14... Wow Whoppty do and they were still barelly in the game, the ticky tact fouls called in every last series has lead me to further believe in yet another NBA conspiracy, I mean Tim Duncan goes 12 for 12, he enters the lane with the same sweeping ugly and SHORT HOOK SHOT and he gets a foul everytime, even though the vidoe cleary shows him placing his left elbow in the chest of the defender while driving so how can you defend this???

I also blame the lack of heart in some players (Dirk) for instence, in the last few seconds of the game how do you attempt a jump shot but dont fully elevate???
He got blocked by BOWEN from the side and it was all ball, DIRK IS Seven FEET, why do you not rise to your fullest potential and if they do attempt a block it will be all for not???

[Cletus Kasady]

My favorite part of the last night was halftime when Charles refused to speak directly to Kobe regarding the whole "selfish"/text message ordeal even though he was RIGHT THERE.

[Night]

There is no way in hell Cavs could get Pistons in foul trouble?
Both Damon Jones and MArshall scored 14... Wow Whoppty do and they were still barelly in the game, the ticky tact fouls called in every last series has lead me to further believe in yet another NBA conspiracy, I mean Tim Duncan goes 12 for 12, he enters the lane with the same sweeping ugly and SHORT HOOK SHOT and he gets a foul everytime, even though the vidoe cleary shows him placing his left elbow in the chest of the defender while driving so how can you defend this???

I'd also bet that if say, the Pistons make a basket and the Cavs do the following inbounds to LeBron, he can carry the ball all the way across the entire court without doing a single dribble and still won't get called for traveling. Not that I blame him or anything, since he probably knows he can take as many steps as he wants since the refs never call him on it, so he'll just keep taking as many steps until they do ring him up, which will be never.

[DanielLarusso]

Holy shit Jason Terry has been suspended for game 6:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12860301/

WOOOW this is huge. That means the Mavs are about at 80 percent or LESS for game 6 and the Spurs get game 7 at home if they can take advantage of probably the Mavs’ second best player being suspended. What a turn of events.

BTW I didn’t even notice the shit that got him suspended so it must not have been too blatant. I think this is a bitch move by the NBA.

[Warblade49]

Just another chance for the Spurs to gain an edge for their comeback. Happy Cavs are winning but very surprised. Cleveland winnning a Championship sounds strange even though I would be glad if it did happen.

[jae hoon]

The officials have been more shitty then normal this year. They need to go back to how they used to call games in the 80s. If it was a foul they called it, but this ticky tac shit wasnt called. They never called floping back then either. I know someone will try to say it is because no one did it but thats bullshit. Vlade was a massive flopper, Marcilonis for the 2of us that remember him was a massive floper.

[Legendary Gokou]

I noticed Michael Finley making a fist and being outraged towards the end of the game, but I didn't know why until I heard about Terry being suspended.



Even as a Spurs fan I don't like the call. A fine should have been assessed.

[spideyman]

go king james beat those pistons. is sheed out for game 6 cause of too many tech's? or hasn't he gotten that many tech's yet?

[Zulu]

And yet another Game 7 for Phoenix and LA. But it's not until Monday. Hm..if the Clippers continue to go inside and shut down Nash like they have been, then they'll go on.

LAC :cool:

I hope the Clippers win. Seriously. They are the feel-good story of the playoffs this year. Moreso than Lebron James. If they win and make it to the WCF against either the Mavs or Spurs, that'll be HUGE. God forbid the Clippers go to the finals and somehow win the NBA Championship.

Well hey..if the Boston Redsox and the Chicago Whitesox can win the World Series...

[Robust]

billy Crystal > Jack Nicholson

[Arz2003!]

I don't care if you guys don't because this series kicks ass:rock:

[TGC]

Lets not forget the last time game 7 Happened in Phx and they played an "inexperienced" team.

Yes i know it's completely different. Anything is possible. It's probably gonna be a bigger nailbiter than last game 7.

I am hoping we do blow them out though, cause i just want my team to win.

[Zulu]

Lets not forget the last time game 7 Happened in Phx and they played an "inexperienced" team.

Yes i know it's completely different. Anything is possible. It's probably gonna be a bigger nailbiter than last game 7.

I am hoping we do blow them out though, cause i just want my team to win.

You can say this though: Both PHX and LA (or LA) have been the best series in the playoffs.

[4neqs]

I hope the Clippers win. Seriously. They are the feel-good story of the playoffs this year. Moreso than Lebron James. If they win and make it to the WCF against either the Mavs or Spurs, that'll be HUGE. God forbid the Clippers go to the finals and somehow win the NBA Championship.


A singularity will open in North America and reality itself will be warped and turn upside-down if that happens. :rofl: :looney: It'll be cool with me though.

[TGC]

I concur

[GeoG2]

Eddie Johnson says the Pistons' bench is one of the worse ever. Charles Barkley once said their bench was better then Miami's (chuckle) and just two nights ago, continued to praise said bench.

Chuck is a moron on so many levels. McDyess is great, Hunter is swell, Maurice Evans has been surprising... but how the hell can they compete with former allstars in Walker, Payton, and Zo? These guys are still very productive.

Chuck makes me mad. He needs to stop.

[Robust]

Eddie Johnson says the Pistons' bench is one of the worse ever. Charles Barkley once said their bench was better then Miami's (chuckle) and just two nights ago, continued to praise said bench.

Chuck is a moron on so many levels. McDyess is great, Hunter is swell, Maurice Evans has been surprising... but how the hell can they compete with former allstars in Walker, Payton, and Zo? These guys are still very productive.

Chuck makes me mad. He needs to stop.
Lol, you could say the same thing about the lakers: payton, malone, etc. etc.

fuck outta here with that old all-starts are that good late in their career. They've become role players, and they SHOULD be hella productive, but it's yet to work. Happens almost everywhere when it's been tried.

Charles in houston
malone in l.a.
payton in l.a.

best players on one team = no championship.

have to be the best team and detroit has proved that.

I'd rather have a nazi mohammed than zo off the bench in the playoffs. He totally fucks with the offense, while nazi understands his role. Although walker has played really well in his role. Usually the old all-stars can't let go of the glory days and still want to be the man. Like payton shit talking wade. LOL


Charles does make no sense like 70% of the time, but i think he's right on this one.

[Zulu]

Charles does make no sense like 70% of the time, but i think he's right on this one.

:looney:

I'm going to use that line from now on.

'YOU DOES NOT MAKE NO SENSE!!''

[archetype]

The officials have been more shitty then normal this year. They need to go back to how they used to call games in the 80s. If it was a foul they called it, but this ticky tac shit wasnt called. They never called floping back then either. I know someone will try to say it is because no one did it but thats bullshit. Vlade was a massive flopper, Marcilonis for the 2of us that remember him was a massive floper.

THE FUCKING TRUTH.

a dude fucking grabs someones nuts and shit doesn't happen but this does get the fuck outta here. nba admins are faggots.

[Robust]

:looney:

I'm going to use that line from now on.

'YOU DOES NOT MAKE NO SENSE!!''
I don't get it? Grammar police on srk?

[Hokuto Shingo]

"Just who does a guy have to sleep with to get some calls around here" - Gregg Popovich

[Cool-Breeze]

Eddie Johnson says the Pistons' bench is one of the worse ever. Charles Barkley once said their bench was better then Miami's (chuckle) and just two nights ago, continued to praise said bench.

Chuck is a moron on so many levels. McDyess is great, Hunter is swell, Maurice Evans has been surprising... but how the hell can they compete with former allstars in Walker, Payton, and Zo? These guys are still very productive.

Chuck makes me mad. He needs to stop.

First off, PLAYA PLEASE.
The Pistons Bench is built around Defense, which means even though we have the BEST starting five in the buisness, if and when we have to bench someone, the next person can come in and fill the slot defensivelly (Not Offensivlly) to hold our lead, or regain the lead. Sadly the bench we have (Pistons) is way more consistent then the Miami Heat's will ever be.

Miami:(The Names you Mentioned) Zo aint have nothing but maybe 10 good games this year out of 82, when Shaq was benched all those games do to foul trouble in the previous series he didnt do anything to fill in the blanks, ZO is well rested, Plus the NETS in terms of there big men played into ZO's CURRENT style of ball play and he still didnt stand out, and he made one of the wackiest comments a big man could make, in the press conference he said this was Shaq's team??? HuH??? I thought it was Wade's?? Next, fool weren't you apart of this team, this system BEFORE Shaq was there?? Havent you worked with Wade and others longer since Shaq spent Soooooo much time out with weak injuries??? Fuck Shaq if you so energetic etc why dont you show that fuck up and score 16-10-and 4 blocks your self, hell Shaq aint even a defensive threat anymore, teams go right at him, ZO on the other hand people test him but have often gotten there Shit Pushed In and others (Vince Carter) fucking dunk on him and his eog goes down and he picks up fouls like Eric Dampier on purpose so he can Ride the oak and blame the loss on the other big man.
Antoine Walker aint shit, he is below steaky, he only had two good games vs the NETS cause Jefferson fudged up his ankle, and in all honesty do you really think he will do that shit against Sheed??? Antoine is a QUANTITY scorer which means he DONT shoot quality shots he shoots large amounts of shots in order to get into a rhythm and score big, He cant throw up that kinda garbage against a team that is better rebounding then them.
Gary Payton is a shell of himself, he hasnt been the same since the Bucks trade, how dare you compare his ass to anyone on the bench of Detroit.
Likewisre with Jason Williams, he is a scorer but not a good one cause he doesnt hit his open jump shots, he doesnt play good defense, and is turnover pron against even mediocre defenders:arazz:

DETROIT: Mcdyess whas a serious 6th Man of the year candidate, and he can get inot double figures against the Heat when ever he wants too, Antoine cant stop that, and haslem is to small, Lindsey Hunter is STILL a member of the Pistons because he is a legitament defender and he has a three point shot that they can count on, he proved that in the first round of this years playoffs against the bucks coming straight off the bench cold and treying shit up like he was a starter.
Tony Delk is a good defender but he is there for his three point shot as well, which is more consistent than the likes of anyone on the HEat's squad except for posey.
Detroits bench is built to defend against the paint, they acquired size in the offseason for the purpose of defending Shaq and Duncan period, there bench is consistent because the KNOW and UNDERSTAND there Role, didnt you watch the press conference, Antoine said he is JUST NOW REALIZING his role, man WHEN DETROIT advances that alone will be there downfall, they are not prepared yet to knock off the Pistons.

[Autocrat1]

"Just who does a guy have to sleep with to get some calls around here" - Gregg Popovich
Reggie Evans? :rofl:

I want Clippers/Mavs and Traveleers/Heat to represent their respective conferences' finales, with either East team vs. Clippers in the NBA Championship.

How hilarious would it be if Shaq wins another championship AGAINST Los Angeles?!

I am sick of all these Brokeback Mountain scene emulators in the playoffs with nut grabbing and punching and shit, but to call what Jason Terry threw a "punch" is like saying Shawn Bradley had at least 10 highlights in his career: further from reality.

Sweet Jesus, I wonder what the NBA will constitute as a kick. :rolleyes:

[Cool-Breeze]

The officials have been more shitty then normal this year. They need to go back to how they used to call games in the 80s. If it was a foul they called it, but this ticky tac shit wasnt called. They never called floping back then either. I know someone will try to say it is because no one did it but thats bullshit. Vlade was a massive flopper, Marcilonis for the 2of us that remember him was a massive floper.

John Stockton was a big and the Greatest Flopper, his team raped the Pick and Roll, but anytime he had to defend against it he was always ont he floor, he also taught Jeff Hornachek this style of play and he carried it for awhile, but notice it never worked as long as the JORDAN RULE's were applied.

The League changed around rules this year and they were all for the worse, I like hand checking, it tones down all these characters who think they are faster they they really are, and these other fucks who claim to have a great first step, or killer crossover.
Marion for example DOES NOT have a great first step compared to league's past, Neither does Ginoboli, yet you always see them on higlight reals speeding past some guy and they get blobking foul and one calls all night.

Tim Duncan is a soft ass big man, his total game is BETTER when away fromt he basket, thats why in college and his first few years in the NBA I labeled himt he new Plastic man cause he stuck to off the backboard and ugly fadeaways. Recently is when he started (maybe these past 2 years) driving towards the basket but, he keeps his elbows high just like Shaq does, only deference is he isnt that heavy so guys dont go flying when he pushes of or cuffs and elbow in there chest and near there neck. In the last game he went 12 for 12 doing the same move and against double teams and the refs bailed him out, Dampier played solid defense against Duncan dispite him scoring 30, Dampier kept his feet moving and if you look back at the video he was almost always in front of Tim, so how was every drive a foul??

The ticky tact jumper fouls is so horried and unfair. What I mean is when the Shooter jumps into the air, the defender does as well but the shooter throws his body into the opponent (Who now is in the air and cannot control there body except for going straight up into here air) and gets a foul call. Why??
Tim uses this tactic against the Mavs and it is ver succesfull, he rises high above his defenders by holding them down with his high elbow, and he leans alot when doing his hook shot, in the 80's the hook shot was away from the basket not the shooter leaning in on the defender going towards the basket.

Once Detroit won there title David Stern seemed upset, stating the NBA had this bad boy image that needed to be removed, I think this was bullshit. B.wallace was often dissed because of his afro, his aggressive rebounding and defending.
Why is this? The league was built off the sweat and backs of the likes of
Robert Parrish, Rick Mahorn, Bill Laimbeer, Dennis Rodman, Bill Russell (Who was aggressive inside) Moses Malone etc, They actualy needed the league to get back to that or at least similer, Cause I hate seeing Wade, Lebron, C.Paul, Iverson, and others drive to the hoop and the big man has to now set up for a charge rather than being able to go contest and beat there shit to the stands.
If they removed that rule these guards like Marbury and other ball hogs would pass more cause they dont want to eat all that damn damage, and because the defense would collapse on them so early it would leave one or maybe even two teammates open long enough for 16 footers or for a slash to the hoop them selves, How you think KuKoc looked so good playing with Jordan those years???

P.S. FUCK YOU LARRY BROWN, this guy (If the contract is paid out) will be paid by 3 different teams all at one time, this fuck is being rewarded for being an ass, HE WAS the most disruptive person in the Knicks organization this year and he is about to get 32 million... FUCK YOU you non loyal, blatter infection having faggot.
Dont come to Atlanta cause I will be waiting with a pallet gun to shot in those wack ass Bifocals ya prick.

[Hoonyo]

antoine walker is garbage. the heat bench doesn't gel as well as the piston bench. the only guy who truly embraces the role of a role player is zo. he knows he's just in there to block or alter shots. payton is good for making the 3, and i guess that's good enough. but antoine walker is shit. fucking hate that guy. takes stupid 3s when he knows he can't make them. i'd let they guy shoot 3s all day.

[jae hoon]

The problem with Twane like I have said before its that he is garbage. He is garbage from 20 feet out, someone lied to him and told him he was a 3pt shooter. When he stays on the blocks or at least 15 feet in, he is very productive.

[Autocrat1]

We were all witnesses

To a lot of offensive rebounds from Detroit :lol:

[4neqs]

*strength*

Next week will be host to a couple of handsome Game 7's. A trio, even, if SA survives again.

[lonewolf6465]

Need a game 7 miracle.

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

Lotsa fouls in this Texas Showdown...

[ArcadeFire]

Damn go Dallas

[The Deadpool]

Can anyone explain to me why Prince is not on LeBron the whole game? I don't understand this at all. I've also noticed that they bitch at almost every call and non call. They remind me of Indy when they 13-0 but then couldn't get it done. Dallas vs. Miami finals I think.

[GeoG2]

Cleveland and Dallas... smh.

Bunch of saps.

Oh and...

First off, PLAYA PLEASE.
The Pistons Bench is built around Defense, which means even though we have the BEST starting five in the buisness, if and when we have to bench someone, the next person can come in and fill the slot defensivelly (Not Offensivlly) to hold our lead, or regain the lead. Sadly the bench we have (Pistons) is way more consistent then the Miami Heat's will ever be.

[snip]

Lol, you could say the same thing about the lakers: payton, malone, etc. etc.

fuck outta here with that old all-starts are that good late in their career. They've become role players, and they SHOULD be hella productive, but it's yet to work. Happens almost everywhere when it's been tried.

[snip]

You are both idiots.

That is all.

[ArcadeFire]

Yay for game 7's!

[archetype]

jesus fucking christ. Can these mutherfuckers win at home? Suns or Clipps need to beat these faggot spurs.

Cool breeze: i agree with you about the fouling shit. Dudes are scared to defend imo. You stick a man and shit(no homo) whistle blows. Dude runs to the hoop you defend and go for the block they flop whistle blows. Shit is gay.

[DanielLarusso]

Michael Finley's cock won that game.

[GeoG2]

antoine walker is garbage. the heat bench doesn't gel as well as the piston bench. the only guy who truly embraces the role of a role player is zo. he knows he's just in there to block or alter shots. payton is good for making the 3, and i guess that's good enough. but antoine walker is shit. fucking hate that guy. takes stupid 3s when he knows he can't make them. i'd let they guy shoot 3s all day.

You guys are disappointing me.

The Heat bench doesn't need to gel... they just need to get the job done at whatever they do.

Those three people I named, in addition to Tony Delk, is the cutoff for Detroit... they don't have anyone else after them.

The reason Miami's bench is better is because it is deeper. Wayne Simien is productive when put into games. Jason Kapono was a a factor when healthy. Derek Anderson, Shandon Anderson, and Michael Doleac are all productive. The whole bench except for about two people, and they aren't even active.

Anyone that shits on Miami's bench in favor Detrot's is simply nuts and know nothing of what they speak. Riley can sub out ALL of his starters and still stay in the game. If all five Detroit players are out, they lose. Big difference.

[AKUMA2000]

The cavs/pistons game 7 should be a good one.

[coN]

jesus fucking christ. Can these mutherfuckers win at home? Suns or Clipps need to beat these faggot spurs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... I dunno why people are fucking bitching about the "bullshit" fouls. Most of the Spurs key players were in foul trouble at the half by some questionable calls. (Duncan, Bowen, etc) Bullshit calls on Mavs? Pffft please. Get that fucking shit outta here. If anything, both teams had "bullshit" calls.

Game 7 BITCHES. Hopefully Spurs win that shit.

[Cool-Breeze]

Cleveland and Dallas... smh.

Bunch of saps.

Oh and...





You are both idiots.

That is all.

You just wish you could post a good point thats all, everyone knows that Detroits bench was not created for points, The Bench was created to preserve a lead made by the starting five, OR to play defense well enough to keep the Pistons going til another offensive minded player returns. Whats so idiotic about what I said??
Its the truth.
Miami's bench is NOT known for its consistency, let alone is it known for keeping them in games whether by offense or defense pfffft :arazz: if you think otherwise.

Matter of fact when do YOU ever post anythign with meaning or worth a damn?


You guys are disappointing me.

The Heat bench doesn't need to gel... they just need to get the job done at whatever they do.

Those three people I named, in addition to Tony Delk, is the cutoff for Detroit... they don't have anyone else after them.

The reason Miami's bench is better is because it is deeper. Wayne Simien is productive when put into games. Jason Kapono was a a factor when healthy. Derek Anderson, Shandon Anderson, and Michael Doleac are all productive. The whole bench except for about two people, and they aren't even active.

Anyone that shits on Miami's bench in favor Detrot's is simply nuts and know nothing of what they speak. Riley can sub out ALL of his starters and still stay in the game. If all five Detroit players are out, they lose. Big difference.

BULL SHIT.
Miami cannot stay in a game even against the likes of New JErsey when they are playing at 60%. And with who??
Stat wise Dwayne Wade is all they have, Other than him Only Shaq puts up anything worth a Damn point wise while everyone else takes up space by either standing around or picking up fouls.
I have posted up above why there bench is needed to go so deep THAT ALONE is what makes Detroit so dangerous.
The fact that they DON'T have to go so far down on there bench and at times it really doesn't matter who there playing against, When except in a blow going in the Pistons favor have you seen the Pistons THIS YEAR have to go further on there bench then Tony Delk????? Ahhhh YOU HAVEN't.

How dare you attempt to post like the HEAT have some type of longevity because they can throw a bunch of players at you who can foul and keep them in it. Like I posted before, ANTOINE WALKER just admitted earlier in the week, he is JUST NOW learning his role.
No one else on that bench provides enough for them to stay in contention with the Pistons. Fool without Wade on the court Miami is OUT of the game, fool gonna post saying he can sub there entire starting five out and stay in a game LoL yea but not against Detroit, the Proof is in the pudding son look at the games all this year vs the Pistons then come back and type a legitament post.

You posted up names of guys who ONCE WERE good or great in other systems, None of these guys have shown they pose a threat when Miami is on the charge, Derek Anderson ain't been right sense he ripped up his shoulder, Shandon Anderson isnt even used for scoring and averages less than 6 a game and all he does is foul. Micheal Doleac doesnt even play unless Zo, Shaq, and Haslem are in foul trouble, and that fuck aint going to keep them in the game versus Detroit mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn get the fuck outta here!!!!
KAPONO................. KAPONO........................ GET YO ASS OFF NBA.COM reading us they entire roster trying to make a point.

[GeoG2]

Matter of fact when do YOU ever post anythign with meaning or worth a damn?

I snipped most of your post, because I don't do essay arguments anymore. I'm beyond that. So when I tell you "that is all"... get a clue.

As far as what I quoted above... I've barely even posted in this thread (or this entire site for that matter) for many months now. So what are you basing this on?

If you're basing it on things I said last season (when I actually participated in this crap often)... then you're entitled to your opinion on my opinions. It's that simple.

[GeoG2]

The fact that they DON'T have to go so far down on there bench and at times it really doesn't matter who there playing against, When except in a blow going in the Pistons favor have you seen the Pistons THIS YEAR have to go further on there bench then Tony Delk????? Ahhhh YOU HAVEN't.

Shit like this is exactly why these threads are trash now... because some of you swear you are analysts... posting long essays of irrelevant trash to try and showboat for the morons who don't know better.

They don't have to go deep? They don't HAVE a fucking bench to go deep. Kelvin Cato and Dale Davis are non-factors. Delfino is inconsistent. Arroyo is not even active. And when you ask "when did they have to go past Tony Delk this year"... newsflash... Delk wasn't with them all year.

You people slay me.

[Hokuto Shingo]

Game 7 BITCHES. Hopefully Spurs win that shit.

You should be shot in the face for being a Spurs fan. Tim Duncan is THE BIGGEST PUSSY in the history of the game. He's never commited a foul and he gets fouled everytime he touches it in his eyes.

[coN]

Hahahaha... Sure. Get the fuck outta here. You even think i give a fuck if Duncans a pussy? Ive supported my team for years, since i was exposed to the NBA and thats it. They win, i get drunk. They lose, i get drunk. Its a win-win bitch. If anything, its the refs. Theyve been calling some fucked up calls on both sides and not only in this series either. Dont gimme that shit that only Spurs get the calls.

Shot in the face? :rofl:

What vomit is gonna spew from your mouth now? That the Spurs are the favorite/sweethearts of the NBA and Sterns favorite team? :rofl:

[merdoc]

....Detroit vs Spurs II....:wink:

[coN]

It could be headed in that direction if this keeps up. Maybe Detriot can get revenge for last year. Its possible.

[AkumaTX]

:( My teams are still in the playoffs, but i didnt watch cause the NBA is turning up too much bullshit to make the game enjoyable. I dont care who bitches and moans, but instant replay is stupid. Unless you are one of sterns golden boys, James, NAsh, and few otehrs, everyone else gets stupid whistles blown all over the place.. Sorry but the nba is losing its edge and soon i wont be watching as much. Its obvious the higher ups favor a few teams above others cause just like everything else, the NBA is a business. Come on. How many of you can obviously say Stern doesnt want James in the finals.

[Cool-Breeze]

Shit like this is exactly why these threads are trash now... because some of you swear you are analysts... posting long essays of irrelevant trash to try and showboat for the morons who don't know better.

They don't have to go deep? They don't HAVE a fucking bench to go deep. Kelvin Cato and Dale Davis are non-factors. Delfino is inconsistent. Arroyo is not even active. And when you ask "when did they have to go past Tony Delk this year"... newsflash... Delk wasn't with them all year.

You people slay me.

DELK HAS been there almost all season you retard and they traded arroyo earlier in the season :rofl: YOU DONT EVEN WATCH the NBA then have the nerve to come in a thread and express your wack as ideas or what ever its not my fault your posts arent worth shit due to the fact that you are not even CURRENT with the happenings of the NBA let alone the teams YOU are talking about.
NO ONE MAKES the Pistons go deep on there bench, DETROIT is a team that doesn't have to reach far for there talent, BUT the bench is vetran enough to stay along a certain system and that is what..... DEFENSE???
In the Detroit Pistons Highlights who do you see from the bench in the highlights???
Lindsey Hunter and Mcdyess, Lindsey's defense is great for Detroit he steals and goes one on one with some of the best the Eastern Conference has to offer, he sometimes provides a spark to keep them either in a game or further ahead, McDyess like I said before was almost 6th man of the year, Who on Miami's squad can say they were near that, or even means that much ot there team??
Miami's bench isnt even spoken on like Detoits is.

Shut yo Dumb ass up and stop posting.

" Arroyo is not even active. " <<<<<<<<<< DID YOU ALL SEE WHAT HE POSTED:confused: How you gonna label Defino inconsistent HAS HE PLAYED BESIDES IN BLOW OUTS????

How bout you return back to NBA.COM and read the transaction history ya prick and stop posting in this thread cause you have no legitament point, and it shows you know nothing of what you speak on or about.

[Hoonyo]

Shit like this is exactly why these threads are trash now... because some of you swear you are analysts... posting long essays of irrelevant trash to try and showboat for the morons who don't know better.

They don't have to go deep? They don't HAVE a fucking bench to go deep. Kelvin Cato and Dale Davis are non-factors. Delfino is inconsistent. Arroyo is not even active. And when you ask "when did they have to go past Tony Delk this year"... newsflash... Delk wasn't with them all year.

You people slay me.Duh, Arroyo isn't active because he isn't even with the team anymore lol. Not sure what you were trying to say by adding him to the conversation. The Heat and Pistons have a similar bench except you have two fomer all-stars coming off the Heat bench. Miami primarily plays 3 people off the bench: Zo, GP, and Posey. That's it. You won't see Doleac and the Anderson brothers unless it's garbage time. Pistons play 4 people off the bench: Hunter, Delk, Evans, McDyess. Davis and Cato were picked up so they could throw 12 more fouls at Shaq if needed. Now that I think about their benches are almost even. I'd still give the nod to the Pistons their bench is proven.

[GeoG2]

DELK HAS been there almost all season

Once again, you're an idiot. I'm sure getting cut by Atlanta and signing with Detroit during the season is in everyone's imagination.

Edit: For a specific number of games, NBA.com says he played 23 games. That's most of the season now?

Correction on Arroyo, though. I forgot they traded him along with Milicic. Sue me.

But other then that... you're still an idiot.

LOL @ your long posts. I hope you understand I read the first 4-6 sentences at most. You can say I'm a closeminded prick or something of that nature... but at the end of the day, I still think you're a retard for your crappy logic behind why Detroit's bench is better.

Stop wasting your time, dumbo.

[GeoG2]

Duh, Arroyo isn't active because he isn't even with the team anymore lol. Not sure what you were trying to say by adding him to the conversation. The Heat and Pistons have a similar bench except you have two fomer all-stars coming off the Heat bench. Miami primarily plays 3 people off the bench: Zo, GP, and Posey. That's it. You won't see Doleac and the Anderson brothers unless it's garbage time. Pistons play 4 people off the bench: Hunter, Delk, Evans, McDyess. Davis and Cato were picked up so they could throw 12 more fouls at Shaq if needed. Now that I think about their benches are almost even. I'd still give the nod to the Pistons their bench is proven.

Three former allstars... not two.

And I'm talking about the reg season, FYI... not the playoffs. So with that in mind, Posey didn't come off the bench. And no, those players weren't garbage time only.

I see every game. Shandon is their defensive specialist... he's in there for about half of two quarters. Derek's need was lowered when Jason came back... he was brought in to occupy needs at the guard position... sologically his role would decline, but he is still very much used.

Doleac is not garbage time.

What kills me is how people are here surpressing what these guys have been doing. Like, Toine wasn't one of the best scoring 6th men, or Zo wasn't a top three shotblocker, or Payton wasn't doing his job when Jason was out.

There wouldn't BE a Heat season if not for these guys. When Shaq was out in the beginning, Zo was there beasting. And Payton started many games in replace of Jason.

[TrunksSS3]

Thanks Stern for helping the mavericks lose last night

[coN]

I knew someone was gonna bitch about it. :rofl:

Give me a fucking break.

[Power Man Fox]

Michael Finley's cock won that game.


:rofl:
San Antonio 1
Mark Cuban 0

[Cool-Breeze]

Three former allstars... not two.

And I'm talking about the reg season, FYI... not the playoffs. So with that in mind, Posey didn't come off the bench. And no, those players weren't garbage time only.

I see every game. Shandon is their defensive specialist... he's in there for about half of two quarters. Derek's need was lowered when Jason came back... he was brought in to occupy needs at the guard position... sologically his role would decline, but he is still very much used.

Doleac is not garbage time.

What kills me is how people are here surpressing what these guys have been doing. Like, Toine wasn't one of the best scoring 6th men, or Zo wasn't a top three shotblocker, or Payton wasn't doing his job when Jason was out.

There wouldn't BE a Heat season if not for these guys. When Shaq was out in the beginning, Zo was there beasting. And Payton started many games in replace of Jason.


How in the hell you see everygame and NOT KNOW Arroyo has been traded for the most part of the season??

Derek Anderson's stats THIS YEAR Regular Season:
Games Played: 23
Games Started: 3
Minutes per game:20.2
Points per game: 5.8
Blocks:.09
Steals: .35

Shandon Anderson's stats THIS YEAR Regular Season:
Games Played: 48
Games Started: 1
Minutes Per Game: 13.3
Points Per Game:2.6
Blocks: .13
Steals: .35

James Posey's stats THIS YEAR Regular Season:
Games Played:67
Games Started: 63
Minutes Per Game: 28.6
Points Per Game:7.2
Blocks: .30
Steals: .81

Jason Kapono's stats THIS YEAR Regular Season:
Games Played: 51
Games Started: 2
Minutes Per Game: 13.0
Points Per Game:4.1
Blocks: .06
Steals: .14

Antoine Walker a best scoring 6th man???

Season Series Miami vs Pistons:
December 29, 2005
The Palace of Auburn Hills,
Auburn Hill
PISTONS 106 HEAT 101

D.Wayne:33Points/6rebounds/
S. O'Neal:26points/6rebounds/
J.Williams:20points/3rebounds/3steals
U.Haslem:8points/10rebounds/
J.Posey:2points/5rebounds/
G.Payton:5points/1rebounds/
A.Walker:3points/1rebounds/
A.Mourning:4points/4rebounds/
Kapono,Simien,Anderson and Anderson all did not play


February 12, 2006
AmericanAirlines Arena,
Miami, FL
HEAT 100 PISTONS 98
C.Billups:29points/10assists
R.Hamilton:25points/5assists/4rebounds
R.Wallace:21points/3rebounds/3assists
B.Wallace:7rebounds/3points/
A.Mcdyess:8points/3rebounds
T.Prince:5points/10rebounds

March 22,2006
ARENA: Palace of Auburn Hills, Detroit, MI
HEAT 73 PISTONS 82

April 6,2006
ARENA: American Airlines Arena, Miami, FL
PISTONS 95 HEAT 82


Go to NBA.com or somewhere and check the stats your bench produced shit agains the PISTONS in any of these games bra, I can care less what they do against other teams because DETROIT is who they will be facing, DETROIT is who matters. Even the starting fives wasn't consistent, Wade had a game with only like 13points and shit.

[Hokuto Shingo]

If San Antonio goes on to the next round Im curious as to who they'll get suspended.

[Cool-Breeze]

If San Antonio goes on to the next round Im curious as to who they'll get suspended.

If they face The Clips it will be Sam Cassell.
If its Phoenix it will either be Bell again or Diaw LoL.

Im hoping Detroit will be facing one of the running teams so it can be an up and down struggle, It would be exciting on each side of the ball, Offense and High scoring ina few games, and great half court defense in the others, this way the finals wont be boring like they were when Spurs vs Pistons happened.

For some reason Bill Walton thinks the Heat are built to defeat the Spurs and I really think not, Without Shaq Miami looks horrible.

[The Invincible Swordsman]

Goodbye Bron. See ya later. King James? How about your kingdom for a rebound? Great game. I didn't notice how low scoring it was until the end of each quarter.

What's all this D-troit's bench is better talk? Don't they play only 2 people for extended minutes? (Hunter and McDyess) Delk will come in for about what?..... 5 minutes a game primarily to not turn the ball over. He doesn't shoot and he's an o.k defender. And don't get it twisted. D-Troit doesn't not play their bench because they don't need to..... it's because they're NOT GOOD ENOUGH. When D-troit won their first title, they were bringing a lot of guys off the bench. Mehmet Okur was coming off the bench.... and it wasn't for defense. I can't believe somebody mentioned Evans' name. I saw him get in the game yesterday at the 1.1 mark at the end of the 1st half for an inbounds play. Then the Cavs threw the ball inbounds..... right out of bounds do D-troit got possession. Then Evans got taken out for Rip. So unless my math was incorrect, Evans got in the game for 0 seconds. You want garbage time? Evans is garbage time.

I thought the being the better bench meant you had the deeper bench. Miami CLEARLY has that. Zo, Glove, and Toine are better than D-troit's bench by themselves. Then you've got the Andersons, Doleac (good for a jumper or two from the key every game) and Posey (who sometimes starts and sometimes doesn't like Toine). It's playoff time and look how much D-Troit trusts their bench. Only Hunter and McDyess get tick. Miami gives tick to more than just 2 guys.


This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

Does Sasuke have to flop everytime he moves around the ball? It's so gay.

[GeoG2]

How in the hell you see everygame and NOT KNOW Arroyo has been traded for the most part of the season??

Out of all the trades that happened, you think I'm supposed to remember that one in particular?

I don't see every game of every team.

Maybe if they showed the Magic on TV more often, I would have.

----

P.S: I've seen you mention NBA.com about 4 times now. You're an NBA.com whore. Get off that website and stop watching Sportscenter, kid.

And you're here talking about stats? Only people who don't watch the games are big on stats. They do nothing to highlight big shots Derek has hit, the stability Payton provided during Jason's absense, the defense Shandon and James has played... etc.

I can't believe somebody mentioned Evans' name.

I was the one that mentioned Evans... but it was only to highlight every person Detroit plays, regardless of minutes.

Evans has gone in outside garbage time... played great defense and hit threes... made good finishes. But that's it.

The playoffs have kind of messed things up, because other then Miami, Dallas, and San Antonio... no one else is playing their benches deep... so it kind of gives a narrow view of what they were worth during the regular season.

All that said, I agree. The Pistons' bench is nowhere near as deep as Miami's... and Cool-Breeze is a retard for not realizing depth is what makes a good bench.

[ViciousSLASH]

Who gets suspended after a game is over for something that wasn't noticable until you watch a tape over and over ?

What the fuck is that shit NBA ? It's like they want these playoffs ( which have been fucking great ) to be terrible. Cause shit, they sure are trying hard enough with all the crappy reffing and retarded fouls.

Shit, if you are gonna watch tape and suspend Terry you might as well go and suspend entire teams for shit like that.

Here's hoping the Spurs lose ( they are awesome and I love them, but I am tired of them, new teams in the finals please )

Dream finals is Dallas v Cleveland (miami would be fine too, c'mon Lebron vs Wade conference finals ! ) . NBA will probably fuck it up with secret society bullshit and make it Detroit v SA, again.

[shinobi00]

Well san antonio got some got some bad foul calls that probably changed the out come of a game, but suspending jason terry was prety ridiculous. maybe the nba did it to make it seem like they weren't siding with a particular team. but if the spurs had video evidence, and presented it to the nba it's not like they could do absolutely nothing about it. this conspiracy theory bullshit thats been around for years is really is really ridiculous. The better team always wins.

[Sharktongue]

the better team doesn't always wins. The term "upset" isn't around for nothing. Like example cle beats detroit. That would be an "upset"

anyway go heat, i am excited to seeing them. If the pistons play this sloppy vs them, i don't think they have a chance vs Shaq and company

[lonewolf6465]

About 16 hrs till the Pistons/Cavs game.. I'm going to change my mind for the final time, Cavs win.

[shinobi00]

the better team doesn't always wins. The term "upset" isn't around for nothing. Like example cle beats detroit. That would be an "upset"

anyway go heat, i am excited to seeing them. If the pistons play this sloppy vs them, i don't think they have a chance vs Shaq and company

Whens the last time something like this has happened? It's been a good 5+ years. And it's not the nba that does it it either it's because the team that has the best series wins. The better team overall always wins. There are hardly any upsets in the nba due to the number of games played in a seires.

[Cool-Breeze]

Geo Im a grown ass man 25 to be exact.
My dick is bout longer then your forearm, and dont ever disrespect in this thread or the next calling me a kid.

You and swordsman can say depth makes a good bench but if you subbing in motherfuckers who DONT Contribute then what are they???
Ya'll fuckers forgetting something, NO ONE in the NBA goes past maybe 2 people on there bench, NO ONE goes any further since Adleman and the Kings broke up there great bench, they were the ONLY TEAM in the NBA who could sub a COMPLETE 5 and still keep an advantage, NO ONE DOES THAT NOW.

So what Miami has soooo many former All Stars on there team, These older All Stars are nolonger All Stars and now have NEW ROLE's they need to learn.
D. Anderson,S.Anderson,Kapono,And M.Doleac, have been none factors all year, this years Playoffs will be no different. Miami this year has only goen maybe 2 deep on there bench unless fouls dictated who they had to bring in.

Last but not least I dont get my info from NBA.com, I watch actual games, I have the NBA television network as well.

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

I'd consider the Detroit-Lakers series to be an upset of sorts. Granted, the Laker machine was slowly starting to unravel...

[AkumaTX]

Dude its obvious many times the higher ups or refs side with a particular team. Anyone who watched teh Jazz play during the 90's would have realized that many teams got stupid calls called on them when playing the jazz at their home. I'm sure these conspiracies exist in the nba or in any league. Hell they are businesses. Got to make money some how.

[DaliPicard]

Dude its obvious many times the higher ups or refs side with a particular team. Anyone who watched teh Jazz play during the 90's would have realized that many teams got stupid calls called on them when playing the jazz at their home. I'm sure these conspiracies exist in the nba or in any league. Hell they are businesses. Got to make money some how.

Are you fucking crazy!? No two players got the short end of the ref and David Stern stick more than John Stockton and Karl Malone. They probably got screwed 17 out of the 18 post seasons they played.

[Cool-Breeze]

Are you fucking crazy!? No two players got the short end of the ref and David Stern stick more than John Stockton and Karl Malone. They probably got screwed 17 out of the 18 post seasons they played.

Thats a lie, Karl Malone and Stockton as a tandem went to the Free Throw line more than any other tandem, Yes maybe against the Bulls they got shitted on, that was because of the Jordan rules.
But hell doesn't Stockton hold a recond for Free throws and percentage??
Malone back then went to the line about as much as shooting guards he always lead the league in free throw percetages (In terms of the PF position).

The rules have been altered for more offense, Exciting finishes, Driving,Dunks, Slashing and Crossovers, and most important High Scoring.

BUT the league favors (Or David Stern) the team with the best story at that time.
San-Antonio was tha last year because of there diversity, the fact that they have players from all over the glob, This was important in terms of image becuase of the NBA wanting to start a International league and San-Antonio was the poster childs for this...
"Hey join our NBA developmental league, and you can be champions just like our San-Antonio Spurs"

People from other countries look at us the USA, we are the land of the free, great for small people to come up etc, they see someone from damn Yugolslovia (I spelled it wrong) making millions and winning championships, the push there money, ideas, clothing lines etc.

[GeoG2]

Geo Im a grown ass man 25 to be exact.
My dick is bout longer then your forearm, and dont ever disrespect in this thread or the next calling me a kid.

LOL.

I don't give a fuck how old you are. I'm 25 also. Do you want a cookie?

You're still a kid, genius. Your comprehension rivals a kid, so I call you a kid.

Deal with it.

Your crappy reply to what me and Swordsman said is further proof that you have 0 idea of what you're talking about.

NO ONE goes past 2 people on their bench? LOL... right, kid.

[AkumaTX]

DETROIT BASKETBALL!

[Cool-Breeze]

LOL.

I don't give a fuck how old you are. I'm 25 also. Do you want a cookie?

You're still a kid, genius. Your comprehension rivals a kid, so I call you a kid.

Deal with it.

Your crappy reply to what me and Swordsman said is further proof that you have 0 idea of what you're talking about.

NO ONE goes past 2 people on their bench? LOL... right, kid.

Prove it??
Who else in the league outside the Playoffs plays there entire bench???

Suns: L.Barbosa,Tim Thomas (Since they acquired him)
Spurs:M.Finley, Horry
Mavericks: Devin Harris, M.Daniels
Heat:G.Payton,A.Walker

Need I really go on??? You a dick riding faggot thinking cause Swordsman responded you got somebody on your team or band wagon, but you wack son AS USUALL.

The best bench is NOT based on How many Players you can throw on the court its there productivity, ask anyone else in this thread, NO teams in the NBA go that far down there bench EXCEPT in the Playoffs, and even then they dont expect most of those players to produce anything more then fouls.
I used the Kings as an example because they were the last team to have a GREAT bench 5 on and 5 off, I bet you if Swordsman read that post then replied you would change your tune and most of the thread would agree.
The LAkERS when facing the Pistons had on paper and by name BY FAR THE DOMINATING TEAM. But what happened???
They didnt Jell, No real team chemistry, they got so far based on the names and off the backs of KOBE and SHAQ now thats FACT.

Damn near all season Those teams I mentioned up above went 2 MAYBE three deep, No deeper than that. OF course your going to go deeper in this years playoffs when the Refs are blowing there whistles like there hunking at Playboy bunnies.

[TGC]

Look here's a pretty straight-forward fact.

By this time in the playoffs, coaches only trust about 6-7 players. It's rare that people go that deep into the benches. Usually for foul reasons, hardly for offense or defense purposes.

[DaliPicard]

James has nothing to be ashamed of..... he definately the future of the NBA. But now the question is: Detriot or Miami?

[PC2000]

James has nothing to be ashamed of..... he definately the future of the NBA. But now the question is: Detriot or Miami?

Hi Dali! Detroit

[lonewolf6465]

Let's go Heat.

;l

[ROBOTRON]

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6662/robopistons0qt.gif

[GeoG2]

Got diggity dammit.

WTF is wrong with these teams? Why can't you stay focused and close these damn power teams out?

[GeoG2]

You a dick riding faggot thinking cause Swordsman responded you got somebody on your team or band wagon, but you wack son AS USUALL.

I don't care if TIS or anyone else agrees.. I just acknowledge him for being seemingly the only other person with sense.

Hell, I don't even care about Miami enough to want them to go the Finals... so at the end of the day, whoever's bench is better means nothing.

You're here riding Detroit's bench and acting like a hostile loon, and I'm simply laughing at you. Your sad attempts to prove something to me is worthless.

Keep trying, kid.

EDIT:

Suns: L.Barbosa,Tim Thomas (Since they acquired him)
Spurs:M.Finley, Horry
Mavericks: Devin Harris, M.Daniels
Heat:G.Payton,A.Walker

You really don't watch the NBA at all. You really have no argument.

Suns don't play Eddie House and James Jones now? Both averaged double digit minutes during the regular season, and I'm pretty sure they probably are doing such in the playoffs.

How do you mention Horry, when Brent Barry averaged more minutes then him off the bench?

Dallas didn't use Stackhouse now? Diop? Van Horn?

Oh yeah... Heat only used Payton and Walker. Zo was top three in blocks when he got no minutes, I'm sure.

People like you make me sad, seriously.

Don't ever fucking try to 1-up me with your pathetic Sportscenter knowledge, you buffoon. It will NEVER work.

[DA GAME]

DA GAME hopes the Clippers & Mavs win tonight.Don't know about you guys but DA GAME is sick of seeing & hearing the same ol' thing--Spurs & Suns Spurs & Suns.Hey Stern let us see something different like Mavs/Clips.

[merdoc]

DETROIT BASKETBALL!

hell fucking yeah! GO PISTONS!

[Robust]

lol @ ppl still responding to cool-breeze. That guy knows SOOOO much about basketball, it's quite rediculous.

[illusive]

I think there's a little bit of right and wrong on both sides of this bench debate so far. Ultimately, this centers on McDyess vs. Mourning and Walker (or Posey, whoever's starting).

In terms of overall productivity, I'd rank them:

1. Walker
2a. McDyess
2b. Posey
3. Mourning

The top three are really close, considering what they each give to their teams, but Miami wins. I like the fact Walker/Posey are completely different players but still nicely interchangeable at the same spot. I'll also admit, I'm a little bit biased because I LOVE what McDyess brings to the floor. Good defensive body, and I'd almost value McDyess' mid-range shot over Walker or Posey's excellent perimeter games. Almost.

Mourning slides (I almost didn't even want to consider him) because it's a fucking pain to watch him just take up space on the offensive end.... does anybody else set more illegal screens and collect more retarded lane violations than Zo? Possession is way too valuable at this point in the season to even consider him a slightly above average player.

As far as I'm concerned, Williams and Payton don't manipulate the offense much, if at all, so it doesn't matter what's going at Miami's PG spot other than "not fucking up." In other words, they're average players who are just around to hit open perimeter shots (like any NBA guard should), and from now on, probably nothing more, especially since Payton won't be able to post-up any of Detroit's starters. Lindsey Hunter is about the same for Detroit. These guys aren't worth discussing much.

Doleac, Anderson, Anderson, Evans, etc -- all decent players with good seasons, but like somebody already said, their contributions range from none to miniscule at this point. If they're ever on the floor, their only purpose is to "not fuck up" long enough for the main players to get some rest. Great teams don't win championships for stocking up on average players. You want your best out there as much as possible.

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

Eddie House hasn't played since Game 1 and Game 7 of Round 1 (I think). Whatever the case, he hasn't brought the streaky shooting to the playoffs yet.

Like someone said already, Playoff basketball will center around starters and like 2 people from the bench. Regular season is what you guys should be debating, as I haven't heard of super bench production in these playoffs yet (that, or I'm not paying attention).

[Kim Sue-il]

Pistons need to win this year so McDyess can get his ring. That man deserves it. I'm praying Dallas wins tomorrow. Then I can finally get my Dallas/Detroit match up.

[GeoG2]

I haven't heard of super bench production in these playoffs yet (that, or I'm not paying attention).

Mavericks use everyone. Adrian Griffin, Daniels, Stackhouse, Van Horn, Diop... everyone.

As far as bench production, they're tops.

Walker has been a starter in Miami so they can start with more offense and have more balanced depth off the bench. Detroit doesn't have that type of luxury.

illusive: I still don't really agree with folks saying guys like Doleac and others have barely contributed, but I'm tired of debating it. No big deal.

These playoffs have made me so upset. I LOVE to see upsets, yet underdogs can't ever seem to get it together in the end. It annoys me.

[Cool-Breeze]

Well My point was made. Lindsey Hunter good defense mad props to you dog.


Anyways back to the present, Detroit wins a game that should not have happened in the first place.

NOW WILL DALLAS finally rise to the occasion and sit the Spurs down, or will they choke yet again and blame it on the refs...yet again.
Im interested in the Clips winning just because there the only underdogs left,and because I like the players on the team, ROSS,MAGGETTE,LIVINGSTON,these guys play nice defense on Nash.

[TGC]

You really don't watch the NBA at all. You really have no argument.

Suns don't play Eddie House and James Jones now? Both averaged double digit minutes during the regular season, and I'm pretty sure they probably are doing such in the playoffs.



LOL please say someone doesn't watch it, and then throw a statement like that. Eddie House has been lucky to play at all these playoffs. The first chance was to see how he would do, and he didn't do well at all, so he hardly played at all. The most he has played was VS Lakers game 7 because we blew out the lakers, so there was hardly the risk.

[illusive]

I consider a contributor as someone who plays competitive minutes every single game because coaches know these players are crucial to success. Remember when the Sacramento Kings were one of the best teams out there, and they were considered the deepest team in the league? They only went eight players solid. That's roughly three guys off the bench who get ~20 minutes every single game.

Doleac and Co. are all serviceable players and they all have their moments, but they're not guys who'll typically give you the lead. The moment they get put in, their only job is to maintain a positive +/-. If they build a lead, that's great. Side benefit. If not, they're subbed out as quickly as possible.

Why play Doleac when you already have Posey and Haslem, who can drill mid-range shots just as well and bring other things to the table? Why play James Jones (awesome player, IMO) and Eddie House when you have Boris Diaw, Thomas, Marion, Barbosa, and Bell?

Dallas might run the deepest at about 9 guys. Van Horn would be the 10th, but has only played in two games all post-season long, while even Adrian Griffin's PT is cutting down just a smidge.

P.S. What's up with Larry Hughes? Is he still injured or something? Last post-season he pissed me off to no end with some godly perimeter shooting and slashing -- I almost considered him about equal to Gilbert Arenas, and practically a Top 20 or 30 guy -- and now he's laid an egg practically all year long. And fuck Flip Murray. How the hell was Coach Brown letting this guy take so many shots early in the possession when he's shooting 20% for the entire series?

[Outkast]

Eddie House has played like 6 minutes the whole series and has no points. Suns are running only 6-7 deep nowadays. Nash looks like he is gonna die out there :looney:

O yea, go clips...

[Robust]

steve nash isn't a race horse, the wear and tear is showing. yeah, 3 days of rest is a lot. he's going to have a good game, but wow, even if they win another series that will likely go to 6
and if they win that another series likely to end in 6

Do any of you honestly think they can maintain the rediculous level of energy they play with each day in and out? It's not regular season. Don't bring that up. Every posession counts, every three, every fere-throw, every lay-up. I don't know. Esp w/o Amare i think they're done for bueno.

[Outkast]

I predict a a Clipper win with big balls Cassel bringing it home....

I wouldn't be too mad though if the suns win., just a tad.

I'm getting in the time machine right now, Suns will be in the finals next year I think, with everybody healed up.

[Robust]

I predict a a Clipper win with big balls Cassel bringing it home....

I wouldn't be too mad though if the suns win., just a tad.

I'm getting in the time machine right now, Suns will be in the finals next year I think, with everybody healed up.
If Amare is back... I would be so scared of the suns. They probably would be there this year, if he was there the whole year.

[TGC]

I just want Suns to beat both LA teams. Championship chances aren't that high with so many injuries, but just one more win at least PLEASE!

GO SUNS!

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

Err yeah...

Go Suns! And Mavs I guess...

[Robust]

go clippers aka CLAPPERS

[DA GAME]

Well My point was made. Lindsey Hunter good defense mad props to you dog.


Anyways back to the present, Detroit wins a game that should not have happened in the first place.

NOW WILL DALLAS finally rise to the occasion and sit the Spurs down, or will they choke yet again and blame it on the refs...yet again.
Im interested in the Clips winning just because there the only underdogs left,and because I like the players on the team, ROSS,MAGGETTE,LIVINGSTON,these guys play nice defense on Nash.
DA GAME couldn't agree with you more Cool-Breeze.Detroit has a tendency to "fuck around" too much.DG doesn't know what Pistons team he was looking at,the one that won 64 games this year & manhandled the Bucks in the 1st round or the one that didn't give a shit against Cleveland.The match-up with Miami worries DG.Detroit will take the series in 6 but if the "we don't give a shit"Pistons team shows up against the Heat like they did against the Cavs,then the Heat will take the series.

[Warblade49]

The City of Cleveland is in pain. That lost hurt. No coaching, no teammate, no glory. It would have been better if they would have lost in 5....

[GeoG2]

Doleac and Co. are all serviceable players and they all have their moments, but they're not guys who'll typically give you the lead. The moment they get put in, their only job is to maintain a positive +/-. If they build a lead, that's great. Side benefit. If not, they're subbed out as quickly as possible.

Why play Doleac when you already have Posey and Haslem, who can drill mid-range shots just as well and bring other things to the table? Why play James Jones (awesome player, IMO) and Eddie House when you have Boris Diaw, Thomas, Marion, Barbosa, and Bell?

Dallas might run the deepest at about 9 guys. Van Horn would be the 10th, but has only played in two games all post-season long, while even Adrian Griffin's PT is cutting down just a smidge.

The bulk of Doleac's contributions came when Shaq was hurt and he backed up Zo... before eventually winding up hurt.

Why play him? For size. We've seen what size does to a team like Phoenix... and as far as I know, Doleac is taller then Zo. A big man that can stretch the floor and nail open midrange shots is always a plus and is the reason he gets minutes at all.

I'd play James Jones over Diaw because he's far more consistent as a 3p shooter. He's more consistent then all those guys minus Bell and Barbosa. Truth told, this is why Jones is still getting a good amount of minutes in the postseason.

LOL please say someone doesn't watch it, and then throw a statement like that. Eddie House has been lucky to play at all these playoffs. The first chance was to see how he would do, and he didn't do well at all, so he hardly played at all. The most he has played was VS Lakers game 7 because we blew out the lakers, so there was hardly the risk.

Dude, I was talking about the regular season.

That's the problem with some of you guys... you're talking only playoffs. I'm not.

House did double digit minutes in the regular season. He was a factor then.

[TGC]

Why the hell would we talk about bench in the regular season. The regular season has already happened. Most of the stuff you posted everybody already knows. Why the whole argument started is because everybody probably thinks your talking about playoffs.

[Lantis]

Damn...Dallas is giving the Spurs a first quality BEATDOWN, son! :wasted:

[HaiDuongRiceMan]

Because they're shooting a gajillion percent in the first half o_O

There's not really a 3pt shooter besides Jones, Bell, and Barbosa. Nash is supposed to light it up, but 13 games in 26 days takes a toll on his 30-something body. Diaw is NEVER supposed to be shooting 3s. Not this season.

And holy crap, I remember that Chapman shot they showed at halftime...

[Legendary Gokou]

Spurs are losing by 14 by half. Everyone in this house has already said its over.



I haven't. They can still come back and win, but it'll take a lot of effort for them to come back.

[ArcadeFire]

Spurs are only down by 8. C'mon Dallas.

[Zigmover21]

Wow, Mavs couldn't get a call even if Manu were to punch Dirk in the face at this point.

[4neqs]

Manu (aka Floptimus Prime) helpin' the Spurs trim that lead down. o.O

[GeoG2]

See, this is why I'm growing to hate the playoffs annually.

Don't ever expect the unexpected. It just doesn't happen.

All I want, is a freaking upset. Please.

[dev1ant]

OMG, Spurs......

EDIT: Nevermind....

[ArcadeFire]

Spurs are gonna take it. Dallas is screwed...

EDIT: Dirk ties it with a 3-point play

[Hoonyo]

i just wanna see horry make another 3 to win it.

[4neqs]

overtime
*heart attack*

[The Deadpool]

damn this game... why OT? I have to watch 24! Damn... so exciting though... decision decision.

[ArcadeFire]

Wow Dallas loses 3 of it's guys to fouls. Jesus...

[AKUMA2000]

Looks like dallas is gonna win it in OT, the spurs had a chance to win but it's over for them.

[GuiltyNight]

This game is over 5 point lead 22 seconds left mavs got it in the bag

[Zigmover21]

GGPO San Antonio. Any kind of win or tie and Mark Cuban's head will fly right off.

[The Deadpool]

STUPIDEST FUCKING FOUL EVER. NOT TIME OFF THE CLOCK AND A SHOT AND POSSESION? Fucking Devin Harris.

[ArcadeFire]

Random ass foul called on Dallas and Spurs are down by 4.

EDIT: Dallas by 6. Spurs are done GGPO.

Meanwhile Suns by 9 over teh Clippers.