The light tatsu > sweep list

GamogoGamogo Common sense isn't.Joined: Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭
A few people have been asking this question despite the sweep possibility on various characters being defined in the match-up thread. Here is the complete list on whom it is and isn't possible on.

Possible against:

Akuma
Adon
Balrog
Chun Li
Cammy
C. Viper
Cody
Dan
Dhalsim
Dee Jay
El Fuerte
E. Honda
Fei Long
Gouken
Guile
Guy
Hakan
Oni
Rose
Sagat
Sakura
Seth
T. Hawk
Vega
Zangief

Not possible against:

Abel*
Blanka
Dudley
Evil Ryu
Gen
Ibuki
Juri
Ken
M. Bison
Makoto
Rufus
Ryu
Yun
Yang

How is this performed? After a light kick tatsu, p-link c.hk~mk after Akuma bounces back to the ground after connecting the tatsu. There is a slight difference in leniency between various characters - Fuerte for example can be tricky to connect this with whereas the window against Balrog is actually quite large. This is likely due to a combination of hitbox sizes and the speed at which characters fall to the ground after the tatsu.

Leniency can also changed if the opponent is pushed quite far back if the lead-in combo to connect the tatsu is lengthy. Practising this will help develop a familiarity as to when it is possible to reliably connect.

* A special case exists for Abel. Focus crumple level 2 > c.mp, c.mp, c.mp xx lk tatsu > c.hk.
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  • metallicabandmetallicaband DP & A TELEPORT ?!! Joined: Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the thread, I think it would be more complete if it mentioned how fast each character should be swept (just to give players a better idea about the timing), for example this is how I feel the timing is from my experience (will rate from a scale of 1 to 5, sweep comes out fastest @ 1 and slowest @ 5):

    Balrog: 4
    Sagat: 2
    Fuerte: 1
    Cammy: 3
    Dhalsim: 5
    Cody: 2
    ..etc

    I could be wrong though since I only started sweeping after tatsu recently.


    As for plinking, I use cr.hk~mk myself too, but from the videos I've seen of Japanese pros playing SSFIV with the inputs on, they seem to do cr.hk~mk+lk or cr.hk+mk ~ lk, anyone has any idea if this is more effective? here's a video of someone saying that it's called double plinking and it's more effective:



    There's another thing that he mentions as true double plinking, but it seems way too hard for me to execute at the moment!
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  • C2QC2Q Joined: Posts: 1,156
    i think against harder characters to sweep like fuerte, it would be best to not sweep at all but end in a dp or a reset or whatever you want to do. That is if you dont have the timing down 100%, it could just be free damage wasted.
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  • ClxJamesClxJames Still learning... Joined: Posts: 2,404
    Tokido says you cannot Tatsu > Sweep the Twins
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  • LoyalSolLoyalSol Baton Rouge, Lousiana Joined: Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭✭
    Tokido says you cannot Tatsu > Sweep the Twins

    Figures.
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  • thebosstheboss Joined: Posts: 524
    Tokido says you cannot Tatsu > Sweep the Twins
    That´s probably the one thing that protects them from being raped by Akuma´s vortex. Do they have solid anti-airs?
  • metallicabandmetallicaband DP & A TELEPORT ?!! Joined: Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭✭
    That´s probably the one thing that protects them from being raped by Akuma´s vortex. Do they have solid anti-airs?

    It's been said that their DPs are safejumpable so that's good if they don't have other good escape options, I've posted a link in the matchup thread to a post from the Abel forums that gives a good idea about the twins.

    http://shoryuken.com/f249/ssf4-akuma-match-up-thread-236487/index45.html#post9985014
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  • GoshtiNGoshtiN Joined: Posts: 256
    p-link c.hk~mk

    sorry I dont understand this. does it mean C.HK then standing medium kick?
    at the same time? in quick succession?
  • metallicabandmetallicaband DP & A TELEPORT ?!! Joined: Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭✭
    sorry I dont understand this. does it mean C.HK then standing medium kick?
    at the same time? in quick succession?

    It's like pressing both of the buttons at the same time while in crouching position, but you'll be pressing the HK like a millisecond faster than the MK, if you plinked it properly, the inputs will display it like this:

    MK+HK
    HK
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  • the_judgethe_judge Can you feel the love tonight? Joined: Posts: 1,769
    Apparently Abel can be sweeped after light tatsu. Issue is, you have to be at a very specific range and use cr.Forward xx light tatsu. It's very technical and rare. Probably not worth the work it takes to get the range perfect.
    Will do a video upon request.
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  • WestWest westernets Joined: Posts: 926 mod
    Apparently Abel can be sweeped after light tatsu. Issue is, you have to be at a very specific range and use cr.Forward xx light tatsu. It's very technical and rare. Probably not worth the work it takes to get the range perfect.
    Will do a video upon request.

    please do <3
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  • the_judgethe_judge Can you feel the love tonight? Joined: Posts: 1,769
    please do <3

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  • LoyalSolLoyalSol Baton Rouge, Lousiana Joined: Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭✭
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    If I can come up with some more AV cables I'll reupload it using my dazzle.

    Haha I have to say I love Akuma. Find something new every day.

    I am curious what makes it so it works at a tip range
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  • thebosstheboss Joined: Posts: 524
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    If I can come up with some more AV cables I'll reupload it using my dazzle.
    Very nice find, man. Someone should bring this up to SRK´s first page.

    I wonder if there are similar setups for other non-sweepable characters.
  • ShinAkuma204ShinAkuma204 The Primordial Ooze Joined: Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭
    That makes me think that all characters may be sweepable after the tatsu with the correct setup.
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  • GoshtiNGoshtiN Joined: Posts: 256
    It's like pressing both of the buttons at the same time while in crouching position, but you'll be pressing the HK like a millisecond faster than the MK, if you plinked it properly, the inputs will display it like this:

    MK+HK
    HK
    and this makes a sweep after tatsu work? I gotta try this. thanks
  • Nu-SkooolNu-Skoool Pushing buttons is fun Joined: Posts: 785 ✭✭
    I am assuming the tatsu is meaty, letting akuma reach the ground faster than he normally would. Thats the obvious answer or it's just because this is Super Street Fighter 4.
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  • asiantomasiantom Joined: Posts: 1,515
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    If I can come up with some more AV cables I'll reupload it using my dazzle.

    so rad
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  • the_judgethe_judge Can you feel the love tonight? Joined: Posts: 1,769
    Very nice find, man. Someone should bring this up to SRK´s first page.

    I wonder if there are similar setups for other non-sweepable characters.

    before you do, lemme reupload it. I am attempting to record it with my dazzle now.

    UPDATE: I guess I have no way of getting drivers for my dazzle for Windows 7. So I can not record it.
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  • Sizar_92Sizar_92 Joined: Posts: 430
    I am assuming the tatsu is meaty, letting akuma reach the ground faster than he normally would. Thats the obvious answer or it's just because this is Super Street Fighter 4.

    This was the first thing that crossed my mind.
  • LoyalSolLoyalSol Baton Rouge, Lousiana Joined: Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭✭
    I am assuming the tatsu is meaty, letting akuma reach the ground faster than he normally would. Thats the obvious answer or it's just because this is Super Street Fighter 4.

    Couple different explanations could be reasonable. Though meaty is also perfectly reasonable. It could have something to do with strange hit boxes in the same way that causes s.HP >Fireball >Sweep to work on Chun.
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  • Ghost-_-WriterGhost-_-Writer Joined: Posts: 8
    Some of those characters that are listed as not sweepable actually can be sweeped, but only after a cross-up tatsu. I haven't tried with everyone, but Ryu for example can be sweeped after a cross-up tatsu relatively easily.

    I think it works with Abel too, but I can't remember.
  • metallicabandmetallicaband DP & A TELEPORT ?!! Joined: Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭✭
    Some of those characters that are listed as not sweepable actually can be sweeped, but only after a cross-up tatsu. I haven't tried with everyone, but Ryu for example can be sweeped after a cross-up tatsu relatively easily.

    I think it works with Abel too, but I can't remember.

    x-up tatsu > sweep works on everyone, it's the ground lk.tatsu > sweep that's character specific.
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  • the_judgethe_judge Can you feel the love tonight? Joined: Posts: 1,769
    Okay, apparently I can't get my dazzle working so that is the highest quality video I can put out of that setup. You have full permission if you wanna put up a direct capture video displaying the combo.

    I also found another setup against Abel. You land a lvl 2 or 3 focus and instead use cr.Strongx3 xx light tatus, sweep. This one is somewhat fishy because if the focus was done point blank, the sweep might fail after the tatsu.
    Plz note that if the focus lands counter hit, you need to take a tiny step forward before you start the combo.

    Personally, I think these setups are pretty impractical.
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  • lee123lee123 Joined: Posts: 2
    Just to say thank you to loyalsol what a legend with all this info i can read for years able you can sweep with cr mp st mp cr mp tatsu sweep just a move i prefer as it is 3 hits still you can get with mp and is better close range i find with out jump in attack.also long range Hk kicks cr mk lk tatsu sweep works you can also loop into kicks of J hk cr lp cl mp st lp kicks keep up the good work.
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    too bad he can't teach you how to avoid run-on sentences
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    Dont say I never showed you anything useful.
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  • anTi_air_chrsTanTi_air_chrsT anTi_air_chrisT Joined: Posts: 2
    It would be great if someone could actually determine exactly how many frames you have to sweep each character, i.e Boxer 3f, Guile 1f, Dhalsim 4f, Adon 2f etc, or frame advantage after lk tatsu for every character before they hit the ground. Has this been done already? I'm new here.

    Technically every character in the game can be swept after lk tatsu, IF the tatsu hits meaty. Set dummy to record: sweep - meaty tatsu - sweep. Completely impractical of course, but just watching Ryu get swept after lk tatsu was fun :D

    Maybe one day we'll find viable setups to make the tatsu hit meaty i.e Abel's focus crumple, cr.mp x3, tatsu, sweep. Hell if Sako can combo into Evil Ryu's 7 frame sweep from his +5 stand jab then we can figure something out!

    P.S. I can't change my username from my profile(should be anti_air_christ not 'chrst'), is there a mod or admin that can help me sort that out? Thanks.
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