Tizoc 2003 Thread

[Cybuster]

Okay. I think all of us have tried the 'basic flavor' of Tizoc; jumping C into Justice Hurricane. Works well at first, falls apart the moment your opponent discovers the wonders of 'Anti-Airs.'

So, the idea behind this thread is to try and explore more practical uses of Tizoc. To see if we can elevate him some. I'll get started with something that helps him out up close:

Tizoc's down+AB (not a roll, despite the input, so long as you hit straight down; not diagonal down) has some degree of invincibility. The range on it is short, but it's fast, seems to be invulnerable, and does okay damage. Plus, it's funny as hell to see Tizoc peck people with the beak on his mask. Da!

[Mycah Leonhart]

Get them down somehow (sweep, etc.) then bring out the wakeup guessing games.

DP+P
HCB+P
HCBx2+P

[Captain Ryu]

Yeah I go for sweeps and mixup games a lot. I like to jab into hcb p a lot to :D

[Saotome Kaneda]

The thing about his jumpins is that he extends quite a bit horizontally. If you hop C/D a lot, try to do it so the tip of your limb hits them. That way, if they get smart, just empty jump XX Justice Hurricane that shit.

Also, dependant on the opponent, Griff is hard to jump in on because of jump straight up C, c.C, and Peck. Know and abuse this.

Your best block string after a jumpin is c.Ax3-4, c.D. Switch up c.D with Lariat, Dropkick and Peck as necessary.

And if they're walking towards you trying to poke high/mid, PECK THAT SHIT DOWN

[Captain Ryu]

The thing about his jumpins is that he extends quite a bit horizontally. If you hop C/D a lot, try to do it so the tip of your limb hits them. That way, if they get smart, just empty jump XX Justice Hurricane that shit.

Also, dependant on the opponent, Griff is hard to jump in on because of jump straight up C, c.C, and Peck. Know and abuse this.

Your best block string after a jumpin is c.Ax3-4, c.D. Switch up c.D with Lariat, Dropkick and Peck as necessary.

And if they're walking towards you trying to poke high/mid, PECK THAT SHIT DOWN

Oh shiz I have to peck more. I play him like gief soetimes lol. All the tick throws haha. His hop strong punch is hot fire too.

[Cybuster]

To comment on the use of Potato Wave (reverse DPM+P) as a wakeup game...it's worth noting it's only useful if they try to jump or do something else that'll meet you halfway. This move can be ducked easily, which is a bit of a problem.

Using crouching A to set up Justice Hurricanes though...hmm. Will try that later; could be similar to Alex's jab Powerbomb setups in SF3.

[Captain Ryu]

To comment on the use of Potato Wave (reverse DPM+P) as a wakeup game...it's worth noting it's only useful if they try to jump or do something else that'll meet you halfway. This move can be ducked easily, which is a bit of a problem.

Using crouching A to set up Justice Hurricanes though...hmm. Will try that later; could be similar to Alex's jab Powerbomb setups in SF3.

Yeah you can mix the jab into hcb p up with jab, sweep lol. Those are my scrub tactics to get knockdowns.

[Zojitzu]

:wow: oh... I thought he had 360s...lol... Sorry I dont take the time to look at the command list for most of the characters. WOW... speaking of bird fighting... I JUST saw the Falcons get into a fight with the Eagles... haha.. bird fights.

back on topic... yah, I need to start looking up that list in training mode.

[Cybuster]

Zojitzu: He had 360s and 720s in Garou. They got changed into HCBs and HCBx2s in 2003.

Me, I wish they'd Alex it. HCBs for the normal grabs, 360 for his Big Fall Griffon.

[red_plague]

Zojitzu: He had 360s and 720s in Garou. They got changed into HCBs and HCBx2s in 2003.

Me, I wish they'd Alex it. HCBs for the normal grabs, 360 for his Big Fall Griffon.


Me too.

[Cybuster]

Some other general observations:

Up close, standing C is worthless. Too slow. You can combo into HCB+P off it, but that's like landing a fierce Flash Chop with Alex in SF3: "Not gonna happen against anyone who doesn't suck."

Standing D is better, because he has a Close D too. Try these two out and see how it goes.

Crouching B, into jab HCB+P seems to work if you're point-blank. This is similar to Alex's jab powerbomb setup off of cr.Forward in SF3; land the hit, delay ever so slightly, do the grab. Harder to set up in KoF though.

[Saotome Kaneda]

Uses for s.C:


Random tag in(ground hit)(to Griff) s.C XX LDM Big Fall(or whatever you got dependant on meter)
Random tag in(ground hit)(to Griff) s.C XX rdp+A XX qcfx2+K

Every cancellable attack he has on the ground can combo into J.Hurricane. Remember that. You can also bootleg un-combo the C version off of his lights.

[danomyte]

snip


dear mr bird man,


plz make a marlin thread and post some stats!


kthxby! :pleased:

[Saotome Kaneda]

dear mr bird man,


plz make a marlin thread and post some stats!


kthxby! :pleased:
I dun play Malin. At least, not seriously. Learn to instant Air Drill, and just generally be annoying. You can go on autopilot and get free damage usually.

[Circular]

In my experience, most gameplay problems relating to Tizoc are a direct result of not pecking enough.

I thought I couldn't get in on Athena...Until I realized I could peck through her fireballs.

I thought I didn't have a good anti-air...Until I started pecking every time the opponent jumped.

Pecks are a lot like Makoto's c.MK in 3S: They're your "I don't have anything better to do, so I'll throw this out for some quick free damage" button.

[Saotome Kaneda]

In my experience, most gameplay problems relating to Tizoc are a direct result of not pecking enough.

I thought I couldn't get in on Athena...Until I realized I could peck through her fireballs.

I thought I didn't have a good anti-air...Until I started pecking every time the opponent jumped.

Pecks are a lot like Makoto's c.MK in 3S: They're your "I don't have anything better to do, so I'll throw this out for some quick free damage" button.
A man after my own heart. <3


Like I said back in 2003, PECK THAT SHIT DOWN

[Circular]

PECK THAT SHIT DOWN

I remember seeing that in your sig. I lost my headset, but I still yell that out on a regular basis. Mind if I use it in an avatar?

[Saotome Kaneda]

I remember seeing that in your sig. I lost my headset, but I still yell that out on a regular basis. Mind if I use it in an avatar?
No prob. Keep that shit alive. =D

[Jedah Dohma]

I don't do much with Tizoc, just:
Standing HP-->HCB+P
Standing HP-->B, D, DB+LP-->QCFx2+K
Standing HP-->HCBx2+P/2P

Yeah just like what you guys might do. BTW anyone got a good tag-into-Tizoc combo that I can finish with Standing HP-->LDM?

[Cybuster]

Ahahaha! Yes! Spamming pecks isn't infalliable, but it sure does work out fairly often. "Peck that shit down!" indeed.