Online tiers-offline tiers

[silent shade]

I was thinking(along with extensive boredem, That I would form an online tier list based off of that I see.

Online:
Makoto: In my belief of online play, I believe that Makoto is top tier. She command grab online is TOOOOO good. And the player can just jump around all day spamming j.mk tick in to grab. Its a pain in the ass. Not to mention because of lag it is really hard to get out of makoto's mix up game due to poor reaction time.

Necro: Second on my list because he is nothing short of spamming overheads and dive kicks. And getting away with it. Not to mention lagnetic storm. Its a pain in the ass to say the least.

Alex: STOMP STOMP STOMP!!!!! tick grabs and more stomps!!!

Elena: I HATE THIS BITCH!!! Online all you have to do is be random and you win with her because she takes no skill online to use. Low, overheads, random jumping you name it this bitch has it online.



Akuma: OMFG this guy online is damn near unbeatable if your Q. Im sorry Akuma. I personally, Love akuma but air hurricanes and rh hurricane kicks online are TOOO GOOOD. You cant punish them for shit when they are blocked unless but some super random super. Not to mention the spamming of air fireballs.

Urien: Urien is ok online. He isnt to great. Lag can affect his game alot. But for those who play urien who try to use lag, Youll see LOTS and lots of fireballs trying to land an AA hit so that they can juggle you. Aegis isnt really good in lag becasue it takes SOOOO much to set up, its hard enough offline. BUllshit tackles are nothing short of a random juggle or an aegis set up.


Ken: Everyones favorate shoto. Ken is good online for 2 reasons. jab shoryuken, and Cross up mk. cross up mk online is soo hard to get around(its possible but still hard.) In which thats all people online will try to do if they are ken.

Ryu: Capcom trademark: All you need to say with ryu is DENJIN!!! This move is SOOOOO hard to get out of online its RETARDED!!! Its so easy to lag abuse with this super. Lag friendly he is.

Hugo: Wow 360's and 720's galore. Its plain annoying and stupid. Not to mention cross up d hp. hugo online is the best lag tactic anyone could do to anyone.

Remy: Remy is good because he can spam Light of vitues online with pretty much little to fear. And CCB isnt any better online its hard to parry because of its akward hit timing.

Chun li: Though while really hard to hit confirm with chunli online, She has insane proirty only m aking her mid tier for online folks. She is still a threat because of confermation but the likley hood of hit confirming with chunli online are pretty slim.

Ibuki: online is really hard to deal with and hard to play with at the same time. making her mid. She jumps get really really annoying with the constant overheads. Jump dagger rinse and repeat it gets annoying. How ever for a person who actually plays Ibuki. Its really hard for them to play her well because shes about pressure and lag kinda henders her pressure alot. Ibuki is a momentum character, meaning its really hard to get that with her online.
Twelve: What the hell could be more annoying than this mother fucker flying across the screen in lag where you cant AA hit properly and Him constantly grabbing the shit out of you. oh wait, necro.

Dudley: Honestly I have to say there Isnt really way to abuse lag with dudley. It comes down to pure skill. Well and some random attacks

Yang: Online he isnt to hard to beat. Constant dive kicks is a pain in the ass to fight against. You cant react to well online against yang's dive kicks. Other than that. there is no real threat to fighting yang online.

Yun: same with yang about the dive kicks. Its really really hard to use sa3 yun online effectively. this is why he is low here.

Oro: He is REALLY REALLY hard to play online. Tengu juggles you may as well cal it a genei jin becasue using it online is almost impossible in lag. not to mention chicken combos. Yet Oro can double jump which makes him kind of a threat due to random jump attacks. Other than that, Oro isnt exactly the best person to use in lag.

Q: Wow Q in lag.... He already doesnt have to manythings going for him and lag just makes it worse for out jason lookalike. He has his claw in which online really isnt a threat. Online q can be pressured really easily. It isnt a good thing to fight with q online.

Sean: well what can I say.... Hes sean :sad: He gets free grabs with his shitty ass hurricane kick. he has His overheads which can get annoying but still isnt enough to make him that good online. Thus.... Sean still sucks :rolleyes:
Ill update as more things come DISCUSS!!!

[JEDYZON]

No Yun?

[LakeEarth]

Anyone with an cross-up automatically gets bonus points online. How many time have you been cross-uped, and you KNOW you switched block in time, just to eat it?

[XEN MASTER MARK]

Hugo's crouching MK, crouching HK mix up abuse is brutal in lagged games. If they score a knock down and get close, even random scrubs can eat a quarter of your life. It takes no skill and most online Hugos resort to this at some point :(

[ParryAll]

No Yun?

Yun is very weak online. Genei Jin combos more difficult, although his dive kicks remain a force.

Silent, your list is pretty dead on.

Makoto and Necro are def. god tier in lag. I would replace Elena w/ Akuma and Urien in the online top tier.

Elena's overheads can be annoying to deal with, but Akuma's hurricane kick becomes unpunishable, esp. if the player knows how to abuse lag and buffer another hurricane kick way early after a blocked one. The only way to break it would be to buffer your parry way early. Plus, he can retaliate even after blocked Supers! It's a fucking joke.

Urien's shoulder tackle becomes a real bitch to deal with. Offline, this move is used in combos and not much else, online it can be spammed pretty effectively, it goes from super easy to parry (offline) to very difficult. Q is guilty of this too, but Q's lack of speed really, really becomes that much worse in an online connection. At least Urien retains his for the most part.

[Projectjustice]

I hate Akuma, AKUMA AKUMA!!!!!!! With lag, his air fireball is almost impossible to get around. These scrubs online get on with AKuma and spam that shit all day long and lets not forget Akuma super duper Air Hurrican kick! Jesus it annoys the hell out of me!

[FSgamer]

How about Chun Li?

[silent shade]

How about Chun Li?

Online chunli isnt as effective as she would be offline. for lag abusers she isnt the best choice becasue confirming online is hard enough as is. and besides. her overheads are way to slow and are easy to react to on and offline.

[Ciddypoo]

I think that Urien should be higher. Random tackles are complete and utter bullshit. The threat of lag makes me *not* try to parry those random tackles, but that also means that if they super cancel a Reflector off of the tackle, I can't do anything except keep blocking and get pushed farther into the corner.

Also, about 3/4 of the 'decent' Uriens (I use that term very loosely) will pop a Reflector -> Headbutt crossup unblockable after almost every knockdown, and with some attacks (Headbutt, meaty knee stomp, 1-hit neutral throw), quick getup is really hard to time in the lag, so you eat the unblockable, and probably another unblockable setup afterwards.

Charge partitioning might be a little harder in lag, but with bullshit like that going on, I think it about evens out.

Chun isn't totally neutered, but she's probably solid middle when it comes to online. You can't hitconfirm c.MK xx SA2, which is like... 50% of her game. The other 50% is still good, though. Good normals, c.LP (mash against lag Makotos spamming karakusa) and great kara (harder to tech in lag, 'specially since you usually have to guess when she's at the right distance to do it).

Necro is a fucking nightmare. 100% bullshit match.

[Shim Sang Joon]

Ibuki?

[ParryAll]

Ibuki?

Ibuki's mixups are all combo based. I guess theoretically, you could really bog someone down because alot of her moves leave her w/ frame advantage, but realistically, she doesn't have much that can be "enhanced" by lag.

Her SAI will chip kill you offline and on, it doesn't discriminate.

[silent shade]

List updated.

[Captain Ryu]

Almost all characters can be good in lag. I think playstlyes are what really makes lag shine.

Btw yun and yangs dive kicks are fucking insane online.

[Arcas V]

good shit yo...u got that list down :tup: :tup:

but not only is dudley hard to abuse lag with, hes hard to play in lag with. juggles are mad hard to do just like oro

[Ki Shima]

great list, except for sum weird reason i like facing necro players, well good ones anyway lol like that girl (atleast i think its a girl??) the xbox tag (which i cant remember) was feminin from what i can remember, shes was fucking great using necro she had her own play style plus later on she started using remy with the same amount of imagination making it really fun to play against him/her, she was quite high up in the rankings last time i played him/her

but if it aint a she then soz LOL i think he/she was from france

i think the fact that the game is laggy !now! you cant exactly get a clear say on who is better than who, i wanna come back online but shit man if its as bad as you say then you can near enough say "whats the point?"

[Anticon27]

Yun: same with yang about the dive kicks. Its really really hard to use sa3 yun online effectively. this is why he is low here.

With the Exception of me :tup:

[silent shade]

With the Exception of me :tup:

I'll give you that... :tup:

[Cybuster]

Q DOES have one recourse against Akuma online. Of course, I'm loathe to say what it is, lest Akuma players learn it and shut that down too, but...it's not totally hopeless. Just mostly so.

[Big War]

I think Dudley is a little stronger online than people are giving him credit for. Combos are had in lag but getting out of a good mixup is harder. He has alot of nice tools. QUick 2 hit overhead combo on wakeup for people who always block lwo to avoid sweep combos. Cr short x2 XX super. UOH SA1. HK XX ex mgb. And lag rose. Not to mention, offline mgbs are easily parried, but in lag random mgbs can not online be tough to parry, but tough to punish...(see ken's lp dp followed by another one in lag). Not saying he is top tier up there with Makoto, who is truly god-tier online, and Necro, Urien, Akuma. But i think in lag he is effective.

[KneelB4Me]

Not a bad list, I enjoyed reading your individual character rants :clap:

I personally would have put Yun Yang and Alex a little higher. A semi decent Alex playing using SA3 was always really tough for me to beat on XBL. Then the twins dive kicks, which can cause real trouble if theyre abused. Still, I think there could possibly be even more angles to debate for an online tier list than offline. It would take the worlds greatest lag abuser (with everybody acknowledging this person) to write such a thing! Ryuwhateveryourcalled, you up to the job?

[Ki Shima]

if you can use dudley REALLY well i think u can have no problems against anyone, after using him for so long fighting akuma players was just funny, plus he has so many ways to juggle he owns the sky and the ground, i dont like people who use sa1 tho its so easy to use its like kens sa3 but stronger cos he has alot of possiblities of connecting it fully, way too simple

i think people dont igknowledge this because he's hard to truelly get use to, it takes dedication

[ROCKMAN]

Not a bad list, I enjoyed reading your individual character rants :clap:
Ryuwhateveryourcalled, you up to the job?I wonder who's that guy??...... :rolleyes:

[silent shade]

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