The light tatsu > sweep list

Gamogo

A few people have been asking this question despite the sweep possibility on various characters being defined in the match-up thread. Here is the complete list on whom it is and isn't possible on.

Possible against:

Akuma
Adon
Balrog
Chun Li
Cammy
C. Viper
Cody
Dan
Dhalsim
Dee Jay
El Fuerte
E. Honda
Fei Long
Gouken
Guile
Guy
Hakan
Oni
Rose
Sagat
Sakura
Seth
T. Hawk
Vega
Zangief

Not possible against:

Abel*
Blanka
Dudley
Evil Ryu
Gen
Ibuki
Juri
Ken
M. Bison
Makoto
Rufus
Ryu
Yun
Yang

How is this performed? After a light kick tatsu, p-link c.hk~mk after Akuma bounces back to the ground after connecting the tatsu. There is a slight difference in leniency between various characters - Fuerte for example can be tricky to connect this with whereas the window against Balrog is actually quite large. This is likely due to a combination of hitbox sizes and the speed at which characters fall to the ground after the tatsu.

Leniency can also changed if the opponent is pushed quite far back if the lead-in combo to connect the tatsu is lengthy. Practising this will help develop a familiarity as to when it is possible to reliably connect.

* A special case exists for Abel. Focus crumple level 2 > c.mp, c.mp, c.mp xx lk tatsu > c.hk.

metallicaband

Thanks for the thread, I think it would be more complete if it mentioned how fast each character should be swept (just to give players a better idea about the timing), for example this is how I feel the timing is from my experience (will rate from a scale of 1 to 5, sweep comes out fastest @ 1 and slowest @ 5):

Balrog: 4
Sagat: 2
Fuerte: 1
Cammy: 3
Dhalsim: 5
Cody: 2
..etc

I could be wrong though since I only started sweeping after tatsu recently.


As for plinking, I use cr.hk~mk myself too, but from the videos I've seen of Japanese pros playing SSFIV with the inputs on, they seem to do cr.hk~mk+lk or cr.hk+mk ~ lk, anyone has any idea if this is more effective? here's a video of someone saying that it's called double plinking and it's more effective:



There's another thing that he mentions as true double plinking, but it seems way too hard for me to execute at the moment!

C2Q

i think against harder characters to sweep like fuerte, it would be best to not sweep at all but end in a dp or a reset or whatever you want to do. That is if you dont have the timing down 100%, it could just be free damage wasted.

ClxJames

Tokido says you cannot Tatsu > Sweep the Twins

LoyalSol

ClxJames, post: 4377028 wrote:

Tokido says you cannot Tatsu > Sweep the Twins

Figures.

theboss

ClxJames, post: 4377028 wrote:

Tokido says you cannot Tatsu > Sweep the Twins

That´s probably the one thing that protects them from being raped by Akuma´s vortex. Do they have solid anti-airs?

metallicaband

theboss, post: 4377030 wrote:

That´s probably the one thing that protects them from being raped by Akuma´s vortex. Do they have solid anti-airs?

It's been said that their DPs are safejumpable so that's good if they don't have other good escape options, I've posted a link in the matchup thread to a post from the Abel forums that gives a good idea about the twins.

http://shoryuken.com/f249/ssf4-akuma-match-up-thread-236487/index45.html#post9985014

GoshtiN

p-link c.hk~mk

sorry I dont understand this. does it mean C.HK then standing medium kick?
at the same time? in quick succession?

metallicaband

GoshtiN, post: 4377032 wrote:

sorry I dont understand this. does it mean C.HK then standing medium kick?
at the same time? in quick succession?

It's like pressing both of the buttons at the same time while in crouching position, but you'll be pressing the HK like a millisecond faster than the MK, if you plinked it properly, the inputs will display it like this:

MK+HK
HK

the_judge

Apparently Abel can be sweeped after light tatsu. Issue is, you have to be at a very specific range and use cr.Forward xx light tatsu. It's very technical and rare. Probably not worth the work it takes to get the range perfect.
Will do a video upon request.

West

the_judge, post: 4377034 wrote:

Apparently Abel can be sweeped after light tatsu. Issue is, you have to be at a very specific range and use cr.Forward xx light tatsu. It's very technical and rare. Probably not worth the work it takes to get the range perfect.
Will do a video upon request.

please do <3

the_judge

West, post: 4377035 wrote:

please do <3

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If I can come up with some more AV cables I'll reupload it using my dazzle.

LoyalSol

the_judge, post: 4377036 wrote:

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If I can come up with some more AV cables I'll reupload it using my dazzle.

Haha I have to say I love Akuma. Find something new every day.

I am curious what makes it so it works at a tip range

theboss

the_judge, post: 4377036 wrote:

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If I can come up with some more AV cables I'll reupload it using my dazzle.

Very nice find, man. Someone should bring this up to SRK´s first page.

I wonder if there are similar setups for other non-sweepable characters.

ShinAkuma204

That makes me think that all characters may be sweepable after the tatsu with the correct setup.

GoshtiN

metallicaband, post: 4377033 wrote:

It's like pressing both of the buttons at the same time while in crouching position, but you'll be pressing the HK like a millisecond faster than the MK, if you plinked it properly, the inputs will display it like this:

MK+HK
HK

and this makes a sweep after tatsu work? I gotta try this. thanks

Nu-Skoool

I am assuming the tatsu is meaty, letting akuma reach the ground faster than he normally would. Thats the obvious answer or it's just because this is Super Street Fighter 4.

asiantom

the_judge, post: 4377036 wrote:

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If I can come up with some more AV cables I'll reupload it using my dazzle.

so rad

the_judge

theboss, post: 4377038 wrote:

Very nice find, man. Someone should bring this up to SRK´s first page.

I wonder if there are similar setups for other non-sweepable characters.

before you do, lemme reupload it. I am attempting to record it with my dazzle now.

UPDATE: I guess I have no way of getting drivers for my dazzle for Windows 7. So I can not record it.

Sizar_92

Nu-Skoool, post: 4377043 wrote:

I am assuming the tatsu is meaty, letting akuma reach the ground faster than he normally would. Thats the obvious answer or it's just because this is Super Street Fighter 4.

This was the first thing that crossed my mind.

LoyalSol

Nu-Skoool, post: 4377043 wrote:

I am assuming the tatsu is meaty, letting akuma reach the ground faster than he normally would. Thats the obvious answer or it's just because this is Super Street Fighter 4.

Couple different explanations could be reasonable. Though meaty is also perfectly reasonable. It could have something to do with strange hit boxes in the same way that causes s.HP >Fireball >Sweep to work on Chun.

Ghost-_-Writer

Some of those characters that are listed as not sweepable actually can be sweeped, but only after a cross-up tatsu. I haven't tried with everyone, but Ryu for example can be sweeped after a cross-up tatsu relatively easily.

I think it works with Abel too, but I can't remember.

metallicaband

Ghost-_-Writer, post: 4377048 wrote:

Some of those characters that are listed as not sweepable actually can be sweeped, but only after a cross-up tatsu. I haven't tried with everyone, but Ryu for example can be sweeped after a cross-up tatsu relatively easily.

I think it works with Abel too, but I can't remember.

x-up tatsu > sweep works on everyone, it's the ground lk.tatsu > sweep that's character specific.

the_judge

Okay, apparently I can't get my dazzle working so that is the highest quality video I can put out of that setup. You have full permission if you wanna put up a direct capture video displaying the combo.

I also found another setup against Abel. You land a lvl 2 or 3 focus and instead use cr.Strongx3 xx light tatus, sweep. This one is somewhat fishy because if the focus was done point blank, the sweep might fail after the tatsu.
Plz note that if the focus lands counter hit, you need to take a tiny step forward before you start the combo.

Personally, I think these setups are pretty impractical.