"Work on your movements, Chap! Dudley Critique Thread

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  • PainKillerDCXVIPainKillerDCXVI Pulling the Strings. Joined: Posts: 236
    A couple of Dudley vs. Dudley matches from me & Mellow.





    Again we had to deal with lag, but still managed to have some awesome matches.
    Good fights but

    ultra 1 can be focus absorbed
    you can punish ex mgb with ultra and uppercuts
    dunno why you guys kept hit confirming 2x jab but starting a string instead of going for a big combo
    mellow try too much fancy stuff

    good fights anyway, but you guys style make me crazy tho, so many missed chances....
  • MeLLoWMeLLoW Joined: Posts: 1,843
    The hit confirms, led to st.hk never coming our, or coming out too late. The lag was holding us back. Second, I'm always used to do ing fancy stuff, why's that such a problem? It's not like I'm in a tournament or something lol?

    Anyways, you see where I try to hit confirm and that's where it ends...st.hk was timed wrong in those games, uhm..oh and I focused a lot and that's my really huge concern. I had a random ultra while try to do an EX Jet Upper; lag was so delicious that day lol. I had no big damage combos for every opportunity I had and same for him. It wasn't us, just nothing was going right for us that day in endless lag battle. GG's though, no? My only critique that's hitting me a lot if Focusing too much. I focus on almost anything just to get some ultra meter or to get a crumble and get an easy st.hk xx ex mgb, duck upper. Also, I use cr.lk, cr.lp a lot, but went straight to cr.lp x2 since because I constantly dropped cr.lk as you can see (I think?) anyways tell me what you guys think?

    P.S. I wanna make cr.mk into good use, I've got a lot of knockdowns yesterday with it especially this A ranked Ryu who was really mashing that crouching forward a lot..don't really know how to use it to my advantage since I need to time it so well.
  • CDB2CDB2 Joined: Posts: 3,207
    Good fights but

    ultra 1 can be focus absorbed
    you can punish ex mgb with ultra and uppercuts
    dunno why you guys kept hit confirming 2x jab but starting a string instead of going for a big combo
    mellow try too much fancy stuff

    good fights anyway, but you guys style make me crazy tho, so many missed chances....

    Thanks. Like Mellow said lag was messing us up. Lag is partially why I'm still trying to get the timming down on confirming 2x ch. jab into st. HK.
    I for the life of me cannot do this online without getting shoryuken'ed, flame kicked.

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  • MeLLoWMeLLoW Joined: Posts: 1,843
    It's very easy, just hope that there isn't any frame lag so you can time your moves properly. In our game it was just not possible. Anyways like I said, I can be fancy whenever I want to be fancy, as long as I know what I'm doing it really doesn't matter, and no problem, cdb2k3.

    Again, any suggestions in using cr.mk properly? I can't get used to using it.
  • DarkyellowDarkyellow Joined: Posts: 1,091
    It's very easy, just hope that there isn't any frame lag so you can time your moves properly. In our game it was just not possible. Anyways like I said, I can be fancy whenever I want to be fancy, as long as I know what I'm doing it really doesn't matter, and no problem, cdb2k3.

    Again, any suggestions in using cr.mk properly? I can't get used to using it.

    Use it as a surprise move from max range. Luckily it's not as bad as it was in 3s. It really depends on how you play. I personally rarely use the move because his other lows give me more options.
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  • reboundrebound Punching nothing but air... Joined: Posts: 304
    I figure I'll add my own low-tier play:



    And I'll add one where I do horribly:

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  • RelldaproblemRelldaproblem Joined: Posts: 9
    (vega ) vs. Relldaproblem (dudley)
    What could i have done better in the match up?

    (vega ) vs. Relldaproblem (dudley)
    This one two?
  • RelldaproblemRelldaproblem Joined: Posts: 9
    UmataroM42 was the vega player.His name got cut off lol
  • Mr. XMr. X Non Stop ∞ Climax Joined: Posts: 20,239
    I saw hardly any attempts to link into st. HK, you seemed content to do jabs into LP MGB or MP MGB and throw him.
    Do you normally throw that much or were you just abusing his inability to tech?
    So many EX JU @_@ if the Vega wasn't mashing, it wouldn't been bad news for you.
    You did not go back in time, this is how the forums look.
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  • RelldaproblemRelldaproblem Joined: Posts: 9
    I saw hardly any attempts to link into st. HK, you seemed content to do jabs into LP MGB or MP MGB and throw him.
    Do you normally throw that much or were you just abusing his inability to tech?
    So many EX JU @_@ if the Vega wasn't mashing, it wouldn't been bad news for you.


    I normally throw that much until they start constantly teching me. At that point i switch 2 cr.Lk,cr mk.jet upper. I need to learn how 2 link st.Hk frm forward f.mp but i find forward mp,cr lp,st.Hk easier.And your rite about the ex ju i coulda been punshied all game.
  • Mr. XMr. X Non Stop ∞ Climax Joined: Posts: 20,239
    You can keep doing f. MK cr LP st. HK, that's fine, it's when you hit the cr. LP cr. LP you need to try the st. HK link. And you need to get that overhead > cr. LP > st HK link down too.
    You did not go back in time, this is how the forums look.
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  • KrisPy_KKrisPy_K Joined: Posts: 8
    Here for critique! Fire away!

    This is a series of 13 mirror matches (Duds) with a random dude on PSN. This way, you can see the process of me learning to not only fight the character, but try to download the player. Enjoy!

    Match 1&2 -
    Match 3&4 -
    Match 5&6 -
    Match 7 -
    Match 8 -
    Match 9 - Failed Upload (No worries, I won that one.)
    Match 10 -
    Match 11 -
    Match 12 -
    Match 13 -

    Leave me some critique and no sugar-coating pls! Stay Classy Duds!
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  • Amadeus PwnsAmadeus Pwns Get fed. Stay Hungry Joined: Posts: 50
    I only watched 12 and 13, but from what I saw, you're jumping in too much; especially with RH. You also need to practice your BnB combos, I think I only saw you do 1 and it was blocked. You should use your CSB as an anti air too, unless you're combo'ing it. I saw a lot of chances where you could've stuffed him with CSB.
    Flex on nerds.
  • ScroogedScrooged Yeaah! Joined: Posts: 36
    This is a series of 13 mirror matches (Duds) with a random dude on PSN. This way, you can see the process of me learning to not only fight the character, but try to download the player. Enjoy!

    Match 1&2 -
    Match 3&4 -
    Match 5&6 -
    Match 7 -
    Match 8 -
    Match 9 - Failed Upload (No worries, I won that one.)
    Match 10 -
    Match 11 -
    Match 12 -
    Match 13 -

    Leave me some critique and no sugar-coating pls! Stay Classy Duds!
    Excellent combo at :50 at 5&6. Does the ex jet upper usually connect after the lp.MGB?
  • PainKillerDCXVIPainKillerDCXVI Pulling the Strings. Joined: Posts: 236
    hmm no, didn't watch it but he might have tried the ultra and the god damn shortcuts got a ex ju in
  • MeLLoWMeLLoW Joined: Posts: 1,843
    - xAPO20x [Dudley] vs Markun2009 [Ryu
    - xAPO20x [Dudley] vs samson1020 [Dudley
    - xAPO20x [Dudley] vs Playerjun52 [Ken

    Really?
  • ScroogedScrooged Yeaah! Joined: Posts: 36
    - xAPO20x [Dudley] vs Markun2009 [Ryu
    - xAPO20x [Dudley] vs samson1020 [Dudley
    - xAPO20x [Dudley] vs Playerjun52 [Ken

    Really?
    Th... These arent yours? Why did you post them? I uh... I love that empty jump in followed by cr.lk though.
  • DaniKOoLDaniKOoL Joined: Posts: 2
    Here some of my dudley vids. Critiques welcomed

    A match vs a Ryu:
    I think the turning point was when my opponnent just throw out his super for nothing after i blocked his airbone tatsu crossup.

    Vs Claw:
    One of my worst matchup. Managed to make a come back win but in the end, I just put pressure like crazy without reflexion lol.
    I hate Claw's pokes and his backward somersault. Maybe i should have OS kidney MGB more.

    2 more of my worst matchup where i lost horribly:

    Vs El Fuerte:
    I got perfected by his horrible mix up in the 2nd round. I just don't know how to evade his "tortilla throw". Sometimes I just try to advance with j.hK but if i get too predictable i get anti air with his air throw :/
    Lost in the 3rd round while I tried to mash my corkscrew blow out!


    Vs Juri:
    Her low forward poke gives me a hard time... And i just jumped like crazy and got AA pretty bad. I don't know how to get past her annoying pokes.


    Thanks.
  • cuttyb87cuttyb87 Joined: Posts: 47
    Those essential links f mk. cr.p st.hk ex mgb is so hard for me on the stick I try buffering the moving and it wont come out and when I do it on reaction I do it to late I need help on that link any advice?

    I looked hrough the forum and was trying to find any tips but I didnt see what I was looking for I am looking for a explanation on the execution of the links into cancel
  • jordanman13jordanman13 Super Ultimate Loser Joined: Posts: 59
    I don't have any videos (as my recording process takes forever to record/put on youtube, but if someone wants to spar with me on PSN, then I'd be happy to get in a few matches. I'm maining Dudley and I'm trying to find another character to main with him, but I'm working on Dudley mostly, so any feedback is appreciated. My PSN = jordanman13 (no caps). Add me and send a message if you're interested in playing a match or two (i have a mic, so critiquing my gameplay will be easy if you have one too)
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  • jordanman13jordanman13 Super Ultimate Loser Joined: Posts: 59
    OK, so one of the people on the forum I'm on uploaded a match of him playing endless mode with a couple of us. Here's a good show of how i play my Dudley (This is how i normally play, but keep in mind they are way better than me, as they have played pretty much since release, where as i just restarted about two weeks ago)

    Dudley (jordanman13) vs. Gouken (SUNsunMcNASTY):

    EDIT: Ignore the ones that ren't me, we played in a big group in Endless... I only played Dudley, but there was another Dudley in there as well, so watch for the PSN name under the health bar
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  • XxZenesterXxXxZenesterXx Balrog+Dudley= GG Joined: Posts: 4
    OK, so one of the people on the forum I'm on uploaded a match of him playing endless mode with a couple of us. Here's a good show of how i play my Dudley (This is how i normally play, but keep in mind they are way better than me, as they have played pretty much since release, where as i just restarted about two weeks ago)

    Dudley (jordanman13) vs. Gouken (SUNsunMcNASTY):

    EDIT: Ignore the ones that ren't me, we played in a big group in Endless... I only played Dudley, but there was another Dudley in there as well, so watch for the PSN name under the health bar

    Ok ive noticed that the first 20 secs of the video you did random MGBs which is not good. The only time when you want to do an MGB like that is when you see your opponent doing random normals or if theyre trying to focus you. Like for example if a viper is doing a random feint you can predict it and do EX MGB. 2nd is work on your execution as in work on your mindgames and work on your combos and the last thing i just have to say is footsies like use your standing fierce more heres a website about footsies. sonic hurricane dot com Street Fighter Footsies Handbook, Chapter 1 Read all the chapters and if you work on all of that you will have a decent dudley.
    Keeping it classy and hustling fight money.
  • Imm0rt4lImm0rt4l Final Boss Joined: Posts: 826

    1 match 58 3 seconds in

    1 match 1 hour and 5 minutes in

    2 matches 1 hour and 18 minutes in


    Critique me gentlemen.
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    SSF4 mains: Gouken and Dudley
  • ciryciry Gentleman Pugilist Joined: Posts: 166

    1 match 58 3 seconds in

    1 match 1 hour and 5 minutes in

    2 matches 1 hour and 18 minutes in


    Critique me gentlemen.

    I only watched the first match since it's 5:30. There was good stuff in there,but I saw 3 things to work on.
    First, you are waaay too reckless on wakeup, Dudleys wakeup options are limited so BLOCK more! you ate to many meaties and that CS fadc since you were pressing buttons on pretty much every wakeup.
    Second thing was the CC, I love it as well but the sad truth it isn't that good, doing EX CC after blockstring/blocked MGB is a very bad habit and can easily cost you the round.
    Third , there was also a random MGB, if it wasn't a input error, don't do that since any half decent player blocks and punishes it badly.
    fun fact: Dudley considered such moves as cheese grader square and spatula hexagon as his finisher before settling with corkscrew cross
  • mowrmowr VROOM VROOM! Joined: Posts: 6,751
    Critique for like, 80% of Dudley players:

    Stop doing f.hk, cr.lp, st.hk links. Just practice plinking your st.hk and link straight into it from f.hk. You get more damage, more stun and more range on it. With plinking, it's a 2 frame link, which is the same as linking f.hk into cr.lp.

    In AE this will be even more important as f.hk is getting it's range increased.
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  • ciryciry Gentleman Pugilist Joined: Posts: 166
    Critique for like, 80% of Dudley players:

    Stop doing f.hk, cr.lp, st.hk links. Just practice plinking your st.hk and link straight into it from f.hk. You get more damage, more stun and more range on it. With plinking, it's a 2 frame link, which is the same as linking f.hk into cr.lp.

    In AE this will be even more important as f.hk is getting it's range increased.

    weeeeeell yea, it's important you can do f.hk to s.hk, but SSF4 net code being the piece of shit it is I feel way more comfortable doing c.lp in between if I know I'm close enough.

    I don't know about the players in USA, but I'm from Finland and there is practically never and Finns playing ranked or at least it's a utter waste of time to search matches with same region, why the hell can't I search the scandinavian countries? or even filter the thousand 1 bar American players from the search?

    Anyway, this is why I have to pick 4-5 bar games from players from spain/germany/france/italy/etc middle European countries and it's a total lottery.
    Hardly ever can I find a lagless match and usually the lag is at least so bad that punishing lp shoryuken(f
    shotos everywhere) is a nightmare with anything else than c.mp xx mp.MGB
    it's stupid how many shotos just do another lp shoryu after a blocked one and it's ridiculous how hard especially ken's is to punish with f.mk or even s.hk if theres even a little lag, can't wait for AE...
    fun fact: Dudley considered such moves as cheese grader square and spatula hexagon as his finisher before settling with corkscrew cross
  • brainpipebrainpipe SCIENCE! Joined: Posts: 1,165
    Critique for like, 80% of Dudley players:

    Stop doing f.hk, cr.lp, st.hk links. Just practice plinking your st.hk and link straight into it from f.hk. You get more damage, more stun and more range on it. With plinking, it's a 2 frame link, which is the same as linking f.hk into cr.lp.

    In AE this will be even more important as f.hk is getting it's range increased.

    Definitely true. Getting that link down is crucial, and the link is so delayed it is an easy hit confirm without the extra jabs.
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  • Imm0rt4lImm0rt4l Final Boss Joined: Posts: 826
    I only watched the first match since it's 5:30. There was good stuff in there,but I saw 3 things to work on.
    First, you are waaay too reckless on wakeup, Dudleys wakeup options are limited so BLOCK more! you ate to many meaties and that CS fadc since you were pressing buttons on pretty much every wakeup.
    Second thing was the CC, I love it as well but the sad truth it isn't that good, doing EX CC after blockstring/blocked MGB is a very bad habit and can easily cost you the round.
    Third , there was also a random MGB, if it wasn't a input error, don't do that since any half decent player blocks and punishes it badly.

    Thanks for the input, also the ex cc wasn't after a blockstring it was to beat the jump in, followed by ultra which I wasn't able to land. You're right that I rely on it a bit too much though. I will try to use it less , I guess that's some habits I've gotten from playing gouken.

    Any other critiques from whomever on my other matches would be appreciated.
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  • SpinisterSpinister Huk Joined: Posts: 104

    1 match 58 3 seconds in

    1 match 1 hour and 5 minutes in

    2 matches 1 hour and 18 minutes in


    Critique me gentlemen.

    I noticed after each time you focus crumple you always do the c.hk to juggle even when u have spare meter. You need to maximize those opportunities, try doing f+mk, s.hk, ex.mgb or if ur meterless a light uppercut -> l.mgb to push them in the corner. Gotta maximize those free punishes to maximum effect.
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  • ciryciry Gentleman Pugilist Joined: Posts: 166
    Thanks for the input, also the ex cc wasn't after a blockstring it was to beat the jump in, followed by ultra which I wasn't able to land. You're right that I rely on it a bit too much though. I will try to use it less , I guess that's some habits I've gotten from playing gouken.

    Any other critiques from whomever on my other matches would be appreciated.

    I was mainly referring to the EX CC you used after block MGB :)

    and ok ok, I watched the 2 other matches now with a bottle of champagne, I'm just gonna give you some bullet points.

    - too often the opponent jumped over you and you just released the focus and he punished, dash away if the opponen jumps.
    - learn to anti-air U2, many missed opportunities
    - poor punishes(focus -> s.hp xx lp.MGB wtf? use f.mk-> s.hk xx ex.mgb, or even s.hk xx JU/ex.mgb)
    - poor stun punish (TC cancelled to nothing vs cammy, why?)
    - duck on wakeup if he throws a meaty projectile( vs the DJ)
    - ok to use EX CC as anti-air if timed right, but at least once you did random CC vs DJ
    - unconfirmed ex MGB from jump in (reaaaally bad, most can reversal ultra that shit and it HUUUUUURTS)


    I noticed after each time you focus crumple you always do the c.hk to juggle even when u have spare meter. You need to maximize those opportunities, try doing f+mk, s.hk, ex.mgb or if ur meterless a light uppercut -> l.mgb to push them in the corner. Gotta maximize those free punishes to maximum effect.

    I think HP.JU is better option if the opponent is a character that it hits.
    fun fact: Dudley considered such moves as cheese grader square and spatula hexagon as his finisher before settling with corkscrew cross
  • Imm0rt4lImm0rt4l Final Boss Joined: Posts: 826
    Thanks for the tips fellas
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  • Smileymike101Smileymike101 Joined: Posts: 1,139
    Stop telling people to do overhead into st.hk directly and tell them they are noobs just because YOU (whoever does this) have godlike execution.Some players can't plink (and yes, they live with that),other's just don't feel confortably with it.Cr.jab followup especially if the overhead is done upclose, is not bad.I guess you could critique a cr.jab over overhead if it was done from max range and it was clear it was going to wiff.
    Also, overhead ~ jab ~ st.hk xx EX MGB ~ duck upper does WAAAYYY more damage than overhead ~ nothing or overhead ,blocked hk xx ex mgb, and you get reversaled and lose.

    NOT to say it's bad, though.It is indeed very good for your game, but you cannot seriously critique someone for doing overhead ~ cr.jab ~ st.hk.I agree that 2 jabs after overhead are wothy of critique, but one is not.Players don't want to risk such a big opportunity considering Dudley feeds on them and can lose if he misses a combo.
    I guess Marn sucks for doing overhead ~ cr.jab, right?
  • MeLLoWMeLLoW Joined: Posts: 1,843
    Stop telling people to do overhead into st.hk directly and tell them they are noobs just because YOU (whoever does this) have godlike execution.Some players can't plink (and yes, they live with that),other's just don't feel confortably with it.Cr.jab followup especially if the overhead is done upclose, is not bad.I guess you could critique a cr.jab over overhead if it was done from max range and it was clear it was going to wiff.
    Also, overhead ~ jab ~ st.hk xx EX MGB ~ duck upper does WAAAYYY more damage than overhead ~ nothing or overhead ,blocked hk xx ex mgb, and you get reversaled and lose.

    NOT to say it's bad, though.It is indeed very good for your game, but you cannot seriously critique someone for doing overhead ~ cr.jab ~ st.hk.I agree that 2 jabs after overhead are wothy of critique, but one is not.Players don't want to risk such a big opportunity considering Dudley feeds on them and can lose if he misses a combo.
    I guess Marn sucks for doing overhead ~ cr.jab, right?

    lol @ plinkers have no execution whatsoever when it comes to 1 framers. if you plink, you have no execution.
  • ciryciry Gentleman Pugilist Joined: Posts: 166
    lol @ plinkers have no execution whatsoever when it comes to 1 framers. if you plink, you have no execution.

    well, c.lp as a confirm isn't that bad if you know the s.hk will hit(you are close enough), especially online where doing 1f can be a fucking lottery(as stated above). f.hk -> s.hk is optimal, but quit hating if people do c.lp in between, especially online. :(
    fun fact: Dudley considered such moves as cheese grader square and spatula hexagon as his finisher before settling with corkscrew cross
  • SJDeucesSJDeuces Hold that.... Joined: Posts: 317
    dam, keep it classy kids, we got marvel around the corner anyways...
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  • CDB2CDB2 Joined: Posts: 3,207
    dam, keep it classy kids, we got marvel around the corner anyways...

    I cannot wait! Wesker, Magneto, & Thor madness shall be unleashed! Though, I'm still going contiune trying to improve & working on my Dudley. Poor connection be damned, I'm going to keep at with Dudley & Sagat.

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  • SpinisterSpinister Huk Joined: Posts: 104
    im lookin at okami zero and thor myself, doesnt mean i wont be keeping up with my dudley which is think is still pretty shit tier I need to get better with him too ahahah
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  • CDB2CDB2 Joined: Posts: 3,207
    im lookin at okami zero and thor myself, doesnt mean i wont be keeping up with my dudley which is think is still pretty shit tier I need to get better with him too ahahah

    I'm still at inconsisent tier with Dudley. I can get blown up by an A ranked Ryu with, and wreck another one legitily.

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  • DarkyellowDarkyellow Joined: Posts: 1,091
    Ranks, PP, and BP don't mean anything. All those indicate is that the person plays a lot.
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  • CDB2CDB2 Joined: Posts: 3,207
    Ranks, PP, and BP don't mean anything. All those indicate is that the person plays a lot.

    Oh I know, but the dude did play like an A-rank Ryu.

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