"Work on your movements, Chap! Dudley Critique Thread

3S.3S. Tallahassee's up and coming player on the riseJoined: Posts: 1,137
I have decided to create two video threads, one for personal videos where people can who off videos of their matches to get advice and what not. THe second video thread wil contain Important Tourney Matches, Video guide's etc. This thread is being created to prevent the overflow of threads when people try to learn Dudley and posting videos of your own performance is a great way to learn what you're doing wrong and become better.

So please if you get the chance, post some videos for us to help you out and we'll figure this out together.

Note: i will be posting some of my own very soon.
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  • Liquid SRKLiquid SRK Joined: Posts: 450











  • Mr. XMr. X Non Stop ∞ Climax Joined: Posts: 20,239
    Seeing you lose to that Ryu made me feel less bad about how I lose to Ryu since that looks exactly like how I get beat lol.
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  • PKSkylerPKSkyler Viewtiful and Stylish! Joined: Posts: 6,998
    lol amazing ryu player
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  • EastEast Break Through Joined: Posts: 901
    Seeing you lose to that Ryu made me feel less bad about how I lose to Ryu since that looks exactly like how I get beat lol.

    If you're losing to scrubby Ryu's like that, the biggest thing you have to realize is that he isn't respecting your ability to combo, so then don't respect him back. Throw out two jabs, wait for him to shoryuken and Fierce Punch him, after he takes the 3rd one, he'll start to block, then just throw him.

    In other words: Scrubs don't respect you, so don't respect them.
  • 3S.3S. Tallahassee's up and coming player on the rise Joined: Posts: 1,137
    I don't give anyone respect online, unless its endless battle, even then what are the ground rules for respect? it almost sounds cocky that you have to back off on them. Someone explain this to me please?
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  • MeLLoWMeLLoW Joined: Posts: 1,843
    There is no such thing as respect online because people just play you dirty and scrubbish. I lose to scrubby shit, too. When they play scrubby, I play defense mode because sometimes they will get impatient. They'll start to mash buttons right in front of you or grab a lot, so I lure them in and mix it up because they will almost always block low. Usually when you get a couple of combos, try to actually connect them because if you drop the combos they will mash DP you or something lol. I hate it when it happens so you gotta becarefu when you combo through lag because they will be mashing buttons hoping to get a DP out or something.

    I only play endless with people I know or people I know that know their friends..........if that made sense. o.O

    Edit: I will upload some videos soon.
  • PinkPwnageFrenzyPinkPwnageFrenzy ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ Joined: Posts: 186
    Yeah, I tend to lose to Ryu/Ken a lot for that reason, I do a lot of stuff that doesn't combo. Silly stuff like jab jab grab doesn't work when your opponent is mashing a shoryuken. I have to bait them out more like East said.
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  • FLOWER FISTFLOWER FIST Joined: Posts: 2
    i just walk up 2 em block a nervous dp punish block repeat rushing down/risky links is just asking to gt a reversal dp just do the basics nuthing flashy
    SSFIV mains:Dudley,sakura,makoto
  • MrQuotesMrQuotes WOLFFYYYYY!!! Joined: Posts: 2,025
    online play drives me insane, there's no way i can get a read on people over the internet.
    i honestly believe that skill translates differently from when you're playing someone right there in front of you vs. on PSN/XBL
    maybe Endless battles with friends can be an exception to that.

    i would post vids of me getting blown up, but the most current matches of me are in big ass vids and i dont know how to link with timestamps =(

    EDIT: Found Some! But still not very recent, i think i got a little better since then.







    vs Hondatech(Chun)

    EDIT: Got it guys thanks.
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  • EastEast Break Through Joined: Posts: 901
    someone show me how to timestamp so i can get some vs Rose advice =/

    at the end of the youtube url, put "#t=0m0s "

    no quotes of course, and replace the first 0 with what minute you want to start at, and the second zero at what second in that minute you want to.

    Example. #t=2m3s will start the video at 2 minutes and 3 seconds.
  • CastarCastar Joined: Posts: 19
    For YouTube vids, add #t=XmYs at the end of your link, where X and Y are minutes and seconds, obviously, such as #t=3m45s

    For example, to link to where Dudley starts in that vs. Chris Hu vid, you'd do

    edit: too slow :)
  • MrQuotesMrQuotes WOLFFYYYYY!!! Joined: Posts: 2,025
    thanks y'all, was able to add the Rose Matchup
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  • Liquid SRKLiquid SRK Joined: Posts: 450
    God that Rose vs. Dudley matchup looked exactly how my dudley did vs. arturo's rose.
  • MrQuotesMrQuotes WOLFFYYYYY!!! Joined: Posts: 2,025
    yea i got scraped saturday by another rose, thankfully he got taken out in losers so i could avoid him, but it's still begs the question wtf does dudley do to that bitch?
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  • 3S.3S. Tallahassee's up and coming player on the rise Joined: Posts: 1,137
    first of what is their playstyle, and what ultra are you using?
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  • IIPeruIIPeru Stop focusing Joined: Posts: 1,390
    hey guys here are some replays of mine, sorry for the crappy quality have to upload from my HD2 cell

    vs strider(abel)


    and vs st??(gief)
    Best advice you can give someone after losing the first set... "too many minds..."
  • Liquid SRKLiquid SRK Joined: Posts: 450
    yea i got scraped saturday by another rose, thankfully he got taken out in losers so i could avoid him, but it's still begs the question wtf does dudley do to that bitch?

    I have been testing that out, and found a couple of useful tricks. Ultra 1 should be used for this matchup I think.

    You can Punish her spiral with U1 on block if its spaced poorly. Um, other than that I dont have a clue on what to do againts her o.x
  • MeLLoWMeLLoW Joined: Posts: 1,843
    Good footsies, Peru. I can't really see the first video beause I think you removed it. But how you kept Zangief out of close rang wih your damaging pokes and anti-air is the best way to beat Zangief, aside from round 2 where I saw you kind of lost it and got you for the final grab without any reactions; it happens to me too though but aside from that mistake your Dudley keeping Zangief out of command grab range is just so good.
  • IIPeruIIPeru Stop focusing Joined: Posts: 1,390
    Good footsies, Peru. I can't really see the first video beause I think you removed it. But how you kept Zangief out of close rang wih your damaging pokes and anti-air is the best way to beat Zangief, aside from round 2 where I saw you kind of lost it and got you for the final grab without any reactions; it happens to me too though but aside from that mistake your Dudley keeping Zangief out of command grab range is just so good.

    thanks man the first one should work here try this link

    Best advice you can give someone after losing the first set... "too many minds..."
  • MeLLoWMeLLoW Joined: Posts: 1,843
    thanks man the first one should work here try this link


    It's ard for me to actually beat Abel because of his rush down game and his tornado throw. Even when I play footsies, I struggle against him. But I see a pattern of footsies and grabs and mixups to shut down Abel. I'm going to keep fighting abels to really get better at beating them. Good match, Peru.
  • FullMetalRossFullMetalRoss That Hurt! Liar... Joined: Posts: 3,860
    I posted a huge write up on what to do about combos into blocked spiral in the matchup thread its proababaly a few pages back now. U1 will never work against hk spiral, it is only -4 on block.
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  • Logan SamaLogan Sama Joined: Posts: 881
    I still only ever use Ultra 1 against Honda. And I've been ruminating on the person who swears by it vs Zangief.
  • 3S.3S. Tallahassee's up and coming player on the rise Joined: Posts: 1,137
    I still only ever use Ultra 1 against Honda. And I've been ruminating on the person who swears by it vs Zangief.

    im assuming you mean me?
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  • Logan SamaLogan Sama Joined: Posts: 881
    I just retain ideas sir, names get lost.

    I'm trying to decide whether being able to punish lariats is worth while.
  • 3S.3S. Tallahassee's up and coming player on the rise Joined: Posts: 1,137
    it depends on the zangiefs style, both are viable, but do you see jumping more or lairats more?
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  • PinkPwnageFrenzyPinkPwnageFrenzy ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ Joined: Posts: 186
    Quotes plays really similar to me. Lots of spacing, little to no focus, getting worked by good players. I'd probably get perfected by the guys you're playing, so good stuff dude.
    GT: FrenzyTEC
  • MrQuotesMrQuotes WOLFFYYYYY!!! Joined: Posts: 2,025
    yea i'm not really very aggressive unless im in plus frames or get a throw. i think that spacing and poking well is really the key to winning with dudley, and if they start coming towards you then it only makes things easier.
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  • PinkPwnageFrenzyPinkPwnageFrenzy ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ Joined: Posts: 186
    yea i'm not really very aggressive unless im in plus frames or get a throw. i think that spacing and poking well is really the key to winning with dudley, and if they start coming towards you then it only makes things easier.
    While I'm not savvy with the frames, that's pretty much what I do. Seems the "better" Dudleys just stay in people's faces 24/7. But we play a little more conservatively, when we get a chance we're sure to do some damage though.
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  • 3S.3S. Tallahassee's up and coming player on the rise Joined: Posts: 1,137
    While I'm not savvy with the frames, that's pretty much what I do. Seems the "better" Dudleys just stay in people's faces 24/7. But we play a little more conservatively, when we get a chance we're sure to do some damage though.

    this is how i play, i tend to zone my opponent the best i can and then when the opportunity arrises i go in for the big damage, i feel its smarter to play that way, otherwise you'll keep eating dps on wakeup and unsafe strings
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  • GETAMAZEDGETAMAZED Joined: Posts: 1
    @ OP

    in the first video at the 0:40 mark, what is that combo you're doing? i've seen it probably a hundred times, but i'm not exactly sure what you're doing. looks useful.
  • 3S.3S. Tallahassee's up and coming player on the rise Joined: Posts: 1,137
    im the OP thats not me, thats Liquid SRK
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  • lukybearlukybear Let's get Long Beach GOING! Joined: Posts: 241
    @ OP

    in the first video at the 0:40 mark, what is that combo you're doing? i've seen it probably a hundred times, but i'm not exactly sure what you're doing. looks useful.

    Its not useful, but its classy. Theres a multitude of different combos that do much more damage but I'll give you some details about that combo since its so awesome.

    FA3 - dash foward - f.mk > st.j > st.mp > st.j > st.hk xx ex.MGB > lk.ducking straight > HP.Jet upper

    Like I said its classy not useful. I call this the Marn combo because the first time I saw it Marn was doing it in a tourney round. Its basically to show off and its great to practice timing if you're not so good at it. Its also cool because it uses a target combo in the middle so it takes some difficulty out of the links, and the timing of the hits is weird so it sounds/looks really rad.

    If you wanna know why it sucks post in the combo thread or beginners thread and I'll talk your ear off with numbers.
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  • BlueLambencyBlueLambency Joined: Posts: 141
    That combo is useful because it's high on stun.
  • F*CKTHESCENEF*CKTHESCENE Joined: Posts: 712
    the more i watch you guys play the more i learn, i <3 dudley
  • lukybearlukybear Let's get Long Beach GOING! Joined: Posts: 241
    That combo is useful because it's high on stun.

    No.

    Right off the bat: in the video the combo was used when the opponent was stunned, so no stun was added for that combo.

    Also the stun is 519 for that combo. (possibly 524 with an hp.upper that wasn't used) 359 damage (with the upper)
    On a stun You could neutral jump HP > st. HK xx ex.MGB > ducking straight > HP.Jet Upper instead. it gives 650 stun. 402 damage.
    If you FA lvl 3 and you want more stun? f.mk > st.rh xx ex.MGB ducking straight gives 582 stun 398 damage.

    These combos aren't even the strongest, or highest stun you could do. You could add a HP jet upper to my FA combo. You can replace the f.mk with a cr.HP which does 200 stun by itself. These combos are way easier and do more damage and stun.

    The combo mentioned is for showing off. Please don't confuse people with incorrect information unless you tested it and can prove your claims.

    edit: Just for fun I tested the FA.lvl3 > cr.HP > st. HK xx EX.MGB > ducking straight > hp. Jet upper 682 stun 438 damage and this only has one link as opposed to the 3 in the marn combo. (though admittedly its kind of a hard link =P)
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  • Vegit814Vegit814 Joined: Posts: 449
    My Dudley is pretty crummy at the moment.Any critiques would be helpful.I gotta remember that c.mp is my best friend as far as pokes into combos go and know I have to break the bad habit of trying to use EX MGB to try and punish stuff :xeye:

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  • KawoXDKawoXD FAN 范 Joined: Posts: 277
    hey guys casual ssfiv player looking for some feedback. im not pro i know but some suggestions/input would be nice.





    take a look at my channel too, there are a couple more on the way that are currently uploading.

    check out my other vids too if you don't mind critiquing my ryu.

    YouTube - kawomon's Channel

    thanks!
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  • PainKillerDCXVIPainKillerDCXVI Pulling the Strings. Joined: Posts: 236
    hey guys casual ssfiv player looking for some feedback. im not pro i know but some suggestions/input would be nice.





    take a look at my channel too, there are a couple more on the way that are currently uploading.

    check out my other vids too if you don't mind critiquing my ryu.

    YouTube - kawomon's Channel

    thanks!
    That balrog match hurt man, but heck we all gotta learn it eventually;

    Don't stay crouching, punish blocked overheads with uppercut (s.hk + anything when you get better) punish blocked smash with uppercut (s.hk if too close when you get better) This alone will help he to not be an ass and only use smashes going for stuff that is actually save for him, but allowing you to focus once in a while , focus is a good thing too to use it CLOSE, press focus and throw it right away a few times to keep the pressure, by doing this you might even crumple him with a lvl 1 focus while he tries to do a reflex smash on it, don't let he jumpin s.mk is there for a reason, none of those were safe jump ins even for a 4 frame uppercut, pull some frame traps with jab > s.hp...s.hp again since you are far from his jab range, if you got the hp advantage go for low attacks on wake up only if he got no ex bar that is, then go for meaty c.lk and c.lp only to avoid grab and ex headbutt, if you score a knockdown midscreen he will probably dash, try a meaty forward s.hp but only once so he knows you got anti back dash measures, you want him to be blocking a guess game at least once before his ultra(overhead,low attacks) balrog is very poor on wakeup, while on a corner you need make it count throw him if he ever attemps a ex dash punch on wakeup mix your stuff with a throw,or just block less risky, do it if you have less hp than him, its his most safe option on a corner.

    that rog didn't played all that good man, you need to get this match up on your head, and punish all that is possible...
  • ciryciry Gentleman Pugilist Joined: Posts: 166
    Couple of my matches from tonight, I know there are couple really dumb MGBs which I did, some unnecessary DPs and plenty of reckless jumping. Anyways, my basic online matches. Love to get some input.
    Really trying to implement c.lk->c.lp->s.hk and f.hk->c.lp->s.hk to my gameplay, since I can do them 90-95% consistent in training, just having really hard time finding the places to hit em.


    fun fact: Dudley considered such moves as cheese grader square and spatula hexagon as his finisher before settling with corkscrew cross
  • CDB2CDB2 Joined: Posts: 2,520
    A couple of Dudley vs. Dudley matches from me & Mellow.





    Again we had to deal with lag, but still managed to have some awesome matches.
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  • PainKillerDCXVIPainKillerDCXVI Pulling the Strings. Joined: Posts: 236
    A couple of Dudley vs. Dudley matches from me & Mellow.





    Again we had to deal with lag, but still managed to have some awesome matches.
    Good fights but

    ultra 1 can be focus absorbed
    you can punish ex mgb with ultra and uppercuts
    dunno why you guys kept hit confirming 2x jab but starting a string instead of going for a big combo
    mellow try too much fancy stuff

    good fights anyway, but you guys style make me crazy tho, so many missed chances....
  • MeLLoWMeLLoW Joined: Posts: 1,843
    The hit confirms, led to st.hk never coming our, or coming out too late. The lag was holding us back. Second, I'm always used to do ing fancy stuff, why's that such a problem? It's not like I'm in a tournament or something lol?

    Anyways, you see where I try to hit confirm and that's where it ends...st.hk was timed wrong in those games, uhm..oh and I focused a lot and that's my really huge concern. I had a random ultra while try to do an EX Jet Upper; lag was so delicious that day lol. I had no big damage combos for every opportunity I had and same for him. It wasn't us, just nothing was going right for us that day in endless lag battle. GG's though, no? My only critique that's hitting me a lot if Focusing too much. I focus on almost anything just to get some ultra meter or to get a crumble and get an easy st.hk xx ex mgb, duck upper. Also, I use cr.lk, cr.lp a lot, but went straight to cr.lp x2 since because I constantly dropped cr.lk as you can see (I think?) anyways tell me what you guys think?

    P.S. I wanna make cr.mk into good use, I've got a lot of knockdowns yesterday with it especially this A ranked Ryu who was really mashing that crouching forward a lot..don't really know how to use it to my advantage since I need to time it so well.
  • CDB2CDB2 Joined: Posts: 2,520
    Good fights but

    ultra 1 can be focus absorbed
    you can punish ex mgb with ultra and uppercuts
    dunno why you guys kept hit confirming 2x jab but starting a string instead of going for a big combo
    mellow try too much fancy stuff

    good fights anyway, but you guys style make me crazy tho, so many missed chances....

    Thanks. Like Mellow said lag was messing us up. Lag is partially why I'm still trying to get the timming down on confirming 2x ch. jab into st. HK.
    I for the life of me cannot do this online without getting shoryuken'ed, flame kicked.
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  • MeLLoWMeLLoW Joined: Posts: 1,843
    It's very easy, just hope that there isn't any frame lag so you can time your moves properly. In our game it was just not possible. Anyways like I said, I can be fancy whenever I want to be fancy, as long as I know what I'm doing it really doesn't matter, and no problem, cdb2k3.

    Again, any suggestions in using cr.mk properly? I can't get used to using it.
  • DarkyellowDarkyellow Joined: Posts: 1,091
    It's very easy, just hope that there isn't any frame lag so you can time your moves properly. In our game it was just not possible. Anyways like I said, I can be fancy whenever I want to be fancy, as long as I know what I'm doing it really doesn't matter, and no problem, cdb2k3.

    Again, any suggestions in using cr.mk properly? I can't get used to using it.

    Use it as a surprise move from max range. Luckily it's not as bad as it was in 3s. It really depends on how you play. I personally rarely use the move because his other lows give me more options.
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  • reboundrebound Punching nothing but air... Joined: Posts: 297
    I figure I'll add my own low-tier play:



    And I'll add one where I do horribly:

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  • RelldaproblemRelldaproblem Joined: Posts: 9
    (vega ) vs. Relldaproblem (dudley)
    What could i have done better in the match up?

    (vega ) vs. Relldaproblem (dudley)
    This one two?
  • RelldaproblemRelldaproblem Joined: Posts: 9
    UmataroM42 was the vega player.His name got cut off lol
  • Mr. XMr. X Non Stop ∞ Climax Joined: Posts: 20,239
    I saw hardly any attempts to link into st. HK, you seemed content to do jabs into LP MGB or MP MGB and throw him.
    Do you normally throw that much or were you just abusing his inability to tech?
    So many EX JU @_@ if the Vega wasn't mashing, it wouldn't been bad news for you.
    You did not go back in time, this is how the forums look.
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  • RelldaproblemRelldaproblem Joined: Posts: 9
    I saw hardly any attempts to link into st. HK, you seemed content to do jabs into LP MGB or MP MGB and throw him.
    Do you normally throw that much or were you just abusing his inability to tech?
    So many EX JU @_@ if the Vega wasn't mashing, it wouldn't been bad news for you.


    I normally throw that much until they start constantly teching me. At that point i switch 2 cr.Lk,cr mk.jet upper. I need to learn how 2 link st.Hk frm forward f.mp but i find forward mp,cr lp,st.Hk easier.And your rite about the ex ju i coulda been punshied all game.
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