To all the folks trippin' on "cheap" tactics.......Grow the fuck up.

[Mycah Leonhart]

Now I know this will earn me a few negs but what the hell.......

Stop bitching, yeah they are cheap and dare I say "Dishonorable" like the K' one inch bullshit (that I too am guilty of using) but seriously, get over it this if any of you have been to a tourny a SERIOUS tourny this kind of shit is all you see, everything goes I'm sorry to tell you this but it's true.

I used to be the same way back in 2001 but then I signed up here and started becoming a regular in the Midwest CvS2 scene, cheap shit is the name of the game, it's not like this shit is unavoidable just step your game up and learn what can be done or how to either do 1 of the following.......

A.) When it's coming and how to defend against it.
or
B.) How to NOT put yourself in that perdicament in the first place.

This is how it is in the Tourny Scene, stop giving SNK players a bad rep, this is why they think of as nothing but a bunch of scrubs, quit bitching about it and step your game up - tell others what you've seen out there in the field and think of ways to avoid it or not even be caught up in it - That is all.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Mycah speaks the mother fucking truth. I'm tired of all the bitching you guys do. I'm not a part of the tourney scene, but I know that you do what you have to do to win. "Cheap" is a word for the losers...I've never seen a guy, who just won, say "zOMG! He's such a cheap, cheating bastard!"

At least here's not as bad as GameFAQs...

[Projectjustice]

Im going to have to agree with Mycah, im not big on the KOF series but a win is a win. Take his advice and step up your game. I am planning to get KOF02/03 soon and since Ill be pretty knew to the series. Im going to do whatever it takes to get a win. Its how you learn to play.

[Chachi]

I'll get over the cheap bs eventually, but people gotta mix it up. This isn't Evo. Throw the rankings and records out the window, and just go fucking crazy on each other. Do what you want, but if it's not entertaining, I won't stick around for too long.

[Cybuster]

Ultimately, both sides have fairly valid points. Mycah, I don't think what you say deserves Negative Rep. Some of the tactics used are a tad ridiculous, mind you...but this is true of most fighting games. CvS2 has A-Groove Sakura; block her and get Guard Crushed PLUS take damage equal to an average super anyhow, plus it's largely safe to use. SF3 has Ken, Chun, and Yun. Tekken 5 had (past tense due to 5.1/DR) Steve. What 2003's "top tier tactic" is, I don't know just yet.

But these are clearly the most effective ways to win in various games. As a result, they are the most commonly used. It's a self-perpetuating cycle. Top Tactic wins, people emulate it, others do it right back just to stay competitive.

The end result is less variety in gameplay. THIS is what I object to most. Repetition of a certain tactic over and over is certainly annoying, but on about a good 85% of the characters in KoF 2003, you can do something about it. Tizoc's Active Tupon setups are best dealt with by just anti-air'ing him. His Justice Hurricane setups are easily rolled away from...and some can even be ducked. That's just an example, esp. since Tizoc is OBVIOUSLY NOT "top tier." Some tactics just seem either unstoppable, or extremely hard to stop. I'm currently researching what to do about typical K' patterns...they're damn annoying, but I'm not quite ready to say "unbeatable" to it, because I have some proof it's not.

Basically, I do understand the "Playing To Win" philosophy (and 60-70% agree with it; I just think Sirlin takes it to an extreme that I'm not in full support of). Mostly because embracing PTW to the fullest ultimately, contrary to the theory implied by the philosophy, results in scene stagnation. Development of new tactics becomes VERY slow due to this, and character variety takes a massive hit.

Ultimately, I'm in about 60-70% agreement with Mycah, too. My major concern is in variety of play, not in how "cheap" some things are. It gets old seeing Terry, Iori, Ash, Kyo, Kusanagi, and K' in every damn match. I'd be every bit as pissed if every match involved Mai, Mary, and Hinako.

[snakedizzle209]

Not really a KOF player, but I like the point of this thread.

[Mycah Leonhart]

Ultimately, both sides have fairly valid points. Mycah, I don't think what you say deserves Negative Rep. Some of the tactics used are a tad ridiculous, mind you...but this is true of most fighting games. CvS2 has A-Groove Sakura; block her and get Guard Crushed PLUS take damage equal to an average super anyhow, plus it's largely safe to use. SF3 has Ken, Chun, and Yun. Tekken 5 had (past tense due to 5.1/DR) Steve. What 2003's "top tier tactic" is, I don't know just yet.

But these are clearly the most effective ways to win in various games. As a result, they are the most commonly used. It's a self-perpetuating cycle. Top Tactic wins, people emulate it, others do it right back just to stay competitive.

The end result is less variety in gameplay. THIS is what I object to most. Repetition of a certain tactic over and over is certainly annoying, but on about a good 85% of the characters in KoF 2003, you can do something about it. Tizoc's Active Tupon setups are best dealt with by just anti-air'ing him. His Justice Hurricane setups are easily rolled away from...and some can even be ducked. That's just an example, esp. since Tizoc is OBVIOUSLY NOT "top tier." Some tactics just seem either unstoppable, or extremely hard to stop. I'm currently researching what to do about typical K' patterns...they're damn annoying, but I'm not quite ready to say "unbeatable" to it, because I have some proof it's not.

Basically, I do understand the "Playing To Win" philosophy (and 60-70% agree with it; I just think Sirlin takes it to an extreme that I'm not in full support of). Mostly because embracing PTW to the fullest ultimately, contrary to the theory implied by the philosophy, results in scene stagnation. Development of new tactics becomes VERY slow due to this, and character variety takes a massive hit.

Ultimately, I'm in about 60-70% agreement with Mycah, too. My major concern is in variety of play, not in how "cheap" some things are. It gets old seeing Terry, Iori, Ash, Kyo, Kusanagi, and K' in every damn match. I'd be every bit as pissed if every match involved Mai, Mary, and Hinako.

I also agree with the varity issue, seeing Sagat, Blanka and Ryu/Cammy all the time in CvS2 was so very fuckin' boring.

That's why I used Vega/Kim/Kyo N Groove and actually PLACED in a few tournys. (always in the lower top 10)

If you want varitey you have to do it yourself and MAYBE it'll catch on, you can't force it on others, what pisses me off is I'm on the same side but don't bitch about it, show that you can do something about it.

[FSgamer]

I'll get over the cheap bs eventually, but people gotta mix it up. This isn't Evo. Throw the rankings and records out the window.
I agree with that.
As I always tell my friends: I play games to have fun, not to get stressed out.

[RyudoSengo]

You guys the speak the truth so you guys must be prophets or messengers or the great kof world. I fully agree with you gys cuz whenever i play online note im not that big of a kof player i just started but i have seen many of the kof anime series or animes i like some characters like terry, mai, kyo, and the art of fighting guys and every time i use ryo's special thats jus 15 hits or terry crack shoot and when i win the guys jus starts yelling that im cheap and shit. im glad this thread has started maybe now people will how to truly fight and now bitch or start threads about how some people supposedly cheated to win the round.

[snookaydcc]

mycah's first post was pretty weak because he says to learn ways to stop the cheapness and "step your game up." The reason a "cheap move" is used in the first place is because its hard to stop.

for instance. K's overhead punch (OP) thing. I've had a guy do the OP, i get knocked down, on wake up he does it again and i block low again, i wake up and block high so sweeps me. Basically he's doing a 50/50 chance move on me, god forbid i roll just to get thrown.

IF only 02 worked online and 03 had P groove lol. If i could parry half the stuff in this game wouldnt be hard to stop but these cheap ppl know u have to block certain stuff.

An Idea just hit me, why dont you guys stop bitching about how a win is a win and everyone else should stop bitching and "step YOUR game up" and learn other characters or moves.... I know everyone isnt creative and cant come up with their own elaborate combos but i dont think anyone is trying either. I just started playing several Kyo's this week that were the exact same by doing some combo and linking a juggle into a character change super move. They must of all been reading the same online strategy guide lol

someones going to say im bitchn but o well... im smart enough to just not rematch ppl who are dull in my eyes.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

mycah's first post was pretty weak because he says to learn ways to stop the cheapness and "step your game up." The reason a "cheap move" is used in the first place is because its hard to stop.

for instance. K's overhead punch (OP) thing. I've had a guy do the OP, i get knocked down, on wake up he does it again and i block low again, i wake up and block high so sweeps me. Basically he's doing a 50/50 chance move on me, god forbid i roll just to get thrown.

IF only 02 worked online and 03 had P groove lol. If i could parry half the stuff in this game wouldnt be hard to stop but these cheap ppl know u have to block certain stuff.

An Idea just hit me, why dont you guys stop bitching about how a win is a win and everyone else should stop bitching and "step YOUR game up" and learn other characters or moves.... I know everyone isnt creative and cant come up with their own elaborate combos but i dont think anyone is trying either. I just started playing several Kyo's this week that were the exact same by doing some combo and linking a juggle into a character change super move. They must of all been reading the same online strategy guide lol

someones going to say im bitchn but o well... im smart enough to just not rematch ppl who are dull in my eyes.

So let me get this right. You want people to stop doing what's good, and play badly so you can win? Sounds like bitching to me...

[silent shade]

Now I know this will earn me a few negs but what the hell.......

Stop bitching, yeah they are cheap and dare I say "Dishonorable" like the K' one inch bullshit (that I too am guilty of using) but seriously, get over it this if any of you have been to a tourny a SERIOUS tourny this kind of shit is all you see, everything goes I'm sorry to tell you this but it's true.

I used to be the same way back in 2001 but then I signed up here and started becoming a regular in the Midwest CvS2 scene, cheap shit is the name of the game, it's not like this shit is unavoidable just step your game up and learn what can be done or how to either do 1 of the following.......

A.) When it's coming and how to defend against it.
or
B.) How to NOT put yourself in that perdicament in the first place.

This is how it is in the Tourny Scene, stop giving SNK players a bad rep, this is why they think of as nothing but a bunch of scrubs, quit bitching about it and step your game up - tell others what you've seen out there in the field and think of ways to avoid it or not even be caught up in it - That is all.

preach brother preach :clap:

[Captain Ryu]

The reason a "cheap move" is used in the first place is because its hard to stop.



Which meens you have to step your game up to stop it or keep it from happening...

Oh and since when was being creative part of being good in fighting games? Wtf are you trying to prove?

I got my ass kicked by some of the people that actually know the game. I didnt know how to avoid the shit they were doing at the time but figured it out later, then they busted out new shit on me. Now I have to figure out a way passed that shit. Wtf do you think your going to do to any other characters/tactics if you cant get passed the "cheap" shit they're doing to you now?

[Mycah Leonhart]

mycah's first post was pretty weak because he says to learn ways to stop the cheapness and "step your game up."
My post was weak?, I didn't think so.......other people didn't think so either what's wrong with making yourself better?

The reason a "cheap move" is used in the first place is because its hard to stop.
Soooooooo do what most other folks do, learn a way around it? (see below)

for instance. K's overhead punch (OP) thing. I've had a guy do the OP, i get knocked down, on wake up he does it again and i block low again, i wake up and block high so sweeps me. Basically he's doing a 50/50 chance move on me, god forbid i roll just to get thrown.
O.K. here do this.......

A.) If you're out in the open.......Roll Backwards
or
B.) If you're in the corner jump straight up and toss out something or if his timing is dead on try to wake up super or guess correctly, if blocked that punch does have some recovery time on it just punish it.

Just take the time to think about shit, don't let them get to you.

IF only 02 worked online and 03 had P groove lol. If i could parry half the stuff in this game wouldnt be hard to stop but these cheap ppl know u have to block certain stuff.
In a perfect world 02 would work online as well as 03, as for 03 having P-Groove.......then folks would bitch about people parrying shit.

An Idea just hit me, why dont you guys stop bitching about how a win is a win and everyone else should stop bitching and "step YOUR game up" and learn other characters or moves.... I know everyone isnt creative and cant come up with their own elaborate combos but i dont think anyone is trying either. I just started playing several Kyo's this week that were the exact same by doing some combo and linking a juggle into a character change super move. They must of all been reading the same online strategy guide lol
Some folks would rather win more then anything, what I'm trying to promote is this ideal, "Stop bitching and do something about it - cheap players will always be around" also as for the "learn other people" thing like I said before it's up to YOU to do that, not other people you can't force folks to do things and also why should "we" step "our" game up?, "we're" the ones winning remember?


someones going to say im bitchn but o well... im smart enough to just not rematch ppl who are dull in my eyes.

You're not bitching at all.

[GuileMike]

if you say your so cheap, that basically means u suck, next time find a way around it

fuckin scrubs

[loffter]

it seems that the way around K's bullshit is to tech roll, like in 3rd strike. anyone know how to do it on 03? i know it can be done because ive seen it done.

[Mycah Leonhart]

it seems that the way around K's bullshit is to tech roll, like in 3rd strike. anyone know how to do it on 03? i know it can be done because ive seen it done.

You have to Block to Tech Roll, in order to block you need to guess right on the 50/50 mixup that is where some folks are having problems.

[Cybuster]

Tech-rolls out of knockdown are done the same way a standard roll and a recovery roll are; A+B plus a direction (defaults to forward if your stick is in neutral position). Can only do it during blockstun, costs one level of super meter.

KoF 2003's problem is that only a few characters have actual wakeup options. Most people MUST block on wakeup, because they can't do much else, thus forcing the 50-50 guessing game; it's even nastier when someone like Jhun does it. I'd say it's nasty when Whip does it too, but...the high-low wakeup guessing is all she has, really. Heh.

[Mycah Leonhart]

I'd say it's nasty when Whip does it too, but...the high-low wakeup guessing is all she has, really. Heh.

*smirks* Heh we'll see, PM me your messenger screennames man, I'm bored at work with a KoF Craving lol

I need to invest in a Magic Box for the X-Box, I'd rather have a DC pad, fuck an X-Box pad.

[loffter]

i take back what i said. i wouldnt complain about cheap shit if people could do ANYTHING ELSE. fucking daimon rat rat rat. the only time they DONT fucking rat with him is when they do a team change into his TL super. comeplte fucking bullshit, they need to damage scale that. oh, right, they roll into that as well. if people would get some fucking skill it would be one thing, but they are all copying eachother. any people out there who know ANYTHING besides:

Terry's B&B
people who suck ass with Kim except for landing his double super randomly
Rats. no just roll through a projectile and throw, im talking ratting like Geif.
use duolon



i mean seriously, this game is a great change from capcom games, but its getting BOREING to play online because i see the same fucking shit OVEr and OVER and OVER and these people think they got mad skills because they are ranked in the top 10 and can use 3 charecters.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

any people out there who know ANYTHING besides:

Terry's B&B
people who suck ass with Kim except for landing his double super randomly
Rats. no just roll through a projectile and throw, im talking ratting like Geif.
use duolon



i mean seriously, this game is a great change from capcom games, but its getting BOREING to play online because i see the same fucking shit OVEr and OVER and OVER and these people think they got mad skills because they are ranked in the top 10 and can use 3 charecters.

Hit me up one day then. I don't use the ordinary...well maybe Ash, but the rest of my team is Shingo and King. Be afraid...I have a 12% win ratio :wow:

[Cybuster]

Whoa, Tolgata. Who are you playing against, that Terry's a common choice? He's only semi-common when I play most people. Everyone else is too busy using K' and Ash and running away like a damn sissy the entire time. Worked for a while (fair enough tactic; enjoy your wins, earned 'em, I guess)...

...But people are still doing nothing but that. I swear, I seem to be the only person in the world who uses Gato. It's funny, on the occasions I get his mindgame going...most of the K'/Ash/Iori lamers can't figure out what the HELL to do.

I guess if it wins, it wins...but it's not winning as much as it used to, and it's getting damn boring to see it keep going. The game's been out a couple weeks now; everyone's Shotolamer grace-period is OVER.

[loffter]

Whoa, Tolgata. Who are you playing against, that Terry's a common choice? He's only semi-common when I play most people. Everyone else is too busy using K' and Ash and running away like a damn sissy the entire time. Worked for a while (fair enough tactic; enjoy your wins, earned 'em, I guess)...

...But people are still doing nothing but that. I swear, I seem to be the only person in the world who uses Gato. It's funny, on the occasions I get his mindgame going...most of the K'/Ash/Iori lamers can't figure out what the HELL to do.

I guess if it wins, it wins...but it's not winning as much as it used to, and it's getting damn boring to see it keep going. The game's been out a couple weeks now; everyone's Shotolamer grace-period is OVER.




hell yes it is. the biggest thing about terry that pisses me off is his damn trip. its fast, it hurts, it knocks down, and its has STUPID range. i swear to god im blocking high cause i think its safe and he pulls a dahlsim. ugh. people in the higher ranks use him. Terry, Duolon, and Daimon. sometimes K in there somewhere.

[Saotome Kaneda]

Terry's sweep is poor. But then again, if K' One Inch BS is ruling online right now, I can kinda understand why you guys have problems.


And people ask why I have problems with online...:confused:

[danomyte]

yes dont pick ash or k! lets all pick grapplers & don lou so we can live happily ever after! :lame:

[Random123456789]

You know, in every fighting game, there will always be that perfect character that can take on everyone. And KOF03 has a couple of them. People care about their ranks, and that's it. A lot of people I play, don't really care how they get the win, as long as they get it. So honestly, why would you complain about something that you cannot avoid?

There is this commerical, and I always think it's funny and true to some extent:
"Life isn't perfect, that's why there's Walgreens."

:tup:

And remember, it's just a game. It's not the end of the world if you lose to a top player. Or someone that is in your definition a "cheap" player. Just play, and quit complaining :karate:

[Rico!]

why is everyone complaining about ash? He's not cheesy at all (at least the way I play him) compared to the top 3(duo/k'/goro).

[Spooty Whiteboy]

why is everyone complaining about ash? He's not cheesy at all...

Idk...my Ash is pretty cheesy. Well, at least 'till you figure out his "gimmick." But 'till then, he provides a pretty good psuedo-lockdown.

[Mycah Leonhart]

Cybuster: There are a LOT of Gatos out now, and Mindgames are the rule.

I need to get a Magic Box/DC pad going soon, I can't rely on the same MixUps forever you and xXKoleXx have figured them out (cause I play you 2 THE most)

[Circular]

But then again, if K' One Inch BS is ruling online right now, I can kinda understand why you guys have problems.


And people ask why I have problems with online...:confused:

The connection is fast enough in non-peak periods that it's possible to make the block high/block low choice on reaction. I think the problem was that in the first week or so, a lot of people didn't know the One Inch was an overhead; as people have figured out what's going on and have gotten used to it, the mixup has become much less effective. I saw a lot of One Inch/sweep tricks last week, but not so much anymore.

[snookaydcc]

So let me get this right. You want people to stop doing what's good, and play badly so you can win? Sounds like bitching to me...


I actually can care less about gettng the actual win. A win is good but fun gameplay inbetween is better. I simply would like to see 5 different K's play 5 different ways.

If fighting games arnt made so you can be creative why do you guys get so happy off those jap videos where the guys do some off the wall shit u never thought of?

Nobody would complain about parrying mycah.

[hanz0]

welcome to 2003 guys:rofl: its been 2 years since the game was released in arcades, but then again i dont blame you guys, kof doesnt get any love in USA thats why most of the people seem to be new to all these tactics and moves:nunchuck:

[Murt!]

Mycah speaks the mother fucking truth. I'm tired of all the bitching you guys do. I'm not a part of the tourney scene, but I know that you do what you have to do to win. "Cheap" is a word for the losers...I've never seen a guy, who just won, say "zOMG! He's such a cheap, cheating bastard!"

At least here's not as bad as GameFAQs...

@ GameFaqs all you see is... "OMG!!! all ______ does is parry my attacks and counter my air fireballs! Now where is Shin Takuma?!? I want my Akuma belt back!!!:rolleyes: :lame:

[loffter]

Mycah speaks the mother fucking truth. I'm tired of all the bitching you guys do. I'm not a part of the tourney scene, but I know that you do what you have to do to win. "Cheap" is a word for the losers...I've never seen a guy, who just won, say "zOMG! He's such a cheap, cheating bastard!"

At least here's not as bad as GameFAQs...




for the record, i do that all the time.


"zOMG this guy is fucking ratting non-stop! oh fucking great, here comes duolon. yes yes combo combo reset combo combo reset O_o didnt see that super comin did ya huh? oh cant handle the pressure, you only practiced the cheapness in training mode when you were looking at gamefaqs eh? EH!?!?! getting rushed, dont know duos counter moves EH!?!?"

*wins match*

"damn cheaters, i swear to go they ruin the damn game"

*rematches*

".....why did i hit rematch?"



============= The End =================

[danomyte]

At least here's not as bad as GameFAQs...
I dunno know I think this forum may have passed GF.

First off we have ppl patting eachother on the the back for dropping on Duo? Why is it ok? In the other online forums CvS2 dropping on blanka=you being a scrub,TS dropping on Ken=you being a scrub,GGXXR dropping on Eddie=you being a scrub. So why not in KOF live forum?:confused:

Then we have crybabies,"wah wah wah I cant stop fireball traps with shotos(runaway) but I also bitch about ratting with grapplers(closeup)." Make up your fucking mind! If they cant run and cant fight up close then what do you want them to do? Roll over and hand you the win?:rolleyes:

Then somebody had a hissyfit over taunting?:lame: Im glad I took a break from this game(scrub city).

[Spooty Whiteboy]

I dunno know I think this forum may have passed GF.

First off we have ppl patting eachother on the the back for dropping on Duo? Why is it ok? In the other online forums CvS2 dropping on blanka=you being a scrub,TS dropping on Ken=you being a scrub,GGXXR dropping on Eddie=you being a scrub. So why not in KOF live forum?:confused:

Then we have crybabies,"wah wah wah I cant stop fireball traps with shotos(runaway) but I also bitch about ratting with grapplers(closeup)." Make up your fucking mind! If they cant run and cant fight up close then what do you want them to do? Roll over and hand you the win?:rolleyes:

Then somebody had a hissyfit over taunting?:lame: Im glad I took a break from this game(scrub city).

The difference between dropping on Blanka/Ken/Eddie and dropping on Duo...is the same as the difference between dropping on Blanka/Ken/Eddie and dropping on Gill/Kliff/Justice. Yes, those other characters are top tier...but Duo is past top tier. A well played Duo has to be fought with another Duo (which is a boring ass fight btw). Personally, I don't drop on Duo...but I don't enjoy playing against him either.

Also, I'm the one who "had a hissyfit over taunting." That shit pisses me off. It doesn't bother me if someone is better than me...that's bound to happen; but it does bother me when someone feels the need to taunt just to further prove his superiority. That's like a rich man flaunting his money in front of a poor man. But fuck, if I'm playing someone that's beside me...I'm not going to get upset if they taunt; I consider it a friendly/joking gesture. But when it's some fucker hiding being a gamertag...it just pisses me off.

[Koll]

I thought we were over the taunting thing. If people are going ot keep getting pissed about it then I will just spam it in every match so everyone gets the same feeling, even if I am loosing.


But I kind of agree with Rex on his rant, fireballs and grapplers are EASILY, and I highly mean easily, punishable in this game, if you can't figure it out then yeah, it is kinda sad. For Ash, there is plenty of ways to punish his fireball spam because A: HIS GAME IS IN HIS POKES NOT HIS FIRE BALLS >.> thats why is is like "Wtf, you got locked down by Ash fireballs how? If you have someone like King, just use Double Venom, majority of chars have something to counter it, so don't cry over Ash's fireball. For ground fire ball whores, throw a fire ball to counter it or jump at them WITHOUT THE INTENT OF JUMPING IN CLOSE ENOUGH TO GET HIT BY THE FIREBALL, most likely they will do the anti air and miss if you jump short, thus you have the time to either combo them or throw them. For Terry, keep to the ground and jump when he has no super.

Grapplers....... if you have figure out that they just jump and either spam hard punch or kick which is easily punished by an anti air then yeah you desrved to get grabbed all day long. For Tizoc don't try to turtle on him, all he needs is a jump HP which has hitbox of god and good proity plus overhead, so just rush him........like any other any other grappler.

And now onto what everyone hates, Duo, sure I hate to fight him, but I will not drop on him for one fact, the air ownes Duo. I mean damn there is an anti Duo thread on every KOF forum there is, read them >.>.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

I thought we were over the taunting thing. If people are going ot keep getting pissed about it then I will just spam it in every match so everyone gets the same feeling, even if I am loosing.

And now onto what everyone hates, Duo, sure I hate to fight him, but I will not drop on him for one fact, the air ownes Duo. I mean damn there is an anti Duo thread on every KOF forum there is, read them >.>.

Yeah...the taunting thing is over and done with. I was just restating what the whole thing is about 'cause that guy said something about it.

And yeah...air>Duo. Especially Robert>Duo.

[GuileMike]

you are gey if you use the word cheap, find a way around it or don't play the game

[loffter]

you are gey if you use the word cheap, find a way around it or don't play the game




spoken like a true moron

[DaliPicard]

you are gey if you use the word cheap, find a way around it or don't play the game

:sad: play cvs2 sometime.

[Kasou]

0_o kof 2'03 is cheap. I wonder if you guys figured the 50/50 between grab and not grab on okizeme. I wonder if you also figured out k' unblockable. And i swear nothin' beats knocking someone down then doin' super low jump and then mix up between high attack, low attack and grab. And i also wondered if you found that anything can be ticked into a command throw easily. I.e clarks jumping a. Mix up between straight out throw and heavy C.

Finally there is iori and duolon, who are just insanely stupid. Knockdown to command grab to combo to LDM is the shit!

anyway i love beasting ppl in this game in the arcade. But i swear i hafta call this a dirty game. So do call out cheap, it is cheap.

[LBt1st]

I agree that (at least online) some characters to broken.

-Bean I

[loffter]

until someone figures out how to make the perfect fighting game, there are always going to be things to exploit. the trick is NOT EXPLOITING THEM.

[ArcadeFire]

People are saying that K' and Ash are cheap?! What about Iori whores just doing his 3 punch move on you all day!?

[SaffronsGhost]

I like how Leonhart bitches to "combat bitching".

What a queer. :tup:

[loffter]

cheap charecters list:

Duolon
Grapplers (sorry, this would not be true if they could not combo into throws, but.... yeah.)
iori (agreeing with the obove poster on this one.)

[Circular]

In my mind, the problem is that we've proven that banning the best characters just makes for new best characters. Duo Lon is soft banned, so lots of people pick Ash, Malin, and K' (I haven't seen many Daimons). All we've done is create a new top tier.

I don't think Iori qualifies as cheap. He's got good stuff, but it's all fairly punishable--including the Aoi Hana (the three punches). You have to work to win with Iori.

[ArcadeFire]

I don't think Iori qualifies as cheap. He's got good stuff, but it's all fairly punishable--including the Aoi Hana (the three punches). You have to work to win with Iori.

Mind explaining how? Most Iori whores I play jusy like to jump in to that move or low A or B you into it. Especially when you're in the corner.

[loffter]

Mind explaining how? Most Iori whores I play jusy like to jump in to that move or l A or B you into it. Especially when you're in the corner.



yeah, plus is standing B hits LOW. its damn near impossible to see comeing.

[Circular]

Mind explaining how? Most Iori whores I play jusy like to jump in to that move or low A or B you into it. Especially when you're in the corner.

Just checking--we're both talking about qcb + P x 3, right?

c.A hits mid, so it's not hard to block. Low B doesn't combo straight into the Aoi Hana--you have to do c.B, c.A -> Aoi Hana. That's possible, but I've yet to see anyone do it consistently (the c.B, c.A window is quite small). Jumping into it has all the risks associated with, well, jumping. Iori has good jumping moves, but they're beatable, or at the least it's possible to trade using something that knocks down so you can get away.

If the opponent just throws it out, each phase of the move has substantial recovery time. It's harder to punish if they stop after only one or two punches (especially if they're doing the A version), but there's still time to do something to get out. If they do the third punch there's enough recovery to do pretty much whatever you want.

The solution to s.B -> Aoi Hana is the same as the solution for c.B, c.A -> Aoi Hana--block low. It's hard not to get caught sometimes, but lots of characters have good options off of a low attack.

In my mind, Iori's close-in game is a lot like Kim's or Benimaru's. All are basically playing a low/throw mixup game, where you have to decide whether the opponent is going to try low move -> special or go for the throw. Iori's throw game is stronger because he's got the command throw that sets up tag -> super, but it's pretty much the same gameplan and it's beaten in pretty much the same way--protect yourself against the lows and watch for the opponent changing to the throw option. It's not easy, and Iori can really hurt you if you make a mistake, but so can a lot of characters.

[ArcadeFire]

Yeah, after two waves of cr. A cr.b they go straight into: Command Throw>A f+A>Deadly Flower.

[Circular]

Yeah, after two waves of cr. A cr.b they go straight into: Command Throw>A f+A>Deadly Flower.

It's definitely the command throw that's the real threat. I'm not sure what to do about it. However, I don't think that it makes Iori that much better than other characters who have high damage potential.

[SaffronsGhost]

Yeah, Kim seems crazy good in this game. Kim and King are too much for poor old me.

[Spooty Whiteboy]

Just checking--we're both talking about qcb + P x 3, right?

Low B doesn't combo straight into the Aoi Hana--you have to do c.B, c.A -> Aoi Hana.

He's talking about Iori's close, standing B. It hits low. And to combo it you just do c(B), F+A, A, qcb+A x3. No hard timing or anything. (The second qcb+A wiffs)

[Circular]

He's talking about Iori's close, standing B. It hits low. And to combo it you just do c(B), F+A, A, qcb+A x3. No hard timing or anything. (The second qcb+A wiffs)

Right, so long as the special in question is qcb + P x3.

[loffter]

iori really isnt that tough because he doesnt have any defenseive options except his DP. most of the good players ive played that use him dont use that until they get desprate. they would rather go the less risk direction of things and do a system counter attack. but once you get them to use that DP, and they whiff it, use your best combo and take them down, because its free.

[Mycah Leonhart]

This shit needed a MAJOR bump - too many little girls bitching.

[xX_Deus_Xx]

only read the first post, but wanted to post anyways...

http://www.sirlin.net

read the playing to win articles.

[SaffronsGhost]

I like how Leonhart bitches to "combat bitching".

What a queer. :tup:
c0-sign

[Laze_B]

you fooLs still dont understand kof 03 CHEEZE until you pLay
MIESINBERLIN Max gauge

[Spooty Whiteboy]

you fooLs still dont understand kof 03 CHEEZE until you pLay
MIESINBERLIN Max gauge

Who's stupid enough to play an opponent that has max gauge anyway?

[Rave]

iori really isnt that tough because he doesnt have any defenseive options except his DP. most of the good players ive played that use him dont use that until they get desprate. they would rather go the less risk direction of things and do a system counter attack. but once you get them to use that DP, and they whiff it, use your best combo and take them down, because its free.
What about his low C? That seems to be pretty good.
Edit: Yeah, that's really old. I'm sorry.

[Mr Bakaboy]

Just to throw in my two cents. Cheap bitches are everywhere. Saying get over it will not work here. Either play or don't play. Nobody is forcing you to play a person online. Personally I hear more bitches from people who play cheap and get cheaped out for their troubles then sit and whine about getting punked when it was what they deserved.

Ultimately your game shows a lot about yourself. If you need the cheapness to win, then you're not showing much. If you have to bitch here about cheapness, then you're not much either.

[Emil]

iori really isnt that tough because he doesnt have any defenseive options except his DP. most of the good players ive played that use him dont use that until they get desprate. they would rather go the less risk direction of things and do a system counter attack. but once you get them to use that DP, and they whiff it, use your best combo and take them down, because its free.

No defensive options? Try running forward with a close C...it will beat any attempt opponent does to hop in. Also, hopping straight up or back with D will stop most opponent air attacks. His far D poke is also quite good for defense.

[Koll]

Hmmm if I am correct, Emil you are Gstock08 if I am not mistaken......or am I?

[Mycah Leonhart]

If he is GStock I have this to say.......

YOU FUCKIN' CANUK BASTARD!!!!!!! - just wait till I get another one year card!!!!!!!

If he's not then don't worry about the above post :D

[Emil]

...what makes you think I am this Gstock person?

If you guys are pissed off at people complaining about cheese tactics, as I said, come play on mame...I can get you guys set up with the roms and such. The "cheese" tactics would still exist on mame but not many actually complain.

[Koll]

I think you are Gstock because 1. I am Koll the all knowing, 2. I put Gtock08 and the name for him is Gstock01, a person who truely isn't the akl;shlsa WHATEVER I COULD CARE LESS*goes to sleep*

[SaffronsGhost]

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